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At the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill. And I
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decided that that skill would be juggling. So, in the beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling
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balls. >> How the has none of us known this? >> How did I never hear about juggling at
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work before? Is that what >> every day for the past 6 months, I've been juggling at the end of every day.
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And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good at juggling these exact three items.
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>> Okay. >> Or items that are the same size and shape. So like three small oranges, I
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can juggle size things. >> Uh I will I'll demo it for you. >> What is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. Big week. It is the middle of July and sometimes we get
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random big weeks in the middle of July. I think this will be a banger. It might be kind of a long episode, but that's
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okay cuz there's a lot to talk about. I think we can all agree probably the obvious biggest story of the week, which
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is >> cool emoji. They're beautiful. There's a pickle. >> I guess we I guess we don't all agree on
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the biggest story. So, we'll get to all that stuff. If you if you slow it down and listen to all those things, you
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probably uh you're in for a good for a good one. And at the end, we have a recommendation
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game because that's also one of the things that we planned on doing this week before we knew it would be banger.
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Uh, but first, did they even test this? >> Does anyone have one? Cuz I have the most niche one possible.
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>> People always like >> thought I had one today, but I don't. >> Ones at me and they're always bad.
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>> Okay. Well, stop tweeting at David is what he's saying, I guess. >> Stop talking to me.
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>> I don't want to talk to I'm kidding. >> Okay. My issue is with >> Keep tweeting at me.
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>> Gboard >> if you're nice. the keyboard and it's very specific to where a lot of times
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when I'm typing and I try and go comma space I accidentally hit emoji button sticker button and then when I go and
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type again what I'm expecting there's a bunch of sloth emojis or like sloth stickers sorry
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>> and for some reason I find once a day as I'm typing really fast without paying
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attention I'm opening up and just posting a sloth sticker in my messages um >> as God intended.
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>> Yeah, normally I notice it. One time I was emailing our HR person and said just
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wrote like, "Yeah, that sounds great." And then send a sticker of a sloth saying FML above it.
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So >> I just want to know, does anyone else accidentally send a bunch of sloth stickers in when they're using Gboard?
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>> Accidentally? No. I intentionally use them all the time. >> Sloth stickers are awesome. Maybe I need
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to just bring them into my Yeah, it's this. It's just a sloth with a rained on cloud saying FML on it.
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>> They have the blobs as stickers, too. I would use those. >> Yeah, >> the blobs.
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>> I'm not a fan of the sloth ones. Sorry, >> but apparently I use them all the time.
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I will say there was like a this is slightly off tangent, but there was a Slack thread that I was going through
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from like a while back, like years ago, just cleaning out different old messages, and someone had used the blob,
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and I was like, damn, that blob was a good >> The blobs are amazing. >> The blobs are sick.
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>> The blobs are fantastic. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, they're all sloths. I >> all the sloths. You've never seen the
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sloths before? >> Yeah, never seen those before. >> I guess I just typed too fast and
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>> I don't know. I sloths. That's crazy. Well, these aren't quite sloths and they're not quite stickers, but I knew
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that we would talk about my story first. Just saying. Um, there are new emoji coming. Everybody, everybody clap.
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>> It's happening. >> So, what are these new emojis? >> All right. >> For our audio listeners, you're going to
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have to explain all of them. >> Yeah. Okay. So, so Jennifer Daniel, who is the chair of the emoji subcommittee
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of the Unicode Consortium. >> Holy title. However, I interviewed her for my sparkle emoji documentary and she's
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awesome. She has a Substack where she sometimes posts like early looks at emoji that they're working on, which is
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cool. And she just yesterday posted a new article about the nine new emoji that are coming shortly.
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>> Nine. >> So, we're getting monarch butterfly classic. >> There is currently a butterfly, but it's
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just like a blue butterfly. Um, monarchs are probably more, you know, common and
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popular in media. So, I think that makes sense. We're getting a bug catching net.
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Future classic. >> Why does it have to be bug catching? >> I mean, it doesn't have to be.
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>> It's just next to the butterfly, so it feels bug catching, but like Pokemon catch.
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>> I'm just Pokemon. Is that what they call it? A bug catching net in Pokemon. So,
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>> that's a bug catching net. What What are you going to catch in that net? Like a
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jellyfish? Come on. >> What about a big fish? >> Like a large fish? >> I mean, you would be swooping under this
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one is I think the reason it feels bug catching is cuz it's coming from up to down.
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>> Yeah. However, these are just Google's interpretations. It's like Apple. >> I know. I'm using that for like caught
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you. >> Yeah. Got you. There's a meteor. >> Nice. I think that was pretty important.
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>> That's what this room's going to feel like soon. >> Yeah. There's the thumbs that basically
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imply get a load of this guy. >> The It's like who's got two thumbs and is on a podcast pointed inwards or out.
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>> One is the left thumb and one is the right thumb. >> Yeah. >> So, there's two.
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>> There's a face that is cracking um quite a bit. already my top 10 most used emojis of all time.
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>> I very much like this one because I've used the melting face a lot and then last year they introduced the um the
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buggey emoji as well. So they're doing a lot of like funny face emojis which are
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cool. >> There's a lighthouse which is dope. I was just in Maine. What? Wait, what?
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Why? >> Just no. Keep going. Keep going. >> Okay. Uh, there's pickle, which is good
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because they did have cucumber, which was being like diced, but now it's legit pickle, which I think is important.
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>> No way. That gets misused. >> There's a bar of >> Wait, hold on. What is this?
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>> A pickle. >> No, the next one. >> Oh, a bar of soap. >> That's clearly not a bar.
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>> That's an eraser. >> That's an eraser. >> Really? >> That's very clearly an eraser.
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>> Oh, it's only Okay. It's only clearly an eraser because there's bits of eraser.
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only clearly an eraser because of the part of it that makes it an eraser. >> It's pink,
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>> dude. It would be bubbly if it was soap. And there already is a soap one, isn't
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there? >> My soap on my at home in my shower is not always bubbly. Is >> But that's what all the if there's a
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bubble emoji. >> If Why don't you Sorry. Uh have we lost everyone under 30? Why? I don't think
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anyone uses emojis yet. >> You are insane. >> What are you talking about? >> Am I wrong about that?
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>> You're wrong about that. >> Everyone emoji >> in the comments below. I just want you
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to comment how old you are and if you regularly use emojis in your conversation because I I've I've
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>> a clue that it might be not happening for younger people. >> Why wouldn't they use emoji?
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>> I don't know. It's cringy and old voice notes and Snapchat. >> It's funny cuz lowercase text, man.
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>> They just use They're just on FaceTime all the time. I feel like we have a >> my proof against you on this is we have
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a running joke in the office where whenever something gets posted that we don't like
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>> one time someone put the skull and crossbones instead of just the skull and then somebody got really mad at it
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saying like boomer that's not the right one so now we just use skull and crossbones for everything.
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>> I who's like 20 years old called me unc for using skull and crossbones instead
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of just the skull. >> So now we use skull and crossbones all the time. But the fact that we're
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getting schooled on what is the proper emote emoji. Sure. Sure. But I think an even younger generation maybe like gen.
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>> Miles found out Miles found out yesterday that I was 29 and he was so shocked. He was like, "Wait, so you're
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like actually?" I was just I was just kidding this whole time. But like you're actually old,
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>> mother. We're like We're in our 30s over here. Okay, >> bro. They say if your age starts with a
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if you're the year you were born starts with a one. >> A one. Your uncle. >> It's funny cuz
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>> Sure. For a while we had the like, oh, when were you born? 200 end. >> Yeah. >> 200 end.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Someone someone um DM'd me on Instagram the other day because I had
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posted a camera thing and they're like, "Wow, it's so crazy because I got into photography because of a photo you
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posted and now and I was born in 2008." >> Oh my god. >> And I was like, >> "What?
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>> Wait, are you legally allowed to talk to me if you were born in 2008?" Low key,
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one of the things that happens that makes me feel the oldest is someone will will come up to me and be like, "I've
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been watching your videos since I was like 8 years old." And they're a full grown adult. I'm like, "Wait a second.
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Hold on. I'm doing the math. This is This is crazy." >> You have been making videos more than
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half of your life. It's true. >> And like if you if you're like your conscious life, you know, your sentient
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life, >> it's like threequarters of >> Pretty much the whole time I've been awake.
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>> Yeah. >> I wake up, I make videos, I sleep. >> Yeah. Okay. It's true. >> Anyway, very excited about these emojis.
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Speaking of Google, because Jennifer Daniel does work at Google, Google is going to begin carrying third party app
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stores next week. >> Whoa. >> Which is a pretty good deal. Next Wednesday. You might remember this is
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the trial that keeps on giving. Um, there was the Google versus Epic trial, which we tried to cover pretty broadly
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last year, or I guess it was two years ago now because the Epic, it happened in October of 2024. Google was ordered to
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carry other app stores inside of the Google Play Store for several years. Um, and also all these other app stores
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would need to have everything available in Google Play available in them as well. So this was like their way of
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settling this monopoly case. Now what was weird about this is after the trial happens and after the verdict comes
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down, they have to basically decide amongst themselves what the remedies for these things are. During um this remedy
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period, the judge found out that Epic and Google had tried to secretly work things out amongst themselves for
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settlement. And uh Epic had agreed to buy $800 million of Google services in exchange for Epic helping promote
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Android, Google using Unreal Engine uh more deeply, and each company coordinating on product development,
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quote unquote. Uh the judge was a little bit worried about this, specifically worried that it was a quidd proquo uh
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and that Epic would still push for changes that would help other developers. And they were a little bit worried that
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this would not help the antitrust case and that it seemed like a package deal. The problem with this is that Tim
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Sweeney kind of the entire reason that he brought this case in the first place is that his take was that uh Google was
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taking special deals from people and they were being unfair to developers. and Tim Sweeney said they would never
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take a special deal from gatekeepers such as Google based on principle >> unless
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>> uh unless it's $800 million. >> So yeah, well I mean Epic is the one paying Google $800 million apparently,
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which is also weird, but apparently Google is just going to be promoting their stuff. The judge felt uneasy but
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ultimately let it go through. >> That's great. >> Same. We love America. Um, either way, it's going to be really
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interesting to see what this ends up looking like in practice because it should be launching on the 22nd, which
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is next Wednesday. Uh, we're going to see other app stores inside of the Google Play Store, which is weird. So,
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we'll probably see the Epic Store in there. We might see Microsoft will launch, you know, their own Microsoft
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Store inside of the Play Store. But, it is interesting that they have to offer everything that the Google Play Store
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offers. I think that's pretty weird. >> Is FDroid not currently on the Play Store?
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>> You have to sideloadad it. Oh, interesting. So, that should be there next week.
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>> There's that. There's um the guys that make Alt Store um which I think I'm not
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sure if that's only on the iPhone or not, but Riley Stout and uh and Co, I think we'll probably be launching some
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sort of alternative app store on the Google Play Store. >> So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, if this,
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you know, if these other app stores take less than 30% of a cut, that would theoretically incentivize Google to
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lower their cut. At the same time, you have to download these other app stores through the Google through the app
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store, >> which is uh a little roundabout. Yeah, >> Play Store is gonna be like Internet
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Explorer still super popular because it's the default, >> but if anything else is good enough now,
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it will just be the thing that you download other browsers from. >> That's true.
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>> Is it? >> I think it'll be fine. >> Is I thought I thought you can't even get Internet Explorer. I thought it was
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Edge. >> Edge now. >> It's still Internet Explorer. >> Welcome to Edge. We're so excited to
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have you. Chrome, >> give me Chrome. Wait, >> download. You know, you know what you're
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here for. >> Give me Chrome. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, speaking of things that
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uh don't exist anymore, >> uh >> in some regions. >> Yeah, in some regions, let's get to some
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heavier news, which is that OnePlus officially. Oh, nice. >> I don't know why I actually was
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expecting a a harmonica in Ellis's mouth. I mean, audio listeners, >> why not? >> He has a harmonica right now,
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>> right? Officially, the news is OnePlus is shutting down operations in the US,
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North America, and Europe. We saw the writing on the wall. They kind of started slowing down. A bunch of future
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devices were discontinued. We thought we might get a new foldable, cancelled. We
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thought we might get a new flagship, cancelled. And now there will be no more new OnePlus phones for us. They will
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continue in Asia and India. They're actually pretty popular there still. nor devices especially.
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>> But I've been a OnePlus user for a long time here and uh I will no longer be able to daily/ buy the devices here
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which is very sad. >> Yeah. One other thing is that they are going to be merging people over to Color
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OS. >> This is fascinating. >> This is very funny because they had already done this. People got mad and
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then they just like changed the name back to Oxygen but it was basically still color OS. changed. It was Oxygen
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OS was its own thing for such a long time for OnePlus phones and I loved Oxygen OS and then they did this hard
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pivot into Color OS and >> also a great OS too. >> It's fine. It's totally fine. It's just
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very different and when people love Oxygen OS that's very jarring to them and so they just
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>> named it Oxygen OS again, but it's essentially the color thing. >> Uh OPPO being the parent company to
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OnePlus. So now it will officially uh update and just become shamelessly color OS again.
