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[Music] all right welcome back people of the internet to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and this week
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we've got a whole bunch of stuff first of all we want to talk about what happened to apple's repair program along
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with ifixit partnering with some big smartphone companies really interesting and i also have some thoughts and some
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uh some experiences to share with youtube's comments section lately we made a video about it but there's a lot
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going on uh and we also of course have our trivia questions at the end of every episode
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this new little thing we've started that i really enjoy already maybe because i got the first ones right yeah but it's a
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fun time you know it's easy to enjoy it is a good time maybe i go in too but first we gotta talk about this new
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delorean teaser because i saw it here's the thing nostalgia typically doesn't hit me it just doesn't i don't know what it is like we go through retro tech and like i see the game boy and it's cool
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but i never use one so it doesn't hit me and like i see these older pieces of tech and people we just had the the
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analog pocket and like everyone loved that thing because it's very similar to the old game boy but it
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just didn't hit me but i saw this uh this delorean eevee teaser are we assuming it's an eevee i
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think we pretty much they said it's an eevee okay so we got a new teaser for the the delorean motor company tweeted
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let's clear things up a bit the next generation of delorean is coming into focus august 18 2022. for more
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information please read the press release here and we got a little teaser image oh yeah it looks like i mean all it is
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is a back left quarter of what looks like a sick looking like lotus shaped sports car we got the tail
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light which is bars i'm such a sucker for bar tail lights i love them they did this one really well too because it's like one bar all the way across the top and then a couple little bars to like
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round square out where they get the light i think it looks really good it's got a sleek mirror it's got the arrow i am
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fully going against all of the warnings that i've given people for so long about how like a prototype ev is easy to make
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but they better actually ship the thing i'm in on nostalgia i want the delorean eevee i want to talk about that a little later but we'll go through this first there is one more teaser image and
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when i was reading this at first i was very confused because they called them the other teaser image is like almost
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all black but it shows the doors up in the air yeah and they called them gold doors and i had no idea what that meant
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the going yeah but like a seagull flapping oh i'm assuming that's what that means that's why they're called that yeah because like yeah if you're unfamiliar with the delorean from back
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to the future which most people know about it's a car from the 80s and it's like
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looks like all metal scrappy like sports car coupe except that the doors rather than opening normally and rather than like a lamborghini what do they call those those are suicide i thought
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suicide was when like when i was two and they both opened from the same yeah uh some other birds just like wait they're
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man yeah spider i don't know whatever you've seen the doors you've seen the doors so these literally just like i
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guess kind of like the model x right they open like the model x yeah the hinge is on the roof of the car and the
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they just open up and it looks like a bird flapping its wings yeah that's like kind of what the like
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cool aspect of the car was back then or one of the cool aspects of the car um so there is a teaser image that confirms
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that that is also one of the things um so this is going to be debuting at pebble beach in august i
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believe it's august 18th so the company is actually called dmc and delorean i believe is the model of
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the car but dmc the ceo of dmc has come back or has come onto a podcast and like mentioned some extra stuff because like the teasers went kind of wild everybody
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obviously nostalgic wise wanted to know about this and said a couple things that i thought were kind of strange so i wanted to like
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go over them with you okay so the first thing he says is this is it's going to have the obvious benefits of an ev but it's not going to
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be like a hyper car ev with a 0-60 in two seconds but then he also says he wants it to be extremely
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competitive in the market as a driver car and still be in the top five i don't know what that means i'm assuming still of like acceleration or
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speed or something like that like but it just feels like a weird way to say like we want this to be a fast ev
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by starting off with saying we're not going to be this which that at that point is a eevee that goes
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zero to 16 under two seconds which the only one we know of right now is the roadster which isn't even out yet so the
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plaid is one yeah okay so like so cool i guess no one was expecting you to be that but then to still say we're gonna be in top five so we're assuming under three seconds prior yeah that's
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funny because when you go top five the first thing i hear when i hear that is like oh is this like a sort of a translation error or is he not fluent
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maybe maybe he meant to say like under five seconds or something but if you say top five then i literally go okay well
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then roadster's two seconds we got like a couple going 2.5 seconds then we got three seconds so maybe top five lands yet like 3.2 seconds or something i don't know if that's exactly what he meant to say but yeah sure
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i i like the realism i don't you'd go out and say like we're going to make a delorean it's going to go crazy it's going to be the number one eevee ever
