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I'm also vibe coding an app right now called pina colocator. No, you're No, you're not. I have a working version of
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it on What does it locate? The nearest pina colada. It locates the nearest pinina colada and it rates it has
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ratings. That is insane, dude. I've actually mapped my action button to a series shortcut that just goes on Yelp
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and searches pina colada and sorts by near nearest to me. See, but if we released if we released a
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phone that had a dedicated locator button, totally different. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, uh, we've got, let's see, a Samsung unpacked event date and some
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leaks of what might be announced there. A quick explanation on why we haven't done video on Spotify yet. We also got
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some brief early robo taxis. I'm doing air quotes for audio listeners. Robo taxi tests. Uh Fairphone 6. And we're
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also going to try to explain to David the NBA finals in tech terms. And I have a small camera segment that I want to
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rant about. It's all happening. Yeah. Right now. But first, Mario Kart World. You wanted to talk about Mario Kart World, the game. I know Adam also wants to and I'm sure David probably does too. I played I played some. Have you played
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Knockout? I did play Knockout Tour. It is quite fun. is Knockout is the most fun I've had in Mario Kart ever. I think
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the format. Yeah, it's so much fun. Yeah, it's 15ish minutes of just complete chaos and I enjoy every second
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of it. I love it. So, for people that don't know, generally when you're doing a pre in Mario Kart, like generally, you
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play like four different courses and it's just four different races and you go around like three times each course.
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This one in Knockout Tour, you just drive the entire time and you go through multiple courses and the courses blend
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into each other and it's like 15 minutes long and it's quite fun and it's like Fortnite at the same time and Marquez Brownley if you're playing with Marquez.
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That's a good point. It's basically Mario Kart Battle Royale because there's like checkpoints that start knocking out
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X amount of people throughout it. So, I think the first time is like you have to be top 20, then top 16, then 12, and it
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keeps saying like make sure you're in the 12. Um, and because there's so many people and the like the way it always
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seems to be split up is one or two people out in front, this huge group of people in the middle, and then like a
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couple in the back. If you get hit in the front with like a blue shell or something, there's just like a beehive
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of players and items behind you. The you can go in first place by a mile to like
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20th place in a couple seconds. It feels like I like that they also added a way to avoid blue shells now. Well, there's
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they've always had this speaker which can avoid Well, yeah. Yeah, but you can like you can stop and then like reverse right before it hits you. Can you
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really? I did not know that. What? I did not know that. They added a bunch of really insane tech to this game like
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Yeah, you can like jump off walls now and you can do all this. They added a lot of insane tech like technology like
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reverse. Well, some of the like speedrun videos that are out right now just don't even look like they're playing Mario
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Kart. Yeah, it looks like a totally different game. Yeah, they like cut across the middle and wall ride and like ride the invisible wall into a grind
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grind grind and stuff like that. But Knockout feels just so chaotic that like anyone kind of feels like they have a
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chance. Um, my only thing I don't love about it is it seems really like straight. There's not a ton of turning
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and maybe that's the like com the between maps thing where it's just kind of like keep going. But I wanted more
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drifting. Yeah, that makes sense. I have a complaint about Mario Kart. Cool. Um,
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okay. So, in where I live, my friend David Kogan has this cafe called Coffee Check, and it's great. And in the back,
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he has this giant 100 inch TV. It's a really big. So, dude, it's huge. It's really big. I saw it a few weeks ago, too. It's It's like It's big. So, we we've been having Mario Kart nights back
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there. They limit you to four people on one on a TV, and if you want to like We had a party of like 20 people, right? on a 100 inch TV, I want to be able to have
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like 20 different racers, right? And you can connect a bunch of Joy-Cons to a Switch. But you you can only do local Mario Kart with a lot of people if you
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have the main Switch hooked up to the TV with four people. And then each individual other Switch can only have
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two people per Switch. So, you have to have instead of being able to play on like a giant TV with like a ton of
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different mini screens, you have to basically have a bunch of extra switches and you can only put two per people per
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extra switch. And it's just like it just feels like a waste of space. And I understand that the Switch does not know
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the screen size of the TV it's hooked up. Like, there's no way you have a 100in screen. Yeah. But what if I have a
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sevenin screen and I want to put 20 races on it? I feel like that's I mean, you let them suffer that part. It's like
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still that somebody picking to put eight screens on a 30-in TV, which is not going to make sense. But I do agree. The
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only game I've ever found that can put more than four, and I'm probably wrong, but Bomber Man is super fun to bring to
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a party because how many you can put on that? I think you put eight because it's all on the same screen. It's not Yeah, it's the same thing with um Super Smash
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Bros. You can have you can have up to eight players now. Uh but it's all on the same screen as well. Yeah, I think
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the multiscreen it might be a compute limit thing. like you can't have eight different races happening on well eight
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different perspectives on the same screen because of the compute not because of the UI fastest game console
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or potentially well you can hook up multiple like Bomberman you can have eight controllers on so I I I haven't
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played Mario Kart I haven't I haven't I haven't game like that but when I was watching other people do the four player
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split screen the frame rate was definitely kind of eating it I didn't notice when we played and we're on the
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like 85 ink television When you guys were when you guys No, when you guys were playing here the other night, I
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kept being like that is not 30. That is not even 24. Yeah, it would like fluctuate. Like there would be certain I
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don't know. Maybe it's cuz I wasn't locked in and driving, but watching like the background elements go by and stuff, I was like, "This thing is chugging. I
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can tell it's chugging to render four cameras." Locked in. We didn't even notice. You would I think so. It wasn't
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It wasn't subtle. It was like Oh. Like Yeah. That's the perfect description of Switch gaming. It's like it's not really about the fidelity and like having the most incredible specs and and highest
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compute. It's just like I like this game. I want to play this game. The new the Switch 2 though, like they really,
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you know, they took that idea, but then they were like, but what if also it looked like Unreal Engine, which is kind of nice. A lot of frames. But, you know,
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do you know what my biggest complaint about Mario Kart is? What? You can't change the wheels on your carts. Oh,
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yeah. Like, you used to be able to pick cart, parachute, wheels, and character. Now you only choose cart and character,
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right? I also don't think there's enough courses. There's like seven different worlds with four courses each or
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something and I feel like that's not enough. I haven't gone that deep into it, but eight was around for ever,
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right? And just kept adding, so I'm sure there'll be more. Yeah. So, also, uh, Dunkey put out a full actual review of
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Mario Kart. So good. It's so good. He's so good. But it's very funny. You should go watch it. Anyway, um now that we're
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done with the Nintendo Switch 2 gaming podcast, it's time for the phone show gadget. It's time for like the stuff that this whole podcast was built off of. Come on,
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guys. We got to kick up the energy. Okay, this is a this is a phone. We got to get excited. Come on. Let's First
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Waveform episode ever was about the second Unpacked event. Second ever? No, no, no. Like, do they call both of them unpacking? Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah. the secondary. This was a trivia
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question. Was it really? Yeah. Well, I get a point, right? Got the point. So, I mean, they do the Galaxy S unpacked at the beginning of the year and then they do the foldables in like August or something earlier.
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Now, now it's Yeah. But they should call the second one uh unpacked to electric bugaloo or galaxy bugaloo. Something
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like that. Or two Sam. I like that. Unpacked. That joke never gets old. I like that. I actually
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tweeted that joke six years ago. Get Wait, did Andrew show you the Photoshop template he made? I'm never going to live this down. I'm sorry.
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[Music] Andrew made a Photoshop template so that you could just type anything in and it
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would come up as a tweet you made six days ago. I'll save this. I hate everything.
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Okay. Well, anyway, a Samsung unpacked. Yeah, we're expecting some foldable phones like usual. Fold and flip 7. So,
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that's not like that's not shocking. We we get we get the fold and the flip the same time each year. So, we're expecting those. Yeah. Um but also in the
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invitation they're saying ultra unfold. So, ultra fold. I'm so excited. It's going to be like the fold seven ultra.
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Yeah. What does that mean? Do we think so? Yeah. I don't Okay, right now it looks like it's potentially thinner. I think that they should put the S Pen in it finally because we have been saying
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they're going to do that for like literally forever. And if the 84 85year-old woman at the
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airport can use a fold with an S Pen that was probably attached to the case on the outside. Yeah, they should add it
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to the inside so she can use it. The more I think about that, the more crazy that sounds. Isn't it make sense though?
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It makes sense old people should use Galaxy Folds. Yeah. Pixel. Absolutely. I'm It's gonna be three trillion
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dollars. I'm gonna run my next Maril campaign on that. The So, the reason we think it's thinner
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is just the way the like invitation kind of opens with like it looking. Yeah. Or has there been reports of it being
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thinner? I have not seen. No, I don't think so. I don't know. Um Oh, better camera. That's what they said it was, right? I think that's what people were
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saying. Did they? All my rumors are on the flip cuz the folds never have the the actual S cameras. They always have
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like worse cameras because they're because they're thinner because Marquez always says that like that's pretty much the only difference now between like a
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Pro and a nonpro is like how many cameras it has, but the the ultras have always had the best cameras, right, in
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Samsung devices and then the folds do not. Yeah. So, the rumor is that this will have the ultra or will I don't know
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if it'll be the ultra camera, but it's defin I think it's supposed to be at least better than the the regular fold cameras how they usually are. But if
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it's going to be like an ultra phone, why not put the ultra cameras on because money? Well, I mean, we can charge more.
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People will probably still pay for That is a rumor I have. It does seem like they're probably charging more because there was a Italian electronics website
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that accidentally leaked the prices. I guess they like put the prices up on their website with the code names for
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it, but someone found out and it seems like the uh Fold is €200 more and the Flip is hundred more expensive than last year. Interesting. Is there There's not a flip ultra though, right? No, but
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there I do I think Evan Blast may have tweeted about it, but a Galaxy Flip 7 FE, so a cheaper flip version, which makes sense cuz Razer did that and
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actually made a like super reasonably priced or Motorola, sorry, the Motorola Razer had
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two years ago. Yeah, they still have a cheap one. They still have a $600 one. I That's like the the flip that style
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feels like the folding phone for like the regular people. So, I think having a lot of flips on the subway, they're
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quite popular in New York. I've been seeing a lot more folds lately, too. I had not seen any folds for the longest.
