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the other day I realized that I don't know how boats work and it really started to bother me what what's the
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what part of it yeah what part I specifically didn't look them look it up because I was like I feel like I want
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one thing that just feels like magic that's like trivia question why boats don't sink like how they work I I saw a cruise ship and I was like that thing is like a thousand tons
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all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew nah I'm David and this week I like our topic list we've got a bunch of random stuff but they all
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are really interesting topics so Tesla's Next Generation Chargers are about to get a lot faster and probably more
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compatible with a lot of cars uh Google is pressuring developers to make tablet versions of apps
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and finally and uh Google Assistant tricked me yeah and Google Assistant might be getting a
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generative AI support which can be really interesting because there's also rumors about Siri adding it and then a bunch of people going now they're probably not doing that uh also the next
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iPhone might be titanium and much more expensive let's talk about it but first the last video we put out uh was I finally reviewed my roof
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never thought that would be a sentence but it's a it's a tech roof it's a solar roof it's a Tesla's solar panels that have been on my roof for 12 full months
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yeah four completely different seasons of performance um and I put the video out it was
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actually really interesting I didn't know how to package this video I'm just like I put together this whole video
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it's 30 minutes long what do I title this what do I do I just title it Tesla solar roof review does anybody even care about the Tesla solar turns out everyone cared about the Tesla it was fascinating
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seeing the reactions actually in real time when I first published the video and we'd worked for like the last the
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final hour on the thumbnail and it goes live and I think after the first hour it was like a seven or eight out of ten and
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I was like that's about right for a roof yeah I know I spent a ton of time on this but it's it's a roof like who's gonna care about
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this and I think I answered comments for a little bit I drove home when I got home I ate and then I looked at the at
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YouTube again and it was a three out of ten I was like oh people are actually like sort of it's like picking up a little
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bit of steam went to sleep woke up the next morning it was a one out of ten it's been a one out of ten trending and it was it was trending people there's
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like 10 000 comments on it and people are very interested uh the summary is uh I mean watch the video If you really want to know a lot about this roof we get into the weeds the numbers the
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details uh on the payback period the cost the durability the performance the Easter eggs the snow sheets sliding off
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my roof and blocking my front door all that stuff um I think the number one comment that I
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mostly got was oh my God you use a lot of electricity and I was like well yeah I I do I have an electric the main
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source the main draw of electricity for me is driving every single day an electric car and not a particularly
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efficient one it's a it's a Tesla Model S plaid every day it's like kind of a lot of
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energy um but yeah generally I learned a lot about not just how much electricity I use but how much each of the things in
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the house uses how much it uses at different parts of the day different seasons how much AC uses in the summer
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versus how much appliances used during the day it was just it was an interesting experience and I felt the need to summarize it all so it's out
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there I want to say that I'm very happy that this video did well because often there's an inverse relationship between
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the amount of effort you put into something and how well it performs that's true and especially something like this that like you can get really
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nerdy into if you really are interested but also like it's a pretty Niche topic and maybe not a lot of people are gonna
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like be super interested in it yeah your affiliate link isn't gonna generate a lot of sales in the description probably
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this one yeah yeah but it's it's it feels good to have something like a roof do well yeah especially since you sent
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like a year like researching it I did a long time and I wanted to review it after like a month or two but I was like
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well I know that I read a lot about like how different seasons will go so like I really need to take notes for the next
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like 12 months on how this goes so that's what we did also there's not a lot of products that you review that you
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need an explainer before you review them yeah so this is one of those where it's like most people will will never buy
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this or even think about buying this but need to understand it before I review it so that was the first part of the video
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totally so that was uh yeah I think those are all the seasons with it is also a great like it's really important
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that you have that data yeah so also I think the Tesla name probably helped check it out definitely and it ends up
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in the title it's not in the thumbnail it's on the title shout out to Brandon for working on that thumbnail he came up with like the little green tiles and
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stuff like that yeah uh yeah fun fact is the best month of the year in New Jersey for solar is May
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it was a it was a combination of like most of the days and may like you can see in the graphs that April showers
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bring May flowers you can see it go from cloudy every other day to sunny every single day it may except one and then funny enough June and July were like we get thunderstorms we also get a lot of
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heat and potentially uh that reduces the efficiency of the panels just interesting stuff we learned in that which is interesting because I would
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always think that like UV energy would be what would you know more you need the sun therefore there's he therefore that
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feels weird too yeah the efficiency exactly right I just don't understand themselves and be it in optimal
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efficiency right there are some really sure I think I learned a lot from the comments there are some people saying basically like you might get about the
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same amount of hours of Sun but at 20 degrees less temperature in May which is actually better for the panels wild so
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it's really cool crazy yeah it was cool to know cool I feel like that video does well too because not a lot of people have access to stuff like this like not
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everyone's gonna have a solar roof and if they do they're not going to point a camera and like make a YouTube video
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about it yeah like that's a few and far between true this was one of those products where and this happens a few
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times where before I buy it I believe I've watched every single video on youtube.com about the product from owners I think there's about 15 yeah which is really fascinating somewhere
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from roofers some are from buyers it's also one where like the thumbnail is really tough and I think having an
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established Channel then like helping automatically reach some people helps that because like we were looking at
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other thumbnails and I was like man yeah this just looks like a roof there's a the downside to having solar panels that
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look like roof tiles is the YouTube thumbnail you make about your roof later just really suffers yeah yeah but it's
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yeah that's that's super true but you know there are a lot of comments about people who are like I work in solar and
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this was a this was an accurate Fair good explainer represent I'm going to show this video to people I work with
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stuff like that um so even if it's not like a bunch of new people buying solar it is a bunch of new people understanding solar so I
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thought that was worth it but speaking of Tesla one of the first topics we want to talk about is Tesla's Next Generation
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superchargers are are I guess around the corner so V4 superchargers so for those
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who are in Tesla world we kind of refer to superchargers as like V1 V2 and V3 v1's being like 75 kilowatts V2 being up to 150 kilowatts sometimes 175 I think
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and then V3 is being the fast ones up to 250 kilowatts the the really nice new Fast superchargers with the thin cables and everything and if you can find one of those on the map take it that's the
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only way you're going to get a thousand miles an hour charging and they don't split energy like that's another one the V2s they kind of suck because you can
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get the whole 150 kilowatts if you're um if you're just don't have someone next to you and a stall next to you but