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>> Yeah. Uh yeah, there's a long history with OnePlus, especially on on this channel, on the MKBHD channel. I've
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talked about them since the OnePlus one. They've had so many interesting phones and twists and turns in their history.
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Uh they felt like the enthusiast brand that showed up and and was really disruptive for quite a while before they
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became the enemy that you either live long enough to see yourself become or die.
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>> Um and so yeah, they they did now die. >> Yeah. If you want to learn more about
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OnePlus history, I recommend that you go watch our Sanen mod episode because we have a ton of OnePlus history in there
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and then go watch the downfall of OnePlus will be studied video. >> I think you even had a few videos like
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this. >> You have another OnePlus video. I think >> I've had I've done various history of
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OnePlus videos in the past, but that's the latest one where I did get some comments saying, "Wow, this is way too
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early. They're not going away." But now that video has aged very well. >> Yeah. What happened to OnePlus 5 years
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ago? >> Yeah. 5 years ago. What happened to OnePlus? They really went through a lot
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of twists and turns. Like they would they would just be bad all of a sudden and their phones would not be good value
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and then people get mad and eventually they'd come back and make a banger and then be they'd be bad again. And yeah,
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eventually they just I think OPPO Group just got tired of having to deal with those that fan base.
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>> I would like to give my top three OnePlus phones of all time. >> All right, let's do it in no particular
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order. >> No particular order. Okay, fine. I'll do it. Fine. Fine. Fine. I will do it in
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order. Fine. out of business, Marquez. >> Top three best OnePlus phones of all time. Number three,
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>> the OnePlus 15. >> Oh, the OnePlus 15, which I'm still using, still dailying with its
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unbelievable battery, incredible performance, total lack of bloat, very average cameras, and uh just the
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complete OnePlus experience right here. This is this is the epitome of modern OnePlus. Still pushing the boundaries
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and not too overpriced. Top three, OnePlus 15. >> Okay, >> number two, the OnePlus 1.
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the sandstone. >> Sandstone, >> the hype factor, the price per dollar ratio. >> You could just say sandstone three
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times. >> Sandstone is pretty fire, but I actually think I daily the white one because the
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sandstone kind of aged in its weird way. It was cool at first and then it was a little weird when it aged. But
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>> uh that had a whole lore with it from like how difficult it was to get the invite system, all the things that were
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happening with OnePlus at the time. But the OnePlus 1, I'm putting at number two.
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>> Can I guess you're number one? >> You probably guess it. >> Is it the 7T? It's the 7 Pro.
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>> Oh, there's a whole cluster of them in there. But I would put like Yeah, the 7T
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Pro McLaren edition is the best of these. But right around that year where the 7 Pro and then the 7T and 7T Pro
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came out, these phones were I I think I could still use that phone today. Obviously, the camera is going to be
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much worse, but like those the software experience was damn near perfect. It had
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very it was early to high refresh rate displays, so they were some of the only 90 Hz, I believe, displays out there.
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super super smooth. The batteries lasted a long time. They also did this thing where they were approaching like a 100%
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screen to body ratio on the front and that was like a hype number people talked about at the time. So they threw
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the the selfie camera in a little popup camera. >> That was fun. >> And that was kind of fun and it didn't
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seem to break very easily. So I like that. >> One of ours got water logged cuz we
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tried opening it underwater. >> Oh, okay. Well, the one I was using, I never did that underwater and it it it
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didn't have any issues. It was the battery lasted a long time. charged super fast. All of the best parts of
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OnePlus, which is what had me recommending OnePlus phones to people, uh were in the phones of that exact era.
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And yeah, I feel like that might be the phone. If you look back at the last 10 to 15 years, I'm pretty sure the number
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one brand of smartphone that I've died myself, >> LG >> would be OnePlus. Yeah, the the 7 Pro
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series, you have bigger hands than me, but for me it was a little too big and it had a lot of ghost touching issues
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because the screen to body ratio was so high. >> They did waterfall it a little bit
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>> and it wrapped around the side and there were so many times I'd just be holding
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the phone and it would just be doing things on its own because it thought I was touching the side.
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>> That was a fun time of we have to do screen to body ratio because it's a number and a marketing photo we can put
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up and we don't care how bad it screws up usability. >> Send it. I like the 7T so much because
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it was like all the best things about the 7 Pro, but it was cheaper. It was like $4.99. Yeah. Had a flat screen.
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>> It was better in certain little ways. Um, yeah, I was obsessed with that one.
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I recommended it to everybody. I bought my dad one that was a terrible mistake because after a long period of time when
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the OS started randomly changing and it randomly changed to color OS, my dad just had a meltdown.
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>> Yeah. It was always an enthusiast phone and it was it was funny cuz people in
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real life would ask me like what phone is that? I'd say oh it's a OnePlus 7. And they go
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>> what who makes it? What are you talking about? I say oh sorry the the company
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name is OnePlus >> and then it's the 7. So it's the OnePlus 7. And they'd be like okay so the eight
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I guess. I'm like yeah sure whatever fine. So it was always a bit of an enthusiast phone. It was always a
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slightly if you know you know brand. >> But yeah man people I I had friends that
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got these that were also in the know. This is always this is a good time. >> I have a take that I want to mention
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about this um that I'm also writing an article about where I don't think that OnePlus and US carriers were ever going
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to work. >> They never got along. They never uh maybe there was a brief wasn't there like a like a OnePlus 12 or
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something that >> the 6T uh sorry no >> yeah the 6T was the first phone on T-Mobile.
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>> Okay. and they made a big deal about it and they launched on T-Mobile and it was
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a whole thing and then that lasted a few years. Verizon had OnePlus phones for the OnePlus 8 and the OnePlus 9, right?
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>> The most annoying thing about the OnePlus 8 was that if you bought it at T-Mobile, it was like one price, but if
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you bought it at Verizon, you had to buy it with the millimeter wave bands >> and it added $100, which made it like
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not really a good value anymore. Anyway, my sort of like theory about US carriers
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and OnePlus is that like US carriers because of the way they want to do the subsidies for you where they slowly have
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you pay off the phone with your monthly bill but then they sort of lock you into
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that 24 to 36 month pay period. Um they actually want you to buy more expensive phones because then if you leave the
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plan and if you go to another option you still have to pay off the rest of the phone.
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>> Mhm. So, if you're paying $4 to T-Mobile every month for a for, you know, a $1,400 iPhone, and as long as you're on
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that plan for 24 to 36 months, it's like, oh, yeah, it's four bucks for a for a $1,400 iPhone, that's amazing, but
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as soon as you want to leave to like Visible or Verizon or something, they're like, "Oh, you owe us $1,000 now."
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>> Yeah. >> And it's sort of this chain. And so like carriers actually want you to buy more
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expensive phones because it keeps you on the plan longer. Whereas a $500 OnePlus
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phone if you like eventually they're like, "Hey, you owe us 400 bucks now." You're like, "Oh, I get okay, I guess."
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You know, >> less incentive. >> It's way less incentive. >> Yeah. This is one of those things that I
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think we talk about once in a while in videos and maybe people who aren't from the US get kind of annoyed with it, but
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it's still true that here in the US carriers still basically run like what what phones people buy and what phones
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like sell the most. >> Yeah. >> So people go to their carrier to buy a new phone most of the time.
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>> Yeah. >> So whatever phones get pushed by carriers get sold the most. So whichever
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ones have the best deals who buddy up with those carriers will do the best. And so that's why you see that the big
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companies in the US continue to do well because they have their deals with Verizon, AT&T, etc.
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>> And uh OnePlus was never one of those uh companies, at least here. So they never
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really got a ton of they were probably like a fraction of a percent of market share here.
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>> I saw some crazy statistic yesterday. There was a stat statistic that came out
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recently that three out of every four phones sold at US carriers were iPhones. 75%.
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And there was a statistic from 2020, which was 2 years after the OnePlus launched in T-Mobile stores that uh the
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like 92% of all phones sold at carriers were either Apple phones or Samsung phones.
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>> So, OnePlus was fighting for that 8% against Motorola and like Google Pixel and all these other Yeah,
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>> it was not not good for them. So, you can see why they pulled out. This whole
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thing makes our previous time talking about this really really funny because there was that really weird article like
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>> like OnePlus is going out of business >> and then OnePlus of India was like we're
00:23:09
not going anywhere. said that like I went back and looked at our thing is that was like the the AI written article
00:23:16
>> that was everyone agreed that like it made sense but it just said exclusive and it was a complete opinion piece
00:23:25
written helped by AI so no one took it seriously but yes but then >> yeah what's funny is OnePlus of India
00:23:32
was like we're not going anywhere >> they're not exactly was like >> we specifically said that we were like
00:23:39
yeah this is OnePlus India saying they're not going anywhere. But like the big thing, the general gist of this
00:23:44
article is like OPPO is winding down some things in different regions because there's too much going on in the OPPO
00:23:51
parent company, which makes sense. Like why not take away the regions you're selling the worst in and just make
00:23:57
better oppo phones? Especially with the prices of everything now less SKS is better for you.
00:24:02
>> Value for money is still the most important thing in India and in the US. We just don't care because of these
00:24:06
carrier plans. Yeah, we don't have nearly as much hardware competition, which is a real bummer.
00:24:10
>> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Very bummer. >> But yeah. Yeah. >> OnePlus no more here.
00:24:14
>> No more RIP. Well, >> do you think we'll get Oppo in the US? >> No, absolutely not.
00:24:19
>> You just don't I don't think so. And and the Oppo Find X9 Ultra is like one of
00:24:24
the best phones in the world. And I would probably be using that phone if I could use it in the US,
00:24:30
>> especially the way the US government feels about Chinese companies right now.
00:24:33
Like DJI just got banned. Honestly, OnePlus was sort of their Trojan horse into the US in general,
00:24:38
>> basically, you know, and it just never they never did the things they had to do
00:24:41
to make it work. >> Yeah. I mean, it's just not compatible with their brand ethos.
00:24:45
>> Yeah. >> Um, but there is a company that is in the United States that is launching a
00:24:50
phone in a month. >> That also has really small market share. >> That also has really small market. I
00:24:54
know we get all excited all the time when the Pixel gains market share. There was like one quarter where they were 7%
00:24:59
of sales and we're like, it's going, it's going. And I looked at a chart yesterday. Almost every quarter they
00:25:04
have three to two two to three% of sales. There was one quarter where they randomly got seven and it was the month
00:25:10
the new Pixel came out. >> Yep. >> So, they're still not doing great. That's Google, baby. That's Google.
00:25:16
>> But maybe this one will change it. >> You know why it'll change it? Cuz the new colors are fire.
00:25:21
>> Yeah. Let's uh >> Well, we'll talk about it all. I Okay, Pixel 11. We actually just complimented
00:25:27
Pixel 11 on not leaking as much as we thought it would like a week or two ago. And then like mere days after we'd said
00:25:34
that, basically everything is leaked. So, okay. Yeah. Now the Pixel 11, we kind of already know everything from the
00:25:40
new colors to the design to the lack of a glow bar. >> You don't know the camera features,
00:25:44
though. There's that. >> True. Well, we'll get some AI soft stuff cuz software can't leak. Well, it can,
00:25:49
but it doesn't as much from these companies. Um, but from what we see, the design looks essentially the same as
00:25:57
we've seen for the past couple years, but a new color, a set of colors, which seems nice. And then we get the spec
00:26:03
sheets and the prices. So, we'll get to that in a second, but what are the new colors, David, cuz you're pumped about
00:26:07
these. >> Um, okay. Well, the So, Andrew, you wrote this down. >> Yeah, I wrote >> When you say there are like two colors
00:26:13
for each color, what is that? What's the deal? You tell me. >> Um, this is the most confusing set of
00:26:19
rumors and leaks I've ever read in my entire life. And writing out just the colors of this probably took me over an
00:26:25
hour because the reason we have these leaks is an accidental Amazon listing. And the reason we kind of need to take
00:26:32
that with a grain of salt is because even though it said it was from the Google Play Store on Amazon with Amazon
00:26:37
third party sellers, like sometimes you can get something shipped by a third party that still will say like the
00:26:41
company name behind it. So like something can be shipped by third party like a Canon camera but still might say
00:26:47
Canon under Amazon. So, >> we don't know exactly what this is, but the way things were listed is there was
00:26:53
the original rumors of colors that we had names. There was then the listed ones in the title of all these Amazon
00:27:00
listings associated with their code names, which seem to all match up. And then in the list sometimes had different
00:27:06
color names. So, I'm going to tell you the colors with one or two potential names they might each have.
00:27:11
>> It's also possible that they give the distributors different names than the actual colors. They don't link. They
00:27:18
might have literally found who accidentally did this if that's the case. But so for the Pixel 11, we have
00:27:24
obsidian or midnight haze, which is like a black. We have frost or light sterling, which is like a whitish light
00:27:31
>> bluey tinty. Yeah. We have hibiscus or fuchsia, which is like a sick pink. I mean fuchsia.
