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Then they got to California stuff for OS
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10.9. Okay. Mavericks, Yoseite, El
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Capitan.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Okay, great.
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>> California.
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>> Sierra.
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>> Hi, Sierra.
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>> California. California.
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>> Mojave.
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>> California.
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>> Catalina.
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>> California.
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>> Big su. Now we're just obscure.
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Monterey.
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>> Monteray is not obscure.
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>> Ventur is Ventura is not obscure.
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>> Honestly didn't know Ventura was a place
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>> because you guys are not from
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California.
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>> Exactly.
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>> It is a little obscure. Most people
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aren't from California.
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>> No, but then actually statistically in
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the United States,
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>> most people are from California.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> I'm David.
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>> So, we've got a big week for you. It's
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the week before WWDC. So, we'll have
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some predictions, some stuff to talk
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about. We've got a lot of watch talk
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also. Uh Apple silicon competitors are
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starting to pop up and uh this is part
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of a bunch of stuff that's competing
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with Apple's world, but Nvidia RTX
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Spark, we got to talk about that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And then Google is letting website
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owners opt out of AI overviews and some
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Microsoft news. So, let's just dive
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right in.
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>> All right.
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do your dishes. So, you can just wait
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until the bell goes off and then you go
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do your dishes.
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>> Yeah. And if you're subscribed, you'll
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always get here before the chapters
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break. That's right. That's very
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important.
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>> Y
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>> uh but first,
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>> did they even test this?
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>> I think Ellis has one for us today.
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>> I do. And I'm kind of nervous cuz I sort
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of feel like whenever I have a Did they
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even test this? It's just on me. Like,
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and
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>> did you even Google this?
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>> I have a few videos the case, but but
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you know. Okay. So, I have been trying
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to uh broaden my world view. And by
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that, I mean uh use non-Apple products
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>> more and more lately. And uh you know,
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eagle-eyed viewers of the podcast may
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have noticed I've had a series of
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different garments on my wrist for the
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past few weeks. Today, it's the Fenix 8
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OLED dinner plate edition. Uh I
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>> think solar, right?
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>> Not solar, the AMOLED. Um AMOLED X uh
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Ben 10. Um because this thing is
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ginormous. Uh uh but um and I don't know
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if other Garmin users do this. One thing
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that I really like about the Garmin, I
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think maybe is that you when you do
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strength workouts, you can put sets,
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reps,
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>> exercises, weights in
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>> and then it's like
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>> nice thighs or whatever. I don't I don't
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know. To be honest, I can't figure out
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how to use the data.
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>> Fractured thigh data.
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>> I've never used that. I've used Garmin
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for years and the sets and rep thinging
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I always just my strength workouts I
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essentially set up a bunch of different
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cardio workouts with just names of what
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I'm doing that day so I just know the
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general
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>> so that's what I've been doing for a
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long time too but I was curious if I
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could get some sort of insight into I
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don't know I even saying this out loud
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I'm like dude what are you doing but um
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I was just curious about the whole the
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whole platform and uh um when you're
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doing upper body workouts it's
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reasonably accurate like I would It gets
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the right exercise 75%
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of the time and gets the reps right
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about 50% of the time. I do like the
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interface on the AMOLED Fenix. Uh it
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makes it very easy to like change
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>> what how many sets of reps. But
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after workout, if you would like to
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correct Garmin's mistakes, you must do
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it in the Garmin Connect app, which is
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already uh not awesome.
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>> It's an app.
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>> Um it's an app. It is a app. Um but the
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thing that I is my did they even test
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this is I have found the search bar to
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when you want to correct a work an
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exercise to search for the correct
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exercise is the most difficult to use
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search bar I have ever used in my entire
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life. I don't know I cannot figure out
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the keyword logic. I cannot figure out
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anything about it.
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>> Have you searched in Gmail recently?
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>> I it's so much worse than Gmail. Like
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so, so yesterday
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I was doing onelegged leg presses with
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like a stability pad and I had given up
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I knew there was not going to be a
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stabil stability pad option, right? I'm
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in PT. I'm fixing my ankles. I'm fixing
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my calves.
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>> And uh so I was like, okay. So I Googled
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leg or excuse me, I put leg into the
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search bar. Nothing came up. I put press
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>> into the search bar. 50 million options
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came up obviously because of all the
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press. doesn't make sense.
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>> I put leg press into the search bar and
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leg press showed up. Not what I'm
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looking for. I did onelegged leg press.
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So, I put one leg, nothing again. I put
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one in, nothing comes up. I put one arm
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just because I put single, nothing. It's
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just like I literally cannot figure out
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for the life of me how to find any
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exercises in this.
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>> And then it's compounded by the fact
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that like I'm what I think a lot of
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people would call like a fitness
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like I really don't I'm still like
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learning what I'm doing in the gym. Um
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which I think makes me a great candidate
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for a product like this, but I'll be
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like I don't know what this exercise is
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called. And then I'll try to I'll like
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go into Google and be like exercise
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where you're on one foot and you take
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the thing and you swing it and like you
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know like and it'll just be like that's
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a Czechoslovakian
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double triple
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>> Bulgarian Bulgarian like
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>> actually to Garmin's credit Bulgarian
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split squats are in the app and that was
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>> those are very common though.
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>> If you search Bulgarian it does actually
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come up.
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>> That is like the hardest exercise you
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could possibly do.
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I fall over every time.
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>> Oh, have you guys used the the hydro
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tube with those? In my PT, they gave
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they give you
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>> Is that for balance?
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>> It's it's sick, Marquez.
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>> I I'm picturing something, but I want
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you to describe it.
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>> Okay. Picture like a 4ft hot dog filled
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with 15 to 30 lbs of liquid depending on
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how much it's like filled that day.
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>> And it's slloshing around. And so you
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put it over your shoulders like
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>> That sounds sweet. That sounds awesome.
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>> Barbell, is that what that's called?
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Boom. Like a barbell.
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>> And then not only do you have the weight
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of the water, but it's slloshing around.
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So, you have to activate your core and
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your shins.
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>> I need a foot.
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>> I need a 4 foot barbell filled with
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water.
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>> Sounds really useful.
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>> It was sick, but obviously there's no
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way to put that in your in your garment
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either. Um, anyway, so I would like to
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amend this. Did they even test this to
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um
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>> Please help. I mean, to be fair, someone
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tweet at me and tell me what I'm doing
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wrong, cuz it it can't it has to be me,
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right? Like, there's no way this premier
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fitness app has is this.
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>> I think it's a little bit of both. The
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thing is there's there's it's all about
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like you say, you're a beginner and
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there's people who are more advanced.
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Like, every exercise has a variation and
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a different name. And to some extent, I
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just kind of lump a lot of different
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exercises into into like a bigger
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category because it almost doesn't
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matter when I'm logging it. So if
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something is just in PT, I'll just label
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it all as PT and whatever edge I just
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>> or like
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>> if leg press was still in there. Even
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though you're doing single leg leg press
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with a whatever, I'd probably just label
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it leg press. But you prove that the
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search function is broken because you
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typed in
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>> leg press.
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>> You typed in leg and nothing came up,
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right? And then you press
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come up.
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>> But and it's like also it's like am I
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crazy? Like I feel like a single leg a
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single leg leg press is not like a
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arcane mysterious exercise.
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>> No pretty common.
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>> Yeah. So anyway, I guess I also without
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turning this into the waveform fitness
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podcast, uh when you guys are tracking
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strength stuff, are you looking at macro
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data like like data across large periods
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of time? Because that was my thing is
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like if I log all these workouts after a
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month, I will hopefully see some sort of
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macro trends that I'm interested in. But
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I'm curious. I don't even know what I'm
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looking for.
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>> What kind of data are you trying to look
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for?
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>> I don't know. I'm just I was sort of
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>> passive overload kind of thing.
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>> I was just sort of hoping I would log it
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and then the Garmin app would be like
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here's what you need to know. But it
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doesn't seem like it's ever going to be
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like here's what you need.
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>> I highly doubt the Garmin app is tuned
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to actually give you advice.
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>> Okay.
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>> It's probably just for hard data.
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>> I wouldn't be surprised if it's coming
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soon though with some sort of AI
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coaching because of their screenless
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band that's rumored for this year.
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>> Garmin has fighter jet money. Why do
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they need me to pay a subscription?
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That's ridiculous.
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>> But the Fitbit Air keeps winning. Keep
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stays winning.
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>> One more thing about about fitness.
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>> Okay.
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>> I successfully heard from one of my
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friends, and I don't know if this was
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the intended result. One of my non-
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techy friends. She said that we
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successfully deinfluenced her from
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buying a Fitbit Air.
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>> You know what's funny about That's so
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funny. I just got back from uh
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California for an unnamed shoot. But
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while I was there,
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>> yeah, you guys will find out soon enough
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what that was for. But while I was
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there,
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>> probably four or five people between the
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airports I was at and all the events
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that I went to said they pointed at the
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Fitbit on the wrist and they said, "I
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got this because of you."
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>> Really?
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>> Oh my god.
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>> And it was a lot of Fitbits and I was
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surprised at how many Fitbits, but yeah,
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>> they're apparently selling like an
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insane amount. It's the perfect price
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for a splurge. Like a Okay, I'll I'll do
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a Whoop you have to think about.
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>> Or for everyone thinking about a Whoop
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and then saw that and we're like
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>> No, I was saying the opposite. Like she
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was going to buy one until she listened
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to the Wave.
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>> That's what I was expecting more of.
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>> What was the reason that she didn't buy
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it cuz the app is so bad?
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>> Cuz we said it didn't work.
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>> Well, it works, but that the Gemini
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>> Yeah, it was that it was that the the
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whole app experience was just
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>> I mean, it's so I've read so many
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people's reviews at this point. Like
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Christian Selig put a blog post out
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about it. His takeaway was exactly the
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same. It was like, "This is a really,
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really great product that the app
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doesn't really work at all, but it's
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still a great product." And that was my
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take away, too. It's just weird. It's
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weird that I can still recommend it and
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also really enjoy it and also be like,
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"The app is crap."
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>> As long as it does the basics, that's
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all I care about. Google wants me to
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care about the AI coaching. I don't like
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cool, that's cute that it's there, but I
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just want to know if I took this many
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steps today. And like, it does that. So,
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yeah,
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>> it's it's a good product, but the app is
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very
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>> Yeah. Well, speaking of Fitbit, um this
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is convenient because this was next on
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our list. So, Fitbit has seen all the
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people that have been I guess Google has
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seen that the people that have been
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talking about the Fitbit Air, there's a
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there's this trend going around on
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social media where people are attaching
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traditional watches to the Fitbit Air
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strap.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Which looks pretty cool. Um a lot of
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sometimes it doesn't look quite right,
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but sometimes it looks okay. They're
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doing it by flipping the tracker part
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goes on the underside of their wrist and
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then looped through. Adam, am I saying
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this? NATO style for some of them, which
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just means that
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>> it slips through the lugs right on a
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watch.
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>> Yeah. Actually, sorry. I got to
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>> I I freaking love standards. And if I
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I'm going to fact check this out the
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episode because it's something I'm
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>> I'm pretty sure the NATO strap is like
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unbelievably specified. Like they're all
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exactly the same. so that countries in
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NATO can just buy insane bulk orders of
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straps and know they fit all military
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watches that they wear.
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>> It's like it's part of the insane like
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one of the big points of NATO is being
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able to like bulk order everything to
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like these insane standards and like
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share everything and then this random
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watch strap is just one of the cool
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standardized things we got out of that.
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Sorry, I love
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>> standards.
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>> North Atlantic Treaty Organization, we
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love it. So anyway, uh Dan Sea, who used
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to work at the Verge, now works at
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Google, shared a photo online of him
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using a traditional watch attached to
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his Fitbit Air.
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>> A Timex Marlin.
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>> Timex Marlin.
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>> Beautiful watch.
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>> Marlin is a fish. Um just so you guys
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know,
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>> and it looked pretty cool. Adam asked
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him, "Does this actually work?" Because
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a lot of people need to flip the Fitbit
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Air upside down and then it kind of goes
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against your wrist. Instead of the top
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of your wrist, it's at the bottom of
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your wrist. Yeah. and he said it's not
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officially supported but it works fine
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which is very interesting very
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surprising
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and so as of yesterday actually as of
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this morning Fitbit put out official
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specifications for the Fitbit Air so
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that anybody can make adapters can make
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straps can make you know bicep
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attachments or whatever which is amazing
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is what we were predicting
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>> well we were predicting that the third
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party market would exist regardless of
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if Google officially
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allowed it to exist
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>> and then Google went let me make that a
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little easier for you.
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>> Yeah, I think that they saw the things
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that people were doing with it and they
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were like, you know what, we're going to
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officially make this work and so that's
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very very very exciting because uh we
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are all kind of wrist maxing right now.
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We've been just like testing.
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>> Speak for yourself. Show the camera.
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Okay, show the camera cuz this is
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>> Well, this is what you did last week.
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>> This is what I was doing last week.
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Exactly. Almost the same. You have the
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bulky Apple Watch. I had the
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>> Yeah, the smaller one,
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>> the series 11, but yeah, the triple. Why
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are you Why do you have all three on
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now?
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>> Okay, so because after I put out my um
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Fitbit Air review on my blog, uh Whoop
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freaked out and they emailed me and they
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were like, "Can you just try it?" And I
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was like, "I'll try it." And to be fair,
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I should try it because I shouldn't be
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comparing it to Whoop if I hadn't tried
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it. Like that's the reason you're trying
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the Whoop, too.
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>> Yep.
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>> And so I'm giving it a shot for like a
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couple of weeks. Um and yeah, wub is
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>> that's how they get.
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>> We'll see. We'll see.
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>> $300 a year after that. I'm not paying
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that money, dude. There's no way.
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There's no way. It doesn't matter how
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good it is. Um Yeah. And then Dubdub's
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coming up next week, so I have to wear
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the Ultra, so I'm just like I'm just
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fitness maxing right now.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um anyway, so yeah, I'm very excited for
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the strap ecosystems to sort of blow up
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for this. Like we said before, we'd love
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like bicep straps. We would love like
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just different types of watch adapters
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because we really want traditional
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watches to be able to be smart but still
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be traditional watches. Adam, are you
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wearing your traditional watch on top of
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your Fitbit Air?
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>> Absolutely not. I'm not a psycho. It's
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fine to just wear two things.
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>> Is it okay, man?
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>> It's okay as long as they're both not
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watches. Like the issue with the smart
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watches was that I would have a regular
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watch on my left hand and then a
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smartwatch on my right hand, which I
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only want for tracking, but it also
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tells the time. So now I'm like dual
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wristing for no real reason. But that's
00:14:38
the beauty of like the Whoop and the
00:14:39
Fitbit and the Amaze Fit. Like all these
00:14:40
things are just straps. Like it's fine.
00:14:42
It's just another accessory like a
00:14:43
bracelet that I wear on the off hand.
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And then on my regular hand, I'll just
00:14:47
wear my typical watch.
00:14:48
>> Hearing you say that makes me feel less
00:14:51
self-conscious about it cuz I I I don't
00:14:53
want to wear two things. I just want to
00:14:54
wear one. Not even wearing an Apple
00:14:55
Watch.
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>> I'm not even wearing the Apple Watch
00:14:57
right now. As long as it's not two of
00:14:58
the same thing. That's where I'm like I
00:15:00
get torn off.