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if someone parks next to and plugs in it splits the energy so you only get like 75. yeah so there's like an 80 to always
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get 250. it's like urinal etiquette if you're the only one with the charger at a V2 and someone pulls up and parks next so you're like what are you doing dude don't you know how this works yeah
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so yeah v3s they they don't have to split anymore everyone gets full power so it looks like there's a new proposal
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for V4 superchargers that puts them at 350 kilowatts which is great because that would be you know if the cars support in the future that's that's literally a 30 improvement from current maximum
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charging power and uh also potentially a much longer cable so that's going to be
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important in this world that we're about to enter where there's a variety of shapes and sizes of cars that put the
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charging port in different places that are all going to start using the superchargers we saw your uh rivian
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trying to charge that was kind of a disaster it was tough for the F-150 like m150 lightning that's what it was yeah
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so it's it's going to depend on the car again there's still going to be you know differences and where they put
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the port on the car so I think there's going to be weird gaps and like oh two people are next to each other but they're both unable to charge weird
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stuff like that this cable is like way longer though yeah so so maybe do you think it's long enough for everyone to
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pull in forward because the idea is I don't know if some of them put the port at the front of the
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car like the F-150 Lightning and the Porsche taikan some of them put the port at the back of the car like like Tesla
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uh and like Audi and Portion some others or Porsches at the front but the idea is if people are facing opposite directions
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there's going to be weird gaps where like people park next to each other but they
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both were intending to use the same charger oh so maybe if the cable is long enough it can reach the back of any car
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and therefore everyone can park like back in facing the same direction I guess what this doesn't say in The
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Proposal is where it gets placed because right now it's pretty much it's not placed in the center of the park corner
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so if this is in the center of every parking spot as long as it can reach the let's say the it's on the left if the if
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it can reach the right side halfway point of the car you should cover everything yeah right
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if you're in the center of a spot as long as it can reach the opposite side center of the longest car you can have
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then you should be able to get front or back it won't mean that you can oh yeah it'll it'll reach everything but it
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won't mean that everyone can face One Direction no no I I think that's a tall task your cable would have to be like 20
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feet every car yeah that's yeah I mean that's better than V2 or V3 so for uh 350
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kilowatt hour right now you've basically only got the Porsche Titan and Kia ev6 that can charge at 350 kilowatt hour but
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yeah I think the ionic and the key are very similar right so okay they might be wasn't the ionic the fastest charging I think the Titan ones okay just 350
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kilowatt hours okay um but the Cyber truck theoretically if it ever comes out is also supposed to support 350 kilowatts so you know we'll
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get a slow transition of uh V4 Chargers slow expansion of other cars which is great because honestly we need cars that can charge faster than they currently do
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yeah yeah like we're trying to get to the point where you can just like gas nozzle five minutes that's the that's
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the goal that is a and I think that's a realistic goal I think if you you drive electric long enough you kind of learn
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like the best habits for charging like the lower your state of charge the faster you will gain battery yeah
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um but you're still no matter how good you are at it you're nowhere near a guess like if you have an empty tank and
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you plug in how long wait can I we just say you just called the charging port the gas in the nozzle and you just
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called gassing plugging in sorry that was good you guys like did the word switch with each other how long uh does
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it take to fill up a tank of gas tank literally like two to three minutes my gas is 10 gallon tank I think something like that 11. it takes like literally like two minutes yeah
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you have like a huge SUV or a truck yeah there's definitely no more than five yeah and if your max range on a full tank is like like 600 miles or something oh mine yeah four to four so I'm just
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but the math would be like that's like charging 200 miles a minute basically okay that's a good point because I got
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like 400 miles is still more than any EV so and you're doing it faster yeah so if you want to measure against gas just in
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terms of how far you can travel and how little time it takes for you to charge gas is approaching a thousand miles an
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hour yeah sorry electric is approaching a thousand miles an hour yeah at Peak charging rates a little a little over
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that right now and gas is 400 miles a minute so question for you guys so like when I for the EV owners here I mean when I fill up my tank I pretty much make sure that the tank is like as close
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to empty as it can be before I fill it up are you guys ever letting it like you're supposed to only charge when it's
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below 20 okay if you use a Supercharger so if you're at like 60 you're not pulling up to start charging definitely
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not yeah if you do it in your house then it's fine yeah like in my normal commute
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because I just have a regular V2 charger or whatever at home uh V2 meaning level two sorry uh I I get home at you know 70
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or whatever every day and I plug it in every night and I go back to up to 90. yeah and that's just like a normal habit if you're road tripping uh yeah you try
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to get as low as possible because that's number one when it charges the fastest the number two uh the most efficient way
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to charge as few times as possible yeah so would you like let it get low on a road trip and charge it up to like 60
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instead of all the way to 100 and just keep stopping more frequently but you charge it more efficiently it slows down
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about 80 yeah okay yeah the charging curve is like from zero to eighty it can amp up to or 0 to 70 ish it amps up to
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like a thousand miles an hour and then it dips to like 700 miles an hour until like 80 85 and then it goes really slow
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so if you were doing a road trip do you think you would charge up to 100 every time definitely not because it takes
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place it basically takes half an hour ish to charge from like zero to eighty percent and then takes another half an
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hour to get from 80 to 100 yeah yeah that's not too bad then it's not that bad as we saw on the road trip like if
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you work that in with getting food and stuff it doesn't actually take that much extra time but you still do have to think about like okay what other things
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can I do while I'm charging my car like yesterday I wrote this podcast while I charged my car nice so yeah but and even
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like ask on top like if you think about that road trip you guys were charging efficiently minus day one in the well
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Brandon and I were not trying to work but even in the efficiently the gas card smoked it because there's no charging curve and we were taking extra stops for food linear because like yeah but but
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again we say gas all that the one thing I always think about that's all for road trips when you guys talk about like
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charging to full and like every morning leaving your house full it's pretty clutch oh my God if you have no range
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anxiety on that uh if you have a garage and you can just always plug in when you get home and it doesn't matter that you're just trickling because in the
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morning you'll be at 90 100 yeah when I had my garage that I was paying 350 a month for it was like I literally never
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once thought about my range yeah yeah and only now is my lifetime that's such an awesome because it's not just nice
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waking up in the morning no you don't have to stop and like never but going home and being like
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um so low and I don't feel like stopping in the morning so I'm gonna go get gas now I know it's so little but just like
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I just want to get home yeah and I just want to wake up the next morning at full range yeah that kind of feels like a a
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wireless charger like my crappy five watt charger I just leave my phone on there and in the morning it's filled up
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yeah analogy of like how a wireless charger just always kind of has you ready if you're slowly doing it but like in a
