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[Music] all right welcome back people of the
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internet to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and this week
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we've got a whole bunch of stuff first of all we want to talk about what happened to apple's repair program along
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with ifixit partnering with some big smartphone companies really interesting and i also have some thoughts and some
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uh some experiences to share with youtube's comments section lately we made a video about it but there's a lot
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going on uh and we also of course have our trivia questions at the end of every episode
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this new little thing we've started that i really enjoy already maybe because i got the first ones right yeah but it's a
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fun time you know it's easy to enjoy it is a good time maybe i go in too but first we gotta talk about this new
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delorean teaser because i saw it here's the thing nostalgia typically doesn't
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hit me it just doesn't i don't know what it is like we go through retro tech and like i see the game boy and it's cool
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but i never use one so it doesn't hit me and like i see these older pieces of tech and people we just had the the
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analog pocket and like everyone loved that thing because it's very similar to the old game boy but it
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just didn't hit me but i saw this uh this delorean eevee teaser are we assuming it's an eevee i
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think we pretty much they said it's an eevee okay so we got a new teaser for the the delorean motor company tweeted
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let's clear things up a bit the next generation of delorean is coming into focus august 18 2022. for more
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information please read the press release here and we got a little teaser image oh yeah it looks like i mean all it is
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is a back left quarter of what looks like a sick looking like lotus shaped sports car we got the tail
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light which is bars i'm such a sucker for bar tail lights i love them they did
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this one really well too because it's like one bar all the way across the top and then a couple little bars to like
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round square out where they get the light i think it looks really good it's got a sleek mirror it's got the arrow i am
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fully going against all of the warnings that i've given people for so long about how like a prototype ev is easy to make
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but they better actually ship the thing i'm in on nostalgia i want the delorean
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eevee i want to talk about that a little later but we'll go through this first there is one more teaser image and
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when i was reading this at first i was very confused because they called them the other teaser image is like almost
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all black but it shows the doors up in the air yeah and they called them gold doors and i had no idea what that meant
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the going yeah but like a seagull flapping oh i'm assuming that's what
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that means that's why they're called that yeah because like yeah if you're unfamiliar with the delorean from back
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to the future which most people know about it's a car from the 80s and it's like
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looks like all metal scrappy like sports car coupe except that the doors
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rather than opening normally and rather than like a lamborghini what do they call those those are suicide i thought
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suicide was when like when i was two and they both opened from the same yeah uh some other birds just like wait they're
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man yeah spider i don't know whatever you've seen the doors you've seen the doors so these literally just like i
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guess kind of like the model x right they open like the model x yeah the hinge is on the roof of the car and the
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they just open up and it looks like a bird flapping its wings yeah that's like kind of what the like
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cool aspect of the car was back then or one of the cool aspects of the car um so there is a teaser image that confirms
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that that is also one of the things um so this is going to be debuting at pebble beach in august i
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believe it's august 18th so the company is actually called dmc and delorean i believe is the model of
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the car but dmc the ceo of dmc has come back
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or has come onto a podcast and like mentioned some extra stuff because like the teasers went kind of wild everybody
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obviously nostalgic wise wanted to know about this and said a couple things that i thought were kind of strange so i wanted to like
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go over them with you okay so the first thing he says is this is it's going to have the obvious benefits of an ev but it's not going to
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be like a hyper car ev with a 0-60 in two seconds but then he also says he wants it to be extremely
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competitive in the market as a driver car and still be in the top five
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i don't know what that means i'm assuming still of like acceleration or
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speed or something like that like but it just feels like a weird way to say like we want this to be a fast ev
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by starting off with saying we're not going to be this which that at that point is a eevee that goes
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zero to 16 under two seconds which the only one we know of right now is the roadster which isn't even out yet so the
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plaid is one yeah okay so like so cool i guess no one was expecting you
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to be that but then to still say we're gonna be in top five so we're assuming under three seconds prior yeah that's
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funny because when you go top five the first thing i hear when i hear that is like oh is this like a sort of a translation error or is he not fluent
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maybe maybe he meant to say like under five seconds or something but if you say top five then i literally go okay well
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then roadster's two seconds we got like a couple going 2.5 seconds then we got
