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[Music] yo welcome back fellow internet people
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to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in today's episode we've got a bunch of quick hit ev stories
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electric car stuff our first thoughts on the steam deck also on tick tock now allowing 10 minute videos we wanted to
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talk about that a little bit and then of course the fact that on 2022 we still don't have an instagram ipad app
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but first tesla's plaid badges it seems like test new teslas are rolling out now with new headlights and
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tail lights right the new plaids yeah little uh i think it's all new model s's and probably awesome model x's got a
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little bit of a refresh yeah the refresh is new headlights and taillights and then the plaid ones it seems
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are also getting a new badge yeah and it's kind of like the reddit thread about the headlights and taillights very
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quickly devolved into a giant conversation about how because if we all remember the plaid badges um the one
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that specifically looked like from spaceballs the plaid like moving in light speed right were only for the
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first 25 cars right so if anybody bought a model s or model x plaid and actually had it delivered the badge on the back
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just said plaid in text it was just a silver plaid text but there was yes the
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special edition first 25 including mine somehow so maybe 26 i don't know maybe
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but there's a bunch of a small number of them that had this visual version of the plaid badge which
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was like the spaceballs thing um looks like they're gonna just be doing that for all of them now although it is a
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little bit different and so if you get real close to the back of the car you could probably visually be able to tell
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actually you can just look at the tail lights but you can tell which one's which so now i guess my car
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being one of the ones with the old headlights and taillights but with the plaid spaceballs badge is a special
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unicorn yours is a unicorn in that sense but i also want to talk about how this new badge at first glance looks exactly the
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same but when you compare it to yours they're actually really really different
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yeah the the old one's better way to be clear way way way better yeah so the old ones it's got
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uh it's more of like this 3d like chamfered look it's it's i mean there's a texture to it and you can see the
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depth off the back of that and it's got like physical pieces that are missing in it because plaid has you know lines that
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are crossing together so you wind up having squares that see through it so depending on what color of the car you have that might be coming through the
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back of it as well and it just looks amazing this new one
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looks like if etsy was making a refrigerator magnet of the plaid it's funny there there were
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actually people making uh secondhand like you could buy you could get one of these from etsy like
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you could get a secondhand version and even those look better than this because those were awesome like oh yeah
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see-through with body color showing through and like chrome and yeah and this sounds like such a small thing but
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in like mclaren land and porsche land where like every single little thing is an option i learned i was going through
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you can look at porsche's configurator and literally you can configure like the tiniest like obviously the the back
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of the the side view mirrors do you want that to be body color or black or carbon fiber do you want your tail lights to be
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clear or red do you want the bar to be clear do you want the text inside of the tail light bar to be black or body color
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or white like you can do every little thing and customize it to be exactly the spec you'd want tussles don't really
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have options like that it's like which outside color do you want which inside color do you want fsd or nah ship it so
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this uh this is just like everyone who gets applied gets this one and that's just the way it is now yeah it's
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would you rather have the new plaid badge or just say plaid i i would still i like the badge i think
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the badge is cool because it's still like a it's funny everyone always looks at this like special performance level
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and says oh the car's got to look special to match its performance level and there was something so understated
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about you not knowing that this was the fastest sedan in the world until you get real close to it and
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see that it says plaid instead of long range and you're like oh it's that one but yeah this i think this
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badge is a little something special because yeah you need a little something special i think i would pick this badge if the
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car was black if it was not black i think it would really annoy me because like the edges of the
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rectangle are black it would look like it would a magnet yeah it would look really bad i think a different color
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apparently um all right next up rivien r1t a truck that we have
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mentioned on this podcast yeah so many times for so many reasons mostly because
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we really i really like it i think you really like it as well we had a ton of fun driving it we've seen some stuff in
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the news recently where uh cars were getting delayed we were even wondering kind of how much they
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were really shipping we saw that some of them were going out but that a lot of people who ordered the 400 mile version
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got delayed till 2023 which is now already like on top of a delay i knew that was gonna happen we all kind of saw
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that coming yeah um now the issue kind of arises in a bunch of people earlier this week
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who are reservation holders got emails about a price increase and it's not just a little price
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increase it's quite a bit um i have a couple tweets here from quinn from john
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rettinger zach's cherry rick everything um they i think quinn's was like fifteen
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thousand extra john's was ten thousand extra zax was ten thousand extra like so they all had r1t orders in yep and all
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of them got some sort of a notification that their price would be going up and that they would
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not honor the previous price that they thought they were going to get the truck at so if you ordered it at 83 000 or
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whatever and you got the email saying this truck is actually now 95 000. all of them are now
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uh over a hundred yeah then all of those people that i just talked about every single sorry right yeah so
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now yeah i think zach's point you know in his tweet he says he would have talked about it a little bit differently if it was a 100 000 plus dollar truck
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versus like an 88 000 truck that that difference does mean a lot especially in people's minds um and when you're not
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getting anything extra from it like right you're not they're not saying like oh we're adding a bunch of stuff that
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we're just doing to the baseline ones um if you want or you know we're creating this new model
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and we're gonna ship those out first kind of you know how tesla usually ships out their more expensive cars first it's not something like that they're not
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getting anything extra and saying like would you like to pay this extra money to get the ones coming out first um so i think this is
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probably something i mean riven's not dumb they knew this would be
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pretty rough like you know that looks bad and not honoring the previous price looks pretty bad which leads me to