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I've only seen flips. And recently, I've been seeing like random folds in in the wild. Like shirts that are unste. Yeah,
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like they need ironing out. The Samsung Pete. Crumple phone is coming. Yes. But yeah, $2,000 Fold 7 this year. Do we think
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it's full 7 ultra? Fold seven ultra. Do we know is there going to be an ultra and a regular one or is it just going to be the ultra? It would be very Samsung to have both to have a fold 7 and a fold
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7 ultra. That'd be so ridiculous cuz it's just two different price points. Yeah. 1799.
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They should make an ultra fold 7 FE, but the screen comes broken when you get it.
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That's as a call back to the original Fold. Yeah. fan edition only stands one uses the original fold screen. So you
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think we're going to get four phones at this event? Yeah, I wouldn't check me. Seven ultra, seven regular, 7 flip, 7
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flip fe. Listen, if this was an Apple event, we'd be like, "Wo, four phones? That's slow." Like Yeah, but this is the second event already. But it's Samsung.
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Yeah. Yeah. Who already has 90 other phone models. Yeah. So this is just what's four more. What do you think like
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the like do you think we're going to get the seven edge flip FE ultra pro? Pro Max. Yeah, why not? Yeah. You know, I really really hope that the Ultra is like a significant bump because every
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single year, every Samsung phone is like it's the same. Yeah. The past couple years of folds have been very small improvements. Little tiny bit of a hinge dimension improvement, a little bit of
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like thinner bezel. Yeah, the flips definitely, but the folds for like three or four generations have been very
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similar. So, curious to see how that turns out. I'm expecting the Snapdragon 8 Elite. Hopefully other stuff also gets
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better as well. Yeah. Okay. Uh yeah, it's crazy. We're on fold seven already. I know to think about that actually. Old
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and we're on the watch 8. Maybe they should adopt the Apple thing and just say watch 2026.
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I mean, do you do it? They did it with the phones already. They did it with the phones already, right? I think it kind
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of makes sense. I mean, Razer does that. Not Mo Motorola, but the the gaming company Razer with their laptops. They
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just call it like Blade 2025 or whatever. I think that's smart. It is. Well, do you want to talk about something actually visual, which is we we've seen the whole Galaxy Watch 8
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lineup, and it's quite a bit different. At least the regular Galaxy Watch 8. We're going all squirle, baby. We're here. Um, the regular one. Yeah, look at
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the regular one compared last year was I mean it's always been just pretty or maybe not always but the last few
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generations have been just normal circle. Now we've got kind of this like Do you consider that a squirle? No, but
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the Ultra is squirly. Yeah, the Ultra is extra is like uh I feel like it's not that much different, just thinner. It's got like they all have circular screens but these little extra
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rounded edges on the outside of the screen. Like the case is where the circle. Yeah, that's weird. That's totally new. That's pretty weird. I think it looks good. I think it was
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pretty cool. I'm in the market for a new watch right now and seeing the Watch 8 classic, I was like, maybe that's what I
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want. Man, the classic has always been Samsung's best. The rotating bezel is fire. The rotating bezel is so good.
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This so fire. The golf, bro. The golf the golf edition. I think that's the cleanest one they've made. as someone
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who plays golf, as someone who doesn't play golf, doesn't use a Android, has never owned a Samsung phone other than my very first phone. And also, the minimal phone's Android. Uh, sorry, I
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meant Samsung, not Android. Okay. And uh, so yeah, I'm probably not the best, but when they dropped the Golf, I was like, I I like it. That's how they get
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them. Well, the watches, you know, Adam, can you tell me how do you feel about these watches? You raised the three of these and I was just looking. So, um, the Watch 8 classic, like this white
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render looks like a gift you would give a Stormtrooper on his wedding. That it does, but the Watch 8 classic, it reminds me a lot of like the Seikko Turtles. So, any watch people out there,
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there's like a brand called Seikko that makes a billion watches. There's one called the Turtle, which has like a
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squirkle cushion case thing. Sure does. And it gives me that vibe. Yeah, true. Especially because it looks like That's what I was trying to figure out in these pictures. It looks like there's a rotating bezel on it. There is on the
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classic. Yeah. So then on the Ultra there isn't. It looks like. No. No. Okay. So in that case, I like the
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classic a lot more than the Ultra this time around. Oh, so you do like the rotating bevel. I love the the rotating
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bezels. And why did you do that? I didn't. Wow. You just can't see what their new board is. They got too tall.
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For for video viewers and for audio listeners, they have a giant new mixer. What? No. What were you talking about? We've been doing this forever. You can barely see their shirts. Everything's exa exactly the same.
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They're not going to hear that, right? No, no, no. We can record that now. Oh, we're new board.
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Okay. Um, yeah. So, the classic is would be the one that I go with just because it has that aesthetic and I really love
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the the whole diver watch aesthetic. Do you use the Galaxy watches or like what? I use the Ultra when it came out after
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Marquez's review. I borrowed it for like a week or two and I tried it. Um, I liked it. It's just the battery life was
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not great. Oh. In in my usage. What do you use now? Now I'm I'm using a Moon Swatch, which is Oh, very nice. That's cute. Who got you that? Is that Android? You guys did um No, this is a a quartz
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watch. But my the smartwatch that I use is Pixel Watch 3 and Garmin, depending what I'm doing. Those are the the two.
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But Garmin, you don't have to charge like ever. Like that's what I want out of an Ultra. If they're going to do another Galaxy Watch Ultra like this,
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let me not charge it for two weeks. That was supposed to be the selling point. They were like, "It's got same thing with Apple. The Ultras just don't have
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the battery life to match days." Because every time they improve the things on the inside, they also give it a bigger,
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brighter screen than ever before. And they just neutral it out. They neutral each other out and they go, "Hey, it's all day. All day." It's like, "How about
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all multiple days?" It is all days, all seven days. It's called Ultra. But actually, Hela, who we've spoken to on the podcast before, he had a video recently where he was talking about his experiences using all of these different
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watches while running actual ultramarathons. And the Apple Watch Ultra was the only one that died. Yeah.
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Like, well, remember when we interviewed him, he said that he would basically like be running and he'd take it off and
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hand it to somebody to charge while he was running and then he'd put it back on. And he literally only uses it because that's where his like streak is
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cuz he has like a crazy 4,000 day streak or something. But that's where he uh I mean Apple added a feature where you can
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pause your streak. They did the newest version like would you like to pause your rings? It's like yeah you can just
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pause it for how long and how many times can you indefinitely. You can just pause them. Yeah. Yeah. Completely defeat the
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purpose. Sounds fun, right? If you're going to like if you're sick or you break your leg off a bit and like
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something happens and you can't keep your streak, you lost your streak. Just like if I'm in the good One Piece arc
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and I don't have time to run. Bye streak. Just watch it while you're running. No. Okay, probably a good idea.
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Regardless, we don't really know much about these watches. They look mostly the same. Um hopefully the people out there that are big fans are continue to
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be good big fans. But speaking of watching, that's right. Well done. Very nice. Spotify video. People have been asking us about this for every I literally
00:19:03
can't read about anything without people being like, "Why isn't the video on Spotify?" Yeah. Why can't I watch this on Spotify? Spotify just doesn't have
00:19:10
good search. That's like the number one reason I would not put video on Spotify. I would say the number one reason we don't do it is like we put a lot of
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effort into our production quality and like we think YouTube is the best place to watch. Then you also have the effort
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that we put in. Well, we also need to make money. Well, yeah. Okay. So that's the other large reason, which I'll get into a little deeper, but like for real,
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we put a lot of effort into the production of this and YouTube's the best place to watch that good production. So that's what we trust the
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most. Um I'd rather watch it on my uh smartwatch, Spotify app screen. It's the That's the best way to watch Waveform. I don't Yeah, I think all of us here would agree. Does anyone here use Spotify
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video? I do. No, I don't even use Spotify podcasts. I do sometimes, but yeah, I don't watch
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the video versions. I will say it is nice to have a video. I think this is the thing that people want when you're
00:20:00
listening to the audio and the host like we do sometimes is like pointing something out or we show a render on the
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screen to just be able to like glance at your phone and see the video is pretty helpful and I think that's more what people want. I don't think that people
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are necessarily like clamoring for YouTube in Spotify. Like it's just like to have the extra context of things
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where your player already is. Mhm. Another reason, and this has been an ongoing thing for many months, um, and a
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website called Digi Day just did an article about kind of how the creator partner program in Spotify has been working and why it's, you know, really
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good for some people and really bad for other people. So, we happen to be in the bad scenario, which is we're kind of
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we're in the bad. Well, we're not in the bad place. We're avoiding the bad place. Um, I'll do a really quick breakdown of
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this, but basically if you are a podcast not associated with a network, it's probably an awesome thing because you're
00:20:52
not using dynamically inserted ads. You're not really selling much ad space probably or if you're independent not
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doing that. There is a Spotify partner program where if you get views on your videos, you will get paid for it. We are
00:21:02
