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quick question before we get into this what sound does a rabbit make probably the same sound I feel like
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swe actually here we go you know the same as a squirrel same as a fox wait is there a rabbit in the fox song what does
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a fox say you mean oh it's cute cuz don't they do other [Music] rabbit my heart the sound of rabbit makes
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[Music] oh all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode
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of the waveform podcast it's a busy one we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and it's CES week as of
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the time you're watching this CES every January sort of kicks off the year so we've got a lot of new things in the
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tech world to just ponder about and talk about we're not there physically we do have some people who are there on the
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ground and we're going to talk to them as well I'm looking forward to that um but we also have a bunch of the little
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stuff that we've scene that you guys have sent us uh there's also some New Vision Pro news uh an iPhone falling out
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of a plane a rabbit AI keynote just a a lot of stuff so we're going to we're going to talk about all of that also we had a a small adjustment correction from last week we were talking about the
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xiaomi su7 yeah and we said it had 12200 kilometers of range but well there was going to be a version supposedly in the
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future that had a long range that is uh a larger battery that had 1200 km of range yeah and I get it was actually a
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blog post talking about a potential different battery and a platform I guess rather than the specific su7 and that it would theoretically have 12200 km of
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cltc range which also everything we talked about last week was cltc which is uh estimation by China standards I believe and it is apparently far worse
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for those who don't know there when you look at the mileage rating for a car there's a rating based on the government
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agency in that place and in the US we have the EPA rating the Environmental Protection Agency I guess right let me
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just double check I make sure it's the same EPA but in Europe they have wltp and that's different and that gets a
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different rated range for the same exact car and in China they have cltc and apparently cltc ranges are dramatically more generous um I'm sure it's not a
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coincidence that they uh they happily fed that number as the headlines everywhere but just so you no um a cltc
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range of 500 mies will probably not be the same as an EPA range which is already generous which is also already hard to achieve so that's uh a little correction from last week and also very
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minor correction Max RPM is 27,000 not 35,000 and the maximum horsepower is 673 not 668 oh cool so yeah xiaomi essentially didn't announce a car with a 1200 km battery option they announced a
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car and then also announced a battery that could theoretically have a 1200 km cltc range
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Mally theoretically it says not tied to a car in the fine print it literally says theoretically so there you go the
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math maths ma that's what it says lots of math good stuff um all right where do we jump in first there's so many stories
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to possibly talk about I kind of just want to talk about the iPhone falling out of a plane and being found in a backyard yeah that's one of my favorite
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stories and it also doesn't shock me somehow really it fell from a plane fell from a high place yall heard of terminal velocity Marquez cracked his phone sitting on the ground falling out of his
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pocket yeah but it grass that's the that's the difference it probably hit a trees if I fell out of a plane and
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landed in Grass it wouldn't matter you are not a flat small piece of metal yeah your terminal velocity is a little different from the phone yeah apparently there was a Boeing plane that had this
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issue that was ignored for a couple flights and then eventually one of the flights took off so okay the basic story
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is there is an Alaska Airlines flight with a specific model of Boeing plane that was there was an issue that was
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being ignored some I read an article about some lights that the the flight attendants and crew were sort of ignoring for a while and then one day
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they took off yeah already a weird start one day they took off and uh they should
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have paid attention to the lights because the the Seal of like the emergency door broke and the door just
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got ripped off the side of the plane while they were flying uh not great thankfully no one was hurt but some
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things were sucked out of the plane as they were flying and landing and there's this this whole map that you can look up
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of where the plane was flying and then where underneath the plane people found debris in their backyards including a
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fully on still in airplane mode with half battery iPhone that fell out of the plane and like landed in someone's backyard and was still fine I think it was the side of the road and the plug was in someone's backyard not that that
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matters all that much but um yeah someone found it on the side of the road while looking for the plug also I kept
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seeing the word plug and was trying to figure it out and it's basically I guess it's just what they call the temporary door or not temporary door but the
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emergency door so it was a hole door that fell off of this yeah there was a hole in the side of the plane um wild
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and yeah the they someone found the phone half battery screen on still working air got pulled out of someone's
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hand I think the cable was still pluged in out of the out of the wall or something the like the charging cable is
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still attached in the bottom but like ripped off from the actual USBC baby it's crazy it's either a 14 or a 15 so they're not sure so could be lightning I think they said it was a 14 pro I think
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they said it was a dynamic Island so they couldn't tell if it was 14 or 15 W reporters have gone out and D out there
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we need answ we need to get the full the full answers but yeah the there's a closeup of the bottom of the lightning P
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whatever Port is just like ripped out of the bottom of the imagine I don't want to imagine it but imagine being on the
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plane just scrolling through Twitter or whatever they were doing and then it just gets sucked out of your hand out of
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the side of the plane honestly nightmare fuel this is like my worst fear this is definitely my worst terrifing we should
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have like uh trigger warninged before the like beginning of all of those that model of plane has been thoroughly
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investigated since then a bunch of flights have been canceled with that plane they're going to tighten all the BS we should be fine we should be fine
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no one was someone had their shirt ripped off but amazingly so like no one was sitting in
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the seat right next to the door and no one was pulled out of the plane but that the fact see I'm I'm actually given
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confidence by this yeah the fact that the door can be pulled off the side of the plane and they're still going to land it and everyone's fine man when I
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see those wings wobbling in the storm I'm like yeah we're good at least no one was sitting in the in the window cuz
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they probably would have gotten sucked out even a seat Bel probably would have been yeah but how often do you take off
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your seat belt immediately after they're like you could take off your seat Bel anymore no that's the whole time follow
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rules sit next to that door you should keep your seat Bel on yeah that's crazy crazy story but hey a new phone story
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yeah it's this is the drop test of all drop tests yeah I think um and also just like definitely goes to show you that
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breaking your phone is so much luck cuz you can drop your phone from 2 Ines off the ground and shatter the screen or the
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back or you can drop it from a plane and it'll be fine and it'll be fine whoever that the case manufacturer of whatever
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that phone is needs to find out immediately did you see that Stanley Cup that was in the like car that caught on
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fire and it still had ice in it they made a huge marketing push with that oh this case manufacturer needs to hop on the same thing and be like we're the case that fell out of a plane and we
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fine that's super funny that's a good ad I want him to repeat the test throw it out of a plane let me make sure it works
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the funniest thing about this too was that when they found the phone someone found it in like their backyard or something it was still on locked and on
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and hadn't died yet yeah it felt like 6,000 ft so whatever that guy screen out time was probably had like a screen on
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for like 5 minutes and just stayed on well I don't think I don't think that he had any sort of screen lock on CU I
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don't think they found it right away I have a 10-minute screen off on my phone yeah so if I leave my phone for 10
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minutes the screen will stay on for 10 minutes right so it he could have like a you know maybe five minute screen out
