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Then they got to California stuff for OS 10.9. Okay. Mavericks, Yoseite, El Capitan.
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>> Yeah. >> Okay, great. >> California. >> Sierra. >> Hi, Sierra.
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>> California. California. >> Mojave. >> California. >> Catalina.
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>> California. >> Big su. Now we're just obscure. Monterey. >> Monteray is not obscure.
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>> Ventur is Ventura is not obscure. >> Honestly didn't know Ventura was a place
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>> because you guys are not from California. >> Exactly. >> It is a little obscure. Most people
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aren't from California. >> No, but then actually statistically in the United States,
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>> most people are from California. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> I'm David. >> So, we've got a big week for you. It's
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the week before WWDC. So, we'll have some predictions, some stuff to talk about. We've got a lot of watch talk
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also. Uh Apple silicon competitors are starting to pop up and uh this is part of a bunch of stuff that's competing
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with Apple's world, but Nvidia RTX Spark, we got to talk about that. >> Yeah.
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>> And then Google is letting website owners opt out of AI overviews and some
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Microsoft news. So, let's just dive right in. >> All right. >> But first of all, if you haven't already
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subscribed on YouTube, this is definitely a shout out. I know a lot of people actually don't subscribe, but
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be able to go, "Oh, pod on time or oh pod late. >> Chapter's working here before chapters
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broke your alarm at me. I just came here to have a good time, record a podcast. I
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feel very attacked right now." >> Well, that bell will be your alarm to go
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do your dishes. So, you can just wait until the bell goes off and then you go do your dishes.
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>> Yeah. And if you're subscribed, you'll always get here before the chapters
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break. That's right. That's very important. >> Y >> uh but first,
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>> did they even test this? >> I think Ellis has one for us today. >> I do. And I'm kind of nervous cuz I sort
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of feel like whenever I have a Did they even test this? It's just on me. Like,
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and >> did you even Google this? >> I have a few videos the case, but but
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you know. Okay. So, I have been trying to uh broaden my world view. And by that, I mean uh use non-Apple products
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>> more and more lately. And uh you know, eagle-eyed viewers of the podcast may
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have noticed I've had a series of different garments on my wrist for the past few weeks. Today, it's the Fenix 8
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OLED dinner plate edition. Uh I >> think solar, right? >> Not solar, the AMOLED. Um AMOLED X uh
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Ben 10. Um because this thing is ginormous. Uh uh but um and I don't know if other Garmin users do this. One thing
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that I really like about the Garmin, I think maybe is that you when you do strength workouts, you can put sets,
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reps, >> exercises, weights in >> and then it's like >> nice thighs or whatever. I don't I don't
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know. To be honest, I can't figure out how to use the data. >> Fractured thigh data.
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>> I've never used that. I've used Garmin for years and the sets and rep thinging
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I always just my strength workouts I essentially set up a bunch of different cardio workouts with just names of what
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I'm doing that day so I just know the general >> so that's what I've been doing for a
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long time too but I was curious if I could get some sort of insight into I don't know I even saying this out loud
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I'm like dude what are you doing but um I was just curious about the whole the
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whole platform and uh um when you're doing upper body workouts it's reasonably accurate like I would It gets
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the right exercise 75% of the time and gets the reps right about 50% of the time. I do like the
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interface on the AMOLED Fenix. Uh it makes it very easy to like change >> what how many sets of reps. But
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after workout, if you would like to correct Garmin's mistakes, you must do it in the Garmin Connect app, which is
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already uh not awesome. >> It's an app. >> Um it's an app. It is a app. Um but the
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thing that I is my did they even test this is I have found the search bar to when you want to correct a work an
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exercise to search for the correct exercise is the most difficult to use search bar I have ever used in my entire
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life. I don't know I cannot figure out the keyword logic. I cannot figure out
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anything about it. >> Have you searched in Gmail recently? >> I it's so much worse than Gmail. Like
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so, so yesterday I was doing onelegged leg presses with like a stability pad and I had given up
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I knew there was not going to be a stabil stability pad option, right? I'm in PT. I'm fixing my ankles. I'm fixing
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my calves. >> And uh so I was like, okay. So I Googled leg or excuse me, I put leg into the
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search bar. Nothing came up. I put press >> into the search bar. 50 million options
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came up obviously because of all the press. doesn't make sense. >> I put leg press into the search bar and
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leg press showed up. Not what I'm looking for. I did onelegged leg press. So, I put one leg, nothing again. I put
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one in, nothing comes up. I put one arm just because I put single, nothing. It's
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just like I literally cannot figure out for the life of me how to find any exercises in this.
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>> And then it's compounded by the fact that like I'm what I think a lot of
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people would call like a fitness like I really don't I'm still like learning what I'm doing in the gym. Um
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which I think makes me a great candidate for a product like this, but I'll be
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like I don't know what this exercise is called. And then I'll try to I'll like
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go into Google and be like exercise where you're on one foot and you take the thing and you swing it and like you
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know like and it'll just be like that's a Czechoslovakian double triple >> Bulgarian Bulgarian like
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>> actually to Garmin's credit Bulgarian split squats are in the app and that was
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>> those are very common though. >> If you search Bulgarian it does actually
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come up. >> That is like the hardest exercise you could possibly do. I fall over every time.
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>> Oh, have you guys used the the hydro tube with those? In my PT, they gave
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they give you >> Is that for balance? >> It's it's sick, Marquez.
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>> I I'm picturing something, but I want you to describe it. >> Okay. Picture like a 4ft hot dog filled
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with 15 to 30 lbs of liquid depending on how much it's like filled that day.
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>> And it's slloshing around. And so you put it over your shoulders like
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>> That sounds sweet. That sounds awesome. >> Barbell, is that what that's called?
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Boom. Like a barbell. >> And then not only do you have the weight of the water, but it's slloshing around.
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So, you have to activate your core and your shins. >> I need a foot. >> I need a 4 foot barbell filled with
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water. >> Sounds really useful. >> It was sick, but obviously there's no
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way to put that in your in your garment either. Um, anyway, so I would like to amend this. Did they even test this to
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um >> Please help. I mean, to be fair, someone tweet at me and tell me what I'm doing
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wrong, cuz it it can't it has to be me, right? Like, there's no way this premier
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fitness app has is this. >> I think it's a little bit of both. The thing is there's there's it's all about
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like you say, you're a beginner and there's people who are more advanced.
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Like, every exercise has a variation and a different name. And to some extent, I
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just kind of lump a lot of different exercises into into like a bigger category because it almost doesn't
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matter when I'm logging it. So if something is just in PT, I'll just label
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it all as PT and whatever edge I just >> or like >> if leg press was still in there. Even
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though you're doing single leg leg press with a whatever, I'd probably just label
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it leg press. But you prove that the search function is broken because you typed in
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>> leg press. >> You typed in leg and nothing came up, right? And then you press
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come up. >> But and it's like also it's like am I crazy? Like I feel like a single leg a
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single leg leg press is not like a arcane mysterious exercise. >> No pretty common.
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>> Yeah. So anyway, I guess I also without turning this into the waveform fitness
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podcast, uh when you guys are tracking strength stuff, are you looking at macro data like like data across large periods
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of time? Because that was my thing is like if I log all these workouts after a month, I will hopefully see some sort of
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macro trends that I'm interested in. But I'm curious. I don't even know what I'm
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looking for. >> What kind of data are you trying to look for? >> I don't know. I'm just I was sort of
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>> passive overload kind of thing. >> I was just sort of hoping I would log it
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and then the Garmin app would be like here's what you need to know. But it doesn't seem like it's ever going to be
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like here's what you need. >> I highly doubt the Garmin app is tuned to actually give you advice.
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>> Okay. >> It's probably just for hard data. >> I wouldn't be surprised if it's coming
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soon though with some sort of AI coaching because of their screenless band that's rumored for this year.
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>> Garmin has fighter jet money. Why do they need me to pay a subscription?
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That's ridiculous. >> But the Fitbit Air keeps winning. Keep stays winning.
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>> One more thing about about fitness. >> Okay. >> I successfully heard from one of my
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friends, and I don't know if this was the intended result. One of my non- techy friends. She said that we
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successfully deinfluenced her from buying a Fitbit Air. >> You know what's funny about That's so
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funny. I just got back from uh California for an unnamed shoot. But while I was there,
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>> yeah, you guys will find out soon enough what that was for. But while I was
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there, >> probably four or five people between the airports I was at and all the events
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that I went to said they pointed at the Fitbit on the wrist and they said, "I
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got this because of you." >> Really? >> Oh my god. >> And it was a lot of Fitbits and I was
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surprised at how many Fitbits, but yeah, >> they're apparently selling like an
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insane amount. It's the perfect price for a splurge. Like a Okay, I'll I'll do
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a Whoop you have to think about. >> Or for everyone thinking about a Whoop
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and then saw that and we're like >> No, I was saying the opposite. Like she
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was going to buy one until she listened to the Wave. >> That's what I was expecting more of.
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>> What was the reason that she didn't buy it cuz the app is so bad? >> Cuz we said it didn't work.
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>> Well, it works, but that the Gemini >> Yeah, it was that it was that the the
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whole app experience was just >> I mean, it's so I've read so many
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people's reviews at this point. Like Christian Selig put a blog post out about it. His takeaway was exactly the
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same. It was like, "This is a really, really great product that the app doesn't really work at all, but it's
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still a great product." And that was my take away, too. It's just weird. It's
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weird that I can still recommend it and also really enjoy it and also be like, "The app is crap."
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>> As long as it does the basics, that's all I care about. Google wants me to
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care about the AI coaching. I don't like cool, that's cute that it's there, but I
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just want to know if I took this many steps today. And like, it does that. So, yeah,
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>> it's it's a good product, but the app is very >> Yeah. Well, speaking of Fitbit, um this
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is convenient because this was next on our list. So, Fitbit has seen all the people that have been I guess Google has
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seen that the people that have been talking about the Fitbit Air, there's a there's this trend going around on
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social media where people are attaching traditional watches to the Fitbit Air strap.
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>> Yeah. >> Which looks pretty cool. Um a lot of sometimes it doesn't look quite right,
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but sometimes it looks okay. They're doing it by flipping the tracker part goes on the underside of their wrist and
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then looped through. Adam, am I saying this? NATO style for some of them, which just means that
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>> it slips through the lugs right on a watch. >> Yeah. Actually, sorry. I got to
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>> I I freaking love standards. And if I I'm going to fact check this out the
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episode because it's something I'm >> I'm pretty sure the NATO strap is like
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unbelievably specified. Like they're all exactly the same. so that countries in
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NATO can just buy insane bulk orders of straps and know they fit all military watches that they wear.
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>> It's like it's part of the insane like one of the big points of NATO is being
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able to like bulk order everything to like these insane standards and like share everything and then this random
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watch strap is just one of the cool standardized things we got out of that. Sorry, I love
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>> standards. >> North Atlantic Treaty Organization, we love it. So anyway, uh Dan Sea, who used
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to work at the Verge, now works at Google, shared a photo online of him using a traditional watch attached to
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his Fitbit Air. >> A Timex Marlin. >> Timex Marlin. >> Beautiful watch.
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>> Marlin is a fish. Um just so you guys know, >> and it looked pretty cool. Adam asked
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him, "Does this actually work?" Because a lot of people need to flip the Fitbit
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Air upside down and then it kind of goes against your wrist. Instead of the top of your wrist, it's at the bottom of
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your wrist. Yeah. and he said it's not officially supported but it works fine
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which is very interesting very surprising and so as of yesterday actually as of this morning Fitbit put out official
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specifications for the Fitbit Air so that anybody can make adapters can make straps can make you know bicep
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attachments or whatever which is amazing is what we were predicting >> well we were predicting that the third
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party market would exist regardless of if Google officially allowed it to exist >> and then Google went let me make that a
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little easier for you. >> Yeah, I think that they saw the things that people were doing with it and they
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were like, you know what, we're going to officially make this work and so that's
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very very very exciting because uh we are all kind of wrist maxing right now. We've been just like testing.