part of a network kind of like YouTube. We and a lot of other podcasts are part of a network and the main way a lot of
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these networks make money is through uh dynamically inserted edge which can be obviously inserted differently depending
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on wherever we put ad breaks. Um so like we are under Vox Podcast Network. We were under Studio 71 before. The reason we're with these is because we started a podcast when we had never done a podcast before. They've been a
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ton of help helping us succeed in the podcast world which is awesome because they have no say in our episodes. All
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they do is sell ads here. Um, and we work with them to do that. And they've helped with a lot of stuff in terms of
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uh, why can't I think of the word distributing and the live show and stuff like that. Um, distribution. They're
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great partners in that sense. The problem with uploading videos to the Spotify partner program in this is that
00:21:51
it removes our opportunity to put in dynamically inserted ads. I believe even in the audio section of Spotify. So for
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a lot of people like us who this is how one of the main ways we make money and keep this podcast afloat. You know we
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have five people working here on it now it would severely cut revenue in that and that's why a lot of people are super hesitant um especially because Spotify doesn't have the best track record of
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paying people on their platform very well when it comes to partner program stuff like that. Musicians at least from
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what we've seen. So, you know, this is ongoing. I'm sure things will change. I know Vox is probably working with
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Spotify in some sense and keeping up to date with everything, but really quick, that's why we are not on Spotify video
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right now. Could change in the future. We'll see how it goes. But that's like a really big risk. And from what I know, I
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don't think you can go back once you do it. Oh, I might not be totally sure on that, but but I also think it's just like the use case. Like in YouTube, the
00:22:53
reason we upload the video for YouTube since the beginning is the searchability and discoverability. And pla podcasts do
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not have that. And Spotify right now, anything that they it's pretty much like what they decide to push is what gets discovered. Uh for better or for worse. So if we upload video, it's not
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necessarily going to be added to this giant search engine that's going to surface our podcast to people that we
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don't normally reach. It's just going to be for our immediate fans that can see it, which is good. But then, like you
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said, we miss out the dynamically inserted ads and it it opens up a whole other can of worms that we haven't quite
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figured out yet and that Spotify quite hasn't figured out yet. Yeah. And we don't want to risk our good show a good
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thing going with that. Still pretty early. We're YouTubers first. We think a lot of our audience, even if you listen
00:23:40
to the audio podcast, like you are also probably a YouTube consumer. We like interacting with you guys in the YouTube
00:23:46
comments. We like to keep you guys in this one place where we can have this fluid conversation. Um, I think in the
00:23:52
future there is a way there's probably some sort of way that we can allow people to get out of the Spotify app and quickly look at something like I wish you could just put like a slideshow with
00:24:03
your Spotify podcast so that when we need to show someone a picture they could stop doing the dishes, pull out their phone, look at it. But, you know,
00:24:11
if we made a federated version of uh YouTube, I was just thinking that six years ago, it's so crazy. That's actually crazy. You were ahead of the curve. So ahead of the curve. I will say
00:24:24
I do think it's interesting how hard Spotify is attacking this though. Like they keep adding features to their
00:24:30
podcast like Yeah. section of Megaphone, which is their service that we use to upload audio and stuff. Yeah. So, like
00:24:36
for example, the comments, you can comment on Spotify and I do read those. Those are pretty pretty funny. People
00:24:42
people pretty clever in there. But again, like the amount of of comments we get on Spotify versus YouTube is just
00:24:47
like not even comparable. It's like insane. And I also get all the analytics and the number of Spotify, the number of
00:24:55
people listening to the podcast on Spotify is like pretty much the same slash going down. We have other people
00:25:01
like Pocketcast doing good work that's like dragging people away and YouTube music whatever they decide to take
00:25:07
podcast seriously will be another competitor. So it's just like there's so much up in the air right now. It is interesting how many people listen to
00:25:12
podcasts on Spotify now. Like when I send anyone a podcast and I'm like, "Listen to this." They always open it in
00:25:18
Spotify and I'm like, "Wow, that's crazy." Because it it seems like at least in America, we are more we we we
00:25:26
want more dedicated stuff. Like we don't like super apps here as much. Like in China, they have WeChat, which you can
00:25:32
do everything in. You can call your taxi in it. You can pay your taxes in it. You can do freaking everything in WeChat. Yeah. But here, it's like, you know, one
00:25:39
company having all that data about you people are not that comfortable with. So, it's it's interesting to me that people have, you know, I guess it was a
00:25:46
good move by Spotify to like push into the podcast space because every single normal person that I talk to uses
00:25:53
Spotify for podcast, which I just don't like. Something that's annoying for me on Spotify podcast when you listen to
00:25:59
one podcast on Spotify, it starts like surfacing podcasts in your like you should listen to this and it's like I
00:26:04
just want to listen to music in my music app. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I do want like a separate section for podcasts usually. When I think of
00:26:10
Spotify, I think of music typically. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Yeah, agreed. Also, YouTube is still the number one podcast
00:26:16
player. YouTube is the number one everything. It's they're bigger than Netflix. They're bigger than everything.
00:26:21
Search is just so good. That's what they're do. Trust me, they're doing plenty of things with podcasts that I have no idea if they're going to work or
00:26:27
not, but it still discoverability seems like the best thing. Yes. Um, wait, can I take back something I said about
00:26:33
Spotify a few weeks ago? No, you cannot. That's it. No takes backies, Andrew. I said I was starting to enjoy Spotify DJ
00:26:41
and I regret that. I tried I continued to keep using it. It played me the same songs like three weeks in a row every day. It was just like the same five songs. It thinks I love Forgetting
00:26:55
Myself by Third Eye Blind. And then this morning it stopped that and went I'm going to bring you back to something you've had your eye on. Semi- charm life
00:27:02
right after. I think they even hacked your algorithm. Greatest song of all time. That's the
00:27:09
first song on bangersononly.net every every week. Okay, so um that's it for now for the Spotify stuff, but I think we're going to take a quick break and when we're back, we have a lot of stuff.
00:27:20
Yeah, which means it's time for trivia. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Wave For Trivia. So guys, in the news
00:27:35
today, we had IO and IO getting mad at each other legally speaking about which vaporware company was going to not release products harder. Um, but today's
00:27:48
question is in fact about this and whoever on their whiteboard can name the most acronyms or definitions of IO gets today's point. And I just a few rules. I
00:28:00
will accept places, but I will not accept like people's names and I will not accept I think that's the only thing I won't accept. I think I'm looking for acronyms, definitions, places.
00:28:14
Uh, just know like you can't say like Ingred Orinson. I don't know. That's like an imaginary Swedish person I just made up. Um, thanks. Or no, uh, I don't
00:28:27
know. You guys, you guys get the idea. So yeah, most IO definitions and acronyms. Um, can I also say something?
00:28:33
Absolutely, David. Um, Johnny IV, the whole IO thing with Johnny IV. Uh, the the purchase of OpenAI by buying their own company um with Johnny IV slapped
00:28:45
onto it is still happening. Yeah. But they removed all the IO branding from the company while this lawsuit while
00:28:52
this lawsuit happens. No one's Sam Alman is like we like they wanted to get bought and we said no and it seems like
00:28:58
IO was like they wanted to buy us and we said no and no one can agree and it's fine because they're both making fake stuff anyway. Allegedly. Allegedly. I think there will be something from the
00:29:10
open AI thing but I but I don't know if it'll be good. Yeah, it'll be love. That's true. Love from Johnny IV. That was good. Well, because his design frame is called
00:29:22
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more at salesforce.com/ aentforce. I have another story. Um, this is a story about cars, and it's it's actually kind of a a fighting
00:30:40
story. be be really careful because the last time I talked about cars on this podcast, I didn't hear the end of it for
00:30:46
like six weeks. Oh, I got you. No, this is all this is all real and this is all interesting. You remember CarPlay Ultra
00:30:52
Ultra? Remember last WWDC when they first showed us CarPlay Ultra? I think that was two WC ago. Was it two? Yeah.
00:30:59
Two years ago they showed us CarPlay Ultra and they were like, "Trust us, it's coming to a bunch of car makers." And they told us, you know, people don't
00:31:04
buy cars unless they have CarPlay. and we went really interesting and then that we moved on and I don't know if you
00:31:11
remember but there were a whole bunch of like manufacturer logos on those pages and Apple's essentially through these
00:31:18
these presentations promising that it's going to be coming to more cars and more car manufacturers soon. Yeah, this
00:31:24
latest update, you know, it's been two years now, uh is essentially a bunch of car manufacturers going, "Hey, yeah, we
00:31:33
we don't want that. We're not doing the CarPlay Ultra thing. The announcement is now the the latest three are Mercedes,
00:31:39
Audi, and Volvo are are out on CarPlay Ultra. CarPlay Ultra being specifically the version of CarPlay that also takes
00:31:46
over the like dash and the the tachometer behind the steering wheel, all that extra stuff in your car. And
00:31:53
all the comments are kind of just along the same lines of like, yeah, why would any car manufacturer want to support
00:31:58
CarPlay Ultra? It's bad enough that they're getting giving up full control over that entertainment screen. Why
00:32:05
would they give up the whole car? There's a great quote in here from uh one executive at Rainol uh who's
00:32:11
developing a vehicle mainly controlled by software. Renault and they told Apple quote,
00:32:19
"Don't try to invade our own systems." Dang. So, it's pretty clear a lot of car manufacturers are not into it. The only ones that seem to still be in are, and we don't have all the M models yet, but
00:32:30
are Porsche, Aston Martin, and Hyundai Kia, that like sort of company. And that's it. And the only ones we've seen so far are just the Top Gear video of them showing it to us on that Aston
00:32:44
Martin DBX77. I think that's the only vehicle I've seen running CarPlay Ultra. Yeah. The one that can afford two years
00:32:49
ago when they first showed it off. Yeah. So, CarPlay Ultra kind of running up against a wall here. I don't know if you
00:32:55
guys are like expecting to try to run CarPlay Ultra, if you're interested in CarPlay Ultra, or if you just don't
00:33:00
care. Seems like most people don't care. I think it's vaguely interesting, but I'm also not very interested in something that requires one platform, an iPhone. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:14
Do you think this is what Apple did for their Apple car uh platform? They were like, "We're going to make the car." And
00:33:19
so they designed the software for the car and they were like, "Oh man, designing like the manufacturing cars is hard. What if we just took the software
00:33:25
we made and put it in other people's cars?" That's a whole other can of worms because if you're going to design a car and your Apple, people also expect it to
00:33:32
be electric. They expect it to be fully self-driving, which we'll get to in a second. So there's a whole bunch of more
00:33:37
stuff that comes from tech. Gave up on it. Also, the whole manufacturing part, which is like what bankrupts most companies. Yeah. So yeah, I think uh as far as being a car a high-tech car
00:33:49
startup, there was a lot of variables in play and Apple can do software. Yeah, but what if they just took over the
00:33:54
software without making a car? No. Ah, you sound like Renault. Do Yeah. Do you know what company, funny enough, does seem still seem to be going forward with CarPlay Ultra? Aston Martin. Which one?