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and it'll still stay on for the duration of that fall yeah good for them good for them all right a little of Vision Pro
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news actually so Apple did announce the dates of Vision Pro pre-orders and availability in the US I believe it's February 2nd for availability no yeah
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yeah and then when is the pre-order it's January 19th I think so if you are just
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itching to spend your $3,500 at least now you have the dates in the US when you'll be able to do that something also
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that sort of got um surfaced from that is there's New Media of the Vision Pro and the head head strap looks a little bit different from the way it did in the keynote a lot different there's
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essentially a new headstrap yeah and I think I mean what's happening is Apple announced the Vision Pro and shot all
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these videos and and revealed what it looks like so long ago that they've actually made improvements to it before
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it's shipping which is actually I think a good thing um and it appears now that there's an article saying that they're
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going to ship with two different headstraps in the box is there that's confirm or not confirmed but rumored now
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cuz the first thing it seems to be confirmed it's an article saying here's what comes in the box with vision oh really okay I didn't see that I saw them
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so Mark Gman tweeted uh he it was this new headstrap says old versus new headstrap top design the idea of the new strap is seemingly so your head doesn't want to fall off after half an hour of use I think people will be surprised
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about the weight in the initial use yeah so there's there's one band that is just the solo knit the one that's like
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famously in all the videos around and then there's the other that's a two-piece which is one band behind your
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head and another part that goes over the top top your head so it's a little less all the weight on your face and it was
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originally marketed as you keep that thick knit one and then there was another piece that went over the top but
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this new version is a much smaller the straps are basically identical thin the one that goes behind looks like it goes
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down further on the back of your head assuming to create more leverage without and then also the one on top which looks far different and I know you said it's
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to make it feel better which I think is that but also I have a really hard time believing that that original knit they
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didn't know it was felt bad and was super heavy but I think it looks so much nicer that in marketing material it makes sense and I don't love that so I think Apple knew going in that this was
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a heavy headset but I think they aesthetically wanted a one piece band and so their engineering solution was
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this really big flexible thing on the back of your head yeah and it still works but that headset is heavy yeah it's just really heavy for a VR headset
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because of all the metal and the extra screens and everything and I think they're finally just going you know we
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need it we need a two-piece it's kind of a bummer cuz I really I really liked the the mesh the thick mesh part of the
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headset yeah um and it was comfortable but it definitely after about half an hour of use start to feel really heavy
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and the two times that I used the Vision Pro I had to adjust it like on my face multiple times it kind of reminds me of
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airpods Max airpods Maxs are heavier than any other headphones that I regular use and they have this pretty big band
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on the top that tries to sort of distribute the weight in a in a bigger way but after a while you kind of just
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you're wearing heavier headphones and you just notice that I think it's going to be even more noticeable with this headset because as people have pointed
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out the immersion factor of a VR headset is where you don't feel like you're wearing anything you're just walking around in this new world and if this
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weight is like pulling down on your face like that's going to take away from imersion and if you're adjusting it like
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David said constantly that's kind of taking the defeating the whole purpose um yeah I don't think
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we're going to see this strap in any marketing though at all the other one looks so much better is so much more Apple I think the headset looks way more generic with the new double strap
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they're showing show it from the front every time so you can't tell I I think they'll show it with the the old strap
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on and one just one yeah I think in like all marketing I wouldn't doubt if here's
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the question at an Apple store if it's there which does it have do you have the strap that looks really good on the
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shelf for everyone but then people put it on and notice that it's uncomfortable yeah CU in the box you'll have the other
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one yeah but if you're just trying it for your first time is Apple going to have kind of like a VR station they are
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they're letting you they're doing like a first come first serve basis thing where you show up and get in line you can test it um HTC used to do this in Microsoft
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stores the first time I ever used a Vive was in a Microsoft store and they had so
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many uh materials that they would use to clean the device over and over again and like change the straps and change
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everything every single penc would use it uh but it's definitely going to be interesting because uh exactly one week
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from today the day that you were're all watching this on Friday this that's when this thing goes on pre-order which is
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pretty wild it's still such a strange um timeline it's like a weird product release nobody no one has ever as far as I can tell shown footage of anyone
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wearing it outside like you can't order this without like there won't be reviews I don't think
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like before you can order it I feel like so many more not I doubt before you can order it so that's that's usually a red
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flag for us when you when pre-order goes live and there are no reviews and there's not even any footage of any
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human using it outside of like the headquarters is kind of crazy that's kind of happening with is the iPhone like that now though we get First
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Impressions but true we don't get reviews anymore but but usually our review embargo is around the time it
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actually goes out right but even with this there's no impressions it's just like people talking about that time that
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they got to use it no one gets to use it on camera it's just a little more restricted than else yeah red flag it's
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also I can't remember the last time a big tech product has like come out earlier than everyone expected like this they said early 2023 but let's be real
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we all kind of expected that to be like end of quarter yeah what's the latest possible that qualifies as early 202
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yeah it's like literally the last minute like you said talk we talking about the the Apple carplay thing they promised in
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2022 that they would release more information by the end of 2023 and literally December 29th they released
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like a shoty like half complete uh Photoshop job of a Porsche with with a someone's in the studio like wait I think we owe people something haven't actually Andrew made that joke yesterday
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like there's like a notion task of like they're like oh crap we have to like this coming early February I don't think anyone expected that's wild crazy right
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in early yeah cool can't wait till the whole Studios you guys are getting them you're getting them for all of us
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right you know I'm still I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to want to use I mean nobody knows what they're going to
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want to use Vision Pro most for but I keep thinking what I'm going to default to doing the most is watching media like
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I had this vision of getting on an airplane vision and putting putting the headset on and just
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and watching a movie and nobody talks to me the whole flight no no no no no I want the full picture that you told me the other day
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okay are you hiding from I get on the plane I sit down I put the Vision Pro on you get suck I put my I put my wait to find one of these on the side of the room have no idea because you're in VR
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that would be a disaster I mean reality sorry so I sit down I put on the the headset I put on my noise cancelling
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headphones and I'm fully isolated from the world I I just sit back I sit back and I just like z i just like zone out and I don't I move forly
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drooling when this happens you need to buy me the seat next to you so I can record the steward tapping you on the
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shoulder and your eyes lighting up at them and watching them freak out and Poss going to be interesting I need to see that because the etiquette the etiquette of noise cancelling headphones
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is all kind of built into the headphones right like Sony's have that feature where you put your hand over it and it like turns transparency on the airpods
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have a button where you turn transparency on so you can theoretically leave your noise cancelling headphones on but still interact with the flight