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>> Speak for yourself. Show the camera. Okay, show the camera cuz this is >> Well, this is what you did last week.
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>> This is what I was doing last week. Exactly. Almost the same. You have the
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bulky Apple Watch. I had the >> Yeah, the smaller one, >> the series 11, but yeah, the triple. Why
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are you Why do you have all three on now? >> Okay, so because after I put out my um
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Fitbit Air review on my blog, uh Whoop freaked out and they emailed me and they were like, "Can you just try it?" And I
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was like, "I'll try it." And to be fair, I should try it because I shouldn't be
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comparing it to Whoop if I hadn't tried it. Like that's the reason you're trying
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the Whoop, too. >> Yep. >> And so I'm giving it a shot for like a
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couple of weeks. Um and yeah, wub is >> that's how they get. >> We'll see. We'll see.
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>> $300 a year after that. I'm not paying that money, dude. There's no way.
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There's no way. It doesn't matter how good it is. Um Yeah. And then Dubdub's
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coming up next week, so I have to wear the Ultra, so I'm just like I'm just
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fitness maxing right now. >> Yeah. >> Um anyway, so yeah, I'm very excited for
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the strap ecosystems to sort of blow up for this. Like we said before, we'd love
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like bicep straps. We would love like just different types of watch adapters because we really want traditional
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watches to be able to be smart but still be traditional watches. Adam, are you wearing your traditional watch on top of
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your Fitbit Air? >> Absolutely not. I'm not a psycho. It's fine to just wear two things.
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>> Is it okay, man? >> It's okay as long as they're both not
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watches. Like the issue with the smart watches was that I would have a regular watch on my left hand and then a
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smartwatch on my right hand, which I only want for tracking, but it also tells the time. So now I'm like dual
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wristing for no real reason. But that's the beauty of like the Whoop and the
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Fitbit and the Amaze Fit. Like all these things are just straps. Like it's fine.
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It's just another accessory like a bracelet that I wear on the off hand. And then on my regular hand, I'll just
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wear my typical watch. >> Hearing you say that makes me feel less self-conscious about it cuz I I I don't
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want to wear two things. I just want to wear one. Not even wearing an Apple Watch.
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>> I'm not even wearing the Apple Watch right now. As long as it's not two of
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the same thing. That's where I'm like I get torn off. >> I was like I had what David had. I had
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three things at once, which is obviously insane. But if I have one watch on, see
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the thing is it's just one they're over overlapped a lot. So like the functionality of an Apple Watch and the
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functionality of a traditional watch overlap massively. So it looks silly. But if you just have a fitness tracker
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on, but you also have an Apple Watch, I think everyone also is aware that they're both fitness trackers because
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the Apple Watch is a fitness tracker to some extent, too. So, it still feels silly, but they do look different enough
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that it's okay. >> I think that's why people like the the straps. Totally agree. Like, it can be
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on your other wrist. I don't It probably could be on the same wrist, but I'd
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probably put it on two different ones. I was >> the whole flipping it on the bottom part
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of your wrist, though. Not only I mean I'm wondering how accurate it is but also
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>> who cares about the accuracy that much if it's at least consistently inaccurate
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which is what we talked about. >> I just think that seems really uncomfortable to have when you're like
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>> maybe I'm a nerd and just typing at a computer all day. That feels awful.
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That's why my Garmin always had a Velcro strap. That's why I really don't like
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bulky metal clasps on the bottom of watches. So to have a whole tracker there feels like a lot.
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>> Yeah, that is not comfortable, I will say. >> Yeah, I don't think so. But
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>> definitely more comfortable to be on the top. >> It's kind of Yeah, it looks kind of
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wild, but uh you know, the fact that people are doing it, it seems kind of fun. Um I don't know if that will
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actually be a thing a lot of people do. >> I just Googled it real quick cuz I was
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curious and this is the AI overview, but it does make a lot of sense of why it's
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advised not to wear it on the bottom of your wrist. the optical sensor, since it's optical, it's just about like
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having a seal with the light. So, it's just a thing up against your wrist and
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it's pointing at your wrist >> flat. >> When you wear it underneath your wrist,
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the tendons >> running through your fingers >> uh cause a lot of light leak because you
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move those tendons a lot and move your fingers and so it can introduce a lot of noise or light leak in that sensor dam.
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>> Makes sense. >> Watching tendons is kind of crazy. >> Yeah. So that's all I get that that may
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be noisier and a little bit less reliable for the fitness track. >> That's not what I was expecting. But I
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do remember in I think it was Dezfit's review uh he said that the Fitbit Air one thing
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is because it is thinner than the Whoop. An issue sometimes was that because the
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tracker is so close to the edge if it seemed to kind of poke up the light leak inside of that could screw it up. Where
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the Whoop is so much wider. there's less of a chance of light leak coming in.
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>> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Interesting. I would have thought that.
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I almost would have thought, "Oh, my veins. I can see on the bottom. Can it
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read my heart rate through my veins?" But that's just not how it works.
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>> Yeah, it makes it makes intuitive sense cuz like, oh, you feel your pulse there,
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so like obviously you should still be able to get my heart rate, but yeah, the there's a bunch more that you're
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reading, too. So, >> yeah, >> the optical sensor also needs more like
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muscle tissue, I believe. So like that's why the bicep straps are so popular
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because there's a lot of like muscle there for the optical sensor to read from versus the wrist which is like you
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said Mark has a bunch of tendons and stuff. >> Yeah, that would work for me if I had
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bias muscles. >> All right, so we don't >> you're TALKING ARMS. I just I don't It'll just fall
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off. I don't know. >> Your arms are bigger than mine, Marcus. >> You're fine. So, Adam will not be doing
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the uh >> No, it's also just like it introduces another layer of friction for me because
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I change watches a lot. Like there are times when I'll get home from work and
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like part of my routine is switching out a watch to like an at home watch, you know?
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>> I know Marquez. It's crazy, but that's part Well, so like I >> I get home, I plug in my phone, I put my
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Pixel Watch on so that I can leave my phone in the other room charging and I still get messages. So, like that's part
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of my thing. I will say this new Fitbit accessory like uh specifications going out for more people to do it I think is
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what seems whoop is like you can get different color bands you can get different color hardware the hardware is
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only that metal clasp right >> how easy the Fitbit Air is to pop out into another band and having multiples
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of them is so sick and when there's a thousand different versions of that >> I miss that
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>> for probably under 30 bucks is like awesome to be able to When's the Fitbit
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underwear coming? >> I don't think that's going to happen. >> Someone's already working on it.
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>> Are you doing a review on it? >> No, but if it helps make it happen,
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maybe >> we made duct tape. That's all I got to say. >> That's true.
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>> Do whatever you want. >> True. >> Speaking of uh regular watches that can
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be smart in some ways. >> Yes. Speaking of not watchaxing, >> but maybe watching
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>> semi watch maxing. >> Semi-watch maxing. >> I was going to say there's been a it's
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been a long time since there was no Garmin on this podcast, but Ellis is now the Garmin user. I've been wearing one
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for like three years straight pretty much, >> but I took it off and now I have.
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>> What? >> This is the Casio F91W. >> I've never been a Casio fan, but I saw
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this video the other day. >> Rise up. >> I don't have a problem with Casio. I
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think they're sick. I love >> I've just never worn one or I don't have
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the nostalgia for one, but I got this video on my recommended the other day called a new kind of smartwatch by Cam
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Shand and I sent it to Adam and then wounded up watching myself. But this company called Aliwatch makes a
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replacement board that can fit inside these Casios that are like $25. >> Yeah.
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>> And essentially turn it into a smartwatch. Now, I'm going to use smartwatch in extreme quotes here
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because >> it is a smartwatch that simultaneously this person who's running the project
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has done a million things for and it still does almost nothing. >> Yeah. What does it how do you
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>> Let me explain really quick on how I do it. you you essentially open the watch
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up, replace the board completely. So, it keeps the original screen, the original
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uh LED light, >> okay? >> All the original things, and then it puts a new board, and that gives it
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Bluetooth capabilities that now lets it your phone control the board. So, I can >> connect to my phone via Bluetooth and
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give it a bunch of different features. Now, some of these features, you know, it's there's still no vibration motor.
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There's still no >> I'm curious what features you >> heart rate sensor, uh heart rate sensor.
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So, >> time zones. >> It can do time zones. It can automatically sync times with your
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phone. Pretty cool. It can use It does have a gesture mode, which means I have a step tracker now on it, which is
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pretty cool. Probably wildly inaccurate. >> Yeah. So, it's kind of hacking into the
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fact that it has a gesture like an accelerometer to detect something. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think the new board has an
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accelerometer. Should you compare the steps to your phone steps? Like what? >> I should if I should honestly probably
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wear my Garmin for like a day and do it just cuz I almost never carry my phone with me. I leave it all the time. Um to
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see what that is. I'm almost positive. It does have a stopwatch and an alarm
00:21:38
which the Casio has already, but since it's connected to my phone, I can set it
00:21:41
up in my phone and it can mark things after I've done them. So if I do a if I
00:21:47
run the stopwatch and then stop it, it tracks that in the app and I can go back and edit what that may have been. Okay,
00:21:53
>> which is pretty cool. These are all the different faces that you can activate or
00:21:57
not activate. You can just go up and down through all the different I have my step counter, stopwatch, timer, alarm.
00:22:02
That's all I carry. >> Those are those are faces. >> These are different faces. There's like
00:22:06
>> you can play blackjack. >> Heart rate, >> heart rate, temperature.
00:22:10
>> Wait, wait, wait, hold on. >> Blackjack on the watch. >> You can play blackjack.
00:22:13
>> That's crazy. >> The heart rate is >> You monitor your heart rate while you
00:22:16
play blackjack? Uh, I don't think so because I'm pretty sure the way the
00:22:20
heart rate works on this is it starts a timer where you hold your neck, count the t the amount of pulses, and then it
00:22:26
calculates for you what your heart rate is. >> Oh my gosh. >> Very hacky way of doing it. Temperature
00:22:31
I have found basically says 100 all of the time cuz it's definitely just my skin temperature. Um, there's I can one
00:22:38
thing that's cool is it can change the RGB the LED to full RGB all of the different things. There's things like
00:22:44
raise to wake. Um, the reason I think it's so cool is I love tinkering. Putting this together was super fun,
00:22:51
even though it only took like 10 minutes. The the board is 50 bucks. I believe it's by a singular person in
00:22:57
Canada making and sending all of these out to the point where if you look for shipping updates, he just says they will
00:23:03
be shipped out in a week. And by that, I mean, I ship all of them on Friday. So,
00:23:07
no matter when you order it, it will ship out on Friday. That's how small this is. Um, but he did release a road
00:23:12
map that looks like he is trying to add notifications in Q2 this year. >> Just for you, Andrew.
00:23:19
>> Just for me, I don't know how he's going to do it. There's no vibration motor.
00:23:22
Probably through a chime or I'm hoping the LED or some sort of uh symbol on the
00:23:29
watch, but um >> yeah, I have three Casios and none of them are supported unfortunately, but um
00:23:35
this is an official plea to please support them. >> Which ones do you have out there? I
00:23:39
definitely have the AE1200 world timer. Uh, and then my most recent one I don't
00:23:44
know the model number of, but um, if you are the Ollie, what is it? Ollie Ollie watch. Ollie watch. If you're the watch
00:23:50
guy, email me and I'll tell you. >> David Evkd.com. >> Yeah, it works with a couple different
00:23:55
ones. Casio's got a million different watches. Um, I'm definitely missing
00:23:59
quite a few features on my Garmin. Ellis, I don't know if you've gotten used to the flashlight on your Fenix
00:24:04
yet. >> No. If you double tap the top left button, it should activate a flashlight.
