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The first candy is dots. Oh, wow.
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In go. All right. Well, guys, I'm not eating anything. Just kidding. It's the hardest thing to chew.
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I will eat it.
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Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to a spooky episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm I was trying to think of a spooky joke, but it didn't come in time. You should just say I'm iCloud.
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I'm your iCloud password. Full iCloud. Uh, if you're watching this in video
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form, then you can currently see that everyone is wearing some form of a
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costume cuz it's Halloween and this is uploaded on Halloween and we're in Halloween spirit. Everyone. Yeah. Well, I'll we'll get into that in
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a second, but uh there is plenty to talk about still because this is still being recorded in Tetober. Is this coming out
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in October? No. Yeah. Halloween. Okay, great. Perfect. So, it's still TTober when you're listening to this. It's been TTober for so long.
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I know. I feel like I'm in tech purgatory right now. And now we have uh we have iPhone Air
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sales updates. We have a new robot that is real, but also kind of not real. And maybe a rant about it. Uh Adobe updates.
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Nothing 3a Light is a new phone. And we're going to end with a little Halloween candy ranking is what I've
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been told. And the Books Palmer 2 Pro. And David's holding a books palat pro. Yeah. So that's also today for all my enjoyers out there. Uh
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anyway, should we just explain our costumes real quick? Just because it probably looks insane to audio or video
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viewers, but audio viewers can't see. We'll have Adam record a separate little clip uh of us like twirling around that
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he can put in Oh, like a video game select. Well, cuz your costume is pretty full full on. Yeah. If this was a
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competition, I'd be voting for this costume. That's nice of you. That's Thank you. Um I So for audio listeners, Moment
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released this new like backpack vest. It's supposed to be like they released a bunch of new bags, but one of them is a
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vest for all your stuff instead of having a backpack, which is weird, but cool. But this one that they sent me
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looks like a fishing vest. And at the very last minute, I was like, I don't have a costume. Um, wait, fishing ve? I
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could be a fishing scam. So, what I've done is I've taken the fishing vest and this really fishing hat thing and I've
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stickied a bunch of fishing scams all over me. Fishing pole. The fishing the fishing pole.
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Can't forget that. So, you know, it's similar to last year's language model where I just stickied a bunch of stuff on something
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else, but it's um puns always win. I'll take it. So, that's my costume.
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That's what I am. What are you, Marquez? Uh, I'm Grrew. Grrew. Grrew is a is a character from a
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movie called The Minions, right? Is the name of the movie. Despicable. Despicable Minions.
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Okay. The Minions is a separate movie. Despicable called The Minions. And you might have you might you might
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know it as the Minions movie. Maybe. Um and there's a character that has this exact scarf and I am now him. I am him.
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You are. And every Grun needs a minion. Of course. Of course. Of course.
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Which Which one of you is it? I don't know. Can you guys tell which
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one between Adam and I who's the pirate and who's the minion? It's pretty pretty hard to tell. We'll leave that up to the viewer.
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Yeah, that's funny. So, Ellis is a minion. Alice is a minion. Adam, what are you? Well, I came in as just a pirate and
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everyone was like, "That's not tech." So, I grabbed a bunch of VHS's and now I'm a movie streaming pirate.
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You didn't have to give that away. You could have just said that you did it from the start. No, it's fine. You be like, "I'm
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I'm honest here. We are nothing if not truthful on this podcast." Maybe you the one video medium that literally has
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no data stream in it here. And now it's infinite data. Now you're a pirate, too.
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You better see that cents on the front of that. You didn't steal it. You paid for it. Anyway, uh Andrew, what are you?
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Andrew, what is this? I'm Arc Browser. Uh wait, explain.
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Cuz I'm a skeleton. [Music] Damn. Damn. Damn.
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Well played. Deep cut. Well played. I'm mostly just a light up skeleton with no peripheral vision. I'm still using
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so far. So far. For now. For now. For now. We're on borrowed time. Wow. Okay, that
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is great. Happy Halloween everybody. Happy Halloween. Well, you know what else might be dead soon?
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The iPhone Air. I hope not. It will not be dead soon. Well, history, look, whenever you look
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at trying to predict the future of tech, one of the most tried and true ways to do that is to look at the past. Did you
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guys know that? No. And did you guys know history repeats itself? Did you know that?
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Because it kind of does. If you if you really think about it, if you really think about it, uh,
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Apple's been trying to fill this place in their lineup in between the Pro phone and the not pro phone for a little while. Not even in between, they just
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try to have another phone in the lineup. Yeah. and they had iPhone 12 mini which everyone except one person on earth
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um one Minion got rid of tried to use but then eventually got rid of. Yeah. Um and then they had the 13 mini the
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next year which fixed the battery the battery and that was kind of it and sales were too anemic for them to
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continue and it was gone after two generations. Very quickly after they followed up with a plus iPhone. The Plus
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iPhone also lasted two generations and it was right above the base iPhone. It was just a bigger screen but none of the other pro features, but it also died two
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generations in. Just didn't sell quite enough. And so now here we are in 2025 and Apple's done this crazy ultra thin
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future of the iPhone type of thing. Very innovative. We all know it's kind of half of a foldable, but they did the
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iPhone Air and it's once again very interesting phone and many people were
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very excited about it. But now here we are and headlines are popping up that uh
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sales are a little bit lower than Apple's expected and so they are cutting production to less than 10% of the
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original volume that they were forecasting they'd be producing at. That's a crazy number. 90% lower than what they thought they would be
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producing. Which to me when I read a headline like this I went to business school for a couple years and I always had a
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professor that told me that if you give a number without context I will fail
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you. That was his thing. He was like, "If you tell me that sales are, you know, 10% or whatever, or the price of
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something is $100, if you don't tell me that the competition is actually $200, or it used to be $100, but now it's
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$50." Like, if you don't give me some type of context, I will fail you. And so, I see this headline and it is very
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spicy. 10% production of what they thought they would need. What were they
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expecting? And what is the the actual number? Because when I see the curves of
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iPhone Air, if I'm putting on my Tim Cook hat and I'm uh I'm the logistics guy and the supply chain guy, I feel
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like iPhone Air would have a pretty big initial spike among enthusiasts willing
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to spend $1,000 on a futuristic iPhone and then it would level off and lower over time. And something like the base
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iPhone would have a low initial spike, but then would have a longer tail as normal people who don't buy on day one
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find out about it and buy the the new iPhone. So, if I have that I'm doing my math thing now. If you have that high
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initial spike and then lower and we're still on the first like month of the phone coming out, this expected spike up
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here and the actual amount could be dramatically different, but it could be the same shape or it could be a
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different tail or it could be, you know, uh a totally different expected curve.
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There's a lot of possibilities that could match this headline of 10% production versus what's expected. That
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was me rambling. All that to say, are you guys surprised? Yeah. Just to go on that, it feels like with
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some other context, maybe that spike isn't that high because just in a, you
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know, if you're trying to pre-order an iPhone right now. Mhm. If you can pre-order an iPhone air,
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are you going to wear this mask? Your voice is a little muffled. Is it muffled? A little bit. Yeah. Put the If you put it over
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There we go. Um Oh, that does sound better. Okay. Um, sorry. Yeah. If you're pre If you're
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pre-ordering iPhones right now, you can get an iPhone Air shipped immediately. If you pre-order any of the other iPhone
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17 lineup, it's a two to three week wait time. So, makes sense. It feels like that spike isn't what
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isn't a big spike off the top. And I I mean, like I know you said enthusiasts potentially buying it, but
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it's really hard to have think of enthusiasts that would want to buy this over like what we're calling the most
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pro iPhone ever. If I I picture an enthusiast enthusiast being like
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that's what I'm getting. The Air is cool, but I'm getting the sweet new. So, I think that's always true about the
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Pro iPhone. You're always going to have a bigger spike at the beginning because that's what enthusiasts are going to get. The Air is interesting because it
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is more expensive than the base model and it is worse than the base model. And
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so, you have to be an enthusiast to decide to get that phone to spend more money and get it because it's thinner
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and pretty and shiny and stuff. Well, you don't have to be an enthusiast. You could just really like thin pretty.
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Well, I guess on day on month one, yeah, I expect the average person to be just
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getting the base iPhone and not really spending the extra. And if I'm an enthusiast, I'm getting probably the
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Pro, but also maybe the Air. And it's also the Air is like super over
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represented in my like Twitter timeline and on Instagram. And like I feel like everyone who has the Air, I know they
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have the Air. This sounds just like the Mini. Sorry, David. I can barely see you on this. I promise. But this is the This is
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the Mini on Twitter. Everyone's like, "No, this is the best thing ever in our space. We love the Mini. Make long live the mini."
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That's true. Sounds exactly like it. This did this this quote of 10% did kind
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of blow my mind because anecdotally, I've been seeing a ton of iPhone airs.
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And usually I don't see the brand new tech thing everywhere all the time, even with the brand new iPhone. But I've been
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seeing a lot of iPhone Airs. I've seen at least like seven or eight just in my neighborhood. That's so interesting.
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But I live in New York City, do you think? So this is a place where people will buy the new expensive thing and
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also will buy the fashion thing. Yeah. Do you think you're So this is this is like again like the human brain
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and like perception. Do you think you're noticing the air more even though you're also seeing pros and just not
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registering it? I see some pros. That's a real possibility because I've just been
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wondering consistently. Yeah. I mean, you very much notice. So, yeah, it's a it's a possibility, but it's just the
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fact that I'm seeing them at all within the first month of it coming out is kind of like surprising to me. Yeah. I mean, anecdotally, the people
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that I know that would be buying the Air in my head all got the Pros and the Pro
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Max. I've seen so many pros cuz it's so easy to tell when it's sitting in like a car mount. You just see this bright orange
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big camera plateau like in your rearview mirror. You can just be like that guy's
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everyone I know that bought the Air is not an enthusiast. Like they bought it because they're like ooh pretty and they
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universally love it. Like they're in love with the with their phone. That is such a it's the mini.
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It's a different type of enthusiast. Well, and if you think about it, so like you know how the whole thing with electric cars is that, oh, you only need
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this much range, not that much range, because oh, you'll just charge in your in your garage and then you'll just go
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to the grocery store and you'll go live in suburbia. Like, it's all those people that are buying the Air because the
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battery life is not that big of a deal to them. So, they're just more interested in something that's flashy and thin.
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Yeah. You know, a finally actually new iPhone, right? Yeah. Yeah. you know, in in supply chain
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land, like what you said, Andrew, like the iPhone Air is available, and that means they have extra stock, and the
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other iPhones are not available for maybe a couple weeks, which means they don't have enough stock.
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In an ideal world, they're all available and have just barely enough stock for the exact correct amount of demand,
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which is why they make these forecasts and try to supply chain stock stores perfectly. Uh, and to me, they just
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slightly got the ratios off or maybe more than slightly got the ratios off of what they expected. I do want to try to run this phone for a
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little bit. I just don't want to buy it. So, I can't I can't I'm not willing to invest $1,000 just to like mess around
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with something. Yeah. Yeah. It's not worth it. It is pretty nice to hold. It is very nice to hold. Every time I
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pick someone's up, I'm like, but I, you know, you wonder how long how long it's going to last before it wears off.
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Do you think the average person going into a store just picking up an iPhone that would
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potentially buy that would be worried about it breaking because of how thin it is. Do you think that's a concern? Someone who doesn't watch any of the
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testing, hasn't watched any of our reviews, they're just the typical and sales people are good.
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Yeah. You know, I'm sure that's part of their training. True. Like when I used to work at Best Buy Mobile, we would get like
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paperwork and stuff on like how the talking points on all the phones and stuff, you know. That's so interesting. Yeah. Apple
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stores, I know they do a good job of that. And I bet carrier stores, Best Buy, things like that also are like very
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convincing. Oh, just get our insurance. Oh, just, you know, it'll be fine. It's durable. It's definitely not going to break.
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And then upsell you on Apple Care immediately after. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is titanium. Yeah,
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seems pretty strong. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on it. We'll see if this thing actually changes in trajectory or if it's almost
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dead. We'll find out in two years. All right. I also noticed um I was
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liking a YouTube video recently. It was by the Autofocus channel. It was on a new Porsche 911. You like your own videos?