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believe they probably felt like they really had to do it sure which is probably a combination of
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you know pre-pandemic versus post-pandemic prices in general have gone up so here's one thing to note real
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quick why you're saying that quinn in his tweet thread which i want to link in the show notes because it's like 20 tweets long but it's really
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really interesting um because he loved the car he went to the press event out in colorado with everybody um he made a
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reservation instantly he came on the podcast talked about it and how much he liked it um
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he tweeted one of his tweets in the thread was ravine told me five months ago when i asked him about supply chain issues that kovid made it tricky but
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they're confident they could ship the cars at the prices expected stuff hasn't changed that much in the last five months certainly not 20
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they lied to customers investors and myself yeah the last part is his words not mine but yeah i mean a company that thinks
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they're immune to supply chain issues is usually wrong yeah especially when you're in the
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process of building hype um like you're building hype based on a certain price and now and also how can you be immune
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to supply chain issues if you're not already shipping the thing like you're saying oh yeah we're gonna ship this truck in like a year and a
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half it's not ready it's not done we're still on in the process of putting things together but we know we're gonna be set how you never know that far ahead
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yeah so yeah you know projecting confidence is great for a public company but now it's kind of backfiring it's
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backfiring real hard because i believe all of those people i'm not sure about zach um but quinn and john both said
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they canceled their orders and i saw multiple other tweets about it obviously we're in a pretty niche tech sphere
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where a lot of people you know ordered them potentially even to make videos on them so i don't know
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how many people in the grand scheme when we went back and talked about that uh the like mercedes markups that john had
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also like people are going crazy that was crazy but we know people are gonna buy that so i'm sure there are plenty of
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people who will still pay this price yeah but it's just like a bad look from a new company trying to get their boots
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on the ground and like immediately kind of hurting and hitting their loyal customers loyal customer
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base of a truck but if you want to establish a good reputation not a great first step now i think you're right
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ravine's probably done the math and realized that people will cancel
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those orders and other people will fill in and take those reservations at the higher price no problem it's going to
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happen they're still going to sell a lot of these trucks because it's a good product and that's where a lot of the leverage
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comes in if this was like a meh i think i'm kind of interested i put down the 75 grand and now it's 10 000 more it's not
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worth it anymore i think the leverage from it being a good product is what's so painful about this
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but that's why it hurts me so bad i think this truck is awesome it's not in the cards for me to get but even seeing
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that happen makes me really sad because this that trucks i still think is the coolest
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ev i've gotten to like drive in so far all right quick update we're we're
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interjecting this clip right after we recorded there's since been an update about that rivien story yep so we just want to
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interject the correct information since we've recorded this has happened actually this comes from john rettinger who's tweeted some screenshots from an
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email from reviewing since he is one of the people who canceled his pre-order rivian has actually decided to go back
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on two of the things that they changed number one they are going to honor all previous
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orders before the price hike at their original prices yeah and number two
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they've decided that if anyone did cancel their order they are willing to reinstate that order
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and at the original price yeah at the price they pre-ordered that yep this makes me think a ton of people cancelled
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their orders i can only imagine yeah so i mean obviously you know actually i'll we'll link this tweet in the show notes
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but john uh sent out a screenshot from an email from rivie and they talked about things like supply chain
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management and how prices have gone up and they needed to manage these things but also didn't realize people thought
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the prices were locked and there's miscommunication there so yeah they're willing they've done the math on
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probably how many people pre-ordered and thought we'd rather have those people's money even if it's at the lower price yeah for sure um and i give you have to
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give them credit for doing this yeah i guess we do yeah you some credit at least yeah but it's uh i'd be
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interested to see how many people bring their order back based on that price um but obviously i'm sure the
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numbers got hit pretty hard and as a company that recently went public you don't want to drop numbers like that
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yeah i you know john i tweeted at john saying that makes it sound like a lot of people cancelled he tweeted back at me i
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don't know where he got this but he said rumor was over half of the pre-orders
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canceled a public company would never tell anyone that but if that's anywhere near the
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truth yeah this is rough that's true yeah so that's just an update on that story now
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back to the conversation do you want to talk about another eevee that might not ship oh yeah that's a great segway
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we were we came into the studio today and somebody had put in the slack a link to a polestar blog post they just posted
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up on this polestar 02 concept car yeah
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and i just from the preview and the thumbnail i was like ooh that was kind of nice i clicked it i was like this thing is sick
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i hate seeing concept cars that i know for a fact will never ship that look super
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good yeah like you remember the sony car at ces like two or three years ago however long it was given up on trying
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to remember the sony cars that see not that it was the coolest car ever but it was like it had some cool ideas and it
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was a silver matte finish it looked kind of kind of nice
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but it was a sony car sitting in a booth at ces and at that moment i knew this car would never exist yeah now polstar
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is talking about you know this is a concept car so we're using this design inspiration and blah blah blah there's
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lots of reasons why concept cars exist but then they do these promo videos of
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the car driving around looking cool it's a render so it's just sort of
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promo for pole star um but i get you know we were watching the videos and i think we were i like the
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look of it i think it looks aesthetical let's try to describe it a little bit here um i thought it looked like a
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really really modern aggressive sharp like nissan 350z like coupe roadster
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from the feature yeah yeah exactly like kind of hatchback on on the back where it has that like you know big lump on
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the back and then straight down to a super sharp almost like shark nose front end it's like if the 350z and the cyber
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truck had a coupe baby kind of yeah yeah and looked way cooler than the cyber way
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cooler lights i'm a fan so it has the very very like typical pole star back
