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I'm pretty sure what they're doing is they are going to put it in all of Android like they always do.
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Sorry. Why would you Why would you airdrop it to the computer that runs the soundboard?
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Sorry. That's actually hilarious that that worked.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week we have AirDrop on Android. That's the news.
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That's the whole thing. That's all we're going to talk about for the next hour. Um, and then maybe we'll have some time
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at the end for some hot takes. But first, a quick PSA. If you are watching this on the Friday that this episode
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Sick. Normally, it's a million dollars, so this is a steal. Yeah. But Black Friday PSA, we have some
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Camel, camel, and Yeah, pretty much. Is this actually cheaper? Download Camel Camel Camel or
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some price tracker because it's probably not. Mhm. Um, do you actually need it or do you just want it because it's cheaper?
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And have you had your eye on something, but now you're trying to buy an alternative just because it's on sale. I think we've all gone down that path
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before. It's never worth it. Well, just yesterday I brought a kettle.
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What kind of kettle? A tea kettle. I be more specific. It was the alternate to the expensive
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one and it was on sale. Oh, yeah. Have you used it yet? Was it actually on sale? No. But it did
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have good probably fake reviews. Yeah, that's huge. I feel like every time I've like had my eyes on something
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and then its alternative goes on sale and then I buy that, I then wind up buying the other thing eventually
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because I was mad at the decision that I made on buying the thing on sale, which is then just more expensive than
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it was to do it in the first place. Yeah. Yeah. Just just take five minutes before you buy anything today if you actually need
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it because if it's $5 cheaper and you didn't buy it already, why are you buying it now? Why are you
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buying it now? Okay, so let's talk about airdrop on Android because this it finally happened. I I never thought this
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day would come, but apparently they've been working on this for a little bit. Yeah. Um the update is that last Thursday we
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got this random email from Google that was like a link to a blog post that was like, "Hey guys, by the way, we did it.
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We've made quick share on Android starting with Pixels, Pixel 10, compatible with AirDrop." And uh the
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quote here is well you actually ask Google how they did this and they give you a real answer because if you read the blog post it's
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they gave him edit said a thing that you can you can read for us because the blog post didn't
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really say how they did it. They just said that they did it. Yeah. Well okay. So they never actually announced how they did it. Um however
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there is some European Union stuff that RS Technica wrote an article about that is most likely how they did it.
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Okay. Uh so the digital markets act got put into place recently which forced
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Apple to adopt this new standard called Wi-Fi aware. So the way that Apple has done AirDrop
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in the past is that it has this uh protocol called Apple wireless direct direct link which is basically uses
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Bluetooth to find other devices sets up a little mini Wi-Fi network effectively between you and another iPhone but it's
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again it's a proprietary protocol. The European Union as part of the Digital Markets Act forced Apple to adopt this
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other standard that Google has actually had since Android 8.0, which is kind of crazy. And it forced
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Apple to actually put a bunch of the AirDrop extra little protocol stuff inside of the standard called Wi-Fi
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aware. So that was sneakily added to iOS 26. Apple obviously did not advertise that
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they switched over to Wi-Fi aware. Of course not. Obviously. Yeah. and nobody really made a big deal
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about it. I was reading that Google probably didn't make a big deal about it because Google has also been kind of
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trying to repeal the Digital Markets Act because of stuff that it is doing to them that they don't like.
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However, Wi-Fi is an open standard. So, Google, who has supported Wi-Fi aware
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for a very long time, basically just updated to the newest version of the standard, which includes Apple's little
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titty bits and um official term official term. And now you're able to
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quick share to iPhones. It's kind of weird because it still is called quick share on um Android and you can it's
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still airdrop on iOS. Yeah. The other kind of strange thing so crazy seeing Max in here
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now. Originally this RS Technica piece was speculating that it wasn't going to work on Macs. Uh but it does. So now you
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can effectively airdrop to any Apple device from Pixel 10. The thing that is
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interesting is right now it is only available on Pixel 10 series. A lot of people are upset about this
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because they were saying like, "Oh, well, is if Google is locking this to Pixel 10's for now, isn't that just as bad as Apple locking it to iPhones?" I'm
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pretty sure what they're doing is they are going to put it in all of Android like they always do.
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Sorry. Why would you Why would you airdrop it to the computer that runs the soundboard?
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Sorry. That's actually hilarious that that worked. So, it's on Pixel 10 series right now only. I think the reason that they're doing this is because Google
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kind of just dropped this out of nowhere. Assume Oh my god. It's the same one. No, I did the
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No, you Marquez did it. It's the pie. Oh, you Oh, I dropped it to you.
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Andrew just pixel dropped me a I'm so sorry. The Mountain Dew Baja Blast high.
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Oh my god. Okay. Well, I think the reason that they're doing this is because they, you know, own the Pixel
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10. They use the Pixel 10. They're not. They want to basically prod it on a wider variety of people, right? So,
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they're like, "Okay, we control the Pixel 10. We can take in the data logs if it fails for Pixel 10 devices. They
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don't want to push it to all Android phones because then that's too big of a swath of people." That's my assumption.
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Um, but I did ask Google when it happened because like you said, we got a random email on Thursday that was just
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casually like, "By the way guys, um, you can now you can now airdrop. Quick little update." And the quote that
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they gave me because I was like, did you work with Apple on this or did you do it solo? They said, "We accomplished this
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through our own implementation." Our implementation was thoroughly vetted by our own privacy and security teams and
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we also engaged a third party security firm to pentest the situ. Wow.
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Um, so I don't know. People were saying they're going to kill it by the weekend like they did with Beeper. Mhm. But this seems like it is just a
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standard that is that they cannot really get around. So yeah, it is. So now it's the update is
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out. If you have a Pixel 10, you can make sure you're fully updated and go in and open any file, anything you want to
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do sharing with, hit quick share, and you will see you got to switch it to everyone for 10
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minutes. Yeah. And you will see a bunch of uh a bunch of your Macs. Want to do a live demonstration? You
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want share something with me? Yeah. Let me go share. All right. We're doing it live.
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And then quick share. We did it live twice. I didn't send. Yeah, we And then I got to look for you. Is it
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David's M3 Max? David's PDA. Oh, let's see. I see Andrew's Mac,
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Marquez's Mac, Waveform's Mac. I'm just going to do David's. Yeah, you can send in my Mac if you want.
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All right. Yeah. Okay. Marquez would like to share a photo. AirDrop. Mhm. Saved downloads.
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Boom. And it's a photo of the sky that I took and the side of a building that Marquez
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took. It let me lose your phone before. And it's cool because it sends all the
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metadata and everything. Yeah, it's very good. It's awesome. Yeah. I don't see your phone for some reason. That's weird. But yeah, I see
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everybody's computer in here. Have we tried the other way around? Have you tried sending something to this pixel? I don't think you can do that.
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That's what I wanted to ask. No, you can. Uh Rich and I when this was going on Thursday spent like a solid 20
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minutes just sending each other things back and forth for no reason. So I have I'm airdropping right now.
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Oh, here we go. I just missed it. There it is. Except David's PDA is sending something to me.
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It's an image. Open. It's a Polaroid. It's a film photo.
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What do you think? What do you think about that photo, by the way? What do I think of this photo? Yeah. Looks pretty cool. Um,
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is it cooler because an iPhone sent it to you? That's a photo of of me um my dad carrying me.
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Is that Is that you in the the baby in the picture? Just kidding. I generated that with Nana Banana 3.
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Yikes. Yikes. Nana Banana Pro. Um, it's bad. It's bad that It's bad that this is too good.
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This is so good. It's It's a problem. Okay, so the misinformation is going to fly everywhere.
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We knew this was going to happen. Nano Nano Banana Pro. This is part of Gemini. It's their
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newest image generation tool, if you want to call it that, and you can just
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put your prompt in, it'll just generate an image. And it's it's like photorealistic images now
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and they're quite good. Yeah. What I noticed because people started tagging me
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Yeah. is if you ask it to generate a YouTube tech reviewer,
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somewhere around half the time it makes someone that looks exactly like me and
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it'll look like me and it'll say MKBHD on the thing. It's like making it's clearly trained on some sort of YouTube
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videos and has like a good sense of what this is. It trained on your YouTube videos. There's no denying,
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right? and it's Google, so it's like they probably can just decide to do that. But, uh, it seems to alternate
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between me and then like three or four other somewhat like I was going to say Tyler Stallmanish looking, sometimes
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Andrew looking, sometimes you like they'll look like slightly different characters we've seen in the YouTube universe before and then you'll ask it
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again for a YouTube reviewer and it's like, oh, okay, MKBHD, here it is. Yeah. Which I thought was uh interesting. This is why they did not flip out when
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ChatBT was doing it because they knew they were working on it, too. Yeah, I know. It's normally though in the in the past
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we've had to be like, "Oh, what is it stealing from tech?" Like remember when we first started seeing the little plant that all tech
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YouTubers use and we're like, "Okay, it's definitely using YouTube stuff." This is just It's just you. Some of the
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other ones maybe are a little bit of people, but this is just straight up you. The little profile says MKBHD.
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Yeah, it just says it. Yeah. Also only gives you 1.8 million subscribers. So nice. Uh disrespect you. Yeah. But like
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this is Yeah, this is messed up. Like there's no other way to say this,
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right? This is just What is the generative part of generative AI again? Also, it uses it
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uses the exact same wallpaper from the iPhone 16 Pro that it came with. Oh, yeah.
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It's I don't know. It just feels like I thought you were supposed to use a wide swath of data to generate something
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quote unquote new. Isn't that the argument? And like, sure, this is in a new scenario, but it's just Marquez.
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It's Yeah, it's generating me in different random various environments with a red camera, full logo, a Samsung
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Flip, an SM7B, which it's wrong about because you're using a It's the Ultra Voice is right here, guys. Come on.