00:34:06
Take a guess. One you wouldn't expect. Well, the ones that I know about are Porsche, Aston Martin, and Hyundai. So,
00:34:11
what's one you wouldn't expect because of the software it already has? Oh, Tesla Rivian Polestar.
00:34:18
Well, not that you wouldn't expect it, but their whole basis already is Android Automotive, but it seems like they're
00:34:23
still in on CarPlay Ultra. I think that they're just like, "No, they're they're one of the ones out. They're one of the
00:34:29
ones out or at least Volvo's out. Is Pstar in today?" No, this is from like two weeks ago. That's not from today.
00:34:36
Um, but still seems like they're still possibly in it. I would say that they're probably out. I would assume they were out. They're in a quantum superp position of in and out.
00:34:48
Function will collapse when you buy your next pole star because you have to observe it yourself. The moment you look at it, it becomes Android Automotive or
00:34:56
Apple. This article from today says that Mercedes, Audi, and Volvo and Pstar and
00:35:02
Renault are all distancing themselves from this project. So, a lot's happened in the last two weeks. So, just kidding.
00:35:08
Yeah. You know what's hilarious? Who hasn't said that they're they're leaving CarPlay Ultra? Jaguar. Because less than
00:35:16
a year ago, the Jaguar design team was like, "We have no idea what anybody wants from us." That's very true. Yeah. They should just accept that. Yeah. It
00:35:27
doesn't matter what they do. Yeah. They should they should just be like, "Apple, please design stuff for us. Please copy nothing." Yeah. Okay. I have a very
00:35:34
stupid fundamental question about all this that you guys can maybe help me with. Okay. So, if I get a car Yeah. and
00:35:40
it has Android Automotive Yeah. but then I buy an iPhone Uhhuh. can I and it supports CarPlay. CarPlay Ultra. Can I
00:35:46
plug in and it just takes over the car? Does the car This theoretical car supports CarPlay Ultra and runs Android
00:35:53
Automotive? Yes. CarPlay Ultra or CarPlay in general? CarPlay Ultra specifically this one, which is what the I don't think it's exclusive, right?
00:35:59
It's it's what the That's what was going to do. Yeah. In this theoretical world where that car exists. Yeah. You plug in
00:36:05
your iPhone or you connect your iPhone and it takes over all of the screens in the car. Like buying one doesn't lock me
00:36:11
into the phone. That's the big question. Yeah. Um that's a question. Like the Ashton Martin right now, if I have an
00:36:17
Android phone, it doesn't do Android Auto. It will not do Android. It will not do CarPlay Ultra. It will not do CarPlay Ultra. Yeah, CarPlay Ultra still
00:36:24
relies on the iPhone. Aston Martin does do CarPlay Ultra, right? Right. The new one. But you need an iPhone to do that. Oh, is that where you're saying? So, if I have an Android phone and I have an Aston Martin cuz I'm
00:36:36
awesome. Yeah. When I plug in, when you plug in, you will get the normal Android Auto experience. You do not get CarPlay
00:36:42
Ultra. CarPlay Ultra is if you have an iPhone, you connect it, it takes over all the screens. No, no wonder car
00:36:49
manufacturers don't want to be involved in this. Like, dude, why would you make the most expensive product you own lock
00:36:56
you into a phone ecosystem? That doesn't make any sense. Well, there are lots of cars that have one or the other. It's
00:37:02
less common now, but there have been plenty that have been like only CarPlay or only Android Auto. Yeah, there's like different levels of connecting your
00:37:08
phone to your car. You can just connect via Bluetooth in theory and then just like play whatever audio coming from
00:37:13
your phone and put your phone in the dash and that's whatever. But the incar software usually sucks. So, what if your
00:37:20
house was like this? What if you're like, damn, I really want to try the new ROG phone, but I I have an Apple house.
00:37:25
Well, that's not entirely fictional. Yeah, cuz think about Home Punk kid and No, no, no, no, no. Totally. But I mean like I just spent, you know, half a million dollars on a house and now in
00:37:37
order to change my thousand devices ecosystem, I would literally have to restructure the entire financial future
00:37:44
of my life, which I get a car is not half a million dollars, but also it could be. It is often times something
00:37:50
you pay off over the course of decades. So it's like decades. Yeah. Still does have its own UI though. Like the Aston
00:37:56
Martin still has its own UI. If it's not if you have an Android phone, it's just the Aston or regular Android. My house
00:38:03
has light switches, but I still want to use the HomePod, you know. Well, this is this is HomeKit basically. This is why
00:38:08
matter is important. There are people who who move into super fancy high-rise apartments with iPads embedded in the walls. Yeah, that's kind of kind of like
00:38:19
that. Yeah, that's true. Sort of locked in. And honestly like most people are fine like they they are not upset that
00:38:27
they are locked into an ecosystem. You know what I mean? I guess I'm that way. They actually bully people who are in other ecosystems. Right. Exactly. Like
00:38:34
we I'm also that way. We cover all That's true. We we cover like all this stuff. So we're interested and like we
00:38:39
want to try something but it's hard for us to even try something when it doesn't work with the ecosystem that we're locked into. But most people like most
00:38:46
people like oh yeah just give me the new iPhone. Give me the new AirPods. Give me the new MacBook. You're so right, David.
00:38:51
Like, yeah, I will admit on the podcast, just so everyone knows, I've been curious about the S Pen for a while.
00:38:59
I've really wanted to try it. Never going to. Unfortunate because you can't. Yeah, cuz I literally can't. That's
00:39:05
exactly what I'm saying. Because I'm staring at Adam's S Pen right now and I'm just like, if there was a smart pen
00:39:10
protocol for your phone. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Saying a federated smart pen universe. Well, speaking of uh speaking of cars and and fantastical future
00:39:22
stories, uh there was also an event or at least some happenings in Austin, Texas this past week. Did you any you guys see what happened in Texas? I did. It was pretty funny. I was I was tagged
00:39:32
about a thousand times in tweets about what was happening in Texas. Most of which uh lacked reading comprehension
00:39:39
skills, but that's okay. That's okay because we can still talk about it because it was interesting. Grock
00:39:45
context, please. Is this so here's the context. Uh Tesla finally started doing test runs that the quote public can use of robo taxis in Austin, Texas. It's a
00:39:59
small geo fenced part of Austin and these are Tesla Model Wise. In fact, I can pull up all the stipulations of
00:40:05
exactly the restrictions. Um it ran from Oh, I need my my tab open here. So, if you wanted to do one of those robo taxi rides, you could uh pick an area in this
00:40:17
defined geol location. You're already missing one. If you were an influencer selected to do one of the rides so far,
00:40:24
part of it, you have to be selected. Yeah. Yeah, they were like invited. Invite only. I think it was invite only. Okay. So, for this test, it has invite
00:40:30
only, but essentially this was model wise where there was nobody sitting in the driver's seat, but there was a Tesla
00:40:37
employee sitting in the passenger seat. We assume that that is required for some
00:40:42
reason. Um, we know the reason. Well, you know, we don't kill switch. It's a safety monitor. There's some speculation about what they're doing in the front seat. There is some UI on the screen that allows them to tell it to stop or
00:40:54
pull over, and they all seem to always have their hand on the handle. We don't know why or what that means. Tesla hasn't told us. But the point is,
00:41:00
there's a Tesla employee in the front of the car, but not the driver's seat. Very important. Not the driver's seat. You could call the car. It runs from 6:00
00:41:06
a.m. to midnight. It doesn't run in all weather situations, but in the perfect weather that we saw videos of, it was
00:41:13
taking people to Yeah. various restaurants. Not the airport though. Not the airport. Well, this is a small area.
00:41:19
Didn't have any highways in it. It was up to about 35 mph, but it was taking people around. It kind of resembled what
00:41:25
you might see from a Whimo, except a Whimo doesn't have someone in the front seat. It's just a different system
00:41:31
altogether. Uh, but this is Tesla's thing. All rides were $4.20 20 cents just cuz it was easy to, you know,
00:41:38
because there's like 20 people that were allowed to do promotional flat rate. We don't have to charge people. We're not making money from this yet. Uh, onboard
00:41:45
cameras would monitor passenger behavior apparently. And if you're under 18, you can't do one of these rides, but it is a
00:41:51
big step theoretically towards this future of what Tesla is imagining, which is robo taxis all over the world, or at
00:41:57
least all over the parts of the world that allow it that will just drive people around with no driver. Didn't they also have a car that was like
00:42:04
driving behind it to make sure that nothing would happen? I don't. No, I thought I read that on the verge. I was
00:42:09
watching videos from the people who were there. One from Dan from What's Inside, one from Kim, and it was just called
00:42:15
that in the app. You'd get into the back seat. There would be a Tesla employee in the front seat, and then you'd hit the go button on the screen, and from that
00:42:22
back seat, you'd just have the car drive you, and if anything weird started to happen, the employee could stop the car
00:42:28
or pause it or or take over, whatever they had to do. But they did you see any videos of anyone stopping it? I saw two
00:42:34
videos. I saw one video of the car following a UPS truck. The UPS truck pulled up to clearly start to reverse into a spot. The robo taxi didn't get the signal and just continued right into
00:42:47
the path of the UPS truck. So, the employee reached over and stopped it to allow the UPS truck to back in. I saw
00:42:53
that. Then I saw another video where there were no interjections, but it fully went to the wrong side of the road
00:42:59
and like wiggled and then came back to the right side of the road. And that was kind of weird, but nobody interjected. It was in a turn lane, went into the
00:43:05
turn lane, started to turn left, then just went straight. But ahead of it is the opposite side of the road and then
00:43:12
continued going forward until I got into the next turn lane. But that means for half of a block, it was in the wrong
00:43:18
lane of traffic. Yeah. But but no intervention. Yeah. Success. This article says in some cases Tesla is using chase cars and remote drivers as backup. Okay. I never saw, you know, I'm
00:43:30
watch going by the videos that I watched from the influencers who were invited. I don't know the criteria for the influencers invited. I was not invited.