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I do. I should mention I like every single one of our own uploaded videos. Do you vote for yourself in the school
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election, too? I never ran, but if I did, you better believe I myself. Absolutely. Do you like your own tweets? That's the
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only thing that matters. Oh, no, I don't. Cuz that used to be a favorite button. Yeah. So, I I adopted that as like I would
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like to remember this tweet for later. So, I don't like my own tweets. It was a favorite button. Anyway, um I liked an
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autofocus channel button and I saw a small animation of a tire play and I realized that YouTube has been giving us
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custom like button animations on various channels when it autodetects the type of
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channel that it is. I don't actually know if the waveform channel gets autodetected as a type of channel that gets a custom like button. I don't think
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it is. I think there should be a tech one also and there isn't. Yeah. But there's like beauty channels and car
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channels and all sorts of other things that get custom like button animations. And I thought that was pretty cool. There's like a ton of sports ones.
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Yeah. Do you want to go over the list? There's a tweet. Yeah, there's a whole list. Okay. Wait, can I ask a question first?
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I can't read it. So, is this based on the video or like the channel? I think it's based on the channel. Okay.
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But that I don't actually know if that's true. I have a good way to test this after we um Can you go through the list?
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Yeah. Okay. So, there's about 20. Motor vehicles get a car animation. Learning
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uh gets an idea bulb animation. There's music for music videos. Film. Travel gets an airplane, a basketball, a
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football, a cricket ball, a soccer ball, and a baseball. Cooking. Yeah. There's
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tennis. There's cat, which is, you know, honestly. Yeah. Cat videos should have cat video com. There's comedy. There is
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dog. There is horror. Love, which I don't really know what that would mean.
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Romance, which is apparently separate from love. weird. Uh, Thriller, which is separate from
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horror, and TV, which is separate from YouTube. So, with that, do you think that's channel or tag based?
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I think it's the type of video. Yeah, I think auto detects the type of video. I would I would say it's the type of video. You think it does that by tags or by
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No, I think it's AI. Can they get rid of tags? I think if you say certain words or have certain title, then it's like video.
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I'm not getting this. Is this just on web? Uh, this is on mobile. I I got it on mobile.
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I'm not getting it on Android right now. Oh, it's because it's on Yeah, it's on Android. Yeah, you know, Google's on platform. Yeah,
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iOS only. Sorry. Sorry. Really? Coming. It's not on. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just making a joke. Wait, let me check.
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That just happens a lot. Google has released a lot of features that are iOS only until it comes to Android.
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Uh, no. I got it on the autofocus video. So, it is on. Okay. I was just kidding. Wait, are there There are still tags in
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videos, right? You can still tag a video. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Adam for this episode.
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Can you tag Can you tag every single one of these and see what happens?
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We got to pick one like beauty. You should tag horror over and over and over again. And then what we should do
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to test if it's the tags are the things we just all have to say car a lot. Car driving
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car wheel drive tire drive car. This car is good. Electric car. Waveform podcast. Car
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waveform podcast electric vehicle form podcast. I think it's AI that just like looks at a whole bunch of factors and
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picks the most likely one. Yeah. Well, we just need everyone of you to press the like button to test it out and let us know.
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Let us know if you get a certain animation on this video. That would be sick. I wonder if the clip gets different
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animation from the main episode. I don't know. What would it be like a microphone exploding or something? Well, there should be a podcast one
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because it knows what a podcast is. That's the easiest one to detect. We put it in a playlist called podcast. Like I don't know what more I could do
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for them. That should be easy. A little microphone shows up. That would be fire. Anyway, um
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yeah, that's that's new. You know what else is new? Oh god. Oh god.
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Okay. All right. Where do I start with this? So yesterday I'm on Twitter and
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you know, as I am, I open up the website and I'm fed a whole bunch of random stuff. And one of them at the top was
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someone tweeting at me, "Hey Marquez, you should check this out." And so I scroll up and it's this tweet from a
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company called 1X and it's about a robot called Neo and it's this like 10-minute
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keynote video announcing a new humanoid robot that's available now said oh wow available now
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you can order this thing and so I click on it and I watch the whole video and I
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kind of instantly understand that This is not real. But I I close the video and I go home.
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The next morning, this morning, I wake up and I come in and this video has uh 15,000 retweets, 26 million views, and
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many more people tweeting it at me asking if I'm going to review it and check it out and how excited I am that this is finally real. And so now I do
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feel the need to at least share some of my thoughts on it. Um, and it's it's
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hard to know where to start. I cuz I have I have several opinions that I know are all over the map and all also some
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of them are controversial. So, where do I start? Do you want to do we want to kind of like talk about what it is first?
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Yeah, let's do what it is. You ordered it, right? Okay. Please, please tell me.
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Okay. So, this robot, it's a 5'6, 66 lb humanoid robot. Comes in three colors.
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Uh, yeah, it's pretty light. Comes in like this light cream color or like a light blue or a black color. And it it's
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humanoid shaped. So imagine it's it's like kind of fabric covered from head to toe. It has a pair of eyes on the front
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which are camera sensors. It has ears on the sides which are microphones. It has little lights where the ears would be. It's like a walking mannequin.
00:19:23
It's like a Yeah, it looks exactly like a walking mannequin. And the video shows it walking around uh in a kind of
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naturalish type of way and doing chores all over the house all day. So, it
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waters your plants. It vacuums the floor. It takes the laundry out. It folds it. It puts stuff away. It does
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the dishes. It cleans the toilet. It just lives at home doing your chores. And then when it's done, after the 4
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hour battery life is up, it walks back over to the charger, plugs itself in, and docks. That is a very cool idea.
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Like, people have been I mean, what's the Jetson's robot called? Like, people have been having this idea for Rosie.
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Rosie the Jetson's robot. Like this is an idea. Humans have loved the idea of a humanoid robot helper for forever. And
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now with the advent of AI and with all these sensors and all this investment in
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the category, it feels like it may be more real than ever. Like Tesla's doing this thing and Boston Dynamics has had
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these humanoid shaped robots and like maybe we're actually finally going to have this thing. So people watch this video and believe that it is now finally
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here. That being said, uh I also watched a
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Joanna Stern video. She has been with the Wall Street Journal for a little bit and she got a demo in person of this
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robot. So they brought it to her and it did a whole bunch of this stuff. She asked it to
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Wait, she went to a demo area, right? Right. So she went to a demo area, a little house that they set up, but in
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person she got to witness the robot helping her. So it would take a a glass and bring it to her with water in it or
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it would I think load the dishwasher or something like that. a couple tasks that it would do. Uh, a 100% of the things that were
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happening in her demo time were teleyoperated. It was operated by a guy
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in another room with a VR headset and controllers. 100% of what was happening. So, when you
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watch the video again, you kind of have to assume that some of what's happening in this keynote video is also
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teaoperated. There are two specific clips where they say whoops that it is
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autonomous. Uh, one of them is when the doorbell rings and they ask it to go get
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the door. And so it autonomously walks over to the door, waits for the person, sees the person, opens the door, backs
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up, and lets them inside. And the other is, uh, take this water glass that is
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now empty from me. And the robot walks over, takes it out of his hand, and walks away. Those are the two clips
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labeled as autonomous in this video. All of the rest, I assume, are teley
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operated. So, where does that leave me? You could, if you wanted to, pre-order
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this robot. It's $500 a month or $20,000 for outright ownership and priority
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delivery. That sounds crazy on the surface, but I actually think that's a
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justifiable price for especially the type of person who's going to buy this, who sees this as just buying saved time.
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Uh, not a ridiculous price. I have no problem with the price. The problem is it's a $200 pre-order and they say
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they'll maybe ship it next year. And I don't believe that they will.
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Hold on real quick. Have we heard this before? Yeah. Um, can I just clarify really quick? When you say justifiable price, do you mean
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justifiable price of everything working correctly or justifiable price of this? like there's a good chance a lot of this
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is teller operated and we're using you cuz like he's he claims a lot of like it's not
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going to be that great off the start. Yeah, great question. They're selling the dream. Mhm. And I think that the dream is worth the
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price, right? I think that the fully working, fully autonomous robot where you leave home in
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the morning and you come back at night and everything is done and cleaned up for you every day and you never have to
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empty a dishwasher or do laundry ever again. That dream is awesome and I think
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a lot of people are buying that dream and I have no problem with the price of that dream. The problem I have is the
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thing that they're selling is far from that product. And you know, I don't know
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exactly in this video how much of this stuff is operated. I'm assuming most of it is, but it's like I can give some
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leeway on it being a little slow or a little clumsy. It's a firstg product.
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this is going to happen, but if you're an early adopter, you want it to at least work. And I think uh what they're
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saying and what Joanna uh found out from talking to the the founder and people at the company is that they're not
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expecting all of these tasks to be autonomous even from the beginning. They're expecting some of the stuff to
00:24:01
get stuck sometimes and to have a couple of issues and then someone who works for the company will remote in and telly
00:24:07
operate the robot and peer into your house and fix it for you. and early adopters are gonna have to be okay with
00:24:13
that. Yeah, effectively they're saying it's very confusing. In the video where he's talking to Joanna, he's like it'll do
00:24:19
most things autonomy when we ship it to you, but also we need to build a world. So the idea is they want to build this
00:24:25
world model quote unquote which is effectively being able general AI. Yeah. Being able to train the robot to
00:24:31
see objects, understand what they are, understand what it's doing, you know, unload your dishwasher, do this stuff. But they don't have enough training
00:24:38
data. So, what they're trying to do right now is they're trying to get these into a lot of people's houses because of
00:24:43
course they've got some lab in the dog patch in San Francisco or something, right? And they're just they have a few
00:24:49
robots that are going around. They're like, "Okay, we we are manually training on dishwashers now. We're manually training on this." But in order for
00:24:56
these models to be built, well, you need like millions of parameters, like millions of videos. And they can't
00:25:02
produce millions of videos fast enough. So, what do they do? Yeah. Oh, we'll sell a robot that is in way
00:25:08
more people's homes and we'll create the training data in people's homes, which
00:25:14
So, you're selling a product for $20,000 that doesn't do the thing so that other people can build your product for you so
00:25:22
that eventually you'll be able to sell it to people that it can actually do the thing. And even it's like on the hope that it can eventually do that because
00:25:27
they don't have all the parameters and there it's this like don't worry it'll work once we get all of this but you
00:25:32
guys need to spend $20,000 and teach it for us. This is this is the the AI product
00:25:37
problem. This is the it's been happening before. This is what happened to the humane pin. This is what happened to the rabbit which is the promise of it
00:25:46
working someday in the future is dependent on getting all of the data and all of the systems to to work
00:25:51
eventually. This is the self-driving car problem, too. We can't sell you a
00:25:56
perfect self-driving car until we have millions of miles of data of the thing
00:26:03
being trained and working so that we have a perfect system to self-drive. How do we get those millions of miles? We
00:26:09
let people beta test it for us and put it in their own hands and hopefully it's safe enough that we can get millions and
00:26:14
millions of miles and then we have a self, right? But at least the benefit of Tesla that that they had was that they had a
00:26:20
thing that people already used every day that was already a good product. So they had videos of roast and it was always recording video that
00:26:27
to be used in the training data. Well, Neo has this too because one of the things they advertise on their
00:26:33
website is something called expert mode where if you ask Neo to do a task that it has not yet autonomously figured out,
00:26:40
you can schedule a time where a quote unquote Neoexpert will teleyoperate the
00:26:46
the robot, do the task, and supposedly contribute to this training.
00:26:51
I'm going to schedule a time for an expert to come take the glass out of my hand. Not just that, but that opens up a
00:26:57
whole world of like, okay, so you're streaming video footage from inside your house to somewhere. Yep. There's a few things he he felt
00:27:03
like he was kind of making some stuff up when Joanna would ask. He's like, "Oh, we could blur faces or just geolock
00:27:09
areas inside of your house, which is like I guess you could." And but I think what to go on what David was saying is
00:27:15
Tesla cars were at least cars and like operated as cars collecting data. This
00:27:21
is a robot that literally can't do anything, I guess, except being scheduled to tell operoperate. But that's just not a good
00:27:26
product unless it has all this training data. Yeah. If this was like a good vacuum
00:27:32
cleaner that you used and then at one point it was like, "By the way, we had you've used it enough now that it knows
00:27:38
what your house looks like so now it can clean for you." That's different than put a robot in
00:27:43
your home with cameras that someone has to operate. Yeah. And I will give them credit that like they control it with some in Oculus
00:27:49
Quest controller basically in a headset. And it did have some pretty real time like movement and they have some
00:27:56
interesting things when the robot like they pull threads inside of the robot to do the tendons which is what allows it
00:28:02
to be light so that it doesn't like fall on your dog and kill it. Um 66 lbs. Yeah, 66 lbs is quite light. Uh but that
00:28:09
also means that it can't apply a lot of force. So Joanna in the video tried to get it to crack a um what kind of net? a
00:28:15
walnut walnut and it would not crack at it. I think that's fair cuz like I can't crack a walnut with my hand. So,
00:28:21
yeah, but I mean it can't apply that much pressure. I'm glad I can't apply that much pressure. That is also true. Yeah.