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three seconds so maybe top five lands yet like 3.2 seconds or something i don't know if that's exactly what he meant to say but yeah sure
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i i like the realism i don't you'd go out and say like we're going to make a delorean it's going to go crazy it's going to be the number one eevee ever
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made because then immediately i put my eevee skeptic hat back on where i go oh
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no this is never gonna ship yeah so i like the realism i like the realism and another thing he said um
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that i really liked that he said this is he does not expect this to be an ipad on wheels that he's focused first priority
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is being a driver's car second priority is potentially autonomous then self-driving and stuff like that which
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is like i think more companies should do this i think there's way too many companies who are like here's our first
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tv it's going to have a bunch of these crazy self-driving things and it's going to have like great range and it's going
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to have a fast 0-60 it's like we're going to have everything that evs have worked
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mostly tesla has worked on for 10 years they should run off this car they should tell us the zero to
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88 miles per hour time though they should just tell us marketing material yeah you're very right that's the only
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time that matters in the delorean isn't it i don't care how fast it gets to 60 i want to get to exactly 88 and then every
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single time a car has to um like fight it by saying it has a faster zero to 88 they're basically getting free marketing
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from that yeah yeah that's that's they should be a nice move they should hire you for their marketing team you're welcome delorean and so there is one
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other thing here that i thought was kind of interesting so this the delorean hasn't been around
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for 40 years these people haven't made a car for 40 years so
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they mentioned that they eat this delorean ev is going to kind of be their their launch and their
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kickstarter into making more evs because they said they won't be able to survive on only making a coupe as a coupe sports
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car yep which makes total sense but when i first saw this i was like i actually think this is going to do really well
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because the amount of people who want to buy a delorean are fairly small this feels like it's going to be pretty niche
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but like because of that you're not expecting to hit crazy numbers and stuff like that yeah so i was optimistic about
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this and maybe i'm naive by thinking somebody would want to make a small market car
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because everyone wants to make a big big market company well it kind of reminds me of tesla's master plan exactly which
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is we're going to start by making a really low volume really high cost car which was for them it was the original
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roadster actually which was a sports car it was 100 grand not a lot of sales but they can use the profits from all that
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to develop and then make a slightly higher volume slightly lower cost car for them that was basically model s
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and then a higher volume lower cost car model three so if that's what delorean is admitting or dmc is admitting right
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off the top we're going to make a low volume high cost delorean it's going to be our halo product but then we're going
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to go from there that makes sense to me it makes sense but then i think because of that we need to now think of this as
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how are we viewing dmc delorean as a company and it's
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really strange because it is a legacy car manufacturer but one that hasn't made a car in 40 years
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so i kind of think i don't know enough looking onto this i need to look at it more of like feeling like this is a
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startup yeah it feels like stuff right this feels more startupy and as optimistic as i am about this because
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like let's be real the delorean is like one of the coolest cars ever it is 40 years old whether you've seen back to
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the future or not you've probably seen it in if if you've seen it in real life you've taken a picture of it
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unfortunately i seen one in real life i was pulling in onto the street to go home this is like three or four years
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ago and i saw one come down the hill and drive by and i didn't even really process it i was like oh delorean
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wait what that delorean is driving by me right now i didn't get the chance to take a picture but there is definitely
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that moment that you know that's one of those cars that people go out and restore yeah and like what might bring
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up the restomod f-100 in a little bit but like it's cool to see one actually working and driving and like actually
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being used even though it's such an old car so yeah i do i'm rooting for it because
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that the nostalgia did hit me with this one yeah i did really like it so i i really hope it does well i'll be interested to see where they go after
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that are there like cars after the delorean gonna be as unique and kind of special because that's what this is
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right now it's like iconic it's different or are the cars that they say they say
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they want to do like a sedan or an suv afterwards because that's four-door family car something more people will
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buy than like the niche delorean so are those going to also be special or is
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the delorean going to show off some sort of technology that maybe they have i mean they're claiming they're going to show this off in august
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okay it's not that far away yeah a couple months away it also is probably just prototype probably just one rolling
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prototype classic yep yeah so i think we've gotta throw the skeptic goggles on on this as much as i don't want to
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because i just i want one and i want us to do a video where we somehow have an old one as well that's all i want right now reading this