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single bar brake light that looks incredible that's great very angular yeah um convertible as well
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which is like of course in the renders at this really crazy way it like folded back that we all know
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physics means that that won't be able to happen like that but um yeah it looked awesome except for the arrow wheels
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yeah i think that's the thing about evs this is a from a video we scrapped but every electric car
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needs to have good aerodynamics but also wants to look good yep and so one of the
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things we've seen is like all right if you put the aero caps on a tesla model 3 it gets like ten seven eight nine
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percent longer range but it looks way worse yeah do you wanna do that so tesla solution is yeah you can just pop off
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this plastic piece it'll look cooler you'll get less range but if you want more range yeah embrace the ugly aero wheel
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just because it kind of creates makes it look like a normal rim and kind of when it gets dirty you can
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obviously tell yeah there's a lot of space taken up i would say this being your favorite is also the least
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efficient aero rim exactly so yeah so ty polstar was trying to do an arrow wheel
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of the future and it's it kind of looks like just a big plus sign the way they did they're cut out it's like the
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playstation x button exactly yeah yeah it looks terrible but it's a concept just i think in black it would look fine
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i think it would look okay in black yeah yeah i don't know it looks bad but anyways to the fun part of the video
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yeah well okay so we're watching the video in the studio and then we see you know these it's kind
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of like it's driving through this rendered mojave desert-looking type thing but then a drone flies over the
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back and we see a shot of like oh wow they're in the future they're even like rendering in a drone to like fly over
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the car i thought it was kind of like extra effort put in so people would wonder more if it's a render in real
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life because why in a render would you put a drone flying over the back like yeah oh we accidentally got the drone in
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the shot from a different from a real car yeah yeah yeah then we scroll down on the page
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and at the bottom of the page they detail that this car has a drone built
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into it yeah and it's specifically built in to take off from the back of the car
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get cool shots of the car as you're driving and then land back on the car it even has like it
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showed a like a top down of the car and it has this like line straight down the middle of the the
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rear trunk they made a whole video about this yeah and i was like oh is that just like a interesting design choice i think
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it might have had the polestar logo up there and then yeah that's the track for the drone to like pop out of this little
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like corridor and like slide down the track and then take off behind it yeah
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so i i don't know i thought that was like somebody in a boardroom was like yo all
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these car videos we always have like drone shots what if it was built into the car oh yeah concept car of the
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future should definitely have a drone built in and then they went over the top and they like made this track down the middle of the back of the car and
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there's a software ui on the screen of the car which lets you i guess sort of just
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position the drone in relative space around the car on the screen and it just gets there and gets the pov shot of the
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car so yeah if you're driving around you can just get shots while you're driving quite easily target tracking because we
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all know that every drone out there can keep up with an electric roadster well that was that was my
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that was the funny part to me is i think the drone is less realistic than the car it's far less realistic it's almost
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when you so you mentioned before how concept cars like we'll never see the light of the day i think you mentioned when we were watching it that
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you're so mad you'll never get to actually see this car yeah but i'm only mad that i'll never see the post star because they won't make that car not
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that they can't yeah i think they physically could make a car that looks like that that is electric it's an
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adjustment of the current pulse star whatever um but it just wouldn't sell very much because it's a doesn't have great rear
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visibility not a lot of space not everybody wants an expensive four-door coupe with a convertible it's like oh
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they wouldn't make it but they could if they wanted to yeah and then
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this drone is like okay theoretically we have a drone that can pop out of the back of a car
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take off from the back of the car fly around remote controlled by a system in the car
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keep up with a car have a long enough battery life to stay with the car
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and then find the car again and land on it and i guess charged from the car's battery
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that doesn't exist no that won't ever that will not happen yeah this one for me
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thinking like i'm hoping they eventually do something that looks like this car like that looks similar i do think there's there will
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eventually i agree with you there's not really that market of like people wanting eevee roadster coupes
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like that right now because it seems like a lot of those people are super car enthusiasts and they want to see evie take a few steps forward before
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they're making that leap um we see tesla coming out with it but that we all know that still isn't quite out
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yet um but the drone to me just made it feel like
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i had a little hope that maybe it would like come eventually and that just was like this is yeah they don't care
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it's great vapor great video great looking car i i so hope something like that comes
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out in the future because it looks really good it's kind of funny we see all these like car of the future designs and they all kind of have this like
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angular look but that's not really any real car shipping yet i'll say the kia ev6
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right it's got some angles it's literally the it's the angled version of the ionic
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five right i think that's the most futuristic looking it's like street car cyber truck uh
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rivien yeah versus like flat cheery like wall-e versus like killer
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yellow jacket robot but i like i'm i'm i want to see more of these like
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sharp things yeah i agree i like angles i like i love the new headlights that they're doing and stuff like that that
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fit with the angles really well and just uh and then when you add all that without needing a grill i think it all
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comes out exactly really really good yeah so i'm ready for that feature of sharp angular cars with drones that fly
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out the back someday easy eventually probably in the next two years for sure after this ad break probably
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probably yeah well place your bets which will ship first the uh the cyber truck or the drone that takes off in the back
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of the car and lands on it or the faraday future we'll be right back
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all right welcome back uh for this next segment i'm going to turn all of our cameras vertical because this podcast
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from today forward will now be on tick tock yeah this is a tick tock podcast welcome to the waveform tick tock
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and that's just like 10 parts though i've buried the lead pretty hard yeah the headline is tick tock extends max video
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length to over 10 minutes i think just 10 minutes is it over 10 oh is it just 10.