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pinch a regular fast charger is like yes yeah like the same in that scenario that's so much nicer but when you're
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just like paying attention all the time and it's sitting on the wireless charger at night it's just there if my garage
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was like 200 a month and not 350 I would seriously consider it just for the ability to always although to I charged
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my car yesterday and it cost me forty dollars to fill to fill it to like 95 yeah it depends it seems like sometimes it is just as expensive as gas well it's
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getting to the point where it might be worth it for me to get the garage again because I was filling for free
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time that I'm saving like the hour every week that I'm saying yeah free charging I would if you I think it's worth it so
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350 a month yeah that's probably how much I spend in electricity and well I don't know I have to do the math but
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that seems like it's probably worth it especially for the Peace of Mind yeah and I'd have a place to park every day which would yeah a place to park
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which is expensive in the city and a place to get free electricity every day and you wake up with a full battery every day my car is costing me like so
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much money now so annoying it's a lot anyway I have one more quick question about this and I
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don't think it says it here but at what point do we think these so we're going to V4 they're going to start coming out
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do we think these are gonna start replacing V1 Chargers or do we think they're going to be full new because
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like even if you're replacing a V1 the infrastructure you probably need at this much different of a wattage is almost starting new but like at what point do you just not want V1 Chargers
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anymore because they're just slow it's a good question I mean V1 is it's slow but
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it's still much faster than any level 2 charger so like 75 kilowatts it's like I
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would be kind of disappointed in pulling up and figuring out it's it's a 75 kilowatt charger but I'd still do it
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just because I need it in a pinch yeah um I don't really know what Tesla strategy is as far as installing new
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Chargers it seems like they're they're launching new sites all the time yeah and I don't really see too many V2s
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being replaced by v3s I just seen new sites and their v3s so I don't know I I would have to look at a map and like see oh it turns out they are replacing a bunch of V2s with v3s I don't really know but I think when they pull out v4s
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there's just going to be a bunch of new sites all I know is that they're just gonna need a lot of new Chargers as
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everybody starts transitioning to nics so they have till 2025 theoretically yeah so those cards 2024
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is going to start having the adapters though that will come with like the Fords and stuff so like but I think as
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far as like roll out because most people don't get new cars immediately like you'll slowly start to see it roll out and then in 2025 2026 those those new
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cars will start hitting the road and you'll slowly start to see it ramp up so they have until then to to Really build
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a lot of new Chargers yeah like and other manufacturers that are not just Tesla true because they're just using
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the port so like another part of this proposal is that uh chargepoint 6000 series EB Chargers will now be 22
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kilowatt 72. it says an Associated equipment cabinets so basically it's pretty slow
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it's very slow yeah I mean currently charge point is literally like yeah so I mean there's gonna be a lot of third parties that have also signed on to use nacs
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um they can also build it out hopefully they're reliable at all unlike currently so that'd be nice
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um we basically just need there to be like as many Chargers as there are gas pumps and yeah yeah there's a headline
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in here who do you want to break this down it's sure it's about Google and Android yeah it blew my mind actually a
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little bit Yeah so Google is actually going to finally start pushing Android developers really hard to make apps have
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much better large screen support ah yeah this only ever really happens if you're
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making your own product that does the thing and now that Google has the pixel fold and the pixel tablet they finally
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have all these large screen Android devices and I was I realized yesterday there are three of us in this office
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that are mainlining the pixel fold right now facts it's me you and Alex yeah and speaking of just to bring a new voice
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into here Alex is going to take my spot for this section and now so that I can cut to this camera angle Alex is back whoa wow three pixel folders is in one
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room how often does that happen we'll get let's put them all next to each other you have a case on yours actually
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uh I do not I just have a clean black are you what color is yours actually is it also mine's also black also black I did see the gold one uh Atlantis tech expo this weekend someone had it and
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there's a gold one there's a yeah it's like a bronzy yeah it's a really really pretty color so I get for being an early adopter I am putting the light I'm gonna put the light uh leather dbrand skit on
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this though I'm excited for that so now we've been using so I've had this since launch we've had this these phones for a
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couple weeks now how long have you had pixel fold Alex two weeks how many months oh oh okay I
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got mine like the end of June Okay so we've all had sort of I've had mine for like two weeks now yeah experiences
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probably Pros cons things we like things we don't like the headline for this is that Google is starting to push for
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developers to make more apps optimize for the inside screen yeah I want to ask how much each of you are currently using
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the inside screen because I still to this day I would say I use the inside screen 10 of the time on this phone what
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about you I think it's about accurate okay yeah I think I use the outside screen about but that's a to me that's a testament to how good the outside screen
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is yeah I find it very enjoyable and that's like like so I brought this up to Andrew it would be funny if he was in
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the room that I could call him on this but like he was like how are you liking it so far and I was like I find him using the outside screen a lot more yeah
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like probably like 85 90 of the time and he's like oh good thing you got the phone with the giant screen on the inside so you can use the outside screen
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all the time and I was like no but that's sort of my I like that like I tried using a z-fold and I didn't like
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it because I didn't like the outside screen yeah and that was my biggest issue with it and because I'm like on
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you know daily use I want to just use this outside screen and be able to get a text message off re you know read stuff
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whatever but then like for example I was telling my mom about a trip I took to California the other day and I was like
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oh yeah here's some photos oh wait let me just like oh open this real quick and show you on a big ass script exactly big
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butt screen um yeah I mean that's I think that's the use case like using it for like games
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videos you know stuff like that I would love if there there was a little better support for inside apps though like for certain stuff but certain stuff is pretty enjoyable like if you open text messages in here from the Google
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messages app if that's what you use it'll automatically split screen it if you open a link which is pretty sick so
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then you can still have your messages open yeah on the side and then have like it'll automatically pop open the the
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link so that kind of stuff like that there's cool little things so if you're if you're using Google's own apps I
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think yeah a lot of Google's like YouTube CD doesn't do it but a lot of Google's own apps yeah uh have awesome
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experiences on the inside screen so for the 10 of the time that I use it which for me is like uh web browsing emailing
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people back I'll have I'll like reference web browser stuff and like flip back and forth the calendar managing the calendar or for whatever
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reason I'm in spreadsheets all the time for like frisbee team Logistics spreadsheets so we just I just have it
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oh I open it up there's like a big screen for that great but there are a lot of third-party apps that just look
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terrible on the inside screen yeah Instagram is kind of the most common one which is hilarious because if you pull
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it up on let's say an iPad there's no iPad app so it's just a blown up iPhone app they stubbornly don't do it what's
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funny is Samsung will just like force it to fit on the inside screen and it looks