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attendant when they say do you want some water or whatever with the VR with the headset onight oh man it's it's built
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into the headset but it's also a really new thing for them to look at someone with the eyes projecting out of the
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headset is that it's easier to tell but it's just also terrifying they also haven't had eyesight on on any of our
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demos that we've done yeah not working on those so it's either not working or they just don't want people to know what
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it looks like yet which ising I can't wait till Marquez comes out of the airplane bathroom and his
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eyes are just lighting up down the like this dark plane Red eyee Flight it's I cannot wait now the other thing is the battery life is not as long as a movie two hours yeah and I was also thinking
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like if planes weren't uncomfortable enough I now want my neck being torqued for an extra two hours on you have to get you got to get one of those like plain puffy neck strap keeps your head
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off yes that's a New Vision Pro accessory just a neck brace a full on like paramedic neck brace is this the
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future we wanted I'm not sure but I've never watched a high quality movie on a plane before it's either sitting on an
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iPad on a tray with like the window from the passenger across from me like reflecting off the movie or or just the
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the one built into the plane which is not amazing that's true imagine watching what I presume will be a fantastic
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quality movie with great audio and the the three-hour plane ride just evaporates cuz you're just locked into
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the movie I did like the movie theater experience that we got to do in Vision Pro it like really feels like you're in
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an actual theater that's one of my mom's like selling points on the Oculus she's
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like just put on Netflix and sit there that' be sick yeah that a movie theater everyone else on the plane isn't staring
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at you while you do it yeah you can watch whatever movie you want question mark that is a good yeah um the enormous
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question mark for this thing is what is the developer ecosystem going to look like once it's once it comes out I want
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to know I just want to know cuz it seems like apple still doesn't completely understand what the use case for this
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product is because they keep pushing all they're all they're pushing is like look at your panoramas look at your spatial
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video watch movies but they don't they don't have any like native apps that they think are killer apps that make this worth having you they seem like entertainment based right like watch
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multiple NBA streams at a time or like games yeah game more stuff like that it will be they definitely want some sort of work apps to be associated with it also like video calling and stuff like
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that but they're really leaning on developers though to make killer apps I still think this feels I still think the
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price tag is up there because this feels more like developers are supposed to be buying it and they don't they know the
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Public's going to buy it but it feels like a developer kit like a really expensive devel I don't think that they want lot of people to buy I they do
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either this is purely A vibe check off of like the people I follow on threads and everything but there seems to be a
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lot of like developer excitement for this at least no no I think there is I agree I think there is and that's what I
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think this is mostly for and a developer is it's worth paying $3,500 if you're getting in the door early of an apple VR
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Mr whatever you want to call it space XR space with a new platform or at least a
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new medium like this that's where the excitement has to be is developers first because nobody who isn't a developer
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really knows why they would spend $3,500 on this thing if it only does what you can already do on your phone so we're
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trying to yes use Apple's built-in apps to give us a good idea of what it'll be good at oh it's a nice screen oh I can
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view media it's going to look really high quality um but I need more to spend that much money on that so developers are like oh my apps I have all these great ideas it's going to work well let
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me just code for it like I hope that is where the excitement also $3,500 is the starting price for the 256 GB model
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which seems like a very small amount of storage I can't tell I think you're right I think 256 is going to feel
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really small because a VR game could be 50 gigs easily right so I but what are the prices of the other is it a half terabyte and a terabyte and then yeah I don't even know what the there's no rumors of any other sizes at this point
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exactly I really feel like if you were paying $3,500 they should have given you a terabyte of storage because Nan star
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is so cheap it should be it's so cheap they should um just put it in a little thing you put in your pocket and add
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another cord up to the top for more storage you uh there's a little imagine just putting a flash
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drive in the side Gnostic Port where you put a dongle in and there's like a Micro SD card slot like flapping out of the
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side yeah that's not how it's going to work but imagine I'm very interested in because it's so heavy just how people
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are going to react to that and we were joking yesterday like they should have made it out of plastic but Apple would never make it out of plastic and sooner
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invent a new type of glass and metal that is lighter before that they uh used plastic on this thing chiropractors out
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there right now carbon fiber would have been licking their lips they're going to be four boats soon carbon fiber would
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have been kind of sick yeah do you want it to be more than $3,500 honestly once it's over 3500 like go for it could be
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anything 10 grand it could be a car I can mortgage my house it could be a car I don't know yeah anyway okay we got a
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lot of CES stuff to get into so I think we want to leave some time for that so I think we should take a quick break break all right and then come back to do CES
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talk but before the break we should do [Music] trivia okay trivia so we've been talking about the Apple Vision Pro um with the
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external battery pack it's stated at having two to 2 and 1 half hours with an asterisk that asterisk is testing consisted of full battery discharge
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while performing each of the following tasks video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular Apple first party app what are the three
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options well there's four oh there's video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular Apple first party app this to me says this is
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what they expect most people to be using this I me just based on the videos okay
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yeah but wait we'll have to see if I'm right okay oh I'll let you ask the question again later I know what there's
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a battery estimate and the battery estimate they explain is we got two and a half hours based on you doing these
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four things exactly Adam named the first three yeah what is the the four video playback browsing spatial video capture
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oh and what I'm surprised that they include spatial video capture so was I that's why I seems like a pretty heavy
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task well and also then they said you could capture on your phone after which makes way more sense yeah yeah right but
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you don't want to capture video no don't dad what are you doing all right answers will be after the show as usual we'll be right
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00:24:43
this is CES week so as we're recording this it's kind of the middle of CES week and we've got some people out there at
00:24:49
the show floor itself we uh we're going to throw it to our our on the floor correspondent Ellis reporting from the
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field for us Ellis let us know what's going on on the show Flor Marquez I'm reporting live from the high sense Booth
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of the floor of CES 2024 as you can see they appear to have set up some sort of Wonderland it seems
00:25:08
there's a uh there's a giant orb of of seemingly some sort of LED panel we have the sweets Island showing some sort of a plastic recycling process uh in about 1
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minute we're going to see the dancing car start over there but it seems that here in the high sense Booth uh things
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are fantastic and wonderful back to you Marquez all right there are many orbs in Las Vegas there are many orbs there are the dancing cars that was like the
00:25:41
perfect encapsulation of like if you could stand in one spot at CES and see CES everywhere you turn there's something else that you didn't expect to see I hope they went through the LG
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tunnel H yeah the that's there every year yeah that's a good one yeah I hope he did too this is 's first we sent
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Ellis and Mariot it's their first CES and they're perfect for CES they certainly had a lot to explore I think they're thriving out there m I think we've got a little bit more from our
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correspondents else saw let's pull up another one Marquez I'm sitting here on the central floor of CES I'm actually in a car believe it or not made by TCL
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known for their epic qled televisions I used to have one for years it was great this car much like their television I