00:24:11
>> And oh my gosh, >> the best part about it is if you scroll down, it can be a red flashlight.
00:24:17
>> It is >> primo for like waking up in the middle of the night and having to go to the
00:24:22
bathroom without tripping over everything, but also without blinding yourself. >> That's awesome.
00:24:26
>> It's weirdly the thing I miss the most. >> Funny. >> Walking Zuzu at night in winter when I'm
00:24:30
picking up her poop when she just went in some leaves that I don't know where
00:24:34
it landed. That flashlight is so clutch. >> It's so good. I miss that so much. I'm
00:24:37
going to miss um I leave my phone places all the time. People in this office can
00:24:42
can uh >> the amount of times I've seen it in the bathroom. >> Um so they say they're not in the road
00:24:49
map. They are not going to try and add like ping your phone. But if they somehow get notifications going, this
00:24:55
with maybe a a Fitbit error might be my new go-to. >> Not a Whoop. >> No. that
00:25:02
>> I said I'm not gonna say anything bad about Whoop today to myself. That's
00:25:05
where I end this right now. >> Wait, so why do you need it to be smart if you also have the Fibbit error?
00:25:12
>> Track, health tracking, sleep tracking. >> But the Fibbit Air also does all the
00:25:15
tracking that that can do. >> This does like no tracking. It does step tracking.
00:25:19
>> So what do you want that for? >> Tells time. >> But then why do you need the smartboard?
00:25:23
Notifications. >> Notifications >> is what he really wants. >> Yeah,
00:25:26
>> I'm okay. You're I have a bone to pick with all Why is everyone so against
00:25:31
notifications on Fitbit Air? >> There's two because I don't >> You can turn it off. You got I feel like
00:25:36
everyone here is actively asking to not include like it already has the capability to do this cuz it has a
00:25:42
vibration motor. So asking for it not to have it is just asking for it to not have a feature because you don't want it
00:25:48
>> significantly reduce the battery life. Number one. Number two, the whole point
00:25:51
of a screenless device is that you want to forget about it. >> It's just going to remind you all the
00:25:56
time that it's there. Yeah. Or turn it off if you don't want to use it. Why
00:26:00
would you not want the feature to have the option to turn it on for people who would want it?
00:26:04
>> I do think that having the option is nice and >> we should have more customizability
00:26:09
options like that. But this is my point. >> I think that it's almost a useless
00:26:15
feature because there is no screen. You will only be able to know what one notification is. Yeah.
00:26:20
>> Yeah. As your phone vibrating in your pocket. >> Yeah. It's like you can't I mean do like
00:26:26
one vibrate for text, two for phone. Maybe >> one vibrate for text, constant vibrate
00:26:30
for ring. That's literally all >> it's actually less information because
00:26:32
the phone does do different vibrations for different apps and the Fitbit probably wouldn't.
00:26:37
>> If it did one for a text and keep going for a ring, that's literally all I want
00:26:42
cuz that's the only notifications that I feel like are enough for me to be like,
00:26:46
"Oh, I feel like that's all it needs. Just give me phone calls and text me.
00:26:49
Here's my plea to Google. You want more of my information? Don't Don't you want
00:26:54
to track my phones and text messages notifications? >> They have other Fitbits, too, that have
00:26:59
like more or less screen. >> Somebody said that the like Charge 6 has a screen, but it's still kind of small,
00:27:04
but I think it still is really bulky compared to this. Plus, the like different straps are way lower profile
00:27:10
that you can swap out where the Charge 6, you can't do that. >> Feels like uh adding features back to a
00:27:15
minimalist phone. >> Yeah. >> Where it's like >> that's a good analogy.
00:27:19
>> Yes. You do want to be able to do more stuff, but the people are getting the
00:27:25
less capable version on purpose. >> Did we just get to the point where Marquez is
00:27:29
>> I'm not vouching for minimal phone. I don't want But I'm saying the reason
00:27:33
that people go for the minimalist phone cuz when I see a minimalist phone, I'm
00:27:36
like just get a regular phone and use it less. That's what my brain says. But
00:27:41
yeah, that's that's probably >> it. Seems wild to not want it when it
00:27:46
has everything it needs for it already. It feels like you're not giving us something just for the sake of not
00:27:51
giving it to us. >> It's like a books pommo. Just put a cellular radio on it. Just do it.
00:27:55
>> I think just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. >> Yeah.
00:27:59
>> Disagree with all you. And you all sound pretty anti-consumer right now. And I
00:28:04
think the comments will agree with me because of how smug I said saying that. Therefore, now they disagree with me.
00:28:10
>> Okay. So, okay. Here's a counter counter counterpoint. Every time you make a
00:28:14
point, I make a counter point. That's a straightland manifesto lyric >> that you tweeted six years ago. Um,
00:28:18
okay. >> That will come out in six years. >> Yeah, it's still it's still not out.
00:28:22
Anyway, uh, counter point counter counter counter point is that >> the a lot of people don't know how to
00:28:29
look in their settings, >> right? >> So, you're saying like a feature you can
00:28:33
turn off >> if it was if it was opt in. >> I'm I sorry, I was whispering that as
00:28:39
Marquez was saying something before. Oh, >> it can be default off. Okay. >> I don't care. Yeah.
00:28:43
>> All right. If people don't want to default it as off, add it as a feature
00:28:46
later. People have it already. They're not used to it. Give me it later. >> If there's a big flashing red button
00:28:50
that says, "If you turn this on, your battery life will be worse and your life
00:28:54
will get worse." >> Then yeah, I guess so. I guess I >> And you bought the wrong Fitbit.
00:28:59
>> Yeah, return it. >> I'm just picturing having that feature and I would turn it off after a couple
00:29:04
days. Like even as useful as it is, it doesn't give me the amount of usefulness
00:29:08
that will will let me leave it on. I love the fact that with my Garmin, my phone never vibrated.
00:29:15
It never rang. It never did anything for like 3 or 4 years. Now I have to have the vibration on to know when I'm
00:29:21
getting a call or a text. >> And I don't know how you all deal with this, but it's woken me up every single
00:29:28
night since because I forget to turn vibrations off when I go to sleep. >> Do not disturb routine.
00:29:33
>> But you have a routine, right? every day at 9:00. My phone >> I'll ask you this later on how to set it
00:29:38
up because it it has to be set up through assistant. >> No, >> no. A lot of phones you can just like
00:29:44
have do not disturb and like turn it turn on automatically at 9:00 p.m. every day.
00:29:48
>> Okay. I need to do that. Someone teach me how to do that cuz I'm an idiot.
00:29:53
>> Apparently, >> teach me teach me how to do that. Okay. >> Speaking of Google, yeah,
00:29:57
>> I saw this this morning on 9 to5 Google and then they also did a press release.
00:30:00
Um, Google is allowing websites to opt out of AI mode and overviews in Google search.
00:30:05
>> Ellis is saved. >> Let me explain what it's doing first. >> Yeah.
00:30:08
>> Um, so they're starting to test a new uh toggle in their search console console
00:30:14
which will allow website owners to um decide if they want the site to appear in Google's AI search features like AI
00:30:19
overviews, AI mode, or AI overviews and discover. Um, if you decide to opt out, you will not receive traffic or
00:30:26
impressions from generative AI features. And they also promise um it won't affect
00:30:30
your search rankings for regular Google searches. So like >> allegedly >> allegedly fair. Um one thing though, it
00:30:38
doesn't seem like it's stopping it from coming up in Gemini. This is like Google
00:30:41
search features. Um the funny thing in their press release uh were they claimed we are actively listening to feedback
00:30:50
from publishers and creators and engaging with regulators like the UK's compet competition and markets authority
00:30:55
to ensure website owners have the right tools as user preferences evolve aka >> UK got our ass again and we need to fix
00:31:03
something because of it. Um so that's why this is rolling out to UK website owners first before potentially moving
00:31:08
globally. Um, they said they are also working on rolling out new insights for website owners in the search console
00:31:14
that can help them understand the traffic they're getting, whether that's
00:31:16
coming from AI features going forward. So, that seems like a cool thing to add on top of this because
00:31:24
>> obviously they don't want people to opt out. So, give them some more information
00:31:28
on >> maybe to claw them back in like look at all these sweet insights you're getting.
00:31:33
Yeah, this gives Google a chance to put their money where their mouth is because
00:31:36
their their big argument, I don't know if you listen to Neili's interview with
00:31:40
Sundar, >> but uh Google's argument is that yeah, there's going to be less traffic to a
00:31:45
lot of websites because of AI overview, but the traffic that websites do get will be way more specific and
00:31:51
highquality traffic. And that's, you know, obviously great for commerce and great for certain websites, but
00:31:57
>> I don't know if anybody believes that right off the bat. We'll have to like
00:32:00
see that actually play out. So to offer the tools and insights to see, oh, okay,
00:32:05
I was getting, let's say, 100 page views a day or something like that. Now I'm
00:32:08
getting 20, but all 20 of them buy something instead of 20 out of the hundred. >> If you're an affiliate based website,
00:32:16
that's awesome. >> Yeah, I was just going to say that ignores the fact that a lot of websites
00:32:19
exist off of like banner ads, >> banner, ad traffic disappears for those websites. Yeah,
00:32:26
>> but yeah, it's it's at least an opportunity to show like how the traffic
00:32:31
changes based on you opting in or opting out. >> Yeah, I mean giving them giving them the
00:32:37
option is good. Giving them more information to make that decision is good. >> Wikipedia opts out.
00:32:43
>> Okay, so that was something people were talking about on Reddit. Um, so I have a
00:32:47
list of like some things I'm interested to see how this changes. Um, one, how
00:32:51
many owners look at the statistics and what decision they wind up making. I think most website owners right now are
00:32:56
like, I hate AI overviews because they're stealing traffic. When they see this, I want to see if a lot of people
00:33:03
will actually stay or if they will opt out. >> Um, if large websites opt out, one, how
00:33:09
does that affect AI responses if Wikipedia like decides to? If they're big enough, will Google try and make
00:33:15
some sort of agreement with them >> to make sure that they don't like if a
00:33:19
Wikipedia opts out, I can't imagine Google wouldn't be like, uh, we need to
00:33:23
find some sort of compensation. >> I mean, they did it with Reddit. They made a deal specifically with Red, so I
00:33:28
could see them doing that. >> I could definitely see that. Um, then my other question is, if a website opts out
00:33:34
now, how much of >> they're existing? >> Yeah. Like information is already in the
00:33:40
zeitgeist of >> Oh. They've already scraped the entire scraping stops, but whatever was already
00:33:47
scraped is probably already in. My model trained up until Yeah, >> which is Yeah, I feel like they need an
00:33:54
answer for that. There's no way they're taking it out because it's all trained
00:33:56
and they essentially can't, right? >> So, >> whoopde-doo. I guess in the future
00:34:02
that's nice, but right now kind of sucks. But >> I just hope that in the search console
00:34:06
there's a little toggle for me to turn on and off notifications. I agree. It
00:34:13
>> feels like the the model I was going to call it a black box. Like the training
00:34:16
data is just in the black box and then I just thought of the analogy that it's
00:34:19
kind of like a black hole. Like all of all of the mass of the star is already in. So you can't take it out. Like I
00:34:26
know it's part of all the rest of the stuff in there, but the mass is too dense. You just you can't pull out one
00:34:32
of the things. Once it's in there, it's in there. >> You get sucked in.
00:34:35
>> We only get the hawking radiation from the nerves. >> Yeah. Yeah. What about the honking
00:34:40
radiation Marquez? A pulsar. >> I think I can name all the planets. >> All right.