00:15:01
>> I was like I had what David had. I had
00:15:03
three things at once, which is obviously
00:15:04
insane. But if I have one watch on, see
00:15:08
the thing is it's just one they're over
00:15:10
overlapped a lot. So like the
00:15:11
functionality of an Apple Watch and the
00:15:12
functionality of a traditional watch
00:15:13
overlap massively. So it looks silly.
00:15:16
But if you just have a fitness tracker
00:15:17
on, but you also have an Apple Watch, I
00:15:19
think everyone also is aware that
00:15:21
they're both fitness trackers because
00:15:22
the Apple Watch is a fitness tracker to
00:15:24
some extent, too. So, it still feels
00:15:26
silly, but they do look different enough
00:15:29
that it's okay.
00:15:30
>> I think that's why people like the the
00:15:32
straps. Totally agree. Like, it can be
00:15:34
on your other wrist. I don't It probably
00:15:36
could be on the same wrist, but I'd
00:15:37
probably put it on two different ones. I
00:15:38
was
00:15:39
>> the whole flipping it on the bottom part
00:15:41
of your wrist, though. Not only I mean
00:15:43
I'm wondering how accurate it is but
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also
00:15:47
>> who cares about the accuracy that much
00:15:48
if it's at least consistently inaccurate
00:15:51
which is what we talked about.
00:15:53
>> I just think that seems really
00:15:54
uncomfortable to have when you're like
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>> maybe I'm a nerd and just typing at a
00:15:59
computer all day. That feels awful.
00:16:01
That's why my Garmin always had a Velcro
00:16:04
strap. That's why I really don't like
00:16:06
bulky metal clasps on the bottom of
00:16:08
watches. So to have a whole tracker
00:16:11
there feels like a lot.
00:16:12
>> Yeah, that is not comfortable, I will
00:16:14
say.
00:16:14
>> Yeah, I don't think so. But
00:16:16
>> definitely more comfortable to be on the
00:16:17
top.
00:16:17
>> It's kind of Yeah, it looks kind of
00:16:18
wild, but uh you know, the fact that
00:16:20
people are doing it, it seems kind of
00:16:22
fun. Um I don't know if that will
00:16:24
actually be a thing a lot of people do.
00:16:27
>> I just Googled it real quick cuz I was
00:16:29
curious and this is the AI overview, but
00:16:31
it does make a lot of sense of why it's
00:16:33
advised not to wear it on the bottom of
00:16:35
your wrist. the optical sensor, since
00:16:36
it's optical, it's just about like
00:16:39
having a seal with the light. So, it's
00:16:40
just a thing up against your wrist and
00:16:42
it's pointing at your wrist
00:16:44
>> flat.
00:16:44
>> When you wear it underneath your wrist,
00:16:46
the tendons
00:16:48
>> running through your fingers
00:16:49
>> uh cause a lot of light leak because you
00:16:51
move those tendons a lot and move your
00:16:52
fingers and so it can introduce a lot of
00:16:55
noise or light leak in that sensor dam.
00:16:57
>> Makes sense.
00:16:57
>> Watching tendons is kind of crazy.
00:16:59
>> Yeah. So that's all I get that that may
00:17:02
be noisier and a little bit less
00:17:05
reliable for the fitness track.
00:17:07
>> That's not what I was expecting. But I
00:17:08
do remember in I think it was Dezfit's
00:17:12
review
00:17:14
uh he said that the Fitbit Air one thing
00:17:16
is because it is thinner than the Whoop.
00:17:18
An issue sometimes was that because the
00:17:21
tracker is so close to the edge if it
00:17:22
seemed to kind of poke up the light leak
00:17:25
inside of that could screw it up. Where
00:17:26
the Whoop is so much wider. there's less
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of a chance of light leak coming in.
00:17:30
>> Yeah, that makes sense.
00:17:31
>> Interesting. I would have thought that.
00:17:32
I almost would have thought, "Oh, my
00:17:33
veins. I can see on the bottom. Can it
00:17:34
read my heart rate through my veins?"
00:17:36
But that's just not how it works.
00:17:38
>> Yeah, it makes it makes intuitive sense
00:17:39
cuz like, oh, you feel your pulse there,
00:17:41
so like obviously you should still be
00:17:42
able to get my heart rate, but yeah, the
00:17:43
there's a bunch more that you're
00:17:44
reading, too. So,
00:17:45
>> yeah,
00:17:45
>> the optical sensor also needs more like
00:17:48
muscle tissue, I believe. So like that's
00:17:50
why the bicep straps are so popular
00:17:52
because there's a lot of like muscle
00:17:53
there for the optical sensor to read
00:17:55
from versus the wrist which is like you
00:17:57
said Mark has a bunch of tendons and
00:17:59
stuff.
00:17:59
>> Yeah, that would work for me if I had
00:18:01
bias muscles.
00:18:02
>> All right, so we don't
00:18:03
>> you're TALKING
00:18:08
ARMS. I just I don't It'll just fall
00:18:09
off. I don't know.
00:18:10
>> Your arms are bigger than mine, Marcus.
00:18:12
>> You're fine. So, Adam will not be doing
00:18:14
the uh
00:18:15
>> No, it's also just like it introduces
00:18:17
another layer of friction for me because
00:18:19
I change watches a lot. Like there are
00:18:21
times when I'll get home from work and
00:18:23
like part of my routine is switching out
00:18:24
a watch to like an at home watch, you
00:18:26
know?
00:18:27
>> I know Marquez. It's crazy, but that's
00:18:29
part Well, so like I
00:18:31
>> I get home, I plug in my phone, I put my
00:18:34
Pixel Watch on so that I can leave my
00:18:36
phone in the other room charging and I
00:18:37
still get messages. So, like that's part
00:18:39
of my thing. I will say this new Fitbit
00:18:41
accessory like uh specifications going
00:18:43
out for more people to do it I think is
00:18:46
what seems whoop is like you can get
00:18:49
different color bands you can get
00:18:50
different color hardware the hardware is
00:18:52
only that metal clasp right
00:18:55
>> how easy the Fitbit Air is to pop out
00:18:57
into another band and having multiples
00:18:59
of them is so sick and when there's a
00:19:02
thousand different versions of that
00:19:04
>> I miss that
00:19:05
>> for probably under 30 bucks is like
00:19:07
awesome to be able to When's the Fitbit
00:19:10
underwear coming?
00:19:11
>> I don't think that's going to happen.
00:19:12
>> Someone's already working on it.
00:19:13
>> Are you doing a review on it?
00:19:14
>> No, but if it helps make it happen,
00:19:17
maybe
00:19:17
>> we made duct tape. That's all I got to
00:19:19
say.
00:19:19
>> That's true.
00:19:20
>> Do whatever you want.
00:19:20
>> True.
00:19:21
>> Speaking of uh regular watches that can
00:19:23
be smart in some ways.
00:19:25
>> Yes. Speaking of not watchaxing,
00:19:28
>> but maybe watching
00:19:28
>> semi watch maxing.
00:19:29
>> Semi-watch maxing.
00:19:31
>> I was going to say there's been a it's
00:19:33
been a long time since there was no
00:19:34
Garmin on this podcast, but Ellis is now
00:19:37
the Garmin user. I've been wearing one
00:19:39
for like three years straight pretty
00:19:41
much,
00:19:41
>> but I took it off and now I have.
00:19:44
>> What?
00:19:44
>> This is the Casio F91W.
00:19:50
>> I've never been a Casio fan, but I saw
00:19:52
this video the other day.
00:19:53
>> Rise up.
00:19:54
>> I don't have a problem with Casio. I
00:19:55
think they're sick. I love
00:19:56
>> I've just never worn one or I don't have
00:19:58
the nostalgia for one, but I got this
00:19:59
video on my recommended the other day
00:20:01
called a new kind of smartwatch by Cam
00:20:03
Shand and I sent it to Adam and then
00:20:05
wounded up watching myself. But this
00:20:07
company called Aliwatch makes a
00:20:09
replacement board that can fit inside
00:20:12
these Casios that are like $25.
00:20:15
>> Yeah.
00:20:16
>> And essentially turn it into a
00:20:17
smartwatch. Now, I'm going to use
00:20:19
smartwatch in extreme quotes here
00:20:21
because
00:20:22
>> it is a smartwatch that simultaneously
00:20:25
this person who's running the project
00:20:26
has done a million things for and it
00:20:28
still does almost nothing.
00:20:29
>> Yeah. What does it how do you
00:20:31
>> Let me explain really quick on how I do
00:20:33
it. you you essentially open the watch
00:20:35
up, replace the board completely. So, it
00:20:37
keeps the original screen, the original
00:20:39
uh LED light,
00:20:40
>> okay?
00:20:41
>> All the original things, and then it
00:20:43
puts a new board, and that gives it
00:20:44
Bluetooth capabilities that now lets it
00:20:46
your phone control the board. So, I can
00:20:49
>> connect to my phone via Bluetooth and
00:20:51
give it a bunch of different features.
00:20:53
Now, some of these features, you know,
00:20:54
it's there's still no vibration motor.
00:20:57
There's still no
00:20:57
>> I'm curious what features you
00:20:58
>> heart rate sensor, uh heart rate sensor.
00:21:01
So,
00:21:01
>> time zones.
00:21:02
>> It can do time zones. It can
00:21:04
automatically sync times with your
00:21:05
phone. Pretty cool. It can use It does
00:21:08
have a gesture mode, which means I have
00:21:10
a step tracker now on it, which is
00:21:13
pretty cool. Probably wildly inaccurate.
00:21:16
>> Yeah. So, it's kind of hacking into the
00:21:17
fact that it has a gesture like an
00:21:20
accelerometer to detect something.
00:21:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think the new board has an
00:21:23
accelerometer. Should you compare the
00:21:24
steps to your phone steps? Like what?
00:21:26
>> I should if I should honestly probably
00:21:27
wear my Garmin for like a day and do it
00:21:29
just cuz I almost never carry my phone
00:21:32
with me. I leave it all the time. Um to
00:21:34
see what that is. I'm almost positive.
00:21:36
It does have a stopwatch and an alarm
00:21:38
which the Casio has already, but since
00:21:40
it's connected to my phone, I can set it
00:21:41
up in my phone and it can mark things
00:21:44
after I've done them. So if I do a if I
00:21:47
run the stopwatch and then stop it, it
00:21:49
tracks that in the app and I can go back
00:21:51
and edit what that may have been. Okay,
00:21:53
>> which is pretty cool. These are all the
00:21:55
different faces that you can activate or
00:21:57
not activate. You can just go up and
00:21:59
down through all the different I have my
00:22:00
step counter, stopwatch, timer, alarm.
00:22:02
That's all I carry.
00:22:03
>> Those are those are faces.
00:22:04
>> These are different faces. There's like
00:22:06
>> you can play blackjack.
00:22:07
>> Heart rate,
00:22:09
>> heart rate, temperature.
00:22:10
>> Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
00:22:11
>> Blackjack on the watch.
00:22:12
>> You can play blackjack.
00:22:13
>> That's crazy.
00:22:14
>> The heart rate is
00:22:15
>> You monitor your heart rate while you
00:22:16
play blackjack? Uh, I don't think so
00:22:19
because I'm pretty sure the way the
00:22:20
heart rate works on this is it starts a
00:22:22
timer where you hold your neck, count
00:22:24
the t the amount of pulses, and then it
00:22:26
calculates for you what your heart rate
00:22:27
is.
00:22:28
>> Oh my gosh.
00:22:29
>> Very hacky way of doing it. Temperature
00:22:31
I have found basically says 100 all of
00:22:33
the time cuz it's definitely just my
00:22:35
skin temperature. Um, there's I can one
00:22:38
thing that's cool is it can change the
00:22:40
RGB the LED to full RGB all of the
00:22:43
different things. There's things like
00:22:44
raise to wake. Um, the reason I think
00:22:47
it's so cool is I love tinkering.
00:22:50
Putting this together was super fun,
00:22:51
even though it only took like 10
00:22:52
minutes. The the board is 50 bucks. I
00:22:55
believe it's by a singular person in
00:22:57
Canada making and sending all of these
00:22:58
out to the point where if you look for
00:23:01
shipping updates, he just says they will
00:23:03
be shipped out in a week. And by that, I
00:23:04
mean, I ship all of them on Friday. So,
00:23:07
no matter when you order it, it will
00:23:08
ship out on Friday. That's how small
00:23:10
this is. Um, but he did release a road
00:23:12
map that looks like he is trying to add
00:23:15
notifications
00:23:17
in Q2 this year.
00:23:18
>> Just for you, Andrew.
00:23:19
>> Just for me, I don't know how he's going
00:23:20
to do it. There's no vibration motor.
00:23:22
Probably through a chime or I'm hoping
00:23:25
the LED or some sort of uh symbol on the
00:23:29
watch, but um
00:23:30
>> yeah, I have three Casios and none of
00:23:32
them are supported unfortunately, but um
00:23:35
this is an official plea to please
00:23:36
support them.
00:23:37
>> Which ones do you have out there? I
00:23:39
definitely have the AE1200 world timer.
00:23:42
Uh, and then my most recent one I don't
00:23:44
know the model number of, but um, if you
00:23:46
are the Ollie, what is it? Ollie Ollie
00:23:49
watch. Ollie watch. If you're the watch
00:23:50
guy, email me and I'll tell you.
00:23:53
>> David Evkd.com.
00:23:54
>> Yeah, it works with a couple different
00:23:55
ones. Casio's got a million different
00:23:57
watches. Um, I'm definitely missing
00:23:59
quite a few features on my Garmin.
00:24:00
Ellis, I don't know if you've gotten
00:24:02
used to the flashlight on your Fenix
00:24:04
yet.
00:24:04
>> No. If you double tap the top left
00:24:07
button, it should activate a flashlight.
00:24:11
>> And oh my gosh,
00:24:13
>> the best part about it is if you scroll
00:24:15
down, it can be a red flashlight.
00:24:17
>> It is
00:24:19
>> primo for like waking up in the middle
00:24:21
of the night and having to go to the
00:24:22
bathroom without tripping over
00:24:23
everything, but also without blinding
00:24:24
yourself.
00:24:25
>> That's awesome.
00:24:26
>> It's weirdly the thing I miss the most.
00:24:28
>> Funny.
00:24:28
>> Walking Zuzu at night in winter when I'm
00:24:30
picking up her poop when she just went
00:24:32
in some leaves that I don't know where
00:24:34
it landed. That flashlight is so clutch.
00:24:35
>> It's so good. I miss that so much. I'm
00:24:37
going to miss um I leave my phone places
00:24:40
all the time. People in this office can
00:24:42
can uh
00:24:43
>> the amount of times I've seen it in the
00:24:45
bathroom.
00:24:47
>> Um so they say they're not in the road
00:24:49
map. They are not going to try and add
00:24:51
like ping your phone. But if they
00:24:52
somehow get notifications going, this
00:24:55
with maybe a a Fitbit error might be my
00:24:58
new go-to.
00:24:59
>> Not a Whoop.
00:25:00
>> No. that
00:25:02
>> I said I'm not gonna say anything bad
00:25:03
about Whoop today to myself. That's
00:25:05
where I end this right now.
00:25:06
>> Wait, so why do you need it to be smart
00:25:09
if you also have the Fibbit error?
00:25:12
>> Track, health tracking, sleep tracking.
00:25:14
>> But the Fibbit Air also does all the
00:25:15
tracking that that can do.
00:25:16
>> This does like no tracking. It does step
00:25:18
tracking.
00:25:19
>> So what do you want that for?
00:25:20
>> Tells time.
00:25:21
>> But then why do you need the smartboard?