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that'd be sick rose-colored skeptic glasses yeah that's where i'm at um yeah
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but to segue this over um we have another eevee
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that sort of made some kind of crazy claims oh you're talking about the you and i had a conversation about this
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the other day yeah i kind of want to like just hop back onto it for a quick minute um so we all know toyota's
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getting into the ev market the bz4x is coming out i actually think i just saw a tweet that austin evans has one or is
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doing a review on one right now or something so i'm really excited to see that um but lexus part of toyota they
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just announced their first ev for april 20th um it's gonna be called the rz450e we have a few teaser images and
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we have a couple old prototype images so we kind of have an idea of what it looks like yeah the one that's making all the
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headlines is the shot of the steering wheel which is it apparently has an optional yoke you can decide to get a
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yolk with this yeah this is also another thing the some of the articles you read about it all were mentioning the yolk but there's
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like this little little tidbit that lexus threw in there at the end that i feel like caught our
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eyes rather than the yolk yeah first off the suv looks nice it looks like a lexus
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it'll probably do great because lexus does great toyota sells a bunch of cars if as long as their eevee stuff seems to
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be doing well i bet it'll do great yeah but then they also just threw out there toyota also noted that they plan to
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create a lexus sports car with a range of 434 miles and be able to accelerate zero to 60 in under two seconds
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that's it what just just toss that out there what hold on okay that's when i was like all right
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skeptic cat right back on because yes i know uh i know the current car landscape
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decently well lexus has the lfa like they have some performance cars but they
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are not the top of the line period like they're nice but they're not like bleeding edge performance today
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zero to 60 in under two seconds is literally world class top of the line
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so they're not saying when they're going to have a car that also has 434 miles of
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range and zero to 16 under two seconds but i think achieving that anytime in the next five years would be
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unbelievable for them i don't think it would zero chance that happens in the next five years yeah i think yeah what
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are they saying they didn't say anything i think it's just a um so they're saying
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eventually someday yeah they're making a promise but not really pretty much
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so and i think this is where we i don't say butted heads but like i will agree with you
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this is really weird to just toss out there yeah i think this is a but i also
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think these are numbers that almost any ev manufacturer in the next 25 years we'll be able to hit right
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right because of the way electric works yeah so like if we drew a curve of like the average uh
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acceleration for the price yeah it kind of goes like this and it evens out right now for gas cars you can get a five
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second car you can get a four second car but for zero to sixty you can get as low as like 2.3 seconds and then they all
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kind of flatten out you can spend three million dollars and it's still going 2.3 seconds but if you draw a new curve for
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electric cars it goes faster for lower price right so as we draw this curve we're going wow
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you can get a three second car you can get a 2.5 second car you can get a truck that goes three seconds a truck that
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goes the hummer it goes three seconds right but then as we keep going i think we might disagree on the the asymptote
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of that curve does it just keep going up are we going to get 1.4 second cars everywhere i think we both wound up
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agreeing that physics is what kills this eventually like tires road conditions like air like some of that stuff is
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what's gonna kill it um if you think about it though gas cars have spent how many years trying to get to 2.3 tesla's
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been around for 10 years and they're under two already so like they're unlocking something crazy with
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electric motors um i don't i don't even think toyota gets this in the next 10 years yeah but
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i think there's there's obviously a possibility of this happening i don't think it's that crazy i think it's really weird to
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throw those numbers out there i i definitely think it's odd but yeah i i guess the way i look at like performance
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for these cars especially if we're just looking at straight line zero to 60s it's like typically this would be uh limited by
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power gear ratio and tires and when we got really really good electric motors
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like powerful like you have triple motors in these cars now quad motors and so they have all the power in the world
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and one extremely fast gear and so the limiting factor immediately became tires
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yeah and all of these cars with as much power as you give them will spin their tires if you try to go
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faster or accelerate harder and so then i'm looking at tire technology and like
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rubber compounds and how they've gotten better over the years and that curve looks nothing like the acceleration curve yeah but if we're talking under
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two seconds we have a car that does it already right we have a car that does it currently and it is uh under perfect conditions on a prepped
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drag strip with the top of the line tire which i'm assuming that's what they're every car company who's gonna try and