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i think it's just 10. oh so we can't do the whole podcast then no no but like like how all those people who ripped
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content on tiktok you just have to put part one on the bottom so right really easy easy just a little swipe up and
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then that's funny because that was like a part of tick-tock culture the part one part two thing
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you know yeah like what like you get to 60 seconds you'd be like hey quick follow me for part two that's like a part of tick-tock yeah and then the next
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15 seconds of the next video is like recapping it so yeah that's brutal i hate every second of it so r.i.p youtube
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it's over 10-minute videos on tik-tok that's all we needed i don't see how youtube can recover to be honest um
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they'll never survive but yeah so tick-tock comes out and announced that it already has increased the limit to
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three minutes before i think we were kind of critical on that but it was not too bad three minutes is still extremely
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short content if you're watching a video that's three minutes on youtube it's probably like a really fast skit or
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something like that you don't see a lot i think our average our average is probably like 12 minutes i'd say average
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youtube video is like 8 to 15. well in this niche of i call it
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a niche but in this niche of professional creators looking to
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optimize in some way for the algorithm you're going to see a lot of long videos yeah i wonder about the rest of youtube
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i think there's a lot of shorter videos sometimes i'm still stuck into when i first joined and we were making like eight minute videos consistently well we
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i it's funny are a lot of older videos on this channel i made a lot of really solid five to seven minute videos and
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back in those days an eight minute video was pretty long yeah and then a 10-minute video was long and sometimes
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you'd get accused because this is when you could only add mid-rolls to 10-minute plus videos because they added
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this feature where you could place mid-rolls we still get accused for that yeah that's because people have no idea what the rules are but you you get
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accused of like stretching a video out like this video is unnecessarily long it's 10 minutes and 12 seconds because
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what you wanted to add a mid-roll um which we never did that on purpose but that was a long video back then
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now i mean i've said this before but we play this like guessing game as a video gets
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edited like how long do you think this one's going to be a nine minute video is pretty short it's
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very short it's pretty short so yeah in in terms of creators who adapt to the algorithm and the environment that
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youtube is long videos i think since youtube's getting bigger and becoming more of the norm for for people to watch attention
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spans are growing also this is more interesting youtube's more of the at the point where you can go home sit on your
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couch and turn on your smart tv rather than just being on break at work and watching an eight-minute video so that's
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one thing i think that's also a different level of commitment to watching something and
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like how much free time you have because a lot of times if i have uh five ten minutes i'm not gonna watch a
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five minute video i'm gonna open up tick tock and watch a hundred videos because that's all i and i don't have to
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commit to anything like i get to the end i'm like i'm bored now and i put it away yeah and that's where tick tock excels
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so it's fascinating seeing a you know if you land on tick tock i've
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seen some tick tocks where like they really go on for a while like how long is this video and i checked the scroll
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bar and i'm like this is a minute and a half this is a long video on tick tock what are you gonna do when you get to a
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10 minute tick tock swipe very fast swipe yeah yeah i hope there's like a
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i know there won't be but i wish there was something that said that it was a long video like a little icon that showed it was longer because scroll bar
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yeah like you said my tick tock habits are very like i just want to scroll through things
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maybe i'm like about to get off the couch and go to bed but i don't feel like yet or i'm laying in bed and about
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to go to sleep and i'm just rifling through a bunch i always play this game where it's like one more good one one
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more good one and then i'll go to bed um but throwing 10 minute videos in there seems
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insane to me yeah if a normal tick tock is let's say 30 seconds long yeah
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sitting on you know if you open up tick tock you're already in this mental space of short short short and your your your
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attention span is ready for something 12 seconds long to give you that instant gratification i
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don't know that a 10 minute video can blow up i might be proven wrong but i don't know that a 10 minute video on tick tock in
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its current state will have quite the same traction ability as a
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20 second video i agree with that i feel like the only space i can really see it being
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beneficial in is like if it is a 10 minute video that lives on a user's page but doesn't necessarily
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hit the for you page whereas like somebody makes something that's super viral or posts a video of maybe an
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incident that happened that's really viral and then you want to know more about what happened in that and then you go to their page and it's like here's a
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10 minute video up to 10 minutes that can describe it because then you don't have to describe it in one minute or less or whatever
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yeah um but flipping through the 4u page if i went from like a 10 second video to
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a 10 minute video and it just kept jostling all over there you feel like it's changing the entire atmosphere of
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how i use that app and how probably most people use that app also i'm you know from a creative perspective
00:26:15
i think a lot of the craft of social media is