00:25:23
Notifications.
00:25:23
>> Notifications
00:25:24
>> is what he really wants.
00:25:26
>> Yeah,
00:25:26
>> I'm okay. You're I have a bone to pick
00:25:30
with all Why is everyone so against
00:25:31
notifications on Fitbit Air?
00:25:33
>> There's two because I don't
00:25:35
>> You can turn it off. You got I feel like
00:25:36
everyone here is actively asking to not
00:25:39
include like it already has the
00:25:41
capability to do this cuz it has a
00:25:42
vibration motor. So asking for it not to
00:25:44
have it is just asking for it to not
00:25:46
have a feature because you don't want it
00:25:48
>> significantly reduce the battery life.
00:25:49
Number one. Number two, the whole point
00:25:51
of a screenless device is that you want
00:25:53
to forget about it.
00:25:55
>> It's just going to remind you all the
00:25:56
time that it's there. Yeah. Or turn it
00:25:58
off if you don't want to use it. Why
00:26:00
would you not want the feature to have
00:26:01
the option to turn it on for people who
00:26:03
would want it?
00:26:04
>> I do think that having the option is
00:26:06
nice and
00:26:07
>> we should have more customizability
00:26:09
options like that. But this is my point.
00:26:12
>> I think that it's almost a useless
00:26:15
feature because there is no screen. You
00:26:18
will only be able to know what one
00:26:20
notification is. Yeah.
00:26:20
>> Yeah. As your phone vibrating in your
00:26:22
pocket.
00:26:22
>> Yeah. It's like you can't I mean do like
00:26:26
one vibrate for text, two for phone.
00:26:28
Maybe
00:26:28
>> one vibrate for text, constant vibrate
00:26:30
for ring. That's literally all
00:26:31
>> it's actually less information because
00:26:32
the phone does do different vibrations
00:26:34
for different apps and the Fitbit
00:26:36
probably wouldn't.
00:26:37
>> If it did one for a text and keep going
00:26:40
for a ring, that's literally all I want
00:26:42
cuz that's the only notifications that I
00:26:44
feel like are enough for me to be like,
00:26:46
"Oh, I feel like that's all it needs.
00:26:48
Just give me phone calls and text me.
00:26:49
Here's my plea to Google. You want more
00:26:52
of my information? Don't Don't you want
00:26:54
to track my phones and text messages
00:26:57
notifications?
00:26:57
>> They have other Fitbits, too, that have
00:26:59
like more or less screen.
00:27:01
>> Somebody said that the like Charge 6 has
00:27:03
a screen, but it's still kind of small,
00:27:04
but I think it still is really bulky
00:27:06
compared to this. Plus, the like
00:27:08
different straps are way lower profile
00:27:10
that you can swap out where the Charge
00:27:12
6, you can't do that.
00:27:13
>> Feels like uh adding features back to a
00:27:15
minimalist phone.
00:27:16
>> Yeah.
00:27:17
>> Where it's like
00:27:18
>> that's a good analogy.
00:27:19
>> Yes. You do want to be able to do more
00:27:23
stuff, but the people are getting the
00:27:25
less capable version on purpose.
00:27:27
>> Did we just get to the point where
00:27:28
Marquez is
00:27:29
>> I'm not vouching for minimal phone. I
00:27:31
don't want But I'm saying the reason
00:27:33
that people go for the minimalist phone
00:27:35
cuz when I see a minimalist phone, I'm
00:27:36
like just get a regular phone and use it
00:27:39
less. That's what my brain says. But
00:27:41
yeah, that's that's probably
00:27:44
>> it. Seems wild to not want it when it
00:27:46
has everything it needs for it already.
00:27:48
It feels like you're not giving us
00:27:49
something just for the sake of not
00:27:51
giving it to us.
00:27:51
>> It's like a books pommo. Just put a
00:27:53
cellular radio on it. Just do it.
00:27:55
>> I think just because you can do
00:27:57
something doesn't mean you should.
00:27:59
>> Yeah.
00:27:59
>> Disagree with all you. And you all sound
00:28:01
pretty anti-consumer right now. And I
00:28:04
think the comments will agree with me
00:28:05
because of how smug I said saying that.
00:28:07
Therefore, now they disagree with me.
00:28:10
>> Okay. So, okay. Here's a counter counter
00:28:12
counterpoint. Every time you make a
00:28:14
point, I make a counter point. That's a
00:28:15
straightland manifesto lyric
00:28:16
>> that you tweeted six years ago. Um,
00:28:18
okay.
00:28:18
>> That will come out in six years.
00:28:20
>> Yeah, it's still it's still not out.
00:28:22
Anyway, uh, counter point counter
00:28:24
counter counter point is that
00:28:26
>> the a lot of people don't know how to
00:28:29
look in their settings,
00:28:31
>> right?
00:28:31
>> So, you're saying like a feature you can
00:28:33
turn off
00:28:34
>> if it was if it was opt in.
00:28:36
>> I'm I sorry, I was whispering that as
00:28:39
Marquez was saying something before. Oh,
00:28:40
>> it can be default off. Okay.
00:28:42
>> I don't care. Yeah.
00:28:43
>> All right. If people don't want to
00:28:44
default it as off, add it as a feature
00:28:46
later. People have it already. They're
00:28:47
not used to it. Give me it later.
00:28:48
>> If there's a big flashing red button
00:28:50
that says, "If you turn this on, your
00:28:52
battery life will be worse and your life
00:28:54
will get worse."
00:28:56
>> Then yeah, I guess so. I guess I
00:28:57
>> And you bought the wrong Fitbit.
00:28:59
>> Yeah, return it.
00:29:01
>> I'm just picturing having that feature
00:29:02
and I would turn it off after a couple
00:29:04
days. Like even as useful as it is, it
00:29:06
doesn't give me the amount of usefulness
00:29:08
that will will let me leave it on. I
00:29:10
love the fact that
00:29:13
with my Garmin, my phone never vibrated.
00:29:15
It never rang. It never did anything for
00:29:17
like 3 or 4 years. Now I have to have
00:29:20
the vibration on to know when I'm
00:29:21
getting a call or a text.
00:29:24
>> And I don't know how you all deal with
00:29:25
this, but it's woken me up every single
00:29:28
night since because I forget to turn
00:29:30
vibrations off when I go to sleep.
00:29:31
>> Do not disturb routine.
00:29:33
>> But you have a routine, right? every day
00:29:36
at 9:00. My phone
00:29:37
>> I'll ask you this later on how to set it
00:29:38
up because it it has to be set up
00:29:40
through assistant.
00:29:41
>> No,
00:29:42
>> no. A lot of phones you can just like
00:29:44
have do not disturb and like turn it
00:29:46
turn on automatically at 9:00 p.m. every
00:29:48
day.
00:29:48
>> Okay. I need to do that. Someone teach
00:29:49
me how to do that cuz I'm an idiot.
00:29:53
>> Apparently,
00:29:53
>> teach me teach me how to do that. Okay.
00:29:55
>> Speaking of Google, yeah,
00:29:57
>> I saw this this morning on 9 to5 Google
00:29:58
and then they also did a press release.
00:30:00
Um, Google is allowing websites to opt
00:30:02
out of AI mode and overviews in Google
00:30:04
search.
00:30:05
>> Ellis is saved.
00:30:06
>> Let me explain what it's doing first.
00:30:07
>> Yeah.
00:30:08
>> Um, so they're starting to test a new uh
00:30:11
toggle in their search console console
00:30:14
which will allow website owners to um
00:30:16
decide if they want the site to appear
00:30:17
in Google's AI search features like AI
00:30:19
overviews, AI mode, or AI overviews and
00:30:21
discover. Um, if you decide to opt out,
00:30:24
you will not receive traffic or
00:30:26
impressions from generative AI features.
00:30:28
And they also promise um it won't affect
00:30:30
your search rankings for regular Google
00:30:32
searches. So like
00:30:33
>> allegedly
00:30:34
>> allegedly fair. Um one thing though, it
00:30:38
doesn't seem like it's stopping it from
00:30:39
coming up in Gemini. This is like Google
00:30:41
search features. Um the funny thing in
00:30:45
their press release uh were they claimed
00:30:48
we are actively listening to feedback
00:30:50
from publishers and creators and
00:30:52
engaging with regulators like the UK's
00:30:54
compet competition and markets authority
00:30:55
to ensure website owners have the right
00:30:57
tools as user preferences evolve aka
00:31:00
>> UK got our ass again and we need to fix
00:31:03
something because of it. Um so that's
00:31:05
why this is rolling out to UK website
00:31:06
owners first before potentially moving
00:31:08
globally. Um, they said they are also
00:31:10
working on rolling out new insights for
00:31:12
website owners in the search console
00:31:14
that can help them understand the
00:31:15
traffic they're getting, whether that's
00:31:16
coming from AI features
00:31:19
going forward. So, that seems like a
00:31:21
cool thing to add on top of this because
00:31:24
>> obviously they don't want people to opt
00:31:26
out. So, give them some more information
00:31:28
on
00:31:29
>> maybe to claw them back in like look at
00:31:31
all these sweet insights you're getting.
00:31:33
Yeah, this gives Google a chance to put
00:31:35
their money where their mouth is because
00:31:36
their their big argument, I don't know
00:31:38
if you listen to Neili's interview with
00:31:40
Sundar,
00:31:41
>> but uh Google's argument is that yeah,
00:31:43
there's going to be less traffic to a
00:31:45
lot of websites because of AI overview,
00:31:47
but the traffic that websites do get
00:31:50
will be way more specific and
00:31:51
highquality traffic. And that's, you
00:31:54
know, obviously great for commerce and
00:31:55
great for certain websites, but
00:31:57
>> I don't know if anybody believes that
00:31:59
right off the bat. We'll have to like
00:32:00
see that actually play out. So to offer
00:32:02
the tools and insights to see, oh, okay,
00:32:05
I was getting, let's say, 100 page views
00:32:07
a day or something like that. Now I'm
00:32:08
getting 20, but all 20 of them buy
00:32:11
something instead of 20 out of the
00:32:13
hundred.
00:32:14
>> If you're an affiliate based website,
00:32:16
that's awesome.
00:32:16
>> Yeah, I was just going to say that
00:32:18
ignores the fact that a lot of websites
00:32:19
exist off of like banner ads,
00:32:21
>> banner, ad traffic disappears for those
00:32:25
websites. Yeah,
00:32:26
>> but yeah, it's it's at least an
00:32:28
opportunity to show like how the traffic
00:32:31
changes based on you opting in or opting
00:32:34
out.
00:32:34
>> Yeah, I mean giving them giving them the
00:32:37
option is good. Giving them more
00:32:39
information to make that decision is
00:32:42
good.
00:32:42
>> Wikipedia opts out.
00:32:43
>> Okay, so that was something people were
00:32:45
talking about on Reddit. Um, so I have a
00:32:47
list of like some things I'm interested
00:32:48
to see how this changes. Um, one, how
00:32:51
many owners look at the statistics and
00:32:53
what decision they wind up making. I
00:32:55
think most website owners right now are
00:32:56
like, I hate AI overviews because
00:32:58
they're stealing traffic. When they see
00:33:01
this, I want to see if a lot of people
00:33:03
will actually stay or if they will opt
00:33:05
out.
00:33:06
>> Um, if large websites opt out, one, how
00:33:09
does that affect AI responses if
00:33:11
Wikipedia like decides to? If they're
00:33:13
big enough, will Google try and make
00:33:15
some sort of agreement with them
00:33:18
>> to make sure that they don't like if a
00:33:19
Wikipedia opts out, I can't imagine
00:33:21
Google wouldn't be like, uh, we need to
00:33:23
find some sort of compensation.
00:33:25
>> I mean, they did it with Reddit. They
00:33:26
made a deal specifically with Red, so I
00:33:28
could see them doing that.
00:33:29
>> I could definitely see that. Um, then my
00:33:32
other question is, if a website opts out
00:33:34
now,
00:33:36
how much of
00:33:37
>> they're existing?
00:33:38
>> Yeah. Like information is already in the
00:33:40
zeitgeist of
00:33:42
>> Oh. They've already scraped the entire
00:33:45
scraping stops, but whatever was already
00:33:47
scraped is probably already in. My model
00:33:50
trained up until Yeah,
00:33:52
>> which is Yeah, I feel like they need an
00:33:54
answer for that. There's no way they're
00:33:55
taking it out because it's all trained
00:33:56
and they essentially can't, right?
00:33:59
>> So,
00:34:01
>> whoopde-doo. I guess in the future
00:34:02
that's nice, but right now kind of
00:34:04
sucks. But
00:34:05
>> I just hope that in the search console
00:34:06
there's a little toggle for me to turn
00:34:08
on and off notifications.
00:34:11
I agree.
00:34:13
It
00:34:13
>> feels like the the model I was going to
00:34:15
call it a black box. Like the training
00:34:16
data is just in the black box and then I
00:34:18
just thought of the analogy that it's
00:34:19
kind of like a black hole. Like all of
00:34:21
all of the mass of the star is already
00:34:23
in. So you can't take it out. Like I
00:34:26
know it's part of all the rest of the
00:34:28
stuff in there, but the mass is too
00:34:30
dense. You just you can't pull out one
00:34:32
of the things. Once it's in there, it's
00:34:33
in there.
00:34:34
>> You get sucked in.
00:34:35
>> We only get the hawking radiation from
00:34:37
the nerves.
00:34:39
>> Yeah. Yeah. What about the honking
00:34:40
radiation Marquez? A pulsar.
00:34:44
>> I think I can name all the planets.
00:34:46
>> All right.
00:34:47
>> That's how much interested.
00:34:48
>> Well, uh after the break, we are going
00:34:50
to talk a little bit about Nvidia's new
00:34:52
RTX Spark chipset that's trying to upset
00:34:55
Apple, but maybe won't. We'll see. Uh
00:34:59
before that though, we got something
00:35:01
that always comes out of the black hole.
00:35:04
A tech trip.
00:35:07
That's got That's got to be on the
00:35:09
board. That's got to be
00:35:11
>> uh a tech question.
00:35:15
>> A tech trivia question.
00:35:18
>> I slept for 30% of the What? I was
00:35:20
supposed to have you
00:35:21
>> according to Whoop.
00:35:22
>> Yeah.
00:35:23
>> Uh tech trivia.
00:35:25
>> Have you ever had a dream that and you
00:35:27
and you could and that and you that that
00:35:29
you and that you could do anything?
00:35:31
>> I heard the word Google and I heard the
00:35:32
word opt out and I immediately
00:35:34
>> opted out of Google. I immediately
00:35:37
remembered the old days where you had to
00:35:38
opt out of your Gmail getting every
00:35:40
single plus notification and message
00:35:42
that you ever dreamed of. So, I wanted
00:35:44
to write a Google+ trivia question.
00:35:46
Doesn't really have that much to do with
00:35:47
the topic today, but we all miss Plus.
00:35:50
And by we all, I mean, you know, someone
00:35:51
out there. Um,
00:35:53
>> Marquez, is that someone?
00:35:54
>> Google, as we all know, loved to try new
00:35:56
things. And they really, really love to
00:35:59
try new things back in the day. I guess
00:36:01
they still do this trivia question.
00:36:02
>> Not as much. They used to experiment a
00:36:03
lot more.
00:36:04
>> They do. And so today's trivia question
00:36:05
is how many social media services did
00:36:07
Google launch before plus?
00:36:10
>> Oh my god.
00:36:11
>> Before Google+ and
00:36:13
>> name them.