00:43:36
So assume whatever you want about the criteria, but yeah, that was that happened. Uh there's two ways you can
00:43:43
interpret this. One, wow, big step. Tesla's on their way. Robo taxi coming soon. Marquez, get the Clippers ready.
00:43:51
or two, you know, I watch that and I see marketing. It's like another very beautiful Tesla showy thing to do. If someone's required to be in the front seat,
00:44:04
why not put them in the driver's seat? Because it looks way better when no one's in the driver's seat. If that
00:44:10
person's not going to intervene at all and is not going to grab the wheel, don't put them in the driver's seat. Put them in the passenger seat. But for some
00:44:16
reason, you need them still in the front seat. That was kind of a damper. The reason they're doing that is because they're being extremely cautious and
00:44:22
extremely safe about every any little incident that could happen. They want to make sure everything goes smoothly. A
00:44:27
very small number of people get invited to use this thing. Perfect conditions, geo fence location, small area, no
00:44:34
highways, you know, great weather only during the daytime. Like there's so many things that they're trying to do to make sure
00:44:40
this this little experiment goes well so they can build out on it and build out on it and build out on it. And maybe one
00:44:46
day it's all of Austin. Maybe one day it's all ours. one, maybe one day. There's nobody in the front seat, but
00:44:51
that's all maybe one day type stuff. So, if you want to read into this as being a successful test with a few
00:44:56
interventions, you can, but that's a really hard extrapolation to go all the way out to like robo taxis all over. I
00:45:03
also implore you to get in a whimo because they're really, really good. Yeah. And have been really for a long
00:45:09
time. But also use the same tricks at like remote drivers like constant monitoring by like centers internationally. You know, it's not it the the goalposts are not that far off
00:45:20
from what there's a lot of resurfaced talk about Whimo because of these tests, because of the things that Tesla has
00:45:27
said about geoence testing before. You know, Whimo being uh a lot of them are Jaguar Ipaces with a bunch of LAR sensors on top. Much more expensive to make a bunch of these taxis, but they
00:45:39
operate around a whole bunch of cities and without a driver in the front seat. And so naturally there are lots of
00:45:46
instances of them screwing up and people are bringing back up the footage now of oh look at what this Whimo couldn't do.
00:45:52
Oh look at this weird incident that this Whimo pulled off or oh look at all these things that Whimo has been doing behind the scenes. So this is a very difficult
00:45:58
technological problem to solve. I think as a fan of tech I'm just interested in hopefully these tests going well and
00:46:04
it's actually like working. I think a lot of people are like picking a horse like I only support the Tesla vision way
00:46:10
or I only support the LAR way and you will see these like sides fighting each other about like oh Liar's stupid it's
00:46:17
overpriced what a dumb idea but as a fan of tech I just want them both to get better just get better. I want them to actually work instead of fighting each other. So that's that's kind of where
00:46:28
I'm at. They're both not quite good enough for me to just want them to be everywhere yet. So is pretty damn good.
00:46:35
Whimo is good. It's in a couple cities. I don't think they're anywhere near the East Coast yet. So I'm like not taking that right. They're going to test in New
00:46:40
York again soon. There's plenty of videos of Whimo just being an absolute nuisance. For sure. And the the data
00:46:46
they put out on their own like service is doesn't line up with the data collected by independent uh observers either. So it's like not actually clear statistically how how good Whimo is.
00:46:59
Yeah. There was a neat article about how if you watch all of the videos from all these people invited to the Tesla event
00:47:05
and you go, "Okay, well, there's only a few days of recording and two or three major instances, then you extrapolate
00:47:12
that to however many millions of miles you want them to drive and how many major instances that is. Clearly, it
00:47:17
must get better before it scales up." Yeah. I just Ellis's crazy corner moment. I just want to press like even if Whimo does work really well on an individual level, it
00:47:29
is not clear what mass adoption of Whimos will do to a metro area. You know what I mean? It's not clear what it will do to traffic. It's not clear what it'll do to accidents. There are lots of studies that say lots of things on both
00:47:40
side of the agreement. I heard a really funny Whimo story this week of someone in either Austin or LA who has a Whimo
00:47:48
who operates like that Whimo's territory is his neighborhood and it has chosen the parking spot right in front of his
00:47:55
house as the wait for my next ride spot. And so every day he comes home and there's a Whimo in his parking spot with
00:48:01
no one in it just waiting for a ride to call. And if you wait next to the Whimo for like 10 minutes and it detects that
00:48:07
you're waiting, it will go and find another spot and like give you a spot. But yeah, every day to invest in a large cone. Every day he comes home and has to
00:48:14
wait for a way to move. Yeah. Wait, just buy a huge cone. You'll be fine. Yeah. I don't I don't know if you're allowed to
00:48:20
do that. Anyway, I don't know. Um, also, Elon says that on June 28th, there will
00:48:27
be a Tesla that drives itself from the factory all the way to the customer's house. So tempted to make another bet. I
00:48:34
am so tempted to make another bet. Yeah, he's not very good with dates. Yeah, this is also 3 days away what that would
00:48:41
happen. This is when he originally said tenatively the 22nd is when Robo Taxi would roll out. It did. Well, this is
00:48:47
only 15 days ago that he did this. Not that long. So maybe they're planning like a specific customer with a specific
00:48:53
thing happening. I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe someone lives right next to the factory and they're like, "We're doing this. It's happening on this day." They
00:48:59
sleep in the factory. Have an RV in the parking lot. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, if you're one of the people on Twitter
00:49:05
expecting me to shave my head, uh, just go back and watch the original video. If you're wondering what the bet was, it's
00:49:11
not about a Model Y with someone in the front seat driving around Austin. It's about that little gold robo taxi.
00:49:18
Cyber cab. Cyber cab. Cyber cab. I I personally would like to see it. I thought it was Robo shaved. Robo taxi is a service. Cyber Cab's little gold two-seater thing, dude. Yeah. Yeah. But
00:49:29
so, get it right or you know nothing. We'll see if they can do it. It'd be fun for the content for me personally, but
00:49:37
not for you. So, yeah. Well, they've got a year and change to ship one for 30 grand. So, there you go. Well, speaking
00:49:44
of things that are going to go on sale for an interesting price, the Fairphone, there is a new Fairphone.
00:49:51
Fair. Is it $30,000? Then, thankfully not. So, the whole point of the Fairphone, I reviewed a Fairphone a
00:49:57
couple years ago. And the Fairphone, as you can probably tell by its name, is intended to be extremely repairable. Uh,
00:50:04
and you'll be able to replace parts. If one of them breaks, if like the screen breaks, you can pop it off and replace
00:50:09
the screen. Key distinction here, not upgradeable like if it was modular, but you can stay at the same level of phone forever by replacing parts anytime they break, right? New Fairphone comes out,
00:50:22
new level. This one's a Snapdragon 7S Gen 3, so a little bit higher performing. It also has a 120 Hz dynamic
00:50:29
AMOLED display. Yeah. And you can again replace those parts over and over again and hopefully keep the phone for longer.
00:50:36
Right. So, this is not like u like a if you have a Fairphone 4, it's not like you buy Fairphone 6 parts or something
00:50:42
like that. That would be a totally different concept. Perfect for someone like Ellis who just keeps his phone
00:50:47
forever. Yeah. I don't I don't need no fair phone. I to you guys know that I've replaced every single individual part on
00:50:54
my phone. So it's a fair it's basically a fair phone. It's it's basic it's the sh the ship of thesis I fair phone.
00:50:59
Okay. It's it's perfect. No. Yeah. The the idea I guess of this one with this new design and with this new chip is to
00:51:05
feel a little bit more flagshipy. It's IP55, right? Uh it's got I think I don't know if the battery is bigger, but it's a 6.3 in. It's an OLED. It's it's it's nicer than the previous fairones have
00:51:16
been. Yeah. And to be fair like Huh. Uh, thanks. Uh, I didn't mean to do that, but that's good. Um, a big point about the Fairphone Phone is it's a it
00:51:27
is about repairability obviously, but a big part of their thing is also about like fair like fair resource development
00:51:35
trade stuff like they support doa mine her own lithium. That's right. That's right. Yeah. they they support a lot of uh ethical lithium mining stuff and try
00:51:46
to like promote, you know, better consumer choice through that kind of stuff. Um, it is it also has these
00:51:53
accessories which I really hope they're they're very similar to the CMF phone accessories.