00:28:26
That's true. You don't want it to strangle you. There's a whole movie about this. And I'm I'm begging
00:28:31
which movie are you robot? Okay. Robot. There's also Xmachina. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I am once again
00:28:37
begging people to finish the movie. It um it like Yeah. What was I going to say? It it was
00:28:44
impressive how it all works with attendance and stuff, but then you watch any of the teleoperated stuff it does in Joanna's video, which you should
00:28:50
definitely go watch, and I couldn't help but just thinking like this is how Lane stumbles around the house trying to
00:28:55
learn how to do new things. She's learning her neural net the same way. I mean, the thing
00:29:01
right now, it opened the refrigerator and immediately hits itself in the face and
00:29:06
then has to like walk out. It tries to load the dishwasher. I think it took 5 minutes to put in two cups and a fork.
00:29:13
And the way Why does it matter? I I But the way it's squatted down to get the dishwasher door is just like
00:29:20
it's not even close to being what a human would do to do these things. I worry less about the speed that it can
00:29:26
do tasks because if it's like doing it autonomously then, you know, it's sort of like Yeah. It's like if I if it takes me 2
00:29:32
minutes to render a video or or or an hour to render a video, but it's not due
00:29:37
till next week. Agreed. I don't really care. My analogy is if you had remember that analogy we had of like a crank computer.
00:29:43
It's like if you could crank computer render a video like this in 15 minutes or if you could just have it do it
00:29:49
automatically in an hour. I would take the hour even though it's slower. I just don't want to have to spend I think it was less about the time and
00:29:56
more about just like how clearly it wasn't operating and how a human would operate to do any of those things
00:30:02
despite being controlled by a human in all those scenarios. So now we're expecting
00:30:16
an actual human who knows how to do those things can't even control it correctly. That's fair just not even remotely.
00:30:23
I have you guys looked at the FAQ yet? No. So can Andrew like going off your point
00:30:28
of like how clumsy this thing tends to look. One of the things in the FAQ is like, "Can Neo cook for me?" To which
00:30:34
they're like, "It's not going to be allowed to use your stove." Which is like, "Cool. That's good. That's safe."
00:30:40
And then they're like, "But Neo can help you clean up." Which implies doing the dishes. They don't say do the dishes.
00:30:45
There's a video doing the next two FAQ points are like, "Do not get this thing
00:30:50
wet." Oh, really? Its hands are waterproof, but it says the rest of the unit is not.
00:30:57
And then the there's an FAQ that says, "Can NEO be used outside?" And it just says, "Contact with moisture may damage
00:31:05
it." Oh my gosh. Which is funny cuz there's a video of it outside watering plants. Which also I just want to add I just
00:31:11
want to add love the idea that it could clean my toilet. You know, no one no one likes actually some people like cleaning their toilets. There's like a whole Tik
00:31:16
Tok thing. But wow. Is that knit washable? Like I don't want it to clean my toilet if it just has if
00:31:23
it just has poop and pee on it forever, you know? And I can't find that information anywhere.
00:31:29
Interesting. It also she asked it Joanna was asking
00:31:35
the CEO some questions and right after showing that it does dishes, he was like, "Oh, it can't pick up sharp
00:31:40
objects." It's like, "Okay, it can do all my dishes except for knives and pointy forks." I'm cool with that though. I I
00:31:46
don't want I don't want it doing that. But that's not doing the dishes if 10% of the dishes you can't do because
00:31:52
now they're pointy. Doing the dishes is like a very delicate like you drop one dish and you you messed up. Yeah. Big
00:31:59
time. And then there's pointy objects everywhere. And do you think that thing could clean off the floor? Yeah. I don't think
00:32:05
that's cleaning glass up off the floor. I'm just imagining, you know, how we have a Okay. We've had we've had two different types of robots here at the
00:32:11
studio. We've had a robot vacuum cleaner. Yeah. Which we came back to in the morning and found it like wrapped in cables like
00:32:18
dying in the corner. Yeah. And then we've had Astrobot. Oh god. It's just
00:32:23
which is like a little bit more capable. It doesn't vacuum, but it can like bring you a drink if someone is in the other
00:32:29
room to hand it a drink first. And like it has a little security camera and it can rove around and be a helper and has
00:32:35
an Alexa and answers questions. Even that was like it would still wrap a cord around its neck and like dive under a
00:32:42
desk for no reason. So, uh not a whole lot of um not a whole lot of success so far in
00:32:48
this category. So jumping all the way to I think basically my thesis is jumping
00:32:54
all the way from where we are now which is this is not real and it's 100% operated. Jumping all the way to this is
00:33:01
a good product and it's mostly tea operated and it actually saves you time is a huge gap. So why did you announce
00:33:09
it now instead of when it's done? And the answer is both because we need to
00:33:14
generate hype and raise a lot of money and because we need a lot of training data and that is the AI product problem
00:33:21
of 2025 and beyond. Like that's what happened to Rabbit. That's what happened to the humane pin. That's what happened
00:33:27
to so many of these others which is the product is not done. They had a dream and a really good idea and a respectable
00:33:32
idea and and people working really hard on it but they just didn't have the tech that was good enough to sell it as is.
00:33:38
And so they sold us a horrible product that was not yet done. And that was their demise. My question is like how much how much
00:33:44
funding do they have? Because instead of selling this for $20,000 or $500 a month
00:33:49
when it doesn't really know how to do a lot of stuff yet, they should be offering to let people test it for them or like getting or
00:33:57
paying other people to test it for them, you know, cuz they get enough people. I
00:34:02
don't know. I think they would. I think the entire paid the entirety of Twitter,
00:34:07
yes, would definitely sign up for this. 20 million views. I I think we should say something nice.
00:34:12
It looks soft. It uh I think their marketing materials are really well done. I just want to I feel like the browser
00:34:18
company kind of like introduced this like super soft nice marketing style. Everything's screen
00:34:24
colored, but there's also a lot like the photos have like a nice sort of high contrast graininess to even their like launch video was like a
00:34:31
super eight video going through San Francisco. That's exactly what I like that there's old people in the
00:34:37
materials. Even though old people are not going to buy this. No, people are going to buy it for their
00:34:42
parents. I feel like as a this kind of humanoid robot might make the most sense for
00:34:48
people who have a hard time getting around their house and might need some help. Yeah, but come on. Have you ever met an old person?
00:34:54
No. Like I I you know, helping old people. My my parents are weirdly good at tech. I
00:35:00
don't help them with tech that much, but I feel like, you know, old people, you know, struggle to find the email app on the iPhone. Like, I don't want to give
00:35:07
them something that is completely LLM operated. Yeah. I don't want the the current asexist version of this product could be
00:35:13
terrible for old people, but the someday the dream is complete version of this
00:35:19
product might be awesome for old people. I feel like there's a lot of AI companies that sort of have this really
00:35:24
weird posture where they're like, "Haha, wouldn't it be funny if it killed you?" Whereas the 1X is sort of like it can't
00:35:32
it won't it's soft sweater 56. You're good. No sharpness making a 62.
00:35:38
Yeah. It can't it can't cook. Yeah. I'll say he did a decent job of
00:35:43
admitting some of the it's weird to say admitting the faults and then sell it at the same time. But he's he mentioned
00:35:48
shortcomings of it and how next year the people who get it are going to be purchasing something that is not
00:35:54
fullyfledged and has a lot to learn. I just think even that level of what he's saying is still so far from most likely
00:36:01
what's going to go. Well, it goes to Marquez's point. Like this is technically a cool thing. Like even being teley operated, like that's
00:36:08
still pretty impressive for a small startup to do. It's just not what they're selling right now. So
00:36:14
yeah, I think we were nice enough that now no one could be mad when they lose all their money on their investments. I just
00:36:20
can't wait until they're like, "Oh, did you see they talked about Neo on the Waveform podcast and they turned it on
00:36:25
and there's a skeleton and a minion ripping on and a fisherman ripping on
00:36:31
us. They're a robot and they won't take any of this seriously." Yeah, I'm looking at the viewfinder now
00:36:36
and it just looks like a skeleton. Do you know how hard it is to just look at Ellis with those eyes the entire
00:36:42
podcast? I completely forgot we were I was like, "This is just a regular podcast." I I
00:36:47
actually wear this most days when we're not doing the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Last year when we did our Halloween
00:36:54
episode, I was cutting the clips the week after and I was like, "This is no longer relevant." That's exactly what's going to happen
00:37:00
with this. Yeah. People, you know, it'll be Halloween week. I It'll Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:05
Yeah. These clips will be viewed long after Halloween. Yeah. Maybe next year they'll pop off.
00:37:10
You know what else costs $500 a month?
00:37:16
Damn. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Okay. Well, Adobe Max happened this week. Last year, I went and then
00:37:22
took a redeye uh Tuesday night cuz it starts on a Tuesday to come back here. I decided that's a bad idea cuz I don't
00:37:28
like doing that anymore. So, I didn't do it. And I Yeah. Yeah. I don't like having red eyes like bunnies. I like having regular eyes.
00:37:34
That's a hazel eyes. I'm glad you did that because we got all the same information from the internet.
00:37:39
What? Oh, about Adobe. I didn't need to do that. So, I'm glad. Yeah. So they had MA uh Max is their
00:37:45
annual developer conf. It's not really a de it's a development conference. They kind of show what they did and then they
00:37:51
teach you how to use it I guess. Um it's sort of for creatives. They weirdly did not really seemed seem to at
00:37:59
least on the first day ship or talk about a lot of new new Premiere or After
00:38:05
Effects features. They actually had pretty big Premier and After Effects updates like a couple of weeks ago. So, I'm not really sure if that was supposed
00:38:12
to be like not as big of a deal. They do have generative select now in in um in
00:38:17
Premiere. Anyway, I'm just going to go over Photoshop and Lightroom because that's what I use the most often and
00:38:22
there are some interesting features here. I like Lightroom. You like Lightroom? You use Lightroom? Yeah. All right, we'll do Lightroom first.
00:38:28
Hey, so Lightroom, uh, which is a photo editing app now has an assisted calling
00:38:33
feature, which if you don't do you know, do you guys know what calling is? I don't think I know. Okay. It's when you got sick sheep and
00:38:39
you got to do something about it. Not too different, actually. Um, lambs. No, I'm kidding.
00:38:46
So, if you're if you're like a working photographer and you shoot burst mode, which is, you know, I'm happy for you. I
00:38:54
would never do it myself. I don't want to deal with that many photos. If you're like a wedding photographer and you're just going
00:39:00
Mhm. As they do, as they do, those 1DXs. Yeah. when you go home and you have to like decide which is the best photo,
00:39:08
that's really really really annoying, right? Because a lot of those photos people are going to be blinking, people are going to be doing this and having to
00:39:13
go like dink dink through every picture is very annoying. So with image recognition, you can now
00:39:20
understand, oh this person is blinking, this photo is overexposed. So, if you
00:39:25
import a ton of pictures, they have all of these different selection modes where you can select, okay, make sure people
00:39:31
are smiling, make sure people are not blinking, uh, organize the photos that are overexposed versus properly exposed,
00:39:37
and it'll kind of contextually understand that. So, that's very useful. And you can like tag things as selects and rejects,
00:39:44
and it'll separate them into separate areas. That's sort of a quality of life really useful but it is still using the
00:39:51
image recognition and uh semantic recognition that we've developed recently. It's best shot.
00:39:57
It is basically best take. That's kind of awesome honestly. Yeah. Um there's a color variance slider
00:40:03
now. So for example in your skin tones on your face you have many different
00:40:08
tones. And sometimes if you just up the contrast on a photo it also ups the contrast on the colors in your face.
00:40:15
Mhm. So you'll have like reds and greens and you know yellows in your face shadows.
00:40:21
And if you up the contrast, it's going to make those go away. They now have a slider that allows you to basically um
00:40:29
lower the contrast on between certain colors or heighten the contrast between certain colors of certain areas so that
00:40:36
you can more easily sort of get rid of those different color variations and make it all similar. So that's cool.