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appears to be great I mean look at this leg room just fantastic you're not going
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to find this in any vehicle other than maybe a real life limousine up in front we have a giant giant wraparound OLED
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screen two OLED screens with a notch Alla apple right here all in all great product I hope we get to see it on the
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road we probably won't but all in all just a fantastic product and thank you for TCL for letting me sit in the back
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of this car Marquez back to you okay for audio listeners car is a generous term there it was four seats on the CES show floor the thing
00:27:05
about the thing about CEs is it stands for Consumer Electronic Show but most of the things you see there aren't actually consumer electronics yeah they're not going to come out there's lots of car
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stuff at CES there's a whole Hall where you see like tons of different cars and there's like a Mobility section and the future of cars and then once in a while
00:27:24
you get an entire car that gets announced and you're like is this ever ay a really that's coming out apparently
00:27:30
this year it was there and they drove it on stage with a PS5 controller yeah that happened that's a real thing that happened think about that in any other
00:27:38
contexts they drove the Sony car on stage with a PS5 controller if Tesla did that you'd be like come on yeah really
00:27:45
but that's what's happening I suspect that that wasn't a TCL car as much as it's a demo of how TCL Technologies can
00:27:52
be in a car you know cuz hey we make screens and guess where you need screens new cars so so Ellis got a taste of uh
00:28:00
all those things yeah CES is kind of like a Vibe rather than a product it's like here's maybe yeah yeah it's like
00:28:07
here's a bunch of crazy stuff and maybe 10% of it later will be pretty cool when
00:28:13
you can actually buy I just felt like that video like perfectly encapsulated like car releases at CES
00:28:20
it's like I'm sitting in this thing so maybe it's real most likely not but look at how cool it is there's so many like
00:28:26
quote unquote cars out there that are just like a box with a million screens and seats facing each other and then
00:28:33
there's like Wheels outside I want someone to make a chart of the proportion of cars shown at CES whose seats do not Face Forward yeah and how
00:28:44
that has gone up over time yeah wait a second you don't have to drive so you could just look at each other you just
00:28:51
turn around and that's become a thing yeah all right out there for one more segment last video hit us with it Ellis Marquez I'm coming to you live once again this time from the Venetian expo
00:29:03
hall at CES I am currently being jiggled by one of Dr Fuji's uh this appears to be a thigh and glute Shaker um it's this is fantastic I I have to say this is the
00:29:14
best product most Innovation um sh frankly I think the government should be buying these for people it's it's a
00:29:20
travesty that the rest of America hasn't been exposed to Dr Fuji's Wonder um if you're at CES I highly recommend
00:29:27
stopping by this food Dr Fuji would would you would you like a word yeah thank you so much this is a lifesty a c
00:29:35
lifesty sit in his house right we is disable hi there vibration plate is actually vibration medicine Nicola Tesla
00:29:48
says it best everything is energy frequency and vibration and when you figure out that everything is vibration
00:29:55
you figure out the keys to the universe thank you oh I I couldn't have said it any better myself thank you very much Marquez I'm going to send it back to you in the
00:30:06
studio so that reminds me yeah CES is yeah CES is a couple things yeah CES is a Vibe check it's like hey here's our new tech
00:30:21
interested question mark yeah CES is also PR uh-huh here is our new thing come on write about it that's what you're here for uhhuh and CES is uh
00:30:35
tradition tradition the tradition part of it is Dr Fuji he okay for those that don't know Dr Fuji I did not Andrew had to explain this to me this morning oh I saw Dr Fuji every year I went to CES
00:30:46
your formative CES experience yeah he makes these vibrational pads that you stand on that are supposed to be good
00:30:52
for your like they supposed to like burn there's been like Decades of those kind of like I think it used to be you stood
00:30:58
and there's a band like around your back and it would like kind of shake you and this is now like more of a a platform
00:31:04
you stand on and it shakes and I think they do massage chairs also holistic like core training Nia tle said
00:31:11
it best well she said you know okay you know what's funny so I was in New Orleans a couple weekends ago and I walked by this like random like street vendor and he had a bunch of rings that
00:31:22
he probably like bought from China and imported and sold to a lot of people but this guy walked up and he's looking and he's like you like that ring he's like
00:31:29
yeah my daughter likes purple and he's like you know why you like that ring and he's like well it's it's purple my
00:31:34
daughter and he's like it's made of amethyst you know what amethyst does he was like what and he says amethyst has
00:31:41
the same vibrational frequency as your body so when you're touching amethyst you're touching yourself and I was like yeah all right
00:31:49
Dr Fuji you're you're on to something there man love thatway you know when don't
00:31:57
have to get FDA approval you can just do whatever sometimes yeah that's true look CES is um it's full of all kinds of
00:32:04
Wonders I kind of though feel like we've sort of sat back perched back a little bit and seen a lot of the CES stuff from
00:32:12
afar obviously these guys have been in the thick of it and that's what we've just witnessed and I love that but I'm
00:32:18
curious what you guys have seen that you think is genuinely actually some of the best stuff from CES like good stuff from
00:32:24
CES yeah it's easy to make fun of CES and that was the CES CES but there is Diamonds in the Rough out there finding them is tough we sent people to find them for us this year or the internet um
00:32:37
but I think we asked everyone to pick something they they saw that was an announcement from CES yeah who wants to go first I can go yeah do it up so Razer
00:32:45
every year has something that's it's usually in the same exact category it's an interesting idea that you're
00:32:51
convinced they'll never ship but you're like well I could kind of see razor shipping this and this year they did it
00:32:57
again they called it project Esther this year uh and if you just go do a quick Google search for Razor's project Esther it's described as an HD haptics gaming
00:33:08
cushion you put this on your gaming chair you connect it to your computer and it with super low latency can deliver some of the effects of what you're feeling in the game through the
00:33:20
chair the back the seat the lower back the whole thing if you're playing a shooting game allegedly
00:33:27
this is coming from a reviewer from Tom's Hardware this is allegedly you feel like you got hit by the gun like you feel some of the things in the game
00:33:38
also you can only get shot in the back you can only get shot in the back this is a very valid point in true I want us
00:33:43
to ignore that for a second but imagine like the you've seen like belief you've seen the um there's like uh sofas that
00:33:51
you put put subers you like Feel the Bass imagine feeling the base from the music listen I'm I'm making fun of it
00:33:58
but I actually think one this is the least ridiculous thing Razer like shown at CES remember project Linda which
00:34:04
again was really cool but I didn't think it was ever going to ship that was the phone that acted as the trackpad of the
00:34:10
shell for a laptop that was awesome I think I think Samsung and Dex should do something like that now because I
00:34:15
actually think that's a really cool idea but this looks really sick for like racing like I immediately look at racing
00:34:21
games where I think it would be coolest there's people build all sorts of racing simulators if this is a couple hundred
00:34:26
bucks you get a bunch of extra feel in a racing simulator if you're putting it on the racing chair or the razor chair it's
00:34:31
already like a racing seat you throw a steering wheel and some pedals on this and like I actually think this is pretty
00:34:37
neat and very razor do you think they're actually going to release this so I think this gets relas this can get released so allegedly there's an SDK cuz
00:34:44
as of right now when you're doing that like uh subwoofer under the couch thing it's just taking the speaker audio
00:34:50
already and choosing which frequencies to send where so if you're if there's some ba some bass in the movie you're watching then it's like all right we'll
00:34:56
put that under your seat if you're playing a game and there's a gunshot maybe that specific frequency is like
00:35:02
picked up by the software but if you're working with the the developer of the game itself with an SDK they can choose
00:35:09
exactly what to send where so if you're doing a driving game instead of just relying on the engine sound from the
00:35:14
speakers maybe the developer of the game can send the track bumps to your chair which would be kind of sick it' be cool so I it has some potential and it also RGB this picture shows RGB let's be real
00:35:27
there's only one photo I see with RGB and considering all the other razor ones don't actually show it it just has like
00:35:32
a green lining I kind of think it's not but I hope they make an RGB version um but the reason I think this sh yeah okay
00:35:40
okay I mean it's Razer there's got to be an RGB version the reason I think this ships is cuz ultimately it's a high
00:35:46
quality massage chair pad that they can specifically Target sections and that's not it seems a lot less insane than a lot of no exactly it's very reasonable product
00:35:57
yeah in previous years they had a they had a TRC screen laptop that got famously got stolen yeah that was really
00:36:03
funny they had that monitor one year that I forget if it ever got released but it was that was like early on of the
00:36:10
like 4K High refresh rate or like crazy high refresh rate it had like multiple cables going into it to achieve it I think's one of the few companies that goes hard at CES but project Lind is one
00:36:21
of my favorite things razor ever released yeah so that's my pick high definition haptics through your butt
00:36:26
from the game I was entertained by that I really liked did you see the vinfast pickup truck I saw a picture of it I think it looks really cool um is it legit I mean vinfast has been making a
00:36:39
lot of cars um they released a pickup truck and also this little SUV that's like a twodo SUV it basically looks like
00:36:47
if you took a Broncos sport took the back doors off and just smush the trunk back up on it um but I like the truck
00:36:54
because it just looks nice it looks about the size of it coma and do you remember when the Silverado EV came out
00:36:59
and I know other trucks have done this but it had like a compart an opening so if you were sliding like wood through
00:37:06
the back bed of the truck it could come into kind of the cab this vinfast has the entire back seat able to fold down
00:37:13
and completely open up to the cab the truck so yeah not just the little bottom portion of it but the entire part of it
00:37:20
so I think that's awesome and gives you a bunch of extra space um I think it looks really cool I like the size of it
00:37:26
it's obvious smaller than an F-150 and the interior looks very CES that looks very future I want I wanted to get into that I think that'll be I don't know enough about vinfast I have a hard time
00:37:37
believing that's what that'll be or if it is this is going to be way more expensive than it needs to be right everything else this is a concept truck
00:37:44