00:27:38
>> Yeah. Hot but dark pink, >> I would say. >> But isn't it hot pink dark? >> I don't know. I would generally do it
00:27:45
lighter than this. Um, this is a hot pink saturation slider. Yeah. 100%. >> For sure.
00:27:51
>> And then export it and 100% again. Yeah. >> Um, and then green, which is either
00:27:56
going to be called pistachio or moss. >> I think it's I hope it's pistachio. I like pistachios.
00:28:00
>> I'm going to go towards moss. >> It'll probably >> or actually I don't know because then
00:28:04
the green for the pros are also either a forest object or a food >> which is the same as pistachio or moss.
00:28:12
And then for the 11 Pro, we have another black either midnight haze or obsidian.
00:28:16
We have a light fog or sterling. So it's not the same but very similar >> um as the whitish bluish color before.
00:28:25
>> Yeah. >> Dune. >> Dune. >> Dune is fire. >> Dune or canyon which is like this is now
00:28:32
a light pink almost orangey copper. >> These colors are so good. >> They are really good. And then we have
00:28:37
pine or olive as the green, >> which is a light. >> I don't even know how to >> I hate all of them.
00:28:44
>> These two are very similar. The greenish one, >> black and that's it. >> You're insane.
00:28:48
>> I hate all You're insane. Fine. The pros The pro colors are fine. >> The pros are better for sure.
00:28:54
>> The nonpros are are dooky. >> Okay, this is what I This is my actual thoughts. They all these camera all
00:29:00
these companies do this thing where they have like bright fun interesting colors
00:29:03
for the non-pros and then they have all these muted colors for the pros. Not true.
00:29:07
>> And then Apple kind of broke out of that with this orange pro iPhone, which is
00:29:10
crazy. And we're like, "Oh, maybe this is finally going to be the year of like interesting pro colors." But they're
00:29:15
doing it again here. Google is has this uh bright pink on the nonpro. They have these a green, a light purple, and and a
00:29:22
obsidian that's not really black. And then the Pros are like a muted version of all of them.
00:29:26
>> Yeah. Yeah. I But give us like a bold pro or give us a black >> and they don't do either.
00:29:33
>> Well, it's almost black. >> That's why it's not black. >> Sight. >> It's the purple regular 11 and only
00:29:41
because it looks like Ellis's old mini. >> I mean, it does. Yeah, that's basically
00:29:44
the same color as the as the 12 mini. >> I really like the pro colors. I think the green is very like Pacific
00:29:51
Northwesty sort of adventure color. >> I will unfortunately never use a green phone. What about the Dune? No,
00:29:57
>> I like that color. The green's funny because you're right. The Pros are the muted versions of the normal ones,
00:30:03
except the green on the normal 11 is already like a muted green. So, this is like, how do we mute this more? Oh,
00:30:08
let's mute the >> I like the logo. >> It feels like color. Yeah. It's interesting they have no sort of
00:30:15
pearlescent option this year. They've always gone like the white like a fashiony one.
00:30:20
>> The fog could >> the light fog. I think that might wind up being a little pearlier than this.
00:30:27
>> Oh, I have another I have another pet peeve. I have more beef. The nonpro phones, they always do the matte
00:30:32
aluminum rails and then the Pro phones, they do the shiny like fingerprinty rails because it's Pro and it's supposed
00:30:38
to feel that last year though. >> Um maybe, but it looks like they're not they're going to do that again this
00:30:43
time. The Pros have these shiny rails and the non-pros have matte rails and that is a bummer.
00:30:48
>> That is a bummer. I'm glad they're doing colors, but maybe it's just a me thing,
00:30:52
but I'm not a fan of any of these colors. >> Adam, hold up your phone. >> He's on an iPhone now. We can't trust
00:30:58
him. He's a shill. >> Silver iPhone. >> Um, also, real quick, the 11 Pro full colors are obsidian, midnight haze, or
00:31:07
green. Yeah, >> I like the rails on this screen better. Is that the same? Maybe it is the same.
00:31:14
You just see more of it because of the camera bump and the ed the corners. Last year did they did blue, right? For the
00:31:20
color one. >> I don't remember. >> I'm pretty sure they did. >> Yeah. Um, for the color names, I'm
00:31:25
pretty sure they're probably going to go with obsidian, frost. Uh, these are names that they've used in the past. So,
00:31:30
I imagine that they will just stick with those names. Fog >> and they especially when the colors
00:31:36
match the other accessories that they have like the pixel band accessories and stuff like the greenish one is called
00:31:41
fog, you know. I think that they just try to stick with that across the line. So, I don't think they're going to be
00:31:46
changing the name significantly. Yeah. But now, here's the slightly worse news. Uh, all the all the specs and prices
00:31:53
have also leaked from this. So, if we are to believe these specs and prices, then what's happening is the base Pixel
00:32:00
11 will start now at double 256 gigs, but it also now starts at $900. >> Oh my god.
00:32:09
>> And goes up from there. Uh, so Pixel 11 Pro will start at 256 with 12 gigs of
00:32:15
RAM. It will be $1100. I mean, it's they all have to get RAM. It's 12 gigs of RAM. It's not nothing.
00:32:20
But 1,200 or 1,100 for Pixel 11 Pro and 1300 for the 11 Pro XL. Wow. $1,300 for Pixel.
00:32:28
>> I thought Google just got $800 million from Epic Games. Why are they charging
00:32:32
this much? This >> the rest of the specs do appear to be pretty much in line with last year.
00:32:38
batteries get a tiny bit of a bump. Like 13 megapixel front camera is the same. >> No, it's not. It was a The Pro had a 42
00:32:47
megapixel frontfacing camera. >> Oh, really? Okay. >> Pixel 10 Pro had resolution had a nice
00:32:52
frontfacing camera and now Yeah. >> And they made a big deal about it. >> Mhm. And now they made it worse.
00:32:57
>> Now these are specs. We're not totally sure, >> but 120 Hz OLEDs across the board,
00:33:04
similar sizes. And then the Pro phone will start at $1,900. >> Pro Fold. >> Pro Fold, sorry. We'll start at $1,900.
00:33:12
And >> $1,900. >> Yeah, >> that's going to look like a steal next to the Apple Fold.
00:33:18
>> That's true. That's going to be $24.99. >> A couple funny things. The Pixel 11 has
00:33:22
a better battery than the Pixel 11 Pro. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah, the selfie cameras are worse.
00:33:28
the and yeah, these these prices are, you know, last year they had the chance to make
00:33:36
things right and this year obviously there are RAM things, but I'm not going to let them use that as an excuse
00:33:41
because $900 for 256 base is >> wild. It's dumb. Awful. I But the iPhone at least last
00:33:50
year got to be like, we cared about you guys for a little bit. Pixel just spit in your face. On the 11 Pro versus 11,
00:33:57
it's $200 more. Are you just getting the telly lens and that's it? >> You're That's typically the only
00:34:02
difference. Yeah. Which is why I keep saying like it's hard to sell people on that.
00:34:05
>> And it's the same size. >> Something else, too. >> Often it's like a brighter display and
00:34:09
like a couple other small like HDR related things that are like small tweaks for the Pro.
00:34:14
>> Yeah. >> But yeah, it's a slightly smaller battery because you have slightly more
00:34:16
camera. So, >> this leak though says that the 11 Pro is lighter than the 11, which is very
00:34:22
weird. >> Less battery. Could be materials. >> Battery. Materials. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Less battery. It's
00:34:27
>> less battery. Yeah. But not by a lot. How How much does a 100 millah weigh? >> I mean, if we're talking about inside of
00:34:32
a phone, it's probably one of the more dense things. >> It's just they're just electrons. They
00:34:36
can't weigh that much. >> Um, the things we don't know about the Pixel are how good is the new tensor
00:34:42
chip and what sort of new features will that unlock. That is kind of the only way that I think that they can sell me
00:34:48
on these phones being like substantially new in any way. I don't have the leak and I can tell you that already.
00:34:54
>> Not much better and something that will be available on all the other pixels 3
00:34:57
months after. >> Yeah, I have had this optimism before for pixels and it has not worked out for
00:35:01
me. So, I am I'm not going to cross my fingers or hold my breath, but that is a thing that we don't know yet is what are
00:35:07
they going to show on stage. Oh, Tensor has more TPU, more AI features, more stuff that you can't do on the previous
00:35:13
phones until 6 months later. We'll see. But that's what we don't know. I did see
00:35:17
a report that the new um the new Gemma model is like being optimized for tensor on the Pixel 10 and above. So, it's
00:35:26
possible they have more GPU accelerators, stuff like that. >> But as far as what actual features this
00:35:32
makes better, whether or not it's um you know, Google Photos features or whatever, and then it'll probably yeah,
00:35:38
just all go to the cloud and everyone will have it in 3 months. Well, this feels like if you upgrade from a Pixel
00:35:43
10 Pro to a Pixel 11 Pro, you get a worse phone. >> Pixel 10 Pro to 11 Pro phone, but who's
00:35:51
upgrading from a 10 Pro to an 11 Pro? >> Possibly. But then why wouldn't you upgrade from a Pixel 9 Pro to a Pixel 10
00:35:59
Pro that's you like cheaper and on sale? >> That's probably the better move. >> Yeah, this is I mean maybe there's some
00:36:05
other stuff we don't know, but usually the stuff we don't know is software features that go to another phone later.
00:36:10
Anyways, >> yeah, very curious. Well, there's a new Samsung Flex Titanium display technology
00:36:16
that is apparently allegedly going to be used in the Fold 8 and the Fold 8 Ultra.
00:36:22
Um, in previous Samsung Galaxy Folds, they have used a plastic backing material against the OLED. And they have
00:36:31
reportedly developed a new flex titanium, which swaps the plastic support stack that used to be under the
00:36:37
OLED panel with a new titanium alloy film, which Samsung is claiming has about 20 times the mechanical stiffness
00:36:44
of the old polymer. Um, >> wait, what does this do? >> So, there's a couple things it does. Did
00:36:51
you miss? >> I guess I'm I'm assuming this is basically ideally going to bring the
00:36:56
hinge creaselessness of whatever new fold comes out to the level of what we just saw with I want to get the name
00:37:02
right. The Apple find N6. Is that what it's called? The Fold. >> I don't know. >> The best foldable peak foldable. Find
00:37:08
N6. Uh which we've seen that one. It's like a super impressive lack of a of a hinge crease when you're actually using
00:37:15
it. So it's beautiful. Uh, and Samsung's now, we look at it side by side and we're like, "Oh, Samsung actually does
00:37:20
kind of still have a crease." So, they have essentially directly responded to it by also doing the same thing, putting
00:37:25
metal right behind that little crease and flattening it out. So, >> hopefully it works.
00:37:30
>> It's supposed to make it locker, too. I will say almost everyone I know who has
00:37:35
a flip after about a year to a year and a half, uh, the crease in the center cracks. So, apparently this should not
00:37:43
crack. theoretically, hopefully on God for real this time. >> Um, and yeah, it's supposed to be a lot
00:37:48
more flat and stable. Right now, when the uh when you unfold it, there's like a little dip in the center, and that's
00:37:56
just because the plastic support cannot actually like it's not stiff enough to keep it flat. This is supposed to be
00:38:02
much more stiff. Um, also because they are using this material now, they don't have to put reinforcement layers on the
00:38:10
display, which means that there are less layers between the OLED and your eyes. So, they say that they don't have to put
00:38:16
as much power in order to achieve the same brightness because there is less diffusion happening on top of the OLED.
00:38:22
>> Great. >> Uh, how much power that actually saves, I'm not totally sure. This could just be
00:38:26
their marketing spin. But any little, it's like an electric car, like any little efficiency improvement, we'll
00:38:30
take it because these phones don't have the biggest batteries. >> For sure. >> Yeah, for sure. So, we should be seeing
00:38:35
that. Um, >> yeah, next time the next podcast we'll be talking exactly about these things.
00:38:40
We'll know everything about them. So, >> everything. >> Everything. >> Everything.
00:38:44
>> Yes. >> No. >> Yes. >> The next podcast we'll be doing a game show. >> Oh. Oh, yeah.
00:38:48
>> Yeah. Where we talk about everything from Samsung, >> right? >> A day early. >> Yeah. The next The next podcast
00:38:55
>> is Trivia Extravaganza. >> That's right, baby. >> Finally. >> Finally. >> Finally.
00:38:59
>> Finally. >> And then the next next podcast. >> Yeah. Then >> we'll be trivia extravaganza too.
00:39:04
>> Electric ugaloo. >> The triving. >> The triving. >> Yeah. So um well the next real regular
00:39:11
not real the next regular scheduled show you'll be hearing. >> Wow. Tell us how you really feel.
00:39:16
>> Okay. It's only five points if I win. Okay. I think what he's trying to say is
00:39:19
everyone should hit the subscribe button to know when both of those podcasts are
00:39:23
out. >> That's true. You want to know, you just want to click. Uh yeah. So, that should
00:39:28
be interesting and exciting. We are going to learn more about that next week. >> Speaking of learning more about things,
00:39:34
you know that always happens when we do trivia. >> See what I did there? >> Nice.