00:40:43
uh some they have automatic dust and sensor smudge removal. So if your camera sensor or lens has
00:40:51
dust or like marks on it, it will automatically understand that when you import the photos and it will suggest
00:40:57
that you content to where it fill them away. So that's very cool. I really wish that they did this with
00:41:04
film dust because I have thousands of little dust particles on my film. That's really freaking annoying. But we are a
00:41:11
very small market. So they will not care about us. There's dozens of us. There are dozens. There are dozens. Uh
00:41:16
you can now batch rename files which apparently they did not have before which is very useful. And then also
00:41:24
something that's kind of cool. You can auto select objects and it will automatically recognize if that object
00:41:30
created a reflection or a shadow and it will also select that part of it. That's good.
00:41:35
Yeah. So, if you're like if you're trying to fill something out, like they gave an example of a lighthouse that
00:41:41
they that they selected the lighthouse, but then the person hadn't realized, oh, the lighthouse is casting a reflection
00:41:46
in the water. So, if you just select the lighthouse, it'll spin a little wheel for a sec and it'll select the lighthouse and the reflection in the
00:41:52
water. And then when you do remove, generative remove or something, it'll also get rid of the reflection. So,
00:41:58
that's very helpful. Yeah. So, that's Lightroom. Um, Photoshop was quite interesting. They now allow you to
00:42:04
use different generative models for their generative fill. So instead of just using the Adobe Firefly models,
00:42:13
they now accept Nano Banana, which is Google's Gemini image recognition model.
00:42:18
That sounds like something else. As a minion, I thought Nano Banana was Gemini's Sora. I thought it was a video generation
00:42:24
model. No, no, no, no. It's an image generation model. And it's something that I'm surprised we actually never talked about cuz it did blow up for quite a while.
00:42:31
Yeah, but it's not that good. Well, the good things about it is that it's really good at keeping character consistency.
00:42:39
So, if you needed to generate multiple images of the same person, it they would continuously look the
00:42:45
same. And so, that we're entering this weird phase cuz remember when chat GPT and
00:42:50
remember when Gemini had like a model drop down window and and you had like a zillion options and you're like,
00:42:56
what is the difference between flash? And so, they're doing that right now. I
00:43:02
assume they will eventually just have an auto select the model that you need feature. But for example, you know, Nano
00:43:08
Banana has the character consistency thing. So if you want to, you know, turn the angle, say, say you have a person
00:43:14
facing forward and you're like, oh, I actually want the camera to be looking down on them, you can use that model and
00:43:19
you can say make it looking down from a 45 degree angle. It'll be looking down at them and they'll be looking up at
00:43:24
you. So it like maintains the way that the person looks. Pretty interesting. It's kind of like a virtual camera feature. Yeah.
00:43:31
Yeah. Which is I don't know, kind of weird. And then there's, you know, other models that are good at different other
00:43:37
things. Um, select subject and remove background have gotten much better on device because they used to be only good
00:43:43
in the cloud. The remove tools gotten significantly better. There's a new generative upscale feature which gives
00:43:50
more partner model options. So, um, Topaz upscale AI is now an option within
00:43:57
Photoshop. So, it's very interesting. So it can like you can take a low res image and it will upscale it the way same way
00:44:03
that Topaz has always done. Yeah, I was going to say I know I never use these upscaling features cuz all all the source images I usually have are
00:44:09
high res but I guess for older images maybe it's better like I use the topaz
00:44:14
ones a lot and they're really good if you set them at like 10 to 30%. Like if you if you hit this slam upscale make
00:44:21
this a million pixels it will look goopy goopy. Yeah, but at 10 to 30% it can do some pretty
00:44:26
gnarly stuff. Yeah. And then I think that one of the biggest features is um harmonize which did come out last year in the beta. But
00:44:32
harmonize is basically you can take any PNG and you can drop it into any image and you can hit harmonize and it will
00:44:39
naturally make all of the lighting and the color of the the thing that you dropped into the image just look like it's realistically part of that image.
00:44:46
Oh, so Photoshop skills. Yeah, but like being good at it just automatically now. Yeah, auto Photoshop.
00:44:51
Nice. So I like that. Those are sort of the main things. Um, I definitely probably missed a few things because I went to watch the keynote and
00:44:58
it was like 5 hours long. Wow. And at least last night when I was writing this, it was not yet on YouTube
00:45:06
and there was no playback speed option and there was no chapters. Woof. So, I did not watch that and I just
00:45:13
watched this morning a bunch of uh recap videos. So, that's the way to do it. Yeah. So, even AI could help there.
00:45:19
Yeah. Um, but speaking of a wow, we should just rename this to Wave AI form
00:45:25
or something. We talked brief, I don't even know if we talked about this, but basically um, Mo is this new assistant
00:45:33
for Copilot for Microsoft's Copilot Assistant. And effectively Copilot, we you've heard
00:45:40
of that. It's like Microsoft's sort of AI that's always in Windows and it's just always there. They have now made
00:45:46
these 3D characters that are personifying the AI
00:45:52
and you know a couple weeks ago they dropped it's sort of like it looks like a um Luma from Super Mario Galaxy sort
00:45:58
of. Okay. And it's kind of just floating there and it talks to you and it's cute but if you tap it a bunch of times it turns into
00:46:04
Clippy. Yes. And we had mentioned this on the podcast almost. Oh, sorry. I mean like we almost got
00:46:10
what we wanted on the podcast from like a couple weeks ago we were talking about Windows 10 going away and then we were
00:46:15
just saying something about AI being like we just need Clippy back in Copilot. Yeah.
00:46:20
And then I got tagged a bunch of times when this happened but it's like it's not quite it's it's close. We get a brief me we get a
00:46:27
brief Clippy I think just like is it pers so it's not persistent he just they just it says it just poofs
00:46:34
into Clippy as an Easter egg and then it disappears I think. So are you kidding me? Exactly. That's I don't need this
00:46:39
flubber ass green thing. I need Clippy. And I mean I can understand if you want
00:46:45
Mo right to be the new thing like let that be the default. But if you already program Clippy into it, give us a Clippy
00:46:52
option. Nostalgia sells Microsoft. It's true. Microsoft, you you should know better than anyone nostalgia sells. Um you're
00:46:59
selling all these shirts with like MS Paint logos on it. Like just let Clippy be an option. Yeah. I'd pay $500 a month for Clippy.
00:47:06
Okay. Well, not all of us would, but do your dishes.
00:47:12
To do my dishes. So, speaking of trivia, speaking. Oh, wait. There was like
00:47:20
Oh. Oh, spooky trivia. Oh,
00:47:25
guys, before we get into trivia, I just want to drop one little news story that I don't know much about, but I just want to make everyone aware.
00:47:30
Mhm. My I don't know if it's Halloween spookiness. My monitor is flickering like crazy right now.
00:47:37
It's definitely not the giant minion glasses. I I did take off these glasses to see
00:47:44
like Anyway, um those of you who are interested in graphic design, for some reason right now the Affinity suite of
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00:47:56
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00:48:02
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00:48:13
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00:48:20
not new. Released in late 2014, what phone had a total depth
00:48:28
of just 4.8 millimeters? What year? Late 2014,
00:48:34
specifically December 2014, so almost 2015. 4.8 mill. 4.8 mm. I believe that's thinner than
00:48:42
the Edge and the Air. It is. Yeah. Okay. God, I know a spooky question.
00:48:47
I I did I had I researched this cuz I wrote about it for
00:48:52
my air video and I didn't name drop it, which I maybe should have. All right.
00:48:59
Well, answers will be uh at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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00:51:32
going to start this segment by asking our resident minion Ellis, what is your battery life?
00:51:38
Oh, a little bit. Yeah, we use that. So, uh, today was a a little a little
00:51:43
extra because my train was not running this morning. Took me two hours to get to work. Woo!
00:51:49
So, a little extra usage on the on the Purple 12 mini today. Um, who wants to take a little crack? Came off the
00:51:55
charger a little early today, too. I was up bright and early, I think. So, it came off the charger at 7:45 a.m.
00:52:02
It is currently uh 12:15. I don't know how to do math, so you guys
00:52:08
can figure that one out. There's a 30 in there. 4 and a2 hours. Okay. 52%. 52%. I I literally was going to say 52%.
00:52:15
52% 52%. I was thinking 63 63%.
00:52:21
I'm currently at 56% giving I think that would make David and
00:52:27
Andrew a little closer. What did you say, Andrew? I was going to say that, but there's no way I can prove that. So, David wins.
00:52:33
Oh, yeah. Well, it's not like it was a trivia point, even though I wish it was.
00:52:38
But you know what's not 56%.
00:52:43
The winning percentage of the Philadelphia 76ers cuz it is at 100%.
00:52:49
Unbelievable. Have the Spurs lost yet? No. And neither have the Thunder. Anyway, but this isn't a basketball
00:52:54
podcast. This is a nothing 3A light podcast.
00:52:59
Hit it. Yeah, we got to talk about this. Um, the B Okay. Nothing when it came out was a
00:53:08
budget brand and then they made the A series which was their budget model.
00:53:15
Mhm. For the budget brand. And I remember us joking around about how they made a budget line for the budget brand. And
00:53:21
then they made a budget company that was a subbrand that was budgeter
00:53:26
CMF. CMF. Mhm. Too budget too furious. Two budget too furious. And then now
00:53:32
they have the nothing 3A light which is the budget of the It's the budget phone
00:53:40
budget version of the budget budget. the budget version of the budget line of
00:53:48
the budget company of the of the pro pro version of the budget company but not the budget subbrand that makes
00:53:56
sense why somebody needs to do a hierarchy of all these phones because I could see it's very clear in my head how
00:54:02
the nothing phone 3 could be above the nothing phone 3a and the nothing phone 3
00:54:09
isn't there a nothing phone 3a pro yep yes and is that below the nothing phone three or above the I think it's below.
00:54:16
I have the price. Do you want me to read the prices up for you? The prices. Okay. Yeah. And I want to I want to acknowledge as well that that this 3A light is almost
00:54:23
the same price as the original Nothing Phone 1 launched that I did not have written down. But
00:54:28
yeah, that's okay. So, Nothing Phone 3 is $799. Okay. And then the 3A is $379. The 3A Pro is
00:54:35
$459. And this 3A light is approximately $290. We're basing this off of it's not
00:54:41
available in the US so it's €249 or and you said the 3a pro was4 $459 and then the 3
00:54:48
is $800. Okay. So so that's the hierarchy of that and then the CMF phone 2 pro is
00:54:54
$279 which is right below the 3A light. Oh right they have a version of the
00:55:00
budget. Okay. Okay. Got it. So, it's So, it's the Nothing Phone 3, then it's the 3A
00:55:05
Pro, then it's the 3A, then it's the 3A light, then it's the nothing a CMF
00:55:10
phone. Correct. Also, the CMF phones are listed on the Nothing website in the phone section. So, like you can see, I pulled
00:55:16
all of these straight from the phone section on nothing.com. Um, what you might notice is this three Oh
00:55:24
my god, trying to remember all these. The 3A light pricing is super similar to the CMF Phone 2 Pro pricing,
00:55:30
right? That's not the only thing that's similar. I've posted a side by side here
00:55:35
inside of our document. And do these phones look familiar? Could
00:55:40
someone explain? Okay, so the camera arrangements are practically identical. They're not like
00:55:48
the same colors and there's like some screws and
00:55:53
stuff, but like by and large, a lot of the features of these things look very very similar.
00:55:59
Wait. Okay, I have some questions then and you it looks like you have the answers. Are are they the same chip? Yep.
00:56:04
Are they the same display? I mean, I have a set of specs here and let's just say they're the same.
00:56:11
Oh my god. The button layouts are the same. Oh my god. The camera layouts are the same,
00:56:16
correct? Wow. The cam the battery is the same. Mhm. Okay. So, this is the Okay, so it's the
00:56:24
same phone but just with a different back and a different branding. Yes. This
00:56:29
is basically the CMF phone 2 Pro with nothing design language on the back, including a glass back versus the screw
00:56:37
off like David was saying, orange back. You know, it's funny. I was so ready to call this dumb, but I actually prefer the nothing branding. And so, I would
00:56:43
buy this over the CMF phone. Well, it's also like glass instead of plastic. So, yeah, like the CMF phone's plastic, which like you can take off and do the
00:56:48
modular thing and have the like lanyard or whatever, but I would buy this over that. Yeah, me too. I think it's funny because
00:56:54
I've kind of liked nothing's clear white branding and yeah, this is my favorite out of all of them because of how simple
00:57:00
it is. It's just like mostly white clear, some hints of black and red every once in a while and um that's about it.