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Yeah. Anyway, yeah, interesting. But Disney's going to sue them into the
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ground. Disney. Well, I'm waiting for that time. Yeah, I did. Um, I'm going to
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Disneyland. Um, this is relevant, I promise. Go on.
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I am going to Disneyland. Thank you. I know it's exciting. Cool. Uh, it's not. I've only been I've been there once before. Anyway, I'm going in
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late March just for one day before I do this California photography trip. And, uh, why' I bring that up? Oh, yeah.
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the profile photo the photo of our our group photo for the people I'm going with. I put a photo of all of us in Dana
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Banana Pro and I said make us all Mickey Mouse and it just did. So yeah, the copyright is um it's out
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the window. These companies do not care anymore. I think we're at the point where there is so much of this stuff
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that companies have just given up because they're like if we're going to win this race, we have to not care.
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Yeah. So don't ask for forgiveness and break things. Nobody's going to forgive you.
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Yeah, I promise you we will never forgive you. We will never forget. So,
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uh, what? Never mind. I just typed in MKBHD reviewing a horse and hit enter and it just made it.
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Your haircut is exactly the same. It's not even horse review. The ultimate workhorse.
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It's No, it's you, a horse, and an F1 car. It says MKBHD on the camera. It's me.
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It's my hair. It's the black sweaty sweatshirt. And it's It is a horse.
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It used to be like what things did it get right when most of it is wrong. And now it's like what things is it slightly getting wrong and it's not really
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getting anything wrong. Yeah. Wow. We just we just stealing now folks.
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We are just stealing. Uh just a couple days later, I think only like two days later, Anthropic did release their new
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bestest model, uh Opus 4.5, which
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is apparently extremely good at software engineering and coding. It probably will not make an image of Marquez reviewing
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an iPhone 16 Pro. I don't think I don't think Claude can generate images at all. Wow. Yeah, they've not given
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That's good because there is no utility to generating images besides scream people over. So, uh, yeah. I mean, sometimes it's from
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for the meme. Like when I like when I made that fake Poly Market thing for you, David, that was pretty good, right?
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But you generated that. You generated that when I was making Poly Market stuff. I was photoshopping
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it like a real man. No, no, I went to I went to I just Googled fake Poly Market generator
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and then I got I got a good result. So, yeah, no AI, but still fake. I'm just going to stop. So, Cloud 4.5 will code really well.
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Yeah, that's great. That's great. are are people who code I've actually seen two versions of this.
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I've seen I've seen two versions. I've seen one version where people who code are using this out of it and like loving it and
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then I've seen one version where they're like, "Oh, this kind of just better than me yet." I'm trying to think of how we could
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respond to this as non-coders that wouldn't make everyone mad at us. And I it's kind of in the same way that like
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when we see uh Sora making a video and people go, "Oh, are YouTubers cooked?"
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It's like, well, it's not that good yet. And that's probably mostly true about a lot of these tools is like it's a good
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brainstorming tool. It's a good foundational like base before you actually build more on top of it, sure,
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but it's not taking your job yet, but the trajectory is there. If I had to say the safest statement possible, it would
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be, I bet you most good coders know how to use it as a tool to help them, but
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it's not going to replace them. Sure. Yeah. There we talked about last week uh Google Anti-gravity which is something
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they launched with Gemini 3 which is just an IDE that you can code in and it can do almost all of it for you.
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So you just sort of tell it what you want and then it'll give it'll make a checklist. It'll say these are the things I want to work on. Here's what I
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did. Do you approve? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it'll just code you an app. Like I I coded Pina Collocator with it.
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That's sort of my my benchmark that I've started using. my friends that are like in the industry and software engineers
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and stuff, they've basically been using these tools to do all the grunt work and
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then what's more important for them now in their current roles is like the system design of it all. So they're like trying to figure out which services plug
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into what, but the actual like coding the API you just or like running the unit test, you just have like an AI do
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that. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. And with the acceleration that we're at right now,
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you know, the Will Smith eating spaghetti video was not that long ago. Dang. Wait, I should. It's much better now.
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Soon they'll be like making whole Coca-Cola commercials with it or something. Yeah. See what she did there.
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Will Smith eating spaghetti. Sorry, this is I'm doing a Gemini banana thing. I I just tried to and it said I I can
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help with pictures of people, but I can't depict some public figures. Is there anyone else you'd like to try? And I said MKBHD and then it just did.
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It just made them. So what why don't I got it? Why did it just steal my license?
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That's like that's such a good burn. It's just like he ain't no public figure. That's just
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It did Will Smith for me. What? It did Will Smith for me. Wow. So maybe it has no
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literally also said Will Smith 8 spaghetti. It just didn't let me do it. Wow. Shout out to Will Smith. Um, DJI is
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possibly getting banned in the United States on December 23rd unless the US government completes a security audit,
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which will most likely not happen. Um, under the FY25 NDAA, the Federal
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Year 25 National Defense Authorization Act, unless the audit is done, it will DJI will automatically be added to the
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FCC's covered list, which uh would effectively banned new DJI products from entering the US.
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New ones? Yes. Uh, but they also probably would not be able to sell within the United States either.
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And so this at first I was like, hasn't this happened 20 times? But that was only for drones, right?
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Sorry. So we try to run a show here and be professional and you guys just
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I'm usually mine's muted. Yeah, I was muted and I unmuted it so that I could I thought one of you texted me. I was I
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was like, why does this keep happening? Okay. Um, I keep thinking this has happened already, but the differentiator
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here is this is just all DJI products and previously was just drones, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, that is kind of like they do sell a
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lot more stuff now. The Osmo is extremely popular. So, good Osmo. So, this is like actually I mean, yeah,
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people are going to lose good product from this. And you have a question in here. Yeah. So, I'm wondering if this includes
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Hosablon. I don't think it will, but I think that DJI is terrified of the US
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government realizing they own Hassablad. H uh Oh, yeah. Cuz don't they do a lot of scientific
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imaging and glass stuff, too? Like, are they a NASA supplier? I do not have
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Zeiss is like all over the place. Probably Zeiss. Um but yeah, I'm interesting. I'm curious about that. So, we'll see.
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Considering it's over the holidays that the government would have to do this audit, I don't think they're going to. And they've been talking about banning
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DJI forever. So, I think they're just going to get banned. So, if there's any hot DJI Black Friday
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sales, gobble them up here. Now, honestly, if you want, forget everything I said before and buy
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all DJI products. Yeah. So, that's that's fun. They will go the way of Huawei. I guess
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your X2D Mark II is way cooler now cuz it's contraband as well as a sick because I don't have the one I bought
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yet. I just have the one. You still don't have the one you bought? That's December now apparently. I hope it's before December.
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Before the 23rd. Really iffy. Really dicey on that one. Yeah, I have a review unit as of right now.
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Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um they sent me one to check out finally. And uh Yeah. Really dang good.
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Do you want to talk about how great it is? It's just sick. It's so good. It's truly
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an incredible. And do you have the 35 to 100 lens as well or no? Okay. Yeah. That combo
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is like Yeah. Did I give my hot take on primes yet? Did I say that here? So many times.
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Okay, perfect. This is a great opportunity to run that back. I would I love that this is a good zoom. I would I
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am so happy that this is like the opposite direction of like Hasselblaz in the past, which is,
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you know, fun, very deliberate, one shot at a time. Yeah. But it really removes like a big
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fun element of using cameras, which is just in the- moment shooting uh street
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shoots, random things that happen that you weren't expecting to shoot. And having a zoom and having that camera
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actually like autofocus well. Yeah. Opens up a whole new possibility of of things you can shoot with it. And it's
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great. For me, the big things are like the UI is so good. It's so fast. Um it has a
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terabyte of storage built into the camera. You could just connect it to your computer and transfer all the files
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really quickly. So good. Yeah, it's it's a pretty incredible camera. It's Yeah.
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How are we not at a point where a terabyte of storage is in literally my remote should have a terabyte of storage
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built into it? I Yeah. What's the hold up here? I'm kind of surprised that more cameras. I mean, that's the funny thing too about
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the Hasselblad is it doesn't it doesn't even shoot video at all. So, you kind of already know what's the file size you're going to get from
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whatever people start to shoot with it. So, yeah, terabyte is plenty for photos. It's like 36 megapixels per photo though. Yeah.
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I mean, um, megabytes. But if it was a camera that's capable of video, then maybe you'd be not as sure.
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But like also, just like iPads, just like iPads, I can buy a terabyte one if I want or I can buy a lesser storage one
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if I want. They should just have an A7 with a terabyte built in or an A7 with four terabytes built in for the guy
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who wants to just shoot all the videos internal and it's fast enough to shoot whatever the highest bit rate 4K video
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that it shoots. Should just that should just be a product that exists. Yeah, you're welcome. Very few camera companies are doing
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this. Like Leica in the regular M11 had 64 gigs, which is not that much when you shoot 60 megapixel photos. The M11P has
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256 gigs, which is much better. But basically, no manufacturers are doing this. Um, and I don't know if it's
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they're just terrified that eventually the internal NAND will break and they have to like get it replaced or
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something. I mean, it still has an SD card slot, right? Yeah. I guess they would still have to repair it, but but consider the Rico GR4 has 53 GB
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of internal memory. So I guess everyone's moving over to it cuz the GR4 is like brand new. So
00:22:03
the X100 6 does not right now. Canon Sony Yeah. doing it. Yeah, we have an idea for a bonus camera
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episode coming up. Oh, hopefully next month. Okay. But we'll see. All right. Oh, right. Yeah.
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No spoilers. I'll keep shooting though in the meantime. I love the camera. Well, potentially rip DJI. One last thing.
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Poor one out. Um, that I wanted to mention real quick. Threads just added the ability to add
00:22:26
podcast embeds to your profile. This is true. This is good. This is good
00:22:32
for us. It is good for us. It's a very random update. Um, but now if you have a podcast or you just want to, I guess,
00:22:38
advertise a podcast that you like this one. Yeah. You You don't have to verify that you're the one that does that. Yeah. You can just do it.