00:39:41
>> I was going to say I try and forget all the ones I get wrong because they just
00:39:44
make me mad instead. >> True. >> It's a lot. you'll learn temporarily. >> Pete Laauo, who founded OnePlus, right?
00:39:51
Okay. I wasn't sure if he was the OG guy or if he came on later, but anyway, Pete
00:39:54
Laauo, when describing his aspirations for OnePlus all the way back in 2014, 12 years ago, said that he wanted OnePlus
00:40:01
to be which Japanese minimalist homegoods brand, but for the tech industry. >> I feel like I learned I read this
00:40:10
recently. What did he say? He wanted OnePlus to be >> he said he wanted it to be the blank of
00:40:18
the tech industry. >> Fujifilm >> and it's a Japanese minimalist homegoods store known for not putting their logo
00:40:26
on any of their products. >> World Market >> Trader Joe's. >> Well, like we said, we will either get
00:40:35
the answers right or we will learn something new. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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fourth time trying to get us back into the episode. But Apple is suing Open AI and that's fun and they're doing it for
00:42:00
stealing trade secrets. And the more >> you allegedly allegedly >> allegedly allegedly, but the alleged
00:42:05
stories are very funny. So, we're going to tell you some of them. Um, >> we just posted a skit to the main
00:42:10
channel called Apple's winning the AI race. And at the end, we kind of pose this question of what do you think is
00:42:15
more likely? Do you think Apple will create good enough AI to make people stick with the iPhone if people are
00:42:21
looking for AIs? or do you think some one like an AI company will make a good enough piece of hardware like a phone to
00:42:27
make people switch off of iPhones? And >> the first one, >> yeah, I agree. But apparently OpenAI
00:42:33
didn't. And their best thought was, well, let's just steal the iPhone. Pretty much
00:42:36
>> that's dumb. >> Um, in a suit filed last week, the iPhone maker alleges that OpenAI asked
00:42:41
former Apple employees, um, even potential recruits to bring information about unreleased products. They also are
00:42:47
claiming that OpenAI instructed hires on how to evade security procedures. I'll get to that in a second.
00:42:54
>> That's a really funny image though of someone being like, "Hey, uh, your interview for with OpenAI is tomorrow."
00:42:58
Oh, what do they tell you to bring? Uh, bring my resume. Bring trade secrets from Apple.
00:43:04
>> Did you read the rest of what I wrote because you're it's worse somehow. >> Somehow worse. Okay.
00:43:09
>> Okay. Everything I'm going to do here is basically >> allegedly >> just Well, yes, allegedly. But things I
00:43:15
pulled from there's a Bloomberg article, there's an RS Technica article. Everyone
00:43:18
covered this. I'm just going to tell you some of the things that OpenAI is allegedly doing. Um because some of them
00:43:24
are wild. So one of the crazier things I read is that um Tang Yu Tan, a former Apple VP of the iPhone and Apple Watch
00:43:32
product design. >> He was there for 29 years, by the way. >> Yep. He is now the chief hardware
00:43:36
officer at OpenAI. He I mean like first of all, you can swap tech swaps jobs all
00:43:42
the time. We're all used to that. But in the suit, it's alleging that um is it a three-piece suit or a
00:43:50
>> This man became the chief hardware officer at a company that makes no hardware investments.
00:43:55
>> Well, they're working on um Apple's alleging that he took information about Apple's suppliers to him with OpenAI and
00:44:00
encourages interviewees at OpenAI to divulge confidential company information. He has quote directed job
00:44:07
candidates still working for Apple to bring in actual parts from Apple to their interviews for show and tell
00:44:14
sessions. >> What? >> Okay, that's hilarious. >> Unrelated to the show and tell session
00:44:19
we'll be doing later in this episode. >> Yeah, true. >> Um, and then yeah, >> I'm bringing in trade and
00:44:26
>> No, not bringing in the physical products. Um, >> he's relied on his insider knowledge,
00:44:31
like knowing project secret code names to have Apple employees in their interviews discuss unreleased products.
00:44:39
He also has used internal allegedly used internal Apple documents to create a checklist to help departing Apple
00:44:47
employees circumvent security measures while bringing those trade secrets. Um, >> messy.
00:44:54
>> Some of that is the show and tell thing is hilarious. that show and tell thing
00:44:58
is like a par it's almost reads like an onion article. >> Uh >> yeah, >> it is I'm sure that there are like very
00:45:05
specific things that Apple makes you sign to work there and then like once you leave like you're not allowed to
00:45:11
disclose a bunch of that stuff, but there also is probably a gray area that OpenAI is clearly going past, but
00:45:18
there's probably a gray area of like well the reason why OpenAI wants to hire you is because of your expertise in the
00:45:24
places you work. That's how hiring works. But then they're just kind of being way more over the line about it
00:45:30
where they're like, "Yeah, bring all the bring the folders from your desk at Apple when you come to work here." Like
00:45:34
stuff like that. >> Open has has also hired over 400 people from Apple and they have gutted so many
00:45:40
teams at Apple that they have had to completely rehire for different organizations because so many people
00:45:46
left to OpenAI. >> Yeah. Here's a little inside baseball is like the number one most common pitch I
00:45:52
see in my inbox for companies that think that they're about to get a bunch of investment is we have a bunch of people
00:45:58
that came from Apple. >> Yeah, >> that is like the that's the the golden words that you need to be able to say
00:46:04
>> to get people to be interested in your startup. Humane like it's not new. This
00:46:08
is not a new strategy. So yes, inevitably you're going to get a lot of people who are like poached from Apple
00:46:14
to go to this new place because they are promised a way bigger role and the ability to like shape some crazy new
00:46:21
thing. And you you're taking a risk, but yeah, that is clearly over the line. >> It's tricky because uh during the Biden
00:46:27
administration, they put forward a bunch of legislation that made it so they could not stop uh they could not make
00:46:34
you sign agreements that say I cannot work at these tech companies two years. Yeah, non-competes basically. And they
00:46:41
made it so they can't do that because then you're basically trapped at a corporation and then you can't have a
00:46:46
job for two years, which is insane. >> But on the other side of that coin, it's like
00:46:51
>> you even if you don't explicitly bring trade secrets, it's not like they can take the information out of your brain.
00:46:57
You know what I mean? And it's very very very difficult to not >> Yeah. >> use that similar information or similar
00:47:04
knowledge. >> It's part of who you are. It's like okay. I mean, it depends though. There's
00:47:08
a difference between Yeah. >> I want to use the sports analogy for this one cuz I it it's helped me
00:47:12
sympathize, not sympathize, but understand >> when you are a unrestricted free agent
00:47:18
from uh >> basketball again, >> any sport, any team sport, >> there are players that play for some
00:47:24
teams who've played against other teams and one team will win the championship >> and then the next year they're a free
00:47:30
agent. they just won the championship and a competing team might go, >> we would like to make a trade to get
00:47:36
that guy because he's a good cuz he's a good basketball player, but also because
00:47:41
we know we're going to have to beat that team again next year and he knows all their plays. He knows the way they run
00:47:47
and the way they're coached and all these secrets that they have. And I'm not going to ask him outright to be
00:47:52
like, "Hey, we want to trade for you. Like, are you going to give us the playbook from your team?" But it's it
00:47:57
kind of just comes with the package. Like that's part of who you are as a basketball player. He also wants to win.
00:48:03
>> Yeah, it's competitive. >> They brought in the actual thing like that's not what we're talking
00:48:10
over the line. But in any in any other like hiring situation that that's that's like part of the story of like who
00:48:16
you're hiring. >> I think the better analogy here is like Formula 1 and being like, "Oh, Lewis
00:48:19
Hamilton or Adrien Newi is up and we're going to sign him at Aston Martin and he
00:48:24
brings in a wealth of knowledge of developing the car." That's something they can expect. This would be like
00:48:28
Adrien Newy showing up with >> the blueprint, >> the the front wing and being like in his
00:48:33
interview like this is what's helping us. >> Him driving to work on his first day in
00:48:38
the old car. Like >> yeah. Uh Apple is also alleging that Lou left Apple on January 22nd, 2026, never
00:48:44
returned at least one company laptop, and he texted a former colleague still at Apple writing, "Lol, I found out I
00:48:53
can access the network storage. So funny." Her reply was, "I'm ready." >> And then she left Apple and went to
00:49:00
OpenAI after. >> So, >> wow. They do have some They got some dirt, I'm going to say.
00:49:05
>> Yeah, the text trails are >> Yeah, he like used some bug through it and can still access could still access
00:49:10
the network storage while he was already working at Open. It's >> It's crazy. >> Some of this stuff is like a whole
00:49:16
another level of >> Yeah. >> of not just like, oh, I have a bunch of experience from Apple to just like I
00:49:21
have the Apple thing. I would like to remind everybody that currently on the iPhone there is an open AI ask chatgpt
00:49:28
integration. >> They were supposed to be friends. >> Buddy buddy. >> Really awkward.
00:49:34
>> Yeah. >> Oh, but then this morning, don't worry everyone, we have a resolution to this
00:49:39
already. >> Uh, yes. Hold on. Where did I post this? >> Um, OpenAI says it has seen no evidence
00:49:45
supporting Apple's trade secret theft claims. >> Oh, >> they've they have investigated
00:49:49
themselves. >> They find themselves totally innocent. investigation and found nothing wrong.
00:49:54
>> Oh, that's crazy. Okay, well >> this is ridiculous. >> I guess they can just they can just
00:49:58
>> This is a company that stole everything being like, "Wait, we didn't take that.
00:50:02
>> We didn't take that though." >> Yeah, we literally told took everything. But we
00:50:07
>> guys, we already built so many things on the things we stole. Do you think we
00:50:09
could just use it anyway? >> Like, you remember that episode of Futurama where Bender walks around
00:50:14
singing that song and goes, "I love stealing. I love taking things." Exactly. >> Yeah. Out in the open. Out in the open,
00:50:21
baby. It's kind of like Sunno. Little little tangent, but there was a report this morning got hacked and all the
00:50:27
source code got leaked and all the source code is like YouTube tags and yeah, it's just genius lyrics which are
00:50:34
also copyrighted. This is all cop this is all stolen. Um, yeah, there's a lot going on there. This is going to be a
00:50:41
really fun lawsuit to watch play out. >> It's going to be the more discovery there is, the more fun we are all going
00:50:46
to have. Ultimately, what's probably going to happen is it's going to take forever. OpenAI is probably going to
00:50:51
have to like pause what they're doing hardware-wise and try and redo things as much as they can without looking like
00:50:59
they're taking anything from Apple or else Apple's going to >> But that's the other thing is they kind
00:51:05
of still do want to look like they're taking things from Apple. >> They took Johnny.
00:51:09
>> They took Johnny IVive from Apple. >> Yeah. And Ferrari took Johnny IV and and
00:51:12
was proudly like this is the guy who did the Apple stuff. Now he's with us. That
00:51:17
makes it good, right? Like that's it's so And yeah, it didn't work. >> Notice how he's still the the former
00:51:22
Apple guy, not the luch creator. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Question. If you're hiring someone
00:51:27
like you're open AI and you're hiring someone for their knowledge of like a certain part of the market and their
00:51:32
relationships and like, oh, I know these factories, blah blah blah blah, and then
00:51:36
you hire them away from someone like Apple. How does that person then not just go back and use those same
00:51:42
factories? Like there's only so many factories you can use to build China. >> No, but I mean
00:51:49
>> he's saying to use the factories >> like the per to Marquez's point, it's this guy's knowledge of these factories
00:51:55
like, "Oh, I know this one factory builds this thing." >> He has that knowledge no matter what.
00:51:59
Whether or not he's bringing in old iPhone parts or whatever or new iPhone parts.
00:52:03
>> Yeah, this is what I'm saying. You can't restrict knowledge. And this is the whole reason why these non-competes
00:52:08
existed in the first place. But by non-competes existing, you're also basically locking people into a company.
00:52:14
>> So it's kind >> even two years later, I'm still going to know that company exists
00:52:18
>> for sure. >> Knowing the factory doesn't mean you're going to know how they're building
00:52:21
everything in it. I mean, you could use it again, but then it would be the factory breaking trade secrets that they
00:52:26
probably have some sort of contract in and how things are built and whatnot. Plus, chances are if you're going to the
00:52:31
factory, Apple's using Apple's probably using them at a pretty high capacity already.
00:52:36
>> Yeah. I mean, I remember uh getting a tour of the Pegatron factory. >> Hilarious name.
00:52:42
>> And uh they were building the iPhone 10 there while I was there. >> And that's how that stuff gets leaked.
00:52:48
>> It's like very very simple. There's >> there is a difference between just like
00:52:52
knowledge and like trade secrets though. Like you can ask >> but that's the gray area.
00:52:58
>> They it sounds if all these alleged things happen, we pass the gray area. >> No. Yeah, those things are past the gray
00:53:04
area. But I think there is a gray area in knowledge that you had to do your job and trade secrets. And I'm sure Apple
00:53:13
probably explicitly defines some things as secret and cannot be traded. But the things that aren't explicitly defined
00:53:20
are just kind of like oh proprietary. >> Well, you can be you can have a not have
00:53:24
a non sorry too many >> non >> yeah too many abbreviations here. You can have >> a contract that doesn't involve a
00:53:32
non-disclosure, but you could still probably have NDA things that you learned at the company that if it were
00:53:37
to be those things came out, you'd be breaking that contract. No. >> Yeah. >> Just never open your mouth.