00:34:47
>> That's how much interested. >> Well, uh after the break, we are going
00:34:50
to talk a little bit about Nvidia's new RTX Spark chipset that's trying to upset
00:34:55
Apple, but maybe won't. We'll see. Uh before that though, we got something
00:35:01
that always comes out of the black hole. A tech trip. That's got That's got to be on the
00:35:09
board. That's got to be >> uh a tech question. >> A tech trivia question.
00:35:18
>> I slept for 30% of the What? I was supposed to have you >> according to Whoop.
00:35:22
>> Yeah. >> Uh tech trivia. >> Have you ever had a dream that and you
00:35:27
and you could and that and you that that you and that you could do anything? >> I heard the word Google and I heard the
00:35:32
word opt out and I immediately >> opted out of Google. I immediately remembered the old days where you had to
00:35:38
opt out of your Gmail getting every single plus notification and message that you ever dreamed of. So, I wanted
00:35:44
to write a Google+ trivia question. Doesn't really have that much to do with
00:35:47
the topic today, but we all miss Plus. And by we all, I mean, you know, someone out there. Um,
00:35:53
>> Marquez, is that someone? >> Google, as we all know, loved to try new
00:35:56
things. And they really, really love to try new things back in the day. I guess they still do this trivia question.
00:36:02
>> Not as much. They used to experiment a lot more. >> They do. And so today's trivia question
00:36:05
is how many social media services did Google launch before plus? >> Oh my god.
00:36:11
>> Before Google+ and >> name them. >> You don't have to name them but it will
00:36:16
be prices right rules. So if you're too if you think Google is too ambitious
00:36:21
>> social media find social media >> and you're I need you to say the
00:36:25
question very specifically. Google launched didn't buy >> launched. I am going to confirm over the
00:36:32
next section that they did not purchase any of these. >> Okay. >> Um, but to my knowledge, if they were
00:36:38
purchased, they were purchased pre-launched and launched by Google. How many social media services did Google
00:36:44
launch >> before? And I know, you know, I thought I rounded up every single one I could
00:36:51
find. I'm going to go double check because it's Google. They could have launched six that somehow I never heard
00:36:57
of. Uh, but these are all ones that I think a reasonable tech enthusiast might not remember off the top of their head,
00:37:04
but would remember if spoken aloud >> social media. >> Adam, do you agree?
00:37:09
>> Mhm. >> Adam agrees. >> Okay. I can't find it, but did you see
00:37:12
the subreddit post of like, I hate prices, right? >> Wait on our >> Why? What was I? It was just like I just
00:37:20
don't get >> said Delta is better, which is kind of true. >> Closest Delta. I like closest Delta.
00:37:25
Yeah, cuz it's delically better, >> especially when no one really has any
00:37:29
idea what the ballpark of the answer is actually. >> Should we do that? I I I think
00:37:33
>> I'm fine swapping around. Yeah. >> Yeah. What am I talking about here?
00:37:37
>> Is Price is right. An internationally known. >> I think so. >> It's pretty cool.
00:37:41
>> It's ISO standard 3892-4 BC. >> No, that's peanut butter.
00:37:46
>> You're so right. >> That's the panone color. No, I feel like
00:37:48
I feel like that's a maybe more local fun rule that we've implemented, but
00:37:53
whatever. I like I like swapping >> as long as everyone knows what it means.
00:37:56
>> Okay. >> Whatever you want, Ellis. You're the You're the >> Yeah, you guys are the game masters. I'm
00:38:00
just, you know, we're just living in your world. >> Happy jolly energy
00:38:03
>> until we all get it wrong and then I will not be happy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:07
>> All right. Answers answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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All right, welcome back. We got to talk about this upcoming Apple event. So, by the time you hear this, it's Friday.
00:39:21
WWDC 2026 is Monday and Dubdub every year. It's their developer conference. We get all this software, occasionally a
00:39:29
little bit of hardware or like some teasing of some hardware. I think the last one we heard about was Mac Pro at
00:39:35
Dubdub >> maybe. >> But usually it's just iOS, iPad OS, watch OS, all the OSs get updated
00:39:41
>> and we do have some expectations for that this year. >> Uh we got our invite. We will be out
00:39:46
there. The clue that we have is all systems glow. As you know, Siri is the thing that glows in iOS because the rest
00:39:55
of it is liquid glass. So, >> yeah, >> we are expecting finally to get, I
00:40:01
guess, a reannouncement >> Yeah. >> of all the stuff we were expecting.
00:40:04
>> Two funny things about this. One, last year's tagline was it's glow time.
00:40:08
>> Yeah. >> And they didn't do it, >> but we don't talk about that. Also, the
00:40:13
person that announced the revamped Siri two years ago now works at OpenAI. >> Oh,
00:40:19
>> the person on stage at Dubdub who announced it. Oh, yeah. We don't talk
00:40:22
about that either. >> Yeah, >> we don't talk about Siri. So, yeah, we
00:40:27
hope it comes back. I was like scouring the internet for all of the rumors, right? Because we wanted to do a rumor
00:40:32
roundup. I actually promised you guys a rumor roundup last week. I lied to you. Uh, I looked online everywhere. I was
00:40:38
like, top WDC rumors. I got some. >> You You got some small stuff >> cuz everything I found was just like
00:40:45
>> Siri. >> It's Yeah, this is dubdubdub 2024 part two >> redux.
00:40:51
>> Yeah. I mean, the main thing that I think is interesting is so obviously the
00:40:55
iPhone is the thing that Apple does and the way they they the way they differentiate their products very often
00:41:02
if you look back at the history of Apple is just making their new thing the one that works with the iPhone the best.
00:41:07
Right. >> Yeah. So, they've been super behind in all this AI and having large language
00:41:11
models and having an assistant, but they're finally going to have this new Siri. And what I'm expecting is for them
00:41:17
to try to find ways that this assistant is the one that works with the iPhone the best. So, how do they do that? One
00:41:24
is a pre-installed Siri app that kind of looks like a messaging app where you can
00:41:29
just talk to Siri. I think potentially it's in the messaging app where you just
00:41:32
message Siri like you're texting it. >> Yeah. Um, but then two of course is like
00:41:37
if you have Chat GBT the app or Gemini the app or any of these other apps like clawed on your iPhone, they can only
00:41:43
tell you so much about your actual phone. They know about what you've plugged into it and what you've given it
00:41:47
access to, but they don't know your messages or your calendar. They can't
00:41:51
act on your iPhone for you. So, I just generally I mean they teased a lot of the stuff already, but I generally
00:41:56
expect them to give Siri a bunch of abilities to dig into your iPhone and use that contact data, calendar data.
00:42:04
whatever it >> is where Apple is going to have a lot of explaining to do because the entire
00:42:12
thing that they kind of sell is privacy and they're going to have to reassure
00:42:18
people over and over and over again that even though it is using the data that is
00:42:22
on your phone with the text and the everything in the stuff and it's AI, we're not going to see it. It's not
00:42:28
going anywhere. They're going to have to talk about their private cloud compute
00:42:31
thing again. They're going to have to say the Gemini Nano model runs locally
00:42:35
on the phone. There's no data coming to Apple. Uh because again, it's going to
00:42:41
need all that context. Like for example, Gemini Spark that we talked about briefly last week from IO. We uh I have
00:42:48
early access to it and I tried it a little bit. David Pierce wrote a really good article about it and it's it's kind
00:42:54
of creepy how much information it knows about you. Like uh when in Pierce's article that he wrote about it, he said
00:43:00
like, "Plan me this trip." And it knew his wife's name. It knew a time his kid
00:43:05
takes a nap. Is this because it's Gemini and it's plugged into your accounts and
00:43:09
has all of that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Uh and so Apple is going to have to be
00:43:15
very clear about the information that they're pulling from your devices and all this stuff. it clear. Again, Apple
00:43:21
doesn't have nearly as much information as Google has about you because it doesn't have like I guess I mean I guess
00:43:26
they kind of have iCloud Drive. They can kind of pull from documents and stuff, but they don't have their own documents
00:43:31
creator thing that people actually use. They're just going to have a little bit
00:43:35
less context, but yeah, it's it's going to be a lot of explaining like security
00:43:40
security privacy privacy privacy ondevice models. >> Yeah, >> we'll see how regular people take They
00:43:45
just have to show that little Apple logo that's a lock and it goes. >> I We should take That's right. on how
00:43:50
many times they do that animation. They for sure are going to do that at least one time full screen.
00:43:55
>> Oh yeah. >> During WDW I can see that. Um Yeah. No, that's it's true. And also like to your
00:44:01
point, Google is essentially an ads and data collection company. So they have all these great
00:44:09
services that also serve as ways to collect data. So like I we use Google Docs, great. We use Google Calendar as a
00:44:15
company. Great. We use Gmail. Okay. So, all this stuff is really useful to us as
00:44:19
services, but then Gemini pulls from all that to be helpful for us. >> Apple, I mean, yeah, they have iCloud.
00:44:26
They don't have a they have they have iical. So, if you if your calendar is an
00:44:30
iical, they can use that. Your contacts, your your iMessage. >> But then >> your iMessage even feels like a stretch
00:44:37
for Apple to use that data to be honest. >> If it's on your device, >> yeah,
00:44:42
>> it's cool. I think it's okay, but I think that the the messaging is going to
00:44:47
be a little complicated. For some reason, texts are the things that people always think about the most when they
00:44:52
think about is this data leaking? >> So, I don't know. >> Yeah, it just makes it hard because they
00:44:57
don't have as much data and services. I guess it makes it harder for them to
00:45:00
make a useful assistant. So, we'll see what sort of stuff they plug into with
00:45:02
the iPhone. >> Yeah, Gemini has like a daily brief feature now that I >> I actually think mine's been really
00:45:08
good. >> I've been waiting for it to get good. >> Really? >> Every day I read my daily brief and I
00:45:11
just shake my head. Mine is like so weirdly good. What is yours? Do you use it too?
00:45:16
>> Yeah, mine is >> Tell me what's in your daily brief cuz mine is just like here's some emails you
00:45:20
got and I'm like yeah I read those already this morning. >> Oh wow. No.
00:45:23
>> What are your What is your daily >> comes to me when I wake up. >> Yeah.
00:45:26
>> Mine gets Okay. Yeah. So it shows up in the morning, but often I've I've
00:45:30
dismissed a bunch of emails from the night before and it's telling me about those again and it's telling me to take
00:45:35
actions on things that are emails that I'm already going to do cuz I read my
00:45:39
emails. >> Yeah. >> So what does yours do? Mine's like, "Oh,
00:45:43
this thing that you bought on eBay finally shipped. Here's the tracking number
00:45:46
>> because of the email." >> Uh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> But like, I don't know. That might be
00:45:50
buried in my I just like having it all in one place. And it's like >> like your inbox.
00:45:56
>> I don't know. >> Not everything. No. No. Not cuz not everything in my life is in my email,
00:46:01
>> right? Because it mixes in things that happen in my email and in my calendar
00:46:06
and in like my Google Drive, stuff like that or in my Google tasks. You know what's been weirdly better? What is I've
00:46:13
been using Dia and this is not an ad for them but the browser >> and because I have Google Docs open and
00:46:19
I've given it access to stuff. It knows what docs I've been working on and it's
00:46:22
seen my calendar and it knows this other stuff and the daily brief that pops up in the morning from DIA
00:46:28
>> is often more more variety like it it knows what documents I've been working
00:46:33
on. It's like here's some stuff like know some sources to help you finish
00:46:36
this dope tech video you've been writing. Is this on your phone? This is on via the browser on my on my desktop.
00:46:41
So like that has been more useful because it's not all just emails. It goes, "Oh, you have some unresolved
00:46:46
comments from the Google docu from Andrew and Harper on this on this thing you've been writing."