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hit that number is going to do something like this you know uh yeah literally so i guess we're gonna give lexus credit
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for they will eventually have someday oh i don't need to give them credit i just think that not just because it's lexus
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or toyota whatever i just it's their bet on evs becoming a
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commodity at that level yeah and i think like because in 25 years the and the
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motors and electricity and batteries and stuff we're seeing in cars right now we're probably going to be making fun of about how terrible they were because of
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just the innovation that we're seeing we're going to look back at cars with 250 miles and think that was why i would anyone cannot believe why didn't you
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ride a bicycle yeah 250 miles is crazy i think what to me a lot of this boils
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down to is i'm kind of terrified at how fast cars are going to be on the road in the next
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25 years when the majority of cars can do zero to 60 in even under three
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seconds all of them like let's not even go the two seconds that's yeah so is that is that the future where
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like all these motors all these materials get so good and so cheap with scale that
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like every car anyone can buy will do 2.5 seconds 0 to 60. is that real
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i guess maybe i think that's real ah it's so i guess the um
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the counterpoint to that is what is and we've talked about this before what will prevail
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specs pure driving specs or autonomous automatic autonomy
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uh i think it's a it's a toss up because it's a general it's a generational thing to me i think most people who drive cars
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today aren't really too concerned about their car eventually becoming a robo taxi or
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driving them everywhere but i think many younger people are very open to like autonomous driving and totally
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comfortable i would give up all the funds of driving to be able to sleep in my car on my commute
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yeah i think you'll see a lot more younger people fall in that category and a lot older people the people 30 but the
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people with the buying power buying all these cars are typically like yeah i want a driver's car i think it also
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might it could even potentially be another generation because i think we're way farther from like full-blown robo
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taxi than we thought our worst yeah just by elon saying next year every year for the last 10 years yeah so um no
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i think it's interesting these kind of random tidbit they threw in there i'm rooting for i'm rooting for more good eevee options so i think the sooner
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lexus is able to deliver i'm doing air quotes audio listeners the better but
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that might not be for a while i'm excited for two toyota in general just because of their sheer volume and scale
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like compared to everyone else i think the sooner they jump on this the sooner the better it is for everybody um but
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yeah what happens first the lexus sub 2 second zero to 60 car or the road
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circle or the road the roadster will come out before that that's that might be the only thing i
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can solidify we just got another tesla event and elon went on stage again and said next year again
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so you said that yeah yeah i watched the live stream of the they did the tesla uh texas gigafactory grand opening and
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they had the cyber truck on stage naturally and they said we're going to start production of this next year and i
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i replayed to specifically hear his language he said and then roadster so he
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didn't say roadster will also be 2023 but he said yeah we're going to start cyber truck production next year and
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then roadster okay and then so that's that promise sounds about as
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good as this we'll have a four hundred mile two seconds that's vague it's gonna be wow also can
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i quickly say about that cyber truck event i feel like tesla fans
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made that event seem worse than it was because everyone in tesla wants some grand scale event every time something
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happens and it was just opening a new gigafactory like you're allowed to have fun events to open a milestone of
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something without it being a huge announcement to me it made me i don't invest in any companies that i cover but
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watching that event i was like oh i should buy tesla stock wow like they they talked about scale they talked
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about leveling up how many gigafactories are we gonna have five years from now they're going to start having
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uh the ability to bring prices down because it's more economical to just make the car in the country where it will be delivered instead of shipping
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them all this stuff they talked a big talk but yeah there was no new products to announce or anything like that and
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that's totally fine companies are allowed to do that also there's not financial advice just as you mentioned stock okay
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trivia yeah let's do a trivia and then add break trivia i'm ready so this episode
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we've been talking about the delorean yep the original delorean from back to the
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future that was released in 1985 could famously travel through time what is the name of the fictional car
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part that made time travel possible i almost said it out loud we're waiting till the end yes
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all right welcome back let's talk about the state of right to repair
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we got a little bit of an update so you remember back in november
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when apple announced their self-service repair program they talked about making all these kits for you to be able to do
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what was it screen battery camera or something like that i forget
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if they said exactly what it was but it was like some i can officially parts yeah official parts screen and battery