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made because then immediately i put my eevee skeptic hat back on where i go oh no this is never gonna ship yeah so i like the realism i like the realism and another thing he said um
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that i really liked that he said this is he does not expect this to be an ipad on wheels that he's focused first priority
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is being a driver's car second priority is potentially autonomous then self-driving and stuff like that which
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is like i think more companies should do this i think there's way too many companies who are like here's our first
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tv it's going to have a bunch of these crazy self-driving things and it's going to have like great range and it's going
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to have a fast 0-60 it's like we're going to have everything that evs have worked
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mostly tesla has worked on for 10 years they should run off this car they should tell us the zero to
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88 miles per hour time though they should just tell us marketing material yeah you're very right that's the only
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time that matters in the delorean isn't it i don't care how fast it gets to 60 i want to get to exactly 88 and then every
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single time a car has to um like fight it by saying it has a faster zero to 88 they're basically getting free marketing
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from that yeah yeah that's that's they should be a nice move they should hire you for their marketing team you're welcome delorean and so there is one
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other thing here that i thought was kind of interesting so this the delorean hasn't been around
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for 40 years these people haven't made a car for 40 years so they mentioned that they eat this delorean ev is going to kind of be their their launch and their
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kickstarter into making more evs because they said they won't be able to survive on only making a coupe as a coupe sports
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car yep which makes total sense but when i first saw this i was like i actually think this is going to do really well
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because the amount of people who want to buy a delorean are fairly small this feels like it's going to be pretty niche
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but like because of that you're not expecting to hit crazy numbers and stuff like that yeah so i was optimistic about
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this and maybe i'm naive by thinking somebody would want to make a small market car
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because everyone wants to make a big big market company well it kind of reminds me of tesla's master plan exactly which
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is we're going to start by making a really low volume really high cost car which was for them it was the original
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roadster actually which was a sports car it was 100 grand not a lot of sales but they can use the profits from all that
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to develop and then make a slightly higher volume slightly lower cost car for them that was basically model s
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and then a higher volume lower cost car model three so if that's what delorean is admitting or dmc is admitting right
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off the top we're going to make a low volume high cost delorean it's going to be our halo product but then we're going
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to go from there that makes sense to me it makes sense but then i think because of that we need to now think of this as
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how are we viewing dmc delorean as a company and it's really strange because it is a legacy car manufacturer but one that hasn't made a car in 40 years
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so i kind of think i don't know enough looking onto this i need to look at it more of like feeling like this is a
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startup yeah it feels like stuff right this feels more startupy and as optimistic as i am about this because
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like let's be real the delorean is like one of the coolest cars ever it is 40 years old whether you've seen back to
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the future or not you've probably seen it in if if you've seen it in real life you've taken a picture of it
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unfortunately i seen one in real life i was pulling in onto the street to go home this is like three or four years
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ago and i saw one come down the hill and drive by and i didn't even really process it i was like oh delorean
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wait what that delorean is driving by me right now i didn't get the chance to take a picture but there is definitely
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that moment that you know that's one of those cars that people go out and restore yeah and like what might bring
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up the restomod f-100 in a little bit but like it's cool to see one actually working and driving and like actually
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being used even though it's such an old car so yeah i do i'm rooting for it because
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that the nostalgia did hit me with this one yeah i did really like it so i i really hope it does well i'll be interested to see where they go after
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that are there like cars after the delorean gonna be as unique and kind of special because that's what this is
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right now it's like iconic it's different or are the cars that they say they say
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they want to do like a sedan or an suv afterwards because that's four-door family car something more people will
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buy than like the niche delorean so are those going to also be special or is the delorean going to show off some sort of technology that maybe they have i mean they're claiming they're going to show this off in august
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okay it's not that far away yeah a couple months away it also is probably just prototype probably just one rolling
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prototype classic yep yeah so i think we've gotta throw the skeptic goggles on on this as much as i don't want to
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because i just i want one and i want us to do a video where we somehow have an old one as well that's all i want right now reading this
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that'd be sick rose-colored skeptic glasses yeah that's where i'm at um yeah but to segue this over um we have another eevee