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like a stretch version but it looks looks better it looks good versus on the pixel fold there are just columns on
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either side there's a couple other apps like that that are not updated do you have you played games that support the
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inside screen I don't yeah I found it I played I played some Angry Birds that works interesting I still play Angry
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Birds I love Angry Birds uh it works on there it looks pretty cool um that's the only game I've played though
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yeah I'm not a huge game I don't get do you do stuff on the inside screen I don't uh oh yeah yes so what's up what
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stuff do you do on the inside screen how much do you use it the best okay so the best part of the inside screen is
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viewing photos is amazing like it's so cool because these phones have really great resolution anyway and like viewing them on a huge screen scroll and then watching YouTube videos those are
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basically the two use cases that I found are useful do you do like the half folded no YouTube videos no I started
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doing that because of the aspect ratio yeah like I'm gonna have bezels no matter uh black bars no matter what yeah
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so I started like propping it up on like I tried doing that on the plane and I was like I prefer to just like hold it
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and watch it yeah um I don't love web browsing with it because I don't like split keyboards and like split typing
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with my fingers like I don't have the like muscle memory to know where the letters are do you ever do you ever do
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this and yeah sometimes yeah but but yeah the the watching YouTube videos and viewing
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photos part I think is really great um I think obviously it makes sense to have it be closed and just use it closed
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all the time because the screen is higher quality you don't get the divot in the center um yeah I I will say I tried so hard to
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do the whole like two apps side by side like multitasking faster thing yeah and I found it was more cumbersome than just using the quick quick app switch I think we're we're really used to the like
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quick app switching and I still do that a lot on the outside screen it just feels like the few times that I actually
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open up the pixel fold my brain goes uh we're doing something important here and I just start doing I take advantage of
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more of those features when I'm opening the phone um so I don't know that's like I I do
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wish some things were different about it but I feel like I've calibrated myself to that experience I tried to use the
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split screen thing and it's not I was trying to log into my Air Canada account so I was like oh this is great because I have all like the information for my
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airplane number and all the stuff stored in my Google keep so if Google keep them one half and the and the Air Canada app
00:26:02
on the other half it is just hard I don't know it wasn't really better I I really like just multitasking quickly um but I think the things I like the most about this one are the aspect ratio
00:26:13
of the front screen because I like that closer to 16x9 it's kind of fun it's like a throwback uh and then just like
00:26:19
yeah watching videos doing photos on the inside screen is really great you know what I've done on the inside screen that I feel like would be useful for you
00:26:25
based off how I see how you use workflow technology on your on your computer like like when you're researching and stuff
00:26:32
doing a side by side Google doc and web browser solid it's nice for like cutting
00:26:37
and pasting researching jotting down notes whatever yeah yeah copying and pasting left to right Windows is huge yeah and in Android 14 you're going to be able to drag and drop text from one
00:26:49
window to another that sounds which is really great you don't have to do the whole copy paste you just dragged it I
00:26:54
did one thing recently in emails because if you want to attach multiple things to an email typically you'd in like a
00:27:01
single screen phone like a normal phone it's a normal process in this phone I had Google photos on one half and I had
00:27:07
the emails on the other half and I like selected a photo and then started selecting other photos and I just
00:27:13
dragged a handful of photos over and it just dropped them all in the email and attached them in a list and in that moment I was like that's why I got
00:27:19
that's awesome the worst part about this phone for me is that when I'm holding it the volume rocker is right where my
00:27:26
thumb is and I turn the volume down all the time by accident and then when I have it open I do that too when I have
00:27:32
it open if I have it like this yeah I'll also turn the volume up or lock the phone and it's really annoying yeah either lock the phone or accidentally long press it and then it's like Google Assistant what do you want like nothing
00:27:43
nothing but uh let's talk about what Google is trying to do with push these uh third-party app developers okay so
00:27:50
they are now starting this month they said starting in August starting yeah starting they're going to raise the
00:27:56
visibility of apps that resize appropriately just starting yeah just gonna start doing that yeah well God
00:28:03
yeah uh so they're going to basically make them part of the Google Play editor's Choice apps
00:28:10
um they're also going to display warnings on apps if they don't display well on large screens sick which is kind
00:28:17
of crazy it's just gonna be like hey if you use a tablet this is gonna suck none
00:28:22
your social media apps will look good yeah also um I think I don't know if it was specifically this but I saw
00:28:28
something about like if you have it open and you're in Google Play like if you're on a large screen mode in Google Play
00:28:34
it'll show the large screen screenshots whereas if you're just closed small screen it's clever I was just gonna say
00:28:40
I was saying Andrew hasn't Apple been doing this for like nine years or something like when you open the app
00:28:46
store on an iPad there's a little filter at the top that says would you like to see me iPad yeah and that's but how long has
00:28:54
the iPad existed versus large screen Android phones well or tablets Android phones but Android tablets that's true the Motorola Zoom that's stuck in the day there was a couple optimized apps
00:29:05
there like Gmail was split screen back in the day it just feels like they should have been Google just like gives
00:29:10
up on things so much like they made honeycomb which was supposed to be like the tablet the fork of Android that
00:29:16
became the tablet I forgot about that and I just got so triggered oh my God what was that first tablet called the the zoom the Motorola Zoom Motorola Zoom yeah and the Atrix as well I loved that
00:29:28
thing but they made they literally made one version of Android that was made for tablets and then it just gave up on it
00:29:34
yeah and it had Hollow it had like the like glowing blue sandwich yeah but now they're just putting pushing that all into Android 14. which is good um do you think it'll be in Android 15
00:29:47
or is this gonna stay with Android 14. depends on how well the pixel fold yeah if there's a pixel fold too which we
00:29:54
don't know yeah uh I would hope so there has to be at this point there better be there has to be a two I don't know about
00:29:59
a three but there has to be you say that but this is Google we're talking about yeah like I I agree with you this is a
00:30:05
first gen product you gotta see it through yeah second gen's got to be in the works but yeah but there's a lot of
00:30:11
products that are there's a lot of apps that just like show giant black bars on the sides like X Twitter
00:30:18
um yeah awesome this is maybe one of my biggest like annoyances do you do you guys see the ones that so like X for
00:30:25
example is designed to be okay in this format like the vertical but then when you open it on horizontal it takes up like just over half the screen and that's for whatever reason that annoys
00:30:38
the crap out of me it takes up like a little more than what it's allowed but then if you turn it the other way it
00:30:43
does go full screen no it's weird I didn't even know that there's a lot okay hot tip to pixel fold owners if you turn
00:30:50
seven of you yeah three of them are in this room so the other four of you let's uh let's address
00:30:56
you directly oh look at that going so X in that aspect ratio when you turn it off the screen yeah and the way I think about this phone is it's it's a sideways
00:31:08
Z fold so wrote yeah yeah so like this is a z-fold right here if you turn the pixel fold on its side and then this if you turn the pixel fold the way it it opens
00:31:20
is a z folder it's just awkward because like you're you naturally open your phone like this and to just have to do
00:31:26
this for like most apps to make them actually feel the screen is not great no it's not fantastic so yeah yeah I love
00:31:32
that though it reminds me of a Nintendo DS or something a little bit yeah so yeah I'm glad Google's doing that
00:31:39
hopefully it actually makes a difference fingers crossed out but we'll see developers get on it please again yeah
00:31:45
yeah yeah okay last take on the on the pixel fold I want everyone's favorite and least favorite thing about it since they've started using it you said the buttons were your least favorite is that
00:31:56
actually your least favorite yeah all right whatever my battery life has actually been fine okay mine has been
00:32:01
two all right I think it's done the traditional pixel curve of getting better for me I've been waiting for mine
00:32:07
to do that it hasn't done it right I am on the Android 14 beta and that has some more uh battery enhancements I'm not and
00:32:15
it's still okay it's still cooking for me I don't know what's your favorite thing about it um it's split between the aspect ratio of
00:32:23
the front screen which is just kind of fun it's just nice having a 16x9-esque phone and then also just
00:32:29
um viewing YouTube videos on the inside screen it's really nice really cool Alex what about you favorite and least favorite I think mine's the outside
00:32:36
screen too that's the Difference Maker I think that's that's why I went that's why I tried it and then I was like this
00:32:42
is good enough to keep like I had every intention of potentially returning this stuff interesting and like I told you
00:32:48
just because you loved using out because I like the outside screen and and like honestly like I think the aspect ratio
00:32:54
is great too and like the size of it is very pleasing for whatever reason like it's sort of Andrew talks about it with
00:32:59
like the the Zenfone I don't know if he's dropped this take on the podcast yet but like where he's like I kind of like having smaller phones it makes me
00:33:04