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You can just link it anywhere. Yeah. So, you can link a specific episode. You can also link an entire podcast. My one uh big down like big
00:22:51
annoyance with this is that you have to pick between Spotify, iHeart Radio, or
00:22:56
Apple Podcasts. Wait, like when you click on it or when you add it to your profile, when you add it to your profile.
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Oh, it's not an RSS. Oh, no. Yes. This is very annoying because podcasts specifically are transferred
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over RSS. And that is this open really simple syndication. You don't have to deal with any of
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those. You should just be able to add the RSS link and then it opens whatever podcast player you use because I use
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Pocketcast. A lot of our listeners use Pocketcast. I do too. Yeah. And and also, you know, Spotify is
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basically the only multiplatform one because literally nobody uses iHeart Radio. Why do they even add iHeart Radio? This
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is just like the most threads way of implementing this. Like it's open. But
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not really. Yeah. And this is not on Instagram. Just threads. Just threads. I wish it could be on Instagram. So then
00:23:45
all the people who steal all our content could we could at least be like, "Yeah, put the link in your description so we
00:23:50
get some actual views out of it." Yeah. So I don't know. It's a feature. Um instead of focusing on this, I would
00:23:57
really love if you just completed your Fedverse integration, which you have not done.
00:24:02
Or let us do like anything like it would be cool to also put a YouTube channel there. I I would like that. That's true. Yeah. Great point.
00:24:08
Yeah. Anyway, trivia.
00:24:15
The edit on this is going to be wild. What do you want us to say, Adam? When I wrote this trivia question, or
00:24:22
when I wrote my first trivia question, I realized I had written the exact same Black Friday trivia question that I had
00:24:27
written last year. Um, so we've officially been doing this so long that I uh it all blends
00:24:34
together. But I have a new question, a banger, because I am finally looking
00:24:40
into and get this, retiring the 12 mini.
00:24:45
Oh, I've heard this before. It's And so I was like, "Guys, Black Friday is coming up. I should be able to
00:24:51
get a cheap iPhone." Turns out you can't. Uh, all of the iPhone Black
00:24:57
Friday deals are frankly pitiful unless you sign up for like an $100 a month Verizon contract. Um, but they weren't
00:25:05
always this bad. And in researching this trivia question, I found a Black Friday
00:25:10
deal from 1994 from a retailer that doesn't exist anymore for the cheapest iPhone.
00:25:17
From a retailer that doesn't exist anymore called Compusa that was offering this, get ready, guys.
00:25:22
Are you ready? an Apple Perform 630 CD with a 14in color CRT monitor and an HP
00:25:32
inkjet printer for how much in $194. That's like a lot of things.
00:25:38
That's a lot of things. That's many things bundled together. And if you know what I'll be I'll be kind if you can give this to me in $194
00:25:45
or you can give it to me in September 2025 because that's the last uh that's
00:25:51
the last month we have inflation data for. Do we have to signify which one we're guessing? Yes.
00:25:57
Oh, trying to pull a fast one on me. Maybe Pixel 10 is on sale right now.
00:26:02
$200 off. Oh, and I guess I could finally air the most Pixel thing ever on Google. I think if I I think what I
00:26:10
saw was from Apple, if you spend like $1,200 on the iPhone 17 Pro, they will
00:26:17
give you a $75 gift card after the fact. That is
00:26:22
nice. AirPods 4 are $70 right now. All right. Well, we'll think about this
00:26:29
one. Answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right back.
00:26:41
All right, welcome back. For more depressing content, we go to Ellis today. Um, there are
00:26:47
Hey, I'm the sad guy. There was a big thing that came out against Meta again for the 1 millionth
00:26:52
time, but this one's even more depressing than usual. So, Ellis is going to break this down for us. So, the one that Yeah. So, this this
00:26:57
happens every now and then like like there's a leak or whatever and we find out that people at Meta
00:27:04
uh uh I'm trying to choose my words very carefully allegedly. No, it's not that. No, that's the thing is they find out
00:27:09
they they do care and they're powerless to stop it to stop the not caring of other people
00:27:15
at the company. Um people as they say long story short, there is a law firm called Mly Rice. They are suing all the
00:27:23
big social media companies. I think it's four of them. I might forget which four, but Meta is one of them. Tik Tok is another. I think it's Meta, Tik Tok,
00:27:29
Snapchat, one other one. I don't know. The important thing is that uh as as
00:27:34
they're doing on behalf of school districts alleging that these products are really addicting for kids and
00:27:41
obviously they are and uh and the companies knew that they were addicting and decided not to act on that
00:27:49
information. Um so what happened is there's a bunch of filings, a bunch of discovery. I'm not like a legal person.
00:27:55
And a lot of these documents and pieces of evidence got unsealed. So, we got to
00:28:01
see a bunch of internal communications and deposition uh uh transcripts and
00:28:07
other stuff from this court case that was really illuminating. And before you go read this stuff yourself, just know
00:28:13
there's some like unfortunately some like kind of dark stuff in here that like that we don't really want to talk
00:28:18
about on Waveform. It involves like kids being hurt. It's like not what we're interested in. But there were some
00:28:24
really funny quotes by Meta employees that I did really really want to share
00:28:30
uh with a little bit of context. And before I share these quotes, I feel obligated to say that Meta has already
00:28:37
responded to this. And Meta said, and I'm going to read the exact Meta spokesperson quote. We
00:28:43
strongly disagree with these allegations which rely on cherrypicked quotes and misinformed opinions in an attempt to
00:28:49
present a deliberately misleading picture. The full record will show that for over a decade, we've listened to
00:28:55
parents, researched issues that mattered most, and made real changes to protect teens.
00:29:00
Most of this filing was from an investigation in 2020, right? Um, it's an ongoing court case that has
00:29:07
been going on for years. Some of these depositions were from as old as 2021, I
00:29:14
want to say. Um, I don't know when these DMs came out, but they are uh
00:29:20
investigating things that happened at Meta as far back as 2017. Cool. I believe.
00:29:26
Um, so there's some things that, you know, are pretty easy to understand that
00:29:31
we I think we've all heard about before. For example, um there was an internal study at Meta called Project Mercury
00:29:37
that was uh Meta hired the company Neielson that does media research to investigate what the psychological
00:29:43
effects of quitting Meta products, specifically Facebook were on users. The
00:29:49
results were resoundingly people were happier, less anxious, less lonely, lived better lives and they quit
00:29:55
Facebook. And Meta just sort of killed the entire uh project and made sure and hid all the findings. And their reason
00:30:01
was like, oh, you know, like there's so much there's this narrative in the media that meta products are bad. And so, um,
00:30:08
you know, if you're going to quit Facebook, of course you're going to feel better because everyone already believes that meta products are bad, which is a
00:30:13
crazy argument to make in my opinion, but, you know, it sort of, I guess, works. Um, then there were a bunch of
00:30:20
stuff that came out of metastafers sort of being like, this Neielson study really does show that, you know, people
00:30:27
are happy. There's an impact on social comparison. Yeah. Unhappy face emoji was the exact
00:30:32
uh yeah, there's an impact on on social comparison. Unhappy face emoji was the uh the thing. Another meta staffer
00:30:38
wrote, "This is like the tobacco industry doing research and knowing sigs are bad and then keeping that info to
00:30:44
themselves." That is an exact quote. Um another user experience researcher wrote, "Oh my gosh, y'all, IG is a drug.
00:30:52
We are basically pushers." Which is crazy thing to write about the company that you work for. Um, another UX
00:30:59
researcher was recommending that Meta release this info to the public and wrote, "Because our product exploits
00:31:05
weaknesses in the human psychology to promote product engagement and time spent, we need to alert people to the
00:31:12
effect that the product has on their brain, but we still give it out." But we still did not. Um, it is worth
00:31:19
noting that Meta does not study addiction. They only study problematic use. Um, I don't know exactly what that
00:31:27
means, but what they did consider problematic use is I guess up to
00:31:32
someone. So, another thing, I don't know if you remember, so uh does anyone remember
00:31:37
what I don't I I didn't know this code name, but uh something called Project Daisy where Instagram hid like counts.
00:31:44
Mhm. Yeah, they I was one of the accounts selected to beta test that and none of my friends were and I sounded like a crazy person
00:31:51
being like, "There's no likes on Instagram anymore. This is really weird." Um, and the goal of that was to try to
00:31:58
make teens feel better because teens were sort of being encouraged to compare themselves to
00:32:04
others, which is, you know, not easy when you're a teenager. Um, and that got killed because it, you know, affected
00:32:10
engagement and growth and time spent in the app. Um, and one of the quotes that
00:32:15
came out, I can't even, this one is so crazy. One of the quotes that came out was someone on the growth team
00:32:21
insisting, and this is an exact quote. It's a social comparison app.
00:32:26
get used to it. Incredible. Um, incredible care for your children. Um,
00:32:31
here's here's another crazy thing that came out as this. Uh, and I'm just going to read this is from Time magazine. I'm
00:32:37
just going to read this exactly as Time wrote it. Um, Meta used location data to
00:32:42
push notifications to students in what they called school blasts, presumably as
00:32:48
part of an attempt to increase youth engagement during the school day. As one employee allegedly put it, "One of the
00:32:55
things we need to optimize for is sneaking a look at your phone under your desk in the middle of chemistry." smiley
00:33:02
face. Um, just fantastic stuff right here. Time has a great article on it.
00:33:08
Reuters has a great article on it. Um, and if you're not okay, that's fine because just know I to me and I'm going
00:33:14
to wrap up this very sad story like this. Uh, I feel like there's this narrative that Meta has been pushing
00:33:22
that time spent in app is not the most important metric to their business.