00:36:14
>> You don't have to name them but it will
00:36:16
be prices right rules. So if you're too
00:36:18
if you think Google is too ambitious
00:36:21
>> social media find social media
00:36:23
>> and you're I need you to say the
00:36:25
question very specifically. Google
00:36:27
launched didn't buy
00:36:29
>> launched. I am going to confirm over the
00:36:32
next section that they did not purchase
00:36:34
any of these.
00:36:35
>> Okay.
00:36:35
>> Um, but to my knowledge, if they were
00:36:38
purchased, they were purchased
00:36:39
pre-launched and launched by Google. How
00:36:42
many social media services did Google
00:36:44
launch
00:36:45
>> before?
00:36:47
And I know, you know, I thought I
00:36:50
rounded up every single one I could
00:36:51
find. I'm going to go double check
00:36:53
because it's Google. They could have
00:36:54
launched six that somehow I never heard
00:36:57
of. Uh, but these are all ones that I
00:36:59
think a reasonable tech enthusiast might
00:37:02
not remember off the top of their head,
00:37:04
but would remember if spoken aloud
00:37:07
>> social media.
00:37:07
>> Adam, do you agree?
00:37:09
>> Mhm.
00:37:09
>> Adam agrees.
00:37:10
>> Okay. I can't find it, but did you see
00:37:12
the subreddit post of like, I hate
00:37:14
prices, right?
00:37:16
>> Wait on our
00:37:18
>> Why? What was I? It was just like I just
00:37:20
don't get
00:37:21
>> said Delta is better, which is kind of
00:37:23
true.
00:37:23
>> Closest Delta. I like closest Delta.
00:37:25
Yeah, cuz it's delically better,
00:37:27
>> especially when no one really has any
00:37:29
idea what the ballpark of the answer is
00:37:31
actually.
00:37:31
>> Should we do that? I I I think
00:37:33
>> I'm fine swapping around. Yeah.
00:37:35
>> Yeah. What am I talking about here?
00:37:37
>> Is Price is right. An internationally
00:37:38
known.
00:37:39
>> I think so.
00:37:40
>> It's pretty cool.
00:37:41
>> It's ISO standard 3892-4 BC.
00:37:44
>> No, that's peanut butter.
00:37:46
>> You're so right.
00:37:47
>> That's the panone color. No, I feel like
00:37:48
I feel like that's a maybe more local
00:37:51
fun rule that we've implemented, but
00:37:53
whatever. I like I like swapping
00:37:54
>> as long as everyone knows what it means.
00:37:56
>> Okay.
00:37:56
>> Whatever you want, Ellis. You're the
00:37:57
You're the
00:37:58
>> Yeah, you guys are the game masters. I'm
00:38:00
just, you know, we're just living in
00:38:01
your world.
00:38:02
>> Happy jolly energy
00:38:03
>> until we all get it wrong and then I
00:38:04
will not be happy.
00:38:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:07
>> All right. Answers answers will be at
00:38:08
the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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All right, welcome back. We got to talk
00:39:17
about this upcoming Apple event. So, by
00:39:19
the time you hear this, it's Friday.
00:39:21
WWDC 2026 is Monday and Dubdub every
00:39:26
year. It's their developer conference.
00:39:27
We get all this software, occasionally a
00:39:29
little bit of hardware or like some
00:39:30
teasing of some hardware. I think the
00:39:32
last one we heard about was Mac Pro at
00:39:35
Dubdub
00:39:35
>> maybe.
00:39:36
>> But usually it's just iOS, iPad OS,
00:39:39
watch OS, all the OSs get updated
00:39:41
>> and we do have some expectations for
00:39:43
that this year.
00:39:44
>> Uh we got our invite. We will be out
00:39:46
there. The clue that we have is all
00:39:49
systems glow. As you know, Siri is the
00:39:53
thing that glows in iOS because the rest
00:39:55
of it is liquid glass. So,
00:39:57
>> yeah,
00:39:57
>> we are expecting finally to get, I
00:40:01
guess, a reannouncement
00:40:03
>> Yeah.
00:40:03
>> of all the stuff we were expecting.
00:40:04
>> Two funny things about this. One, last
00:40:06
year's tagline was it's glow time.
00:40:08
>> Yeah.
00:40:09
>> And they didn't do it,
00:40:11
>> but we don't talk about that. Also, the
00:40:13
person that announced the revamped Siri
00:40:15
two years ago now works at OpenAI.
00:40:18
>> Oh,
00:40:19
>> the person on stage at Dubdub who
00:40:20
announced it. Oh, yeah. We don't talk
00:40:22
about that either.
00:40:22
>> Yeah,
00:40:24
>> we don't talk about Siri. So, yeah, we
00:40:27
hope it comes back. I was like scouring
00:40:29
the internet for all of the rumors,
00:40:30
right? Because we wanted to do a rumor
00:40:32
roundup. I actually promised you guys a
00:40:33
rumor roundup last week. I lied to you.
00:40:36
Uh, I looked online everywhere. I was
00:40:38
like, top WDC rumors. I got some.
00:40:41
>> You You got some small stuff
00:40:43
>> cuz everything I found was just like
00:40:45
>> Siri.
00:40:46
>> It's Yeah, this is dubdubdub 2024 part
00:40:49
two
00:40:50
>> redux.
00:40:51
>> Yeah. I mean, the main thing that I
00:40:52
think is interesting is so obviously the
00:40:55
iPhone is the thing that Apple does and
00:40:57
the way they they the way they
00:40:59
differentiate their products very often
00:41:02
if you look back at the history of Apple
00:41:03
is just making their new thing the one
00:41:05
that works with the iPhone the best.
00:41:07
Right.
00:41:08
>> Yeah. So, they've been super behind in
00:41:09
all this AI and having large language
00:41:11
models and having an assistant, but
00:41:13
they're finally going to have this new
00:41:14
Siri. And what I'm expecting is for them
00:41:17
to try to find ways that this assistant
00:41:19
is the one that works with the iPhone
00:41:21
the best. So, how do they do that? One
00:41:24
is a pre-installed Siri app that kind of
00:41:28
looks like a messaging app where you can
00:41:29
just talk to Siri. I think potentially
00:41:31
it's in the messaging app where you just
00:41:32
message Siri like you're texting it.
00:41:34
>> Yeah. Um, but then two of course is like
00:41:37
if you have Chat GBT the app or Gemini
00:41:39
the app or any of these other apps like
00:41:41
clawed on your iPhone, they can only
00:41:43
tell you so much about your actual
00:41:44
phone. They know about what you've
00:41:45
plugged into it and what you've given it
00:41:47
access to, but they don't know your
00:41:49
messages or your calendar. They can't
00:41:51
act on your iPhone for you. So, I just
00:41:53
generally I mean they teased a lot of
00:41:54
the stuff already, but I generally
00:41:56
expect them to give Siri a bunch of
00:41:58
abilities to dig into your iPhone and
00:42:01
use that contact data, calendar data.
00:42:04
whatever
00:42:06
it
00:42:07
>> is where Apple is going to have a lot of
00:42:09
explaining to do because the entire
00:42:12
thing that they kind of sell is privacy
00:42:16
and they're going to have to reassure
00:42:18
people over and over and over again that
00:42:20
even though it is using the data that is
00:42:22
on your phone with the text and the
00:42:24
everything in the stuff and it's AI,
00:42:26
we're not going to see it. It's not
00:42:28
going anywhere. They're going to have to
00:42:29
talk about their private cloud compute
00:42:31
thing again. They're going to have to
00:42:33
say the Gemini Nano model runs locally
00:42:35
on the phone. There's no data coming to
00:42:38
Apple. Uh because again, it's going to
00:42:41
need all that context. Like for example,
00:42:43
Gemini Spark that we talked about
00:42:45
briefly last week from IO. We uh I have
00:42:48
early access to it and I tried it a
00:42:50
little bit. David Pierce wrote a really
00:42:51
good article about it and it's it's kind
00:42:54
of creepy how much information it knows
00:42:56
about you. Like uh when in Pierce's
00:42:59
article that he wrote about it, he said
00:43:00
like, "Plan me this trip." And it knew
00:43:02
his wife's name. It knew a time his kid
00:43:05
takes a nap. Is this because it's Gemini
00:43:07
and it's plugged into your accounts and
00:43:09
has all of that?
00:43:10
>> Yes.
00:43:10
>> Yeah.
00:43:10
>> Yes.
00:43:11
>> Yeah.
00:43:11
>> Uh and so Apple is going to have to be
00:43:15
very clear about the information that
00:43:17
they're pulling from your devices and
00:43:19
all this stuff. it clear. Again, Apple
00:43:21
doesn't have nearly as much information
00:43:22
as Google has about you because it
00:43:24
doesn't have like I guess I mean I guess
00:43:26
they kind of have iCloud Drive. They can
00:43:27
kind of pull from documents and stuff,
00:43:29
but they don't have their own documents
00:43:31
creator thing that people actually use.
00:43:34
They're just going to have a little bit
00:43:35
less context, but yeah, it's it's going
00:43:37
to be a lot of explaining like security
00:43:40
security privacy privacy privacy
00:43:42
ondevice models.
00:43:43
>> Yeah,
00:43:44
>> we'll see how regular people take They
00:43:45
just have to show that little Apple logo
00:43:47
that's a lock and it goes.
00:43:49
>> I We should take That's right. on how
00:43:50
many times they do that animation. They
00:43:52
for sure are going to do that at least
00:43:54
one time full screen.
00:43:55
>> Oh yeah.
00:43:56
>> During WDW I can see that. Um Yeah. No,
00:43:59
that's it's true. And also like to your
00:44:01
point, Google is
00:44:05
essentially an ads and data collection
00:44:07
company. So they have all these great
00:44:09
services that also serve as ways to
00:44:11
collect data. So like I we use Google
00:44:13
Docs, great. We use Google Calendar as a
00:44:15
company. Great. We use Gmail. Okay. So,
00:44:17
all this stuff is really useful to us as
00:44:19
services, but then Gemini pulls from all
00:44:21
that to be helpful for us.
00:44:23
>> Apple, I mean, yeah, they have iCloud.
00:44:26
They don't have a they have they have
00:44:27
iical. So, if you if your calendar is an
00:44:30
iical, they can use that. Your contacts,
00:44:33
your your iMessage.
00:44:35
>> But then
00:44:36
>> your iMessage even feels like a stretch
00:44:37
for Apple to use that data to be honest.
00:44:39
>> If it's on your device,
00:44:42
>> yeah,
00:44:42
>> it's cool. I think it's okay, but I
00:44:45
think that the the messaging is going to
00:44:47
be a little complicated. For some
00:44:48
reason, texts are the things that people
00:44:50
always think about the most when they
00:44:52
think about is this data leaking?
00:44:54
>> So, I don't know.
00:44:56
>> Yeah, it just makes it hard because they
00:44:57
don't have as much data and services. I
00:44:59
guess it makes it harder for them to
00:45:00
make a useful assistant. So, we'll see
00:45:01
what sort of stuff they plug into with
00:45:02
the iPhone.
00:45:03
>> Yeah, Gemini has like a daily brief
00:45:04
feature now that I
00:45:06
>> I actually think mine's been really
00:45:08
good.
00:45:08
>> I've been waiting for it to get good.
00:45:10
>> Really?
00:45:10
>> Every day I read my daily brief and I
00:45:11
just shake my head. Mine is like so
00:45:13
weirdly good. What is yours? Do you use
00:45:16
it too?
00:45:16
>> Yeah, mine is
00:45:17
>> Tell me what's in your daily brief cuz
00:45:18
mine is just like here's some emails you
00:45:20
got and I'm like yeah I read those
00:45:21
already this morning.
00:45:22
>> Oh wow. No.
00:45:23
>> What are your What is your daily
00:45:24
>> comes to me when I wake up.
00:45:25
>> Yeah.
00:45:26
>> Mine gets Okay. Yeah. So it shows up in
00:45:28
the morning, but often I've I've
00:45:30
dismissed a bunch of emails from the
00:45:32
night before and it's telling me about
00:45:33
those again and it's telling me to take
00:45:35
actions on things that are emails that
00:45:37
I'm already going to do cuz I read my
00:45:39
emails.
00:45:40
>> Yeah.
00:45:40
>> So what does yours do? Mine's like, "Oh,
00:45:43
this thing that you bought on eBay
00:45:44
finally shipped. Here's the tracking
00:45:46
number
00:45:46
>> because of the email."
00:45:47
>> Uh, yeah.
00:45:48
>> Yeah.
00:45:49
>> But like, I don't know. That might be
00:45:50
buried in my I just like having it all
00:45:52
in one place. And it's like
00:45:54
>> like your inbox.
00:45:56
>> I don't know.
00:45:56
>> Not everything. No. No. Not cuz not
00:45:58
everything in my life is in my email,
00:46:01
>> right? Because it mixes in things that
00:46:03
happen in my email and in my calendar
00:46:06
and in like my Google Drive, stuff like
00:46:08
that or in my Google tasks. You know
00:46:10
what's been weirdly better? What is I've
00:46:13
been using Dia and this is not an ad for
00:46:16
them but the browser
00:46:17
>> and because I have Google Docs open and
00:46:19
I've given it access to stuff. It knows
00:46:21
what docs I've been working on and it's
00:46:22
seen my calendar and it knows this other
00:46:24
stuff and the daily brief that pops up
00:46:26
in the morning from DIA
00:46:28
>> is often more more variety like it it
00:46:32
knows what documents I've been working
00:46:33
on. It's like here's some stuff like
00:46:34
know some sources to help you finish
00:46:36
this dope tech video you've been
00:46:37
writing. Is this on your phone? This is
00:46:39
on via the browser on my on my desktop.
00:46:41
So like that has been more useful
00:46:43
because it's not all just emails. It
00:46:45
goes, "Oh, you have some unresolved
00:46:46
comments from the Google docu from
00:46:48
Andrew and Harper on this on this thing
00:46:50
you've been writing."
00:46:51
>> Yeah,
00:46:51
>> that's pretty useful.
00:46:53
>> Um, but leaving those comments, I like
00:46:56
that a lot.
00:46:56
>> But the the goo the Google one I get
00:46:58
every morning is just like a summary of
00:47:00
my email.
00:47:00
>> Let me let me tell you my daily brief.
00:47:01
Okay. So, okay. So, I'm shipping a
00:47:04
product to a friend and then they're
00:47:06
going to bring it to me. It's just a
00:47:08
kind of a complicated thing. Um, and it
00:47:11
for some reason it knows the friend that
00:47:13
I'm shipping it to and it tells so it
00:47:16
not only was like here's your tracking
00:47:18
information, but it says share the
00:47:20
tracking information with him
00:47:23
so that he can bring it to you.
00:47:25
>> That's nice.
00:47:25
>> Which is crazy cuz I didn't, you know,
00:47:27
that's not in the email from eBay. It's
00:47:30
kind of a complicated. It's It's
00:47:31
interesting. I don't know how it knows
00:47:32
that. Mhm.
00:47:33
>> Um, inspect the package that got
00:47:36
delivered last night to make sure that
00:47:37
nothing got like there was no transit
00:47:39
damage, which is convenient cuz it knows
00:47:41
that something recently got damaged in
00:47:43
transit, I think, cuz I like submitted a
00:47:45
claim. It's kind of interesting. Um,
00:47:47
last night I was trying to transfer from
00:47:50
the iPhone Air over to the iPhone Pro
00:47:52
Max and it was freezing constantly. So,
00:47:54
it's like make sure you resolve the
00:47:57
freezing issue, which is, you know,
00:47:59
obviously something.