00:52:00
I really hope that you can use them when the Fairphone 7 comes out because the CMF phone one only a couple of them work
00:52:05
on the CMF phone 2 uh which is whole accessory ecosystem that only works for one really cheap phone is insane. So, and that's just like a lot of wasted plastic and stuff. So, another
00:52:18
interesting thing about it um it has this new switch on it that basically turns it into a dumb phone which I
00:52:25
actually think this is pretty cool. That is really cool. It's like a minimal phone switch. Yeah. Basically, there's a
00:52:30
switch on the side that turns it into the moments UI, which makes everything monochrome and then has like five of
00:52:36
your essential apps. So, calendar, it's a list view. Meet, Gmail, Chrome, phone. Sounds like a launcher. It's basically a
00:52:43
launcher switch. Yeah, that's absolute gas. Yeah, it's dope. Like, this is a good like why didn't they just do this
00:52:49
on more phones? I feel like you can do this from the app store. Well, yeah. No, no, it's not integrated. Having a slider
00:52:58
is a cool fact that it's a slider. I could map that to a double press of a random button on almost any phone. No,
00:53:04
but it's so different, dude, because it's like that is a that's a lifestyle choice. That is like that is like a I
00:53:09
Okay, laugh all you want, but I'm telling you, it's like that is a choice you make because of the impact it'll have. My phone before the end of this
00:53:15
episode. Yeah, you guys aren't hearing me right. It's like as soon as you bake it into software, it's not reflective of
00:53:22
the impact it'll actually have on your life. This is a design thing. That's cool. I love that it's a switch. So, like you're using your phone like normal
00:53:28
and then you're like to go hang out with my family. And the beauty of Android is I could just do this. I don't need it
00:53:34
built into the phone. I don't need the I'm so sick of you green bubblers. I've been hearing this for like a dec. The
00:53:39
beauty of Android is that all you have to do is spend 3 hours banging your head against the wall with like a separate
00:53:46
Google Cloud server that you forward all this data to just it's like no no no isn't this great that they're baking it into hardware. Yes. Like I I know everyone will always say this could have
00:53:58
been an app. It's like the Fuji X half, right? Everyone always says, "Oh, this could have been an app. It's just a
00:54:03
Why?" But it's cool. How is dedicated hardware different? You're saying it's baked in. In what way is it baked in? Well, it has a physical physical hardware, right? And so a lot of phones
00:54:14
have a customizable button where you can map it to whatever you want. In which case, you would map it to whatever
00:54:19
launcher you grab from the Play Store. In what way is this more baked in than me mapping a custom button to a launcher
00:54:26
from the Play Store. In one way, it is. Matter of fact, that's probably exactly what this is. It is vertical integration
00:54:32
in that it's the same company that made the phone made the launcher. Yeah, I guess I give you that. It's And the
00:54:39
Switch is is it's because it's a conscious design. Cool. It's a conscious design choice. You know what I mean? The
00:54:46
in the the the like David said, because it's a vertically integrated choice, you can have other features and other
00:54:51
design. I don't know the phone very well, but you can have everything support this one decision. Whereas, and we all know, we all know you can map
00:54:59
anything you want to anything you want on an Android phone, but it is always annoying and it's always stupid and it
00:55:05
never works exactly the way you want to. I love iPhone shortcuts. I could probably come up with something genius
00:55:11
like this with an iPhone shortcut. And even those barely work. I think your view of shortcuts might be tainted by
00:55:17
how bad the iPhone shortcuts are. cuz iPhone shortcuts are bad and and are frankly almost unusable compared to what I found like on an Android phone where on the Zen phone from a couple years ago
00:55:29
or even the last Zen phone, you'll literally you'll hit the button for the first time it'll be like what in all of your phone would you like to map this
00:55:35
button to? And I go this app and then it goes okay. And every time I press that button it launches that app and it's
00:55:41
great. Yeah. And I just I feel like that's all at this point I feel strongly about this. I don't know if I'm articulating my argument very well, but
00:55:47
I do think selling a phone with with a dumb phone switch is very different than uh also the only iPhone shortcut I've ever gotten to work consistently well is one that I made when I first got here
00:55:58
where I'd press an app on my home screen, an icon on my home screen, and it would search for a rand it would
00:56:04
search gifts for the word poop and then pick a random one and text it to Adam. That was a slider, dude. It was a if I had the poop button on my phone, totally different
00:56:17
experience. Well, I mean, tech. Okay, I mean, there is an action button. I give Fairphone credit here because their dumb
00:56:23
phone UI, the five apps are ones that you actually need where half of these dumb phone apps like don't let you like
00:56:30
look at your email. Like, so giving you Gmail here, thank you for realizing that
00:56:36
some of us have to work and look at our Gmail. They still realize that this needs to be a phone. They just made the
00:56:42
UI so that it's it's less like there's stuff everywhere and there's a lot of choices. It's just like a list with the
00:56:47
time and essentials and stuff like that. Anyway, did you guys notice 1400 nits of
00:56:53
peak brightness? They made a privacy ver focused version that does not run Google. It's deled um a deled version of Android called EOS
00:57:04
that is made by Mera and that is $900. The the normal Fairphone is €599. This says Fairphone sells only the EOS model through its local partner or in the U. Okay, so in the US you can only get it
00:57:18
through a partner. Yeah, it's €599 in about $700, which is still a lot, but you know, when you put a SIM card in an EOS phone, it asks if you want to initialize the
00:57:29
media. Anyone? Canon joke. Canon joke. Canon initialize. Really? I'm like 0 for three
00:57:37
today, you guys. They have to be stupider, you know. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, they're too smart.
00:57:44
It's no They're too smart. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Um, okay. So, besides that, uh, they are going to send me one. So, I should have one probably for next week that we can look at and
00:57:56
talk about and switch on and off crap out of that button. Let's see what happens. Yeah, it's a it's a switch up
00:58:02
and down. Up and down. Okay. Um, wait, last question about that. Oh, yeah. Can I remap that switch? I don't think so.
00:58:09
It's probably worse than your usual Android phone. You can't remap it. I'm guessing Counterpoint the Switch is pinina colada colored. That's true. Damn, that is good. If you have a Well,
00:58:20
it's more yellow. Okay. Anyway, they're going to make uh right now they have four accessories for it. So, there's a
00:58:27
case accessory, which I don't know if you could really consider an accessory, but it does have a slot out for the
00:58:33
other accessories. There's like a finger jammer thing where you put your finger in it so you can hold it easier. There is a wallet case that looks pretty good.
00:58:40
And there is a lanyard which um is a choice. So uh yeah, I I don't know. I'm excited. Wallet phone cases terrify me. This is an episode for another day, but I can't understand putting everything on
00:58:54
your phone and then losing everything at once. I will say that's mainly what I'm worried about. What kind of panacotta is that? Okay, I got one last thing. Um, okay, there is
00:59:06
this new Adobe Project Indigo camera app that got kind of like stealth launched.
00:59:11
Um, this is quite interesting. So, Mark Lavoy, who is the person that invented uh HDR Plus on the Nexus 6. Um, I've talked with him extensively over the
00:59:22
years. He is very smart. He basically created computational photography. He made the pixel cameras good. Yeah, he
00:59:28
really defined the pixel camera look. Um, so they also said that they made it based on art, which is interesting.
00:59:35
Well, the Pixel 6, yeah, they used Renaissance art and Pixel like seven and eight, they moved away from that a
00:59:40
little bit, but uh, so anyway, in 2020 or so, uh, Mark left Google to go work at Adobe and he said that he was going to be working on a universal camera app at Adobe. It made a lot of sense for him
00:59:52
considering he like invented computational photography, right? So, we were all kind of like waiting with baited breath to see what is this
00:59:59
universal camera app that he's working on. It's been a long time. It's been like 5 years. And last week, he dropped
01:00:05
with Adobe this new app that's in super beta called Project Indigo. The cool thing is you don't actually have to have
01:00:11
an an Adobe subscription to download it. Um, which is nice. Uh, it is currently only available on the iPhone, which is
01:00:16
not nice, but you know, it kind of makes sense in some ways. Uh, anyway, hard disagree. Well, I don't know. they have to develop and whatever. Okay, so basically I read
01:00:28
the technical paper on this cuz they released this whole this whole paper about it and effectively what it is is
01:00:33
just a intense ramped up version of what HDR Plus was doing on the original Pixel phones. Um, so I just want to give a short primer about computational
01:00:45
photography on smartphones. Generally HDR on c on smartphones, the way that it does it is that it takes multiple really short frames and then it aligns them and
01:00:56
then it boosts the overall exposure of those frames. And generally when you don't get a lot of light on a pixel, uh
01:01:02
you have more noise, which is just random pixels that don't get the information. And when you up the exposure of all the pixels, you see the
01:01:09
the noise more. You know, there's this thing called the signal to noise ratio. So what they do with computational photography is because your phone has a
01:01:15
gyroscope, it's able to know exactly what the pitch, yaw, and skew is of your phone at all given times. And so it can
01:01:21
align the exact pixels over the course of like seven frames. And that allows it to have a better pix uh signal to noise ratio because it takes the average of every single pixel does that. So what
01:01:33
smartphones have done for a while now with computational photography is it's taken like seven frames and aligned
01:01:39
those. But when you do that, when you're not getting a lot of light, you also have to do a lot of noise reduction
01:01:45
because you're upping, you're taking these really short exposures, you're upping the exposure, you have to do noise reduction that basically smooths
01:01:51
out the image and then you have to apply sharpening. That's what's like led to this like smartphone plasticky look that
01:01:59
we've had for a very long time. And so Mark's vision for this new Project Indigo app was to try to like kind of
01:02:05
counteract that plasticky look. Um, also because it's HDR, it like crushes the highlights down and it brings up the shadows and it kind of creates a really flat sort of like tone curve. So, what
01:02:17
the new Project Indigo app does is a few things. One of the things is that it takes 32 frames of even shorter
01:02:23
exposures uh which will lead to lower noise which is really cool. And then they als and I guess they can do that
01:02:29
because they have faster processing in phones now. You know when the Nexus 6 was out it was like it took a while once you press the button it would like
01:02:35
process process process. But now these ISPs are like super fast. So you're able to take way more exposures and align
01:02:41
them more, which reduces noise significantly, which is quite cool. They also did this uh they have this new way
01:02:48
of processing raw files. So Apple's Pro Raw on the iPhone basically will take it's like a semi- raw image. It's not true raw because it's doing the de mosaicing to push out the like pro raw
01:03:01
file. This creates a new type of DNG that doesn't do the de mosaicing, which is I have a whole separate we we have a whole separate video on the studio channel about demosing that we can put
01:03:12
in the show notes. Practically what it means is that you're going to be able to get like way more color dynamic range,
01:03:20
which is really nice. Um, you're going to get way lower noise. And then it also has all these new features with like
01:03:25
long exposure photography that looks really good that also uses like 32 frames of 1 second exposures. It looks
01:03:31
awesome. Uh, it's going to have pro controls. Adobe's adding all these Photoshop AI tools like removing
01:03:37
reflections in the mirrors and stuff. So, this new Project Indigo app overall, it's like basically they they let Mark
01:03:43
Lavoy cook for 5 years. And they're like, do what you did for Google, but do it for us with the new technology that
01:03:50
smartphones now have. And then they're also integrating all of these other uh AI tools that that Adobe has developed
01:03:57
over the last few years. So, it's going to be like a test bed for a lot of these features. It's currently free on the app
01:04:03
store. Uh, you can download it. You don't have to have an Adobe subscription, which is really nice. Do you need to have a test flight or
01:04:08
something? Nope. While you were describing all the computational photography and stuff, I downloaded it and started playing with it, and it's
01:04:15
pretty nice. I mean, UI is pretty intuitive. I've taken a few test images. This podcast studio has perfect
01:04:20
lighting, so I'm not going to be able to actually see what it's good at yet, but I want to play with it. Yeah. The one thing in the uh the white paper that I
01:04:26
was like eh is that they're really in on HDR stuff and doing like tone mapping. They developed this new type of JPEG
01:04:33
that basically can like apply a tone map later and I just think HDR looks bad. I
01:04:39
just think it looks bad. It always looks bad. It's a lot of HDR. Um I forgot that he left to go to Adobe to do this. That
01:04:45
was so long ago. But I am kind of excited for this. This seems Yeah, it's cool. I mean it's interesting. And um if
01:04:51
you look, we can also put the um the article, not we can also put like the white paper in the show notes. There are some samples in the white paper. Some of them are like eh. But then you look at the long exposure stuff and it looks
01:05:03
really good. It looks very very good. Part of the paper is he was saying like smartphone photos can look like good on
01:05:09
your phone, but as soon as you put them like on a big screen or try to print them, they look awful. And so they
01:05:14
specifically were thinking about how can we take photos that are going to look good when you blow them up and not look like plasticky and horrible. So that's a
01:05:22
nice nice little thing. So I'm pretty excited about that. How long until you need a Adobe subscription?