00:33:28
They've said this sort of roundabout ways that they they value other things. And to me, all of these leaks indicate
00:33:36
that that does not seem to be the case. that time spent is still the most important way Meta makes money off of
00:33:43
their products, which I it's that every company is time spent on
00:33:50
app because more time spent on app equals more time to sell you things. No, but here's the thing. I'm actually going
00:33:55
to push back on that narrative a little bit because of how big and I cannot believe I'm like I don't
00:34:02
want to sound like I'm defending Tik Tok, but the Tik Tok shop really does change that for that platform. I can't remember
00:34:09
where I read this, but I've read a bunch a bunch of different articles about how the Tik Tok shop is so huge globally
00:34:16
that they're able to make money off of that and they don't the ads part of Tik Tok is not as big a part of their
00:34:23
business in the same way meta is structured. Yeah, but if you're on Tik Tok for longer, you can get more things on the Tik Tok shop
00:34:29
and make more money. I I need to find this research. It it was really it was really clear that while they do want you to stay on TikTok for a
00:34:35
long time, what they more prioritize is you sending products to your friend,
00:34:41
engaging with products, and not just being on the app all day. Whereas in this meta thing, we found out like where
00:34:48
what time are kids not on the app? Oh, in class. Like we should optimize the app to get them on the app in class. Um,
00:34:55
yeah. I I guess last thing I'll push back on that as being one of the main
00:35:01
functions of Tik Tok is when you're kind of done and you hit back to exit the app, it refreshes the feed and tries to
00:35:08
hook you on another like ultimately all of that boils down to like they might prioritize this specific
00:35:13
way of making money, but in all of those ways, this is probably why Meta Meta says we're not our primary goal isn't
00:35:19
time spent on app, but it's like they have a primary goal that they put. The way that goal gets hit better in every
00:35:26
single scenario possible is more time spent on the app. I think it's just
00:35:32
logical. Same with YouTube to an extent. Same with everything. Same with this podcast probably like
00:35:38
more time spent. I mean I know you want to spend more time with us cuz we but like
00:35:44
but we will say conclusively if you're in class right now turn
00:35:49
off the podcast. You got plenty of dishes at home. Yeah, chill. We'll be there later.
00:35:56
Dish Podcast. Anyway, uh like I said, Meta refutes these claims. They claim they're they're
00:36:01
cherrypicked. Uh this is ongoing litigation. This is all alleged. Um but
00:36:06
I thought it was pretty crazy and I wanted to talk about it this week. Can I talk about a crazy more
00:36:12
light-hearted article headline I read today? Yeah, this is from PC World and I just
00:36:18
thought, this is very short, but I thought it was too funny. and it says ramp prices are so out of control stores are selling it at market prices. So
00:36:25
basically as a seafood lover like this is crazy. It's so so a store in California called
00:36:32
Central Computers and people have also seen something similar like this at micro centers but they're essentially
00:36:37
not pricing RAM at stores right now because of how much the prices are
00:36:43
fluctuating. They have to just put up signs that basically say ask a sales associate or just bring it to the
00:36:49
counter and find out. Catch of the day. Yeah. Like we RAM is seafood right now
00:36:54
because of farm to table. Straight. Compute to table is not cheap these
00:37:01
days. But um I this this just gave me a good laugh laugh. It just says like due to a global
00:37:07
shortage of memory chips, RAM and related components have recently seen an increase in 20 to 50%. They're fluctuating daily. Um, because of this,
00:37:14
we can't display fixed prices on certain products at this time. Didn't, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't
00:37:20
Wendy's experiment with this? Oh, they did. Um, did Wendy's experiment with dynamic pricing?
00:37:26
Yeah, I think so. They they basically did like peak pricing. Yeah. First they came for our baconators.
00:37:33
It is interesting in certain in certain commodities we uh like gasoline is like
00:37:39
we are okay with market pricing in certain cases but when it's certain
00:37:44
things it it seems ridiculous that it's market pricing like obviously if you're also this is like I'm pretty sure
00:37:49
there's a small company like central computers is probably small enough that they don't have a ton of supply and like a very reliable like inventory supply
00:37:57
they probably have to do something like this where if you're Best Buy or whatever and you have a ton
00:38:02
of of suppliers and you can sort of account for that. You probably aren't doing this ridiculous like market
00:38:07
pricing thing and you can eat some of the dips in profit. But yeah, it is fascinating.
00:38:12
I feel like they could just price it to a certain like price it a certain amount
00:38:17
higher than they buy it for though, right? Couldn't they just do that? It does seem like Central Computers is a pretty local chain to the Bay Area and
00:38:24
so yeah, they probably don't have scale on their side and they're at the whim of their distributor. I bet. Yeah, I bet that's one is like it coming in and with
00:38:31
not just like demand but also potentially tariffs. I'm sure this could be changing literally by how much they
00:38:36
pay for it. And also if you everyone loves scalping these days. I I don't
00:38:41
know why Gary Vee, but like everyone loves to just buy stuff and sell it for more expensive because heaven forbid anyone gets a deal. So like if they sell
00:38:49
this at a normal price, I'm sure someone will come in, buy everything, and then just go resell it and make the money
00:38:54
anyways. I I'm sorry. Sorry. I hate scalping. So, me too. I I think it's You brought up a
00:39:00
really interesting point, Marquez, cuz like if I'm like if we're talking about like oysters, you know, something
00:39:08
milk. No, no, I want to do oysters because oysters are something that have like such a short shelf life like like you
00:39:15
you you are eating them intrinsically like within a week or two after they came out of the ground. You know, you can't you can't stockpile oysters. You
00:39:22
know, that's something I'm okay with being market price. A Baconator, which was
00:39:27
clearly made three and a half years ago and stored in some underground. I like how you could have used the RAM
00:39:33
example. We have it right here, but you're like, RAM RAM gets Don't we get a new DDR
00:39:38
number like every year or something like that? I would argue that DDR5 plus Ultramax. I
00:39:45
anyone on on Twitter if you know uh what is made sooner or like what has what
00:39:50
spends longer in storage before being sold? Baconators or sticks of RAM?
00:39:56
Wendy's is fresh or frozen? Is that their whole thing?
00:40:01
They probably keep it at 33° F. It's not frozen. Frozen.
00:40:06
It's not frozen. It's I'm not touching you. Never frozen. Never frozen. That's funny. Yeah, we were thinking we
00:40:14
got a fun game coming up in the next segment. So, why don't we do like a little teaser? Let's do one of them. Yeah. Before we actually get into it.
00:40:21
Yeah. So, this is our Tech Hot Takes um game. Yeah. Marquez is doing his Tech Hot
00:40:27
Takes video this week. I think it's a lot of fun. It's super fun. We do it like once a year at this point, but Harper and I
00:40:33
just collected way too many. You usually do like five or seven. Harper and I probably grabbed like 50, so I figured
00:40:39
why not bring some over to the pod. Yeah. Let's let us talk about it and whine for
00:40:44
a little bit. Um and you can enjoy our whining. I sold it, right? Yeah. So, we're going to we're going to
00:40:50
evaluate these takes and see if they're hot or not and if they're good or not and if we agree with them.
00:40:55
If we agree or not. So, you want to do the first one? Which? Pick one. Pick which one you like the most. Let's go top to bottom. Let's go first.
00:41:02
All right. First hot take from Gregory McFaten. Apple Vision Pro is still the most
00:41:08
exciting tech product released in the last five years. Okay. So,
00:41:15
disagree. Well, that's what makes it hot is it's very easy to disagree with.
00:41:22
But let's go with if you do agree, how would you justify it? Apple Vision Pro is the most exciting.
00:41:28
I'll try and justify it semianecotally. Yeah. Look at our It's already the most
00:41:34
viewed video on the MKBHD channel. That's a fact. Yeah. Which means there's maybe the most It's maybe the most interesting. It has
00:41:40
the most interest. I think exciting is the key word here. Like I think this is not most successful. This is not most useful.
00:41:48
This is not necessarily totally gamechanging, but in terms of excite the
00:41:54
internet, okay, it's hard to argue against it. I have a slight counterpoint that we could maybe talk about. Apple M Apple M
00:42:02
series chips, right? M1. That is exciting. Past five years.
00:42:08
It is the past five years because it came out in 2020. Yeah. Yeah. It came out in 2020. So, you know, I feel like
00:42:13
that the M series chips Apple silicon is the
00:42:18
most like it's a lot of in there. I mean, it is
00:42:23
exciting. It's a lot of superlatives. It's it's probably their best product. is probably their most impactful, most improved
00:42:30
product. Yeah, it's probably their most powerful product. How many Tik Tockers were making M5 M
00:42:36
series videos when it came out when the Vision Pro was like the only thing on in
00:42:42
like broken outside of the tech space on Tik Tok when it came out? I know, man. I like I as someone who is
00:42:47
like y'all are in in our niche right now. I was getting completely throttled by uh the the last in generation of Intel
00:42:55
MacBook Pros and I remember when they announced that that M1 MacBook Pro, dude, it was like
00:43:00
define exciting. It was like every single thing you've ever wanted. Yeah.
00:43:06
I don't think any of us are disagreeing. I think in smaller I think to your point in smaller communities there are more
00:43:12
exciting products but if you want to go by total like mass like I'm trying to think of a product that came out in the
00:43:18
last 5 years that's new that more people know about and know exists like our
00:43:24
parents all know about VR headsets now like all every you probably don't know
00:43:29
anyone who's been sentient for the last 5 years who hasn't heard of the Apple Vision Pro where I think even some of
00:43:36
the most popular and and best products from the last five years aren't quite on
00:43:41
that level, which is crazy to say. So, I think this might be a valid hot take. I'm trying to think of a more exciting
00:43:47
tech product to the masses that actually hit Gemini right now. Most people that bought a MacBook in the
00:43:54
last 5 years, GBT don't know what chip is inside. Chad GBT did come out in 2022.