want to be on my phone a little less like but in a good way yeah you know and this is like enjoyable to use so I can
00:33:11
use it as much as I want to use it and yet having a slightly smaller screen makes me be like for whatever reason
00:33:16
just clicks in my head of like oh maybe I should you know put my phone away and enjoy life I think this is the proper
00:33:21
shape for a foldable just like being you're gonna use it closed most of the time but then when it's useful to open
00:33:28
it up you open it up versus Samsungs which is like this is a really awkward aspect ratio until you have it open it's
00:33:34
like Samsung focused first on the inside screen and the outside screen was sort of after an awkward result yeah and this
00:33:41
one felt like the opposite but you remember the first generation fault that had like in that sense when you look at
00:33:46
that phone like they didn't care about screen they cared about the inside screen that outside screen is like the
00:33:51
same size as like the the other foldables now the size of like a a prom pom phone basically yeah so we I actually almost did a video comparing the size it's bigger than the pomp phone
00:34:03
but it is not by much not by much yeah least favorite thing least favorite thing I mean I think it's just the lack
00:34:09
of optimized apps so far on the inside I mean it still feels early on but this is
00:34:14
the same feeling I've had with every Google tablet I've ever had I've tried to get on Google tab it's a few times and every time I've been like no like I had a Galaxy Tab A4 I think and I I
00:34:28
liked it and I like Dax Dax was pretty cool but like I was like just in a normal Android tablet application this
00:34:34
kind of sucks and I I sort of feel similar like I don't want to say that this sucks on the inside but it's not
00:34:40
there yet like it's just it feels too early so like hopefully with this adding them incentivizing people to make the apps more optimized inside that'll help but right now that is like my least
00:34:53
favorite software thing and then the hardware thing is is the button placement for sure like it is annoying that like because I do I do use that
00:35:00
like little hack of turning it this way a lot and then I find like my pinky is constantly hitting the the power button
00:35:06
and either turning it off or or hitting Google Assistant yeah um and and that interrupts whatever I'm trying to do and obviously we want everything to be as tight as we can when we're using our devices so that's a little unintuitive I
00:35:19
don't know how they fix that though um I will say I will suggest a way to fix it because this is one of my
00:35:25
favorite things about this phone is I actually like that the power button being the fingerprint reader is fast and works really well but I do feel like
00:35:31
these buttons are a little too loose like they're too easy to press so if you look at like um an iPhone uh a Samsung
00:35:38
phone the buttons are clicky but they take a little more effort to press so if you like just hold the phone on the side
00:35:43
you won't actually press the button tighten up those buttons a little bit yeah that's true adding a little more oomph would probably help yeah less
00:35:49
accidental press and maybe separate buttons for the button for the volume rocker too like summon up button it's
00:35:55
like a choice some of them do the rocker like this some of them will do separate buttons I think maybe the rocker makes it a little looser and again separate
00:36:01
buttons they'd be firmer so that's a good suggestion for them I will say my least favorite thing is still the battery life but uh my favorite thing is
00:36:08
the fingerprint reader and the front aspect ratio so that that is our uh little micro
00:36:14
discussion on uh probably half the pixel fold users in North America right now it's a pretty good density in the studio
00:36:21
uh but we should we should bring Andrew back to do trivia Alex thanks for joining us of course if they want to hear more of your voice on podcasts I hear you you have one as well yeah locked on Nicks if you're a Knicks fan I
00:36:33
don't know I don't know what the what the Venn diagram is there but there's a couple of zero yeah greater than there's
00:36:38
one in this room I know so that's cool dad is two so that's that's at least two people there you go there you go let's
00:36:44
grab Andrew let's do some trivia all right welcome back Andrew uh we uh we had a little pixel fold inside discussion sorry you couldn't be a part of it with your small single screen
00:36:55
phone yeah my phone is probably like the size of one of these sides oh my God that's actually really close yeah but uh now we're we're doing some trivia so we gotta we gotta get to it
00:37:08
trivia so first question the marker yet yeah what year was the Google Play Store
00:37:15
launched bonus point if you get the month another bonus point if you get the day wait
00:37:21
Google Play store or the Android market no the Google Play Store oh okay sorry so what day did they start calling it the Play Store basically okay what
00:37:32
year month or day one point each should we give another point for hour no weather that day two points shirt worn
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00:38:32
there's actually a lot of Google news this way surprisingly something that we've been waiting for for a very long
00:38:37
time that seemed like the very natural accelerant of this large language model chat GPT thing is that Google is now going to supercharge the Google
00:38:48
Assistant with generative Ai and Bard support send it which seems like something that made sense for a very
00:38:54
long time right like you have these large language models that are creating all of this text naturally Google has
00:39:01
really good uh voice AI stuff with Google Assistant makes sense that now you would ask it a question it would just be able to tell you an answer well you got to be careful though because it
00:39:12
is Google yes and you remember our angle on Google versus like maybe just a bing thing where Bing has a lot to gain so
00:39:19
they can go a little crazy and you know how people remember when Siri first came out everyone immediately tries to break
00:39:25
it they start asking it insane questions totally for all of that activity it already kind of had a built-in Fail-Safe of like we didn't really account for this command so we're just gonna do a web search or just tell you we don't
00:39:37
know yeah if you put in a random insane query into bard it'll give you an answer it'll just tell you something yeah and that answer might
00:39:48
not necessarily be real yeah and I don't know if Google wants that right away an
00:39:53
interesting thing um both in the Google generative experience that they have for search right now and also just Google in
00:40:00
general and Transformers in general is when you're training one of these Transformers you can train it to be more
00:40:06
accurate versus more creative the accuracy just means that it will more directly pull from sources right um and I think the Google generative experience does that pretty hardcore to
00:40:19
the point where there's a lot of writers that are saying it's literally scraping my website and saying the exact same
00:40:25
phrases that are on my website which is kind of funny because currently Google assistant already it already goes like
00:40:32
according to Wikipedia and then it says the exact chunk that's on Wikipedia right so so it has that where if there
00:40:40
are certain types of phrases or things that it knows and it's like scraped and already in the knowledge graph where if
00:40:46
you ask like how how tall is this person what's this person's birthday how old is this person you can usually get an answer straight from Wikipedia according
00:40:52
to Wikipedia or according to this website yeah like we've scraped a lot of these sites and we'll say it say that but Bard often doesn't tell you the
00:41:01
source yeah and so it just kind of says an answer and I don't know how much Google wants to like have the assistant
00:41:06
start just saying things if it doesn't have a good answer or a good source for them I mean it's going to pull from a
00:41:11
source no matter what right because it kind of has to in order to of course answer I mean maybe this is naive but
00:41:18
like when I'm asking just my Google home it's usually something really quick I want it's not like I'm like writing up
00:41:24
an article and I'm like hey G word I need like this it's more like oh I'm watching TV and I forgot who that prayer what other show I think that's how Mozart there is and like so I wouldn't
00:41:35
not that I wouldn't care that it's not accurate but I'd be like less worried like I hate when I ask a simple question
00:41:41
it's like Accord according to Wikipedia yeah it is this yeah also they're five nine and they've like they were born on
00:41:48
this day it's like just chill yeah like understand I just want a very my guess as well is that it's just going to be a
00:41:54
much more natural language-esque assistant right you can just have regular conversations with it I do like
00:41:59
that but for the hard data Parts it'll probably be tailored to pulling the hard data so if you're just having a conversation or you like ask it a question and be like oh yeah Marquez
00:42:10
um let me check my sources okay over here it says and then data poll anything else you want to know you know that kind of thing and the cool thing about Transformers 2 is because like the
00:42:21
way they work every single time you like ask a query it'll pull different stuff it'll say something different so that'll
00:42:28
make it so it's not like according to Wikipedia it'll just be like all right today I found that looks like on
00:42:34
Wikipedia this is this is this and then the next time it might be like yeah let me search that for you uh on Wikipedia
00:42:40
today it did so it feels a little more natural it feels more natural yeah yeah I'm excited for like more natural in
00:42:48
like assistant in my homes and stuff like that though because I feel like with all this like generative AI chatbot
00:42:55
things we're doing I'm getting used to asking some of them a little more like regular conversation questions and when
00:43:02
I do it at home now it's just like I don't understand I an example I was in my car actually I was driving home and I
00:43:09
wanted to listen to this song and it was remember we went and saw Sammy Ray and the friends and a band opened for them I
00:43:15
forgot that band's name and I was like I can't remember the name of the song and I tried to be like Google's smart and I
00:43:21
pressed I was like who was the band that opened for Sammy Ray um at summer stage and I'm like this
00:43:26
feels easy yeah I feel like Google should figure that out I just couldn't I don't understand I don't know I can't
00:43:32
figure it I feel like it would be able to get that exactly and I think that like a better conversation piece in
00:43:38
these things where you're just sitting in your living room or your car and you can't actually like that sounds really
00:43:43
nice that sounds like a pretty ideal use case yeah there's also a lot of we were talking about how how we use assistant
00:43:49
and then I think there's also a difference in how sometimes they portray people using assistant which is how they
00:43:54
want people to use assistant which may be a little more of uh give me a recipe for this thing and then they just start making the recipe I don't know if you've ever done this have you ever done this they go hey give me a recipe for pumpkin
00:44:06
bread no because and then it goes all right food in my house recipe it shows up on the screen they
00:44:12
just go all right here's my they just start making whatever it tells them to make and it's like I don't know that anyone does that because you need to go