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that sort of made some kind of crazy claims oh you're talking about the you and i had a conversation about this
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the other day yeah i kind of want to like just hop back onto it for a quick minute um so we all know toyota's
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getting into the ev market the bz4x is coming out i actually think i just saw a tweet that austin evans has one or is
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doing a review on one right now or something so i'm really excited to see that um but lexus part of toyota they
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just announced their first ev for april 20th um it's gonna be called the rz450e we have a few teaser images and
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we have a couple old prototype images so we kind of have an idea of what it looks like yeah the one that's making all the
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headlines is the shot of the steering wheel which is it apparently has an optional yoke you can decide to get a
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yolk with this yeah this is also another thing the some of the articles you read about it all were mentioning the yolk but there's
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like this little little tidbit that lexus threw in there at the end that i feel like caught our
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eyes rather than the yolk yeah first off the suv looks nice it looks like a lexus
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it'll probably do great because lexus does great toyota sells a bunch of cars if as long as their eevee stuff seems to
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be doing well i bet it'll do great yeah but then they also just threw out there toyota also noted that they plan to
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create a lexus sports car with a range of 434 miles and be able to accelerate zero to 60 in under two seconds
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that's it what just just toss that out there what hold on okay that's when i was like all right
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skeptic cat right back on because yes i know uh i know the current car landscape
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decently well lexus has the lfa like they have some performance cars but they are not the top of the line period like they're nice but they're not like bleeding edge performance today
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zero to 60 in under two seconds is literally world class top of the line so they're not saying when they're going to have a car that also has 434 miles of
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range and zero to 16 under two seconds but i think achieving that anytime in the next five years would be
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unbelievable for them i don't think it would zero chance that happens in the next five years yeah i think yeah what
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are they saying they didn't say anything i think it's just a um so they're saying
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eventually someday yeah they're making a promise but not really pretty much so and i think this is where we i don't say butted heads but like i will agree with you
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this is really weird to just toss out there yeah i think this is a but i also think these are numbers that almost any ev manufacturer in the next 25 years we'll be able to hit right
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right because of the way electric works yeah so like if we drew a curve of like the average uh
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acceleration for the price yeah it kind of goes like this and it evens out right now for gas cars you can get a five
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second car you can get a four second car but for zero to sixty you can get as low as like 2.3 seconds and then they all
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kind of flatten out you can spend three million dollars and it's still going 2.3 seconds but if you draw a new curve for
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electric cars it goes faster for lower price right so as we draw this curve we're going wow
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you can get a three second car you can get a 2.5 second car you can get a truck that goes three seconds a truck that
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goes the hummer it goes three seconds right but then as we keep going i think we might disagree on the the asymptote
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of that curve does it just keep going up are we going to get 1.4 second cars everywhere i think we both wound up
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agreeing that physics is what kills this eventually like tires road conditions like air like some of that stuff is
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what's gonna kill it um if you think about it though gas cars have spent how many years trying to get to 2.3 tesla's
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been around for 10 years and they're under two already so like they're unlocking something crazy with
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electric motors um i don't i don't even think toyota gets this in the next 10 years yeah but
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i think there's there's obviously a possibility of this happening i don't think it's that crazy i think it's really weird to
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throw those numbers out there i i definitely think it's odd but yeah i i guess the way i look at like performance
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for these cars especially if we're just looking at straight line zero to 60s it's like typically this would be uh limited by
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power gear ratio and tires and when we got really really good electric motors like powerful like you have triple motors in these cars now quad motors and so they have all the power in the world
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and one extremely fast gear and so the limiting factor immediately became tires yeah and all of these cars with as much power as you give them will spin their tires if you try to go
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faster or accelerate harder and so then i'm looking at tire technology and like rubber compounds and how they've gotten better over the years and that curve looks nothing like the acceleration curve yeah but if we're talking under
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two seconds we have a car that does it already right we have a car that does it currently and it is uh under perfect conditions on a prepped
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drag strip with the top of the line tire which i'm assuming that's what they're every car company who's gonna try and
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hit that number is going to do something like this you know uh yeah literally so i guess we're gonna give lexus credit
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for they will eventually have someday oh i don't need to give them credit i just think that not just because it's lexus
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or toyota whatever i just it's their bet on evs becoming a commodity at that level yeah and i think like because in 25 years the and the