00:44:00
Chachbt is a tech product. Yeah. Um, is it exciting to people? Kind of.
00:44:05
That's true. knows what I'm about to say. Controversial mother bird buddy.
00:44:13
True. Oh, so Gemini says that chat GPT is the most exciting new product.
00:44:19
Gemini said that. That's hilarious. That's really funny. It said that the most exciting hardware product is the Steam Deck.
00:44:26
That's not even You shouldn't have said that because it doesn't help your first point by being
00:44:32
that wrong the second time. Number three says Apple Silicon. Okay. Number four it says Apple Vision Pro.
00:44:39
Uhhuh. Um number five it says the matur maturation of foldable phones.
00:44:45
Foldable some people. Yeah. Is that that exciting? So it's a summary verdict. Most transformative Chad GBT. Most fun Steam
00:44:52
Deck. The Steam Deck I think might give Apple Vision Pro a run for its money. I feel like so many people are excitement in
00:45:00
total generated excitement for humanity. I thought gamers were like so but that's you're keep you I feel like
00:45:06
you guys keep saying like this is so cool in this niche right here that goes against everything
00:45:11
I would argue I would argue outside of the tech bubble like like if you just go up to random people on the street and
00:45:16
you said Apple Vision Pro they'd be like oh that stupid useless thing that nobody has
00:45:21
and you know what and you say and what about the Steam Deck and they'd be like the be like no no no a regular person would be like the Steam
00:45:28
Deck a regular person plays video games a regular regular person does not care about a $4,000 VR headset.
00:45:35
A regular person knows about that headset and is like Steam Deck is that Xbox or PlayStation?
00:45:40
No, I'm pushing back on that. I think I I don't think you I don't I think you Google search trends. I just did Google
00:45:46
search trends. Um Apple Vision Pro is about 3x the search volume of
00:45:52
I don't think there's a single metric. Maybe I'm wrong. Although, look at this. Look at this. Wow. This actually shows how badly
00:45:58
Vision Pro failed. So, when Vision Pro first came out, screenshot this, it was stupidly popular,
00:46:04
but it died immediately and had no search volume until the M5
00:46:10
version came out. Oh, no. No. Is that No, no, that's announcement and release. Announcement and release. While the M5
00:46:15
version didn't even make register the RT at all. So, they like the search volume for like
00:46:21
a week was 3x what Steam Deck has ever been. However, Steam Deck has continual
00:46:27
interest over time. much much higher than Vision Pro. I take 18 Steam Decks before I would buy
00:46:33
a Vision Pro. I think it's way better of a price. You sound pretty excited. It says Oh, it does say average. Steam
00:46:39
Deck is way more popular than Ninja Pro. That's what it says over time. I guess that's one metric. I'm just
00:46:44
trying to think. I'm trying to quantify this as total excitement generated for humanity
00:46:50
and like how many that's a combination of total exposure and total excitement per person that sees it. By that
00:46:57
definition, then I would go chat GBT over the Apple Vision Pro.
00:47:02
Yeah, because it just has hundreds of millions of people. The whole economy is moving on right now.
00:47:08
I think that's it. That's actually probably the real answer. I want to think of it. I guess I I definitely thought more gadget physical
00:47:15
gadget exciting means by uh Oxford languages causing great enthusiasm and eagerness.
00:47:22
in this essay. I will I wouldn't say that Vision Pro causes enthusiasm.
00:47:28
Um but it eagerness maybe eagerness in a cheaper version like there's a there's Yeah. Yeah, it is
00:47:35
definitely interesting. An exciting breakthrough. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely
00:47:40
I think it's got to be Chad GBT. Chad GBT is probably the correct actual answer. But Greg, that's a good hot
00:47:47
take. It's a good hot take. Yeah. All right, we'll take a quick break. We're going to have way more hot takes after the break. But that of course
00:47:53
means we have time for one more trivia question. It's trivia. It's trivia.
00:48:01
Before I pass it to my coworker Adam, I just want to say someone posted in the MKBHD subreddit. I feel like Ellis would
00:48:07
like this video and it got zero up votes. I just want you to know that I watched
00:48:13
it and I did like it. Wow. I don't have a Reddit account so I think it's it's about AI overview. It was
00:48:20
about AI overview and it might have also been about hot dogs. It was like two of my interest.
00:48:25
All you can eat buffet. That was it. It was an all you can eat buffet. It was not that far off. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, man, I feel
00:48:31
seen. Thank you. Nice. Okay.
00:48:36
Sorry, I'm watching it right now. The AI overview is it's they searched all you
00:48:42
can eat buffet near me. The overview says you can use online search engines like Google.
00:48:48
Can you? I don't know. I guess. I guess you can't. All right. So, before the podcast,
00:48:55
before we sat down to record, David and I were talking about Aluminum OS, which is Google's new pro project to bring
00:49:02
Android and like desktop computers. Chrome OS. Chrome OS. Thank you. Um, but we're not
00:49:07
going to talk about that this week because it's just a rumor. So, it's not a rumor. They have a job listing for It's a job listing. Who knows if it'll
00:49:12
ever come out. Like, projects get cancelceled all the time. There's also a job listing for the Tesla Roadster. That's true. Is it really?
00:49:18
Yeah. Got him. Shouldn't they have that done by now? That's what I'm saying. You're just now
00:49:24
hiring. You should be firing people after it's done. Yeah. Uh, so I forget why David made a joke at
00:49:32
my expense and I was like, "Okay, every question on today's trivia will be about aluminum." Aluminium. Aluminium. So, this question is about
00:49:39
aluminium. A that's not it. But, but nice. 42 electrons.
00:49:44
Close. What is the atomic number of aluminum? 42. Can I ask a follow-up question?
00:49:50
Depends what it is. What is an atomic number? It's how many electrons it has. Protons weight of protons.
00:49:56
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Protons. Which actually is also the electrons. The electron number. Unless it's an ion.
00:50:01
Yeah. Exactly. You knew that. You know, like it's a little number on the little box.
00:50:08
Yeah. You know about like the periodic table. Okay. You've seen Breaking Bad, right?
00:50:14
All right. All right. Well, we'll think about that one, too. We'll be right back.
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back. We got some more hot takes to talk about that didn't quite make it into the MKBHD video, but that are still hot takes that were sent to me when I asked
00:51:31
for them. Next up, we can talk about this one from Hey Pollock on Threads,
00:51:36
who says, "Userdefined customization makes everything worse."
00:51:43
I picked some of these because they're like, man, I want to agree with you so bad, but I feel like I
00:51:49
I think there's I think there are definitely two sides to this camp. There are people who look at whenever Apple
00:51:56
allows you to customize your home screen more, everyone's home screens get uglier. You've noticed that? Yes. Like they used to all look the same
00:52:02
and they looked fine. Like whatever. They also the options they give you are horrible. They give you like tinting now. They
00:52:08
give you like the ability to put the icons everywhere. They give you widgets. They start to let you do more stuff. And I've seen some of the worst home screens
00:52:15
in the history of the iPhone in the last 2 years. So there's a valid argument for this. But also it gives you the ability
00:52:22
to make everything better. It's hard to ever want to take things away from the user. But I also agree
00:52:29
that sometimes I'm like that's yucky and I don't like it. Be cringe. Be free. That's all. Look,
00:52:35
makes everything worse. It makes everything look worse. Absolutely. Yeah. But I would I would argue that it makes
00:52:41
it better. Could you make the argument tried liquid glass? Oh, yeah. It's terrible. You can't use it.
00:52:47
That's not user. But it's not customization. It's not They don't OS. The only thing I customize is do you
00:52:53
want it glossy or do you want it like kind of not that glossy? Yeah, you could change like when you do customization make like the glass where they're all
00:52:58
see-through and everything like you can't even tell what the icons are. That's from Apple. I wouldn't say that's userdefined.
00:53:04
Yeah, I think I think they're talking about that's like Apple's I think they're talking about like Android. No,
00:53:10
we're talking about like you get to pick cuz you're saying basically that Apple's direction is good.
00:53:15
No, it's horrible. Well, that's what I was saying. But the further you stray from a defined uh
00:53:21
aesthetic, the the more even worse you can make it. That's a good point. If the base is bad
00:53:27
and then you let people color on top of already bad, the floor is lower. Yes, exactly. The
00:53:33
floor drops out from underneath. Yeah. And like the ceiling gets a little higher cuz you can make it a little better. But like how many times have you
00:53:39
looked at someone else's home screen on their phone and been like, "Uh, I'm happy." Every time I look at Andrew's phone,
00:53:45
what? Maybe hot take, but like we need
00:53:50
ugo stuff, you know? We need stuff to be ugly. You can't appreciate the beauty if you
00:53:55
don't know what the And also, damn. Then why are you hating on lab boooos all the time? Cuz they're ugly.
00:54:02
Oh my god. This is why, okay, I honestly think this was the best one out of everything because it's just like
00:54:09
it is the perfect amount of argumentative like labubus are not userdefined.
00:54:14
The boomers were defined by a designer who had awful taste. But like, okay, think of think of think
00:54:20
of a croc, right? A croc is just a blank horrible looking shoe.
00:54:25
Yeah. Right. If you couldn't add anything to a croc, it would just be like, wow, another ugly shoe. Whatever.
00:54:31
Yeah. But then you open up user customization to it. Yeah. How many Crocs do you think look better
00:54:36
after customization or look objectively worse after you customize them? They all look worse. Have you seen the
00:54:42
Squidward? They are personal. A that's and that's exactly what this is. It's user customized and it's
00:54:47
personal and that one person will feel it's better and everyone else will go we don't talk about who cares about my croc.