00:44:19
buy this stuff yeah and I need to like check the first five recipes to make sure I like the first one and there's there's all sorts of other weird things
00:44:24
about it but you guys need more stuff in your kitchen pantries I mean banana bread is an easy one but there's just
00:44:30
all kinds of weird or or remember how there's a Chachi PT might have done this someone told it what was in the fridge and I said what can I make yeah those Bing okay yeah that seems like something
00:44:41
that would be helpful and there are websites that can do that so oh okay well assistant can't currently do it so
00:44:48
it'd be nice if I could go I take a picture oh yeah that'd be even better tell assistant hey what can I
00:44:54
make take a picture of the inside of your fridge and be like what can I use your Samsung Smart fridge that's already looking inside it when you ask it now
00:45:01
we're talking generally it knows what you have already that's how we're talking kind of creepy but yeah awesome also maybe the language model will just
00:45:09
understand that when I ask for a conversion of gallons to cups or whatever it does it doesn't need to
00:45:14
teach me the equation afterwards right I ain't paying you for that yeah mine never does that but yours seems I hate it so much it's the worst part how many cups are in a gallon to convert cups
00:45:25
together it always tells you the answer and then it's like here's the answer you need and I'm starting to pour and then
00:45:31
it's just like if you ever want to do this in the future you just take Blah Blah by 1.38 yeah I kind of like that
00:45:37
though I personally it gets carried away sometimes yeah um yeah I don't know I kind of like the idea of my assistant being more like a
00:45:44
Jarvis kind of thing you can just have natural Communications with yeah yeah Jarvis and then over time maybe some
00:45:49
ambient Computing stuff you know just happening in the background I think one of the actually my favorite improvements
00:45:54
to iOS 17 in that standby mode is that you can just talk to Siri from across the room and it keeps responding as long
00:46:00
as you talk until you just say like thank you or I'm done and I did this in the demo video where I just asked it a
00:46:06
question I said what's the weather in Birmingham today and it told me the answer and then I said what about this
00:46:12
weekend I didn't have to say hey assistant again I didn't have to like ask it again I I just kept talking like
00:46:18
a normal conversation and I think if assistant can do more of that in general they should all be doing more of that
00:46:23
just sort of natural language processing along the way and then when you're done you're done yeah so I think that's that's pretty sweet for moving towards
00:46:29
that yeah you do have listed here that it's um focusing on mobile first though so that's like what we're talking about
00:46:35
isn't exactly it'll probably be on the phones first but hopefully it'll move to that eventually yeah I think that's cool
00:46:40
I do Wonder really quick I was talking about Android auto that would still be considered mobile right because it's
00:46:46
just pulling from my phone yeah always yeah yeah okay pulls from your phone assistant yeah yeah cool
00:46:51
um Google is also starting a find my device Network like an air tag competitor and they announced it a while
00:46:58
ago but it got delayed I'm excited for this because I lost my bag on my last trip and I don't have an iPhone and I was like I'm going should bring an air tag on my next trip and I didn't but I
00:47:11
should have and then I wouldn't have to if this was a story time um so I use pixel fold now but I keep
00:47:17
the iPhone on me because it's like a universal remote for a lot of the Apple services that are really useful to me
00:47:22
yesterday literally yesterday I was uh my friends looking for a new job so we were going around to different bars and
00:47:29
cafes and dropping off her resume and stuff and I brought my camera with me because I always bring a camera with me and I had my air tag on it and at the
00:47:37
end of the evening I was like where's my camera yeah it could be any of these nine places the most David's stories yeah that's why on my camera I now have an air tag and I have a little thing
00:47:48
that says if found please call me at this phone number it's only one camera so it's not the a typical David yeah
00:47:53
that's true yeah but I had to so I hot spot for my pixel fold to give my iPhone data just so I can look on the find my network where my phone is I remember where my camera is yeah and it showed me
00:48:05
exactly where it was I went back to that bar I said did you find a camera they said yep here you go wow saves your life
00:48:10
so if if Google can can make a competitor that'd be great because there are pretty much just as many Android
00:48:18
phones out there in the US as there are iPhones and in other countries air tags are probably kind of not useless but not nearly as powerful their advantage is not nearly as big an Android version of
00:48:30
this and basically every other country that's not the us it's going to be massive yeah so yeah I would I was still
00:48:36
on the camp of like air tags or one of Apple's best invention best products of the last couple of the last maybe decade
00:48:43
yeah just because they're just so everyday person universally useful yeah and the the lock-in of just air tags
00:48:51
like there's an air tag in each of our tripod bags so if we ever check a bag I get to follow it and know exactly where
00:48:57
it is I never have any confusion about whether it can't lie Together made it on the plane or not like you can't lie to me I know where the bag is how do you
00:49:03
know because I'm looking at it like I can see the location all kinds of uses for air tags and so to have sort of a
00:49:10
equivalent that's just available and takes the same advantage of the the devices that are everywhere for Android
00:49:16
is so clutch so sick I can't wait for this to be real um also it seems like what was it a
00:49:22
settings leak and there's some more granular people so they're giving you a lot more granular control so when Apple first launched air tags they got in a
00:49:29
lot of heat because obviously it was like stalking people and then there was there was also a thing where um it would
00:49:36
be like this Airtex following you and you're just like ah and you don't know when to have it on and just people with privacy issues so Google's been thinking
00:49:42
a lot about that and I think that's why they delayed they roll out so now they have all these uh different controls so
00:49:48
you can make it so you can turn them off fully whenever you want you just turn off this air tag so it's not being used
00:49:56
you can enable it to find devices offline so that it uses like GPS pinging of different phones um you can have it so it can only be only turn on in high traffic areas so
00:50:08
like if you go to an airport and there's like a lot of phones in a dense area then it's easier to find your thing you
00:50:15
know maybe you need to Ping your bag on the conveyor belt in an airport or something like that okay
00:50:20
um so yeah they just have like they have a ton of settings in the app the settings got leaked so it's funny this
00:50:26
is almost like we're used to seeing apple right have things second and being like oh these are all the hardships that they worked through as a new product like we have that fixed for once Apple
00:50:37
did that and we got to watch them suffer a little totally Apple does it first Google does it right yeah it's the
00:50:43
opposite of normal this is the thing because the most annoying thing about air tags or about the whole find my
00:50:48
thing is how often you get pinged and don't want to I get told that I left my iPhone behind yeah every day like I I
00:50:55
walked to a different room in the studio it's like hey did you know you don't have your phone yeah like yeah I know I
00:51:00
knew that did you know but it's with me it's just not on me well even if it's on
00:51:06
you like I'll have my camera around my neck and I'll get a ping that's like you left your camera behind I'm like no it
00:51:12
is oh that's just wrong yeah yeah no it's it's wrong so let me dig into the settings and be like and there's often a
00:51:17
button comes up that says like trust this location but I still want to know if I leave my keys at work and leave
00:51:22
work so I can't hit trust this location because if I do leave work it's not going to tell me so I do need it to tell
00:51:27
me but I need to be more accurate I need settings yeah I need the settings to help me dial this in so Google's doing
00:51:33
it right where Apple was just like you know they they obviously have a great product but it does track is that
00:51:39
Google's going giving you settings and Apple's not that's exactly that's pretty much on track yeah it's pretty pretty
00:51:44
perfect this is funny I didn't know Airtex did that the probably one of the most used features on my watch is the
00:51:51
ring your phone button yeah um which I use on my like Google home as well a lot also but when I'm in a place where I
00:51:57
feel comfortable I just I like don't carry things in my pocket I just put them down the amount of times I leave my
00:52:02
phone somewhere in this office and then just go I haven't seen it in a few hours I don't know where it is like if it
00:52:09
actually pings me to be like uh you walked away and you'd be like where did you walk away and it would just tell you the address and you have to go look it up and see if you can take it so it's
00:52:21
that much different it gets pretty annoying it gets pretty annoying I think Apple needs to be added some settings yeah shocker shocker they're not going
00:52:28
to yeah all right I think we have we have time for another break and another trivia section sounds good
00:52:35
[Music] that was pretty that was pretty good also Zuzu is so freaking cute right now
00:52:41
oh my God oh my Lord for the audio listeners Zuzu is Adam's dog who is uh here with us today insanely adorable and she's sleeping in one of her floppy ears is propped up on the wall there's always
00:52:55
something about dogs that have floppy ears and the ears stand in some positions somehow or it's very adorable
00:53:00
anyway trivia question number two Google Play was created when what three Google
00:53:07
services combined doing a Google Play week wow interesting [Laughter] three I don't know it's three all right
00:53:23
[Music] welcome back we got one last section to talk about some quick stuff I feel like iPhone 15 rumors are kind of spinning up
00:53:39
a lot it's August now it's a month away September is a month away and we are starting to get a whole bunch of the
00:53:45
most interesting iPhone 15 stuff I kind of want to summarize it all I think iPhone 15 Pro also is a more interesting one definitely because that seems like
00:53:51
the one we're gonna where we're gonna see the most new stuff so I'll just I'll scroll down this list a little bit for
00:53:56
you guys and maybe give me your reactions I'll also have some of my own first reaction thinner bezels
00:54:03
do we care it's not care so much 30 thinner bezel slightly thinner bezels I mean it's cool the most we get to full
00:54:10
screen full screen it's gonna look just like the the old phone just a slightly thinner bezel it's one of those things
00:54:17
that'll look nicer we'll all see it and be like that's really nice no one else will like really yeah understand that
00:54:23
yeah yeah I mean 30 of that small of a bezel already yeah and already uniform bezels not super you
00:54:31
know not amazing but okay cool uh titanium frame so moving from our precious we have aluminum on the non-pro and we have stainless steel on the pro
00:54:42