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motors and electricity and batteries and stuff we're seeing in cars right now we're probably going to be making fun of about how terrible they were because of
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just the innovation that we're seeing we're going to look back at cars with 250 miles and think that was why i would anyone cannot believe why didn't you
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ride a bicycle yeah 250 miles is crazy i think what to me a lot of this boils down to is i'm kind of terrified at how fast cars are going to be on the road in the next
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25 years when the majority of cars can do zero to 60 in even under three seconds all of them like let's not even go the two seconds that's yeah so is that is that the future where
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like all these motors all these materials get so good and so cheap with scale that
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like every car anyone can buy will do 2.5 seconds 0 to 60. is that real i guess maybe i think that's real ah it's so i guess the um
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the counterpoint to that is what is and we've talked about this before what will prevail
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specs pure driving specs or autonomous automatic autonomy uh i think it's a it's a toss up because it's a general it's a generational thing to me i think most people who drive cars
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today aren't really too concerned about their car eventually becoming a robo taxi or
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driving them everywhere but i think many younger people are very open to like autonomous driving and totally
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comfortable i would give up all the funds of driving to be able to sleep in my car on my commute
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yeah i think you'll see a lot more younger people fall in that category and a lot older people the people 30 but the
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people with the buying power buying all these cars are typically like yeah i want a driver's car i think it also
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might it could even potentially be another generation because i think we're way farther from like full-blown robo
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taxi than we thought our worst yeah just by elon saying next year every year for the last 10 years yeah so um no
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i think it's interesting these kind of random tidbit they threw in there i'm rooting for i'm rooting for more good eevee options so i think the sooner
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lexus is able to deliver i'm doing air quotes audio listeners the better but that might not be for a while i'm excited for two toyota in general just because of their sheer volume and scale
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like compared to everyone else i think the sooner they jump on this the sooner the better it is for everybody um but
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yeah what happens first the lexus sub 2 second zero to 60 car or the road circle or the road the roadster will come out before that that's that might be the only thing i
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can solidify we just got another tesla event and elon went on stage again and said next year again
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so you said that yeah yeah i watched the live stream of the they did the tesla uh texas gigafactory grand opening and
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they had the cyber truck on stage naturally and they said we're going to start production of this next year and i
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i replayed to specifically hear his language he said and then roadster so he didn't say roadster will also be 2023 but he said yeah we're going to start cyber truck production next year and
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then roadster okay and then so that's that promise sounds about as good as this we'll have a four hundred mile two seconds that's vague it's gonna be wow also can
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i quickly say about that cyber truck event i feel like tesla fans made that event seem worse than it was because everyone in tesla wants some grand scale event every time something
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happens and it was just opening a new gigafactory like you're allowed to have fun events to open a milestone of
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something without it being a huge announcement to me it made me i don't invest in any companies that i cover but
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watching that event i was like oh i should buy tesla stock wow like they they talked about scale they talked
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about leveling up how many gigafactories are we gonna have five years from now they're going to start having
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uh the ability to bring prices down because it's more economical to just make the car in the country where it will be delivered instead of shipping
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them all this stuff they talked a big talk but yeah there was no new products to announce or anything like that and
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that's totally fine companies are allowed to do that also there's not financial advice just as you mentioned stock okay
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trivia yeah let's do a trivia and then add break trivia i'm ready so this episode
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we've been talking about the delorean yep the original delorean from back to the
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future that was released in 1985 could famously travel through time what is the name of the fictional car
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part that made time travel possible i almost said it out loud we're waiting till the end yes
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all right welcome back let's talk about the state of right to repair we got a little bit of an update so you remember back in november
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when apple announced their self-service repair program they talked about making all these kits for you to be able to do
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what was it screen battery camera or something like that i forget if they said exactly what it was but it was like some i can officially parts yeah official parts screen and battery
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are usually the main things i'm still not sure about camera that seems really complicated sort of like the full module high level stuff we haven't heard a lot
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about that since then we were very excited it seemed like a win for right to repair but if you sort of follow up on that it
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seems like it hasn't really made a whole lot of progress maybe yeah and there's a couple things that made us think about
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this one is brandon just cracked the back of his iphone this was a great and then what happened and then he asked them about the self-service repair and