announced at CES so my question is if vinfast is actually going to make a pickup truck like this how much of it
00:37:52
will end up in the actual truck right I think the design could but this concept also has like is this the my back doors the suicide doors what is it what do you call the back door opens backwards so
00:38:05
you got the doors opening like that they open from the same point they go opposite directions I don't think that
00:38:10
makes it pickup truck not a good idea uh I hope that the feature you're talking about with the the see that the tailgate
00:38:19
I don't know what to call it it has a name something else gate it's not the tailgate it's like the the tailgate what
00:38:24
all the way in the back what opens in to get to the bed of the truck but this is where the bed and the back row of seats connects I think that feature would be
00:38:31
nice to have in the real truck uh I think the interior looks very much more like a normal truck than this the funny
00:38:38
thing is is I think if this truck as the concept was toned down 25% I would like
00:38:43
it better and so that's why I think be as cool as CES flashy no but when it sells later if the interior is less
00:38:49
flashy if the exterior was probably a little more just normal and then it still had features like that I think this is a really cool truck there's not a lot of vinfast cars in the US but I think no yeah we haven't really gotten a
00:39:01
CH working on sort of actually breaking out and shipping them here yeah yeah so I have uh two I have one that is very
00:39:09
expensive and may or may not even ship and then I have one that is already shipping which is pretty cool so main
00:39:15
one um LG signature OLED t Okay uh every year there is a there's a lot of really interesting TV tech at CES uh a lot of
00:39:25
it doesn't make out of CES like 3D TVs that were a thing temporarily and then everyone realized we're dumb this is
00:39:33
very interesting it almost kind of looks like a fish tank like a very nice little fish tank but basically it has uh the
00:39:39
the transparent TV portion in the middle and because of this with no black film on the back you're able to give these like really cool 3D effects that make it look like there's like a volumetric type
00:39:55
display inside of the TV and they have a lot of interesting demos I think that it could make for a very
00:40:01
interesting piece of art right it's it's sort of like a a different version of the Samsung frame TVs that turn into
00:40:07
static art this is like moving art LG had a different Booth or like a side room filled with different displays and they were using something similar to this as like a storefront window that
00:40:18
was able to do like transparent video so like you could make the your store pop a
00:40:25
little more and I think was really cool and this looks like that bundled down into like an an interior consumer Gadget
00:40:32
it is interesting because a lot of the time the LG stuff does eventually ship like the rollable TV did eventually ship
00:40:39
you can buy it it's super freaking expensive this will probably super fre be freaking expensive as ships but you
00:40:45
could turn into a regular TV when you do basically this black film lifts up in the back which gives it contrast so
00:40:51
you're actually able to see what you're watching it doesn't it doesn't look as good as a regular TV when it has the
00:40:57
black film up but it's like passable so it's I think it's more for people that want to have an art piece in their house
00:41:02
and then can also watch things when they want to to the rollable TV yeah I mean I can see this in businesses also as just
00:41:09
like cool display units I mean yeah LG is the one who I think would they're the ones who at CES they put crazy stuff out and then I'm like that might that's probably actually going to come out
00:41:20
might not sell a bunch and it's going to be super expensive but it's going to come out and it's going to be impressive
00:41:25
yeah um there's another thing that is actually going to ship like immediately uh called the audio teica atx7 they are a pair of earbuds and
00:41:36
they're not that different from regular earbuds except they have a feature built in that can basically play relaxing
00:41:43
music and it's like built into the headphones and I know this seems like gimmicky and you could just go on your
00:41:49
phone and play the music from like some thing whatever but I listen to uh like naturey soundscape music when I'm writing and I feel like the ability to just like pop these in and just press
00:42:00
them and immediately have it play would be kind of nice a headphones already sound pretty good so I mean yeah there's
00:42:06
already a $200 Audio Technica pair of truly wireless earbuds which is probably worth it already audio technico makes
00:42:13
great stuff and 200 bucks is pretty standard price for stuff like this so hash notsponsored but if you want to
00:42:20
send a pair I won't be I won not opposed yeah so I just think that's fun I what is kind of nice is when technology comes out that has very lowkey updates that
00:42:30
are just kind of quality of life improvements uh most of CES is clearly just this like we're Reinventing this
00:42:37
and it probably won't work and people probably won't buy it uh but it's always nice when they're just like we added
00:42:42
this kind of nice quality of life feature to a thing that you already had um now traditionally that makes for a
00:42:48
little bit more of a boring CES like a few years ago the whole theme of CES was we added Alexa to your fridge we added Alexa to your microwave or your clock
00:42:59
but um obviously this year it's AI stuff which we'll get into in a little bit put gp2 and your toaster yes crey
00:43:06
toaster yeah I think this would be neat I I wish I could sleep with earbuds in because I think it would be awesome to just have earbuds in and just like hit the button and go to sleep with relaxing sounds there are the Bose sleep buds
00:43:19
that they don't make anymore I don't think but I just can't sleep with things sticking out of my ears can not just
00:43:25
like a white noise machine yeah but then everyone has to hear it versus just me sounds like their problem yeah that's
00:43:31
fair yeah they can put earbuds in I just go with a fan yeah but yeah okay that's
00:43:36
uh Audio Technica atth wx7 great please start naming better the name getting longer
00:43:43
atth M50 was the same number of characters but easier to say yeah atth t atth wx7 is it's getting a little harder to say yeah not sure why you're using
00:43:56
all those letters but okay yeah um I think those are good picks also new PS5 colors nice red white and blue Adam has a pick too America what do you got Adam
00:44:06
what's your pick U Mine was the mono Key Systems it's like a low profile keyboard
00:44:12
from I think that's how you pronounce it right mon I mentioned this just like offand to Andrew that I want to do this
00:44:18
and he kindly gave me a paragraph or two of like whole specs to say and mention and comparison mon is a a company that's already really popular in the mechanical keyboard space
00:44:31
I have a couple of theirs um they they like started they have super super premium like 500 plus dollar keyboards
00:44:38
last year they released a more like a $200 keyboard but mechanical in stock and now this is the low profile stuff cuz we're seeing a lot more with the popularity of the magic keyboard I think
00:44:50
a lot of keyboard companies are like people like low profile but let's make them nice and mechanical not scissor
00:44:56
switch um so like Kyron and newy have done it already and they're really nice and this is mono key going into that
00:45:02
range I knew none of that I just saw it and I was like this thing pretty I want it looks really nice it looks like have
00:45:07
you seen that work louder keyboard no there's a company called work louder that's doing this low profile keyboard
00:45:14
except it's um why can't I remember the name something linear where all the keys
00:45:20
rather than staggered are uh orthol linear I think it's called where all the keys are like in the same row
00:45:28
looks very there scre and and justly I looked again some of the work louder is orthol linear some of them is regular layout um but yeah all of them I want
00:45:40
this is similar to that but in a standard layout that people actually understand more a little more lowkey um I don't know if you see a picture of it yeah I think it looks really good it's
00:45:51
in silver and black wireless Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz dongle silent or tactile switch options and available mid year keyboard is beautiful it looks gorgeous
00:46:02
it looks really nice I really liked mono key stuff as well I didn't think I was going to want to buy a new keyboard so
00:46:08
fast same wasn't on my 2024 bingo card nice all right yeah I wish I got to see it they invited us over to see it but we didn't go so damn well we should do
00:46:20
another trivia and then after the break we're going to talk about that rabbit R1 AI Hardware product
00:46:27
we have a lot ofs about and we will get into soon but Adam you want to throw us a trivia question nah okay see you guys
00:46:35
later oh oh oh you're kidding yes right always have a trivia question all right so we spoke a lot about cars on this episode so far but one thing I found while looking up random facts about cars
00:46:48
is that there are many different types of horsepower which of these isn't a real
00:46:53
type of horsepower a draw bar horsepower B water wheel horsepower C electric horsepower or D boiler horsepower I think I know the answer interesting I
00:47:07
don't I think I've got a random guess because I forgot everything he's said already perfect I can put a letter down
00:47:14
yeah all right we'll do that after the break we'll be right back all right welcome back we have one more thing to talk about surprisingly the entire last section of the Pod we've
00:47:30
just we've dedicated just one thing because it's captured our attention so impressively that we have so many
00:47:36
thoughts about it now it was initially like teased on social media this is I'll just say it's called the the rabbit right so this is this AI device
00:47:47
assistant thing I think it's the R1 sorry the company is called rabbit and it's we didn't know what it was called
00:47:53
but it was some rabbit AI thing and now we know it's called the rabbit R1 which is like rabbit rabbit one R well it's
00:48:00
like the yeah the the central phone ph1 but that was phone pH yeah whatever it's R1 the chip in division Pro is an R1 no it's the M M2
00:48:12
plus R1 that's the other one I forgot about that one R1 what is the R1 oh the R1 chip to process visual data we're off
00:48:18
topic anyway it's the it's the rabbit R1 and what the thing is is it is a piece of Hardware that has an AI built into it that can do lots of things based on
00:48:30
natural language input lots of helpful things lots of things that would normally take you a bunch of Taps on a smartphone lots of things that you might
00:48:37
want to perform on a regular basis it has a microphone it has a speaker it has a camera built in it has a little screen
00:48:42
on the front and it's a little rabbit AI that does all these things for you now my first exposure to it and I think
00:48:48
yours was too was a video of a bunch of people holding a blurred item because it
00:48:54
wasn't revealed yet giving it prompts uh I'm gonna actually play that video so you guys can hear some of the uh insane things that it was asking this
00:49:04
thing to do order me an Uber and find me a good podcast to pass the time oh and tell everybody that I might be late that was delicious check the fridge and order the
00:49:17
ingredients to make that again tomorrow create a route that works with my goals then start the best playlist to keep me
00:49:23
motivated watch what I'm doing here process all my new photos today just like this find us a nice restaurant near
00:49:30
here then get us there so you get the idea it's very focused on natural language input and then just a super helpful thing that carries out the task for you now I've been I've been thinking
00:49:42