00:57:07
It's not over the top like some of the other nothing phones have been. And I think this is the best looking Nothing phone. What's the weird like pull tab thing on
00:57:14
the back? I think that's just like the where the battery went in. Does the battery is the
00:57:20
battery removable? It looks like there's a little this whole side. Yeah, there's like a little scoop place
00:57:25
for you to put your thumb. Like it looks like you're meant to take that. That's what it's supposed to look like. It's totally non-functional. It's just design.
00:57:31
You're kidding. Of course. That's just how it looks. Now, it's it's one thing to choose design over function, but to design
00:57:36
something to look functional is psychotic. Have you heard of nothing before? That's their whole thing. No, no, no. Nothing makes designs that
00:57:42
look pretty. That's not pretty. That looks like that. That literally invites you to stick your thumb in there.
00:57:48
Yeah. Yeah. that that's their whole aesthetic is like there are screws under there which are supposed to invite you to unscrew things but you never do that.
00:57:54
You you can't take this off and unscrew this. I don't know Marquez like like there are screws that in all of our devices and
00:58:00
I'm not I don't feel begged to unscrew them that that is like look what's in there that
00:58:06
most I'll say most phones don't have like they don't like visible screws. Their aesthetic is visible screws and
00:58:13
visible screws to me feels like oh I can open the back. You can't open the back. All of this screams I should be able to
00:58:20
open the back, but you can't. And that's that's just a nothing thing. You're losing me, Carl.
00:58:26
They also to go with the nothing uh design language is they've had glyph interfaces on a lot of other ones. This
00:58:33
glyph interfaces, one singular white dot on the bottom, which at first I thought,
00:58:38
wait, did we just get back notification LEDs? Like I remember on my Note 8, I had one LED on the front and like blue
00:58:45
was text, green was email, yellow was Snapchat. like I loved that and I thought this was that again. It's not.
00:58:52
Um, in fact, when you go in the through the setup process, it says new glyph interface and I'm waiting for an
00:58:58
animation to happen and then I click next expecting the animation to go and it just goes into the essential button.
00:59:04
Oh, this could be so much cooler. Okay, so just to if video viewers are looking at this, there's a dot on the bottom
00:59:10
right corner down here of the phone. It's a white LED. Uh, oh man. So you can
00:59:16
do the like essential notification thing where if a certain Yeah. app notifies you then it lights up which
00:59:22
is some information. But if this was a multiolor LED I know I would be raving about this too. So
00:59:29
happy about this. The simplest thing. Oh, that's so close. It's funny that one multiolor LED would be better than every glyph nothing's
00:59:35
ever done before and they still didn't do it. God, I wonder if you could hack that if
00:59:40
it's actually like an RGB LED kind of like the Nexus 6. Was it the Nexus 6?
00:59:46
I forgot. One of the Nexuses had a had a It was Shimu. Yeah.
00:59:51
Oh, you're saying which one had a multiolor LED? There was one that had a LE like they advertised it as just a white
00:59:57
notification LED on the back and but it would it was actually a multiolor LED.
01:00:02
They only used the the white light. Uh but there was in within Cyanogen Mod,
01:00:08
you could assign different colors to different app notifications. Yeah. because they were able to actually
01:00:13
do that. So, those are the days. Maybe this will be a thing that people can figure out. Hopefully.
01:00:19
Yeah. Um S Nexus S, but I did it on my phone. I didn't have a Nexus S. I don't know.
01:00:25
Whatever. I have um one other interesting thing about this. So, this is the first device that nothing is
01:00:31
launching with the feature called lock glimpse enabled by default. If you don't know what lock glimpse is, it's a
01:00:38
setting that's been on some I think it was in uh nothing OS 4.0 beta um where
01:00:44
essentially you turn it on and on your lock screen now it changes every time you kind of turn the phone on and off.
01:00:50
um which can also sometimes go onto linked articles and what everyone's
01:00:56
assuming are going to be paid ad spots for nothing which on the beta release
01:01:01
the community was really upset about it to the point where 3 days ago which would be I think the 26th today is the
01:01:08
29th nothing released a statement saying guys pump the brakes this is opt in only
01:01:14
you have to go into the settings you have to opt into this it's not going to take over and then full well knowing
01:01:19
that to 3 days later, this phone gets released with it turned on by default. I checked, I set up the phone, it's on by
01:01:26
default. Um, so presumably you now have uh not only does it come with Tik Tok,
01:01:31
Instagram, and I one other preloaded onto the phone. Um, you get lock glimpse
01:01:37
prefaulted on on this phone presumably to make it cheaper. So, it's it's $10. You kind of
01:01:45
think like, is this worth $10 more than the nothing? the CMF phone 2 Pro, which kind of feels like it if you like the
01:01:51
design in the glass back, but it also shows ads. It does. I mean, you can turn it off, but
01:01:56
it's uh it was it was on by default like that. It was on by default like that. Yep. It It's funny cuz the article I read said
01:02:02
this is a slippery slope. It's like, wow, that slope is slick because 3 days later, it is already defaulted on.
01:02:08
Dang. Welcome to the Nothing CMF 2 Pro 2.
01:02:14
Think even as a joke to mess that up, I messed it up. So, I don't even know what I just said. It would be the Nothing Phone 2 Ultra.
01:02:20
The CMF the CMF phone. CMF. It would be the CMF Phone 2 Ultra
01:02:26
because it would be right above the CMF Phone 2 Pro. You know what else is a 2 Pro? A baby is waiting.
01:02:33
All my all my e- in enjoyers out there. All right. You know that we are big BS
01:02:41
fans over here at the W podcast. Um, more than one of us. me and Ellis.
01:02:47
Um, so we talked about the BS uh
01:02:53
Palma 2 Pro. You say books way you hit the O way harder than I thought you were supposed
01:02:58
to. It's fun, Marquez. It's fun. It's not books, though. You're saying books today. It's the
01:03:05
books. Okay. Okay. We talked about the BS Palma 2 Pro. Y which has an e- in display. It also has
01:03:14
a pen that unfortunately does not magnetize it to it and there's like no
01:03:19
holder for it is on the case. So, okay. So, yeah, the big thing about this is that it has it has a SIM card tray
01:03:26
which has the ability to uh you can either put a SIM card tray in it so that you can, you know, access books on the
01:03:31
internet or you can download, you know, you can listen to Spotify or you can do whatever. It's I I'm wondering how close
01:03:39
this is to a phone because I don't really know if it has a microphone. It's as close to a phone as the iPod
01:03:44
touch was to an iPhone. Wait, you can't make phone calls on it. I'm not sure yet. I haven't tried this.
01:03:50
You can put data on it. On an iPod? There was no cellular on an iPod touch. So, it's actually closer to a phone than
01:03:55
the iPod touch. But there was SIM data on an iPod. No, no SIM. Okay. This has SIM data, right? Yeah. So, well, yeah, you can have a SIM
01:04:02
card. Okay. So, it has a SIM card tray in it that can double as a micro SD card express or micro SD card reader, but it
01:04:09
already has 128 gigs of storage in it, which is pretty good for a uh e- in
01:04:15
e-reader. Twice as much as my 12 mini has has 8 gigs of RAM. Um, it's got a
01:04:22
3,950 mAh battery. Wow. So, that's pretty big. So, it's probably going to last a very long time. It has
01:04:28
twice as much as my a 6.13 inch Kid
01:04:33
Collidio 3 eaper display which is color. So it can do color now. Has an octaore
01:04:40
CPU. It says a GPS a- GPS which I don't really know what that means. Um but
01:04:46
there's this optional additional pen for it so you can mark things up. And I've
01:04:51
tried this so far and is very very seamless. It's very quick. And then the
01:04:57
folio case that they sell with it is a case first off and then it has this it
01:05:03
has Mag Safe by the way. It's like an unofficial Mag Safe ring everywhere that the case attaches to. But the case
01:05:10
also has magnets in it. So when you close the case it locks and when you open the case it unlocks the BMA 2 Pro.
01:05:18
That's a subtle thing which that everyone should be doing with their folio cases. very similar to the HTC dot
01:05:24
matrix display case that they had 9 or whatever. Yeah, for the M9. Wow. And uh yeah, I am just extremely excited
01:05:32
to use this. I may put a SIM card in it and like see how close I can get to actually using it as a phone. I think it
01:05:37
would be great. But also, I unboxed it just this morning and it has an AI assistant.
01:05:42
Oh, I'm not really sure what an what a what a reading.
01:05:48
Summarize this book for me. Yeah, that's what I would be like. Please don't summarize anything I'm reading. Yeah.
01:05:53
So, there is that. Unfortunately, they were so close to perfection. I know. They didn't So, they didn't put
01:05:59
an area for the pen anywhere on the case, which is kind of annoying. I feel like they should have had like a loop on the front, but it does magnetize to it.
01:06:06
So, if it does magnetize to the front, and it's pretty secure. It doesn't really feel like it's going to fall off. So, hopefully that wouldn't fall off in
01:06:11
like a bag. But that's a coincidence. That's a uh I don't know. I They might have done that on purpose. Oh, thank
01:06:17
you. But also the case, even though it has Magafe, like a Mags safe ring on the back, it can also turn into like this
01:06:24
folio thing where it comes off and then is used as a kickstand. Uh I again am not really sure why you
01:06:30
need a kickstand for your phone sized e-reader because you're not really going to be watching videos or Tik Tok or anything on it.
01:06:36
It's color, but it is color so you could um anyway, I'm very excited about this
01:06:42
thing. We've been talking about it for weeks and uh I believe it's $400. Damn.
01:06:47
Which is a bit expensive. It's a little bit more expensive than the previous books pal. Does the pen come with that $400 or
01:06:54
my friend? Yeah. Yeah. The Inksense Plus bundle which is the pen. Oh, it's only an additional
01:06:59
$30. These names are wild. Oh, so the $30 comes with the case and the pen.
01:07:05
Wow. Sorry. The ink inksense bundle. The pen and the case come for the $30.
01:07:10
Yeah. Yeah. So, it's $400 just for the BPMA Pro 2. Somebody has to rewind it. What David
01:07:15
just said. Oh, so the $30 comes with the case and the pen. Just you get $30 with the pen and the
01:07:22
case, which would be really sick. They just give you $30 with everything. If you pay an extra 30 bucks, you you
01:07:28
get the the case and the pen, which I think is a pretty good deal. Okay. Um Yeah. And it comes in black and white, but the black sucks and the white
01:07:35
is awesome. So, you said writing with the pen's pretty awesome, right? Yeah, the pen has pretty seamless, pretty much instantaneous
01:07:42
feedback where it just like it just shows up on the screen immediately. Can we try? Yeah, we can try it.
01:07:47
You should hold it up to the microphone for the ASMR of the pen on the surface. Is this like a nice like feeling surface
01:07:53
to write on? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Kind of sounds nice. It's Yeah, it does sound like
01:07:58
Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited. I want to mainline
01:08:06
this for a while because I've been using I've been using the BS Palma 2 for a very long time. So
01:08:11
there you have it. We finally got it. I I want to play with that later. What's the name of the AI assistant? Does it have a name?
01:08:17
It just says AI assistant. Yeah. I don't know yet what the AI assistant does. I'm surprised it doesn't have a name cuz
01:08:24
books is already like a pretty creative name. You'd think they would have went hard.
01:08:30
His name is like pager. I don't know. Can we do trivia, please? Yes, spooky trivia.
01:08:36
BS also makes like tablets and stuff under the BS brand. Just saying. Cool.
01:08:42
Uh, so Daniel Ek, CEO of Spotify, was also the
01:08:49
CEO of what torrenting company briefly in 2006.
01:08:55
Oh, wow. He's not surprised. I didn't know this company had a CEO. I just assumed like I assumed it was a
01:09:01
bunch of guys in like a shipping container somewhere like like breaking the law. Full credit. Eric told me this this
01:09:07
morning and I did not believe him and I looked it up and it was true. Okay, that's good. Wait, a torrenting person turned into
01:09:12
the Spotify? Correct. That's fantastic. Incredible. That's so good.