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the person at the store had no idea what he was talking about it's an anecdote but it's kind of a it's very indicator
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but yes um strange and then we also have seen recently in other news on the other side of the stage um that google and samsung have partnered with ifixit recently to start
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offering ways to repair your phone i thought that was really interesting i like i fix it i love ifixit and what they do what
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they've already done is they've had like a certain set of like you can buy a tool set and you can buy the the certain like
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a penelope or whatever other pen to something screws to be able to take apart whatever phone you have you know
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you pry the screen off get the glue open but they're gonna actually partner with ifixit to offer kits with official parts
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of older devices so you can buy the kit for your phone and repair whatever is broken pretty cool uh what do we see it's going to be down to
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google offering as old as pixel 2 parts that i love yeah google just jumped on samsung jumped on already google is going to go down to the pixel 2. samsung only says around s20 um
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we also have a little view into what this might entail because they weren't i don't know if they were official parts but i looked on ifixit's
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website and they actually have old s8 battery kits um or screen kits i forget and um it's kind of neat because the
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ifixit kit we have is they're like full-blown like you can fix almost anything with this
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um their old kits for the s8 it came with the couple just the tools you needed for that specific repair so you're not spending a bunch of extra money you're getting the part and you're getting the pieces you need and then
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what i fix it is is like a giant free manual repair uh instructions i guess and like videos and how to be able to do it to make you feel comfortable being able to do it yeah so they're really
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awesome with that um it seems like we're not totally sure what we're gonna be able to fix between
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both of them um samsung apparently glues their batteries to screens so that's kind of weird um so people think if you have to
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replace one you're going to have to replace both because of that or that the part will most likely include
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a battery glued to a screen okay so somehow you manage to you know have a really
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bad battery and then you also break the screen you're in luck that's probably gonna be way easier to uh economically
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repair yeah but it's going to probably cost more interesting and then for pixel it looks like we have like battery and
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screens i mean i think most of these things are what we would want to fix at home yeah typically
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you don't do the most complex part repairs solo but the simpler ones you don't want to have to rely on like oh i need to send my phone away for two weeks while
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someone just fixes a crack screen like i can do that myself so offering the simple ones is a good step if i do crack
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my screen i do have a bit of a crack on my i don't have it here the pixel 6 pro um it's not a crack actually it's a deep
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scratch that is dangerously close to being a crack but it's a deep scratch right now so i'm
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keeping an eye on it but that's the type of thing you want to be able to do yourself well so and batteries and
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screens are clearly the most common as well so it's lucky that those are the ones um they did say that they won't be
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offering like full-blown boards to uh change things in there which yeah that's not something we're gonna really be expecting because those are super complicated and
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obviously not as it's hard to even diagnose whether that's the issue with the phone or not sure where a screen is
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obviously a broken screen and a battery is an issue with turning it on or holding a charge so that's much easier
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and on top of this microsoft and valve are also apparently in working with ifixit to offer spare parts as well for things like the steam deck which we just covered which is awesome
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and steem has been really good about talking about how like this will be repairable this will be something that
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you can dive into and get into the inners of it and then surface laptops as well
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um nice yeah i think there's a story i had a tidbit about this in the review but apparently the steam deck if you open it
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up i mean there's it's weighted pretty well and they fill up like the grips with a lot of stuff but there's enough room
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in one of the grips to fit an entire air tag i did see that actually yeah you can
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open it up put an air tag in there and close it and use it like normal it might feel a little off balance by the weight of an air tag not so bad
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but that is your loss and found feature if you happen to want to do that i'm rant side here now because we're but like i'm so excited for what people are going to do with the steam deck i think
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we had a ton of fun with it but neither of us are really handheld gamers yeah so like i don't think we got to even get
00:27:32
close to seeing what people are going to unlock in like two years the modding community behind this thing especially
00:27:38
when the dock comes out yeah is gonna be really really already getting started i still wish the usb-c port was on the
00:27:44
bottom but i get because you've seen the dock with the renders are yeah it's just going to be like a cable up to the top
00:27:50
to plug it in and then you dock it whatever but yes there's a stand with a fancy right angle cable exactly but it's
00:27:56
got a lot you're right it's got a lot going for it right at the beginning already sort of what i talked about at the end of the video but yeah the steam
00:28:02
deck has a future ahead of it which is really exciting for that yeah um yeah right to repair is sort of on the like
00:28:09
come up all the time i feel like we always have something new we're looking forward to seeing from some company uh
00:28:16
but yeah those two specifically with google and samsung i really like and i hope i actually get to like use one i i mean i it's really awesome we've also talked