00:54:54
I don't care what you think about my crop. Kind of applies. You can tell everyone on this podcast is form over function
00:55:01
because there's so many people create like it's pretty obvious that all the userdefined stuff even though people
00:55:07
make what we subjectively think is ugly probably works really well for them. And
00:55:12
I shouldn't be putting them down. But here we are on a podcast saying
00:55:17
just look at the screen one more time. Is that really what you want people to see? You don't see it. You see it.
00:55:23
You know what else? What other user customization we need to get rid of? Car wraps.
00:55:28
No. Highly disagree. I don't I don't know. Marquez. Highly disagree. Especially cuz when the Cybertruck came out and they all just
00:55:34
look like a dumpster refrigerator, you definitely had a higher ceiling from being able to wrap that.
00:55:40
floor of course went down. No, the floor went down. I admit it. No, I have. I've seen lots of like gray and
00:55:47
black and like other regular colored trucks that look better than the stainless steel dumpster that it looks
00:55:52
like without the wrap. But how is that different than the iPhone tennis ball phone? Well, like putting a case on your phone,
00:55:58
you're saying? No. No. Remember during the when they announced the customization, they were like, "If you love tennis balls so much,
00:56:04
you can make your own tennis ball just like human beings do."
00:56:10
Yeah. Well, it's funny cuz it wasn't if you like it was if the photo of your dog likes tennis balls so much.
00:56:15
Is that what it was? It was It took the color from a dog with a tennis ball in its mouth and it made them all
00:56:20
and it made them all yellow, which I kind of It looked horrible. Pretty hilarious. Um, great. You It made them all lemon cello. I
00:56:27
think this is a great take because you can probably we can probably all agree that userdefined customization always
00:56:34
makes the floor lower. Yes. Mhm. And sometimes it also makes the ceiling higher. But because the floor always
00:56:40
goes lower, you can say it's just worse. But I'm also happy for the people living in the basement. Yeah. Do do what you want. Do what you
00:56:46
want. Can we all agree that this is a great take because we kind of agree with it but would never ever want people to lose
00:56:54
customization. I can't publicly endorse. I will never like I will pretty funny. Yeah. I especially as like a kid like an
00:57:00
electronic needed to be customizable for me to enjoy using it. Otherwise, we're all probably sitting here today because we probably customized too close
00:57:07
to the sun. You know how much they've taken from us? You know how much they've taken from us? Do you know I'm sure like at least 40%
00:57:14
of the people listening to this podcast right now got yelled at by their dad because they changed the cursor on their
00:57:20
home PC and gave the computer a virus. 100%. That's right. Yeah, that hourglass theme
00:57:27
on Windows XP went so hard. Okay, that's a good one. Well, we got another one from threads.
00:57:33
Okay, from JD Wy. A lot of these are threads because all the ones on Twitter were just like
00:57:38
crypto is not at its full potential. Yeah, dumpster. I made the mistake of asking people to
00:57:44
upvote their favorites, which I thought would make like the hottest takes go to the top. It actually made the coldest
00:57:50
takes go to the top because it had the most people agreeing with it. Oh, yeah. So you had you had to kind of dig a little bit in threads. There was
00:57:56
plenty of like ask on Reddit and then sort by controversial. Exactly. That's the hottest that's the real way to get
00:58:01
the real way to get it. Okay. So this person on threads says, "I don't get why people are so upset that
00:58:08
tech companies no longer ship chargers in the box. You do not need to get a new one with every new product. I still have
00:58:14
and use the USBC charger from my Nexus 6P. What are you all doing with your old
00:58:19
chargers?" Yeah, agree. 100% agree. Okay, so this is hot.
00:58:25
Hard disagree. 100% agree with that. Hard disagree. This is hot because at least to me,
00:58:31
charging has gotten way better in the last few years and you need the new charger to take advantage.
00:58:36
The companies that are like the 100 watt phones give you a 100 watt charger. Agreed. They do. Well, not even that. The new iPhone new
00:58:43
new watts up to 45 now. Yeah. If you have the old charger, what's what are you going to do?
00:58:48
That's actually valid. I think the ones that have changed the most in charging still include the charger and the ones
00:58:53
that have changed the least in charging are like nh you can use your old 6B charger and be fine. Actually that's that's true.
00:58:59
Yeah. Damn. This I agree. This is one of those ones where like agree I agree with this. It's one of where a
00:59:06
company can make a statement saying this is like for the environment and e-waste which I agree with but I also think the
00:59:12
alternative motive is it's make it's more money for them. And so like I want
00:59:17
to agree with it without giving them the credit of thinking this is some spinning it. Yeah. Like some gift to us. I
00:59:24
Yeah. I think every new phone should not come with the charger but should have a
00:59:29
redeemable code. So if you really need the charger and if you need it enough you'll go out of your way to order it or
00:59:36
go to a store and get it, you should be able to get it for free. And then that eliminates all of this
00:59:41
debate of if I ran a phone company that's what I would do. You know what Apple would say? They'd say, "We'd have to ship the
00:59:47
charger in a box to you." And you know how much waste that causes? You know how much pollution that creates?
00:59:52
But it's for those who need it. You know, Tim Cook, I know you're trying to optimize your your pallet sizes by
00:59:58
shrinking the size of the phone box, but like only 5% of people are going to order that charger. It's going to be great.
01:00:03
I love that with the new Apple Watch, they were like, "We can add 50% more Apple Watches per shipment." And it's
01:00:09
like, so you're saying that's for the environment, but you're just saying we can sell more app, we can save more
01:00:15
money. I I think it's kind of interesting that uh when you buy music gear or a lot of audio gear, it they never come with any
01:00:23
ca like obviously they'll come with power cables, but there's no if it has like USBC power.
01:00:28
No, no, no. Not even like like if you buy like an audio interface, it won't come with mic cables. Or if you buy a microphone, it'll never come with a mic
01:00:34
cable. You know what I mean? You're like that you're like expected to buy that stuff inside. And the reason I say that is because I was thinking about the most
01:00:41
mad I've ever gotten unboxing a tech product and it was when I spent over $1,000 on my Blackmagic Ultra Studio 4K
01:00:48
and it didn't come with a Thunderbolt cable that holy. Oh, you bought a
01:00:54
Blackmagic Ultra Studio 4K. So similarly, I was having issues with my Apollo Twin with the old Thunderbolt 2
01:01:01
at home, and I finally upgraded, and I spent $900 on an Apollo Twin with the new
01:01:07
Thunderbolt, and I opened it, and there was no Thunderbolt cable in it. And I was like, "Thank God I have a
01:01:13
Thunderbolt cable right now." And Thunderbolt cables are expensive. It made me so mad, dude. I Yeah, but then it's funny. It's
01:01:19
like, I've never bought a mic and been like, "Why no XLR cable?" Frankly, I wouldn't trust a including
01:01:25
I feel I think that's exactly where the distinction is though because there are certain products that are expected to work out of the box
01:01:31
and there are certain products where everyone buying them is expected to customize it to their liking in some way
01:01:38
and you let them like a microphone if you're buying a nice expensive XLR microphone that's the exact type of
01:01:45
person who knows which USB which XLR cable which preamp any of their brands they like
01:01:50
or in length like in length If I get an SM7B and it comes with a threeft cable, it's like
01:01:56
there's a 90% chance that cable is now a waste. Did the Game Boy I'm going to push back because since XLR
01:02:03
cables have uh jack and pin or pin and hole different like you can daisy chain
01:02:09
them together. So would you is that what you would do if you then needed to buy a longer cable
01:02:15
afterwards cuz like we we have daisy chain cables in here. Yeah, but never mind. Yeah, sure. If and if you're getting mad
01:02:21
at me about grounding or whatever, then you know that you know that you know for this question. Did the Game Boy
01:02:28
Color come with come with batteries like AA batteries or cuz a lot of products
01:02:34
that you buy that take batteries which is not that many because most of them are rechargeable now come with like generic, you know, Amazon
01:02:42
brand or whatever. That's fine though cuz that's expected to work out of the box. Well, if it didn't come with batteries though in
01:02:48
like 1995 or 2000, I agree that people shouldn't be upset about not getting a
01:02:54
charger. But I do think if you're buying a peripheral, a $1,000 plus peripheral and it doesn't come with a Thunderbolt
01:02:59
cable. Yeah, that's different. That's That's We all have a million chargers, but we don't all have a million Thunderbolt cables.
01:03:05
Fair enough. So, still be mad but still be mad at all the companies for pretending. My mom has one charger. Jess, my fiance,
01:03:13
has one charger. We have 600. Regular people do not just have chargers lying
01:03:18
around. Like they take them with them from place to place. But regular people
01:03:23
in the US Mhm. generally because of how carrier systems work upgrade their phone every two
01:03:28
years. So in the life cycle, even in an Apple life cycle right now, most people
01:03:34
have a USBC charger already. Yeah. So like you I I would argue regular
01:03:40
people have a USBC cable and one counterpoint. Yeah. And that's all you need. I I could not find a lightning cable in
01:03:47
this office this morning. That's cuz I threw them all out. Really? Why would we lightning cables?
01:03:53
The trackpads. Uh Oh, yeah. I'll throw those out, too. Also, also
01:04:00
me and Max. That's lightning. Oh, yeah. Damn. Um, all right. I would say that I agree with it. I'm
01:04:05
not sure that it's super hot, but I do agree with it. I think it's fair. Yeah. All right. Another take from Ross Han_1
01:04:12
on threads. We don't need a third camera in phones 90% of the time. Disagree.
01:04:19
First of all, I think it's a cop out to say 90%. I think you got to own this hot take and be like, we don't need a third camera. But okay, he says we don't need
01:04:26
a third camera 90% of the time. Why do you disagree? Cuz sometimes I need long, sometimes I need wide, sometimes I need regular.
01:04:33
90% of the time. Do you need all three? Yeah, I think so. Marquez, commit on your
01:04:38
Yeah, I think I agree with this take on Yeah, Mr. Zoom lens. I would say the 90% is pretty accurate.