00:26:21
creating for the platform and specifically like having to sculpt and shave things to fit like how many times
00:26:27
have i made a tweet that's 190 characters and i'm like all right i need to find 60 i need to find it's a bunch of words
00:26:34
i can cut out of this tweet to make it well now yeah 240 just before someone yeah it used to be it used to
00:26:40
only be 160 or whatever yeah um how many times have vine creators probably had a
00:26:46
seven second video that they're like how can i take one second out of this edit so it can fit on vine right
00:26:52
and for tick-tock it's been you know it was 60 seconds for shorts it currently is still 60
00:26:58
seconds like part of that craft for making a short for me as a creator is all right we shot this whole thing we
00:27:05
had this great idea we explained it we showed it we demoed it tied it up in a bow and it's a minute
00:27:10
and six seconds long all right how are we going to cut six seconds out of this video so yeah i
00:27:16
i don't know that tick tock adding 10 minute videos you know waters it down in any way i
00:27:22
think it's just it removes the restriction of like what we were doing to fit things into tick-tock which is
00:27:28
still like it has to be vertical i guess that's one thing yeah it's well because igtv did so great
00:27:35
vertical video thing of the future igtv did not float it sync no it sank hard
00:27:41
like a rock um do you think there's any re do you think there's anything behind
00:27:46
adding 10 minutes to like tick tucker's getting very famous and big and then wanting to make longer form
00:27:52
content so going to youtube so this is possibly to get less people leaving the platform no that's i don't think that's
00:27:58
why they left for youtube though i think they're left for monetization i think that is a little bit different as well
00:28:04
but but doing tick tock content on youtube just for monetization you have to change your whole thing because
00:28:09
making a minute long video on on youtube is not the way to go well that's what a lot of yeah that's what a lot of short
00:28:15
form creators figure out is that when you want to migrate to youtube
00:28:21
you kind of have to engage and do things for longer than 10 seconds so they're so
00:28:27
used to being incredibly short form and really engaging and popped right off the bat and making
00:28:34
something in 30 seconds that it's a new challenge and a new skill to extend and and build something out
00:28:40
for a couple minutes long kind of the opposite of what i was saying earlier like i'm a youtuber makes 10 minute videos yeah how am i going to make it
00:28:46
short oh god i got to trim something out yeah they're thinking the other way around all right i'm used to making things real short and now i have to i
00:28:53
want to make youtube videos and people's attention spans on youtube and and rewarding watch time mean i have
00:29:00
to stretch things out to reach like five minutes yeah which is a whole challenge hard so
00:29:06
yeah i don't know i don't know what's harder shortening a ten minute thing to one minute or extending a one minute thing to ten minutes like when you have
00:29:12
to reach the character count on your essay and you just start writing the same thing over and over you just increase the size of all the periods to
00:29:19
fourteen yeah instead yeah yeah um yeah i'm not exactly sure do you think there
00:29:24
will be mid-rolls in oh god i said that as a joke i don't think they can do i don't think they can
00:29:30
either i don't think you could see a mid-roll and a tick-tock and don't swipe or get furious
00:29:37
yeah i'm really interested to see metrics of how these work i am not
00:29:42
looking forward to having to swipe through them in my for you page for sure it just doesn't feel like the thing for
00:29:47
me tick tocks analytics aren't that great and so on youtube i i can tell how far people
00:29:54
watch into a video like a three minute video or whatever 10 minute video i can see actually a chart of when
00:30:00
people leave and how what percent are still watching by every minute tick tock doesn't show that i bet they
00:30:08
know i'm sure that's how that's how they surface videos but if you're uh if you're out here
00:30:13
trying to make like 10-minute tick tocks now your only metric for success is like did people actually watch it and not
00:30:20
skip it did it actually accumulate views and get shared and i guess we don't know the metric of how many seconds into a
00:30:27
video is considered a view yeah i don't know no idea uh do you think youtube's gonna copy
00:30:34
this for shorts because youtube that would be so funny i hope they don't
00:30:39
they're already stricter with their hopes a second yeah i hope they don't it would make no sense yeah if you want to
00:30:44
make a 10 minute youtube video then just make a 10 minute youtube video if you want to make a 10 minute vertical
00:30:49
youtube video you can already do that it's not a short it's a long it's a long video
00:30:56
um that's a good point it would literally ruin the name of shorts yeah the whole point the whole point of
00:31:01
shorts is we already have 10 minute videos here's a place for the short ones i think they can't possibly copy
00:31:07
it would also be funny if instagram copied it with reels because then they're just recreating igtv again
00:31:14
which would make sense it would have better discoverability than tv did because that was a mess yeah reels would
00:31:19
actually i could see them 10 minutes is a long time but i could i could but they need a scroll bar
00:31:25
because you can't scroll instagram you can't scrub through instagram videos i would like a better one on tick-tock
00:31:31
also i think it's a pain in the neck and i didn't know it existed until like a month ago oh really yeah i think it's
00:31:36
pretty decent i mean it's just a little preview thing right yeah but like sometimes it doesn't show up i feel like
00:31:41
i think short videos it doesn't show up okay i think it has to be over a certain length maybe 30 seconds then it shows up
00:31:47
yeah i have no idea instagram you have to you used to have to be on a macbook pro at the touch bar and you would have
00:31:52
this the scrub show up on the touch bar best feature of the touch bar that was the only reason it was good uh
00:31:59
so on a mac you could you could have a on a on a i guess on a browser on a browser right now it plays like a
00:32:04
quicktime video but on your phone if i get to a 10 minute instagram reel
00:32:10
and i can't scroll through it i'm skipping yeah i'm skipping easy so they gotta adjust that
00:32:15
uh speaking of instagram though wow wow marquez that was great speaking of
00:32:21
instagram i tweeted what was it two three days ago that this is just another random shower
00:32:26
thought tweet that turns into a conversation yep the year is 2022
00:32:32
and there is no ipad instagram app if you open the instagram app on an ipad
00:32:39
it looks hilarious it's just a scaled iphone app and you hit the 2x button and it blows up an iphone on an ipad which
00:32:47
is like i don't know there's a lot of pretty good ipad apps instagram doesn't make one a couple hours after that adam
00:32:54
missouri love him uh actually answered my tweet tweeted back at me he said yep we get
00:32:59
this one a lot which adam i know i'm sure he's tired of answering this all the time
00:33:04
but he actually sort of explained a little bit he said it's just not a big enough group of people to be a priority
00:33:11
hoping to get it at some point but right now we're very heads down on other things
00:33:17
and i was kind of curious about that so i replied i mean i'm not i'm not an executive at a tech company no we
00:33:24
obviously like he knows instagram better than us i think it's safe to say that i would say he's the most qualified person
00:33:30
to answer this yeah but i sort of poked back like well if you made a great instagram app for
00:33:36
ipad wouldn't a lot of people start using it like nobody uses it now because it's
00:33:41
terrible it's awful so yeah if you made one they will come
00:33:47
his response was was really interesting so number one each surface adds overhead we
00:33:52
support ios android the web and ig light and android is the largest of those all
00:33:58
true yeah but you're also facebook so i don't we'll get to that we'll get to that yeah so two