about like AI assistant a lot lately just because like we're we know Google assistant is going to get better we're waiting for sir to get better we already
00:49:48
know Alexa and stuff are getting better and I think the idea that we want them to be able to be good at is everything
00:49:55
human assistant would be good at right because most people don't have a personal assistant so if you're a phone can be as helpful as possible and you can just tell it what to do and it can
00:50:06
do it that would be the ideal solution but they've never quite gotten there you have to speak in a certain way when you
00:50:12
wake up and talk to Alexa you have to say uh tell me what the weather is in this city for this day a lot of things
00:50:18
you have to be specific about and know how to prompt it in order to get it to do exactly what you want yeah and a lot of other things it just straight up
00:50:24
can't quite do and so the idea behind why I think people are so compelled by this is wouldn't it be cool if I could
00:50:32
just talk to it like a human and it could just figure out what to do with AI and do it and I think that's super cool
00:50:39
I also think it's super difficult and so I'm curious how well this thing is actually going to work in real life and
00:50:46
now now we have a 25 minute keynote with a whole bunch more examples and it's it's very much you know an apple style
00:50:52
Steve Jobs esque like black background co-founder on the screen telling me smartphones are $700 and you have to tap
00:50:59
the screen eight times to call an Uber the thing we just made it's $200 and you just tell it to call an Uber and it does
00:51:05
it for you and the the proposed solutions to all the problems makes perfect sense I'm just very interested and probably a little skeptical about how good it will be at doing these
00:51:16
things without just turning into a phone so I'm curious what you guys thought when you saw the keynote and the
00:51:22
announcements and what this rabbit AI could actually be in maybe best case versus worst case yeah so the promo video that you showed um especially
00:51:33
because they were not showing the actual device and showing how you were going to interact with it in a touch way uh was
00:51:40
kind of funny cuz she just says call me an Uber she doesn't say where which is kind of a problem sheally she should be
00:51:47
saying call me an Uber home yeah or something like that and I was just going to say at the end she says and tell everyone I'm going to be late I can't
00:51:54
imagine telling tell everyone just like contact list contct I'm going to be late and I think
00:52:01
so with that even I think the Believers would say it's got to be context aware it knows where you are and it knows that you just finished some appointment and it knows you're going to go home so when you say call me in Uber it knows your
00:52:13
location from GPS and it's going to know to call you an Uber home and hopefully gets it right and when it says tell everyone I'm going to be late it knows
00:52:20
about your next appointment at home and it knows who's there and so it knows to tell like it's going to hopefully
00:52:26
process all of this stuff and all this context and get it right hopefully it just seems like so many things it has to
00:52:33
get right yeah they call this a large action model because with large language models uh the foundation of that is a
00:52:39
Transformer and the best part about a Transformer is that it understands contexts of words so you don't have to
00:52:45
use like extremely specific words to trigger the assistant in the right way and interacted with it in a right way
00:52:50
and if you've ever like had someone who's not super techsavvy tried to interact with a virtual assistant
00:52:56
usually it says sorry I don't understand because they don't use the right trigger words exact so theoretically the best
00:53:02
part of a uh large language model that you would interact with with your voice is that you could basically say anything
00:53:08
and then it would be able to do it now the next step of that is what rabbit's trying to do here where you say things
00:53:14
to it it understands the context of what you're saying and it can act on those context clues yeah um that's clearly a very big Leap Forward because right now
00:53:26
all you can really do with these large language models is like talk to an assistant and have it chat back to you
00:53:32
so actually being able to interact with your apps is very interesting and the reason that in the commercial they had
00:53:37
her go CL mover oh and um like they had her do that on purpose because it shows you that this is the way that humans actually interact with each other and you don't have to use like very specific
00:53:49
keywords to make it work the way that you plug in your apps is really interesting set up yeah you can log in
00:53:57
so it has a little LCD screen that kind of looks like a little phone it kind of looks like a um what is the the play dat
00:54:02
the play dat it's made by engineer right and it's bright orange designed by and it's got this swiveling camera and all
00:54:08
this beautiful it's beautiful but it is the size of a phone yeah yeah well not a
00:54:14
whole it's like a Galaxy Z flip it's big enough to be like it like the Humane pin
00:54:20
whole thing was that it's like a small thing that connects to you this AI Hardware is like it's not your phone but
00:54:26
you're not they they specifically said this is not getting rid of your phone but it still is a Phish sized object
00:54:32
that you're carrying around probably exactly how you're carrying your phone around right the other so just wanted to
00:54:38
throw that out there that is like yeah it is about phone size marz you're going to need more Pockets yeah Pockets now
00:54:44
yeah I mean I have to give them some uh credit like there are things about this that actually kind of surprised me and
00:54:51
that said okay that makes a lot of sense uh he kept mentioning that the phone was supposed to be a thing that saved you
00:54:56
time but actually at this point it's become a thing that just distracts you I have so many thoughts on that yeah I mean I don't think phones are the
00:55:03
problem I think that addictive apps are the problem and things like social media apps and maybe either just using your
00:55:10
like reduced screen time thing or not having your social media apps on your phone could do this but the big question
00:55:18
here is like do you need a dedicated Hardware device or could this one be an app or two won't
00:55:25
most of these features probably get added to Google assistant and Siri within the next year within the next year yeah he was very adamant about
00:55:32
saying that apps like we've had been in this ecosystem that it's app focused and
00:55:37
that using apps always consists of multiple touches and different drop down menus and all sorts of different things
00:55:44
where if you can just speak what you want to do it's much easier to do that than to know exactly how to use every
00:55:50
single app which kind of feels like you know our generation and the generation under us is
00:55:55
very good at controlling apps so it's one of those weird things where this sounds like it's trying to we've talked
00:56:00
multiple times before about large language models being great as assistant because then people can talk to it with
00:56:06
normal words and like somebody troubleshooting something doesn't need to call us they can just ask normally
00:56:13
this feel that kind of sounds like they're what they're pointing to but it's also new technology that yeah I
00:56:18
don't know but um where do I start there's a lot there so a lot of people were saying if this was an app nobody
00:56:25
would care about it so they had to make it both a hardware product and they had to make it really cute and fun and
00:56:31
that's why they got teenage engineering involved which makes sense I mean Fair they got I was looking into this company
00:56:37
they secured their series a funding round in October two months ago Ser or three months ago they were they secured their series B funding round in December one month ago so this is an an extremely
00:56:49
new company that's breaking on the scene really really fast it's like we we were
00:56:55
joking yesterday it's like literally the opposite of the opposite where human like Hypes their product for two years
00:57:00
kind of pivots the point of their product because they were making it before uh like chat GPT even came out
00:57:06
and then they added AI to all their stuff afterwards yeah uh whereas this is like it's $200 versus $600 it no subscription there's no subscription required although it does
00:57:17
take a SIM card tray so if you want it to have access to uh stuff all the time you do have to pay for another cellular plan which sucks M um or I guess you could tether off of your phone or use Wi-Fi more often but you're going to
00:57:29
want to be able to use it whenever wherever yeah so yeah the Humane pin is also a projector under your hand which is a whole bunch of other a whole whole bunch of other the hilarious part about the Humane AI pin is the rabbit ai's
00:57:41
entire thing is there are too many Taps involved to do something on your phone and the Humane AI pin takes even more
00:57:47
gestures to do a single task that's fair okay so I I I have a bunch of things to
00:57:53
talk about I think so the first part is the part where apps take too many Taps is debatable I think if you use the example of calling an Uber for example yes there are a bunch of different apps
00:58:06
you can use to call a ride to go somewhere or to do anything and the setup process which we're going to touch
00:58:11
on is you just connect your rabbit to all of your accounts your Spotify your Uber your Amazon your eBay everything so
00:58:18
it just knows with the AI where to go to do every task so you need to call an Uber on your phone that's open up your
00:58:25
phone open the Uber app tell it where you want to go hit confirm hit Uber X confirm yes I want to go there and it
00:58:32
goes to the GPS location of your phone maybe it's five taps or something I don't know and the idea with this best
00:58:39
case scenario is you open it up and you just say call me an Uber home and it's it's pushed to talk so it's not
00:58:46
listening all the time so it's nice you don't need a special keyword you just talk to it like a human call me an Uber home and it knows based on your GPS
00:58:52
location where you are where home is and and it just finds an Uber and you just say confirm once and you're good so it saved you Taps mhm and it saved you
00:59:01
thought because you just talk to it in a natural way but what are the chances Uber just improves their app or Google Assistant improves with some API plugs
00:59:13
to the point where in two months it can do exactly what rabbit can do extremely high chance I think that's very likely
00:59:19
yeah so that was the first thing that came to mind but then the second thing is multi AI is still really cool they
00:59:25
did this demo of like you pointed out a fridge and hey what can I make with these vegetables that I stacked up
00:59:31
perfectly in the front of my perfect fridge the fridge that only uses the front 4 in of the each shelf nothing
00:59:38
drawers everything's everything's in the front what can I make with this all vegetables and eggs and they made an omelette yeah you can make you can
00:59:45
always make an omelette trust me yeah but the the multimodal AI thing is still really fascinating because I think in general that that's where we're all going and prompt engineering has become
00:59:57
less and less of a skill and more just can we make it as easy as possible for the for the user to just talk to it like
01:00:03
normal and get what they want out of it I think that's all great I just think this could be a it could it could have
01:00:10
been a $50 app I think you're right and it would have gotten less attention but it would have been just as useful if I just open up the rabbit app and just say
01:00:17
call me an Uber and it you remember when SoundHound came out before like Google Assistant was any good and it was way
01:00:23
better than Google Assistant for the and then eventually it just kind of got worse and worse because it was better at