01:04:44
I was I I also recently, by the time you watch this, was working on my what's on my phone video, and I'm a two-phone
01:04:51
person. On my right pocket, I have my main phone. It's an Android phone. And on my left pocket, I have my secondary phone. It's an iPhone. And for months,
01:04:59
I've been trying to make the iPhone Air my secondary phone. Really, months I've been trying to do
01:05:05
this. And the two things that always hold it back are the camera and the battery. I can overcome the battery
01:05:11
because I'm maning the other phone. I can't overcome the lack of an ultrawide
01:05:16
and a telephoto. I just can't. It's impossible. And the OnePlus 15 I'm maning also has a pretty
01:05:22
bad camera. So, I'm just good cameras. And it's just too much for me. You're apparently not alone because the reason that they are shifting production
01:05:29
away from the iPhone Air is because the lack of the second camera is making people not want to buy it. Yeah. I think more than the battery.
01:05:35
Wait, I thought you got nine cameras with the iPhone Air. You got the equivalent of 27 focal
01:05:42
length cameras. All anecdotally fight back. Mhm. I was so excited that the Pixel 10 reg
01:05:48
the base versions have three cameras now. Mhm. Cuz they haven't. Every time I take a
01:05:54
zoom or an ultra wide picture, I hate it. Yeah. I mean, it's bad. It's just so bad.
01:06:00
But if you didn't have those cameras, wouldn't you be more mad? I think I would be upset that I don't have them because I wouldn't be able to
01:06:07
take the picture and then realize I'm never going to use that for anything or really look at it. Every time you zoom and it's like, dang,
01:06:13
this is not that good of a zoom photo. If you didn't have that zoom camera and you zoomed, it would be an even worse
01:06:18
zoom photo and you'd be more mad. Unless you give me a good zoom lens because you got rid of the third lens.
01:06:24
So, you just want two. Just give me two. Three. Yeah, I'll I'll need an ultra wide is just for fun.
01:06:30
You know what's funny? There's like a generation where I think that totally changed. I saw a I think it was an
01:06:36
Instagram reel, but it was probably a Tik Tok where there's a a kid holding his phone and then there's a photographer who's doing like this
01:06:41
really high-end sports photography. I saw that too. And the kid goes, "Yo, switch it to 0.5x." And the guy 70 to 200 and he's
01:06:47
like, "No, I can't. What are you talking about?" And he's like, "Man, there's no five. This thing sucks." And he's like, "This is I can't I can't talk to you." I
01:06:55
mean, if he was at 140 mil and he could just switch it to 70 and say it was.5.
01:07:02
Yeah, I like the ultra wide. It is a fun lens. But as far as like the one that I need
01:07:07
every day, I need a regular lens just to like quick take a take a picture and then I need a good zoom lens so you can
01:07:13
see things from far away. Even if it's not a good picture, just like for memory. Yeah. As a tool, like I need the lens.
01:07:18
In my opinion, the.5x is the wor the most pointless camera.
01:07:24
I I have two very I have two specific thoughts. I think anytime I'm trying to
01:07:29
take a good photo, I definitely get them out of the zoom way more than the ultra wide.
01:07:35
But anytime I'm trying to like functionally like take an ultra wide because it I need it for this photo.
01:07:40
It's never about the quality of the photo, but I that's when I need an ultra wide. I can't fake an ultra wide like I
01:07:46
can with a zoom, right? So, yeah. Ultra wide is objectively hilarious on the iPhone.
01:07:51
It is bad. I want them to make a point 2 camera. Like, like why stop? Yeah.
01:07:57
Put it just put an Insta 360 360 camera. Yeah. 360 cam. Yeah. So, anyway, all right. I think
01:08:03
this is a reasonable take. It's not particularly hot. I think we all kind of agree with it. But if they had gone all
01:08:08
in and said we don't need three cameras, that would have been pretty spicy.
01:08:13
True. All right, next take. Dennis on threads says wireless charging
01:08:19
is overrated. You still on that? I can't believe we still talking about this cuz it's right cuz it's correct.
01:08:25
It's not right. Wireless char is incredible. It's awesome. It's overrated is the specific quote.
01:08:30
I don't think anyone underrated. I agree with you. Yeah, I will defend this take. I love losing heat. You'll defend me.
01:08:37
I recently I love I love overheating spending 45 watts to get 27. I love
01:08:43
I recently received as part of my employment at this job a channel channel
01:08:49
sponsor channel partner ridge portable battery bank which because of my phone never leaves
01:08:56
my side. In fact, it is it is it is glombmed on to the side of my phone like a raora.
01:09:03
Nice. Um, I just love that your iPhone mini has to live with something twice the size of it
01:09:10
all the time. It literally looks like a barnacle. It's so funny. Um, that being said, now that
01:09:16
I'm charging my phone all the time, I have seen how inefficient wireless
01:09:21
charging is because I can either choose the uh the wireless charger or the the
01:09:28
built-in lightning cable. Yeah. And uh I thought I was like, "Oh, yeah. That's just like a little less efficient, you know. No, no. It is like
01:09:34
like I can I can It's the difference between I'm going to get these numbers wrong, but it feels like the difference between being able to charge my phone
01:09:41
twice like dead to full on the um the wireless
01:09:47
versus like six or seven times with the lightning cable. And I It's like now it got to the point
01:09:53
where I actually feel bad when I charge my phone wirelessly like that because I'm like I'm just I'm wasting this
01:09:59
battery. I'm wasting this lithium. I'm wasting electricity. Yeah. I'll counterpoint two things to that.
01:10:04
Yes. One, your phoneing sucks. Like, why are we comparing it to a phone
01:10:10
that dies four times in a single day? That of course it's not going to be beneficial for that.
01:10:17
Two, I don't think anyone is wireless charging for efficiency. It's it just
01:10:22
becomes the placeholder on a desk or a nightstand. It is a thing to just rest a
01:10:28
phone on and happens to be charging and at any point I can just pick it up or put it down without having to undo a
01:10:34
wire that is now hanging on my desk or nightstand falls underneath the bed, falls behind and all my cables like
01:10:40
like I have one of those mats on my desk at home that has the wireless charger built in and like while I'm working at
01:10:45
my computer, I just have my phone on it and it just happens to be charging it. Otherwise, it would just be sitting there, right?
01:10:51
Mhm. And yes, I could like I guess get a cable and do that. God forbid. This is my thing. This is my
01:10:57
other thing that Ellis didn't say, but the most Sorry, I'm amped up about this
01:11:03
one. I think it comes from like four trivia extravaganzas ago where it was like what's things you need in a phone
01:11:10
and wireless charging wasn't on it. And I'm still salty about it, but everyone's always like it just takes one
01:11:16
second to plug a phone. It's like we are in the tech space where literally every single thing we do is to shave
01:11:22
milliseconds off of things. I'm sure the person saying you can just plug it in also bought uh 5090 so they can play old
01:11:29
school Runescape. Like we are at a level of I I am also the person that said recently that the best product Apple has
01:11:36
released in the last 5 years uh no standby mode which is part of Mag Safe
01:11:42
which is yeah which is a wireless charging feature. So I get that I'm being a little hypocritical here but
01:11:48
I I think overrated is acceptable. I just don't think that many people rate it.
01:11:54
I think a lot of people underrate it. People like to hate on it. I overrate the out of it. Maybe, but
01:12:00
I think people rate it because when a phone comes out that doesn't have wireless charging, it's like a knock on. That's the main thing. I think I'm
01:12:07
hypothesizing that this person who is saying wireless charging is overrated does not have or use wireless charging.
01:12:14
And I think once you have the convenience of wireless charging and then you get rid of it, then you're like, "Ah, I actually really like
01:12:20
wireless charging." But if you never have wireless charging, you look over at the other side of the fence and you're like, "Just plug it in, bro. It's
01:12:26
overrated." That's my hypothesis about this. Yeah. Anyway, on my bedside table, I love when
01:12:32
I officially stop doom scrolling and go to sleep 4 hours after I was meant to.
01:12:37
I can just like lean over and drop it and then fall asleep instead of like, "Where's the wire? It's over here." All
01:12:42
right. No. Well, you need the magnets to line up. Yeah, but it's Mag Safe, so just slap them. That's That's why Mags Safe is awesome
01:12:48
because then you never have the How do they work? Takes me away. When I put this phone on the charger, I go
01:12:55
I mean that there is a case, right, that has uh chi ready.
01:13:02
Yeah, it's a thing. It's a It's And your house shakes a little bit. Yeah. And then I wake up and it's 50%.
01:13:08
Dang it. That is old. If that was the case, then yeah, maybe it's overrated. Fair enough.
01:13:14
All right. All right. This one might age some of us a little bit. Uh, onceu
01:13:22
on threads says AI is just Silicon Valley's Laboo. I don't even know what that's supposed
01:13:28
to mean. It's a weird new sentence that I saying last sentence.
01:13:33
AI is just Silicon Valley's labu. Can someone explain what a labu is in likely little doll? It's Do you know
01:13:40
what PopMart is? No. Okay. So, PopMart is this company in China that sells toys that are primarily
01:13:47
delivered via blind boxes. So, you buy a box and you don't know which one it is.
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Laboo. And it's it's very big in China. It's very big all over Asia. Korea, right? I don't think
01:13:57
I thought it was like more most popular in Korea. Anyway, no, it's definitely most popular in China. Um, but there is a K-pop group
01:14:04
called Blackpink. Um, they're not, it's their K-pop, right?
01:14:09
Yeah. Demon Hunters, uh, called Blackpink. And Lisa, one of the members of that group, I think,
01:14:16
publicly had a Libuoo, which helped kick off the whole thing. But I'm not an expert in any of this stuff. But yeah, so PopMart is a big Chinese toy company.