00:47:59
>> How does it know that? Cuz you're Google
00:48:01
searching. because I I asked Gemini once
00:48:03
yesterday like I'm trying to transfer
00:48:05
and it it's freezing. Like what's the
00:48:07
best thing to do?
00:48:08
>> Um here's a package that I didn't know
00:48:10
was arriving today where it's like hey
00:48:12
this thing is arriving today. It should
00:48:13
get there whatever. Uh
00:48:16
>> must be from an email right
00:48:17
>> upcoming birthdays
00:48:19
which is one is on Friday which I didn't
00:48:20
know about. Like I wouldn't have checked
00:48:22
my calendar to like try to see that the
00:48:24
birthday was
00:48:25
>> interesting. So I'm just so dialed in my
00:48:26
calendar and inbox that this feels
00:48:28
redundant to me. But if I wasn't
00:48:29
checking my calendar in my inbox,
00:48:31
>> I do not live in my email at all. And
00:48:33
the only I mean I use my calendar like
00:48:35
crazy, but the only reason I use it is
00:48:36
to make sure I'm not double scheduling
00:48:39
things when people ask to like hang out
00:48:41
or do something, you know.
00:48:42
>> Okay.
00:48:43
>> So maybe we just have different I think
00:48:45
for people that live in their email,
00:48:46
maybe it's not as
00:48:48
>> it's pretty redundant information. Okay.
00:48:50
>> What does yours do, Adam?
00:48:51
>> Mine I I'm like a mix. Like I live in my
00:48:54
email, but I also live in my calendar,
00:48:55
but I also live in my notes app. Like
00:48:56
I'm all over the place. So my email
00:48:59
specifically, the things I pay attention
00:49:01
for are appointments, which may or may
00:49:04
not reflect on my Google calendar. But
00:49:06
for example, the one that saved me
00:49:08
yesterday actually was last week I have
00:49:11
a class every Tuesday with a Spanish
00:49:13
tutor that I meet on Zoom and we go
00:49:15
through it for an hour. We had a
00:49:17
miscommunication about scheduling and
00:49:19
when we were going to talk, all this
00:49:20
stuff. So that was like a long email
00:49:22
thread that it's all in Spanish, which
00:49:24
I'm not great at. So it all like got
00:49:26
lost in translation literally. So
00:49:28
yesterday I woke up and the Google
00:49:30
Assistant little thing daily brief.
00:49:33
>> Yeah, Gemini daily brief. Thank you. Was
00:49:35
like, "Oh, don't forget you have your
00:49:36
Spanish class today." And the the email
00:49:38
thread is all in Spanish. And I was
00:49:39
like, "Oh, snap. It is today." Like,
00:49:41
"Yeah, let me let me lock that in my
00:49:42
calendar 1:00. Have my calendar." Blah,
00:49:44
blah. So like things like that. It was
00:49:45
like things that I would otherwise miss
00:49:47
or not really pay attention to.
00:49:49
Subscriptions that I meant to cancel but
00:49:51
I keep forgetting. like it'll keep
00:49:52
reminding you like don't forget last
00:49:54
week you wanted to do this thing and I
00:49:56
still see that it's still there.
00:49:58
>> I like rarely check my email so honest I
00:50:01
should check it more but honestly like
00:50:02
it sending telling me that things are
00:50:04
arriving today's that I've that I've
00:50:06
ordered that I just didn't know about is
00:50:07
very helpful especially since packages
00:50:09
get stolen from my apartment like all
00:50:10
the time.
00:50:11
>> Yeah.
00:50:11
>> So
00:50:12
>> yeah that's a okay yeah I makes a lot of
00:50:14
sense as someone who's not in the inbox
00:50:16
all the time
00:50:18
>> that this would be useful. I'm looking
00:50:19
at my daily brief again. It's literally
00:50:20
just, hey, you got an email.
00:50:23
>> Yeah.
00:50:23
>> You want to do anything about that?
00:50:24
Here's another email.
00:50:27
>> And yeah, it's it's not really pulling
00:50:28
from anywhere other than email.
00:50:29
>> How are you guys finding your daily
00:50:30
brief?
00:50:31
>> It's in the Gemini app.
00:50:32
>> Yeah, it's near the top if you open the
00:50:34
sidebar.
00:50:34
>> Yeah, you can also get a notification
00:50:37
for it every morning when you wake up.
00:50:38
>> That's what I get. And I didn't realize
00:50:40
I could just go to the Gemini app to see
00:50:41
it again.
00:50:41
>> Okay. Yeah.
00:50:43
>> Dial in your new podcast room layout.
00:50:45
>> Yeah. Modify or confirm your Chewy auto
00:50:47
ship order. Still have to do that. See,
00:50:50
you completely forgot about that.
00:50:51
>> Uh, review GitHub app claude requests
00:50:55
for system permissions. Should probably
00:50:57
check that. Sounds important.
00:50:59
>> Sounds important to me. I'm just saying
00:51:01
I think it's I think it's quite good and
00:51:03
it's going to be interesting to see how
00:51:05
Apple like what data Apple allows the
00:51:08
their local models to collect and like
00:51:10
use to actually be helpful cuz Google
00:51:13
Google has never pretended to be about
00:51:15
privacy whatsoever. They're more like
00:51:17
actually just give us all our data and
00:51:18
we will give you useful features and
00:51:20
Apple is like we don't look at anything.
00:51:22
So it's just going to be it's going to
00:51:24
be different. But I'm interested I'm
00:51:26
quite interested in what they do next
00:51:27
week um in that in that use case.
00:51:31
>> Obviously they're going to update all of
00:51:32
the OSS. Um so literally no idea what
00:51:36
they're going to do for the watch. You
00:51:38
know, it's like it seems like every year
00:51:39
they come up with a new metric, a new
00:51:42
health metric that I didn't know
00:51:44
existed.
00:51:46
and they add a new sensor. Yeah, because
00:51:47
they need to sell a new watch. Um, so
00:51:49
that's strange.
00:51:50
>> I feel like the last two years, was it
00:51:52
the last two years this where they're
00:51:53
like, "This is the biggest update to
00:51:56
watch OS."
00:51:56
>> Oh, watch OS 10. Yeah.
00:51:58
>> Yeah. And it was like nothing.
00:51:59
>> Yeah.
00:52:01
>> Watch it just come out of nowhere and be
00:52:03
like sick this.
00:52:04
>> Yeah. I really want them to Oh, yes.
00:52:06
Yeah. That's a great Yeah. Like one new
00:52:08
watch face,
00:52:09
>> one new sensory. Or honestly, two
00:52:12
Snoopies,
00:52:12
>> they could probably just Sherlock Bevel.
00:52:15
>> Bevel is the like
00:52:16
>> actually. Yeah.
00:52:17
>> Yeah. So Bev Well, if you don't know
00:52:19
what Bevel is, Bevel is like the Whoop.
00:52:22
It's an app that you use that takes your
00:52:24
Apple Watch data and it turns it into
00:52:26
Whoop $100 a year.
00:52:29
>> Uh it's only $100 for the AI features.
00:52:31
>> I figured someone posted on our
00:52:33
subreddit, the majority of the stats are
00:52:35
just free subscriptions AI features.
00:52:37
>> That's cool. Okay, that's even better.
00:52:39
Uh, and so Apple has a real opportunity
00:52:41
to kind of make especially the Ultra
00:52:44
like make it a hardcore one.
00:52:45
>> Maybe this ties into Siri. Maybe Siri is
00:52:48
a fitness coach
00:52:49
>> based on your health data. Yeah, Sydney
00:52:50
Siri looks at all of this fitness data
00:52:52
in the health app and it becomes a
00:52:54
chatable actionable like coach for
00:52:57
beginners to understand like hey you
00:52:59
have trends like you can always open the
00:53:00
health app and look at all these numbers
00:53:01
and graphs and I don't know what to do
00:53:03
with those a lot of times but maybe Siri
00:53:05
is like a little
00:53:06
>> Siri even set two timers and you wanted
00:53:09
to tell you how you should
00:53:11
>> we're going to get a revamped Siri it's
00:53:12
going to be the the new Gemini series
00:53:15
it's going to be good allegedly is it
00:53:16
two years late now or is it three
00:53:18
>> or I guess it's
00:53:19
>> announced that
00:53:20
>> a year and a half late, right?
00:53:21
>> Yeah. And announced almost two years
00:53:23
ago.
00:53:23
>> Okay. Year and a half late.
00:53:24
>> To be for the next iPhone launch. So,
00:53:27
yeah, half a year later.
00:53:28
>> I hope they make uh Mac OS Tahoe better.
00:53:31
Apparently, there was a leaked uh name
00:53:33
for the new OS version. It's potentially
00:53:35
called Big Bear, which is a lake in
00:53:37
California.
00:53:38
>> Like Mac OS.
00:53:39
>> Yeah.
00:53:40
>> Big Bear.
00:53:40
>> Big Bear.
00:53:41
>> Big Bear.
00:53:42
>> Big Bear.
00:53:44
>> Big Bear.
00:53:45
>> I'm realizing that
00:53:46
>> Big Bear is Yeah, it's a great lake. I'm
00:53:48
realizing not everyone knows about big
00:53:49
data.
00:53:50
>> I know. It's a California.
00:53:51
>> Yeah. Wow.
00:53:52
>> They're running out of popular things.
00:53:54
>> I mean, a lot of people didn't know
00:53:54
about Tahoe either.
00:53:56
>> Correct.
00:53:57
>> Yeah.
00:53:57
>> I just I feel like when you live in
00:53:58
California, everyone's always talking
00:54:00
about Big Bear.
00:54:00
>> Yeah. People go to Big Bear to like
00:54:02
vacation like
00:54:03
>> Big Bear.
00:54:04
>> It's awesome. It's awesome. Like
00:54:05
>> Wait a second. Are you guys from
00:54:06
California?
00:54:07
>> Uh this is how fast they ran out of
00:54:09
stuff, right? They had all the the Snow
00:54:11
Leopard, Cheetah, Puma, all those,
00:54:12
right? Then they got to California stuff
00:54:14
for OS 10.9. Okay. Mavericks, Yusede, El
00:54:17
Capitan.
00:54:18
>> Yeah.
00:54:18
>> Okay, great.
00:54:19
>> California
00:54:20
>> Sierra. Hi, Sierra.
00:54:22
>> California, California.
00:54:23
>> Mojave,
00:54:24
>> California.
00:54:24
>> Catalina,
00:54:25
>> California.
00:54:26
>> Big sir. Now we're just obscure.
00:54:29
Monterey.
00:54:30
>> Monterey is not obscure.
00:54:31
>> Ventur is Ventura is not obscure.
00:54:34
>> Yeah.
00:54:35
>> Honestly, didn't know Ventura was a
00:54:37
place
00:54:37
>> because you guys are not from
00:54:38
California.
00:54:39
>> Exactly.
00:54:40
>> It is a little obscure.
00:54:41
>> Most people aren't from California. Oh,
00:54:43
but then actually statistically in the
00:54:45
United States most people are from
00:54:48
California.
00:54:50
>> Most people are are aware of California
00:54:52
but not intimately aware of all the
00:54:54
things like I think we've run out of the
00:54:56
popular I mean let's name it after a
00:54:59
city but these are generally like you
00:55:01
know pretty places in California.
00:55:04
>> Marquez according better
00:55:06
>> according to AI overview 12% of all
00:55:09
Americans are born in California.
00:55:11
>> Yeah. And 80% aren't
00:55:12
>> very few.
00:55:14
>> More than anywhere else.
00:55:15
>> Uh, no, it's not.
00:55:16
>> I think it is.
00:55:18
>> Um, I think it's top three.
00:55:19
>> It's probably top one.
00:55:20
>> It's probably two. I think it's number
00:55:22
one.
00:55:23
>> How many people live in New York State?
00:55:25
>> A lot less than California.
00:55:27
>> Oh, less than California.
00:55:27
>> What about Texas?
00:55:29
>> Less 8 million less than California.
00:55:31
>> All right.
00:55:31
>> Yeah, California.
00:55:32
>> It's probably California.
00:55:33
>> Anyway, I'm just saying like these are
00:55:35
all beautiful places.
00:55:36
>> I agree. and the videos that they do to,
00:55:39
you know, Craig's gonna get on stage and
00:55:40
say, "Our crack marketing team." He's
00:55:42
gonna say that. True. Word for word. And
00:55:44
he's gonna announce this new thing and
00:55:45
there's gonna be a very pretty video of
00:55:46
it and people from California are going
00:55:48
to recognize it from the video before
00:55:50
they say the name. They'd be like, "Oh
00:55:51
my god, it's Big Bear." And people are
00:55:52
going to be like, "What's Big Bear?"
00:55:54
>> You know what? I hope they California
00:55:56
state flag is a bear.
00:55:58
>> So, I hope I hope they like zoom out of
00:56:00
the flag and it's a bear and then they
00:56:02
do a fly over of Big Bear Lake. Wait,
00:56:04
did they tease this like four years ago
00:56:06
when that bear broke into that guy's
00:56:07
house and the the watch bear bear?
00:56:11
>> That's a big bear.
00:56:13
>> Yeah, I could be one, too.
00:56:15
>> RTX Spark.
00:56:15
>> RTX Spark. Speaking of big,
00:56:18
>> wait a second, that's not in California.
00:56:21
>> Don't you know RTX Spark in California?
00:56:23
>> Uh, okay. So, Apple a number of years
00:56:27
ago, 2020, released the M1 series
00:56:29
processors. Big deal. Big change.
00:56:31
ARMbased. Changed the world. Okay.
00:56:34
>> Been chasing it that high ever since.
00:56:35
>> Everyone's been chasing that high.
00:56:36
Microsoft has been chasing that high.
00:56:38
Qualcomm's been chasing that high. They
00:56:39
can never seem to do it because Windows
00:56:41
just sucks, unfortunately. It is It is
00:56:45
truly not good.
00:56:46
>> Yeah.
00:56:46
>> Uh because they need backwards
00:56:47
compatibility for like a hundred years.
00:56:49
So,
00:56:51
Nvidia, uh multi-trillion dollar
00:56:53
company, what do they do?
00:56:55
>> Heard of them?
00:56:55
>> You might not have heard of them.
00:56:56
>> They're the big bear in the room.
00:56:57
>> They're the biggest bear in the room.
00:57:00
What they did was they made a competitor
00:57:03
to the M1. It's called the RTX Spark uh
00:57:05
super chip. It's effectively a laptop/
00:57:09
you know desktop PC version of the DGX
00:57:12
Spark from last year which was a
00:57:14
personal dev kit AI box that combines
00:57:17
CPU GPU all-in-one chip. Now they're
00:57:21
going to put this thing in laptops which
00:57:23
is pretty crazy. We don't know really
00:57:25
any performance. Uh we don't really know
00:57:27
any pricing. We just have numbers. We
00:57:30
have a lot of numbers,
00:57:31
>> David. It has all day battery life
00:57:34
>> up to up to all day.
00:57:36
>> See, I mean, it is a three nanometer
00:57:38
process, so maybe it'll be okay with
00:57:40
with efficiency, but yeah, it's got 20
00:57:42
CPU cores, 6,144
00:57:44
GPU cores. They say it can have up to
00:57:47
RTX RTX 5070 equivalent graphics. We
00:57:51
don't know if that's the 5070 on the
00:57:53
desktop or the 5070 on the laptop, which
00:57:55
are very
00:57:56
>> They don't specify. You can probably
00:57:57
assume it's the lesser. Probably assume
00:57:59
uh up to 128 gigabytes of unified
00:58:02
memory, but it starts at 16 gigs of
00:58:04
unified memory.