01:00:28
those context clues um and then eventually it lost relevance yeah because the big players got into it and when I see this I see like this is a small device that has a camera and some
01:00:40
processing power it has a 2.3 GHz mediatech processor 4 gigs of memory 128 gigs of storage if I could find some that you still have to pull out of your pocket and you still have to have your
01:00:50
phone you still have to charge and has all day battery on yeah all day battery it has a camera if I'm trying to think of something that has internal
01:00:57
components that with better specs a better camera better screen you that already taking out of my pocket you're
01:01:04
already charging I could do all of this yeah if it had an app to tell it to do all of this if this could be this is
01:01:09
just or if they just update the existing assistant that's the thing like Google I Google made a big push in like 2021
01:01:16
where they added these API plugs for apps so that you could do things with Google Assistant I remember they sent me
01:01:21
try something quick they sent me those like self-lacing Nike training shoes along with like a My Fitness Pal like
01:01:28
thing because they launched this plugin with my fitness pal where you can say hey G add this to my fitness palet and
01:01:34
it just does it right so they already have those kind of things but the the missing link right there was the the
01:01:41
better natural language processing through Transformers which will get added to Google Assistant like within a
01:01:47
year yeah this like and this isn't to take away from some of the impressive things that they did software-wise and
01:01:53
AI wise like the uh L versus they showed pretty briefly I wish they explained it a little more but just kind of like how it can take action in different apps and how it's connected to that and then also that they did the
01:02:04
like watch me do this mid journey in Discord which was really cool and you can train it but all of that could be an
01:02:13
app on better Hardware that you own already because if it's not replacing a phone this can't make phone calls as far
01:02:19
as I can tell nobody I think someone said it can make phone calls then it's weird calling it not a phone because it
01:02:24
is kind of a phone like this is just a different phone but you don't scroll an existing UI yeah that's yeah it's not an
01:02:32
app based uh operating system which is what they were like very adamant about remember when we got new launchers every couple months mhm this would have been a sick launcher this would be a sick launcher like on Android phone if it's
01:02:43
just a rabbit launcher and you open it up and it's just a full screen rabbit which is what they're doing it's just a full screen rabbit and you talk to the
01:02:50
rabbit you're like call me an Uber and the rabbit bounces a few times and it's like all right I did it yeah I used I used the Uber app behind you and I
01:02:56
called you an Uber yeah and now it's working I want to try something real quick you want me to try and call I just want to see if Google how how close does
01:03:02
Google assistant get to just doing what this does just call call me an Uber home call me an Uber to New York airport
01:03:09
you'd like me to call you by the name in Uber to Newark Airport clearly the context clues are
01:03:16
not there I'm so glad you guys left cuz I just thought it was right and I was about to hit yes call me call me an Uber
01:03:24
New York airport hi in Uber to New York airport I'm Google Assistant okay so that did not work yeah okay wait
01:03:30
regarding the R1 I do have two things I want to say yeah one last year which was
01:03:35
only like two weeks ago or three weeks ago I said that the trend of 2024 was going to be colorful things and here we
01:03:41
are it's like a bright orang looks only one col the best part about it I know it
01:03:47
looks great the second thing is I feel like just with this and all AI stuff in general it assumes a level of trust that I don't don't have with like my phone right now like I will call in Uber and
01:03:59
still look at the map and make sure this guy is coming to me I want to just for if your level of trust is in privacy things because that's what I first thought well okay that's different but
01:04:09
what you're most saying is execution execution also privacy was a whole other thing but I just mean like will this
01:04:14
thing work yes most people don't even trust their technology to do the thing they're doing I also think we have a
01:04:20
natural tendency to shop a little bit Yeah like yes calling Uber is fine if you are not price sensitive to the ride and you're just like get me home I don't care make it in Uber but some people
01:04:31
also have lift and they'll check both and they had this whole segment in the thing where it was like plan me a trip
01:04:38
plan me a vacation to London let me see some cool sites and let it be a relaxed schedule and it's like all right I've
01:04:44
got your flights your hotel and everything I'm like you trust it that much I really don't want to just go to
01:04:50
the first option I'd rather shop and I think that's a natural tendency if you were able to just say call me a car home
01:04:57
make it the cheapest option I don't care about comfort and it was able to search lift and Uber and then figure out which
01:05:03
was cheaper and then call it and then you get a one star Uber ride home cuz it's the cheapest yeah there's a lot of
01:05:09
stuff shopping around you kind of want to find that balance an airplane I would never trust it just be like get me a
01:05:14
flight there and it's like are we it did say make us all sit together so it's like are we all sitting in the back of the plane in the cheapest flight and I
01:05:21
have no carryon luggage or like yeah the emergency door yeah right next to the plug so my phone could fly the very interesting thing about this product is that it is a
01:05:32
universal kind of it's a universal product that can access any app and do any theoretically so we talked a little
01:05:39
bit about this earlier but there's this training mode where effectively uh it's on your computer it's like a web- based
01:05:46
portal and you show it a website that you're trying to interact with or like a service that you're trying to interact
01:05:52
with and you're basically training the AI what it means to interact with that service and the way that you would
01:05:57
interact with it and then once you're done training it theoretically you can just use prompts on your phone or on not
01:06:04
your phone maybe in the future on your phone on the R1 and then it's able to kind of go through that process for you
01:06:10
so in the demo that they played in the introduction video they it showed him like creating an image through mid
01:06:15
journey through Discord and it recorded the session and then when he says create this thing it just pulls up the images
01:06:22
on his rabbit the whole process macros it's like a macro so in the off chance that one of the 20 apps that they
01:06:28
support off the bat isn't one of the things you want to use like let's say they only have Spotify and apple music
01:06:33
and there's a song you want to listen to on Soundcloud well then you have to train it for SoundCloud do the UI on the
01:06:39
computer make sure it knows what it means to go to SoundCloud to look for something and then when you say R1 play me that song from last night on
01:06:45
Soundcloud it will know what that means and how to do it cuz you trained it I do like that as a concept because Google in
01:06:52
June of 2023 released Google Google Assistant for developers where developers can plug into the Google
01:06:57
assistant so that you you can have an open API or you can like have it access your app and do different actions but
01:07:04
apis for developers are famously like this happens all the time Razer will release some crazy new RGB API and
01:07:12
nobody uses it in their game or their application like they have a couple of partners that do it at launch and nobody
01:07:17
else does it so being able to theoretically access anything by just training it yourself is a very cool
01:07:24
concept yeah now this is going to be hilarious to see how this actually works in real life because if you train
01:07:31
something to do it and then you're out and you have you need it to be able to do that and then it just doesn't work
01:07:37
then you got to pull out your phone and that's a problem but or if the UI changes on the site or something changes like if there's one thing I know about
01:07:42
macros is that you spend 45 minutes setting it up and then the next week this the website tweaks something a
01:07:48
little bit in the background it breaks everything you built right that's just a thing that happens so yeah or the web
01:07:53
pages SC red down by 25% and so it clicks on the wrong thing I will say that feature is the reason it was in my
01:07:59
cart for like an hour and I was debating buying it for so long that feature could be sick I think there's like kind of two
01:08:05
ways I see this going and and one is this turns into an app on your phone and I think this company gets bought out and some other company uses it in that so I think that's the the way it goes where
01:08:16
it makes a ton of money the way it goes where people buy this R1 Hardware product is using the learning Thing by
01:08:23
figuring out very specific tasks to do that makes their workflow a little easier cuz I don't think $200 is the
01:08:30
worst price the the product looks cool and if you can figure out to some very specific thing that you nail every time Adam brought up remember the Spotify carplay thing that was like really dumb
01:08:43
and no one really wanted it but then people started finding ways to like attach it to their computer as exactly
01:08:48
what they want yeah side screen like I think people are going to find some like hacky really cool methods using the
01:08:53
learning manual or module and this just being a cool looking device yeah some people are going to do some cool stuff
01:08:59
with this this is a company that actually should have a uh store where you can upload your actions that you
01:09:05
that other people can just download because that would be really cool if other people can just train it for you
01:09:10
and then you can pull it down my question was also going to be does this live on the hardware like what happens if I buy this thing I teach it a bunch
01:09:18
of different macros I'm doing the thing and in a year or two the company goes out of business so they get bought then
01:09:24
does it still work do I need to is it just a pretty paper weight at that point like well it's $200 which is not a small
01:09:31
amount of money but I think when you compare to uh like the Humane AI pin they took shots a lot they took a lot of directly they showed it on screen
01:09:42
yeah yeah it's that's a valid question I don't know if that's planned I you know
01:09:47
the steam deck stream deck stream deck stream Deck with a bunch of buttons and you can you can map those buttons to
01:09:53
macros this is like a tiny Internet connected beautiful stream deck every time we start a new episode I press a button and the new folders pop up on my desktop perfect file structure all that
01:10:05
stuff but there's certain things also that I do that with a visual component like this would be super cool and I'm
01:10:11
wondering if this would work if that teaching process can can actually work for people people are going to love it just for that one function and I think that's awesome people will spend 200
01:10:21
bucks for that uh the whole podcast yeah hit the button learn from me editing this episode and edit the next episode yeah yeah it'll be it'll be interesting to see if that ends up being the thing that most people gravitate to but in the
01:10:33
meantime it is fascinating to see if it can pull off any of these other really broad tasks I think there's an analogy
01:10:39
to like the pal phone with this device because they don't want it to be they don't want it to replace your phone he says yet but it can do almost everything
01:10:46