00:53:44
>> Here's another thing that happens a lot in my inbox, okay? >> Is I'll get an email from someone who
00:53:49
was working at one smartphone company or one car company or whatever, and they go, "Hey, it's my last day at the job.
00:53:55
Just wanted to say it was great working with you. Here's me passing you off to your new contact here. And then five
00:54:01
minutes later, I'll get an email from the same person. Hey, I'm now working at this company.
00:54:06
>> Good to be in touch. Here's some stuff to just get our relationship started. So, they are taking their contacts from
00:54:13
one relationship that they had at one company to another one. Is that trade secrets? No. Is that part of the
00:54:18
knowledge you have on the job? Kind of. Yeah. >> That's just how business works.
00:54:22
>> That's why you got hired. You're a PR person who has those contacts. >> Yeah. So yeah, it goes with you.
00:54:27
>> It goes with you. Well, funny enough, uh, Open >> This is legal information or legal
00:54:32
>> legal advice. Yes, >> legal advice, uh, or financial advice. Funny, uh, related to this, related to
00:54:38
this, OpenAI big big report out of Bloomberg this week. Uh, Openai's first hardware device is reportedly a movable
00:54:46
screenless speaker built as an AI companion. >> I thought it was an iPhone. >> Not that's not their first one. It will
00:54:52
be their second probably. Um, if this is actually really interesting, they're actually allowed to.
00:54:56
>> Why are we calling a movable? It's a Bluetooth speaker. >> It's a Bluetooth speaker, but it's not
00:55:01
Bluetooth. >> It's not Bluetooth. It's probably Wi-Fi. >> They have um It has Anyway, I'll go
00:55:06
through. >> Who cares? >> Mhm. So, it's going to be a smart speaker that lives in your home and it will
00:55:11
exist as a sort of companion that you'll be able to talk to casually, control other smart home devices, play media,
00:55:18
respond to messages, and tap into the full range of capabilities offered by Chat GBT. It kind of sounds like the
00:55:24
Sonos Rome speaker, their little portable speaker that you move around the house that both has Wi-Fi and
00:55:29
Bluetooth. Um, they German says that it will become a it will become more personalized and proactive as it grows
00:55:36
to understand its owner over time and it will use a more advanced version of the
00:55:40
chat GPT live feature they just announced last week to communicate with users. It can listen and talk at the
00:55:46
same time, adapt naturally to conversations and quickly process information. It's designed to stay in
00:55:51
your home, but it will be extremely easy to move around different rooms. So, if you like take it to the washing machine
00:55:56
room or something, if you live in a house and you're rich, unlike me. Um, it's supposed to have I don't have a
00:56:03
laundry room, bro. The device is said to have mechanical elements that can move on their own to give the users a sense
00:56:09
that the device is actually responding and is a bit more anthorized. Don't love that.
00:56:14
>> You mean like that Apple research paper they put out a few years ago? >> Yes. Just like that confidential trade
00:56:19
secret paper. Uh, it will include a camera and other sensors to better understand its surroundings and context.
00:56:25
Don't love that part. And reportedly, OpenAI is working on five different hardware devices, including the phone.
00:56:31
Uh, but it plans to announce this one this year and probably release in 27. Though, because of this lawsuit, uh,
00:56:38
it's very possible this gets pushed by like a year. >> This might stay inhos. >> I don't want a speaker that gets more
00:56:46
proactive. That might be the the worst feature I could think of on a a thing that's constantly
00:56:54
>> listening and looking at me all the time. >> I don't want it to >> Yeah. >> No, you're right.
00:56:59
>> That's crazy. >> You're right. >> It's crazy that it would like get more adapted to you as a
00:57:04
>> more They're using the word proactive, which makes me think it will start >> prompting you because it knows
00:57:10
>> it will stop prompting me instead of me prompting it. Like I don't want to walk
00:57:14
by it and be like, "Yo, what's up? Weather's pretty nice out today and I'm going to pick up the movable speaker and
00:57:19
move it as far into the woods as possible with a baseball throw. >> Andrew, design a web app that does this.
00:57:26
>> I'm going to just toss it out the window. That sounds >> Make no mistakes. >> Make no mistake.
00:57:30
>> All of these tech bro like there's so much discussion in the tech space right
00:57:34
now about taste and everyone everyone thinks doing things with taste means doing things with like an Apple hardware
00:57:40
finish. You know what I mean? No. paste means not making a wife a robot waifu in
00:57:46
any capacity. I don't care if it's a dude. I don't care if it's a beautiful brushed aluminum speaker.
00:57:50
>> Mhm. >> Don't do it. >> But you know, Sam Alman's Sam Alman is just trying to figure out as many ways
00:57:54
as possible to get people to buy a chat GBT subscription for life. Like that's what he wants. He wants you to become
00:58:00
attached to things. He wants you to just never want to unsubscribe to chat GBT because you're basically killing your
00:58:06
friend if you do this. That's what he wants you to do. I'll tell you I'll tell you why I think this is really
00:58:11
interesting. And this is this is kind of what came from that video that that I just made, which was, do you think that
00:58:16
Apple with the iPhone will make an AI good enough to keep you on the iPhone or do you think a hardware an AI company
00:58:22
will come along and make hardware good enough to take you off of the iPhone? Every company is looking for what the
00:58:28
next big thing is all the time. Yeah, >> the iPhone has been the big thing for a
00:58:33
long time, which has everybody on edge looking for the next big thing. And it seems like AI is going to be related to
00:58:38
this next big thing in some way. And so if you're a company that's either new or
00:58:43
very heavily invested in AI and you think that there's a possibility that you can get someone to the next big
00:58:49
thing that is not the iPhone, how do you make that? What is that thing? Those are
00:58:54
all unanswered questions. This is going to be one of them first big company attempts at the next big thing. And what
00:59:04
they will absolutely not have is a way to connect it to the iPhone. And so they'll have to do everything on this
00:59:11
device anticipating that it never connects to an iPhone. It'll have to connect to the internet on its own. It
00:59:16
will have to listen to the user and move and connect to the chat GPT service on its own. And if you want to have it do
00:59:21
all the things that you were talking about that it's supposed to do, which is like um play media, respond to messages,
00:59:26
and do all this other stuff, how does it do that without talking to your iPhone?
00:59:29
That's really tricky. But if you the second that you make it connect to the iPhone, you are dependent on the iPhone
00:59:36
and it is therefore not the next big thing after the iPhone. And that's the challenge that they're all after.
00:59:42
>> We saw this fail many times. Think of the humane pin. Okay, we want to build the next big thing. What if it's a pin
00:59:48
that sits on your chest and it has this little AI in it and you can talk to it and it listens to you, whatever. We all
00:59:52
know that was a dumb idea and it was way too early and it was a bad product. But
00:59:56
one of the things that it absolutely could not do was connect to the iPhone to get messages to do any of the things
01:00:03
we wanted it to do because the smartphone's so good. >> So the challenge that that seems
01:00:07
impossible that is up against all these big companies and chat GPT or OpenAI is going to try is to make something that
01:00:14
you are willing to use that never connects to your phone and it's a really hard challenge and it's probably going
01:00:20
to be a dumb bad product and we're way too early still but that's the challenge ahead of them. That is exactly why
01:00:26
specifically the line respond to messages perked my ears up >> because how are you going to do that?
01:00:32
Does that mean that they're going to launch their own messaging service? Is that included in chat? Do we get
01:00:36
>> issue humane has messages or something? Cuz if you're going to respond to iMes
01:00:41
then you need to plug into the iPhone which Apple will never let you do even if you did hire Johnny IV.
01:00:46
>> This is the main thing for me like open has try being trying to build out an ecosystem of tasks and things that chatt
01:00:52
is able to do. None of these things have to do with other people, right? And you
01:00:57
cannot get rid of the you can't get rid of the phone without replacing the messaging ecosystem and the ability to
01:01:04
talk to other people, work with other people in Slack in messages. Most of the things that we do on our phones are
01:01:09
connect with other people digitally, whether it's social media, whether it's texting. OpenAI does not have that. So
01:01:15
yes, you could probably make a bot that you talk to, that is anthropomorphized, that you develop a relationship with,
01:01:20
that you just sort of have conversations with. Sure, but like replacing the iPhone is insane. And I don't I still
01:01:28
don't know what they expect their phone to be because if it's a phone, it's just
01:01:31
going to be an Android phone. And like sure, maybe it's optimized for ChatGpt in some way. And the reason they're
01:01:36
doing that is cuz they want you to keep using the chat GBT subscription until you die,
01:01:41
>> but it's not going to replace the core fundamental features of what makes texting texting of what makes Slack
01:01:46
Slack. Like >> they're never going to get a critical mass to stop using the messages app.
01:01:52
>> Yeah. What I do see is the people on the bleeding edge, the tech bros as we call
01:01:56
them, who are like trying to turn these AI chat bots into useful tools and to have them do tasks for them or to be
01:02:03
useful to them or whatever. >> And there are existing I was just pulling it up because I think Janna uses
01:02:08
one of these applaud like a little note-taking companion which is essentially just like a little every
01:02:13
once in a while. >> Yeah. which is like it is just a little useful thing which it can listen to the
01:02:17
meetings that you're in and summarize them for you or it can listen to the notes that you talk to it and it can
01:02:21
bring back that stuff later proactively when it thinks you want to hear that stuff again. Remind me was not paid to
01:02:26
say that that time but we have been paid to say that. >> Correct. Good disc. Good disclosure. But
01:02:31
it's an example of a thing that does not connect to your iPhone but uses AI to try to be useful.
01:02:37
>> Yeah. And the more big ambitions you have with this thing to be useful, the more you start to overlap with, oh well,
01:02:43
my phone can do that already. Or, oh well, I think I'll it's just easier to do that on my phone instead of like also
01:02:48
getting a second device to do that. And that's where you're up against like, well, what do we make this thing do?
01:02:54
Does it live alongside your iPhone like the AI pin tried to? Is it just like a thing I have in my pocket sometimes and
01:02:59
I take it with me everywhere? Is it wearable so it's on me all the time? This one, the first descriptions of it
01:03:04
kind of sounded like a HomePod, like it was plugged into the wall, but it's clearly not. So, it's like a battery
01:03:08
powered thing. So, you put it in your pocket with you. >> I don't think it No, no, no. You're not
01:03:11
supposed to take it out of your home. >> It's out of your It's in your home all the time. It never leaves.
01:03:14
>> Bluetooth speaker. >> So, yeah, it's like a >> not just Wi-Fi. So, it is it is
01:03:19
interesting to see what their attempt of it will be. And then, of course, they will
01:03:22
>> shower this with former Apple designers and and lots of people who >> hope it doesn't.
01:03:28
>> Well, maybe they didn't hire an Apple designer from HomePod because they maybe
01:03:31
have a bunch of old casings from Sam Alman's stupid eye orb thing that he tried to sell.
01:03:37
They're still for what? >> Prove you're a human, bro. And get rich off crypto. >> This is the original reason I thought
01:03:43
Sam Alvin was a loser. But this >> prove you're a human. Rich off crypto bing. You're you're done for UBI, baby.
01:03:49
>> Tell tell me you couldn't see this orb thing being a little speaker with a camera
01:03:55
sensor that would like talk to you. >> Yeah. >> Like this. This is almost what I
01:03:59
imagined it being. Yeah. >> That looks like a membrane. It would be so funny if this is what winds up being
01:04:03
the hardware for or something very similar to it. >> Say what you want, but I would be so
01:04:08
happy to have a BB-8 just follow me around all day chatting with me. >> Little BB-8 guy from Star Wars. I think
01:04:13
so cute. >> So, apparently they're working on five hardware devices right now, which is
01:04:18
>> very interesting. I imagine one of them is planning to leave the house. Probably
01:04:23
headphones, maybe. >> That could make sense. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. We also there's also
01:04:28
like Apple is going to be trying to work on things that compete too cuz they're also constantly worried about what will
01:04:34
beat the iPhone or be next. So like AirPods with cameras, like random AI stuff. They're always working on stuff.
01:04:39
>> Yeah. >> So yeah, >> we'll see. >> I uh it's funny that I don't think Anthropic is going to make hardware
01:04:45
anytime soon. I think they're just cool doing the B2B thing. >> Aren't they releasing like a keyboard?
01:04:50
>> No, the the work louder keyboard is with Open AI. >> Also, >> that was with Open AI. Oh, wait, wait.
01:04:55
Just if I can rant on that, it's literally something that's been available forever.
01:05:00
>> What is a macro pad? >> Work louder just makes a little macro pad. We've talked about Work Louder
01:05:05
here. They're an interesting company that makes a lot of stuff that goes on pre-order and almost never gets actually
01:05:09
sold. >> It's just a macro pad they've had forever and it says OpenAI on it. They've done it for Figma already. It's
01:05:15
I'm pretty sure it's the exact same thing. >> Yeah, it's for codeex. Oh. Oh, okay.