01:14:22
They sell lots of different lines of toys that are primarily delivered via blind boxes. Laboos are the ones that
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have taken off internationally. Thank you, Ellis, our K-pop correspondent. I can't wait for the
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comment that's like, "It's just so painful hearing these guys try and talk about laboo." Um, it based on an artist who grew up
01:14:42
with Nordic fairy tales and made some fairy tale books that look like laboo.
01:14:47
That's what they're based on. So, how does this relate to AI? I was just going to say my only connection that I'm drawing is these are
01:14:53
extremely trendy and maybe AI is extremely trendy. That is what they're going with. I I would I'll do I'll take it in a
01:14:59
different direction. M the boo boos primarily come in blind boxes and a blind box is an experience
01:15:05
where you put lots of money into something and then you don't know if it's going to pay off. Damn. And by that logic
01:15:12
I would say I would say AI is definitely the leuoo of tech. Everything is gambling. I have another
01:15:19
parallel that liaboos to those not in that world look pretty silly. M
01:15:25
and I'll be honest, so does talking to a chatbot to a lot of people who are not in this world. I I rest my case.
01:15:31
You're absolutely right. My girlfriend was having trouble doing this like complicated Microsoft word
01:15:37
formatting thing and I was like, "Do you want to ask my claude?" And she shot daggers at me.
01:15:42
Mloud. I think this is a wonderful analogy and
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capsulation and perhaps not a hot take at all. Perhaps a totally reasonable take. All right, I'll do one more. Camera
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control is actually very useful. Very useful.
01:15:59
Um, it's the most annoying feature Apple has put out in a long time. I use it to open the camera. That is it.
01:16:05
That makes it useful. That was exactly what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. You know what else you could do? You could long press on your screen.
01:16:12
You could, but how often do you do that? Well, not now cuz I have camera control. Exactly. So, you're saying you use it?
01:16:17
I mean, sure. I I would prefer this was a Touch ID. Wait, hold on. What button?
01:16:23
Yeah, it would. That'd be a weird place for it. But what are your two long presses on your home screen right now? It's flashlight and Gemini voice mode.
01:16:30
Those are also mine, too. So, it's not a camera anymore. I could get rid of the flashlight.
01:16:36
Or I could or you could do the pixel twist. You know, camera control also. Okay. So, you use it to open it. The camera is open once
01:16:42
you've opened it. Do you ever use camera control to slide tone? All it ever does is interrupt things. Yeah.
01:16:48
Accidentally. And then I'm like, "Oh, 2.3x horrible image quality. Yeah, that's what I want."
01:16:53
Yeah. It sounds like if it was just a button, you would be okay with it. Camera button. Not a capacity.
01:16:59
I just want it to be Touch ID. That's all I want it to be. I think this person made it a great flaming hot take by calling it camera control, but really
01:17:06
all we find useful is the ability to open the camera quickly. Once you open it, the rest of the camera control features are kind of annoying. They're
01:17:15
just in the way. I think that a lot of com uh smartphone companies have made like a million ways to open your camera
01:17:21
faster. Well, so for the longest time, you just double press your power button on like 90 97% of Android phones, double press
01:17:28
power button would open. There used to be the iPhone has double tap the double tap accessibility. Is that
01:17:33
still a thing? That's still a thing. It doesn't work for me though. It's kind of finicky. But then there would be
01:17:39
Android phones where they would add a specific camera button that would also be a shutter button. Like Sony phones
01:17:45
did this for a little bit. I think an LG phone had a custom like the G5 or something back in the day. So there would be like a a hardware button to
01:17:52
open the camera which is cool if you take a lot of pictures. Yeah. Um nowadays it's like I kind of still just
01:17:59
double tap my power button on most Android phones and then on the iPhone the action button came along a few years
01:18:04
ago and that's what I would map it to. Open my camera. Oh yeah. action button. Yeah. What the heck? There's so many
01:18:10
buttons. You don't need this button. Yeah, they It's not a button. It's camera control.
01:18:15
My action button is one thing. My camera control button is the camera. My two shortcuts on the home screen are two
01:18:21
different things. I have my flashlight. So, I got all kinds of customization going on. Maybe we're back to the customization.
01:18:26
Userentric customization. I as a non- iPhone user who's never used camera control, I think we have one piece of
01:18:33
evidence from someone who knows quite a bit about iPhones of how useful camera
01:18:38
control is, and that is Apple because it seems like they've completely forgotten about camera control. That's also true.
01:18:43
They didn't even mention it a single time in the last. It's because they just oneshotted it right out the gate.
01:18:49
You know what's the best indicator that it's not very useful? Oppo and the find X9 Pro
01:18:54
didn't copy it. did a perfect clone of camera control on their phone and nobody
01:19:00
talks about it or cares because nobody uses it because it's not that useful. Yeah, because you can still double tap
01:19:06
the camera button or double tap the power button to open the camera. What would it have to do to become useful? Like what would make you be
01:19:11
like, "Okay, now this is cool." Not be annoying is what it sounds like. It would have to have more uh
01:19:17
functionality like granular, not granular. I don't know what the word is, but like when I swipe and it goes from
01:19:23
0x to 2.2x 2x or whatever. That's annoying to me. If I could have more
01:19:28
fine control over just boop, notch me over to 2x, notch me to 4x. If that worked better,
01:19:34
yeah, I would be happier and probably use it a little bit more. Yeah. Um, but I think it's too late to save
01:19:39
itself. I think I just use this screen because it's a huge, beautiful screen. Why would I not use the screen? Yeah.
01:19:44
Decent take. Wait, is it? Well, cuz Well, it's hot because no one agrees with it.
01:19:50
Exactly. It's hot because no one agrees with it, but it's decent because we actually all use it to open the camera,
01:19:55
so it's arguably useful. Yeah, it would just make it a regular button, not a capacitive whatever the heck.
01:20:01
That's what we really want. Cool. Okay. Well, that was it. Trivia.
01:20:08
Trivia, dude. I don't want to argue about this, but I saw a really funny hot take on Twitter this weekend where a
01:20:14
bunch of people were talking about nuclear energy and how silly it is that nuclear energy is just a new way to boil
01:20:20
water. And the hot take was that it's crazy that humanity essentially oneshotted the
01:20:25
best way to generate electricity in the 1700s. And we've just been figuring out slightly better ways to do it since
01:20:31
then. Um, guys, trivia as I open the trivia document. 1700s.
01:20:36
Yeah, the industrial revolution. Oh, yeah. The steam engine. The steam engine.
01:20:41
Gabe Newle's been cooking for a long time. True. No one.
01:20:48
No, I got a steam. And he bought the the cruise ship. I mean the the the the yacht company,
01:20:54
guys. Yeah. In 1994, if you wanted to go to Comp Comp USA and buy an Apple
01:21:00
Perform 630 CD with a 14-inch monitor and an HP inkjet printer on a Black
01:21:05
Friday deal, how much would all that cost? And you have to let me know if you're giving this in $194
01:21:12
or September 2025. I don't have a pen. Does anyone know why I have a pen?
01:21:18
September 2025 is the last year there's inflation data available
01:21:23
because they decided to just doesn't exist. Pretty pretty interesting, huh? Shut down. Wait, September 2025.
01:21:29
September 2025. Right before October 2025. Pretty weird.
01:21:34
Assume the website's not updated well enough. Oh, cuz the government shut down. Probably because that I was trying to be
01:21:40
cheeky and and infer. Well, read them.
01:21:47
Uh, wait. I never said I guess we're doing delta because I never said prices right rules. Did anyone think we were doing prices right rules? Just in the
01:21:53
interest of fairness. I think I even when we're doing prices right, I go delta anyways cuz I want to be dead on.
01:21:58
We're we're doing delta. Slightly complicated math, but someone read me an answer. I wrote 25 2025
01:22:06
September and you wrote 3,000. Okay, cool. in 1994
01:22:13
700 and I put in 1994 $294
01:22:19
and the winner is Andrew Manganelli by about $100 off from
01:22:26
David. It was $2,000 in 1994. So you were 1300
01:22:31
off. Oh. And it was, wait, it was 30, excuse me, $4,340
01:22:39
in today money. Close. Which was $1,430 off for you. Beat
01:22:44
David. What's the inflation on the delta? Yeah, that's I mean, you shouldn't have to do that. I should get the point. But
01:22:50
yeah, the smarter move was to guess the 1994 price because the money smaller smaller delta away from it.
01:22:56
That's where my head was at. Strat. Good strat. Good strat. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10.
01:23:03
Oh, nice. Andrew with 12 after that correct point. Nice. David with nine.
01:23:09
I'm catching up. Embarrassing. I got passed though. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to those points. All right.
01:23:15
Aluminum. What's the atomic number? Go. Ah. Just visualize the periodic table.
01:23:22
Where do you think it is? Aluminum. Aluminium. Aluminium. The periodic table's in alphabetical
01:23:28
order, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's periodic. Yeah. Do you guys want to hear a fun waveform
01:23:34
fact? Sure. Is this closest delta is closest? Sure. Yeah, we'll do delta. Yeah.
01:23:40
Did you know that the waveform podcast has 08 mics per host? Nice. Wow. That's pretty fun. That is pretty
01:23:47
fun. All right, flip them and read. What do we got? We're all exactly even from each other.
01:23:54
My goal is to not name a number that's not on the periodic table. Yep. So, we are actually periodic.
01:24:01
Yeah. Because I put 12. Okay. I put 16. Uhhuh.
01:24:06
Mine's not periodic. No, we are periodic. What's your number? Cuz we're periodic with a a delta four
01:24:11
between us. 20. 20. The correct answer is 13. So, the closest is David. David
01:24:18
gets the point. I'm not I visualized getting past. What is 12 to be?
01:24:23
Magnesium is 12. Well, anyway, that's been it for this week and all of our hot takes and
01:24:28
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01:24:34
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