01:09:18
So, no matter what we write down, it's going to be pretty incredible. I feel like all the torrenting sites at that time were looked exactly the same
01:09:24
with just a different logo and color scheme. This is good. He's a pirate. This is a good question for the pirate man. It's
01:09:30
true. All right, now we'll be right back. [Music]
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Uh, specifically, we're going to be doing a blind candy ranking where we give our hosts a series of pieces of
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Halloween candy that they must rank from. It was supposed to be 1 to 10, but I got a lot of fun candy. So, maybe we
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can make it 1 to 12. Okay. So, I'm gonna say 1 to 12. Olivia, I'm sorry in advance because I
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what I'm going to need you guys to do is each eat the piece of candy that we hand to you and then agree on where it falls
01:13:04
on the ranking without knowing what will come next. Okay. Are you guys ready? As an experienced Halloween
01:13:11
trick-or-treat, I may not need to eat most of these to know where I want to put them on the rock.
01:13:16
Uh, no, no, no. That's not optional. We are working together on this.
01:13:22
Correct. You are working together on this. You must come to a consensus of where everything ranks.
01:13:27
Should we get a baseline between the three of us of just out of the blue, what is your favorite piece of Halloween
01:13:33
candy? to know of like if right now you had like I'm sorry in advance for my answer.
01:13:39
Well, I just want to know like if it popped up, you're immediately number one. No questions asked. I
01:13:44
think generally Twix for me. I totally I don't know if I agree, but
01:13:50
you could convince me, but my top candies are incredibly unpopular, unfortunately. But I like
01:13:57
Reese's. I like Skittles and Starburst. I really like Starburst jelly beans.
01:14:02
Have you had those? I love Starburst Jones. They're really good. But my top two are candy corn and dots.
01:14:08
Candy corn is candy corn. Candy corn is sick. Dots is Wait, is this a whole room of candy corn
01:14:13
enjoyers? That is so rare. So good. I love candy corn. Usually somebody I get a grown out of
01:14:18
that. Usually give me the flavor. Dots gives me all grown at Dots. The flavored wax. Dots is like once a year.
01:14:24
That's why it's like good Halloween candy cuz I only eat candy corn once a year. Wait, Mark, why did I think you liked
01:14:30
Dots? I know he does. He just top two. That's my top two. But they make you grown, Andrew.
01:14:35
Yes. Okay. Well, it's a lot of chewing. On that note, the first candy
01:14:41
is dots. Oh, wow. Go.
01:14:47
All right. Well, guys, I'm not eating anything. Just kidding. It's the hardest thing to chew. I will eat it. Yeah. Unfortunately, the variety pack
01:14:54
that Alex bought only had one thing of dots in it, which was crazy. As it should. There's like 60 pieces of can
01:15:01
one. Okay, I will say those are better than I remember. There you go. Similarly as Chewy, there's a little bit
01:15:07
of um aftertaste along the lines of the stuff the dentist used to clean your teeth.
01:15:13
E, that's which isn't my favorite, but it's pretty good. I don't think I can agree with one.
01:15:19
It's not one. It's not one. I like it. I will go. It's top two and it's not two.
01:15:26
Don't even know what the other ones are. There's I can't put this top.
01:15:32
I'm not settling for anything out of the top half. Whatever you Oh, no. No. I agree. I'll go top half. I like five.
01:15:38
Five. Five out of 12. Five out of 12. We're going to get four better than this. It's the first pick.
01:15:43
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Dots in at number five. Candy number two. Uh, another palemical
01:15:50
one. Uh, candy number two is the blue dude. PMIC. Poly
01:15:58
controversial. Nope. Just means people people get angry. Uh, Almond Joy. Oh, I love Almond Joys.
01:16:04
I love You guys know how I feel about almonds? I thought that was over. Damn.
01:16:09
What do you feel about almonds? You felt joyful about almonds. I didn't tell you how I feel about almonds. No. Oh, I think you could just get rid of
01:16:15
almonds and nothing of value would be lost. Oh my god. Almond, this conversation
01:16:20
again. And besides the water, I can say I will be with you. Similar to the rankings, cuz I'm not a huge coconut
01:16:26
person. This is so good. Oh my god.
01:16:32
This is top two and it's not two. I'm also not a huge coconut person. This is so good.
01:16:38
Marquez, I I'm interested where you are. You're under dots for this. I'm with you under dots. No, he's above dots, so I can tell.
01:16:44
It's No, it's below dots. It's It's better than expected. And it's not because of the almond.
01:16:50
This is so much better than You like the coconut? I like the coconut part. I'm getting I'm warming up to coconut, but this still just is not my favorite.
01:16:57
How do you feel about the uh what's the Girl Scout cookie? The Samoa. No, no,
01:17:02
it's got a different name now, I believe. Yeah, I think it's tagline. Yeah, Samoa. Tag. How do you feel about about Samoas?
01:17:08
I don't love them. Okay, so this reminds me of Samoa. Mhm. I put this six four.
01:17:15
I'll go six. I think six cuz I'm scared of the back half, but I I think I like Dots more. I'm I've been turning into a
01:17:21
gummy candy person lately, so maybe Dots is just hitting different as of now. So, six. Six.
01:17:26
We're putting six. Oh my gosh. These are David wants wants it like one or two. But Almond Joy is so much better than dots.
01:17:33
Dots are fine. I'm going to try to not give you all the super chewy ones in succession to like
01:17:38
keep your jaws alive through this. But thank you. But but more dots will be fine. Well, they're not dots, but they are a special
01:17:46
Halloween edition. Laffy Taffy Wild Berry Banana Laffy Taffy.
01:17:51
Oh, that flavor sounds wild. My jaw got tired listening to Ellis say
01:17:57
what it was. Is that my first misthrow? Damn. I don't remember what a Laffy Taffy tastes like.
01:18:03
Having a joke on every rapper was one of the my favorite things about Oh, I didn't know that until I just read it right now. So,
01:18:08
yeah. You think it's just regular taffy? Yeah. Yeah. I want to read. Can I read my jokes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:18:13
What do you do if you see a blue mango? You try to cheer it up.
01:18:19
Oh, okay. My answer to that Wait, I don't get that. How does that make sense? A blue mango. Sad. Mango. Blue.
01:18:25
Oh. Oh, okay. All right. My answer to that is you you enjoy watching them play at the stadium
01:18:33
cuz like Blue Mang Group. Blue Mang Group. Blue. I'm more with you on that one. Mine has two jokes.
01:18:38
Blue Mang. Yeah. Two jokes. Oh yeah, everyone has two jokes. Yeah. Oh, I have the blue mango one.
01:18:45
What's your other one, David? Do you have what do you call two bananas? No. Two colors. What is the most required skill to work
01:18:51
in a juice factory? Oh, ask Juicero. Um, damn. I don't know.
01:18:58
A good ability to concentrate. Oh, I like that.
01:19:03
Oh, wait. Sorry. Go ahead. Mine's What do you call two bananas? Mine says that, too. A pair of slippers. Yeah, we got the
01:19:10
same thing. Slippers. Oh, we got the same two jokes. Why is this? Why are they slippers? Mario Kart.
01:19:15
This is concerning. The colors. I don't like the way this one tastes. I'm going to end up eating plastic.
01:19:21
It was less chewy than the dots somehow. What? No, it wasn't. Yeah, it was.
01:19:26
No, it wasn't. Considering I think it was less chewy. I was surprised at how not chewy it was. If you wanted
01:19:31
to eat a single dot versus a bite of Laffy Taffy, put a dot in one side of your mouth and
01:19:37
a bite of Laffy Taffy on the other side of your mouth and see which one finishes first. Softer. I think it takes longer to chew.
01:19:44
God, that was time in mouth is over. I took a small and it's stuck inside
01:19:51
like in between my teeth. Get it out. It's worse than dot. I'm agreeing. I just think it's less chewy.
01:19:56
Let's say 10 or 11. 11. 11. 11. I'll go 11 on that. 10 or 11.
01:20:02
I think there's going to be some gross stuff and at least I'll know it's gross. I had some I'll go 10. Optimism. 10.
01:20:08
I think 10. I would I would do 10. Okay. 10. All right. 10. Great. Tootsie Roll level of like
01:20:14
You don't like Tootsie. We're going to get No. What? They're What are you t They're so good. Who likes Never mind.
01:20:19
I like Tootsie Rolls more than this. I like Tootsie Rolls more than Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Sorry. Tootsie Rolls are a high value for you.
01:20:27
Those are the brown chewy things. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about flavored Tootsie Rolls? I've never had them.
01:20:32
They're crazy. The the blue ones vanilla. Tootsie Rolls are like if um Yahoo drinks were a chewy candy.
01:20:40
When you go Halloween shopping and you see the Tootsie Rolls, you like go right past them to the rest of the You can't cuz it's inside of every
01:20:47
package. I don't have classic Tootsie Rolls on this list, but should I go grab them? No, we know they're bad.
01:20:53
Okay. Well, I do have orange flavored Tootsie Rolls. also the
01:20:58
chewiest thing in existence. But okay. Are these are these too small to throw across the studio? No, we got
01:21:03
We've got athletes. I've got perfect vision right now.
01:21:10
Just hit him in the face. That was really good.
01:21:17
Are you okay? Yeah. I've got a mask on. That's good. It's not the first That's probably like
01:21:22
the sixth time I've been hit with something in the face on video. You have to zoom in on camera. Oh my god. Okay.
01:21:27
Zoom into that on camera. Guys, how are we feeling? It's really Oh, yeah. Chewing. Chewing.
01:21:33
It was better in the first half. I will say got kind of worse. Definitely the first half. Not I'm not sure.
01:21:39
Okay. Definitely better. Better than the Laffy Taffy. Seven for sure. Way way better than the classic Tootsie
01:21:45
Roll just because the orange. I like orange things. I think citrus and candy go well together.
01:21:50
Yeah, I have it seven. I like seven. I'll go seven. So it should have been
01:21:56
six and Almond Joy should have been higher. Well, I'm 5, six, seven, and 10 are what we
01:22:02
currently have. So you have 12, 11, 9, 8, 4, 3, 2, 1. Wait, so how many is that? Four.
01:22:08
You have four so far. We've done four. You've done four. Yeah. Okay, we got to start looking in top
01:22:14
five here because presumably at worst half of these are Ellis
01:22:19
concoctions. So, okay, let's open our eyes to the ones we've heard of
01:22:24
before. This next one, you know, I've heard Marquez, you like orange things, Andrew. Citrus and candy go well
01:22:31
together. I saw what you had. I think there I have a little treat from across the pond. This is a personal favorite of
01:22:37
mine. This is a Tererry's dark chocolate orange. And I'm not going to throw this
01:22:42
one. I'm going to bring it over to you because I don't know if this is not throwable. Do they have funsized
01:22:48
versions of these for trick-or-treating? Or would you go to a house and take one of the pieces out of it? Or would it be
01:22:54
a sweet house and you get the whole orange? Ideally, the whole orange. That's a sick house.
01:22:59
Yeah, that's like the one you want to go to. Yeah, that's the one where like when you're walking around later, you tell all your
01:23:04
friends about and you're like, "Go to that house cuz they're giving out whole Oh, this is an enormous piece of candy."
01:23:10
Have you never had one of these? My father-in-law loves these. So, it's the size of an orange, but it's
01:23:15
a bunch of slices. And even each individual slice is like pretty big.
01:23:20
I just shocked myself on the Mac Studio and my screen stopped flickering.
01:23:27
Okay. So, I just I guess I reggrounded it. Andrew's enjoying it. I love this.
01:23:34
This doesn't taste as good as our We might disagree on the ranking then. Well, here's my thing. This is Halloween candy rankings, correct?
01:23:40
This is very good. Yeah. I'm wondering in the Halloween list where this is I Is that a different list?
01:23:47
I feel like it's just the list getting it at while knocking at the door on the house. I would be very happy if I got one of
01:23:53
these. True. You get the whole thing. The whole thing and then your mom's like, "You can have one piece of candy tonight." You just
01:23:59
rip open the giant orange. Giant orange. I prefer this to the fruit chew. I will admit I'm not a big dark
01:24:05
chocolate person. So this was this is low for me. This is below the Laffy Taffy. really laugh.
01:24:12
Yeah, this is I can't I have to have this as a nine. That's unbelievable.
01:24:18
Four. This is top five for me for what we currently have going. It's above everything else. I need a consensus. And unfortunately,
01:24:25
but you don't have anything between four and eight available. So, you need to make a call. Is it top four or is it
01:24:30
bottom four? Cannot be. I guess it's eight then cuz I can't. This is not better than Dots and Almond
01:24:37
Joy. This is the orange Tootsie Roll. What's coming next? This is I but I don't like dark
01:24:42
chocolate. Like I specifically don't If this was milk chocolate, I might be okay with putting it for Okay. Well, can you put your taste aside
01:24:50
and imagine a dark a milk chocolate or imagine you liking the game?