00:58:06
>> Uh all day battery life, built-in
00:58:08
partner built in partnership with
00:58:09
MediaTek, uh one pedaflop of AI compute,
00:58:13
600 gigabytes per second bandwidth, or
00:58:15
maybe that's gigabits. I didn't I'm not
00:58:17
sure if I read it correctly.
00:58:18
>> Gabbits.
00:58:18
>> Uh Jensen talked a lot about this being
00:58:21
a platform for agents. Um he said agents
00:58:25
a lot. He he used that word many times.
00:58:28
He said, "There are only a billion
00:58:30
people, but there are so many more
00:58:32
agents.
00:58:34
>> I'm serious about this."
00:58:36
>> Make sure you pronounce it very
00:58:37
carefully.
00:58:38
>> I also don't know why he said only a
00:58:39
billion people cuz I think there's about
00:58:41
8 billion people.
00:58:42
>> Yeah.
00:58:43
>> But yeah. Okay. You want my take on
00:58:45
this? Let's go.
00:58:46
>> Based on what I've seen,
00:58:48
>> yeah,
00:58:48
>> you know, we got this announcement. We
00:58:49
got them focusing very heavily on AI and
00:58:52
agents and how, you know, with up to 128
00:58:55
gigs of unified memory, you can run all
00:58:57
these local large language models and do
00:58:59
all this stuff and execute all these
00:59:01
tasks and have even these optimizations.
00:59:03
They talked about Adobe with like
00:59:05
special versions. Obviously, you have
00:59:06
CUDAors because it's Nvidia, but special
00:59:09
versions of this new Adobe software
00:59:10
where you can have it make stuff for you
00:59:13
in the creative suite. Crazy agents h
00:59:16
happening on your computer.
00:59:18
My take basically, which is probably
00:59:20
based on how little time I spend in this
00:59:23
PC world, is the window for how good or
00:59:26
bad this could be is
00:59:28
>> enormous. No pun intended.
00:59:30
>> Windows,
00:59:31
>> but the window for how high the ceiling
00:59:32
could be or how low the floor could be
00:59:34
is huge.
00:59:35
>> I think how bad it could be is okay, we
00:59:38
don't know how bad like the base chip
00:59:39
is. Okay, starting at 16 gigs unified
00:59:41
memory. You got a bunch of cores and
00:59:43
obviously a whole bunch of bandwidth 3
00:59:44
nm process and then it's just you know
00:59:49
base just replacing the Intel chip that
00:59:51
you would have had level and that's okay
00:59:53
and maybe it's a little too expensive.
00:59:55
the ceiling is like it is as good as the
00:59:57
Apple silicon chips and it's better
00:59:59
because of all the optimizations and the
01:00:01
CUDA cores and it has all this local you
01:00:04
know processing available all this AI
01:00:07
uh for all the agents you're going to
01:00:09
run so it's better for that sort of
01:00:11
stuff so the the window and obviously it
01:00:13
runs Windows so like however into that
01:00:16
you are the window for how good or bad
01:00:18
this could be is huge to me
01:00:20
>> so I am I'm going to wait to actually
01:00:21
get my hands on it they announced a
01:00:22
whole bunch of laptop uh OEMs are going
01:00:24
to making these RTX Spark laptops and
01:00:26
they're all very thin and very powerful.
01:00:28
Very premium looking. They all scream
01:00:31
high price.
01:00:32
>> Yeah.
01:00:32
>> But they haven't announced any specs or
01:00:35
prices or benchmarks yet. So, I'm just
01:00:37
going to wait until we get some in hand
01:00:40
and actually use them,
01:00:41
>> benchmark them, and see how good they
01:00:43
actually are. The DJX Spark last year
01:00:45
was announced at $3,000. When it came
01:00:47
out, it was $4,000 and then within a few
01:00:50
months it became $4,600.
01:00:52
And then for some reason the Dell
01:00:54
version was $6,300.
01:00:56
>> So yeah, they're probably going to be
01:00:59
pretty expensive. Again, we don't really
01:01:02
know anything about battery life. The
01:01:03
GGX Spark pulled 140 watts from the
01:01:05
wall. Hopefully it doesn't pull that
01:01:07
much. It's going to be scaled down a
01:01:09
lot.
01:01:10
>> Yeah,
01:01:10
>> L is just saying something about 150
01:01:12
watts and then the battery life. Not
01:01:15
>> that last like hours.
01:01:16
>> Yeah, it was like the math isn't mathing
01:01:19
here, but like all of it because this is
01:01:21
all at Compyex, right? Yeah. And like
01:01:23
>> well there was Competitex and then there
01:01:24
was Nvidia had their own thing and then
01:01:26
there was also Microsoft Build which
01:01:28
happened like right after.
01:01:29
>> Yeah.
01:01:30
>> Yeah. Um I mean they announced in it the
01:01:31
Microsoft Surface Ultra which is a
01:01:33
15-inch miniLEDD touchscreen. Uh you
01:01:36
know the largest haptic trackpad in a
01:01:37
Surface ever. Um one thing that was kind
01:01:41
>> exactly like a MacBook Pro. By the way,
01:01:43
>> I saw that it also just looks exactly
01:01:45
like a Microsoft Surface laptop. It's
01:01:48
looked like except maybe a tad boxier,
01:01:51
like thicker and less less of a wedge
01:01:53
shape, but I just think it's looked like
01:01:54
a Surface for like that for a while. Um,
01:01:58
the Verge said that like looked exactly
01:01:59
like a MacBook and I was like
01:02:01
>> it looks just like a
01:02:02
>> more like a MacBook, but maybe I'm
01:02:04
wrong.
01:02:04
>> Surface Ultra is also a funny name. I
01:02:06
mean, yeah, huge trackpad, black
01:02:08
keyboard, thin bezels. One thing I
01:02:10
thought was interesting that Tom Warren
01:02:12
said is, "So, it's got USBC, HDMI, full
01:02:14
size SD, headphone jack, but there's an
01:02:16
USBC port on the right that he says
01:02:18
looks a little bit larger." And when he
01:02:20
asked the Microsoft employee, they just
01:02:22
smiled and said they'd have more to
01:02:23
share later,
01:02:24
>> which to me sounds like Surface Connect
01:02:26
port that you
01:02:27
>> like a fast charger
01:02:28
>> like remember how the old Surface
01:02:31
devices had that like detachable one? It
01:02:33
was essentially always like this weird
01:02:36
like long
01:02:38
a flat piece that would go into it and
01:02:40
be like a a proprietary fast charger,
01:02:42
but you could also charge with USBC in a
01:02:44
different port.
01:02:44
>> Yeah.
01:02:45
>> Yeah, that was my guess, too.
01:02:46
>> It might be a breakaway USBC like port.
01:02:49
>> Interesting.
01:02:50
>> Yeah. So, it could it can have the
01:02:51
magnetic capabilities but also be USBC.
01:02:55
>> Mhm.
01:02:56
>> Which would be cool.
01:02:56
>> Yeah. I think it's just charging.
01:02:58
>> Yeah.
01:02:58
>> I don't know. I don't think it's
01:02:59
anything that cool despite him smiling
01:03:02
and laughing and being like, you'll find
01:03:04
out later this year.
01:03:05
>> Yeah.
01:03:06
>> Yeah. This is all, you know, this is
01:03:08
Windows and ARM again. We've seen it.
01:03:11
Surface has done it with Nvidia though
01:03:14
being at the forefront and worth a
01:03:17
pissload of money.
01:03:18
>> Yeah, there is a chance for sure.
01:03:21
>> There's a higher chance this works
01:03:22
because Nvidia has a lot more to lose
01:03:24
than like Microsoft and Qualcomm did.
01:03:26
>> Yeah. Um, the thing that people are
01:03:28
really upset at though is that there is
01:03:31
not Linux support right now and many
01:03:34
many developers use Linux and so
01:03:37
everyone being forced to use Windows is
01:03:39
not making people happy.
01:03:40
>> Yeah, that could be a future thing. I
01:03:42
mean uh I expect them to listen to their
01:03:45
audience at some point and maybe expand
01:03:46
support but yeah
01:03:48
>> the response to Linus seemed very like
01:03:51
>> we are not thinking about that right
01:03:52
now. We have a lot of other things to
01:03:54
worry about before we're going to worry
01:03:55
about Linux.
01:03:55
>> Totally fair. They definitely have to
01:03:57
launch this first and make sure it goes
01:03:59
smoothly
01:04:00
>> before doing anything else.
01:04:01
>> Yeah. So, there's like a million
01:04:03
questions that we're going to not have
01:04:06
answered until we actually get units of
01:04:07
these things in house. Yep.
01:04:09
>> Which is later this year. Like, we're a
01:04:11
while away from figuring any of this
01:04:13
stuff out
01:04:13
>> for sure. Maybe before Siri. We'll see.
01:04:17
>> Place your bets.
01:04:18
>> Before GTA 6.
01:04:19
>> Yeah, before GTA 6 or my Street
01:04:20
Manifesto album. I'm weirdly like
01:04:22
excited about this because there's a lot
01:04:25
of like, you know, advanced high
01:04:28
production like creative workflows that
01:04:31
more and more people are adopting. We
01:04:33
were talking about this in the car this
01:04:34
morning, David, like adopting these like
01:04:36
very sort of slim local models to take
01:04:38
care of like one task in a really
01:04:41
complicated production workflow. Um, and
01:04:44
you know, with all the extra ports and
01:04:46
the big trackpad on this Microsoft
01:04:47
Surface, I could see this being like a
01:04:50
weirdly useful laptop with the asterisk
01:04:54
being if this Nvidia graphics engine has
01:04:58
access to all the like Nvidia specific
01:05:01
graphics processes.
01:05:04
>> Yeah, Jetson made a big deal about the
01:05:05
fact that this chipset supports
01:05:07
literally everything Nvidia's ever made.
01:05:09
So, the idea like these are like very
01:05:12
hyperspecific applications, but I could
01:05:14
see a lot of like post-production
01:05:15
workflows or like computers that run
01:05:18
concert visuals or like things like that
01:05:20
being able to do like really unique
01:05:22
powerful things on this laptop if it's
01:05:24
like not
01:05:28
>> um which unfortunately like it seems
01:05:30
like they all end up being um so
01:05:33
>> I don't think this is going to be
01:05:35
>> I don't think so either. It still has to
01:05:36
run through Windows though. And as a
01:05:37
Windows user,
01:05:40
we had to do this thing with a a Dell
01:05:42
monitor for a video we're making where
01:05:44
it has a KVM and I'm switching between
01:05:46
it.
01:05:47
>> Setting up the Dell drivers for the KVM
01:05:50
of this Dell monitor took me longer on
01:05:53
the Windows PC than it did on the Mac
01:05:55
for just like it kept failing. And then
01:05:58
just extracting it and actually
01:05:59
downloading it literally took like 10
01:06:01
times as long. And I was messaging
01:06:03
Marquez like, I'm losing my mind here.
01:06:05
It was a Dell XPS laptop I was using
01:06:08
that was like
01:06:09
>> hurting trying to install Dell drivers.
01:06:12
>> Yeah,
01:06:12
>> it was infuriating.
01:06:13
>> Damn. I want to be optimistic. I want to
01:06:16
I want to see when they come out.
01:06:17
Hopefully, we get these these benchmarks
01:06:19
going.
01:06:19
>> Yeah,
01:06:20
>> thank you for the big trackpad.
01:06:22
>> Yeah,
01:06:22
>> all laptops need a giant trackpad.
01:06:24
>> I agree. I agree. The question sort of
01:06:26
becomes like Apple has become the de
01:06:28
facto kind of AI agent computers because
01:06:32
they're like the best bang for buck
01:06:34
right now. But if another company comes
01:06:37
in and is optimized for that stuff, are
01:06:39
people going to start moving over to,
01:06:42
you know, agentspecific hardware
01:06:44
>> if it's built for whatever you plan on
01:06:46
doing?
01:06:46
>> Yeah. Whatever that means. M so
01:06:48
>> and and can they safeguard like I think
01:06:50
another reason the Apple platform is so
01:06:53
popular for vibe coding and agents and
01:06:55
stuff like that is because it's you can
01:06:57
really monkey around a lot in terminal
01:07:00
and with bash commands and stuff and
01:07:01
feel confident you're not going to
01:07:03
delete some system file that renders
01:07:05
your computer completely broken in a way
01:07:07
that I feel a lot less confident on a
01:07:10
Windows system.
01:07:10
>> Satia did specifically say they're
01:07:12
bringing a lot of that stuff to Windows
01:07:14
now though like they're bringing
01:07:15
homebrew to Windows.
01:07:18
He knows how he announced that it
01:07:20
>> how
01:07:20
>> he knows how to build.
01:07:21
>> It's a how how
01:07:23
>> Ask him.
01:07:24
>> That doesn't make sense. I thought
01:07:25
Homerew was a Mac thing. I thought it
01:07:26
was a Mac repository.
01:07:27
>> Well, he said, "We're bringing a lot of
01:07:29
your favorite Mac stuff to Windows so
01:07:31
that you so that you can move."
01:07:32
>> Oh, how the tables have turned. My
01:07:34
friends, for my whole life, it was like,
01:07:36
"Oh, this is really sweet, but you can't
01:07:38
do it on Mac, so I got to own a Oh, I
01:07:40
love this program, but it's it's
01:07:41
Windows." Now, look at the Windows
01:07:43
crowd, baby. No,
01:07:45
>> look at them crawl over to our side.
01:07:47
>> The turntables. Well, we won't know
01:07:49
about that stuff until later this year.
01:07:51
So, uh, a whole lot of hoopla.
01:07:53
>> Hoopla.
01:07:54
>> Hoopla.
01:07:55
>> But while we're waiting for later this
01:07:56
year to roll around, there's a thing
01:07:58
that happens every single gosh darn
01:08:00
week, babe. Right on time. And it's
01:08:03
>> hoopla. Oh, trivia.
01:08:05
>> Hoopla.
01:08:06
>> This was another great Ellis question
01:08:07
that I'm just going to steal from him.
01:08:09
So, while Google+ didn't stick around,
01:08:13
one feature built into Google+
01:08:14
eventually became a standalone product
01:08:16
in 2013. What product is that?
01:08:20
>> That two plus questions, one episode.
01:08:23
>> I actually say that again. I think I
01:08:25
actually know that
01:08:25
>> Google say again. I need I'm going to
01:08:27
get this one right.
01:08:28
>> While Plus did not stick around,
01:08:30
>> correct?
01:08:31
>> One feature built into Plus eventually
01:08:33
became a standalone product in 2013.
01:08:37
What product was that? I think I
01:08:38
actually know that.
01:08:39
>> Can I ask a
01:08:40
>> No.
01:08:45
>> Just just a little extra extra
01:08:47
information. Okay.
01:08:48
>> Does that product still exist?
01:08:50
>> It kind of
01:08:51
>> change its name
01:08:53
>> with every second. We're getting closer
01:08:55
to spoiling the answer to this.
01:08:57
>> This is a hard a hard one because I do
01:08:59
think technically it's the same thing,
01:09:00
but they change its name and make it a
01:09:03
different thing.
01:09:04
>> Yeah, I think you're giving up.
01:09:05
>> Shut up. Everybody shut up. This is why
01:09:08
you should listen to my no.