01:05:19
It's just like whatever that can do, you can do with any amount of buttons that can plug into a USB port.
01:05:27
>> The action button on my phone does that. I I was I have a shortcut set. So when
01:05:31
you press the action button, it does speech to text and then gives that to Claude and it's just my my Siri is now
01:05:37
Claude button. >> Yeah, Steam could do whatever that is. It's it's nothing. Well, in a move that
01:05:43
nobody uh saw coming except for everybody, Meta wants to make glasses that record all the time. They're
01:05:51
rumored to be working on this always on pair of AI glasses that are >> recording not just what
01:05:57
>> constantly recording audio and snapping photos that you'll be able to ask Meta
01:06:01
AI about later. >> The absolute [ __ ] on this company, >> dude, it's crazy. We gave them credit
01:06:08
last week for like working on the drilling out LED lights and then this week they said, "Hold my beer. I want to
01:06:15
make this even worse." They're like, they're working on a new pair of glasses that essentially would be recording
01:06:21
audio and snapping photos every couple seconds constantly. >> So you can talk about it later.
01:06:26
>> Mhm. So you can ask Meta AI questions about it later. Like a memory assistance, I guess. We've talked about
01:06:32
this with other things. The What was the bubble memory pickle thing? They claim that it wouldn't be quote stored on
01:06:40
stored by meta and users wouldn't be able to access it. It would just be they would be pulling the meta data from it
01:06:46
and then you would be able to >> prompt into it. >> Sure, guys. >> But they're also not sure if they're
01:06:52
going to use it to train their AI models, which definitely means they're 100% going to find a way that they can
01:06:58
train from their AI models on it. They we already saw them do that. Is this not exactly what we were talking about with
01:07:03
the AirPods with cameras? >> Um, >> I wasn't here for that. >> I don't I don't think the AirPods are
01:07:10
with cameras are going to be recording all the time, but >> Well, they Okay, so recording I think
01:07:14
that's a that's a weird misnomer in the title. It's not recording, but it is. So, the here's what the rumor was for
01:07:19
the AirPods. It was there was going to be cameras in the stems of the AirPods and there are lowresolution cameras that
01:07:26
are never recording video but are always recording some lowresolution map of whatever which is like kind of still
01:07:32
video. >> Was that the rumor? >> But it would be Yeah. So it wouldn't be it's not a high enough like quality
01:07:38
camera to to like record videos with it, but it would be able to sense >> your environment the content. Are you
01:07:45
outside or inside? It's kind of like a low res video sensor in a way that the AI can then use that to identify, oh,
01:07:51
you're looking at a sign or oh, you're outside right now or inside right now. And so, it's constantly running, but
01:07:56
it's not recording. And so this article, I'm reading it now, it's saying like, oh, there's this super sensing feature,
01:08:02
which is again, it's not recording photos and videos, but it is always running so that it has the context of
01:08:08
what's going on when you're trying to ask it stuff when you're trying to engage with it.
01:08:12
>> Recording audio all the time and snapping photos every couple seconds. >> So this says in one proposed system,
01:08:19
which is this is all rumored, raw footage and audio would not be stored by meta or made available to the user.
01:08:24
Instead, the metadata from the audio and images would be extracted and that would
01:08:28
be uploaded to a server for AI to query. So, >> but that's still being recorded with the
01:08:33
camera on the thing, which is not a low resolution camera and still recording audio all of the time.
01:08:38
>> Yeah, but that never gets accessed by even the device itself. I guess it's just the metadata that gets access.
01:08:44
>> The metadata gets sent or pulled. But yeah, like what does that mean? extracting metadata from video and audio
01:08:50
and >> it needs to be stored at some point to extract that information. >> Yeah.
01:08:56
>> Yeah. But it can't all be stored. So I guess it's only uploading the metadata.
01:09:00
I don't know. >> You can't ask qu questions about metadata. There's no like it'll have
01:09:04
like it'll have your location, it'll have the lens, it'll have the battery life when when the thing got taken.
01:09:08
>> I mean it can make tags I guess if you looked at a sign, but >> this is me. Like why are we pretending
01:09:14
that they're not going to do the worst possible thing with this? Sooner or later this data someone's going to
01:09:19
discover you can buy people's memories from a data broker because they're obviously going to be selling this for
01:09:24
ad purposes and it's the whole thing's going to explode. Yeah, it's the same like I don't know if you guys remember
01:09:28
this is like five or six years ago. The New York Times did this experiment where
01:09:32
they started buying people in New York's commutes from data brokers because Google Maps was like tracking their
01:09:39
location, you know, and keeping like had a record of like, oh, their commute starts at this place and they go this is
01:09:44
where they work. And you could buy people's commutes by name from data brokers. And sooner or later you're
01:09:49
going to be able to buy people's meta glasses memories or whatever like like what
01:09:54
>> even in a sense like before that level like if they they're potentially training AI with this then they're
01:10:00
obviously going to be taking enough of a audio or picture sample to be able to train it. And the last time we saw them
01:10:06
train with AI is a bunch of people doing private things. The training AI is a bunch of people in a room
01:10:15
looking at all of the photos and recordings train like labeling them for AI to understand lately.
01:10:21
>> Yeah, >> it's, you know, I don't know. Obviously, all of this is rumored. Um, the Apple
01:10:28
AirPods one, I would think that they would only do it if you asked it specifically like what am I looking at?
01:10:34
What is that? If that I wasn't here for that, but AirPods one, if that's what they're doing, you should be just as
01:10:39
skeptical with them. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> If you have something constantly recording, you should be skeptical of
01:10:44
it. >> I don't know. Maybe don't put on your ears. >> I don't think we need cameras on.
01:10:48
>> I don't think we need cameras. >> I think when you're the thing that makes the smartphone so good is that you are
01:10:53
very intentionable intentional about everything you're doing and it's very obvious to other people the things that
01:10:59
you're doing most of the time. Even though like using a smartphone to take a photo is less in your face as using a
01:11:05
camera cuz it's very obvious you're just taking a picture and you can sneakily snap a photo with your smartphone.
01:11:10
Holding it up to do a thing people can see. Staring at your screen people can see. This is why like the meta glasses
01:11:16
with the with the screen inside is like a bad idea cuz nobody knows that you're just surfing Instagram, you know?
01:11:23
>> I think it's important that the people around you have an awareness of what you're doing with the technology in
01:11:28
front of you. And the more we try to hide this stuff, the worse it is for everybody's privacy.
01:11:34
>> So, >> yeah, they specifically said in their statement that we read last week that
01:11:39
like they need to be able for people to trust their products because, you know, this is a a product that people are
01:11:45
supposed to be wearing all the time. And the more people don't trust it, the more
01:11:48
it's going to get banned from different places and therefore like they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with
01:11:52
their own product. >> Yeah. And at this point, I don't see why these products don't get banned from uh
01:12:00
bathrooms, changing facilities, gyms, pools, like >> F1 paddics >> like they're going to get banned from so
01:12:08
many things that are part of your everyday life that these aren't going to be able to be things that you can have
01:12:12
on your person as an everyday accessory and they're going to shoot themselves in
01:12:16
the foot with it. Yeah, that's what's very hard about this is that the banning of these things is going to get more and
01:12:20
more difficult the more smart glasses companies start to exist, right? Like we have we had Meta first, but now we have
01:12:28
all of these smaller companies that are making smart glasses. Google's going to start making them. Apple's going to make
01:12:33
them. It's going to be very difficult for people to actually know what's smart glasses and what's not smart glasses.
01:12:38
>> I have to assume by the end of next year glasses with cameras in them will be
01:12:42
banned from public restrooms. >> You don't think so? from lobbying. >> Dude, no one is ever going to take care
01:12:49
of any of these tech companies, man. >> I think that's >> I think that might be a creepy enough
01:12:53
thing that I could see it. Well, I mean, it's going to happen whether it's a government ban or just most private
01:13:00
companies are allowed to ban it from their own public their own spaces. >> But the problem too is that some of
01:13:05
these like the metaw in particular have prescription lenses in them. So, they are the people's glasses, right? But but
01:13:10
that's at that point that's what shoots Meta in the foot is because >> it doesn't matter if it's prescription
01:13:16
glasses or not. If you're a facility that doesn't want recording in it like that, you ban it from it and then if you
01:13:21
either don't wear your glasses or you don't get to come in or you have to have another pair of prescription glasses,
01:13:26
which is annoying, >> which is really annoying. >> There's There's Dude, I I've straight up
01:13:31
gotten ads on Facebook like like recommended Facebook Marketplace listings for crystal meth. like there's
01:13:38
no there is nothing that can be done about about this, you know, like I I really believe we're at a point where
01:13:44
unless we have like some sort of radical change in the power structure of this country,
01:13:50
>> they're just going to do whatever they want, you know, and I can make all the
01:13:53
jokes I want about, you know, bender stealing or whatever, but you know, that's that's how I feel.
01:13:59
>> Yeah. >> I did look up the the Apple story from a couple weeks ago, which again, this is a
01:14:03
rumored thing, so we don't know if it's coming out or not, but it was infrared cameras. infrared. Yeah. Okay. So, it's
01:14:09
cameras. And people will say it's cameras, but >> there you go. >> Yep. It's still a camera. If it's a
01:14:14
camera, it's a camera. There are people that still put tape over their like webcams, you know, like
01:14:18
>> Yeah. >> Anytime there's a camera involved, >> computers that come with a physical
01:14:22
switch. >> So, like I think anytime you put a camera in your thing, people are going
01:14:26
to look at it with a skeptical eye. I mean, if you want to think if you want to believe all the companies, you should
01:14:31
even just be skeptical of it because if someone can somehow get into any of the things like most people do it for
01:14:36
webcams more because if someone gets into your network, you're worried people are seeing what's on your webcam.
01:14:41
There's a thousand reasons to be >> guys >> skeptical of it. >> What is a photo anyway?
01:14:47
>> Doesn't matter. The the other thing I saw in this, which is still a rumor, is
01:14:50
I guess they pulled up a statement from Meta a while ago that kind of breathed some information into what we talked
01:14:56
about before, but they claim that the reason they don't want it lighting up during AI instances versus recording
01:15:03
instances is then if it's lighting up all of the time, then people won't actually know when people are recording
01:15:09
actively versus the AI recording it and then become too accustomed to it that they won't actually know, which just one
01:15:17
two different color record two different color lights solved meta. I'll take my check. How long did that take? Go [ __ ]
01:15:22
yourself. But but yeah, it's like that's one of those things that like on the absolute baseline of it is like that
01:15:29
makes sense. And then you think about it for 5 seconds and you're like that's just all for your benefit and not for
01:15:33
the benefit of any of your users. So stupid, but uh so I can only assume always super sensing will not activate
01:15:42
the recording light because it would just be on all the time. And thus concludes our depressing meta coverage.
01:15:47
>> Whoa, whoa, wait. One more thing. Um, well, well, but wait, there's more. There is pot, they are also potentially
01:15:54
thinking if they would bring this into existing products already. So, like the current meta glasses
01:16:00
>> just getting >> if you assume this could be a software update, right? >> It's got all the stuff it needs for it
01:16:06
already. >> The coonus. >> Well, well, this concludes our depressive cover. >> It's really hot in this room right now.
01:16:13
You know, maybe that is raising our tempers a little bit. Maybe we'd feel more sympathetic.
01:16:17
>> This was a pretty stupid one. What did Marquez What was How did you >> How did you post this in Slack when it
01:16:22
happened? >> What? >> Oh, yeah. It was like, "Could Meta be more tonedeaf?" >> And then just posted an article that
01:16:28
just says, "Meta wants to make glasses that are recording all the time." >> Yeah. This is not new, by the way. Meta
01:16:32
wanted to put like that thing in your house. What was that called? That little screen that had a camera on the portal.
01:16:37
The portal. The Facebook portal. They wanted to put that in your house years ago. They've always wanted to put
01:16:41
cameras. >> I remember. Oh yeah. They were not allergic to cancer. >> Early into me working for you and you
01:16:46
were like, "We just got an ad opportunity and it's the most money we've ever been offered."
01:16:51
>> And and he sent it to me and I was like, "We can't do this." He's like, "Yeah, I
01:16:55
know we can't do this. It's It's Facebook camera in your house. We obviously can't do this." He's just like
01:17:01
just crazy. >> Yeah. So, >> they've had they've had the coonus for many years. >> Listen, I
01:17:06
>> Everyone wants a camera in your house. >> I love the Metag Glasses as a GoPro. the
01:17:11
moment that you're using them for anything else, just take them off. >> They're a way cooler GoPro for
01:17:15
>> It's like if you're snowboarding, sure, I want to see your first person like POV
01:17:19
video. That's super cool. If you're surfing, if you're doing anything extreme sports, but like if you're just
01:17:24
walking on your like daily commute to the train station, just wear regular glasses. It's fine.