01:24:55
It's not the game. I'm coming up from 11 to eight. I guess technically we're going the same
01:25:02
amount of way if David and I said four. It's about the same. So, I think we're going to regret this eight.
01:25:07
Number eight. Okay, come on, man. Oo. Anyway, guys, you know what's better
01:25:13
than candy? I'm looking at I am nervous about this
01:25:18
money. Baked beans. Oh, god. Why specifically? No one gives this out on Halloween. Boston baked beans.
01:25:25
Wait, what? Candy I have never heard of before yesterday. Where'd you find it?
01:25:31
I found this at Economy Candy in lower Manhattan. Whoa. like with the rest of the Halloween
01:25:36
candy. I spent company money on this, but it was still a really great experience. So, I get they they should have a shout out.
01:25:42
Economy Candy. H economy candy. That feels like where you would find baked beans as a candy.
01:25:48
That is in fact where I found baked beans as a candy. Anyway, uh you guys don't have a nut allergy, do you?
01:25:53
Nowhere to eat. That's your four candy bars late to Wait a second. You guys have a nut
01:26:00
allergy. So, the company is Boston Baked Beans, and it says artificially flavored candycoated peanuts.
01:26:06
I don't Do they taste like beans? I really hope not. That would be so dumb. It's better than I expected it to
01:26:12
be. You have me, too. 12 11 9 and then 4 through one available.
01:26:17
It's not above dots. It can't be above dots. Above dots. What do you know what has to be above
01:26:23
dots? the deeper we go into this, we're breaking all the blind ranking rules of
01:26:28
Look, either there's two possibilities here. Either Ellis saved all of the good candies for
01:26:34
last or Ellis somehow found four even worse candies than these and our
01:26:39
rankings will be upside down and that's okay. Great. I love your optimism. It's going to be the next one are going
01:26:45
to be Twix, Three Musketeers, Reese's. It's going to be classic. Skittles, Starburst, jelly beans, candy corn,
01:26:51
fish paste, the good stuff. No, there's no there's no seafood. I couldn't find seafood. I think this is Let's put this in at
01:26:57
nine. Okay, nine. Are there going to be two worse than this? Probably, right? This is four for
01:27:02
me. This is not better than Almond Joy. I don't I agree. But Almond Joy should be higher up.
01:27:09
Look, all of our all of our rankings as we insert them will be correct until
01:27:14
they're all wrong. They're already all wrong. They're all right so far. No, they're not.
01:27:20
No, they're not. We have nine open. Are we really putting this on nine? Well, I don't think it's 11 or 12.
01:27:27
It's not 11 or 12. So now 11. All we have left is 1 2 3 4 11 or 12. Oh my god. Fun dip.
01:27:33
That's not even candy, is it? What is it? It's sugar. It's candy you dip in more candy.
01:27:38
Yeah. I just realized that the full name of Fun Dip is lickade.
01:27:44
That's disgusting. It's like lemonade that you lick. Lemonade powder. And I'm going to bring
01:27:50
this one over, too, because one of the Fun Dips uh burst open while in transit, and so I spent way too much time
01:27:58
yesterday cleaning fun dip off of this desk. It was no fun whatsoever.
01:28:04
Why are there two? Because you have to open the left side. Funip had this. I don't know. Oh.
01:28:11
Oh, wait. Open horizontally.
01:28:17
Yeah, that's David. This is your first fun dip. Okay. So, David, inside that package is a
01:28:22
stick made out of pure white sugar and then a packet of powder, which I assume
01:28:28
you've just discovered. Yeah. You lick the the sugar stick and then
01:28:34
dip it in the powder. Powder is kind of good. M. Try it with the stick. It's blue, but
01:28:40
it turns green. Can I open the other side? Yeah. Horizontally. What? Like across the top?
01:28:46
Oh, like that? Oh, that's how you're supposed to open it. How are kids supposed to know that? If I didn't even know that. I feel like it's like tacet kid.
01:28:53
They just know. Yeah. You know how like when baby giraffes are born, they can walk within minutes?
01:28:58
Stephen, are you are you dipping it in the table pile? Do you know how like when Neo was
01:29:04
invented, it couldn't do anything? This is The white thing tastes really good. I could say four for this. I like it.
01:29:10
I don't hate it. I'm okay with that. Objectively, it's not for, but I think
01:29:16
given where we're at, I got it all over the Boos Palmer Pro, too. I like how they were like, "Hey, we
01:29:22
could just make the stick with the blue sugar and it you would just eat it."
01:29:28
I think I would put They're like, "No, let's make a slightly worse tasting sugar and now dip it in the blue sugar." Yeah, I have my I have my own rankings
01:29:35
here as well that I might share after. But yeah, I in general, we only have one, two,
01:29:41
three, four, or 11 or 12 open right now. M. And this is not worse than the Boston baked beans or the Laffy Taffy.
01:29:47
So I I guess it's four. Four. I'll go four. Four. Unanimous four. Unanimous four.
01:29:53
Up next, we have another jaw tester. Oh no. Movie theaters everywhere. Fear them.
01:29:59
Milk duds. They're milk duds. Oh god. I've heard of these. This Oh, you haven't had these? This is
01:30:04
chocolate dots. They taste They taste delicious, but they destroy your teeth. Chocolate dots. It's chocolate dots.
01:30:10
The theme of They are hella good though. audio listeners have been missing Ellis's perfect throws this entire episode.
01:30:16
Shout out to Ellis. I've caught everyone also. It's been really good. Oh my god, I love these. My grandma may she rest in peace.
01:30:22
Really love these. No. Yeah, she had good taste. She got them every time I went to a
01:30:28
movie. Oh, ew.
01:30:37
That is like plastic a little bit. Okay, it gets better. They don't. Does it? I don't know.
01:30:43
These are the chewiest. Sorry, Grandma. I don't know. I don't know about that. Is it better than Laffy Taffy?
01:30:49
No. Unfortunately, this is No, I don't know. I think I might should have been 12.
01:30:54
The eating experience is compromised. Guys, I need a number. Is it top three
01:31:01
or bottom? I think it's bottom two. I think it's top three. It's bottom two. I'm on bottom two.
01:31:07
I'm hearing I'm hearing a lot. Our list is so you you audibly said ew when you ate it,
01:31:12
Dave. Yeah, but it got better. I think in the scenario we're at now.
01:31:18
I'm in bottom two. 11, you think? Yeah. Okay. For the context of this, don't
01:31:24
think of it as it's three or it's 11. Think of it as it's three or it's four. One of the best or one of the worst
01:31:30
because we're we can't change the other ones. Agreed. And our list is messed up. So is it is it three or is it four?
01:31:37
Marquez has held that ever since we put dots at not one. Dots are still my number one. Um,
01:31:42
so you think it's four. Here's where it goes in my actual rankings. Um, four out of the remaining possible
01:31:48
five. I think it's Yeah, I think it' be three. It's like mid.
01:31:53
That was pretty hard to eat. Yeah, I wouldn't buy it ever. I think the line of would I buy it ever
01:31:59
is right here for me. Anyway, let's go 11. I think 11. Sorry, David. I'm with 11 on this one.
01:32:05
Damn. I guess it's willing to take the risk. I think I'm just in the category of we're taking the risk now
01:32:11
and we're I'm trying to join the optimism. Skittles. Ellis, come on. Skittles. This one is very similar to Skittles.
01:32:17
It's It's like I would describe it as like a Skittles analog, but guys, first you need to tell me,
01:32:23
have you ever like really really really wanted to eat soap?
01:32:30
I did and it sucked. It was No, not intentional. You've never wanted to eat soap? I've
01:32:35
never won. No, I've never won these. Then I don't I'm sorry. Uh would you
01:32:41
please bring these to our contestants, Adam? I did not know this product existed.
01:32:47
This is edible candy bubble juice with a bubble blowing wand. What?
01:32:52
God, please do not spill this on our students. This is bad teaching. Bubble. It's birthday cake. Really
01:32:59
dangerous. Yeah, kids are definitely So, the whole thing So, so to be clear,
01:33:05
just for for audio listeners, it looks like a clear tube of like bubble soap,
01:33:11
like bubble blowing soap with a little wand that you blow bubbles with, but the entire
01:33:16
contents of it are edible. Mhm. I don't know. I didn't really read the label. You never had this before? No.
01:33:21
What are the chances we could blow a bubble and someone catches it in their mouth? That's what you're supposed to do. You blow the bubbles and then you catch them
01:33:26
and the bubbles are sweet and delicious. Really? This one is birthday cake flavored. Not only is this a horrible product, but
01:33:33
it's a super bad idea. Burst all over my face, dude. Jesus.
01:33:39
Taking clear should automatically be fruit flavored. So making clear birthday cake flavored
01:33:45
is They did have clear ones that were fruit flavored. I just Ew. It's like dripping all over me. Jesus.
01:33:50
I'm not going to blow bubbles. I'm just going to taste it. It's dripping all over me. It tastes a little bit like bubble soap. Do not
01:33:56
drink solution. says, "Lick only in bubble form." Okay, sweet. I just stuck the whole in my mouth.
01:34:02
I did, too. And my throat is burning. And kids are not going to read that and they're going to do the same thing.
01:34:08
Ew. This has to be Wait, this kind of hurts. This is bad. I'm so glad we left 12. If solution gets into eyes, rinse eyes
01:34:15
with water. This sounds pretty toxic, bro. 12.
01:34:20
That's 12. Easy. 12. The highlight, the absolute best part was that when I opened it, it smelled like birthday cake
01:34:26
for a second. And then everything after that point was miserable. Yeah, my mouth.
01:34:31
Dead last. Can't believe they just got money out of us. That was terrible. Yeah, my throat hurts. Skittles. Ellis Skittles.
01:34:38
Reese's Starburst. There has to be. Guys, this next candy is also, I would
01:34:44
say, a Skittles analog. Wait, how is this a Skittles analog? I lied. Okay,
01:34:50
it's not. Okay. This one though is both round and colorful.
01:34:56
All right. It is cult classic candy of the ages. Candy buttons. For those I don't know if
01:35:03
this is a thing outside the US. Um it's essentially pieces of sugar dotted onto
01:35:08
a long piece of receipt paper. Yeah. It's like candy acid.
01:35:13
I love these personally. These are my out of everything here would probably be Oh, yeah. No, eating the paper is also
01:35:19
part of it. naturally or just like Well, I mean, it's just I've never had one without a little bit.
01:35:24
It's edible paper. No, but I've just never eaten one without paper on it. Anything eaten after Candy Bubbles is
01:35:31
like a steer. This is so so much better. This is like quintessential like five
01:35:37
and dime store like pick up candy from it. Yeah. Looks like David's eating a second one.
01:35:49
Oh, good crunch. That one was a different flavor. Three. Three. Three. Or two.
01:35:55
Three. Do we want to leave it open in case it's bad? We just have to embrace the shop. So,
01:36:00
embrace the nightmare that is one in 10. This is all right. I'm like trying to imagine Marquez is going to leave this room and go find all
01:36:06
the good candy and eat it just to feel something after. I'd maybe say one or two. I mean, two.
01:36:12
There's no world. someone that this is the best Halloween candy out of the the two we have left. Don't
01:36:18
think about it what we've already tried. I have to. You can't. You have to think about it what we might have left.
01:36:23
In a world where we have one, two, and three open and we're ranking best Halloween candy and we open this wrapper
01:36:29
and eat this. We have to put three. Don't know what the other two. We have to put three. What if they're better?
01:36:34
There's no way. Or what if they're worse? They can't be worse, dude. We just had bubble bubble.
01:36:41
Ellis wouldn't do this to us. You think Elvis would do this to us? Yeah, 100%. Look at this man.
01:36:46
Yeah. Do you think he would give us candy worse than this? Absolutely. He's probably saving the worst one for last.
01:36:52
I think he would die if you drank this. Oh, wait. Do you know what I forgot? What? Ellis put a spoon in front of all of us.
01:37:00
You do all have spoons. Oh, this could suck. That's really bad. With one open.
01:37:07
What kind of Halloween candy do you give to kids that requires a I don't remember ever saying Halloween when I picked
01:37:13
this. You opened this as Halloween. It just happens to be Halloween and we're supposed to be unrelated. Adam,
01:37:19
play the tape. Specifically, we're going to be doing a blind candy ranking where we give our
01:37:25
hosts a series of pieces of Halloween candy that they must rank. See, now you
01:37:30
all know that I'm right. My ear or wrong. You're definitely wrong. All right, guys. This next one um
01:37:36
needs no introduction. Oh, okay. That is teabberry gum. Okay. You Ella said they're going to have to spit this
01:37:42
out and I was like, "Oh, I'm not going to eat this, but I'll sniff it." They're multiple pack. I don't know.