00:28:27
about an idea for like a studio channel video where we potentially like race to fix a phone because i don't think any of us have fully like replaced the screen
00:28:34
or a battery right it's tough to get well i have uh only only for a video but yes like the when
00:28:40
we took about we took apart the red iphone put it back together to work though it works yes
00:28:46
sorry uh interrupt on here one of the things they will also include is the the like oem rubber gaskets for waterproofing and stuff like that which is huge because
00:28:57
when you do stuff by yourself without oem parts that's basically you're basically turning your phone into not
00:29:02
being ip rated unless you're very good at it and they even some of the companies even said like you should
00:29:08
probably replace those every couple years because they get worn out so that's also really really cool
00:29:13
um we have talked about right to repair in the past and i think a couple things actually moving forward in terms of law making is what might be finally pushing this we saw the we talked about repairability
00:29:25
scores in france that's a really big thing and they actually did a report out there that said like
00:29:31
60 to 80 percent of people if they saw repairability scores they would pick the phone whether they were part of that phone ecosystem or not would pick the one with the better
00:29:42
repair abilities so all other things equal they'd pick the phone with the better repairability score because
00:29:47
that's not always true about like you can't always apples to apple's phones like that i think it was a little better
00:29:52
than that i think it was the the survey question was if you had been using one phone for a long time but
00:30:00
in the option of picking a new phone you saw the better repairability score than the phone you were used to they would
00:30:05
pick the one with the better repairability score sure so still probably similar price ranges and stuff like that there's obviously reasons to
00:30:11
potentially buy something yeah just because i remember you know when i talked about repairability like we noticed that the more repairable
00:30:17
something is it's built different like you can get you can go all the way the top 10 out of 10 and you get a fair
00:30:22
phone but are people going to go to the 10 out of 10 and get a fair phone or are they going to go to the 5 out of 10 and get something that they like yeah or so
00:30:29
that's there's there's all sorts of sliders to play with for these companies making phones but i like that that's
00:30:34
being highlighted and i think the us is also they've been recently adding some bills that have right to repair things
00:30:40
inside of them because we also uh here have a lot of stuff with like tractors and stuff as well and a lot of
00:30:46
fights for right to repair there so i'm sure some of these companies are starting to see the writing on the wall that this might
00:30:52
happen so get ahead of the game while you can yeah good for all of us um great for ifixit
00:30:58
not because they're partnering but just because they've been fighting for this for so does i fix it need competition i mean i love i fix it but
00:31:05
every everyone needs competition right maybe yeah everyone needs competition i wonder if there is
00:31:11
some i'm more giving them credit because they've been fighting this fight for a really absolutely really long time
00:31:16
absolutely and we appreciate that sick all right i think we've got one more trivia question before we hit
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another break and then we'll talk about youtube comments okay so we've been talking about apple samsung google everything like that
00:31:30
um we know steve jobs founded apple and larry page and sergey brin founded google but who founded samsung who founded samsung
00:31:41
think on it i will think about that we'll be right back all right we're back and we're back on youtube to talk about youtube comments
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so i we've talked about this for a while inevitably with like tweets and other random videos and people have talked about it between creators before but youtube's comments
00:32:13
go through like this ebb and flow of like lots of spam not that much bam lots of spam lots of not not that much spam
00:32:20
and basically what that comes down to is there is always going to be bad actors on youtube
00:32:27
that are going to try to use the youtube comments or use youtube in some way to scam people to go try to deceive
00:32:35
people into going to telegram or whatsapp or like leaving the site and getting money from these people etc
00:32:41
there's always going to be those people and so youtube's always chasing those people around the site adding rules uh
00:32:46
adjusting auto moderation things like that to try to hide those comments and should try to make it harder for bad
00:32:52
actors to operate but if you're chasing you're always going to have them find something new before you catch it yeah and it feels
00:32:58
like the latest wave has been like five months of lots and lots of comments of specifically it'll be a bot this is what
00:33:09
i've noticed on my own channel i talked about this in the video on the main channel but it'll be a bot that has my profile picture and then has a name
00:33:16
that says like marquez brownlee messaged me on telegram here and maybe even a number and and then it'll say like congrats you're the winner of the giveaway or something
00:33:27
like that and you know to me that that's obviously a scam like why would you click that yeah that's dumb
00:33:34
but i started getting emails from people who'd send me a screenshot saying hey is this you
00:33:40
and i'd be like no that's you can ignore that it's spam and then i get a couple more emails saying hey is this you i
00:33:45
message them it says it's you i'm like no it's not and then more and more emails from people saying hey
00:33:50
i sent the payment am i going to get the thing hey this is you is this you and it would get to the
00:33:56
point where like i think maybe two three weeks ago it was like i'd wake up and my inbox would have like seven eight nine
00:34:02
new emails from people who sent money to people i got screenshots of conversations and things like that and
00:34:09
so you know not that there was like a certain tipping point but i just made a video talking about it because this is
00:34:14
clearly something that we need to see a youtube end fix for i say youtube and fix because we have
00:34:22
other tools that have been made by people uh theo joe being the primary example of he made a tool that will
00:34:28
allow a creator to run a script that will automatically delete a bunch of comments it'll actually detect much
00:34:35
better than youtube's own system a bunch of these specific types of spams um on my latest video if you ran the
00:34:42
tool there was like 40 accounts that left like 1700 comments 30 of the comments it
00:34:49
was 30 of the total comments on the video 6 000 total comments on this video and it was just covered because they
00:34:54
just go to the latest comments and just reply to every single one with a different account and they've gotten
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around the latest tools which would be like if you hide a user from channel that will automatically remove all of
00:35:06
that user's comments from the channel but they just make so many different accounts that you haven't hidden any of
00:35:11
the other messages so all that to say uh you know i've had conversations with youtube plenty of times and i've had conversations with them since then they've been working on this
00:35:24