00:46:51
>> Yeah, >> that's pretty useful. >> Um, but leaving those comments, I like
00:46:56
that a lot. >> But the the goo the Google one I get every morning is just like a summary of
00:47:00
my email. >> Let me let me tell you my daily brief. Okay. So, okay. So, I'm shipping a
00:47:04
product to a friend and then they're going to bring it to me. It's just a
00:47:08
kind of a complicated thing. Um, and it for some reason it knows the friend that
00:47:13
I'm shipping it to and it tells so it not only was like here's your tracking
00:47:18
information, but it says share the tracking information with him so that he can bring it to you.
00:47:25
>> That's nice. >> Which is crazy cuz I didn't, you know, that's not in the email from eBay. It's
00:47:30
kind of a complicated. It's It's interesting. I don't know how it knows
00:47:32
that. Mhm. >> Um, inspect the package that got delivered last night to make sure that
00:47:37
nothing got like there was no transit damage, which is convenient cuz it knows that something recently got damaged in
00:47:43
transit, I think, cuz I like submitted a claim. It's kind of interesting. Um,
00:47:47
last night I was trying to transfer from the iPhone Air over to the iPhone Pro Max and it was freezing constantly. So,
00:47:54
it's like make sure you resolve the freezing issue, which is, you know, obviously something.
00:47:59
>> How does it know that? Cuz you're Google searching. because I I asked Gemini once
00:48:03
yesterday like I'm trying to transfer and it it's freezing. Like what's the
00:48:07
best thing to do? >> Um here's a package that I didn't know was arriving today where it's like hey
00:48:12
this thing is arriving today. It should get there whatever. Uh >> must be from an email right
00:48:17
>> upcoming birthdays which is one is on Friday which I didn't know about. Like I wouldn't have checked
00:48:22
my calendar to like try to see that the birthday was >> interesting. So I'm just so dialed in my
00:48:26
calendar and inbox that this feels redundant to me. But if I wasn't checking my calendar in my inbox,
00:48:31
>> I do not live in my email at all. And the only I mean I use my calendar like
00:48:35
crazy, but the only reason I use it is to make sure I'm not double scheduling
00:48:39
things when people ask to like hang out or do something, you know. >> Okay.
00:48:43
>> So maybe we just have different I think for people that live in their email,
00:48:46
maybe it's not as >> it's pretty redundant information. Okay. >> What does yours do, Adam?
00:48:51
>> Mine I I'm like a mix. Like I live in my email, but I also live in my calendar,
00:48:55
but I also live in my notes app. Like I'm all over the place. So my email specifically, the things I pay attention
00:49:01
for are appointments, which may or may not reflect on my Google calendar. But for example, the one that saved me
00:49:08
yesterday actually was last week I have a class every Tuesday with a Spanish tutor that I meet on Zoom and we go
00:49:15
through it for an hour. We had a miscommunication about scheduling and when we were going to talk, all this
00:49:20
stuff. So that was like a long email thread that it's all in Spanish, which I'm not great at. So it all like got
00:49:26
lost in translation literally. So yesterday I woke up and the Google Assistant little thing daily brief.
00:49:33
>> Yeah, Gemini daily brief. Thank you. Was like, "Oh, don't forget you have your
00:49:36
Spanish class today." And the the email thread is all in Spanish. And I was
00:49:39
like, "Oh, snap. It is today." Like, "Yeah, let me let me lock that in my
00:49:42
calendar 1:00. Have my calendar." Blah, blah. So like things like that. It was
00:49:45
like things that I would otherwise miss or not really pay attention to. Subscriptions that I meant to cancel but
00:49:51
I keep forgetting. like it'll keep reminding you like don't forget last week you wanted to do this thing and I
00:49:56
still see that it's still there. >> I like rarely check my email so honest I
00:50:01
should check it more but honestly like it sending telling me that things are arriving today's that I've that I've
00:50:06
ordered that I just didn't know about is very helpful especially since packages
00:50:09
get stolen from my apartment like all the time. >> Yeah. >> So >> yeah that's a okay yeah I makes a lot of
00:50:14
sense as someone who's not in the inbox all the time >> that this would be useful. I'm looking
00:50:19
at my daily brief again. It's literally just, hey, you got an email. >> Yeah.
00:50:23
>> You want to do anything about that? Here's another email. >> And yeah, it's it's not really pulling
00:50:28
from anywhere other than email. >> How are you guys finding your daily brief?
00:50:31
>> It's in the Gemini app. >> Yeah, it's near the top if you open the
00:50:34
sidebar. >> Yeah, you can also get a notification for it every morning when you wake up.
00:50:38
>> That's what I get. And I didn't realize I could just go to the Gemini app to see
00:50:41
it again. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Dial in your new podcast room layout. >> Yeah. Modify or confirm your Chewy auto
00:50:47
ship order. Still have to do that. See, you completely forgot about that. >> Uh, review GitHub app claude requests
00:50:55
for system permissions. Should probably check that. Sounds important. >> Sounds important to me. I'm just saying
00:51:01
I think it's I think it's quite good and it's going to be interesting to see how
00:51:05
Apple like what data Apple allows the their local models to collect and like use to actually be helpful cuz Google
00:51:13
Google has never pretended to be about privacy whatsoever. They're more like
00:51:17
actually just give us all our data and we will give you useful features and Apple is like we don't look at anything.
00:51:22
So it's just going to be it's going to be different. But I'm interested I'm
00:51:26
quite interested in what they do next week um in that in that use case. >> Obviously they're going to update all of
00:51:32
the OSS. Um so literally no idea what they're going to do for the watch. You
00:51:38
know, it's like it seems like every year they come up with a new metric, a new
00:51:42
health metric that I didn't know existed. and they add a new sensor. Yeah, because
00:51:47
they need to sell a new watch. Um, so that's strange. >> I feel like the last two years, was it
00:51:52
the last two years this where they're like, "This is the biggest update to
00:51:56
watch OS." >> Oh, watch OS 10. Yeah. >> Yeah. And it was like nothing.
00:51:59
>> Yeah. >> Watch it just come out of nowhere and be like sick this.
00:52:04
>> Yeah. I really want them to Oh, yes. Yeah. That's a great Yeah. Like one new
00:52:08
watch face, >> one new sensory. Or honestly, two Snoopies, >> they could probably just Sherlock Bevel.
00:52:15
>> Bevel is the like >> actually. Yeah. >> Yeah. So Bev Well, if you don't know
00:52:19
what Bevel is, Bevel is like the Whoop. It's an app that you use that takes your
00:52:24
Apple Watch data and it turns it into Whoop $100 a year. >> Uh it's only $100 for the AI features.
00:52:31
>> I figured someone posted on our subreddit, the majority of the stats are
00:52:35
just free subscriptions AI features. >> That's cool. Okay, that's even better.
00:52:39
Uh, and so Apple has a real opportunity to kind of make especially the Ultra like make it a hardcore one.
00:52:45
>> Maybe this ties into Siri. Maybe Siri is a fitness coach >> based on your health data. Yeah, Sydney
00:52:50
Siri looks at all of this fitness data in the health app and it becomes a chatable actionable like coach for
00:52:57
beginners to understand like hey you have trends like you can always open the health app and look at all these numbers
00:53:01
and graphs and I don't know what to do with those a lot of times but maybe Siri
00:53:05
is like a little >> Siri even set two timers and you wanted to tell you how you should
00:53:11
>> we're going to get a revamped Siri it's going to be the the new Gemini series
00:53:15
it's going to be good allegedly is it two years late now or is it three >> or I guess it's
00:53:19
>> announced that >> a year and a half late, right? >> Yeah. And announced almost two years
00:53:23
ago. >> Okay. Year and a half late. >> To be for the next iPhone launch. So,
00:53:27
yeah, half a year later. >> I hope they make uh Mac OS Tahoe better. Apparently, there was a leaked uh name
00:53:33
for the new OS version. It's potentially called Big Bear, which is a lake in
00:53:37
California. >> Like Mac OS. >> Yeah. >> Big Bear. >> Big Bear.
00:53:41
>> Big Bear. >> Big Bear. >> Big Bear. >> I'm realizing that
00:53:46
>> Big Bear is Yeah, it's a great lake. I'm realizing not everyone knows about big
00:53:49
data. >> I know. It's a California. >> Yeah. Wow. >> They're running out of popular things.
00:53:54
>> I mean, a lot of people didn't know about Tahoe either. >> Correct.
00:53:57
>> Yeah. >> I just I feel like when you live in California, everyone's always talking
00:54:00
about Big Bear. >> Yeah. People go to Big Bear to like vacation like >> Big Bear.
00:54:04
>> It's awesome. It's awesome. Like >> Wait a second. Are you guys from
00:54:06
California? >> Uh this is how fast they ran out of stuff, right? They had all the the Snow
00:54:11
Leopard, Cheetah, Puma, all those, right? Then they got to California stuff for OS 10.9. Okay. Mavericks, Yusede, El
00:54:17
Capitan. >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. >> California >> Sierra. Hi, Sierra.
00:54:22
>> California, California. >> Mojave, >> California. >> Catalina,
00:54:25
>> California. >> Big sir. Now we're just obscure. Monterey. >> Monterey is not obscure.
00:54:31
>> Ventur is Ventura is not obscure. >> Yeah. >> Honestly, didn't know Ventura was a
00:54:37
place >> because you guys are not from California. >> Exactly. >> It is a little obscure.
00:54:41
>> Most people aren't from California. Oh, but then actually statistically in the
00:54:45
United States most people are from California. >> Most people are are aware of California
00:54:52
but not intimately aware of all the things like I think we've run out of the
00:54:56
popular I mean let's name it after a city but these are generally like you know pretty places in California.
00:55:04
>> Marquez according better >> according to AI overview 12% of all Americans are born in California.
00:55:11
>> Yeah. And 80% aren't >> very few. >> More than anywhere else.
00:55:15
>> Uh, no, it's not. >> I think it is. >> Um, I think it's top three.
00:55:19
>> It's probably top one. >> It's probably two. I think it's number
00:55:22
one. >> How many people live in New York State? >> A lot less than California.
00:55:27
>> Oh, less than California. >> What about Texas? >> Less 8 million less than California.
00:55:31
>> All right. >> Yeah, California. >> It's probably California.
00:55:33
>> Anyway, I'm just saying like these are all beautiful places. >> I agree. and the videos that they do to,
00:55:39
you know, Craig's gonna get on stage and say, "Our crack marketing team." He's
00:55:42
gonna say that. True. Word for word. And he's gonna announce this new thing and
00:55:45
there's gonna be a very pretty video of it and people from California are going
00:55:48
to recognize it from the video before they say the name. They'd be like, "Oh
00:55:51
my god, it's Big Bear." And people are going to be like, "What's Big Bear?"
00:55:54
>> You know what? I hope they California state flag is a bear. >> So, I hope I hope they like zoom out of
00:56:00
the flag and it's a bear and then they do a fly over of Big Bear Lake. Wait,
00:56:04
did they tease this like four years ago when that bear broke into that guy's
00:56:07
house and the the watch bear bear? >> That's a big bear. >> Yeah, I could be one, too.
00:56:15
>> RTX Spark. >> RTX Spark. Speaking of big, >> wait a second, that's not in California.
00:56:21
>> Don't you know RTX Spark in California? >> Uh, okay. So, Apple a number of years
00:56:27
ago, 2020, released the M1 series processors. Big deal. Big change. ARMbased. Changed the world. Okay.
00:56:34
>> Been chasing it that high ever since. >> Everyone's been chasing that high.
00:56:36
Microsoft has been chasing that high. Qualcomm's been chasing that high. They
00:56:39
can never seem to do it because Windows just sucks, unfortunately. It is It is truly not good.
00:56:46
>> Yeah. >> Uh because they need backwards compatibility for like a hundred years.
00:56:49
So, Nvidia, uh multi-trillion dollar company, what do they do? >> Heard of them?