01:09:10
>> All right, never mind. Don't have to
01:09:11
answer. You don't have to answer. We'll
01:09:12
think about it.
01:09:13
>> I'm going to answer. What do you think
01:09:14
about it? I'll lose that point.
01:09:15
>> Yeah, you don't have I don't You don't
01:09:16
have to answer my question. My question.
01:09:18
My clarifying question. I'll just I'll
01:09:20
just guess.
01:09:20
>> Nope. It's dead.
01:09:22
>> Oh, great.
01:09:22
>> Oh,
01:09:23
>> that doesn't narrow it down at all.
01:09:25
>> Wait, it's back.
01:09:26
>> Hannah is dead again. All right, we'll
01:09:28
answer at the end. We'll be right back.
01:09:29
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Welcome back. We got to talk about
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Microsop. I mean Microsoft. I stole that
01:10:41
from Steve from Gamers Access. Uh
01:10:44
>> oh, the comment section's been
01:10:46
>> Oh, did they say that?
01:10:47
>> I made a video about uh just the problem
01:10:50
that Microsoft has with laptops. And
01:10:52
most of the comments were just making
01:10:54
fun of Microsoft by calling it
01:10:55
Microsoft. It was solid.
01:10:57
>> Well, well, we got two Microsoft stories
01:10:59
for you. The first is that Microsoft is
01:11:02
making a project Solara agent OS. So if
01:11:06
uh you didn't hear the last part of the
01:11:07
podcast and and if you didn't, I don't
01:11:09
know why are you at this part of the
01:11:10
podcast. We talked about Microsoft Build
01:11:13
very briefly. Actually, yeah, this might
01:11:15
be in a clip, so I don't know. That'd be
01:11:17
crazy. But uh they had Microsoft Build,
01:11:19
which is their annual developer
01:11:20
conference, similar to Dubdub, similar
01:11:22
to IO. And they announced some stuff
01:11:24
there. One of the things they announced
01:11:25
was a new OS called Project Solar. And
01:11:29
it's effectively supposed to be an OS
01:11:32
built specifically for agents. It's
01:11:34
funny though because it's Android. Uh
01:11:36
everything is Android at the end of the
01:11:38
day.
01:11:38
>> When I heard this, I thought of rabbit
01:11:40
OS.
01:11:41
>> Yeah,
01:11:42
>> that's kind of what it is.
01:11:43
>> Same thing.
01:11:43
>> They basically, my take on this is that
01:11:45
they are trying to build the future
01:11:48
platform kind of like Meta was trying to
01:11:50
do with the metaverse because they were
01:11:52
mad that Google kind of took the web.
01:11:55
And so now they're trying to be the ones
01:11:57
that build an OS that can work on
01:12:00
various different types of hardware. So
01:12:02
they have these images of like, oh,
01:12:04
smart glasses or a smart screen or a
01:12:06
smart this. And they showed off two
01:12:09
different concept devices. One was like
01:12:11
an Echol like device, like an Amazon
01:12:13
Echolike device that sits on your desk,
01:12:15
has Windows Hello, so you walk up to it,
01:12:17
it logs in and whatever, and then you
01:12:20
can just talk to it and you're talking
01:12:21
to agents and agents are doing stuff for
01:12:23
you, whatever. They also showed a
01:12:26
concept of a smart badge. Now, you might
01:12:29
not know what a badge is if you have not
01:12:32
worked at one of these mega corpse. One
01:12:33
of these mega corpse gives you a little
01:12:35
badge that you wear around your neck
01:12:36
that has your name and your ID.
01:12:38
>> Oh, like a physical badge. Like an ID
01:12:40
badge.
01:12:40
>> Like an ID badge.
01:12:41
>> I don't know why I was thinking like a
01:12:42
metaverified check mark badge or
01:12:44
something.
01:12:45
>> No, not a digital badge.
01:12:45
>> You mean like an actual badge?
01:12:47
>> Physical badge that helps you scan into
01:12:48
different rooms, etc. This one has like
01:12:50
your name, your ID on it, whatever. but
01:12:52
it also has agents on it and also has a
01:12:54
camera. So they showed off uh at build
01:12:57
where the guy that was presenting it
01:12:59
basically turned it sideways and he
01:13:01
recorded a video and then he was like
01:13:04
computer cut up a video of this and like
01:13:07
share it to my social media with some
01:13:09
cool music.
01:13:10
>> Bad. No, don't do that.
01:13:12
>> It's a phone.
01:13:12
>> It's not. Well,
01:13:13
>> your phone can do.
01:13:14
>> Yeah.
01:13:15
>> Just put it on your phone.
01:13:16
>> Yeah.
01:13:17
>> And make the badge
01:13:18
>> get you in the door. But the phone can't
01:13:21
>> But the phone can't do it yet cuz Siri's
01:13:22
not here yet. You know what I'm saying?
01:13:24
And Gemini, I don't think Gemini can
01:13:26
like cut up a video. I don't know.
01:13:27
>> I don't think so either. But
01:13:28
>> I don't know.
01:13:29
>> This is making me think that what if
01:13:31
going back to dubdub predictions and
01:13:33
rumors and stuff if it's becomes a Siri
01:13:35
OS because Apple seems to be the only
01:13:37
one that doesn't.
01:13:38
>> Apple's not going to make a new OS for
01:13:40
that's a little confusing.
01:13:41
>> Oh no,
01:13:41
>> they're not going to do
01:13:42
>> because Android has Gemini that talks
01:13:44
across all their platforms. Microsoft
01:13:46
just announced this thing where all
01:13:48
their agents, it's like different form
01:13:49
factors. Doesn't matter. The agent will
01:13:51
talk to it. Apple doesn't have that yet.
01:13:52
>> It's iOS.
01:13:54
>> I think Siri might act like that, but
01:13:57
they I don't think they would call it an
01:13:58
OS.
01:13:59
>> Yeah, they share a lot of
01:14:00
>> avoid confusion. Yeah,
01:14:01
>> they call it an ontology. That was a
01:14:03
palunteer joke.
01:14:06
>> Sorry. Sorry.
01:14:07
>> Ontology.
01:14:07
>> Like six people listening to this
01:14:08
laughed really hard.
01:14:10
>> Okay. Um, anyway, I already said it, but
01:14:14
yeah, they want to be like the the
01:14:15
platform of the future and uh I don't
01:14:18
know. Microsoft has announced a lot of
01:14:20
demo hardware in the past that they just
01:14:22
never release. So, that's a possibility.
01:14:25
Um, but yeah, just wanted to bring that
01:14:27
up.
01:14:27
>> This doesn't seem like hardware to me.
01:14:29
>> Well, it's it's Yeah, it's they they are
01:14:32
making concept devices to show what you
01:14:34
could do with this agent OS that they're
01:14:36
building on top of Android.
01:14:37
>> But the thing that they're showing off
01:14:38
is the agent OS. Yeah,
01:14:40
>> it's not like the hardware itself.
01:14:41
>> Yeah, we'll see if they even ship the
01:14:42
agent OS is my question cuz it's
01:14:45
Microsoft. Uh, okay. One more Microsoft
01:14:47
story. Microsoft is in the process of
01:14:50
shutting down all employees using cloud
01:14:52
code for work by June 30th.
01:14:55
>> Very funny. Uh, people have been
01:14:57
thinking about this for a long time. At
01:14:58
what point do tokens become more
01:15:01
expensive than humans? Turns out we're
01:15:03
reaching that point right now. They
01:15:05
speed run that. It's not like they're
01:15:06
going to force them to use codeex or or
01:15:08
or the uh the uh
01:15:12
>> what's what's the Microsoft one called?
01:15:14
>> Copilot.
01:15:14
>> GitHub copilot CLI is like
01:15:16
>> they're just like no no bots.
01:15:18
>> Well, so
01:15:19
>> what happened was in December they gave
01:15:21
everybody Claude subscriptions like
01:15:23
pretty much whoever wanted it there. And
01:15:26
it seems like
01:15:27
>> everyone was only using Claude and not
01:15:31
>> Copilot.
01:15:31
>> Copilot. Yeah.
01:15:32
>> So, one, the reason a lot of people
01:15:35
think this is because of how much is
01:15:37
expensive, because of how expensive it
01:15:38
is, cuz it's ending on June 30th, which
01:15:40
is the end of Microsoft's fiscal year.
01:15:43
Big red flag of like this is probably
01:15:44
costing us a metric ton,
01:15:46
>> but also it is a straight competitor.
01:15:50
Not all employees are losing Claude
01:15:52
completely because co-pilot uses Claude
01:15:55
>> inside of it. Um, yeah. So, they'll
01:15:56
still be able to like be connected to it
01:15:58
somewhat, but
01:15:59
>> most likely because it is a uh
01:16:02
>> a competitor and because it's costing so
01:16:04
much money is why they're stopping them
01:16:05
from using it. But like David said,
01:16:07
we're getting to this point of what
01:16:09
costs more agents or people and like
01:16:11
Uber already just ditched like all of
01:16:14
their their AI coding. I mean, Microsoft
01:16:16
also has copilot and they have GitHub
01:16:18
copilot and they announced at build a
01:16:20
new version of terminal which is they
01:16:22
call a smart terminal which has GitHub
01:16:25
copilot built into the terminal
01:16:27
>> and so I mean Microsoft would be a
01:16:30
little hypocritical if they were not
01:16:31
using their own you know agents they
01:16:34
also announced their own uh language
01:16:36
models at build so I think
01:16:39
>> you know it's a combination of this is
01:16:41
probably getting insanely expensive and
01:16:42
also we spent billions of dollars to
01:16:44
make this ourselves Why are we not using
01:16:46
it ourselves?
01:16:46
>> So, this is getting extremely expensive
01:16:48
in two different ways.
01:16:50
>> Yeah. So, the question becomes, how far
01:16:51
behind anthropic are they in terms of
01:16:54
the quality of their language models?
01:16:56
>> That's going to be a big question. And
01:16:58
if it slows them down, do they need to
01:17:00
be slowed down? I don't know.
01:17:02
>> Anything that Microsoft's done
01:17:03
significantly in the last few years. So,
01:17:05
>> I haven't used Bing in a minute.
01:17:06
Remember when Bing got crazy for one
01:17:08
day?
01:17:08
>> Someone in our subreddit posted a really
01:17:10
funny. They were like uh it was the Bing
01:17:13
co-pilot overview asking about me and it
01:17:16
said I immigrated here in like 1891 and
01:17:19
that I also host a podcast called
01:17:21
Waveform.
01:17:22
>> Holy moly.
01:17:23
>> It said call him Unk but like really
01:17:25
really old.
01:17:26
>> That's hella unk. Holy that's crazy.
01:17:28
>> Uh speaking of the stuff, Anthropic also
01:17:30
just confidentially filed to IPO but
01:17:32
then they tweeted about it so it wasn't
01:17:33
too confidential I suppose.
01:17:35
>> Um and it's one of the biggest IPOs. The
01:17:38
estimations are just under a trillion
01:17:40
dollars. Um, another IPO that might
01:17:43
happen soon is the the SpaceX one that
01:17:45
is stealing from everyone's 401ks.
01:17:48
That's a very complex topic. I watched
01:17:49
like five videos about that yesterday.
01:17:51
>> That's all there is to it.
01:17:52
>> Well, yes, it's about So, okay, I I'll
01:17:55
tell you.
01:17:56
>> Is there a TLDDW?
01:17:57
>> Yes. Well, yes. Okay. So, basically,
01:18:01
when you invest in an index fund, an
01:18:03
index fund is run by a company, right?
01:18:06
So like DAO is like an is like a company
01:18:08
that collects these index funds and uh
01:18:11
they basically you know you're forced to
01:18:14
invest in the companies that they put on
01:18:17
the index fund that they
01:18:19
>> you're not picking companies you're
01:18:20
picking a fund they invest a bunch of
01:18:22
companies for you
01:18:23
>> and so what has happened is that Twitter
01:18:26
that got turned into X got uh merged
01:18:29
into XAI right because they were out of
01:18:32
money. Uh then XAI got merged into
01:18:35
SpaceX because XAI was out of money and
01:18:37
they were billion burning a billion
01:18:38
dollars a day.
01:18:39
>> They seem not related but okay.
01:18:41
>> It's a Russian nesting doll situation.
01:18:43
>> It's a nesting doll. Okay. So
01:18:45
>> there is something related. Elon Musk
01:18:47
>> you know SpaceX is like a reasonably
01:18:49
profitable company and XAI just burns
01:18:52
cash at an insane rate. Yeah. And so
01:18:54
SpaceX and so Elon was like, "If I buy
01:18:56
XAI with SpaceX, I I don't lose any
01:18:59
money because I'm paying myself for this
01:19:00
and all of XAI's losses gets absorbed
01:19:03
into SpaceX shareholders." So now the
01:19:06
losses are their problem.
01:19:07
>> Yeah. And so now SpaceX is filing to go
01:19:10
public for like a lot of money. Uh the
01:19:13
problem, okay, the crazy thing here is
01:19:15
that usually when a company goes public,
01:19:18
if it's like a very large company,
01:19:20
there's sort of this cool down period
01:19:22
that usually is about a year before
01:19:25
>> seasoning.
01:19:25
>> It's called seasoning.
01:19:27
>> Yeah. Where
01:19:28
>> Yeah. where a stock basically the market
01:19:31
has to see like is a stock going to like
01:19:33
go crazy and then dip or then blah blah
01:19:35
blah blah. These index funds will not
01:19:37
adopt the stock for a year and that's
01:19:38
just been a formality basically. It's
01:19:40
kind of a rule that they use.
01:19:42
>> Um, but Elon basically convinced one of
01:19:46
these index fund like the Dow or
01:19:48
whatever,
01:19:49
>> the NASDAQ,
01:19:50
>> the NASDAQ 100 to wave that formality so
01:19:54
that the SpaceX stock will immediately
01:19:57
get within I think 15 days or so get
01:20:00
injected into all of these index funds.
01:20:03
So now if you have a 401k that tracks
01:20:07
the NASDAQ 100,
01:20:09
>> you automatically have to invest in
01:20:12
SpaceX.
01:20:13
>> It the whole idea is that Elon and
01:20:15
everyone at SpaceX knows that SpaceX is
01:20:18
the most overvalued public company in
01:20:20
the world. Like they they lose not quite
01:20:23
a billion dollars a month, but in the
01:20:24
hundreds of millions of dollars a month
01:20:26
and they're valued as like one of the
01:20:28
most valuable companies in the world,
01:20:29
right? Despite just like
01:20:30
>> Is this SpaceX or XAI?
01:20:31
>> It's the same company. Yeah,
01:20:33
>> they're they're
01:20:35
>> SpaceX. So, Elon used SpaceX to buy XAI,
01:20:38
>> which bought Twitter.
01:20:39
>> Yeah. So, so SpaceX, XAI, and Twitter
01:20:43
are all the same balance sheet now.
01:20:45
>> And together, they record about $800
01:20:47
million of losses. I'm going to fact
01:20:49
check that up the episode, but I believe
01:20:51
it's about $800 million of losses a
01:20:53
year.
01:20:53
>> Yeah. So the whole plan is if you can
01:20:56
get all of these index funds to
01:20:58
automatically buy SpaceX about 2 weeks
01:21:00
after it IPOs, it doesn't have enough
01:21:02
time to crash. And that autopumps the
01:21:05
stock to infinity. So when the stock
01:21:07
does crash, the people who lose are the
01:21:10
people whose retirement accounts auto
01:21:11
invested.