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are usually the main things i'm still not sure about camera that seems really complicated sort of like the full module high level stuff we haven't heard a lot
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about that since then we were very excited it seemed like a win for right to repair but if you sort of follow up on that it
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seems like it hasn't really made a whole lot of progress maybe yeah and there's a couple things that made us think about
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this one is brandon just cracked the back of his iphone this was a great and then what happened and then he asked them about the self-service repair and
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the person at the store had no idea what he was talking about it's an anecdote but it's kind of a it's very indicator
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but yes um strange and then we also have seen recently
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in other news on the other side of the stage um that google and samsung have partnered with ifixit recently to start
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offering ways to repair your phone i thought that was really interesting i like i fix it i love ifixit and what they do what
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they've already done is they've had like a certain set of like you can buy a tool set and you can buy the the certain like
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a penelope or whatever other pen to something screws to be able to take apart whatever phone you have you know
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you pry the screen off get the glue open but they're gonna actually partner with ifixit to offer kits with official parts
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of older devices so you can buy the kit for your phone and repair whatever is
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broken pretty cool uh what do we see it's going to be down to
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google offering as old as pixel 2 parts that i love yeah google just jumped on
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samsung jumped on already google is going to go down to the pixel 2. samsung only says around s20 um
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we also have a little view into what this might entail because they weren't i don't know if they were official parts but i looked on ifixit's
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website and they actually have old s8 battery kits um or screen kits i forget and um it's kind of neat because the
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ifixit kit we have is they're like full-blown like you can fix almost anything with this
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um their old kits for the s8 it came with the couple just the tools you
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needed for that specific repair so you're not spending a bunch of extra money you're getting the part and you're getting the pieces you need and then
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what i fix it is is like a giant free manual repair uh instructions i guess
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and like videos and how to be able to do it to make you feel comfortable being able to do it yeah so they're really
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awesome with that um it seems like we're not totally sure what we're gonna be able to fix between
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both of them um samsung apparently glues their batteries to screens so that's
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kind of weird um so people think if you have to
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replace one you're going to have to replace both because of that or that the part will most likely include
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a battery glued to a screen okay so somehow you manage to you know have a really
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bad battery and then you also break the screen you're in luck that's probably gonna be way easier to uh economically
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repair yeah but it's going to probably cost more interesting and then for pixel it looks like we have like battery and
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screens i mean i think most of these things are what we would want to fix at home yeah typically
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you don't do the most complex part repairs solo
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but the simpler ones you don't want to have to rely on like oh i need to send my phone away for two weeks while
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someone just fixes a crack screen like i can do that myself so offering the simple ones is a good step if i do crack
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my screen i do have a bit of a crack on my i don't have it here the pixel 6 pro um it's not a crack actually it's a deep
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scratch that is dangerously close to being a crack but it's a deep scratch right now so i'm
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keeping an eye on it but that's the type of thing you want to be able to do yourself well so and batteries and
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screens are clearly the most common as well so it's lucky that those are the ones um they did say that they won't be
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offering like full-blown boards to uh change things in there which yeah
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that's not something we're gonna really be expecting because those are super complicated and
00:26:12
obviously not as it's hard to even diagnose whether that's the issue with the phone or not sure where a screen is
00:26:17
obviously a broken screen and a battery is an issue with turning it on or holding a charge so that's much easier
00:26:22
and on top of this microsoft and valve are also apparently in
00:26:28
working with ifixit to offer spare parts as well for things like the steam deck which we just covered which is awesome
00:26:33
and steem has been really good about talking about how like this will be repairable this will be something that
00:26:39
you can dive into and get into the inners of it and then surface laptops as well
00:26:45
um nice yeah i think there's a story i had a tidbit about this in the review but apparently the steam deck if you open it
00:26:52
up i mean there's it's weighted pretty well and they fill up like the grips with a lot of stuff but there's enough room
00:26:58
in one of the grips to fit an entire air tag i did see that actually yeah you can
00:27:04
open it up put an air tag in there and close it and use it like normal it might
00:27:09
feel a little off balance by the weight of an air tag not so bad
00:27:14
but that is your loss and found feature if you happen to want to do that i'm
00:27:20
rant side here now because we're but like i'm so excited for what people are going to do with the steam deck i think
00:27:25
we had a ton of fun with it but neither of us are really handheld gamers yeah so like i don't think we got to even get
00:27:32
close to seeing what people are going to unlock in like two years the modding community behind this thing especially
00:27:38
when the dock comes out yeah is gonna be really really already getting started i still wish the usb-c port was on the
00:27:44
bottom but i get because you've seen the dock with the renders are yeah it's just going to be like a cable up to the top
00:27:50