00:56:55
>> You might not have heard of them. >> They're the big bear in the room.
00:56:57
>> They're the biggest bear in the room. What they did was they made a competitor
00:57:03
to the M1. It's called the RTX Spark uh super chip. It's effectively a laptop/
00:57:09
you know desktop PC version of the DGX Spark from last year which was a personal dev kit AI box that combines
00:57:17
CPU GPU all-in-one chip. Now they're going to put this thing in laptops which
00:57:23
is pretty crazy. We don't know really any performance. Uh we don't really know
00:57:27
any pricing. We just have numbers. We have a lot of numbers, >> David. It has all day battery life
00:57:34
>> up to up to all day. >> See, I mean, it is a three nanometer process, so maybe it'll be okay with
00:57:40
with efficiency, but yeah, it's got 20 CPU cores, 6,144 GPU cores. They say it can have up to
00:57:47
RTX RTX 5070 equivalent graphics. We don't know if that's the 5070 on the
00:57:53
desktop or the 5070 on the laptop, which are very >> They don't specify. You can probably
00:57:57
assume it's the lesser. Probably assume uh up to 128 gigabytes of unified memory, but it starts at 16 gigs of
00:58:04
unified memory. >> Uh all day battery life, built-in partner built in partnership with
00:58:09
MediaTek, uh one pedaflop of AI compute, 600 gigabytes per second bandwidth, or maybe that's gigabits. I didn't I'm not
00:58:17
sure if I read it correctly. >> Gabbits. >> Uh Jensen talked a lot about this being
00:58:21
a platform for agents. Um he said agents a lot. He he used that word many times.
00:58:28
He said, "There are only a billion people, but there are so many more agents.
00:58:34
>> I'm serious about this." >> Make sure you pronounce it very
00:58:37
carefully. >> I also don't know why he said only a billion people cuz I think there's about
00:58:41
8 billion people. >> Yeah. >> But yeah. Okay. You want my take on this? Let's go.
00:58:46
>> Based on what I've seen, >> yeah, >> you know, we got this announcement. We
00:58:49
got them focusing very heavily on AI and agents and how, you know, with up to 128
00:58:55
gigs of unified memory, you can run all these local large language models and do
00:58:59
all this stuff and execute all these tasks and have even these optimizations. They talked about Adobe with like
00:59:05
special versions. Obviously, you have CUDAors because it's Nvidia, but special
00:59:09
versions of this new Adobe software where you can have it make stuff for you in the creative suite. Crazy agents h
00:59:16
happening on your computer. My take basically, which is probably based on how little time I spend in this
00:59:23
PC world, is the window for how good or bad this could be is >> enormous. No pun intended.
00:59:30
>> Windows, >> but the window for how high the ceiling could be or how low the floor could be
00:59:34
is huge. >> I think how bad it could be is okay, we don't know how bad like the base chip
00:59:39
is. Okay, starting at 16 gigs unified memory. You got a bunch of cores and obviously a whole bunch of bandwidth 3
00:59:44
nm process and then it's just you know base just replacing the Intel chip that
00:59:51
you would have had level and that's okay and maybe it's a little too expensive.
00:59:55
the ceiling is like it is as good as the Apple silicon chips and it's better
00:59:59
because of all the optimizations and the CUDA cores and it has all this local you
01:00:04
know processing available all this AI uh for all the agents you're going to run so it's better for that sort of
01:00:11
stuff so the the window and obviously it runs Windows so like however into that you are the window for how good or bad
01:00:18
this could be is huge to me >> so I am I'm going to wait to actually get my hands on it they announced a
01:00:22
whole bunch of laptop uh OEMs are going to making these RTX Spark laptops and they're all very thin and very powerful.
01:00:28
Very premium looking. They all scream high price. >> Yeah. >> But they haven't announced any specs or
01:00:35
prices or benchmarks yet. So, I'm just going to wait until we get some in hand
01:00:40
and actually use them, >> benchmark them, and see how good they actually are. The DJX Spark last year
01:00:45
was announced at $3,000. When it came out, it was $4,000 and then within a few months it became $4,600.
01:00:52
And then for some reason the Dell version was $6,300. >> So yeah, they're probably going to be
01:00:59
pretty expensive. Again, we don't really know anything about battery life. The
01:01:03
GGX Spark pulled 140 watts from the wall. Hopefully it doesn't pull that much. It's going to be scaled down a
01:01:09
lot. >> Yeah, >> L is just saying something about 150 watts and then the battery life. Not
01:01:15
>> that last like hours. >> Yeah, it was like the math isn't mathing
01:01:19
here, but like all of it because this is all at Compyex, right? Yeah. And like >> well there was Competitex and then there
01:01:24
was Nvidia had their own thing and then there was also Microsoft Build which happened like right after.
01:01:29
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I mean they announced in it the Microsoft Surface Ultra which is a
01:01:33
15-inch miniLEDD touchscreen. Uh you know the largest haptic trackpad in a Surface ever. Um one thing that was kind
01:01:41
>> exactly like a MacBook Pro. By the way, >> I saw that it also just looks exactly
01:01:45
like a Microsoft Surface laptop. It's looked like except maybe a tad boxier,
01:01:51
like thicker and less less of a wedge shape, but I just think it's looked like
01:01:54
a Surface for like that for a while. Um, the Verge said that like looked exactly
01:01:59
like a MacBook and I was like >> it looks just like a >> more like a MacBook, but maybe I'm
01:02:04
wrong. >> Surface Ultra is also a funny name. I mean, yeah, huge trackpad, black
01:02:08
keyboard, thin bezels. One thing I thought was interesting that Tom Warren said is, "So, it's got USBC, HDMI, full
01:02:14
size SD, headphone jack, but there's an USBC port on the right that he says looks a little bit larger." And when he
01:02:20
asked the Microsoft employee, they just smiled and said they'd have more to share later,
01:02:24
>> which to me sounds like Surface Connect port that you >> like a fast charger
01:02:28
>> like remember how the old Surface devices had that like detachable one? It
01:02:33
was essentially always like this weird like long a flat piece that would go into it and
01:02:40
be like a a proprietary fast charger, but you could also charge with USBC in a different port.
01:02:44
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, that was my guess, too. >> It might be a breakaway USBC like port.
01:02:49
>> Interesting. >> Yeah. So, it could it can have the magnetic capabilities but also be USBC.
01:02:55
>> Mhm. >> Which would be cool. >> Yeah. I think it's just charging.
01:02:58
>> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't think it's anything that cool despite him smiling
01:03:02
and laughing and being like, you'll find out later this year. >> Yeah.
01:03:06
>> Yeah. This is all, you know, this is Windows and ARM again. We've seen it.
01:03:11
Surface has done it with Nvidia though being at the forefront and worth a pissload of money.
01:03:18
>> Yeah, there is a chance for sure. >> There's a higher chance this works
01:03:22
because Nvidia has a lot more to lose than like Microsoft and Qualcomm did. >> Yeah. Um, the thing that people are
01:03:28
really upset at though is that there is not Linux support right now and many many developers use Linux and so
01:03:37
everyone being forced to use Windows is not making people happy. >> Yeah, that could be a future thing. I
01:03:42
mean uh I expect them to listen to their audience at some point and maybe expand
01:03:46
support but yeah >> the response to Linus seemed very like >> we are not thinking about that right
01:03:52
now. We have a lot of other things to worry about before we're going to worry
01:03:55
about Linux. >> Totally fair. They definitely have to launch this first and make sure it goes
01:03:59
smoothly >> before doing anything else. >> Yeah. So, there's like a million
01:04:03
questions that we're going to not have answered until we actually get units of
01:04:07
these things in house. Yep. >> Which is later this year. Like, we're a
01:04:11
while away from figuring any of this stuff out >> for sure. Maybe before Siri. We'll see.
01:04:17
>> Place your bets. >> Before GTA 6. >> Yeah, before GTA 6 or my Street
01:04:20
Manifesto album. I'm weirdly like excited about this because there's a lot
01:04:25
of like, you know, advanced high production like creative workflows that more and more people are adopting. We
01:04:33
were talking about this in the car this morning, David, like adopting these like
01:04:36
very sort of slim local models to take care of like one task in a really complicated production workflow. Um, and
01:04:44
you know, with all the extra ports and the big trackpad on this Microsoft Surface, I could see this being like a
01:04:50
weirdly useful laptop with the asterisk being if this Nvidia graphics engine has
01:04:58
access to all the like Nvidia specific graphics processes. >> Yeah, Jetson made a big deal about the
01:05:05
fact that this chipset supports literally everything Nvidia's ever made. So, the idea like these are like very
01:05:12
hyperspecific applications, but I could see a lot of like post-production workflows or like computers that run
01:05:18
concert visuals or like things like that being able to do like really unique powerful things on this laptop if it's
01:05:24
like not >> um which unfortunately like it seems like they all end up being um so
01:05:33
>> I don't think this is going to be >> I don't think so either. It still has to
01:05:36
run through Windows though. And as a Windows user, we had to do this thing with a a Dell
01:05:42
monitor for a video we're making where it has a KVM and I'm switching between
01:05:46
it. >> Setting up the Dell drivers for the KVM of this Dell monitor took me longer on
01:05:53
the Windows PC than it did on the Mac for just like it kept failing. And then just extracting it and actually
01:05:59
downloading it literally took like 10 times as long. And I was messaging Marquez like, I'm losing my mind here.
01:06:05
It was a Dell XPS laptop I was using that was like >> hurting trying to install Dell drivers.
01:06:12
>> Yeah, >> it was infuriating. >> Damn. I want to be optimistic. I want to
01:06:16
I want to see when they come out. Hopefully, we get these these benchmarks going.
01:06:19
>> Yeah, >> thank you for the big trackpad. >> Yeah, >> all laptops need a giant trackpad.
01:06:24
>> I agree. I agree. The question sort of becomes like Apple has become the de
01:06:28
facto kind of AI agent computers because they're like the best bang for buck
01:06:34
right now. But if another company comes in and is optimized for that stuff, are people going to start moving over to,
01:06:42
you know, agentspecific hardware >> if it's built for whatever you plan on
01:06:46
doing? >> Yeah. Whatever that means. M so >> and and can they safeguard like I think
01:06:50
another reason the Apple platform is so popular for vibe coding and agents and stuff like that is because it's you can
01:06:57
really monkey around a lot in terminal and with bash commands and stuff and feel confident you're not going to
01:07:03
delete some system file that renders your computer completely broken in a way that I feel a lot less confident on a
01:07:10
Windows system. >> Satia did specifically say they're bringing a lot of that stuff to Windows
01:07:14
now though like they're bringing homebrew to Windows. He knows how he announced that it
01:07:20
>> how >> he knows how to build. >> It's a how how >> Ask him.
01:07:24
>> That doesn't make sense. I thought Homerew was a Mac thing. I thought it
01:07:26
was a Mac repository. >> Well, he said, "We're bringing a lot of your favorite Mac stuff to Windows so
01:07:31
that you so that you can move." >> Oh, how the tables have turned. My
01:07:34
friends, for my whole life, it was like, "Oh, this is really sweet, but you can't
01:07:38
do it on Mac, so I got to own a Oh, I love this program, but it's it's Windows." Now, look at the Windows
01:07:43
crowd, baby. No, >> look at them crawl over to our side. >> The turntables. Well, we won't know
01:07:49
about that stuff until later this year. So, uh, a whole lot of hoopla. >> Hoopla.
01:07:54
>> Hoopla. >> But while we're waiting for later this year to roll around, there's a thing
01:07:58
that happens every single gosh darn week, babe. Right on time. And it's >> hoopla. Oh, trivia.
01:08:05
>> Hoopla. >> This was another great Ellis question that I'm just going to steal from him.