right now titanium is that what the Appalachian Ultra is made of uh let's look it up I
00:54:49
think it's titanium it's obviously super important also my Fuji film tx1 is titanium and I really like that material isn't there a song called titanium Apple watch Ultra is made with titanium that's
00:55:02
right as they call it Aerospace grade that's because they use titanium they use titanium in space so now it's
00:55:09
Aerospace great titanium okay like I can say you use uh Aerospace grade mayonnaise mayonnaise exactly they probably got different mayonnaise in outer space they have powdered no they
00:55:20
have regular mayonnaise yeah mayonnaise is kind of a liquid so anyway titanium phone how do we feel about uh slightly different material it's gonna be lighter because that
00:55:32
lighter than steel okay that's good yeah it's a game changer I think I'm gonna go to the whole Apple
00:55:38
ecosystem this feels like one of those things where like Apple knows they can't or don't want to
00:55:44
make the phone exactly the same as last year so they need something to make it look and feel just a little different from last year so you know that's the new one they don't use the S model any
00:55:55
the S thing anymore right so everywhere they actually do have to do something slightly different like from 12 to 13
00:56:00
they made the um the notch smaller 13 to 14 they made Dynamic Island right 14 to 15. so now every year you get at least a slight change in look yeah and I think that's
00:56:12
so people because that's the app will be like that's the new one exactly that's exactly I literally think it's the primary thing they're trying to
00:56:18
accomplish with that it is it's like every year you have to have that like note at the end of the video like if
00:56:25
you're upgrading from last year it's probably not worth it because it's only this minuscule difference this year it's gonna be like it's titanium yeah if you
00:56:34
really want titanium upgrade yeah other than that smaller bezels and slightly smaller but I'm sure it'll have a better
00:56:40
camera but yeah here's one we've talked about a little bit but we can give a quick synopsis action button might be
00:56:47
replacing the mute switch but you could have it be a mute yeah so we didn't talk about that last time we just talked
00:56:53
about it having an action button but now the rumor is that button will be replacing the mute switch
00:56:59
um I think yeah it could be the mute switch it could be something else I think it would be really sick if you
00:57:05
could map that to like your focus mode or even a GPS location so doesn't the Apple watch Ultra like have Dynamic uh action buttons it has the action button and you can map in the watch app what
00:57:18
you want it to do which is a couple based on location I think we know I think that was like something we said
00:57:24
would be really cool when that happens like imagine you're working out you're on the gym or the track that action
00:57:29
button is relevant to where so when you're inside an app yes like if I'm in a track workout it can detect that I'm
00:57:37
at a track and now the action button is giving me like lap timer segments but as far as just like on my home screen hit
00:57:42
the action button it's like this will either launch a certain app or start a workout okay basically yeah but it can
00:57:48
do a bunch of other stuff now which I think is really cool I would prefer to have a button that does multiple things
00:57:53
than just mute a thing so yeah yeah I'm going to try my hardest to map this to Google Assistant I don't know what it's going to take you can but I'm gonna try you could probably just make a um it's probably gonna be a
00:58:05
serious shortcut yeah yeah yeah all right so that's that what about USB type c yes it seems like it is gaining steam as a
00:58:18
possible iPhone 15 Pro feature um and it's it's going to be hilarious as they Market it alongside a lightning iPhone 15 but they're going to be like
00:58:29
oh you can shoot prores and you can get faster footage off of the phone this is the bet we should make because there's
00:58:35
two options here there's two options yeah either they put USBC in both the 15 and the pro and they only put
00:58:41
Thunderbolt in the Pro okay this one's more likely right or they put it in the Pro but they keep lightning on the 50 because they do have an extra year they're they're doing it a
00:58:53
year ahead of when the EU is making them right okay so I was thinking about iPad when you said that and in an iPad Pro
00:58:59
it's Thunderbolt and USBC and in a regular iPad Air it's just USBC exactly but they also didn't come out at the same time so there was a brief period where there was a thunderbolt iPad Pro
00:59:11
and a lightning iPad Air before they switched it but with this it's going to be the phones all launch at once so I
00:59:18
think I if I'm if I'm betting I think they're gonna do J [Music] I'll place I'll place my bet I hope I
00:59:30
think I'm going to be wrong but the the possibility of this happening it would be so funny if there was a lightning and
00:59:36
a USBC I think the announced it the same thing and I'm gonna take that bet just because I assume you guys will bet the
00:59:41
opposite and then I can bask in them it's hilarity of that happening and both of you losing I think they're equally
00:59:46
possible it would be so funny you're the Thunderbolt and regular USBC makes so much more sense like they'd have to
00:59:53
Brand it though they'd have to Brand it like Pro Data I think they're gonna brand it they're gonna it's gonna be a
00:59:58
hilarious yeah well because remember when they finally we've had 60 hertz iPhones for
01:00:03
an eternity and there was that moment on stage where they got to the iPhone 13 14 pro whatever it was and it was like
01:00:10
promotion and you're like oh I see what she did there you just called 120 hertz ltpo something Pro so you could put it
01:00:17
in the Pro phone not the bass phone but now they're stuck with it I think they can grow phones only yeah that's true
01:00:23
but does that mean so is that the regular 15 will also be 60 hertz so I think that yeah yeah okay so that's interesting so if they only move USBC to
01:00:34
the Pro phone that would imply that it's a pro feature that's never going to come that way but why else would they only
01:00:40
put it in one of the phones you know to get you to buy it because I feel like if they only put it in the Pro phone they have to Brand it as a pro feature and
01:00:47
that kind of gets them stuck so they have to put it in both there's already that rumor of like how how the regular
01:00:53
phone is going to get some of these like features that are all like Dynamic Island and the hole punch will come I
01:00:59
forget what was it like 20 20 no the dynamic island is already coming is coming to the 15 regular right because
01:01:05
it's not a pro feature right it's just Dynamic which was my bet yeah I just want to remind so anything that they put that they brand as Pro yeah imply that they're going to keep it in
01:01:17
the Pro forever USB type c may not be branded as Pro it could just be a dynamic port or something hilarious what
01:01:23
they could do in the like 16 yeah but they could do in the like 16 is they could put 120 hertz but it's not ltpo
01:01:31
it's just 60 to 120 and yeah in the regular promotion and it wouldn't be promotion interesting so I don't know
01:01:37
regular people would have no idea what that means but yeah that's fair I I think they both I think they um I think
01:01:43
they both get USBC yeah yeah interesting I'm willing to take the fact I love that
01:01:49
I love that for the yeah this is the the big Underdog the only possible like there is something to be said about them
01:01:56
making the regular one still lightling because they can just milk the lightning port for a little bit longer because
01:02:02
they're making licensing money on all of them and they'll also have a reason for people to upgrade from the 15 to the 16
01:02:08
when it finally gets USBC yeah because this is the thing once you get you once you get USBC on people's radar for the
01:02:14
iPhone then it's like okay air pods all these other accessories everything else people are going to start having to think about USBC and the iPhone and so
01:02:22
when the next one comes out they're going to have oh USBC is now in all of the iPhones all the accessories hop on
01:02:28
board by the port and the accessories again like all that stuff Apple thinks about this a lot they definitely had
01:02:35
this exact conversation my most anticipated moment of the iPhone event this year is how they are going to tell
01:02:42
the world that USBC is so much better yeah I'm like so excited for this revolutionary report from the iPad Pro and we've put it in the iPhone from the
01:02:53
Nexus 6p yeah let me put it in the iPhone to be fair we just went on a work trip and Brandon's phone died in the middle of the night because he didn't realize he brought a USBC cable instead
01:03:04
of a lightning cable till like all of us were asleep that happened to me too this weekend yeah I literally only brought a
01:03:09
USBC cable and I forgot to bring a lightning one and my iPhone died yeah it's like well I'm screwed the day is
01:03:16
gonna have a slide about like one charger forever I'm still doing Johnny I'm doing Johnny Ives voice like it's
01:03:22
still him but it's not even it's just gonna be like an executive on stage like so now you can use one charger for your
01:03:28
iPad your MacBook and your phone how incredible is that they're also we're gonna give you a special a special brick where you can plug in two USBC things at once yeah it's gonna be great there are
01:03:39
rumors that the new Air the airpods pro which are still the two or they're just gonna add USBC to that too they should
01:03:46
just keep it lighting just a mess with us and airpods Max are also like they would have to update which it is around
01:03:52
time for them to update the airpods max so if they if they do release airpod Max 2 with USBC that would be nice that
01:03:58
would be insane to do all those things as USB and then still ship a lightning iPhone that seems insane that would be
01:04:04
so funny but doesn't the cheapest iPad come with lightning it does still have lightning yeah oh the like super and so and so the cheapest but the cheapest iPhone can still be the s C
01:04:16
yeah that's true maybe that's that's true no uh also there is a rumor that the next Apple watch uh it didn't say specifically whether it was the ultra which is apparently getting an Ultra 2
01:04:28
this year nice um which the ultra 2 is apparently going to be coming in matte black uh was that
01:04:34
real or was it I saw like a render that's easily the most exciting thing it's a rumor it's a rumor yeah yeah I
01:04:41
think um I saw a concept of it but basically every single year they use a what is effectively the same chipset in
01:04:48
the Apple watch like they update they update it very very slightly every year but it is almost not different at all
01:04:55
but there's a rumor that apparently this year it's going to be significantly faster which is like
01:05:01
cool it's nice yeah man Snoopy's gonna run great on me yeah I mean we have they changed the UI too with watch OS and now
01:05:08
there's a bunch of widgets maybe they want to sort of like push this big update to the watch sort of shake things up a little bit with the watch if it's a
01:05:14
significant node size change then maybe battery life will be improved that would be nice that would be really nice yeah
01:05:20
okay so yeah that's kind of the Apple rumors uh we got a month until that happens Matt Black Apple watch is the
01:05:27
craziest thing we've said this podcast matte black because I know we've had a matte black watch but it's like midnight
01:05:32