um and since that video they've actually rolled out a new tool which is a little check box you can enable on your videos
00:35:30
which i like when it's a user side thing i don't want it to just be like a huge youtube
00:35:35
update rolls out that you have no control over i can check this box that says increase strictness
00:35:41
yeah it's the sub it's like a sub box to the um to the auto moderation already they're auto moderation yeah yes so if i feel like this is something that's happening on my on my videos which it is
00:35:52
on my latest video i enabled this box and i clicked increase strictness yeah seems like this should solve or help the
00:35:59
problem um we did upload a video as of our recording maybe like 15 hours ago or something like that so i've been going back through and i'm still seeing a lot of these bot comments i haven't
00:36:12
gotten as many emails i don't think i've gotten any since the new video yeah but i do still see a lot of these
00:36:18
comments and so we'll see over time if this new stricter auto mod actually makes a difference
00:36:24
[Music] generally like i like to see that youtube is actually responsive to this stuff it just seemed like this one took
00:36:31
first this and you say that you just saw this on your channel but like we've seen around linus made a video on
00:36:37
this this is not just a just our channel thing this is all over youtube i started
00:36:42
seeing a bunch of different creators that i do james hoffman was saying it he's not in tech at all i think mr beast
00:36:49
has ones who are just like offering money and they're they're even going on other channels channels that are like
00:36:55
semi-related to mr beast or that mrb's viewers might watch and being mr beast i think
00:37:00
i had someone email us saying they got a you comment on somebody else's tech channel yeah so like it's
00:37:07
happening absolutely everywhere um and it's it's really a bummer to see it happen um i didn't see as many on this latest video when i checked comments this morning
00:37:17
um so maybe it's helping a little bit so now it's not straight up deleting them it's holding them in the like
00:37:23
potentially inappropriate comments which means they don't show up on the channel yes which is the most important thing
00:37:28
yeah yeah i think my the way i kind of thought about this was like anytime i you know i talk about this stuff i like
00:37:34
hear from youtube about how they're approaching the problem and i can't even shed too much light on it obviously when they're chasing bad actors they need to
00:37:40
keep their methods confidential otherwise bad actors can see the way they're being chased and adapt
00:37:46
but when i look at youtube comments the thing that i noticed about this particular
00:37:51
version of the spam is they find like this this nice like middle zone of timing where they can get away with a lot of comments so
00:38:02
when i first upload a video and the first hour has 1200 comments or something like that i'm hanging out in
00:38:08
the comments i'm replying i'm talking to people liking things pinning things replying and all that stuff and so i'm
00:38:14
in the comments section and people expect to see me and if there's any sort of spam it's quickly either
00:38:19
blocked by a bunch of people because they'll report it and there's a lot of activity or i'll see it and i'll remove it
00:38:25
then in the long long tail this is on the total opposite end of like a five day old video
00:38:31
it there's not enough activity for those bots leaving all those comments to actually get any sort of roi maybe some
00:38:38
people have notifications on and they'll see it and they'll think it's me but like why why would i be replying on a five day old video
00:38:45
so what these bots do is they find this nice little goldilocks zone of like a 12 hour to 36 hour old video
00:38:53
where it's still getting a fair amount of activity but it's no longer me in the comments the whole time like
00:38:59
it would be if it was brand new and they've swarmed in and replaced what looks like would be me in the comments
00:39:05
section and are just replying to everyone so there's a good amount of activity still but not enough for people
00:39:10
to be like flagging it and getting them removed and there is enough for them to get a lot of engagement and feedback and
00:39:18
get people to fall for it to feel believable that you could still be in the comments i could still be on a 36 hour old video telling yeah i mean it
00:39:24
could be like the next day you're checking something like that um yeah and one other thing that they did do which
00:39:30
you mentioned um they added the being able to ban a whole channel from all of your videos the
00:39:36
issue with that is when you look at theo joe's like when you ran the script on our thing it's like 40 plus accounts and
00:39:42
all of them can just make new accounts so it kind of feels like here's a way of doing it but you almost have to have
00:39:48
someone full-time on your videos finding these channels every single time and banning them manually only for them to
00:39:54
probably come back that's like hours and hours of work to be able to stop it before they launched before they
00:40:00
adjusted that feature to actually hide all previous activity i would have had to have manually removed 2 000 comments
00:40:06
which is never gonna happen now with this with the new tool at least it will remove all activity from one
00:40:12
account i think the top one left 110 comments on one video how that doesn't get picked up as spam i don't know but
00:40:19
you could at least go through and start to pick off like this one left 50 comments remove all of them this one
00:40:25
left 40 comments remove all of them this one left 90 comments remove all of them and you can make a little bit more of a
00:40:30
dent that way but it's just it's so much work to do that that you just want youtube's auto moderation to take care
00:40:36
of it i think in an ideal world the increased strictness and auto moderation uh can take care of all these very obvious to my eye spam accounts yeah but
00:40:47
the feature i suggested which would be don't let people use the word telegram in their username or just let me block my own name from usernames on my channel
00:40:58
would take a long time to implement and it's just not an option right now so we are hoping
00:41:04
that this increased strictness tool which i think can also evolve over time can eventually make a dent in the spam
00:41:10
i'm keeping an eye on it because i'm in the comments section all the time i'm seeing this stuff happening in real time
00:41:15
but so far no emails of people getting tricked so far so far yeah and like in case you haven't heard this before don't respond if it doesn't have a verified
00:41:26
check mark like we will only ever contact you through verified means it's usually going to be a twitter dm
00:41:32
instagram dm or an email from our official mkbhd email account like those are the only
00:41:37
ways we're never going to contact you on a text message or telegram or whatsapp yeah like
00:41:42
sorry just keep an eye on that out on that it's a the smart thing to do on the internet
00:41:48
if you think something might be a scam it's a scam that's my what i always think pretty good rule of thumb yeah
00:41:54
it's probably a scam that was the thing is like i'm getting all these emails from people who are like hey this seems a little suspicious that
00:42:00
you're on telegram and like i just figured i'd send this to your official email imagine how many people didn't get
00:42:06
that far yeah like the people who thought enough to send me an email probably didn't get scammed or if they
00:42:12
did they at least thought about this is probably a scam there's lots of people who most likely didn't get that far and