01:08:09
So, while Google+ didn't stick around, one feature built into Google+ eventually became a standalone product
01:08:16
in 2013. What product is that? >> That two plus questions, one episode. >> I actually say that again. I think I
01:08:25
actually know that >> Google say again. I need I'm going to get this one right.
01:08:28
>> While Plus did not stick around, >> correct? >> One feature built into Plus eventually
01:08:33
became a standalone product in 2013. What product was that? I think I actually know that.
01:08:39
>> Can I ask a >> No. >> Just just a little extra extra information. Okay.
01:08:48
>> Does that product still exist? >> It kind of >> change its name
01:08:53
>> with every second. We're getting closer to spoiling the answer to this.
01:08:57
>> This is a hard a hard one because I do think technically it's the same thing,
01:09:00
but they change its name and make it a different thing. >> Yeah, I think you're giving up.
01:09:05
>> Shut up. Everybody shut up. This is why you should listen to my no. >> All right, never mind. Don't have to
01:09:11
answer. You don't have to answer. We'll think about it. >> I'm going to answer. What do you think
01:09:14
about it? I'll lose that point. >> Yeah, you don't have I don't You don't
01:09:16
have to answer my question. My question. My clarifying question. I'll just I'll
01:09:20
just guess. >> Nope. It's dead. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, >> that doesn't narrow it down at all.
01:09:25
>> Wait, it's back. >> Hannah is dead again. All right, we'll
01:09:28
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01:10:38
Welcome back. We got to talk about Microsop. I mean Microsoft. I stole that from Steve from Gamers Access. Uh
01:10:44
>> oh, the comment section's been >> Oh, did they say that? >> I made a video about uh just the problem
01:10:50
that Microsoft has with laptops. And most of the comments were just making fun of Microsoft by calling it
01:10:55
Microsoft. It was solid. >> Well, well, we got two Microsoft stories for you. The first is that Microsoft is
01:11:02
making a project Solara agent OS. So if uh you didn't hear the last part of the
01:11:07
podcast and and if you didn't, I don't know why are you at this part of the
01:11:10
podcast. We talked about Microsoft Build very briefly. Actually, yeah, this might
01:11:15
be in a clip, so I don't know. That'd be crazy. But uh they had Microsoft Build,
01:11:19
which is their annual developer conference, similar to Dubdub, similar to IO. And they announced some stuff
01:11:24
there. One of the things they announced was a new OS called Project Solar. And it's effectively supposed to be an OS
01:11:32
built specifically for agents. It's funny though because it's Android. Uh
01:11:36
everything is Android at the end of the day. >> When I heard this, I thought of rabbit
01:11:40
OS. >> Yeah, >> that's kind of what it is. >> Same thing. >> They basically, my take on this is that
01:11:45
they are trying to build the future platform kind of like Meta was trying to do with the metaverse because they were
01:11:52
mad that Google kind of took the web. And so now they're trying to be the ones
01:11:57
that build an OS that can work on various different types of hardware. So they have these images of like, oh,
01:12:04
smart glasses or a smart screen or a smart this. And they showed off two different concept devices. One was like
01:12:11
an Echol like device, like an Amazon Echolike device that sits on your desk, has Windows Hello, so you walk up to it,
01:12:17
it logs in and whatever, and then you can just talk to it and you're talking
01:12:21
to agents and agents are doing stuff for you, whatever. They also showed a concept of a smart badge. Now, you might
01:12:29
not know what a badge is if you have not worked at one of these mega corpse. One
01:12:33
of these mega corpse gives you a little badge that you wear around your neck that has your name and your ID.
01:12:38
>> Oh, like a physical badge. Like an ID badge. >> Like an ID badge.
01:12:41
>> I don't know why I was thinking like a metaverified check mark badge or
01:12:44
something. >> No, not a digital badge. >> You mean like an actual badge?
01:12:47
>> Physical badge that helps you scan into different rooms, etc. This one has like
01:12:50
your name, your ID on it, whatever. but it also has agents on it and also has a camera. So they showed off uh at build
01:12:57
where the guy that was presenting it basically turned it sideways and he recorded a video and then he was like
01:13:04
computer cut up a video of this and like share it to my social media with some cool music.
01:13:10
>> Bad. No, don't do that. >> It's a phone. >> It's not. Well,
01:13:13
>> your phone can do. >> Yeah. >> Just put it on your phone. >> Yeah.
01:13:17
>> And make the badge >> get you in the door. But the phone can't
01:13:21
>> But the phone can't do it yet cuz Siri's not here yet. You know what I'm saying?
01:13:24
And Gemini, I don't think Gemini can like cut up a video. I don't know. >> I don't think so either. But
01:13:28
>> I don't know. >> This is making me think that what if going back to dubdub predictions and
01:13:33
rumors and stuff if it's becomes a Siri OS because Apple seems to be the only
01:13:37
one that doesn't. >> Apple's not going to make a new OS for that's a little confusing.
01:13:41
>> Oh no, >> they're not going to do >> because Android has Gemini that talks
01:13:44
across all their platforms. Microsoft just announced this thing where all their agents, it's like different form
01:13:49
factors. Doesn't matter. The agent will talk to it. Apple doesn't have that yet.
01:13:52
>> It's iOS. >> I think Siri might act like that, but they I don't think they would call it an
01:13:58
OS. >> Yeah, they share a lot of >> avoid confusion. Yeah, >> they call it an ontology. That was a
01:14:03
palunteer joke. >> Sorry. Sorry. >> Ontology. >> Like six people listening to this
01:14:08
laughed really hard. >> Okay. Um, anyway, I already said it, but yeah, they want to be like the the
01:14:15
platform of the future and uh I don't know. Microsoft has announced a lot of
01:14:20
demo hardware in the past that they just never release. So, that's a possibility.
01:14:25
Um, but yeah, just wanted to bring that up. >> This doesn't seem like hardware to me.
01:14:29
>> Well, it's it's Yeah, it's they they are making concept devices to show what you
01:14:34
could do with this agent OS that they're building on top of Android. >> But the thing that they're showing off
01:14:38
is the agent OS. Yeah, >> it's not like the hardware itself. >> Yeah, we'll see if they even ship the
01:14:42
agent OS is my question cuz it's Microsoft. Uh, okay. One more Microsoft story. Microsoft is in the process of
01:14:50
shutting down all employees using cloud code for work by June 30th. >> Very funny. Uh, people have been
01:14:57
thinking about this for a long time. At what point do tokens become more expensive than humans? Turns out we're
01:15:03
reaching that point right now. They speed run that. It's not like they're
01:15:06
going to force them to use codeex or or or the uh the uh >> what's what's the Microsoft one called?
01:15:14
>> Copilot. >> GitHub copilot CLI is like >> they're just like no no bots.
01:15:18
>> Well, so >> what happened was in December they gave everybody Claude subscriptions like
01:15:23
pretty much whoever wanted it there. And it seems like >> everyone was only using Claude and not
01:15:31
>> Copilot. >> Copilot. Yeah. >> So, one, the reason a lot of people
01:15:35
think this is because of how much is expensive, because of how expensive it is, cuz it's ending on June 30th, which
01:15:40
is the end of Microsoft's fiscal year. Big red flag of like this is probably
01:15:44
costing us a metric ton, >> but also it is a straight competitor. Not all employees are losing Claude
01:15:52
completely because co-pilot uses Claude >> inside of it. Um, yeah. So, they'll
01:15:56
still be able to like be connected to it somewhat, but >> most likely because it is a uh
01:16:02
>> a competitor and because it's costing so much money is why they're stopping them
01:16:05
from using it. But like David said, we're getting to this point of what costs more agents or people and like
01:16:11
Uber already just ditched like all of their their AI coding. I mean, Microsoft also has copilot and they have GitHub
01:16:18
copilot and they announced at build a new version of terminal which is they call a smart terminal which has GitHub
01:16:25
copilot built into the terminal >> and so I mean Microsoft would be a little hypocritical if they were not
01:16:31
using their own you know agents they also announced their own uh language models at build so I think
01:16:39
>> you know it's a combination of this is probably getting insanely expensive and
01:16:42
also we spent billions of dollars to make this ourselves Why are we not using it ourselves?
01:16:46
>> So, this is getting extremely expensive in two different ways. >> Yeah. So, the question becomes, how far
01:16:51
behind anthropic are they in terms of the quality of their language models? >> That's going to be a big question. And
01:16:58
if it slows them down, do they need to be slowed down? I don't know. >> Anything that Microsoft's done
01:17:03
significantly in the last few years. So, >> I haven't used Bing in a minute.
01:17:06
Remember when Bing got crazy for one day? >> Someone in our subreddit posted a really
01:17:10
funny. They were like uh it was the Bing co-pilot overview asking about me and it
01:17:16
said I immigrated here in like 1891 and that I also host a podcast called Waveform.
01:17:22
>> Holy moly. >> It said call him Unk but like really really old. >> That's hella unk. Holy that's crazy.
01:17:28
>> Uh speaking of the stuff, Anthropic also just confidentially filed to IPO but
01:17:32
then they tweeted about it so it wasn't too confidential I suppose. >> Um and it's one of the biggest IPOs. The
01:17:38
estimations are just under a trillion dollars. Um, another IPO that might happen soon is the the SpaceX one that
01:17:45
is stealing from everyone's 401ks. That's a very complex topic. I watched
01:17:49
like five videos about that yesterday. >> That's all there is to it. >> Well, yes, it's about So, okay, I I'll
01:17:55
tell you. >> Is there a TLDDW? >> Yes. Well, yes. Okay. So, basically,
01:18:01
when you invest in an index fund, an index fund is run by a company, right? So like DAO is like an is like a company
01:18:08
that collects these index funds and uh they basically you know you're forced to
01:18:14
invest in the companies that they put on the index fund that they >> you're not picking companies you're
01:18:20
picking a fund they invest a bunch of companies for you >> and so what has happened is that Twitter
01:18:26
that got turned into X got uh merged into XAI right because they were out of money. Uh then XAI got merged into
01:18:35
SpaceX because XAI was out of money and they were billion burning a billion dollars a day.
01:18:39
>> They seem not related but okay. >> It's a Russian nesting doll situation.
01:18:43
>> It's a nesting doll. Okay. So >> there is something related. Elon Musk
01:18:47
>> you know SpaceX is like a reasonably profitable company and XAI just burns
01:18:52
cash at an insane rate. Yeah. And so SpaceX and so Elon was like, "If I buy
01:18:56
XAI with SpaceX, I I don't lose any money because I'm paying myself for this
01:19:00
and all of XAI's losses gets absorbed into SpaceX shareholders." So now the
01:19:06
losses are their problem. >> Yeah. And so now SpaceX is filing to go public for like a lot of money. Uh the
01:19:13
problem, okay, the crazy thing here is that usually when a company goes public, if it's like a very large company,
01:19:20
there's sort of this cool down period that usually is about a year before >> seasoning.
01:19:25
>> It's called seasoning. >> Yeah. Where >> Yeah. where a stock basically the market
01:19:31
has to see like is a stock going to like go crazy and then dip or then blah blah
01:19:35
blah blah. These index funds will not adopt the stock for a year and that's just been a formality basically. It's
01:19:40
kind of a rule that they use. >> Um, but Elon basically convinced one of these index fund like the Dow or
01:19:48
whatever, >> the NASDAQ, >> the NASDAQ 100 to wave that formality so
01:19:54
that the SpaceX stock will immediately get within I think 15 days or so get injected into all of these index funds.
01:20:03
So now if you have a 401k that tracks the NASDAQ 100, >> you automatically have to invest in
01:20:12
SpaceX. >> It the whole idea is that Elon and everyone at SpaceX knows that SpaceX is
01:20:18
the most overvalued public company in the world. Like they they lose not quite a billion dollars a month, but in the
01:20:24
hundreds of millions of dollars a month and they're valued as like one of the
01:20:28
most valuable companies in the world, right? Despite just like >> Is this SpaceX or XAI?