01:37:48
Oh, I'll try. I I got This was the one I got where I was like, "That sounds
01:37:54
I'm not going to smell. I'm just going to go You can spit it out to the paper towels that we put in front of you."
01:38:01
Is that like good producers? You somehow managed to give us worse candy every single time. So, it has a
01:38:07
hint of flavor of every type of gum I can imagine in this stick form, but just like the LCroy version of it.
01:38:14
Mhm. Like I almost get a sense of Big Red. I almost get a sense of Spearmman. Well, is it number one or number two?
01:38:20
Unfortunately, with the way things are trending, this probably should be number one, but this is number two. Yeah. See my See, see my perspective.
01:38:26
Look at this list. Are you proud of Look at this list. Are you asking if I'm proud of myself? Look at this list, Marquez. This could
01:38:32
have been number three. Just saying. If we put the buttons as number two at this point, bubble juice being 12, we
01:38:39
succeeded. Whatever Ellis pulls out that bag, we have to say is better than all of these candies.
01:38:44
Yeah, it will probably better than this though at the minimum, right? That's what I thought about the last
01:38:50
three. Okay, I we'll see. We'll see. All right. So, what are you doing? Putting it one or two?
01:38:55
Two. Two. All right. Teaberry gum at number two. I'm ready for the chaos, gentlemen. All right. Get out your
01:39:02
spoons. The best candy you chose as chosen by
01:39:07
you. Yeah. Waveform's official best candy ever. That's crazy.
01:39:13
Crazy work. Gentlemen, I am It's like sunscreen. I am going to ask you
01:39:19
what to squeeze the ooze tube.
01:39:24
It's not What is it? Is that aloe? It is. It is ooze tube liquid candy
01:39:31
by sweet bandit. It is green apple flavor. I This could slap. Just saying. I'll go
01:39:38
first. If the only reason that some of these companies are are still in business is
01:39:43
because what was it called? The economy candy store exists. Is that what it was? Is that what it was
01:39:49
called? Yeah. Economy candy on Rivington in lower Manhattan. It's really fun. You should go. That is probably the only place that you
01:39:55
will find ooze tube liquid candy. Green apple flavored. Green apple slaps. I'm ready. Knock
01:40:02
yourself out. All right, Marquez has just bypassed. The only thing Did you Was this sealed?
01:40:09
Yeah, I did break the seal. Okay, thank goodness. All right, audio listeners, Andrew is emptying the ooze tube into his spoon,
01:40:18
brother. That's so much. It's really stringy, but it also it does have sort of the consistency of aloe
01:40:23
vera. Let's go. We'll go together. Wait, Marquez, you're not doing this. No. Why? Why?
01:40:30
Look at it. Yeah, I actually think this is going to be good. I mean, we know it's good because it's literally the number one candy according
01:40:36
to Waveform podcast host. If we flip this list upside down, it's actually better. That would put the bubble juice at
01:40:41
number one. Marquez, it would also put caffeine and milk duds above beans. This is a melted green apple
01:40:48
Jolly Rancher. Yeah, it's pretty good. Doesn't like face.
01:40:55
It literally tastes like a green apple Jolly Rancher. That's probably a compliment. That's kind of a compliment. Notice we didn't
01:41:00
get Jolly Ranchers. It's burning my throat. Maybe. It's number one.
01:41:06
Way worse. Could have been number one. All right. Actually, out of the last three things we ranked, this was the best out of all.
01:41:11
Just to just to go back over this list, we picked ooze tube green apple flavor number one. Teaberry gum number two.
01:41:21
Candy Buttons number three. That's what I'm saying, man. Fun dip number four. Dots five. Almond
01:41:27
Joy six. Orange Tootsie Roll seven dark chocolate orange eight Boston baked
01:41:32
beans nine Laffy Taffy 10 milk duds 11 bubble juice couldn't escape it had to
01:41:39
go 12 I'm saying when you're putting if you're doing a blind list you're doing the next one you have to just think of
01:41:44
it in comparison to everything that could come after but not the things you've already done I just want to let you guys know before you do individual
01:41:51
rankings sitting on my desk unused candies are KitKat Reese's Hershey's and Twizzlers
01:41:57
[Laughter] Wow. You heard that? You heard that? The good
01:42:02
stuff. What we could have had was a good list and they actively chose to make this bad.
01:42:08
When you're doing a blind ranking, there's two ways you can do it, right? Like you can have your contestants fill up all the the top ones really early. So
01:42:15
then you got to choose the good candies and force them to put it in the bottom. Or you can do what happened here where you fill up the bottom really quick and
01:42:22
then let me just ruin your morning. All right. So, in case you're wondering, I've been keeping track of all these candies and how I would have ranked them if this wasn't a blind ranking. So, Dots
01:42:30
one, orange fruit chew. It's not even Oh, Tootsie Roll. It is Tootsie Roll. Yeah.
01:42:36
Orange Tootsie Roll 2, Almond Joy three, Laffy Taffy four, Milk Duds five, Baked Beans six, and then it's just all
01:42:42
downhill from here. Fun dip seven cotton candy buttons
01:42:47
eight dark chocolate orange nine ooze tube 10
01:42:54
gum 11 and poison 12. You didn't even have the ooze tube and
01:43:00
it still made it to 10. That was based purely on Andrew's description. I'm just uh I'm not going to do my whole
01:43:06
one. I'm just going to say the only thing I think people will be upset about with Marquez is the chocolate orange. I don't know, man.
01:43:13
Almond Joy. I'm gonna go Almond Joy number one. Um, the
01:43:21
baked baked beans. Chocolate number two. No, baked beans
01:43:27
number two. Chocolate number three. Um,
01:43:32
milk duds. Fun dip dots. Uh,
01:43:38
I don't know. It doesn't matter, man. I ultimately those are my top six. That's okay.
01:43:44
I think I should be rewarded for creating a candy list of which 16% was
01:43:51
liquid. That's not easy. It's pretty good. In Marquez's world, this candy list is perfect because that's got to be number
01:43:58
one on his list. Trivia. This is the messiest ever. Spooky trivia.
01:44:06
[Music] We may have to clarify the second question. Yeah,
01:44:12
guys, thin phones are in vogue right now, but they are not new. What phone
01:44:18
released? What phone released December 2014
01:44:24
had a total thick Is it thickness or depth or thickness? Yeah, sure. Thickness. What had a total
01:44:30
thickness of 4.8 mm?
01:44:35
[Music] It's between two that I'm thinking of.
01:44:44
But Adam said that the company was obvious. So if you're thinking around this time
01:44:50
period, companies that do crazy Yeah. What what was the time again? 2014. December.
01:44:55
December. So basically 2015, but 2014, whatever. Okay. I'm circling this one. All right.
01:45:02
I put the Moto Z. Ah crap. I think I got the name wrong. Oh.
01:45:08
Oh. Oh, I put the Moto G Play. I also put the Moto Z, but I'd crossed
01:45:13
out what I thought it was before, which was the Huawei like P2 or something.
01:45:19
I was thinking like the Sharp Aquos. It's a Sharp phone, right? It is not, but close. That's more along
01:45:25
the lines I was thinking of. Oh, the Moto Z is a great guess because that was only 5.2 2 mm thick, meaning you're
01:45:31
only 4 mm off. The phone I was looking for was the Vivo X5 Max.
01:45:36
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did look that up a few weeks ago. That was obvious. I thought Vivo would have been too
01:45:42
obvious. That's why I wanted you to get the like actual name. I guess they were more obvious in that since like 2017 18 trying all the crazy
01:45:50
stuff. Yeah, Moto Z was later, right? I thought it was later. Moto Z were upstairs. Notice he was
01:45:57
between 2015 and 2020. Yeah. All right. Second question. Quick update on the
01:46:03
score though. Marquez eight right behind Andrew the skeleton
01:46:09
with nine and David fishing up the rear with five.
01:46:14
Really? Yeah, you got five. I thought it was only like whatever. Okay. Well, the answer to the second question
01:46:20
Ellis accidentally told our hosts in between breaks. So it was Utorrent.
01:46:26
Daniel Ek was briefly the CEO of Utorrrent. So I have another question. Okay.
01:46:31
It's basketball related. Let's go. But David, you can actually maybe get this. Maybe Andrew, maybe you could get
01:46:38
this. Maybe. The question is, which NBA superstar has a deal currently with
01:46:45
Google? There's multiple answers. Aren't there a ton? Fitbit. I think we can accept any any NBA
01:46:52
superstar with a deal. Well, the Google deal, there's one in particular that's super obvious that David will not get. Yeah. There's another one that's
01:46:59
super obvious that I won't get more so that like he's the guy we've always been talking about as being this
01:47:04
guy, but you wouldn't know him because he's like I want that point. I remember you remember I'll do both. Two po Yeah.
01:47:11
two points. Screw it. So, a deal with Googlehead. Yes. A deal with Google. The one I was looking for specifically was a deal with
01:47:17
Fitbit. He's also a an investor in a bunch of No.
01:47:23
I don't know the answer to this question. Oh, nice. Okay, cool. So, you're supposed to put two answers. Yes. But David, think about someone you
01:47:29
would know. That is my hint to you. Who currently plays? Yep. Currently in the league.
01:47:36
There's two players. Have I met him before?
01:47:42
Maybe. Actually, maybe maybe. Or at least been in the same room with him. I don't know if you've met him.
01:47:48
Tony Hawk. No, I have met him like three times.
01:47:53
He's a Formula 1 driver. Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk. Nice. Look at him. I'm closing the cap.
01:48:00
Yay. Thank you. All right. Flip him and read. What do we got?
01:48:07
Oh, who wants to go first? I wrote Kevin Durant. No, but good job.
01:48:13
Yeah. I just know that that's a Yeah. basketball. And then Steph Curry. Steph Curry. Yeah,
01:48:19
correct. There it is. That's a one point for David. Andrew, what' you put?
01:48:25
I put Giannis. You got a point for that because that was the other one that we were talking about. Jiannis Antmpo, the human
01:48:31
alphabet. I wrote down the three basketball players that I know at Google Deals. I wrote Giannis Antmpo.
01:48:36
That is correct. One point. I spelled it. Wow. I'm waiting for my point. I'm waiting for my point. You got a point for that.
01:48:43
You got spelling it. Steph Curry. That is correct. You got
01:48:48
another point for that. Kelsey Plum. WNBA. Correct. Did I say NBA? Yeah, you probably did.
01:48:54
So, is Giannis the guy that got traded that everyone's freaking out about? No, that was Luca last year.
01:49:01
Is still like burning from the toxic acid that we just All right. Well, now this episode's
01:49:06
done. We're going to eat the rest of the good candy that you had in that bag over there. Kit Kats. Did I hear Twix
01:49:12
and Twizzlers and Hershey's? Reese's. He could have put Reese's. Can I see what it is in the top 10? And it's Reese's pumpkins, right?
01:49:18
No, it's just Reese's. Man, there's pumpkin flavored Reese's. No, there's the the like holiday Reese's
01:49:23
have the better ratio than regular Reese's. Oh, well, we're going to eat those. We're going to we're going to enjoy uh our lunch, of course. And uh thanks for
01:49:30
sticking with us for Techtober. What comes next? Tech November or Techvember. It doesn't roll
01:49:37
off the tongue as well. So, thanks for sticking with us for the one that does roll off the tongue well, unlike Fun Dip. Anyway, yeah, stick to your tongue
01:49:43
well. Catch you guys in the next video. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam and Ellis Roven are partnered with Vox Media
01:49:48
Podcast Network and Entra Music was created by Vinsil. Wait, can you do one? I think I slurred all of this.
01:49:54
Can you say one more? Waveform is produced by a minion and a wave waveform was produced by a pirate
01:49:59
and a minion. We were partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and Entertain
01:50:13
Spotify. But when they bought Utorrrent, it was speculated. Wait, did you just say the thing outside?
01:50:18
Wait, what? Yeah, you did. Oh, he totally did.
01:50:25
David didn't hear it. It was finally me. New question. I'm
01:50:31
sorry. Can I bring us back in? You're a wizard. You're a wizard, Adam. He's a pirate, actually. He's a pirate.
01:50:37
I'm a pirate, actually. Yeah.