01:05:29
Mhm. Two weeks. Yeah. I mean that's the thing I'm most surprised about this is you saying here's an Adobe product that
01:05:34
doesn't need an Adobe subscription for it which is wild. I mean, funny enough, when you download the app, it has the
01:05:40
like test flight looking icon where it has like the the like blueprint chart thing that goes through it. Um, so it's
01:05:47
clearly like an alpha app, but it is interesting. It also, it's weird to me because this is like, at least in my
01:05:53
opinion, clearly a pro app, you know, so like the fact that it is free without a subscription kind of is confusing to me.
01:06:00
Yeah, I mean it's got you can just point and shoot, but it does have a lot of pro controls, but yeah, regular people are
01:06:05
probably not going to download. takes all your photos and puts them into their AI um research library. I kind of want
01:06:11
to go test some of the long exposure stuff cuz it looks really good. So anyway, out to Montalk. Hey yo, we'll
01:06:18
play with it. We'll report back next week. See how it is. We'll play with it. Yeah. So, the last time Dave and I drove out to Montalk to take pictures, it was
01:06:25
so cloudy, we didn't even take any pictures. The last time Adam and I drove out to Montalk to take photos, we got home at 4 in the morning and then Google
01:06:32
threatened me after I published my article. Oh my god. Yeah. Nice. But you know who will never threaten you?
01:06:39
Trivia. Me doing trivia. I feel like you would. I feel like you'd have. David, if
01:06:45
you get this question wrong. Yeah, actually. You can't prove it. Uh, next question. I
01:06:51
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01:07:05
Kart, what does the CC mean? Credit card Sabathia. Well, think about it. Actually, are you a Yankee fan? Yes.
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back. All right, so this is actually the last episode of the month of June, which
01:10:20
is where we usually do our crown and clown. We thought about it. We didn't have too much to say there, but in honor
01:10:25
of the NBA finals, which ended in the month of June, we are going to attempt as a group attempt to explain to David,
01:10:33
who I assume did not watch the finals. I did not. What happened using tech terms? I don't even know who's in the finals.
01:10:40
This is perfect. This is how we want to explain it to you so that you can appreciate the chaos that it was. The
01:10:45
only reason I knew the Knicks were in it is because the people outside my window wouldn't stop screaming until 4 in the
01:10:51
morning, which is perfect because the Knicks lost right before the finals. They were not in the finals.
01:10:56
Semi-finals. They were in the f Yes. The Eastern Conference Finals. Yeah. Yeah. Could they were in the Eastern Conference finals? Yeah. So, um, my
01:11:05
method I think is actually a throwback to earlier this episode. Oh, I think it would be easiest if I explained it in terms of Mario Kart. So, you know how in
01:11:15
Mario Kart there's like a bunch of races? Imagine there's like a series of like seven races and whoever wins four
01:11:23
races first gets the gold, right? And there are some characters obviously on each side. There are there are teams cow and I think you know some of the biggest
01:11:33
uh characters for this particular NBA finals would be so the two teams were the the Oklahoma City Thunder and the
01:11:41
Indiana Pacers. The Oklahoma City Thunder have Mario on their team. He's like the main character. He's the MVP of the league. Everybody knows who he is. He's having a great year. Is that the
01:11:52
guy that was like, "Oh, they traded him. What the heck?" No. So his actual name is Shay Gilis Alexander. SGA for short.
01:12:00
How Oh, I did hear that. But this is Mario. The other side has uh Mario. Yeah, you
01:12:08
know, team is expected to win. The other side have Bowser. They have Mario on their team. The other side. How would you Who is Shay Waluigi? Definitely
01:12:15
Waluigi. Shay is Waluigi. Not everybody. It's an acquired taste, right? Uh some people would say he's overrated. Shay is
01:12:23
no Waluigi. Tyresese Hallebertton is Waluigi. Yeah. Yeah. So, they have this player, his
01:12:28
actual name is Tyresese Hallebertton, but we'll call him Waluigi. Wait, wait. You know, he's the guy who made that
01:12:34
crazy shot against the Knicks to go to overtime in that one game. Remember you said you saw that clip of the guy who
01:12:40
like dribbled up dribbled all the way back, made that shot, and it sent to overst.
01:12:45
And then the Knicks lost. The Knicks lost. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I turned on my projector and the first
01:12:51
thing that happened was that, and I was like, whoa. And then I changed the channel.
01:12:57
No, that so like Hallebertton is Waluigi because it's like most people a lot of people think he's a little bit annoying. A lot of people think he is vastly
01:13:08
overrated. A lot of people overrated. A lot of people can't really stand the vibe, but the contingent of of Waluigi
01:13:16
fans are like there's no one else. What about Wario? Like, is he more like Mario? No. Or No.
01:13:24
So, he's No, he's like more like Mario's evil brother. Maybe Waluigi isn't the right one. That was who I went through
01:13:30
first. I like Is he tall? Yeah. Well, I guess they're all tall. They're all kind of tall. Yeah, maybe like and Lanky. Is
01:13:37
he tall? He's tall. Nanky. Okay. Whatever. Okay. So, Waluigi. So, the races are happening. It's a team. Uh, it
01:13:43
depends on who you are. Alex thinks so. It's a they're team races, but obviously first one to win. Mario's team is
01:13:50
expected to literally win every race. They're such overwhelming favorites, it's not even close. And what team is that? And that's the Thunder. Thunder.
01:13:57
They had an alltime season. It was great. Okay. But what weirdly happened was the first game, Waluigi's team won.
01:14:04
And I was like, "Oh, that's not common. That's not That's all right. We got a series on our hands." Second game, okay,
01:14:11
Mario's team won. So, we're back to 1-1. Third game, Waluigi's team gets another
01:14:16
win. And the theme for a lot of these wins is like, you know how when you're in like last place in Mario Kart and you
01:14:23
are kind of so far behind it doesn't really matter, but then you start getting all the best power ups and then you start surging ahead and you go from
01:14:29
dead last all the way to suddenly first in the last like half of the last lap. That's like the their thing. That's like
01:14:36
Waluigi's thing. He'll be in last place. He'll seem like he's out of it and the whole team's like kind of not going to
01:14:42
win and it seems like they've accepted they're not going to win. And in the last half of the last lap, boom, powerups, giant blimp thing, surge to
01:14:49
the front, first place, they win. That's how they win their games. Did they win the third game that way? That's how they
01:14:55
Yeah, that's how they've been winning games all playoffs. So they've now they're up 2-1 and then Mario's team
01:15:01
wins again and it's 2-2. Oh, then we got a series. Mario's team goes up 3-2. So like, all right, it's been a nice Cinderella run. We kind of thought Waluigi's team had a shot here, but now it's 3-2 and Mario's team's probably
01:15:15
going to win the next game. And then uh the fourth the is this the fourth game? Then this sixth game, sixth game, W Luigi's team just smacks Mario's team. It's not even close. Blue shelled. So
01:15:28
yeah, big time leading the whole way. No one behind him ever had a shot. So he gets the finish line and it's like,
01:15:34
okay, now we've got a critical game seven. Whoever wins this race wins the whole series. Mario's team or Waluigi's team. Who you got? And in the first lap
01:15:45
of this final race, Waluigi's controller breaks. Yeah. Really, really sad. Wait, he broke something. Waluigi's controller breaks in the game. Yeah. And so from that
01:15:59
moment, his team never really has a shot. Mario's team wins going away. kind of a muted celebration because a if that
01:16:06
controller didn't break, it would have been a lot closer. But wow. And before that controller broke, he was in first.
01:16:12
Yeah. But Waluigi like three separate times during this playoff run, had been down by one point and at the very last second
01:16:23
made a huge bucket and ended up winning the game. Like he was they people were literally calling him the moment because
01:16:29
he just like gold coins. So did he break his his tore his Achilles? Yeah, he tore
01:16:35
his How do he do it? Balling too hard. He was kind of Was it during the game? Yeah, during the game. He was he was
01:16:40
kind of playing through an half injury and then So did they like bring him away? Yeah, I think he got surgery
01:16:46
before the game was over. Like I think they just took him straight to the hospital. He was on but the next day
01:16:52
he's got a picture with surgery. Oh my gosh. So yeah, pretty dramatic. Hopefully this analogy helps you
01:16:59
appreciate that while Mario's team won in the back of everyone's head, if Waluigi's controller didn't break, I
01:17:05
know not everybody's a fan, but that could have been a crazy game seven. So, it would have been an upset if they won.
01:17:11
It would have been an upset cuz there's there's also like I'm not going to say that Mario's team was like the most
01:17:18
stacked team ever. You know what I mean? But it was sort of like Mario Bowser Peach Luigi versus Waluigi Dry Bones the
01:17:27
like the fishing rod guy who like pulls you off when you you know what I mean? Like Koopa Troop is in there. That Koopa
01:17:33
Troop is in there. Like a second Dry Bones for some reason. I can't wait to edit this because I'm putting all of
01:17:39
them right next to their players. Berto. What about Berto? Yeah, Berto is definitely on Waluigi. Near Nemar's
01:17:45
Koopa Troopa for sure, I think. Yeah. What about the new cow player? Uh, not not that. Who's Alex Caruso?