01:21:12
>> And the people who already have the
01:21:14
stock in Space XAI are the people who
01:21:16
invested in Twitter. and the people who
01:21:18
invested in XAI, which is like a lot of
01:21:20
the billionaires who funded the Twitter
01:21:22
deal in the beginning because Elon lost
01:21:24
half of the value of Twitter after he
01:21:26
bought it because it crashed to half the
01:21:27
price.
01:21:28
>> It's you know how like in the memecoin
01:21:30
strat is you tweet about a memecoin so a
01:21:32
bunch of people buy it and then you sell
01:21:33
off as soon as they buy it
01:21:35
>> because you secretly own 80% of the
01:21:37
>> that is that's the plan here is except
01:21:39
instead of convincing people to buy it
01:21:41
with a tweet
01:21:41
>> they're being forced to buy it.
01:21:42
>> They're being they're literally being
01:21:44
forced to buy it. everyone who has a
01:21:45
401k.
01:21:46
>> It's like one of the most insane
01:21:48
financial plays ever.
01:21:50
>> The stock market sucks. It's all fake.
01:21:53
>> Yeah.
01:21:54
>> I think a lot of people don't realize
01:21:55
that these index funds are companies and
01:21:58
they're not just like things that are
01:21:59
sort of set up and managed by the
01:22:00
government and are like a a you know a
01:22:03
political immoral whatever. They're like
01:22:05
companies that their whole thing is that
01:22:07
they track certain stocks.
01:22:09
>> Mhm.
01:22:09
>> So yeah, it's crazy. I would I would
01:22:13
recommend watching some videos on it.
01:22:15
It's wild. Um yeah, and then Anthropic's
01:22:18
potentially going to go public. We'll
01:22:19
see if OpenAI goes public. I don't know,
01:22:21
man. It's going to be crazy. If the AI
01:22:22
bubble does burst, it'll probably happen
01:22:24
in the next 6 months.
01:22:25
>> We're speeding running this whole tech.
01:22:27
I feel like like two years ago, we were
01:22:29
like, "Cool, look, Will Smith eating
01:22:31
spaghetti or like made a dinosaur
01:22:32
chicken nugget surfing like this." And
01:22:34
now we're like, "It's too expensive to
01:22:36
run anymore."
01:22:36
>> Yeah. So,
01:22:37
>> who do you think is going to go public
01:22:38
first? Anthropic or
01:22:40
>> Oh,
01:22:42
before OpenAI, for sure.
01:22:43
>> I need to correct myself. I said SpaceX
01:22:45
was losing about $800 billion a month. I
01:22:48
was not even close. Um, in the first
01:22:50
three months of this year, they lost 4.3
01:22:52
billion with a B dollars.
01:22:54
>> Okay.
01:22:54
>> You misspoke for a second though. You
01:22:55
said 800 billion.
01:22:56
>> You mean you meanion million? Sorry. 800
01:22:59
million was an incorrect number. four in
01:23:01
the first three months of 2026, they
01:23:03
lost $4.3 billion despite being again in
01:23:07
theory the largest most valuable IPO in
01:23:11
history somehow. So
01:23:13
>> I said I'll get it.
01:23:15
>> No one
01:23:15
>> because they're betting on the future.
01:23:16
>> Anthropic is worth more than OpenAI now.
01:23:18
Did you know that?
01:23:19
>> Uh
01:23:21
it's like it's all spec it doesn't
01:23:23
matter all it is. All of it is
01:23:26
>> well in theory not all of it is like
01:23:27
there are companies you can buy whose
01:23:29
balance sheets directly reflect their
01:23:32
>> valuation you know they're just not
01:23:34
grind
01:23:35
>> that's true
01:23:36
>> no what they don't know how to do is pay
01:23:38
another company to buy $800 million
01:23:41
worth of their own product
01:23:42
>> I always found it weird when like a like
01:23:45
we'll see something on stage happen and
01:23:47
then we'll see like that night a story
01:23:50
about how the stock price went like the
01:23:52
Ferrari lucha yeah like the car gets
01:23:55
announced and then they lose 5% of their
01:23:57
value overnight.
01:23:58
>> That's just speculation. That's just
01:24:01
people going, "Ah, I see that their
01:24:03
future plans for selling this will not
01:24:05
work out, so I don't think they're worth
01:24:07
as much anymore, so I will sell or I
01:24:09
think it's worth less."
01:24:10
>> Well, in theory, that's the whole idea
01:24:11
of index funds, right? is like you can
01:24:14
escape the theatility of a single
01:24:17
certain market,
01:24:18
>> but the contract sort of falls apart
01:24:20
when the company runs your index fund is
01:24:23
like, "No, I'm going to make so much
01:24:25
money off of the
01:24:26
>> loss." Well, also, um I think Hank Green
01:24:28
did a good video about this. Like the
01:24:30
point of an index fund is to escape the
01:24:32
volatility of different markets, but
01:24:33
when like 80% of the market is AI
01:24:36
companies, it's still dangerous to have
01:24:38
your money in an index fund now. So,
01:24:40
it's just this is not this is not
01:24:43
financial advice. Not financial advice.
01:24:44
>> Not financial advice.
01:24:45
>> We should probably cut dangerous, but
01:24:47
that's
01:24:47
>> Yeah. Well, that's what he said.
01:24:49
>> I don't know. I'm just quoting him.
01:24:50
>> But did he say not financial advice
01:24:52
several times rapidly into the camera
01:24:54
without blinking?
01:24:55
>> Actually, fun fact, Hank Green is a
01:24:56
certified public accountant.
01:24:58
>> Really?
01:24:58
>> But you still made that up.
01:25:01
>> This is not truth advice.
01:25:03
>> Okay. Um,
01:25:04
>> it's fine because the president is a
01:25:05
memecoin anyway. So,
01:25:07
>> don't listen to us. Don't listen to us.
01:25:09
Go go go go go watch people who are very
01:25:11
very well versed in this. I only learned
01:25:13
about this last night. So
01:25:14
>> yeah, blame them.
01:25:15
>> Blame them. Yes. Okay. Well, with that,
01:25:19
we're going to wrap it up with
01:25:23
trivia and then next week we'll have
01:25:25
WDC.
01:25:26
For some reason, you saying wrap it up
01:25:28
really makes me want some sort of rap
01:25:30
for lunch. Taco Bell.
01:25:31
>> I don't know, guys. before Google+ was
01:25:34
released, how many how before Google+,
01:25:38
how many social network how many social
01:25:40
networking sites did Google launch? Um,
01:25:42
would you like me to include
01:25:45
social media platforms that Google
01:25:48
purchased pre-launch or just ones that
01:25:51
Google was the launcher of?
01:25:55
>> What were you?
01:25:56
>> What were you going to do at the
01:25:57
beginning?
01:25:57
>> I was going to do
01:25:58
>> Google launched.
01:25:59
>> Google launched. Okay.
01:26:00
>> Yeah. And is it closer without going
01:26:02
over?
01:26:02
>> Yes, it is. Price is right rules.
01:26:10
>> So then just the number.
01:26:12
>> Just the number. I don't need names. And
01:26:15
I will fully accept that if you write to
01:26:18
me about the one I missed, I will ex I
01:26:22
will I will I will go back and award
01:26:23
points.
01:26:23
>> I feel like I'm guess right. I just go
01:26:26
with the lower version
01:26:28
>> because
01:26:29
>> and I would also like to make a
01:26:30
clarification because there are lots of
01:26:32
things that Google did that are sort of
01:26:34
like social media platforms that are not
01:26:36
in my opinion social media platforms.
01:26:38
>> This is based on your
01:26:39
>> we may debate on this.
01:26:40
>> I am not including dodgeball because
01:26:42
while that does resemble forsquare it
01:26:43
was an SMS service and I don't believe
01:26:45
an SMS-based service could be
01:26:47
>> I think that's pretty
01:26:48
>> social network. Uh I am not including
01:26:50
Picassa web because the social features
01:26:53
were an afterthought. That is why I
01:26:55
count as a photo service.
01:26:56
>> I am not including Google open social
01:26:58
because that is a protocol and an API.
01:27:00
It is not an accessible platform.
01:27:02
>> But it's a fetverse.
01:27:04
>> I am not including Google Wave.
01:27:06
>> What
01:27:07
>> what's that?
01:27:08
>> Uh it was sort of like a bulletin board
01:27:10
like like
01:27:10
>> that feels like social media though
01:27:13
>> to me.
01:27:14
>> And I am not including Google Buzz
01:27:16
because
01:27:17
>> that's social media. Google is social
01:27:20
media.
01:27:21
>> You think Google Buzz is a social media
01:27:22
app? Okay, I will include Google Buzz
01:27:23
then.
01:27:24
>> Yeah.
01:27:24
>> All right.
01:27:25
>> How many did you put?
01:27:27
>> Well, I should have put more.
01:27:28
>> Oh, I want
01:27:29
>> You put 14.
01:27:30
>> Okay, we'll see.
01:27:31
>> Bro, you made it sound like it was 800.
01:27:34
>> No. Uh, Marquez, what did you put?
01:27:36
>> I put five.
01:27:37
>> Unfortunately, as of my current list,
01:27:39
you are one over, unfortunately, because
01:27:42
I had four on my list. David, you put
01:27:45
>> three.
01:27:47
Which four did you
01:27:49
>> I included haiku or I think it's
01:27:51
pronounced haiku. Uh because it starts
01:27:53
with a J.
01:27:54
>> Um I did haiku.
01:27:56
>> Spelled IQ with a J.
01:27:57
>> Uh it's because it's a cross between the
01:27:59
word haiku and a Finnish word for like
01:28:02
short stories.
01:28:03
>> Oh.
01:28:03
>> Um and it was a Twitter clone.
01:28:06
>> Um Google Haiku.
01:28:08
>> I don't remember that very well.
01:28:09
>> No, sorry. Sorry. Haiku cannot be on
01:28:11
this list. Haiku was purchased by Google
01:28:14
after it was launched. I take that back.
01:28:15
Uh, so there are three. There are three.
01:28:17
The correct answer is three. So David
01:28:19
nailed it right on the money. I
01:28:21
>> Oh, no. But we put Google Buzz on the
01:28:23
list.
01:28:23
>> Yeah, Buzz.
01:28:24
>> Oh, yeah. Buzz, Google friend connect,
01:28:26
and Orcut. And I had never heard of
01:28:28
Orcut, but Google really tried to make
01:28:30
it happen, and it only took off in
01:28:32
Brazil.
01:28:32
>> Can I read you a description of one, and
01:28:34
you can tell me if it's social media or
01:28:35
not?
01:28:35
>> Sure.
01:28:36
>> The description is a mobile app for
01:28:38
group discussions and messaging
01:28:40
developed by Google. It was intended to
01:28:41
compete with Slack, but it was where but
01:28:44
it was a content sharing platform where
01:28:45
users can create a space, invite their
01:28:47
friends for discussions, share videos,
01:28:49
images, text, and other media.
01:28:50
>> I'm open to it, but what year did it
01:28:52
launch?
01:28:52
>> Yeah, 2016.
01:28:54
>> That is after Google+.
01:28:55
>> Got it. And then, okay, what else was I
01:28:58
thinking? I like Google Wave as social
01:29:00
media, but I still lose anyway. Okay,
01:29:03
>> buzz buzz.
01:29:04
>> If you are upset with the way I
01:29:05
adjudicated this question, I encourage
01:29:07
you to tweet at me or leave a comment.
01:29:10
You're really sticking to him by
01:29:11
subscribing.
01:29:12
>> Dude, if you subscribed, I would hate
01:29:14
that so much.
01:29:17
>> So, I got the point.
01:29:18
>> You got the point. And with that, you
01:29:20
now are at 30 points.
01:29:22
>> Andrew at 25.
01:29:24
>> Arez with 26.
01:29:27
>> Yeah.
01:29:27
>> Yeah.
01:29:28
>> That's closer than I thought.
01:29:29
>> Cool. That's a close game.
01:29:30
>> Wait. Yeah. How did you get so many
01:29:31
points?
01:29:32
>> I think Mariah got a few.
01:29:34
>> Did you have a crazy run or something?
01:29:35
>> No. People when he was out, people got
01:29:38
>> Hell yeah. All right,
01:29:40
>> team game.
01:29:41
>> Question number two.
01:29:42
>> Yeah.
01:29:42
>> While Plus didn't stick around, one
01:29:44
feature built into Google+ eventually
01:29:46
became a standalone product in 2013.
01:29:49
What was it?
01:29:50
>> I mean, Google+ didn't have very many
01:29:51
features,
01:29:53
but it did have these.
01:29:55
>> It had the entirety photography
01:29:57
community on it.
01:29:58
>> These
01:30:00
I'm trying to figure out which one stuck
01:30:02
around. Oh, iron.
01:30:04
>> I
01:30:07
>> I I think I'm wrong, but I'm gonna try
01:30:11
it
01:30:13
>> cuz I don't know the name.
01:30:15
>> The other thing.
01:30:15
>> All right, flip them and read. What do
01:30:17
you guys got?
01:30:18
>> I'm worried there's a really stupid
01:30:19
answer.
01:30:20
>> That's what uh Okay, we all said
01:30:23
different things. What?
01:30:24
>> What?
01:30:25
>> Four square.
01:30:26
>> Angie, you just had a completely
01:30:27
different company, so you go first.
01:30:29
>> Four square.
01:30:29
>> That's not a Google product. I don't I
01:30:32
was torn between circles or whatever the
01:30:35
chat built into it was called and I
01:30:37
ended up just going with circles.
01:30:39
>> Nope. Hangouts.
01:30:42
>> Correct.
01:30:42
>> Oh,
01:30:43
>> so that was what the the chat was
01:30:44
called.
01:30:45
>> I used Hangouts
01:30:46
>> Hangouts a lot.
01:30:49
>> I loved Google Hangouts.
01:30:50
>> Which version?
01:30:50
>> Google guy over here.
01:30:52
>> Remember when they integrated Hangouts
01:30:54
with SMS and then they took it out and
01:30:55
then they put it back and then they took
01:30:56
it out again? It was going to be my
01:30:58
unified messaging app so many times.
01:31:00
>> So many times.
01:31:01
>> And then I wasn't as a little chat
01:31:04
inside of Gmail.
01:31:05
>> No, I knew better. I knew Google wasn't
01:31:06
going to stick with it cuz when it
01:31:07
finally got it, I forgot what phone was
01:31:09
coming out, but I was like, it was like
01:31:10
pre-loaded on the phones and it was
01:31:12
sitting in the doc and I was like, "Oh,
01:31:13
I could just use this."
01:31:14
>> But I knew better.
01:31:15
>> The one that really broke my heart was
01:31:16
Aloe
01:31:17
>> cuz Aloe had such cool UI and like the
01:31:20
the animations and like the the stickers
01:31:22
were so awesome.
01:31:24
>> Yeah, that's cuz they were trying to
01:31:25
copy iMessage and FaceTime. So they made
01:31:26
Alo and Duo
01:31:28
>> and they kept the worst one.
01:31:29
>> Duo sucks. Alo should have been right.
01:31:31
>> Well, now it's just
01:31:32
>> I think they integrated Duo into Google.
01:31:35
>> We're not doing this again. We're not
01:31:36
doing the the Google
01:31:38
>> the Google chat meet Aloe Duo call.
01:31:41
We're not buzz.
01:31:43
>> It's been someone read us out.
01:31:45
>> Hey, if you guys uh if you made it this
01:31:47
far, obviously uh you're a you're a true
01:31:49
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