01:20:31
>> It's the same company. Yeah, >> they're they're >> SpaceX. So, Elon used SpaceX to buy XAI,
01:20:38
>> which bought Twitter. >> Yeah. So, so SpaceX, XAI, and Twitter are all the same balance sheet now.
01:20:45
>> And together, they record about $800 million of losses. I'm going to fact
01:20:49
check that up the episode, but I believe it's about $800 million of losses a
01:20:53
year. >> Yeah. So the whole plan is if you can get all of these index funds to
01:20:58
automatically buy SpaceX about 2 weeks after it IPOs, it doesn't have enough
01:21:02
time to crash. And that autopumps the stock to infinity. So when the stock does crash, the people who lose are the
01:21:10
people whose retirement accounts auto invested. >> And the people who already have the
01:21:14
stock in Space XAI are the people who invested in Twitter. and the people who invested in XAI, which is like a lot of
01:21:20
the billionaires who funded the Twitter deal in the beginning because Elon lost half of the value of Twitter after he
01:21:26
bought it because it crashed to half the price. >> It's you know how like in the memecoin
01:21:30
strat is you tweet about a memecoin so a bunch of people buy it and then you sell
01:21:33
off as soon as they buy it >> because you secretly own 80% of the >> that is that's the plan here is except
01:21:39
instead of convincing people to buy it with a tweet >> they're being forced to buy it.
01:21:42
>> They're being they're literally being forced to buy it. everyone who has a
01:21:45
401k. >> It's like one of the most insane financial plays ever. >> The stock market sucks. It's all fake.
01:21:53
>> Yeah. >> I think a lot of people don't realize that these index funds are companies and
01:21:58
they're not just like things that are sort of set up and managed by the government and are like a a you know a
01:22:03
political immoral whatever. They're like companies that their whole thing is that
01:22:07
they track certain stocks. >> Mhm. >> So yeah, it's crazy. I would I would
01:22:13
recommend watching some videos on it. It's wild. Um yeah, and then Anthropic's
01:22:18
potentially going to go public. We'll see if OpenAI goes public. I don't know,
01:22:21
man. It's going to be crazy. If the AI bubble does burst, it'll probably happen
01:22:24
in the next 6 months. >> We're speeding running this whole tech. I feel like like two years ago, we were
01:22:29
like, "Cool, look, Will Smith eating spaghetti or like made a dinosaur chicken nugget surfing like this." And
01:22:34
now we're like, "It's too expensive to run anymore." >> Yeah. So,
01:22:37
>> who do you think is going to go public first? Anthropic or >> Oh,
01:22:42
before OpenAI, for sure. >> I need to correct myself. I said SpaceX was losing about $800 billion a month. I
01:22:48
was not even close. Um, in the first three months of this year, they lost 4.3 billion with a B dollars.
01:22:54
>> Okay. >> You misspoke for a second though. You said 800 billion. >> You mean you meanion million? Sorry. 800
01:22:59
million was an incorrect number. four in the first three months of 2026, they lost $4.3 billion despite being again in
01:23:07
theory the largest most valuable IPO in history somehow. So >> I said I'll get it.
01:23:15
>> No one >> because they're betting on the future. >> Anthropic is worth more than OpenAI now.
01:23:18
Did you know that? >> Uh it's like it's all spec it doesn't matter all it is. All of it is
01:23:26
>> well in theory not all of it is like there are companies you can buy whose
01:23:29
balance sheets directly reflect their >> valuation you know they're just not
01:23:34
grind >> that's true >> no what they don't know how to do is pay
01:23:38
another company to buy $800 million worth of their own product >> I always found it weird when like a like
01:23:45
we'll see something on stage happen and then we'll see like that night a story
01:23:50
about how the stock price went like the Ferrari lucha yeah like the car gets announced and then they lose 5% of their
01:23:57
value overnight. >> That's just speculation. That's just people going, "Ah, I see that their
01:24:03
future plans for selling this will not work out, so I don't think they're worth
01:24:07
as much anymore, so I will sell or I think it's worth less." >> Well, in theory, that's the whole idea
01:24:11
of index funds, right? is like you can escape the theatility of a single certain market,
01:24:18
>> but the contract sort of falls apart when the company runs your index fund is
01:24:23
like, "No, I'm going to make so much money off of the >> loss." Well, also, um I think Hank Green
01:24:28
did a good video about this. Like the point of an index fund is to escape the volatility of different markets, but
01:24:33
when like 80% of the market is AI companies, it's still dangerous to have your money in an index fund now. So,
01:24:40
it's just this is not this is not financial advice. Not financial advice. >> Not financial advice.
01:24:45
>> We should probably cut dangerous, but that's >> Yeah. Well, that's what he said.
01:24:49
>> I don't know. I'm just quoting him. >> But did he say not financial advice
01:24:52
several times rapidly into the camera without blinking? >> Actually, fun fact, Hank Green is a
01:24:56
certified public accountant. >> Really? >> But you still made that up.
01:25:01
>> This is not truth advice. >> Okay. Um, >> it's fine because the president is a
01:25:05
memecoin anyway. So, >> don't listen to us. Don't listen to us. Go go go go go watch people who are very
01:25:11
very well versed in this. I only learned about this last night. So >> yeah, blame them.
01:25:15
>> Blame them. Yes. Okay. Well, with that, we're going to wrap it up with
01:25:23
trivia and then next week we'll have WDC. For some reason, you saying wrap it up
01:25:28
really makes me want some sort of rap for lunch. Taco Bell. >> I don't know, guys. before Google+ was
01:25:34
released, how many how before Google+, how many social network how many social networking sites did Google launch? Um,
01:25:42
would you like me to include social media platforms that Google purchased pre-launch or just ones that
01:25:51
Google was the launcher of? >> What were you? >> What were you going to do at the
01:25:57
beginning? >> I was going to do >> Google launched. >> Google launched. Okay.
01:26:00
>> Yeah. And is it closer without going over? >> Yes, it is. Price is right rules.
01:26:10
>> So then just the number. >> Just the number. I don't need names. And
01:26:15
I will fully accept that if you write to me about the one I missed, I will ex I will I will I will go back and award
01:26:23
points. >> I feel like I'm guess right. I just go with the lower version
01:26:28
>> because >> and I would also like to make a clarification because there are lots of
01:26:32
things that Google did that are sort of like social media platforms that are not
01:26:36
in my opinion social media platforms. >> This is based on your >> we may debate on this.
01:26:40
>> I am not including dodgeball because while that does resemble forsquare it
01:26:43
was an SMS service and I don't believe an SMS-based service could be >> I think that's pretty
01:26:48
>> social network. Uh I am not including Picassa web because the social features
01:26:53
were an afterthought. That is why I count as a photo service. >> I am not including Google open social
01:26:58
because that is a protocol and an API. It is not an accessible platform. >> But it's a fetverse.
01:27:04
>> I am not including Google Wave. >> What >> what's that?
01:27:08
>> Uh it was sort of like a bulletin board like like >> that feels like social media though
01:27:13
>> to me. >> And I am not including Google Buzz because >> that's social media. Google is social
01:27:20
media. >> You think Google Buzz is a social media app? Okay, I will include Google Buzz
01:27:23
then. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> How many did you put? >> Well, I should have put more.
01:27:28
>> Oh, I want >> You put 14. >> Okay, we'll see. >> Bro, you made it sound like it was 800.
01:27:34
>> No. Uh, Marquez, what did you put? >> I put five. >> Unfortunately, as of my current list,
01:27:39
you are one over, unfortunately, because I had four on my list. David, you put >> three.
01:27:47
Which four did you >> I included haiku or I think it's pronounced haiku. Uh because it starts
01:27:53
with a J. >> Um I did haiku. >> Spelled IQ with a J. >> Uh it's because it's a cross between the
01:27:59
word haiku and a Finnish word for like short stories. >> Oh. >> Um and it was a Twitter clone.
01:28:06
>> Um Google Haiku. >> I don't remember that very well. >> No, sorry. Sorry. Haiku cannot be on
01:28:11
this list. Haiku was purchased by Google after it was launched. I take that back.
01:28:15
Uh, so there are three. There are three. The correct answer is three. So David nailed it right on the money. I
01:28:21
>> Oh, no. But we put Google Buzz on the list. >> Yeah, Buzz. >> Oh, yeah. Buzz, Google friend connect,
01:28:26
and Orcut. And I had never heard of Orcut, but Google really tried to make it happen, and it only took off in
01:28:32
Brazil. >> Can I read you a description of one, and you can tell me if it's social media or
01:28:35
not? >> Sure. >> The description is a mobile app for group discussions and messaging
01:28:40
developed by Google. It was intended to compete with Slack, but it was where but
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it was a content sharing platform where users can create a space, invite their friends for discussions, share videos,
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images, text, and other media. >> I'm open to it, but what year did it
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launch? >> Yeah, 2016. >> That is after Google+. >> Got it. And then, okay, what else was I
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thinking? I like Google Wave as social media, but I still lose anyway. Okay, >> buzz buzz.
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>> If you are upset with the way I adjudicated this question, I encourage you to tweet at me or leave a comment.
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You're really sticking to him by subscribing. >> Dude, if you subscribed, I would hate
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that so much. >> So, I got the point. >> You got the point. And with that, you
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now are at 30 points. >> Andrew at 25. >> Arez with 26. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. >> That's closer than I thought. >> Cool. That's a close game.
01:29:30
>> Wait. Yeah. How did you get so many points? >> I think Mariah got a few.
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>> Did you have a crazy run or something? >> No. People when he was out, people got
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>> Hell yeah. All right, >> team game. >> Question number two.
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>> Yeah. >> While Plus didn't stick around, one feature built into Google+ eventually
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became a standalone product in 2013. What was it? >> I mean, Google+ didn't have very many
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features, but it did have these. >> It had the entirety photography community on it.
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>> These I'm trying to figure out which one stuck around. Oh, iron. >> I
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>> I I think I'm wrong, but I'm gonna try it >> cuz I don't know the name.
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>> The other thing. >> All right, flip them and read. What do you guys got?
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>> I'm worried there's a really stupid answer. >> That's what uh Okay, we all said
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different things. What? >> What? >> Four square. >> Angie, you just had a completely
01:30:27
different company, so you go first. >> Four square. >> That's not a Google product. I don't I
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was torn between circles or whatever the chat built into it was called and I ended up just going with circles.
01:30:39
>> Nope. Hangouts. >> Correct. >> Oh, >> so that was what the the chat was
01:30:44
called. >> I used Hangouts >> Hangouts a lot. >> I loved Google Hangouts.
01:30:50
>> Which version? >> Google guy over here. >> Remember when they integrated Hangouts
01:30:54
with SMS and then they took it out and then they put it back and then they took it out again? It was going to be my
01:30:58
unified messaging app so many times. >> So many times. >> And then I wasn't as a little chat
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inside of Gmail. >> No, I knew better. I knew Google wasn't going to stick with it cuz when it
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finally got it, I forgot what phone was coming out, but I was like, it was like pre-loaded on the phones and it was
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sitting in the doc and I was like, "Oh, I could just use this." >> But I knew better.
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>> The one that really broke my heart was Aloe >> cuz Aloe had such cool UI and like the
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the animations and like the the stickers were so awesome. >> Yeah, that's cuz they were trying to
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copy iMessage and FaceTime. So they made Alo and Duo >> and they kept the worst one.
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>> Duo sucks. Alo should have been right. >> Well, now it's just
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>> I think they integrated Duo into Google. >> We're not doing this again. We're not
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doing the the Google >> the Google chat meet Aloe Duo call. We're not buzz.
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>> It's been someone read us out. >> Hey, if you guys uh if you made it this
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