01:17:29
>> Yeah, these are not meta glasses, by the way, >> just so you know. >> Sometimes they're shaped like metagasses
01:17:35
cuz metagasses are shaped like regular glasses and you kind of have to like >> do a double
01:17:39
>> let people know. Yes. >> I got got by the Oakleys on the train the other day. I was like, why are those
01:17:43
Oakleys so the metal ones? >> Yeah. And I was like cuz also like I don't know if I hadn't seen this before,
01:17:48
but the Oakleys I saw only had a camera on one side. >> No, they usually and they had a stud on
01:17:54
the other side. Like there was something port is that >> I was on the other side.
01:17:57
>> The Oakley ones have it in the center from what I remember. >> No, no, the Oakley running ones. The
01:18:02
normal Oakley ones are just like the ravens. >> Yeah. the the first Oakley ones that
01:18:05
came out are more like a pair of glasses that just look crazy >> and kind of cool at the same time. I
01:18:10
hate that. I kind of like them, but you're talking about the like Oakley running like pit viperesque uh from last
01:18:16
year. >> Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't those. It was a slightly more normal pair of >> If you saw someone with those just on
01:18:21
the subway, I I don't know if I would be worried about the camera or what this person's about to like launch out of the
01:18:27
subway on some record run that he's going on. >> Yeah, parkour. I heard run and his time
01:18:32
is going to be like 14 minutes a mile. I guarantee you it's everybody in Brooklyn. They wear their like shiny
01:18:38
rainbow glasses and their bandit running $100 shorts and they run like 14-minute
01:18:43
miles. >> Listen, 14-minute miles is better than no minute. Don't keep running. Don't gay
01:18:48
keep running. >> You're allowed to be bad at running and run >> and pay attention.
01:18:51
>> I run 14 mile 14-minute miles in, you know, a heavy cotton t-shirt and my 20.
01:18:57
That's what I'm saying. If Ellis can do it in that, you don't need those ugly glasses.
01:19:00
>> Yeah. But it's part of getting yourself invested. You can buy fancy golf clubs
01:19:03
and shoot 150 and no one's mad at you for getting the clubs. You're out there on the course with the rest of us.
01:19:08
>> 150 is really good though, right? That's high. >> It's quite bad. >> It's maybe unsustainably bad. You don't
01:19:15
want >> But it's okay. You're on the course. >> I don't shame anyone running or >> What does What does hit 150 mean?
01:19:21
>> Oh god. Uh in golf you play 18 holes. The object of the game is to have as few
01:19:27
strokes as possible. So there's par three. It's like swimming >> par fours and par fives. So like a
01:19:32
normal golf course, this is like a par 72 for the whole 18 holes. >> Does that mean you hit you hit the ball
01:19:38
72 times to get all 18 holes in >> for even par? Exactly. >> 150 sounds horrible.
01:19:42
>> So 150 is pretty bad. >> So best case scenario, you shoot a 18. >> What? >> Like 18 holes in
01:19:49
>> Oh, a hole in one on every hole. Oh yeah, >> that would be like the best score you
01:19:52
could possibly >> allegedly. I shouldn't even say 8.3 strokes per hole. >> I say it. No, I'm not going to say
01:19:59
>> I feel like I know what you're going >> about to call out someone for being bad
01:20:02
at golf. >> No, it's a it's a totally unrelated political statement. >> We won't even say it on the podcast is
01:20:10
>> speaking of political statements trivia. >> You know what else is unsustainably bad?
01:20:18
>> The state of the world. All right. So, we spoke about the Meta Glasses always recording just now for
01:20:23
the last half hour of my life. But it immediately made me think of a different AI camera that was constantly recording
01:20:30
that Google released in 2017. >> Oh, yeah. >> What was it called? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember this.
01:20:36
>> Do you know what's funny? Super sensing would be really great for Were you paying attention?
01:20:43
>> You remember how >> super sensing, >> Marquez? Remember how nobody was mad about the Google camera that was always
01:20:48
recording in your house? >> No one used it. Everyone >> Yeah. Wait, why was nobody mad about
01:20:52
that? Maybe they were >> because we were We were not. >> It was also just more like a dorky thing
01:20:57
that no one would buy. But the meta glasses already everywhere >> and it was like cute. You were supposed
01:21:02
to use it with your kids >> and it's only in your house. So you can't creep on people cuz it's only in
01:21:05
your house. >> Oh, that's a big thing. It was your call to like let >> It's you getting creeped on instead of
01:21:11
creeping on other people. >> By Google instead of creeping on other people. That's true. That's a big
01:21:13
difference. We realize I don't know what the product is cuz I thought it was something else.
01:21:17
>> But I also think that since then we have just been cursed with knowledge. >> We were willfully ignorant for a long
01:21:24
period of time. >> Many more motivations now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Money. >> Yeah.
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That's shopify.com/wwayform. Shopify.com/wwayform. Welcome back. So, for this last segment,
01:22:39
we are going to do a game. I am going to shout out uh one of my favorite podcasts
01:22:44
that I've been listening to recently. It's After the Whistle, which is a soccer podcast all about the World Cup.
01:22:49
And they have a segment at the end called Bits and Bobs where they talk about random little things that have
01:22:54
something to do with soccer. Maybe not, maybe it does. I thought it would be fun
01:22:57
for us to do it. And then as I was explaining it to everyone, they were like, "So, showand tell." And I was
01:23:02
like, "Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Okay. So, so show and tell. We're going to do show and tell. Who wants to go first?
01:23:07
I'm bringing in my trade secrets. >> I was gonna say I brought in secret apple parts.
01:23:12
>> Here's the blueprints for the restation icon. Um I >> So this is just stuff we've been like
01:23:18
enjoying recently. >> Enjoying things that you're excited about. Wait, can I read what you
01:23:22
described it as? And I can justify what what I brought. Perfect. Yeah. >> Marcus has a backpack that he won't let
01:23:27
any of us see what's inside. >> We have no idea what's in the bag. >> What's in the bag?
01:23:30
>> And also, David, you said something about you brought three things. >> I have like three things.
01:23:33
>> And I also have three things. Oh, >> you >> This is a pretty long episode already,
01:23:37
guys. >> I'll be quick. >> I'll I'm going to go first. >> They're all related. >> Okay, you go.
01:23:40
>> Oh my god. >> My thing is my birthday present from Adam and Alex. >> It is a VJ Edgecom rookie card.
01:23:50
>> Whoa. >> And also, >> he is a rookie still, right? >> A VJ Edgecom rookie card. And then eight
01:23:57
more identical VJ Edgecom rookie cards. And I keep them on my desk. All 10 of them.
01:24:02
>> That's cute. That's adorable. >> Is he a sixer? >> Alex bought something from That's a
01:24:08
sixer. >> That's dedication. >> That's true dedication. He's fired. >> Listen, game recognized game. BJ
01:24:13
Edgecomb is a baller. >> Has Alex ever heard of Joel Embiid? >> Yeah. >> So, none of my things are going to
01:24:22
actually one of them users or listeners might actually want to use. Um, okay. I'm going to do a couple. So, first one,
01:24:30
fairly recently, um I decided that I was going to mod my old n uh my old new Nintendo 3DS XL. So, I did significant
01:24:41
upgrades to it. There, funny enough, have been a lot of hardware advancements in the last um 20 years, whenever.
01:24:47
>> As long as you don't need to buy RAM. >> I didn't have to buy RAM for this. I did
01:24:50
buy a battery. They sell batteries now that have 3x the battery capacity of the original one, which is crazy. For the
01:24:58
3DSXL, the new 3DS XL, >> it was foretold. >> I have this beautiful um galaxy color. I
01:25:05
uh I remember I sold my original DS. It was the Ocarine of Time edition for it, which I regret because now
01:25:13
that's worth a lot of money. >> But um I homebrewed it, so now you can play practically anything on it. pretty
01:25:19
awesome >> that you legally >> legally purchased myself >> on the Nintendo store that doesn't exist
01:25:26
anymore. >> And uh yeah, I've just been I've been playing um a uh not a I've been playing
01:25:33
Legend of Zelda. >> Uh I don't know. It's the one after a link. It's the 3DS one that came out after
01:25:41
Link to the Past. >> Isn't it in Can you just pull it out of the thing and read it?
01:25:44
>> It No, it's on the It's software. >> Yeah. Worlds. A link between worlds. I think it's Fire Emblem is the cartridge
01:25:51
I have right now. Anyway, I've just been like, you know, on the little subway. Uh, that's been fun. So,
01:25:57
>> yeah, that's been fun. Other things for the Subway. >> That's a good one. I think I gave Ellis
01:26:02
or you my my 3DS or my DS, I forget. And I I kind of regret. >> I think took it. Yeah,
01:26:09
>> it was me. >> Okay. Other fun thing that you guys might have fun with. I bought this
01:26:16
recently. It only cost $50. So, this is called the XTE Inc. Uh, it is an e-reader that is
01:26:25
super super thin. >> Doesn't even have a backlight. There's a lot of problems with it, but but it is
01:26:32
very small. This is the X4. They also make the X3. What's cool with it is that it they give you these MagSafe rings
01:26:39
with it and you can stick the Mag Safe ring on the back and it is perfectly sized for the back of your phone. Oh,
01:26:46
>> so if you have like an iPhone air or an iPhone Pro Max, the XT, the three is fits on the regular Pro, the four fits
01:26:54
on the Pro Max. Um, yeah, it's pretty awesome. It just sticks to the back of your phone. And so then when you're on
01:26:59
the subway, you can either play A Link Between Worlds or you can just go on, flip your phone over, and suddenly you
01:27:05
have an e-reader. >> Can't you read on the front part of your phone? >> Shut up, Andrew. All right, last thing
01:27:12
really quickly. piece of software that I've been enjoying a lot recently. It is called Typora
01:27:18
and it's writing it's writing software. And you might find you might think that's boring. You might think that's
01:27:23
boring >> because it is. because it kind of is. But it's sort of just like very simplistic writing software that uh it
01:27:33
has like it has support for markdown and it's got all these different headings and paragraphs and it's like it's it's
01:27:39
got a lot more features than Google Docs and it lets you organize things better,
01:27:43
but it's so simplistic and it's so just like there is nothing else that I found that when I'm writing with it, I'm just
01:27:50
flying across >> the zone. I love those. When I'm on Google Docs, I get so distracted so
01:27:55
easily. The fact that I'm in a browser with tabs is like horrible. Um, there's way too many things on Google Docs that
01:28:02
don't work well, like image insertion is freaking horrible on Google Docs. >> Bill has that created AI in as the first
01:28:09
like clicking insert an image and then generating the first thing >> or even just downloading images that you
01:28:15
guys drop in the docs is the worst in Google Docs. >> Yeah. And honestly, just not having
01:28:20
other tabs available to me so I don't get distracted at all and just just thinking about what I'm writing. I've
01:28:26
really liked this app. It's um they have a twoe free trial and then it's like $15
01:28:30
once if you want to buy it outright. And to me, that's very much worth it. So, no
01:28:34
subscription, which is really nice. Uh Typora for Mac. I really like it. So, those are my three things.
01:28:39
>> Cool. >> That's nice. Andrew, what's your >> I have one pretty simple one, but I'm in
01:28:42
the middle of a podcast right now that I'm really enjoying. >> We are currently recording it. So, We
01:28:47
are in the middle of a podcast. >> No, Claire found this podcast on Reddit. It's from like 2019,
01:28:54
>> but it's about an actor who got hired for a role in Band of Brothers and then
01:29:01
Tom Hanks fired him after he already got hired because he saw his audition tape and said he has dead eyes. And so the
01:29:07
entire >> Don't you want that for a Band of Brothers? That's what every a lot of
01:29:11
people say that it's like awful World War II movie or no really good miniseries about World War II, but lots
01:29:17
of people in World War II are generally um but >> the whole thing is just him talking to
01:29:23
other people in the movie industry that he knows that might know Tom Hanks and trying to figure out
01:29:29
what this comment about dead eyes means to the point where he's cuz it's 20 years ago at this point that came out in
01:29:34
like 2000. If the last episode doesn't end with him asking Tom Hanks to his face.
01:29:40
>> I he the I'm on episode eight out of 10. So I'm getting really close to seeing if
01:29:46
that's the and I'm only assuming if people say this was a good podcast recommending that I'm hoping something
01:29:51
along that lines. He's tried to get in touch with the con the the uh what's it called? Why can't I think of the
01:29:57
screening director or the >> casting director >> casting director. Thank you. But she
01:30:01
didn't want to talk to him and now but a lot of the people he knows know Tom Hanks. So, I'm hoping Tom Hanks gets in
01:30:06
here somewhere so we can ask him about uh it's like four lines in one episode, but it happens to be episode five of
01:30:14
Band of Brothers. Tom Hanks directs even though he's in it already. Um, >> can I ask a question?
01:30:19
>> What is this podcast called? >> It's called Dead Eyes. >> Oh, okay. Say that.
01:30:24
>> Conor Radcliffe, I believe his name is. He's been in like a bunch of small things here and there. He's pretty
01:30:30
pretty He has like John Ham on it. There's a lot of very impressive people on it.