to plug it in and then you dock it whatever but yes there's a stand with a fancy right angle cable exactly but it's
00:27:56
got a lot you're right it's got a lot going for it right at the beginning already sort of what i talked about at the end of the video but yeah the steam
00:28:02
deck has a future ahead of it which is really exciting for that yeah um yeah right to repair is sort of on the like
00:28:09
come up all the time i feel like we always have something new we're looking forward to seeing from some company uh
00:28:16
but yeah those two specifically with google and samsung i really like and i
00:28:21
hope i actually get to like use one i i mean i it's really awesome we've also talked
00:28:27
about an idea for like a studio channel video where we potentially like race to fix a phone because i don't think any of us have fully like replaced the screen
00:28:34
or a battery right it's tough to get well i have uh only only for a video but yes like the when
00:28:40
we took about we took apart the red iphone put it back together to work though it works yes
00:28:46
sorry uh interrupt on here one of the things they will also include is the the
00:28:52
like oem rubber gaskets for waterproofing and stuff like that which is huge because
00:28:57
when you do stuff by yourself without oem parts that's basically you're basically turning your phone into not
00:29:02
being ip rated unless you're very good at it and they even some of the companies even said like you should
00:29:08
probably replace those every couple years because they get worn out so that's also really really cool
00:29:13
um we have talked about right to repair in the past and i think a couple things
00:29:19
actually moving forward in terms of law making is what might be finally pushing this we saw the we talked about repairability
00:29:25
scores in france that's a really big thing and they actually did a report out there that said like
00:29:31
60 to 80 percent of people if they saw repairability scores they would pick the
00:29:36
phone whether they were part of that phone ecosystem or not would pick the one with the better
00:29:42
repair abilities so all other things equal they'd pick the phone with the better repairability score because
00:29:47
that's not always true about like you can't always apples to apple's phones like that i think it was a little better
00:29:52
than that i think it was the the survey question was if you had been using one phone for a long time but
00:30:00
in the option of picking a new phone you saw the better repairability score than the phone you were used to they would
00:30:05
pick the one with the better repairability score sure so still probably similar price ranges and stuff like that there's obviously reasons to
00:30:11
potentially buy something yeah just because i remember you know when i talked about repairability like we noticed that the more repairable
00:30:17
something is it's built different like you can get you can go all the way the top 10 out of 10 and you get a fair
00:30:22
phone but are people going to go to the 10 out of 10 and get a fair phone or are they going to go to the 5 out of 10 and get something that they like yeah or so
00:30:29
that's there's there's all sorts of sliders to play with for these companies making phones but i like that that's
00:30:34
being highlighted and i think the us is also they've been recently adding some bills that have right to repair things
00:30:40
inside of them because we also uh here have a lot of stuff with like tractors and stuff as well and a lot of
00:30:46
fights for right to repair there so i'm sure some of these companies are starting to see the writing on the wall that this might
00:30:52
happen so get ahead of the game while you can yeah good for all of us um great for ifixit
00:30:58
not because they're partnering but just because they've been fighting for this for so does i fix it need competition i mean i love i fix it but
00:31:05
every everyone needs competition right maybe yeah everyone needs competition i wonder if there is
00:31:11
some i'm more giving them credit because they've been fighting this fight for a really absolutely really long time
00:31:16
absolutely and we appreciate that sick all right i think we've got one more trivia question before we hit
00:31:22
another break and then we'll talk about youtube comments okay so we've been talking about apple samsung google everything like that
00:31:30
um we know steve jobs founded apple and larry page and sergey brin founded
00:31:35
google but who founded samsung who founded samsung
00:31:41
think on it i will think about that we'll be right back
00:31:55
all right we're back and we're back on youtube to talk about youtube comments
00:32:01
so i we've talked about this for a while inevitably with like tweets and other
00:32:07
random videos and people have talked about it between creators before but youtube's comments
00:32:13
go through like this ebb and flow of like lots of spam not that much bam lots of spam lots of not not that much spam
00:32:20
and basically what that comes down to is there is always going to be bad actors on youtube
00:32:27
that are going to try to use the youtube comments or use youtube in some way to scam people to go try to deceive
00:32:35
people into going to telegram or whatsapp or like leaving the site and getting money from these people etc
00:32:41
there's always going to be those people and so youtube's always chasing those people around the site adding rules uh
00:32:46
adjusting auto moderation things like that to try to hide those comments and should try to make it harder for bad
00:32:52
actors to operate but if you're chasing you're always going to have them find something new before you catch it yeah and it feels
00:32:58
like the latest wave has been like five months of
00:33:04
lots and lots of comments of specifically it'll be a bot this is what
00:33:09
i've noticed on my own channel i talked about this in the video on the main channel but it'll be a bot that has my profile picture and then has a name
00:33:16
that says like marquez brownlee messaged me on telegram here
00:33:21
and maybe even a number and and then it'll say like congrats you're the winner of the giveaway or something
00:33:27
like that and you know to me that that's obviously a scam like why would you click that yeah that's dumb
00:33:34
but i started getting emails from people who'd send me a screenshot saying hey is this you
00:33:40
and i'd be like no that's you can ignore that it's spam and then i get a couple more emails saying hey is this you i
00:33:45
message them it says it's you i'm like no it's not and then more and more emails from people saying hey
00:33:50
i sent the payment am i going to get the thing hey this is you is this you and it would get to the
00:33:56
point where like i think maybe two three weeks ago it was like i'd wake up and my inbox would have like seven eight nine
00:34:02
new emails from people who sent money to people i got screenshots of conversations and things like that and
00:34:09
so you know not that there was like a certain tipping point but i just made a video talking about it because this is
00:34:14
clearly something that we need to see a youtube end fix for i say youtube and fix because we have
00:34:22
other tools that have been made by people uh theo joe being the primary example of he made a tool that will
00:34:28
allow a creator to run a script that will automatically delete a bunch of comments it'll actually detect much
00:34:35
better than youtube's own system a bunch of these specific types of spams um on my latest video if you ran the
00:34:42
tool there was like 40 accounts that left like 1700 comments 30 of the comments it
00:34:49
was 30 of the total comments on the video 6 000 total comments on this video and it was just covered because they
00:34:54
just go to the latest comments and just reply to every single one with a different account and they've gotten
00:35:00
around the latest tools which would be like if you hide a user from channel that will automatically remove all of
00:35:06