00:34:04
he says tick tock and youtube are behemoths people share more in messages than they do to stories or feeds so we
00:34:10
need to adapt people share more in messages than they do to stories i think what he's saying is that like people are using the
00:34:17
private messaging tool in instagram rather than the sharing posting but they don't make any money off of private
00:34:22
messaging like he wants to get more people sharing things so i guess that's what they're working on rather than
00:34:27
that's how i took that at least and three we are leaner than you think
00:34:32
so yeah i get it so first of all yes they make an android version
00:34:39
i don't think there's a well optimized android tablet instagram app either
00:34:45
not asking for one just saying there isn't one and on the web yeah instagram works fine
00:34:50
you can now upload from the web now which is really cool those surfaces gain more and more features every day
00:34:57
but i don't understand i still don't understand not adding like i thought it would i think it would be
00:35:04
pretty easy to make a decent instagram ipad app i think that's a fair thought and i know they're we are not developers
00:35:11
i'm not going to fold is full disclosure if you haven't heard the dumb stuff we've talked about developing apps before um but
00:35:17
i can't imagine compared to the other things that they're making they made igtv that was its own app
00:35:25
was that did that have an ipad app actually not a specific oh it had it's a separate app it would have made way more
00:35:31
sense than ipad as content a way to consume content rather than a way
00:35:37
to like so the number two here sticks out to me a lot because
00:35:42
they're specifically saying they want more people sharing things in consuming content rather than just direct messages
00:35:48
whereas a phone seems like the immediate space i would go to if i were messaging somebody and an ipad to me when i'm on
00:35:55
that i'm only there to consume content i think that's that's a good perspective i think a lot of fellow creators were
00:36:01
looking at like i like using the ipad as my only computer and if i could have a
00:36:07
full-fledged instagram experience on the ipad that would make it dramatically more useful computer to me yeah because
00:36:13
right now the instagram like i said the instagram ipad app is just the iphone app blown up and pixelated yeah
00:36:20
i think yeah i think his number three point sticks out to me the most we're leaner than you think i because you know facebook owns
00:36:27
instagram we know this they're separately organized and managed of course but
00:36:33
i don't think the facebook the money's there the money exactly if i was facebook if i was the
00:36:39
if i was running instagram i said hey can we grab a pic a quick billion and like a couple developers because we're
00:36:44
gonna make an instagram app i don't think facebook would go no we don't want that here's the thing though a lot of
00:36:50
people were tweeting at me um the ipad also doesn't have a calendar or sorry it
00:36:56
does have a calendar it also doesn't have a calculator and i asked apple about this i was like
00:37:02
hey craig why is there no i don't think he was expecting me to answer this but i said why is there no calculator app on
00:37:08
the ipad you know there's some things that we we have not done because
00:37:14
we to do it we would want to do something really distinctly
00:37:19
great in that space and uh i think it's obviously easy to create a calculator app uh but creating one that feels like
00:37:27
wow this is this is this is the greatest ipad calculator app that it felt like i think we we we want to do it when we can
00:37:34
do it really really well and and we we honestly have just uh uh
00:37:39
haven't gotten around to doing it great so uh that day that day may come but uh
00:37:44
and to me you know they are saying like we haven't quite thought of or made the best one yet so
00:37:51
we just haven't made one and in my head i went you're apple
00:37:56
yeah you have it's a calculator infinite resources to make a solid calculator app and you
00:38:04
haven't done it i yeah i don't like that is apple leaner than we think i don't
00:38:09
know i think they just don't want to make a calculator app they just i mean they could obviously spin one up if they
00:38:14
wanted to but they have such high standards that for some reason none of their possible versions calculators are
00:38:20
cool enough calculators aren't cutting it and i you know i kind of see this this answer from adam along the same
00:38:27
lines like okay we're leaner than you think fine but if you wanted to make a solid instagram app i think you could i think
00:38:34
i think they could make a two-column like creator-focused you know tab on one
00:38:39
hand and then obviously a big full-screen high-resolution feed on the other i think you could see
00:38:44
full screen vertical videos and it would be no problem i think they could build an instagram app no problem but i think
00:38:49
it wouldn't be amazing and they wanted to be amazing
00:38:55
and so they just didn't do it at all now they're doing other things you're giving them a lot of credit i'm trying
00:39:01
to i'm just i'm like devil's advocate like i just want them to just make it obviously i just think there's so many
00:39:07
people whose livelihoods are based on social media posting i mean we instagram is one of those things where if you're
00:39:13
an influencer on there you can build an entire job out of that right like posting and everything to it and
00:39:18
having to do all of that like through your phone you still can't upload photos on desktop right now you can you can you
00:39:25
can now yeah but like analytics aren't that great and like scrolling through shorts or reels isn't that great you're
00:39:32
just sort of in your feed and like imagine all the people who are traveling there are so many traveling instagram
00:39:38
influencers that would much rather carry an ipad that they could do the majority of their work on rather than just a small phone it yeah i know that's still
00:39:46
and that's that is going towards what he says that like the group isn't large enough for this but i do think there's a
00:39:51
lot of people who consume media as well on top of that and it just seems like a win-win for both parties that are using
00:39:58
instagram yeah as far as surfaces that add overhead android being the biggest one
00:40:04
totally get that and they have to optimize all kinds of different versions for different resolutions and android phones and that's a lot of work and then
00:40:11
every feature that they add to instagram they also have to optimize for every version for all these different android versions it's a lot it's a lot of work
00:40:18
but the ipad is the most popular tablet in the world and it's only one version you make one
00:40:24
ipad app and it works with all of the ipads i think that would be easier yeah i think that would be easier
00:40:31
than the instagram than the android challenge uh i don't know adam come on the podcast
00:40:37
man i think here's your formal invitation i think you'd come on i think you would
00:40:42
come on yeah just to talk obviously i don't want to grill you on the one question you've answered a thousand times if we sound really nice we
00:40:48
definitely are we actually are but yeah no i think i think that would be fun because there's all kinds of creator
00:40:54
questions he's actually by the way he's one of the most transparent he's uh i have to give him a lot of credit for
00:40:59
that yeah executives of any social media platform i've talked to a couple of them i've talked to mark zuckerberg in a
00:41:06
video i've talked to a bunch of social media people you know the satya nadellas of the world even sundar pachai at google
00:41:14
uh adam on twitter ironically all the time posts new updates about things that they're working on that they are
00:41:20
planning on adding and that they are prioritizing at instagram if you're a creator and you don't follow adam on
00:41:25
twitter you're missing out on a lot of good information about how they look at instagram and how they run things and
00:41:31
how they actually think about things so i'm of course poking him on like the one thing that i can't believe they
00:41:36