01:30:35
>> You mean Jonathan Hammon? >> Yes. >> Huge Bad Buddy fan. >> Yes. Huge. But yeah, I'm enjoying it. I
01:30:42
love these uh podcasts that are hyperfocused on something that's so trivial, but if you can make 10 episodes
01:30:49
out of it, it's like, well, now I'm just invested. Um, so stuff like that. >> I really enjoy. Yeah. Shout out to
01:30:56
Reply. Shout out. It's this is like cereal for something that doesn't matter at all or only matters to one person and
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it really affected their life 20 years ago and that's fascinating. So I'm excited to finish it. But if you need a
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quick podcast. >> Yeah. >> After you finish this one >> after after waveform and you subscribe
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>> once you've gotten through the whole season. >> Um what are yours? >> Mine mine. So,
01:31:25
>> what's in the bag? >> Yeah, I brought my I brought my bag here. So, my at the beginning of the new
01:31:30
year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill and I decided that that skill would be
01:31:39
juggling. So, >> the beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling balls.
01:31:45
>> How the H has none of us known this? >> How did I never hear about juggling at
01:31:50
work before? Is that what every day for the past 6 months I've been juggling at the end of every day. And what I can
01:31:57
report now is that I've gotten pretty good at juggling these exact three items. >> Okay.
01:32:05
>> Or items that are the same size and shape. So like three small oranges. I can juggle size things.
01:32:11
>> Uh I will I'll demo it for you. I would like >> the goal for this should be by next year
01:32:17
at any point when I'm at my desk I can just throw something to your desk and you start
01:32:22
>> way >> that was >> I now feel like I know nothing about it. >> That was pretty good.
01:32:26
>> What else are you hiding from us? >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> dude. Okay. >> Good for audio listeners honestly.
01:32:37
>> Audio listeners. >> Why? >> Uh I can I try? Yeah. I just thought it would be uh so Rufus can juggle. I was
01:32:45
like it looks like fun to be able to juggle, but I also kind of like a Rubik's cube. I wanted to be able to try
01:32:52
something that didn't have instructions. So like a Rubik's cube, it would be fun
01:32:55
to learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube, but it's basically just learning and memorizing a set of instructions. I
01:32:59
wanted it to be a little bit creative. Like there's different you see different types of juggling and like do different
01:33:04
patterns and stuff like that. Yeah, >> I think those still require instructions, but I've just been no
01:33:09
instructions. Just like >> throwing them up in the air and figuring it out for the past couple months.
01:33:14
>> So, >> Adam, you probably know the >> the brand. >> The the brand. >> What is the brand?
01:33:18
>> Duncan. >> Yep. They make yo-yos. >> Really good yo-yos. >> Duncan yo-yos when we were in like
01:33:23
fourth grade were >> What do you mean? I still have one. >> You still have a Duncan yo-yo?
01:33:27
>> You guys are into yo-yos? >> I'm hella into yo-yos. >> You guys are into yo-yos, too. I
01:33:31
remember so good at yo-yoing, >> dude. I could do a bunch of the I could do the >> do that too, baby.
01:33:36
>> How did this Do you want me to >> Wait, we should start a yo-yo core. >> Yeah,
01:33:40
>> I didn't know you guys were in the yo-yos. >> Marquez is still juggling. By the way,
01:33:43
>> this might be the oldest thing I've ever said, but when I was younger, I remember
01:33:47
going to the five and dime and looking for a Duncan yo-yo in my town. >> What's a What's a five and dime?
01:33:53
>> It's like a general store. >> I've never heard of five and you might not know that stuff right there.
01:33:58
>> There's a Dollar Tree here. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. But Five and Dime is older. >> Five and Dimes were you? Yeah.
01:34:04
>> Like that Prince >> Were they >> were they raspberry? >> Wait. I would like to remind everyone
01:34:09
that this was Marquez's first of three things. >> Oh, no. Sorry. These are all three
01:34:14
things. >> It was a punt. >> I was like, "What else have you been hiding?" >> Yeah. Sorry. That was it. That was the
01:34:20
three things. >> Juggle Sacks. Okay. So, what is your thing, >> Adam? >> My Thank you for remembering my name.
01:34:26
>> I couldn't remember. I was >> I blacked out. >> It's only been a decade. >> It's 150 degrees.
01:34:32
>> It is 150°. >> I'm cooking in here, dude. My brain is on fire. >> Uh, mine is just an audio book that
01:34:38
actually Andrew put me on to called Dungeon Crawler Carl. >> Oh. >> And I had I had mentioned to him a
01:34:44
couple weeks ago how I've been seeing this book everywhere and I don't really know what it's about. Everyone's talking
01:34:48
about it. Dungeon crawler Carl. It's like a whole series. And he was like he explained it to me in like two sentences
01:34:53
in a way that made me instantly intrigued. And he was like, "Oh, yeah." And the audiobook was pretty good, but I
01:34:58
stopped listening to it cuz blah blah blah blah. So, I was like, "Okay, maybe I'll just start listening to the
01:35:01
audiobook again." And the audiobook is more than pretty good. It is amazing. It is really good.
01:35:07
>> I just sometimes when like when my commute is too long, I find myself zoned out and then I've missed however many
01:35:14
minutes and then it's so hard to find where I miss. But >> it's what it is to be an adult.
01:35:18
>> Yeah. >> The reason it's everyone's talking about it is cuz they just announced a Netflix
01:35:23
version coming out. >> Oh, maybe that's what it is. Okay. Yeah. But it's really good. Great sound
01:35:26
effects, great direction. Uh the main actor, I forget his name. I'm terrible. But he acted his ass off. Like it was so
01:35:34
good. >> Yeah. >> Where do you listen to it? What What app do you listen to? >> Unfortunately, it is exclusive to a
01:35:39
Audible. >> So if you're if you're on Spotify, if you're on anything else, you have to
01:35:43
like pretty much get >> I wish Pocketcast had ebooks. There's also like eight books.
01:35:48
>> Yeah, there's audio books out, I believe. I don't know how many actual books there are. I'm not there yet. I'm
01:35:53
>> Dungeon Crawler Carl. >> Dungeon crawler Carl. >> Andrew, you want to give the synopsis
01:35:59
cuz you're the one that sold it to me. >> Sounds terrible. >> I mean, it's like this is exactly what
01:36:04
it sounds like. It's a dungeon crawler game in book format. It's like a guy asked to enter a dungeon with random NP
01:36:11
like >> that doesn't sound good at all. >> Bosses and things. It's I know it sounds
01:36:15
really silly, but it's pretty well done in the way they describe everything. Like they describe like he's walking and
01:36:22
question mark pops up and he clicks question mark to like find like instructions. The way they do it all is
01:36:28
really >> I've read the description so many times and I was just like this sounds dumb
01:36:32
listening to a D and D game >> basically. Yeah. It's like listening to a D and D game because I read it and I
01:36:37
was like yeah no not for me. And then when Andrew mentioned that he had been listening to it and he was like oh he
01:36:41
really liked it. I was like oh let me actually >> to be fair D and D is like all
01:36:44
imagination and just imagining things in your head. So, I guess an audio book would be good father.
01:36:49
>> This is And it's not just like you're not just listening to a book of a guy playing. It's like the world has turned
01:36:55
into this and the only people surviving have to go into like these dungeon gates
01:36:59
that open up and then you start dungeon crawling in the sense of like there's levels and bosses.
01:37:05
>> Jeff Hayes, that's the actor. Jeff Hayes, incredible voice actor. Kills it. >> Okay, cool. So, that was mine.
01:37:11
>> All right. I like this. I think we should be recommending things more often. We used to do that as an opening
01:37:17
segment. >> Yeah, >> we did. >> It was like a piece of content or a thing you wanted.
01:37:20
>> Oh, yeah. One thing >> we've done that >> way long ago. >> A while ago >> in the before times. Why are you guys
01:37:26
getting your uh boards ready? What do you think is coming up? >> I have a feeling uh we might want to
01:37:30
answer some trivia questions now. >> You have a pen? >> He's not wrong. >> How do the pens keep getting relocated?
01:37:38
Guys, what Japanese minist minimalist homegoods brand did Pete Laauo wants to be the tech
01:37:49
industry equivalent of? Hit it >> Japanese. >> I feel like this is more um what is the company
01:38:00
the like ROM the Android ROM that became uh Xiai. It feels like more like a like
01:38:05
Xiaomi would be more of this. You know >> why? >> Well, I can't give it away. Give it
01:38:10
away. Give it away. Give it away now. But I'll give it away later. >> I'm interested. Yeah. No, I OnePlus
01:38:16
never actually became anything close to even weird quote for 2014. >> I agree. >> All right.
01:38:24
>> Turn it around. >> Oh, >> Marquez, you put >> the >> Is that the Japanese flag?
01:38:29
>> Yep. >> The rising. >> It's not a bad artist ren rendering. I mean, it's not a difficult flag to draw.
01:38:35
>> Yeah, but it's red. Give me some credit. >> He has a black marker. >> Yeah, it's
01:38:38
>> Oh, I could have. >> It's monochrome. >> Damn it. >> You had the red marker, too. That's
01:38:43
>> That's Cut that. Cut that. >> All right, Andrew, you put >> uniclo. >> That's incorrect.
01:38:49
>> But David, you put >> Muji >> and Muji is the correct answer. I've >> never even heard of Muji.
01:38:53
>> You've never heard of >> You've never heard of Muji. >> I forgot you guys live in New Jersey.
01:38:58
>> What is that? >> They don't have Muji in New Jersey. >> I don't know. Muji rules.
01:39:02
>> We have that. Is it say this looks just like Uniglo? >> Yeah, kind of. >> No, but they they sell less clothes and
01:39:09
more other stuff. >> More like home. >> My my slippers that I >> It's like World Market Uniglow.
01:39:14
>> Yeah, but only Japan. >> No. And they make everything. They They don't sell any non Muji stuff.
01:39:19
>> There is a Muji in New Jersey. >> Oh, >> that's what I said. Literally never wamp. Uh the slippers I have there's one
01:39:25
in Williamsburg here. Um Muji rules. >> Muji rules. >> Uh I have a lot of their mixing bowls
01:39:30
and I own some Muji slippers. Their stuff is really cheap and very good >> and their pens. Yeah, their stationary
01:39:35
is really good. >> All right, so for the last question of this trivia season, are you guys ready?
01:39:42
>> These two are I have no idea what it is. >> I actually don't. >> I thought I knew what it was.
01:39:46
>> In 2017, Google released an AI camera. What was it called? >> I don't remember this at
01:39:53
>> I don't remember it name, though. >> Cuz you're not a king. Dang. >> I remember what it looked like. I
01:39:58
remember it sitting in the middle of your house and swiveling around and looking at you, but I don't remember the
01:40:02
name. >> It swivel. >> It moved. >> It did not swivel. >> Or is this No, sorry. I'm saying two
01:40:07
things. That's a different thing. >> But you are supposed to like put it on your mantle and just kind of leave it
01:40:11
there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Then I'm definitely wrong. >> Yeah. Whatever happened to mantels? You
01:40:16
never hear about people in their mantels anymore. >> Cuz we don't have homes. >> I got a great
01:40:20
>> You got a fireplace? >> Oh, I got a mantle. >> Damn. All right. Proven wrong once
01:40:24
again. >> Yeah. He juggles. He's got a mantle. You've got a mantle. I have a mantle.
01:40:28
You guys have a fireplace. >> This is my house. >> Yeah, I have a fireplace. We barely use
01:40:32
it cuz I'm afraid it's going to set the whole house, but it looks sick. And >> probably will split lane open one.
01:40:37
>> Fun fact, the house I grew up in had a fireplace, but no mantle. Anyway, we need to do the score because I'm hungry
01:40:44
and we have a game show to run >> and we have to show our >> flip him and read. What do you got?
01:40:50
>> Who wants to go first? >> That's what it was. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Think Marquez. Think. I wrote clicks,
01:40:56
but that wasn't it. >> That was not it. That's the communicator. >> Yeah. >> Uh Andrew, what do you read?
01:41:00
>> I wrote solely. >> So, >> I think that's a good guess. A camera that's on all the time,
01:41:04
>> but it was on a Pixel 4 XL. >> Yeah. And it sucked. >> That's true. >> There's a long video.
01:41:09
>> Tell us what it is, David. >> Okay. Google Clips. >> Correct. >> That's what it was. I was halfway there.
01:41:15
>> I stay winning. >> With that correct answer, the score is going into trivia. David with 35, Andrew
01:41:22
with 28, and Marquez with 32. >> Wow. >> I prefer to stay at 32. >> Adam, how old are you?
01:41:28
>> I'm >> none of these uh none of these scores are going to matter in the next in 90
01:41:35
minutes. >> We'll see. Can we call this the preseason? >> Wow. It's very sports of you. I know.
01:41:41
>> Except it's very sports of David because he's still getting it wrong because it
01:41:44
would be like regular season and we'd be going playoffs. Perfect. Perfectly wrong. Anyway, thanks for watching.
01:41:50
Thank you for listening. And of course, if you made it this far into the episode, comment
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01:42:16
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