so it's not really black oh that's a good point so like actually what if it winds up being midnight I would be so
01:05:38
mad Matt midnight would you rather midnight or the silver that you have I like the silver I love it I love how good that looks honestly
01:05:49
I'd say silver but it was not black matte black oh of course yeah please please if that's not if that's not finalized yet someone at Apple can you just press that button lock that in please that's all I'm saying uh last
01:06:03
topic today uh X formerly Twitter known as Twitter are we gonna say it every time yes you know the thing that was Twitter that one it's confusing otherwise that's true the artist
01:06:14
portably known as Twitter yeah uh is a is now letting you hide your blue check mark this was something that was pretty much immediately announced when Elon bought Twitter and it just never
01:06:25
happened but now they actually are letting you do it uh surprise is free it's not free it's the check marks it's not free and the check Mark's not right surprise the ability to hide it isn't extra extra you need X blue if you well
01:06:39
you do need X blue you need X blue plus to hide it is terrible so it's it's funny it is fine because because the whole point of getting it was like I get
01:06:53
a verify badge now like not everybody has a verified badge now I have a verified badge but now people like don't
01:06:59
want to show that but they still want the benefits of it without showing exactly yeah but
01:07:05
um there was a thing on the page like I asked Brandon for a screenshot of the page that shows to let you hide it it said some features may not be available if you hide your check mark and I was
01:07:16
like like what that seems very vague yeah there's only like four Twitter blue features total so which ones so weirdly
01:07:23
I think the one the main one that like got added like lumped in by Elon is like when you're a Twitter blue subscriber
01:07:29
you get like priority in the algorithm and you're like at the top of replies and things like that and I think that's
01:07:34
probably gonna stop happening if you know your check wait I mean you're you're like showing up among the blue
01:07:40
check marks but you're not a blue check mark so now if if we're supposed to believe that the blue check mark
01:07:45
indicates a high quality Source or something or a real person then why would we keep surfacing the ones that don't have a check like it should be visually I see it more as like I paid for the
01:07:57
blue check for priority replies and there's someone without a blue check above me I would be upset about that if
01:08:02
I were one of those people yeah I'm not but then like why even pay for why even play for blue I just want to edit tweets
01:08:08
is that it for eight dollars I mean that is why you originally got blue before all of this started right yeah you
01:08:14
wanted to edit tweets that was the reason I blew before he bought it as well yeah yeah so it does make sense it
01:08:20
is a stranger soon the student X blue is going to have like a a plan a cart you pick which features you want and don't want and then we'll be different from that that's wild yeah
01:08:32
yeah so um Hydra blue Hydra blue hide your kids hide your check marks that the next gonna give it to you I'm not gonna finish that all right let's uh
01:08:44
let's finish with our trivia answers uh did but first the corrections from earlier we've never said anything wrong
01:08:58
the mayonnaise that eat in space is not normal I looked it up I looked it up there's all sorts of changes so some of
01:09:06
it you know they have to ex there's no fridges in space so you gotta make special mayonnaise space is a fridge
01:09:12
just put it out into space but the other thing that I found in researching is that you know since mayonnaise is an Emulsion apparently keeping it yeah it's like tough I was thinking that
01:09:26
those bills would probably and there's a there's a current NASA research project called let's go project pasta next long
01:09:34
form podcast figure out if they can make mayonnaise among other things so there is no space
01:09:41
there is space mayonnaise but it's not earth mayonnaise earlier I said if you ate mayonnaise in space then you could
01:09:47
be like Aerospace grade mayonnaise that is not I thought you were saying it's basically they're researching how to
01:09:53
make it possible uh no so we're talking about Earth mayonnaise and bringing it up yeah so what they're trying to see is Earth can you can you fly eggs and oil
01:10:04
and a little bit of seasoning up to the ISS and then whip it into mayonnaise in space so yeah the scientists were too
01:10:12
concerned whether or not they could they didn't think whether or not they should I just want to say I just got back from
01:10:18
walking Zuri and I look over and Ellis was Googling mayonnaise and I was like what the hell did I miss
01:10:24
anyway trivia time so quick update on the score sure Marquez has two nice Andrew with
01:10:35
Android a million ten ten one one Andrew has one David do you wanna guess how much you have do you remember four four correct plus one point for you I'm kidding five whoa okay so first question
01:10:52
what year was the Google Play Store launched I'm ready while this is going I also learned that salt and pepper are you on
01:11:03
the ISS but only in liquid form what yeah because if you had little pepper flakes floating around it could get in
01:11:09
people's eyes and stuff they have liquid pepper liquid pepper oh that's just pepper spray yeah it's just bare Mason NASA sent us
01:11:20
all these like James Webb's face telescope like paraphernalian pens I want the liquid yeah liquid pepper
01:11:27
anyway Aerospace grade pepper let's flip them around I'm very nervous on this one I'm not that well I'm probably wrong if
01:11:33
they're both you're wrong what'd you guys say I said 2011. I also said 2011. it's 2012. I said 2013. it's 2012. 2012.
01:11:46
so close Okay I want to say my reasoning okay okay the Nexus 7. the first generation
01:11:52
Nexus 7 launched in 2012 and the re wow no it launched in 2012. I know this for a fact 2012. yes next to seven yes thank you and they're they sold that tablet at a
01:12:08
yeah good Buzz good Buzz they thought they certainly did not they sold that tablet at a 50 per unit loss and the reason they did that was to unload
01:12:19
people onto the Google Play Store yeah because they knew that the the average cost of acquiring a customer is
01:12:26
generally more than fifty dollars so Google was willing to lose money so the reason I guess 2011 was because I
01:12:33
figured they would have announced it before the Nexus 7 came out but I bet you they announced it with the Nexus 7
01:12:38
which makes me feel really dumb I was going back to uh Nexus 4. launch I just took a shot in the dark and I was just as close
01:12:50
how does that feel I was gonna um all right next question it's fine I'm fine everything's fine to continue with our Google play Trivia this week
01:13:03
Google Play which also I totally forgot the the P used to be lowercase okay until like 2014. why do they do that it's a title okay anyway uh okay
01:13:15
just think about how iPhones lowercase yeah but that's like you know that is hip but the p is I don't know just
01:13:23
picture it in your head and it's so strange Google Play was created when what three Google services or Google
01:13:29
products or whatever you want to call it combined [Music] huh I don't know these all right I don't know these at all like I just like an
01:13:41
educated guess a point for each correct answer I guess sure maybe I like that I don't think I'm
01:13:48
gonna get even writing anything no I just want to say like I remember it changing to play and being like that's weird I don't get it play like this is weird but they've novelized it
01:14:00
now I cannot remember what it was before like I remember thinking this is weird pencil's down all right it's three it's three pencils down okay
01:14:11
wow Andrews is blank Buzz blank all right thank you interesting so the App Store is yeah well
01:14:23
the app Android Marketplace app store okay game store let's talk about wait wait wait hold on I'm probably wrong all right AOSP isn't is wrong so I I wrote Android open source project the the
01:14:35
original app store and then what the Android App Store really what is the name of it Android Market Android Marketplace whatever okay I did
01:14:47
not write app store because I was like no that isn't an iOS thing like I don't think that would count if I had 20 extra
01:14:54
seconds like David I would have written [Applause] I was I had my pencil down and then the game store which I don't remember what was called so they had a separate game
01:15:08
store probably not don't I think my memory is tricking me anyway what did you write okay I wrote Android market that's one uh Android services
01:15:20
like Google Play services but like Android services and I put security core what is that like Android security core all right well I got one I am tempted to not give
01:15:33
you it because you were still writing after the buzzer it's because I'm a slow writer that is interesting that it's
01:15:39
writing after and we didn't talk about points per one it was just an overall question for a singular point
01:15:46
what no I think we like David keep the point because it's the first one I wrote yeah yeah I like that thanks anyway the
01:15:53
uh Android market how much did he pay you Ellis that's crazy I want to point too I think you should give Marquez it for App Store
01:16:06
I do and there I would have given it to him but you actually wrote Android market so with 20 extra seconds
01:16:14
I think everyone knows that it's the Thing apps were on like the name of it I would have wrote that if one of you had also wrote like App Store I probably would have given it to both of you because it's like all right it's up to
01:16:25
you know what you're talking about it I want to make it known that I'm on marquez's side for this but it's because
01:16:30
it's 10 seconds to write it but I wrote it first cannot confirm wow what is the answer Andrew what did you write I wrote nothing oh because I couldn't think of what the name of the
01:16:42
app store was it was the combination of the Android market Distributing apps Google Music
01:16:48
Distributing music and the Google e-book store wait I thought about writing Google music no there's I remember the colors of the tabs can I have points for them I I won't be able to corroborate
01:17:01
this music was yellow books are red and apps are green this could be remember that the tabs movies and TV were added
01:17:06
later yeah wait so they they combined Google Music well it became Google Play Music as a
01:17:14
separate app and Google Books is still a separate app so they had the separate Google Play and movies app and it was
01:17:20
red and it was weirdly ugly and it was separate from you're right yeah I remember I believe you mean I'm right
01:17:27
so like how we're like confused by this but Google has literally been doing this dumb like 15 years so like why are we
01:17:35
confusing I just had such a crazy flashback that's fair and I see it in my mind do you remember the yellow
01:17:41
headphones I used for Google Play music yeah yeah it was also it's that's also the AOSP icon for uh audio on on AOSP
01:17:50
they kind of look like m50s but they're yellow they do I was adjusting they did kind of look like M50 this is the
01:17:55
nerdiest conversation yeah super in the weeds well that's why we do this uh I'm such a chat I don't know
01:18:03
all right so just to go over points David has five Marquez has three and uh seven I have seven I think nice official that's the official Mark now I
01:18:16
know who got paid off interesting interesting I think that's where we end it that is hey thanks for
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