00:42:18
just thought the whole time without ever emailing me that they're gonna get a prize if they just send 150 shipping fee
00:42:24
to some random telegram account it's it's really unfortunate it sounds really dumb to fall for but like
00:42:31
one thing we kind of thought it they were targeting us for was because we were in the middle of a giveaway as well
00:42:37
right right but i even see it on like a bunch of it wasn't even because of that it just happened to coincide with it really well but like
00:42:44
if you're just getting a a random dm or message from something that looks legit and
00:42:50
you know you don't have the means to be able to get a new iphone or whatever and it pops up
00:42:55
you're enthusiastic about it and you can really easily be blinded by that and it's a shame but yeah there's scammers
00:43:01
out there because it works yeah i've seen this on mr mobile's channel i've seen this on jerry everything's channel
00:43:07
i've seen this on i think danny winget's channel i've seen this on linus's channel i've seen this obviously
00:43:12
on jimmy's channel and just a bunch of channels in between even just this specific version of like
00:43:18
impersonating you and getting you on telegram i've seen that one on all these channels and then there's like the classic other ones that are like don't
00:43:24
click my profile and it's just some lewd picture or just like copying and pasting
00:43:29
a previously high upvoted comment and then bot farming that one to be highly uploaded so it looks legit
00:43:35
all that stuff we've seen before but like this the video that i posted was because of this new wave of impersonating us which
00:43:41
i think should be relatively easy to kill but the point is youtube's hopefully working on it
00:43:48
hopefully hopefully hopefully steps forward yeah verified check marks actually mean something though don't for
00:43:54
sure don't ignore them yeah yeah we'll keep an eye on that but i think this is probably the point
00:44:00
at the end of the podcast where we can uh attempt to answer the trivia questions
00:44:06
from the beginning to outbreak you're undefeated you got to keep it going well i'm 2-0 so no you know i'll try to i'll
00:44:13
try to keep the favor so we'll try to keep it high uh let's revisit those adam which
00:44:19
which are we doing first this was uh the delorean right first yeah so the first question back to the
00:44:26
future was released in 1985 the delorean in that movie could famously travel through time what is the name of the
00:44:32
fictional car part that made that that made time travel possible right i'm gonna let you i know this yeah i'm gonna
00:44:39
let you go though to make sure that people believe you're still on a streak because that's the flux capacitor ding
00:44:45
ding ding is that correct yep okay and now there's a number here i want to because there's a number i i associate with this
00:44:52
and i believe it's the power needed for the flux capacitor right 1.91 gigawatts gigawatts gigawatts or
00:45:00
gigawatts it's probably giga is 91 the correct number no 1.9 poop 141 close one one something one right one point two one two one one point two one gigawatts wow needed for the flux
00:45:16
capacity there's just lines in the movie that just like you can't forget them like the image is seared in my head you
00:45:21
can forget some of them well i mean the flex capacitor part is like seared for sure that's hilarious like i said the new
00:45:27
delorean needs to have some sort of a reference capacity reference to it there's no way it doesn't yeah okay yeah
00:45:34
next one that i have no idea about andrew you're to be clear your answer for that was also flux capacity yeah yeah yeah
00:45:41
yeah we're just trusting that he knew it yeah yeah i don't have a streak to defend yeah i could just stop it well it's
00:45:47
about to end so next question we know steve jobs and wozniak and the third guy anonymous guy yeah founded apple and larry page and sergey brim founded
00:45:59
google but who founded samsung samsung so i mean samsung is a korean company right
00:46:06
i assume that's where it was founded that would be my assumption i assume um but all i really know as far as like this is the funny thing we see who goes on stage on uh for like samsung events
00:46:19
and i those are the ceo and like the chief of marketing and i don't know if those are founders like the people who
00:46:24
go on stage now for apple aren't samsung's been around for long enough that i would kind of guess probably not
00:46:29
anymore people people treat dj co like like a legend but i don't know if he's a founder but that's the only person i can
00:46:35
think i mean that that's probably as good of a guess as we're gonna i can't think of anyone else
00:46:40
so uh and but that's just mobile though there's samsung is huge samsung has tvs screens they make everything i'm gonna guess it was bixby
00:46:53
uh i could give you a hint that's not really a hint because it's not going to help go for it it was founded in 1938
00:46:59
yeah oh holy a long time ago so it's not dj coke um dang 1938 that's like when you ask like would you tell me what they're i'm just
00:47:11
interested now do you know what their first product was oh i could find out i don't know i'm really cause i just i know samsung makes
00:47:18
everything but in our niche we're just so focused on phone so when i think of samsung i think a phone first
00:47:24
yeah even though i also have a samsung television there's samsung washing machines and refrigerators and
00:47:30
sound bars and everything not smart speakers unfortunately i'm stalling but i had found out when shooting retro tech that nintendo was a card company and started in 1889
00:47:44
which was like the name nintendo yeah oh yeah way before the game boy they made some old stuff so that was
00:47:51
now you know yeah it is samsung began as a grocery store [Laughter] this is what i mean by the make everything okay so really was it sounds like electronics started in
00:48:06
1969 according to this and their first product was black and white televisions okay that was something that's a little more than that they're connected the grocery store is connected that's 30 years apart though
00:48:17
samsung began as grocery store trading and exporting goods produced in and around the city it sold dried korean
00:48:22
fish and vegetables as well as its own noodles i'm going to guess his name was sam
00:48:28
i like picks final answer forgive my pronunciation libyan chool was the founder ah okay
00:48:35
learned something new every day it was floating around there i just couldn't quite give you guys a hard one are they still
00:48:41
around like influencing samsung at all no no no grocery store is happening still samsung so i'm assuming did they
00:48:48
start selling tvs in the grocery store and then it turned into an electronics section and then that's that's a that's a very reasonable
00:48:55
evolution and i guarantee that's not how it went yeah probably there's a yeah samsung currently makes everything
00:49:02
there's a whole a whole history i'm looking at this article now they were involved in life insurance there's a
00:49:08
whole bunch of stuff they were everywhere wow awesome samsung continuing the trend of
00:49:14
being part of basically everything yeah all right i'm at 75 but i feel pretty good about my three out of four yeah three out of four i'm one for four or so not fast if you even count i count i'll
00:49:25
count it okay i'll count it all right well that's been it for this week uh stay tuned next week we'll probably have a whole bunch more
00:49:31
i guess well i don't want to tease it too much but we got some interesting stuff planned so definitely stay tuned here and we'll be
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