that user's comments from the channel but they just make so many different accounts that you haven't hidden any of
00:35:11
the other messages so all that to say uh
00:35:17
you know i've had conversations with youtube plenty of times and i've had conversations with them since then they've been working on this
00:35:24
um and since that video they've actually rolled out a new tool which is a little check box you can enable on your videos
00:35:30
which i like when it's a user side thing i don't want it to just be like a huge youtube
00:35:35
update rolls out that you have no control over i can check this box that says increase strictness
00:35:41
yeah it's the sub it's like a sub box to the um to the auto moderation already
00:35:46
they're auto moderation yeah yes so if i feel like this is something that's happening on my on my videos which it is
00:35:52
on my latest video i enabled this box and i clicked increase strictness yeah seems like this should solve or help the
00:35:59
problem um we did upload a video as of our recording maybe like 15 hours ago or
00:36:05
something like that so i've been going back through and i'm still seeing a lot of these bot comments i haven't
00:36:12
gotten as many emails i don't think i've gotten any since the new video yeah but i do still see a lot of these
00:36:18
comments and so we'll see over time if this new stricter auto mod actually makes a difference
00:36:24
[Music] generally like i like to see that youtube is actually responsive to this stuff it just seemed like this one took
00:36:31
first this and you say that you just saw this on your channel but like we've seen around linus made a video on
00:36:37
this this is not just a just our channel thing this is all over youtube i started
00:36:42
seeing a bunch of different creators that i do james hoffman was saying it he's not in tech at all i think mr beast
00:36:49
has ones who are just like offering money and they're they're even going on other channels channels that are like
00:36:55
semi-related to mr beast or that mrb's viewers might watch and being mr beast i think
00:37:00
i had someone email us saying they got a you comment on somebody else's tech channel yeah so like it's
00:37:07
happening absolutely everywhere um and it's it's really a bummer to see it
00:37:12
happen um i didn't see as many on this latest video when i checked comments this morning
00:37:17
um so maybe it's helping a little bit so now it's not straight up deleting them it's holding them in the like
00:37:23
potentially inappropriate comments which means they don't show up on the channel yes which is the most important thing
00:37:28
yeah yeah i think my the way i kind of thought about this was like anytime i you know i talk about this stuff i like
00:37:34
hear from youtube about how they're approaching the problem and i can't even shed too much light on it obviously when they're chasing bad actors they need to
00:37:40
keep their methods confidential otherwise bad actors can see the way they're being chased and adapt
00:37:46
but when i look at youtube comments the thing that i noticed about this particular
00:37:51
version of the spam is they find like this this nice like
00:37:57
middle zone of timing where they can get away with a lot of comments so
00:38:02
when i first upload a video and the first hour has 1200 comments or something like that i'm hanging out in
00:38:08
the comments i'm replying i'm talking to people liking things pinning things replying and all that stuff and so i'm
00:38:14
in the comments section and people expect to see me and if there's any sort of spam it's quickly either
00:38:19
blocked by a bunch of people because they'll report it and there's a lot of activity or i'll see it and i'll remove it
00:38:25
then in the long long tail this is on the total opposite end of like a five day old video
00:38:31
it there's not enough activity for those bots leaving all those comments to actually get any sort of roi maybe some
00:38:38
people have notifications on and they'll see it and they'll think it's me but like why why would i be replying on a five day old video
00:38:45
so what these bots do is they find this nice little goldilocks zone of like a 12 hour to 36 hour old video
00:38:53
where it's still getting a fair amount of activity but it's no longer me in the comments the whole time like
00:38:59
it would be if it was brand new and they've swarmed in and replaced what looks like would be me in the comments
00:39:05
section and are just replying to everyone so there's a good amount of activity still but not enough for people
00:39:10
to be like flagging it and getting them removed and there is enough for them to get a lot of engagement and feedback and
00:39:18
get people to fall for it to feel believable that you could still be in the comments i could still be on a 36 hour old video telling yeah i mean it
00:39:24
could be like the next day you're checking something like that um yeah and one other thing that they did do which
00:39:30
you mentioned um they added the being able to ban a whole channel from all of your videos the
00:39:36
issue with that is when you look at theo joe's like when you ran the script on our thing it's like 40 plus accounts and
00:39:42
all of them can just make new accounts so it kind of feels like here's a way of doing it but you almost have to have
00:39:48
someone full-time on your videos finding these channels every single time and banning them manually only for them to
00:39:54
probably come back that's like hours and hours of work to be able to stop it before they launched before they
00:40:00
adjusted that feature to actually hide all previous activity i would have had to have manually removed 2 000 comments
00:40:06
which is never gonna happen now with this with the new tool at least it will remove all activity from one
00:40:12
account i think the top one left 110 comments on one video how that doesn't get picked up as spam i don't know but
00:40:19
you could at least go through and start to pick off like this one left 50 comments remove all of them this one
00:40:25
left 40 comments remove all of them this one left 90 comments remove all of them and you can make a little bit more of a
00:40:30
dent that way but it's just it's so much work to do that that you just want youtube's auto moderation to take care
00:40:36
of it i think in an ideal world the increased strictness and auto moderation
00:40:41
uh can take care of all these very obvious to my eye spam accounts yeah but
00:40:47
the feature i suggested which would be don't let people use the word telegram
00:40:53
in their username or just let me block my own name from usernames on my channel
00:40:58
would take a long time to implement and it's just not an option right now so we are hoping
00:41:04
that this increased strictness tool which i think can also evolve over time can eventually make a dent in the spam
00:41:10
i'm keeping an eye on it because i'm in the comments section all the time i'm seeing this stuff happening in real time
00:41:15
but so far no emails of people getting tricked so far so far yeah and like
00:41:20
in case you haven't heard this before don't respond if it doesn't have a verified
00:41:26
check mark like we will only ever contact you through verified means it's usually going to be a twitter dm
00:41:32
instagram dm or an email from our official mkbhd email account like those are the only
00:41:37
ways we're never going to contact you on a text message or telegram or whatsapp yeah like
00:41:42
sorry just keep an eye on that out on that it's a the smart thing to do on the internet
00:41:48
if you think something might be a scam it's a scam that's my what i always think pretty good rule of thumb yeah
00:41:54
it's probably a scam that was the thing is like i'm getting all these emails from people who are like hey this seems a little suspicious that
00:42:00
you're on telegram and like i just figured i'd send this to your official email imagine how many people didn't get
00:42:06
that far yeah like the people who thought enough to send me an email probably didn't get scammed or if they