01:17:53
He's got a bring already, so maybe. Dude, he's towed. Alex Caruso is 100% Toad. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's really
01:18:01
depressing for everybody involved. Yeah. Those things. Like, even if you won, you'd be like, "Yeah." Okay. Mario
01:18:08
actually Mario actually went to Waluigi's locker room after the game and and like patted him on the back and was like, "It's it's going to be okay."
01:18:15
Yeah. That's kind of It's going to be okay. I'm going to go back to my trophy. Everyone who likes Mario was like, "See,
01:18:21
Mario's so classy. What agree." I think what they should have done is they should have stopped the game, waited for
01:18:27
like 6 months for it to heal and then and then played it. Interesting take. That's so funny. That is an interesting
01:18:32
take. I think you should be the he messed up. They just they basically got a free win. It's interesting because,
01:18:39
you know, Waluigi's team beat another team who a different player's controller broke on that team. So now there's Oh,
01:18:45
really? There's It's a whole thing. I mean, just like how Bowser gives Mario a free win in the game is because he's
01:18:51
like, "Oh no, my tail's so long. You can spin me around and throw me at the wall." You know? I think one of the cool
01:18:58
unique things about basketball compared to other sports is that playoff basketball is also an endurance sport.
01:19:04
Like it's it's like it's not just about can you play basketball better than the other team. It's can you play basketball
01:19:11
every other day for 4 weeks and your body still hold up. That's crazy. the end of the NHL playoffs are basically
01:19:17
like what is what tape is holding you together after like the end of finals team standing there were multiple people this year who were like oh yeah my foot was broken like I had uh like rib
01:19:30
cracked and like gosh muscles tearing off that's true but there's still something going on with the NBA lately
01:19:36
because this is like the third Achilles rupture in like 6 months or something like that I think something like that
01:19:42
where it used to be like once a season now It's like I think there was eight this season alone. Some crazy number.
01:19:48
I'm cutting off cuz we're about 30 seconds away from something using the phrase pace and space. And this is not a
01:19:54
basketball podcast and yet. So, David, do you feel like you understand the NBA finals? Yeah, but you could have just told me what happened.
01:20:07
Are you rooting for Waluigi next year? Yeah. Yeah, dude. You hope Waluigi comes back stronger than ever? You know, the
01:20:13
whole idea of the anti-hero, you know, it's like based around Waluigi and Tyrese is to excuse me, Waluigi is
01:20:20
totally the anti-hero of the NBA right now. It's like in um The Incredibles one, you know, with um Frozone. No, no,
01:20:27
no, no. Frozone's a good guy. With the bad guy who has the big hair and he's the kid. Oh. Um
01:20:35
Syndrome. Never watched that movie. Like he's the anti anti-hero, but you like have sympathy for him. He's not that
01:20:41
bad. And I'm a Nick fan. I don't think Hallebertton's that bad. I think he's just like Excuse you. No, no, no, no,
01:20:47
no. A few weeks ago, Adam, you came to work and you were looking kind of niffed and I was like, Adam, what's up? And you were like,
01:20:54
I just I just hate him so much. But that picture of Tyrese Hallebert in the Gucci
01:20:59
loafers, man, it's so dope. His vibe is so good. But he took a picture with his dog, how could you not like him? We got
01:21:05
to big take it back to technology with the trivia section of the podcast. Let's do it. Um, I need a pen. I don't even
01:21:12
remember the first one. Oh, question one. IO versus IO was in the news today, but I need you to give me as many IO definitions and acronyms as you can give
01:21:25
me starting now. [Music] Like just things it could mean. Yeah, but I won't accept people's names. Like initials don't count. And um
01:21:45
I'm I Yeah, I guess that's my only rule. I thought of more rules, but I don't care too. I don't think any of us have very many to break the rules. I I have like 10ish on my I have one
01:21:58
Marquez should have gotten and I'm interested. You should at least know two. David, you should definitely know
01:22:05
two. You mean it could be like the Google? I thought you I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'll accept Google IO the event as
01:22:11
a as a thing. Oh, really? Wait, you can't write it now. That's not an acronym. We made But that's not But Google IO just means Google. I said definitions or acronyms.
01:22:23
But also, David, I was talking about the IO acronym that we made an entire bonus episode about.
01:22:30
What is that? Wait, I Okay. Are you serious? All right, Marquez, you go first. What are you talking about? All
01:22:36
right. All right. 1 2 3 4 5 I have five here. What? All right. Let's see what's here. Wait. In, out,
01:22:42
input, output. Uh, that's the same one. That's the same thing. Darn. Okay. The state of Iowa. Yes, that is correct. The
01:22:49
state acronym for Iowa. An iota. That's not an acronym. Uh, that's it's not an I
01:22:55
would never use that. Wait, hold up. IO is not IO is an abbreviation. Iowa is not an acronym. It's an abbreviation.
01:23:02
If you had said, come on. That's you said abbreviation. No, it's not. It's not. But I feel like I I feel like I It was It was fine. I I specifically said
01:23:14
place names are accepted in both the first the first cut to trivia and just now. So whatever. I'm not going to give you iota though because I don't think
01:23:25
that is really short for that. So we have two for you Marquez. Uh last one. Old McDonald had a farm. E I E I O. All
01:23:32
right. Dang, that was a great I might have given you that on creativity. Uh if if that's the tiebreaker, I'll give it
01:23:38
to you, Marquez. Okay. Yeah. How many did he get? Two. Wait, what tiebreaker? As if if you guys also get two. Only the
01:23:44
person we have tie breakers for that. Is this like hard? Am I I don't get why so
01:23:51
much harder than any other. It's usually not competitive. Input output. And in ultimate frisbee, an inside out throw is called an IIO. I will accept
01:24:01
that. It was not on my list, but Andrew. So, unfortunately, uh, Marquez is still
01:24:07
winning because he does have the the old McDonald tiebreaker here. I said only one of you would get points. I explained
01:24:13
all this, too. See? See? All right. All right, David. Input output. And then I wrote Google IO and cursive after the thing. Well, after the buzzer, but I didn't know. Well, it doesn't
01:24:26
matter anyways because Marquez gets the Let me fill you in on some other definitions, abbreviations, acronyms for
01:24:33
IO. We have the top level domain that we did the whole episode on Indian Ocean. Uh we have one right there. I didn't think about that. When you're writing legal documents, you end in IO, which is
01:24:46
uh is the acronym for the Latin phrase meaning or Latin phrase in ilo or d which means respectively. Uh, you have Io, the moon of Jupiter. You have Io and
01:24:58
Isllet in Greece. Uh, there's a few other place names that don't really matter. There's a freshwater snail
01:25:03
called an IO that I uh did not know about until researching this. Nice. Uh, there's actually a lot of them. Um, but
01:25:11
shout out for getting Iowa Marquez. I Yeah, shout out to K. Wait, is Iowa not IA? No, it's Indiana, right? No, wait, hold on. It's IIA. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, uh oh. So, I win.
01:25:25
Yeah. So, Andrew W. Andrew wins. What about me with the Google IO thing? There we go. Wow. I That's funny because when
01:25:31
I Googled IO, I thought so and then I was What is Oh, Idaho's ID. Adam. Idaho. And Indiana is in Idaho's ID. How did ID? You know, you know what's really funny is, you know what told me that
01:25:46
that IO was Iowa's state abbreviation and I just believed I just believed it. The the the Google AI search summary. Yeah. Fun. Idaho's ID. Yeah. Anyway,
01:26:00
that question was painful and annoying and I'm kind of mad at you guys for making that so tough. So, it's uh it's
01:26:08
the problem. Old McDonald would have put it in Mario Kart. What does CC stand for?
01:26:15
I'll give you a hint. It's saying it stands for the same thing it does with real life motorcycles. And what how why
01:26:20
would it be anything different? I'll get to it in a bit. But while we do this, quick update on Marquez with 26, Andrew
01:26:27
with 16, David with 30. I feel like it came through. And I Is that that much of a hint? Yeah. Really? That's what I was trying to avoid. Ah, sorry. It was kind of a trick
01:26:38
question. Exactly what I thought. Yeah. Okay. Flip it and read. What do we got? Be a trick question. What did you guys
01:26:44
say? Cubic centimeters. Cubic centimeters. That's correct. No. What? Oh, you were
01:26:52
laughing at him cuz what did you say? Cubic cime. Correct. David, I said closed circuit. Wrong. So, Andrew and Marquez get the point. It is cubic cime.
01:27:03
The reason I didn't want them to know that is because that I was trying to uh trick them with specifically in Mario
01:27:09
Kart, but it's the same thing in real life. Explain to me why it's that engine size of the engine. Yeah. So, when
01:27:16
you're in Mario Kart and you have 50, 100, and 150, why is it that it's harder to go? It's faster. 150 C uh engine with
01:27:24
more displacement is more powerful so that everything goes faster. Really, they're just everything's faster together. I've been incorrect my entire
01:27:30
life. I really thought that that was like this might be there might be people learning this in real time. I thought that was the difficulty level kind of is
01:27:38
too. Guys, I apologize. I think I might be the problem. Nevertheless, hopefully somebody We don't update the score of the day Andrew gets two points. Just saying. Just end
01:27:50
it. Please end it. On that note, hopefully someone learned something from the last half hour of this podcast. I
01:27:55
know that I did. I learned that Iowa is not IO. Um but I like the state anyway. It's pretty cool. Lots of corn. Thanks
01:28:01
for watching. Thanks for listening. Maybe we'll be on Spotify videos someday, but not now. Catch you guys
01:28:07
later. Peace. Wait. From produced by Adam Molina Ellis, partner with Fox Media Podcast Network and a charge for music created by Vainil. Bingo. So those
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were words. [Music] Wait, you see that over there? It's the rails. We're way off the rails. We
01:28:34
should We should bring it back. Okay, fine. Okay, that's making it in so I can get a clean cut. Absolutely. No, you got
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to keep that in. Everyone loves our rambles.