haven't done yet but there's a lot of good stuff i appear i appreciate the transparency and it's not easy to be
00:41:42
transparent on social media where then a bunch of people like us can because like
00:41:48
he answered you there were like 40 articles out that day about how ipad's never getting an instagram app so like
00:41:54
just a quick little response like that and then it just kind of blows up in your face kind of so um sorry if that
00:42:01
ruined your day no i think it's i think it's it's useful information useful information appreciate that
00:42:07
uh anyway um what else we're gonna talk about oh there's another
00:42:13
we have one more thing that they they announced on instagram which is just like oh what are what are instagram's
00:42:18
priorities and then they added 3d avatars to stories and dms yeah because it's a key building block
00:42:25
for the future of personal identity in the metaverse so you know as us listen we know facebook is now
00:42:31
meta or whatever i refuse to call it that and the metaverse is a priority over there but it stings so much more
00:42:38
not really caring about that those developers and make them ipad app with them anyway also real quick adam
00:42:45
here posted r adam the better adam posted that there are 450 employees at instagram that is a
00:42:53
very small number that is leaner than i thought you are right as of 2017. as of 2017. okay but still
00:42:59
you're correct other adam that is leaner than i thought yeah but i still think
00:43:05
they could make an instagram i think they could hire a hundred more with a couple extra dollars and make an
00:43:10
instagram app that's what i'll i'll leave it at that let's take a quick break and talk games
00:43:16
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00:43:26
all right welcome back i finished my app it's done yeah is it on the app store no it got denied okay
00:43:33
yeah so no app sorry but we do have a steam deck here there you go
00:43:38
so i wanted to ask you about this resident gamer you've probably put the most gaming hours actually i don't know
00:43:45
david does play a lot but i'm also older than him so i wouldn't yeah i wanted to ask you about the steam
00:43:50
deck okay so just for those who haven't seen because i've actually gotten a lot of questions from people who see this and are like
00:43:56
what is it and should i get it yeah picture a nintendo switch one and a half times the size
00:44:03
all black tons of extra custom controls quad panel
00:44:08
pads on the back like touch pads on the front abxy buttons it's made by valve
00:44:14
it's got a full on os and it runs steam and can play games in your steam library
00:44:20
that is a steam deck yeah it's pretty cool too like joycons but like this is strictly handheld this is oh i shouldn't
00:44:27
say that you can hook this up you can with a deck that is not out yet right and then you could play with like
00:44:32
a mouse and keyboard if you really wanted to yeah but this is a portable gaming console yeah so this is like
00:44:38
really trying to actually hit we all know the switch and nintendo is genius i love it but nintendo games are generally
00:44:44
a little like lower key graphics aren't as intense it's more like fun party stuff games like that
00:44:50
mario kart mario party you know bright and colorful exactly yeah um this is trying to bring like actual pc games
00:44:58
handheld which is obviously much much much harder it's a challenge so how do
00:45:04
you feel about the concept in general of like there's some games in your steam library do you
00:45:10
ever desire to play those games away from your mouse and keyboard at all so
00:45:15
right now i'm i'm a person who plays one game pretty much at a time and i get really
00:45:22
into that right now that game's not on steam and it's a game that is very
00:45:27
it's called valorant it's a tactical shooter it's like very intense with precision of your mouse so it would be
00:45:32
impossible to play on a controller so i not really but there are games out there rocket league
00:45:39
is the main thing i think of when i think steam deck because rocket league works amazing on a controller best under control all the pros are playing on a
00:45:45
controller yep and this would work so well for that and that is on steam and i've downloaded it and it's awesome it's
00:45:51
been my best steam deck experience for sure yes and that's a very interesting point you put up because
00:45:58
there are a lot of reviews out we have not gotten a lot of time to play with this yet this is kind of like a first
00:46:03
impressions to us um i we both set it up the setup process was
00:46:09
a little tricky i think it was mostly our internet that was kind of being a problem yeah in the setup process i was having some
00:46:15
issues with the touch screen i don't think they were too crazy um typing every once in a while didn't feel great
00:46:22
um the the overall build quality of this i think is solid it's light and i think i
00:46:27
would i like that it's light versus if it was like super solid feeling because if you're going to hold this your hands
00:46:33
it's going to get tiring right um i don't like these d-pads at all they're kind of just big squares under the
00:46:39
analog sticks oh the touch of joysticks yeah are they touch pads they're they click they click but you can also use
00:46:45
them as moving a mouse and cursor around i've i guess that's in games because in the
00:46:51
regular uh steam library they do not do that they do work as d-pads but the click on them feels terrible yeah um
00:47:00
so i think this is the biggest challenge for the steam deck which is what you said at the beginning which is
00:47:06
the games you play yeah if you play a bunch of games that work best with a
00:47:11
mouse and keyboard your challenge is going to be translating that mouse and keyboard
00:47:18
control experience to some of the buttons and surfaces on
00:47:23
the steam deck and if you can do that which you do have lots of custom controls and you can map things and sort
00:47:28
of get a similar experience it won't be as precise probably but you can do stuff with the mapping
00:47:34
then you can play that mouse and keyboard game on the steam deck yeah but it will never be as good as the mouse
00:47:41
and keyboard no and i guess if you're mobile gaming you're kind of okay with that a lot of the time right um one
00:47:47
thing i noticed a lot of reviewers saying and since we had a steam library and we've only tested some we've had we
00:47:52
haven't gone through that yet but the curated list for steam deck specific
00:47:59
games was not great and i still think they added it and it's still not too good um
00:48:04
which is a problem if you're buying the steam deck and you're not on a pc because the price on 400 bucks right
00:48:10
yeah something like that i think that's a crazy good price pretty good price i think that's awesome um there are gonna people who buy this that
00:48:16
are using steam for their first time because of this and they're going to have a hard time
00:48:22
downloading games or finding games that work correctly for it or work well on it or optimize for it okay so this i think
00:48:28
is the the one other thing that's come up a lot about the steam deck as i've been using it it's been getting constant
00:48:34
software updates like major software updates like not just bug fixes but like adding features
00:48:40
and like the ability to play certain games and map certain things they've been basically building the software of
00:48:46
this thing in the background as we're using it and reviewing it i think if you were to buy one right now
00:48:52
today it would still feel pretty early and there's a lot of games that aren't
00:48:57
really well optimized there's not a lot of games that are as good as rocket league on this thing and i think if you
00:49:03
were to wait like six months and get a feel for the landscape and see how things pan out you can get a better idea
00:49:08
if the games you want to play will work well on this i mean they'll work but
00:49:14
well they work well is the question yeah and they do have something which i'm sure they'll build into their search
00:49:20
eventually where if you're in your existing steam deck or your existing steam library and you install a game
00:49:26
it'll kind of bring up this pop-up of like what works well with steam deck what doesn't work well as steam delike