00:42:12
did they at least thought about this is probably a scam there's lots of people who most likely didn't get that far and
00:42:18
just thought the whole time without ever emailing me that they're gonna get a prize if they just send 150 shipping fee
00:42:24
to some random telegram account it's it's really unfortunate it sounds really dumb to fall for but like
00:42:31
one thing we kind of thought it they were targeting us for was because we were in the middle of a giveaway as well
00:42:37
right right but i even see it on like a bunch of it wasn't even because of that it just happened to coincide with it really well but like
00:42:44
if you're just getting a a random dm or message from something that looks legit and
00:42:50
you know you don't have the means to be able to get a new iphone or whatever and it pops up
00:42:55
you're enthusiastic about it and you can really easily be blinded by that and it's a shame but yeah there's scammers
00:43:01
out there because it works yeah i've seen this on mr mobile's channel i've seen this on jerry everything's channel
00:43:07
i've seen this on i think danny winget's channel i've seen this on linus's channel i've seen this obviously
00:43:12
on jimmy's channel and just a bunch of channels in between even just this specific version of like
00:43:18
impersonating you and getting you on telegram i've seen that one on all these channels and then there's like the classic other ones that are like don't
00:43:24
click my profile and it's just some lewd picture or just like copying and pasting
00:43:29
a previously high upvoted comment and then bot farming that one to be highly uploaded so it looks legit
00:43:35
all that stuff we've seen before but like this the video that i posted was because of this new wave of impersonating us which
00:43:41
i think should be relatively easy to kill but the point is youtube's hopefully working on it
00:43:48
hopefully hopefully hopefully steps forward yeah verified check marks actually mean something though don't for
00:43:54
sure don't ignore them yeah yeah we'll keep an eye on that but i think this is probably the point
00:44:00
at the end of the podcast where we can uh attempt to answer the trivia questions
00:44:06
from the beginning to outbreak you're undefeated you got to keep it going well i'm 2-0 so no you know i'll try to i'll
00:44:13
try to keep the favor so we'll try to keep it high uh let's revisit those adam which
00:44:19
which are we doing first this was uh the delorean right first yeah so the first question back to the
00:44:26
future was released in 1985 the delorean in that movie could famously travel through time what is the name of the
00:44:32
fictional car part that made that that made time travel possible right i'm gonna let you i know this yeah i'm gonna
00:44:39
let you go though to make sure that people believe you're still on a streak because that's the flux capacitor ding
00:44:45
ding ding is that correct yep okay and now there's a number here i want to because there's a number i i associate with this
00:44:52
and i believe it's the power needed for the flux capacitor right 1.91 gigawatts gigawatts gigawatts or
00:45:00
gigawatts it's probably giga is 91 the correct number no 1.9 poop 141 close
00:45:08
one one something one right one point two one two one one point two one gigawatts wow needed for the flux
00:45:16
capacity there's just lines in the movie that just like you can't forget them like the image is seared in my head you
00:45:21
can forget some of them well i mean the flex capacitor part is like seared for sure that's hilarious like i said the new
00:45:27
delorean needs to have some sort of a reference capacity reference to it there's no way it doesn't yeah okay yeah
00:45:34
next one that i have no idea about andrew you're to be clear your answer for that was also flux capacity yeah yeah yeah
00:45:41
yeah we're just trusting that he knew it yeah yeah i don't have a streak to defend yeah i could just stop it well it's
00:45:47
about to end so next question we know steve jobs and wozniak and the third guy
00:45:53
anonymous guy yeah founded apple and larry page and sergey brim founded
00:45:59
google but who founded samsung samsung so i mean samsung is a korean company right
00:46:06
i assume that's where it was founded that would be my assumption i assume um
00:46:12
but all i really know as far as like this is the funny thing we see who goes on stage on uh for like samsung events
00:46:19
and i those are the ceo and like the chief of marketing and i don't know if those are founders like the people who
00:46:24
go on stage now for apple aren't samsung's been around for long enough that i would kind of guess probably not
00:46:29
anymore people people treat dj co like like a legend but i don't know if he's a founder but that's the only person i can
00:46:35
think i mean that that's probably as good of a guess as we're gonna i can't think of anyone else
00:46:40
so uh and but that's just mobile though there's samsung is huge samsung has tvs
00:46:47
screens they make everything i'm gonna guess it was bixby
00:46:53
uh i could give you a hint that's not really a hint because it's not going to help go for it it was founded in 1938
00:46:59
yeah oh holy a long time ago so it's not dj coke
00:47:05
um dang 1938 that's like when you ask like would you tell me what they're i'm just
00:47:11
interested now do you know what their first product was oh i could find out i don't know i'm really cause i just i know samsung makes
00:47:18
everything but in our niche we're just so focused on phone so when i think of samsung i think a phone first
00:47:24
yeah even though i also have a samsung television there's samsung washing machines and refrigerators and
00:47:30
sound bars and everything not smart speakers unfortunately i'm
00:47:35
stalling but i had found out when shooting retro tech that nintendo was a card company and started in 1889
00:47:44
which was like the name nintendo yeah oh yeah way before the game boy they made some old stuff so that was
00:47:51
now you know yeah it is samsung began as a grocery store [Laughter]
00:47:59
this is what i mean by the make everything okay so really was it sounds like electronics started in
00:48:06
1969 according to this and their first product was black and white televisions
00:48:11
okay that was something that's a little more than that they're connected the grocery store is connected that's 30 years apart though
00:48:17
samsung began as grocery store trading and exporting goods produced in and around the city it sold dried korean
00:48:22
fish and vegetables as well as its own noodles i'm going to guess his name was sam
00:48:28
i like picks final answer forgive my pronunciation libyan chool was the founder ah okay
00:48:35
learned something new every day it was floating around there i just couldn't quite give you guys a hard one are they still
00:48:41
around like influencing samsung at all no no no grocery store is happening still samsung so i'm assuming did they
00:48:48
start selling tvs in the grocery store and then it turned into an electronics section and then that's that's a that's a very reasonable
00:48:55
evolution and i guarantee that's not how it went yeah probably there's a yeah samsung currently makes everything
00:49:02
there's a whole a whole history i'm looking at this article now they were involved in life insurance there's a
00:49:08
whole bunch of stuff they were everywhere wow awesome samsung continuing the trend of
00:49:14
being part of basically everything yeah all right i'm at 75 but i feel pretty
00:49:19
good about my three out of four yeah three out of four i'm one for four or so not fast if you even count i count i'll
00:49:25
count it okay i'll count it all right well that's been it for this week uh stay tuned next week we'll probably have a whole bunch more
00:49:31
i guess well i don't want to tease it too much but we got some interesting stuff planned so definitely stay tuned here and we'll be
00:49:37
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