00:49:32
or just what's completely just not compatible it doesn't work at all at all um yeah and
00:49:37
i found that being really interesting with some things rocket league which is like green checks down the whole thing yup cs go i'm trying to load it right
00:49:44
now because i feel like this is going to be basically impossible to play um it does work i'm on here it looks choppy
00:49:51
and playing with the controller would be almost impossible but then i was looking at a game like fall guys which i have on
00:49:57
steam feels perfect for a steam deck the issue arises is that a lot of these multiplayer games have
00:50:04
anti-cheat third-party software yep that isn't going to be compatible with this and that is one of them um so
00:50:10
so that's can you explain that so the there's games that are at a certain level of competitiveness yeah wait look
00:50:17
this is gyro yeah gyroscopic that's solid
00:50:22
control that sounds crazy precise just in the middle of us
00:50:28
talking i loaded up cs go and it's gyroscopic oh interesting okay so if i move the
00:50:35
controller that's actually an interesting way to try and do this so left analog stick is walk
00:50:42
right analog stick kind of snaps you about 90 degrees left right
00:50:47
um and then slightly moving the entire steam deck is what gives you the precision good thing
00:50:53
it's lightweight that's i mean you're never gonna actually be able to play this but it feels better
00:50:59
than and i just died and the frame rate's terrible um but yeah cs go tactical shooters are just not
00:51:05
gonna be something that's going to do that but i think my going back to what i was saying before a game like fall guys like i would kill to
00:51:12
play that sounds fun yeah yeah but the ch and eg so what is it so what does any
00:51:17
cheat there's certain games that are that are competitive enough where the developers have gone um all right we want to add anti-cheat into our game to
00:51:23
prevent people from like hacking and getting super good so they add that and that anti-cheat software is
00:51:30
only compatible with certain it's a third-party software that's running in the background after you launch the game to basically make sure you're not
00:51:36
running any programs that are known for cheating so fall guys specifically there were ones where pretty much like you
00:51:41
remember fall guys you just like it's a bunch of maps it's basically a race to the end and a bunch of different obstacles people could just like jump in
00:51:48
the air and fly over everybody and there's like a bunch of different cheats it sounds really stupid for a game like fall guys
00:51:54
because it doesn't feel that competitive but it unfortunately was just keeps it fun for everyone when that's not
00:52:00
happening everywhere yeah but so but the problem with that is now that since people were cheating they have to add
00:52:06
this software which is not compatible i believe if i go and try and do it on here
00:52:12
it just says that this game's andy g is not configured to support steam deck and still lets me install
00:52:19
but i can just assume that it's not going to let me play after that yeah so it sounds like a lot of these games
00:52:25
anti-anti-cheat software only works with like windows or linux and won't let you play if you're not using one of those
00:52:31
os's so far at least i don't i guess it will probably be up to the developers to be able to find some solution for that
00:52:38
with steam deck if it's something that will be um that they think will do well on it
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um but i'm not totally sure how they're gonna approach that fall guy is probably not being the best example now because it's much less
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popular than it used to be yeah um but yeah so that's i think there are games on here i think there's a lot of
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indie games side scrollers like stuff like that that people do really like cuphead um
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all sorts of games like that people will love to play i would love to play it on this because the screen looks great the
00:53:09
controls besides the touchpads that i don't love all feel great triggers lots of customizable buttons yeah um you
00:53:18
have noticed and we need to test this more the charging speeds have been pretty rough yeah i want to charge i
00:53:24
want to try a couple other chargers because i plugged in a 65 watt one plus charger just to the usb type c port at
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the top and it charged like 50 in in eight hours or something which was obviously not working correctly so i
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need to see if that's just a charger should i use the first party one only should i update the software and will it
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fix itself i don't know yet um but to me the most interesting part about the steam deck actually is who is
00:53:48
it for because number one it's i always find it a challenge to
00:53:54
review things that i know that i'm specifically not in the target demographic for
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and when i think of the steam deck i think of someone who wouldn't also have a nintendo switch
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so a switch is someone who's like a casual gamer who's just i mean the switch killed it
00:54:10
had great sales like people love that thing on planes they love that like under their tv
00:54:15
uh casual games all the time i think of the steam deck as someone who
00:54:20
specifically doesn't want the switch but does want to play some of those other games on the go that's how i do
00:54:27
think it could convert switch users because i think there are a lot of switch users who play more intense games
00:54:34
at home but that aren't available mobile so this switch the switch they're just
00:54:39
playing a different style of game not to say there aren't some competitive games on switch or whatever but in general
00:54:46
like i i play valorum but when we go on a plane i'm gonna bring my switch and i'm just gonna play mario kart for like
00:54:51
eight hours on the plane if you had a steam deck i'd rather play rocket league okay yeah that's interesting i think
00:54:57
that's online but still there are other games out there that i think i would rather play on this
00:55:02
than i would on that and i do think there will be people converting and then if i could bring this set it up with a
00:55:07
mouse and keyboard in my hotel room and play valerian i know that couldn't be it
00:55:12
or cs go or something like that that sounds kind of awesome yeah because then at that point you don't also bring
00:55:18
a gaming laptop you just bring the steam deck and maybe a couple extra little accessories yeah okay 400 bucks is a
00:55:24
killer price that's true exactly you're not going to get a gaming laptop so there you go you're not going to get a chromebook
00:55:31
that's that's a sad fact um okay well yeah i'm gonna keep testing this thing out i'm gonna play a bunch of
00:55:37
different games like i suggested in the youtube short tell me what games i should play specifically on it because
00:55:42
i've played rocket league and i like it a lot i'm gonna try some other stuff that's a good point yeah working on the
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review game suggestions for sure i know there's 10 000 like indie games out there on steam that are still like fun
00:55:55
stuff like cuphead um that we should play because get get out of
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the comfort zone a little bit to do this because this review is just going to be out of the comfort zone for sure exactly
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awesome i'll try it well until then make sure you're subscribed to of course the shorts
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channel but also the main channel and also the waveform channel and also this waveform chip clips channel and also the
00:56:17
studio channel yeah other than that i don't have much else to say it's been an interesting week thanks for listening to the wave forum
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