that your phone could do I don't think it can do messaging if it can't do messaging or calls then that's the
01:10:52
problem with it I think is then you can't so like the one sorry to interrupt a little bit you can but like the one
01:10:59
thing about the Humane pin that I'll give it credit for is like it still has that connectivity so like you I think
01:11:05
they're trying to say throw your phone in your backpack like the pal phone get you don't need all the things on your
01:11:10
phone when you're walking around you can get some basic things out of a small thing on your but this is like you still
01:11:16
need your phone in your pocket because there's still going to be hell even ordering an Uber you might need to pull your phone out to know what address
01:11:21
you're going to so now you're looking at your phone and speaking into a thing in your other hand well this has a screen
01:11:27
though and it can probably show you but can you like search up I guess you could say hey look in my email for this
01:11:32
address I got sent like that yeah this assumes there's a digital Trail for everything like what
01:11:39
if you just told me about this new pizza place down to block and I'm like oh take me to this new pizza and it's like what are you talking about it's got to
01:11:45
remember everything it hears sees if it's poking into your email your calendar everything for it to be fully
01:11:50
context aware it needs the context of all the things the human assist never mentioned phone calls or text messages right I guess it said they never
01:11:58
show I remember someone talking about that but so then this is just a phone a small a smaller cheaper less
01:12:07
powerful phone with much better natural language and a much worse screening camera I'd be willing to try to use this
01:12:13
as my phone for a week here's the thing like I like the idea like if if this idea actually got built out and people
01:12:19
found use in it and it and people could use it I would like a premium version of this cuz this is like a a cheap plastic
01:12:26
it'd be kind of cool to have like an OLED made of metal yeah I'm shocked it looked like an
01:12:31
LCD definitely an LCD I would love an OLED I honestly thought you were joking and you were just going to l phone stuff
01:12:37
I literally thought you were just joking when you were saying that cuz I thought that's that's basically what you said if I'm like I just wish this was a phone if
01:12:44
I'm just yeah I mean I might just be coping right now if I could if I'm just like going to go to the city to have drinks with my friends and all I need to do is to be able to I mean I guess I use
01:12:57
like Apple pay or Android pay to be able to Google pay to be able to it's it's now I wanted like pulling
01:13:04
this up like pay this cashier 575 and then you like hold it next to the yeah that's the other problem that's the other major problem is that everything is voice based that's a huge problem
01:13:16
they do have a keyboard option that you can type in I think yeah and you have to press on it so it is touchcreen cuz you have to confirm it's a very small
01:13:22
keyboard and so having to talk everything that you want to do when you're around other
01:13:28
people is very frustrating a lot of talking it's a lot of talking and listening yeah so it assumes like it
01:13:34
basically assumes no social media and no messaging MH um and the messaging part is the thing that is going to be difficult so it's supposed to be able to tell all your friends are going to be late but if one of your friends replies
01:13:46
tell everyone it will probably speak it out loud and then also show it on screen maybe but does it how would they reply
01:13:52
if it's is it a phone number a separate oh unclear your s messaging number it could be a data only Sim but maybe it then that was not really detailed is it
01:14:04
Android are you a green bubble probably I not if if you can teach it to be a blue bubble and then teach it to like scrape they specifically actually they
01:14:15
made like a slight at beeper in the keyot which I think was a slighted beeper they said we're not they said
01:14:21
we're not taking advantage of their infrastructure something tricking other companies infrastructure I was like wow
01:14:26
they're taking shots at literally you can tell how recently all of this came together how recent the SLS are the
01:14:31
funny thing yeah yeah it was yeah I don't know it seems actually fairly built out uh the product considering
01:14:37
they only got funding in October but um it seems very interesting I mean we've been talking about it for like 20
01:14:42
something minutes like mission accomplished we have Twitter has not I've seen almost nothing on Twitter
01:14:47
about this I've seen I've been tagged in nothing not paid for yet some people who are basically tagging me in the key note
01:14:53
being like you got you you got to review this this is interesting the thing is if Google Assistant adds this feat and Ori
01:15:01
could just do this then you just don't need another product I don't want to charge another thing you know that's the
01:15:08
main thing for me it only lasts a day I don't want to charge another thing and I don't want to pay for another cellular plan just to have another device to give
01:15:15
them credit it's been a long time since Siri's gotten meaningfully better yes but I fully agree it feels like Google assistant is on the doorstep of doing a lot of this stuff this is happening iio
01:15:27
we're going to see this product launch as Google assistant and it's going to be orange in Orange mode this feels like
01:15:34
the prime question of product or feature yes I think 100% yeah it's like um it's
01:15:41
Clubhouse Clubhouse yeah this is the hardware Clubhouse wow that sounds so mean I'm sorry rabbit I don't mean it like that whoa yeah platformer feature
01:15:51
the thing is is I actually think there's going to be a really cool like modding community that does some really cool things with these later and it's going
01:15:57
to be a super Niche and there's going to be a million Discord servers I'm okay with that I think it's cool and since
01:16:03
it's cheaper that'll I think that'll be the best part yeah probably not what you're looking for as a company with
01:16:08
probably hundreds of millions of dollars in capital funded but uh I think it's very smart of them to make it out of really cheap materials for a relatively affordable price because it's an un
01:16:22
untested that they don't even know if people want yet or if it'll work and so if they can
01:16:27
get it in more people's and then the ecosystem gets built out then maybe they turn into a company where they can make
01:16:33
more premium versions of it and stuff whereas Humane is going like Ultra Premium we spent a ton of R&D money on
01:16:39
the projector you know and the rabbit still looks better than it yeah although it's still there are still a bit
01:16:45
different they obviously are different AI Hardwares that are directly competing with each other although yeah one has a
01:16:51
screen one has a projector one's a P one's a half of a phone I don't I have a question confused do you think the
01:16:57
rabbit R1 runs Android I think it does it almost definitely does right it has yeah yeah so it is a green bubble it's
01:17:04
green bubble but it's like what yeah definitely almost definitely but would you have to do it from yeah I don't know would you rather be a green bubble or never message ever you know what's well
01:17:15
there's so many questions about this product and it comes out in March it comes out on Easter I'm going to try to
01:17:21
review it I want to try it I want to try every single prompt that was in the commercial and see exactly what it does connect all my accounts and just send it
01:17:27
we're apparently getting review units fairly soon try it yeah and not if they listen to this episode well I want to
01:17:33
give them a chance for it to work well it could be awesome no I want to try it for sure I am delighted by the idea I
01:17:39
just I'm there are so many on the inst that's a great way of putting it if the idea is so delightful and I would love
01:17:45
for it to be true I'm just have a hard time that's going to be reality similar to the similar to the vinfast pickup
01:17:51
truck at CES mhm delighted by the idea yeah we'll see how dare you say that about we'll see how the $200 price tag makes all of these questions far more
01:18:01
palatable yeah if this was like $800 everyone would laugh at it and no one would buy it but yeah well we shall see
01:18:09
all right we shall see we'll leave it at that I feel like we'll learn a lot more obviously this pod comes out you'll all see probably some more people testing it
01:18:15
some videos from CES maybe we'll keep an eye on all of that but that's basically it for what we wanted to talk about this
01:18:21
week yeah which means that we should te it up for trivia trivia so quick update on the score Marquez with 20 Andrew with 14 David
01:18:36
with one two carry the one okay 20 20 yes also shout out to yeah just 20 carry the 120 shout out to Mariah for holding this down last week while I was on vacation by the way thank you you guys
01:18:51
know more about cro ads what CRA croads oh yeah we got a lot of things wrong about croads last week I want to put that out there um yeah they triple in size every
01:19:04
moment apparently they triple in volume volume double double in volume double in volume it's not exponential growth there
01:19:10
are not 30 meter craw cabs as excited as for anyone who believed that as pumped as I was to realize in the moment that they were 30 m across yeah no just
01:19:21
volume I wish okay okay wait I don't know if you want to say it but do you want to say a special thing that
01:19:28
happened while you were G I was on vacation and I got engaged to my lovely girlfriend Jessica your a girlfriend
01:19:35
anymore you can't now she's my fiance yeah thank you so get used to it you get get used to two things you have to get used to saying my fiance and get used to
01:19:42
writing 2024 it's gonna take everyone has to start writing Adam's fiance all right first question okay the
01:19:49
Apple Vision Pro external battery pack is stated at 2 to 2 and 1 half hours with an asterisk those four things that
01:19:56
they use to test the battery life are video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular Apple first party
01:20:10
[Music] app do you think the Vision Pro can have multiple timers do you think the Vision Pro has a calculator if it has a
01:20:21
calculator but the ey doesn't that' be so funny I would love that one more time they are video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular
01:20:32
Apple first party app okay flip them in real I feel very confident so now I'm worried I wrote two
01:20:38
things okay yeah all right I put photos Apple photos nope I put FaceTime correct
01:20:44
I also wrote FaceTime correct I had also written messaging cuz I wasn't sure if it was both or just FaceTime I was gonna
01:20:53
put messages because FaceTime takes a lot of like that's what I would think like data and stuff I would also think that spatial video would take a lot so
01:21:00
it's surprising that Apple actually cuz video playback is like playback is nothing captures a little more but in
01:21:06
terms of like doing battery life you're spending way more time on FaceTime than you're spending on taking a video or but
01:21:13
that means maybe they're over under promising an overd delivering that would be nice
01:21:18
cuz I assume if I just Safari browse or just watch a movie it'll last longer than two two and a half hours yeah I
01:21:24
just found it funny that it thinks that those are the four most popular things people are going to be doing oh that doesn't mean that at all that just means
01:21:30
that they thought that's a good number I'm sure they have data that shows I bet don't just pick things Pages for the way
01:21:38
Apple measures uh iPhone battery life and it's very often like web browsing video playback a couple things that they know will last a long time and just a cycle of like four and they're like
01:21:49
things that people do on your phone but very video capture I'm not sure yet how intensive that is why include that that's they pushed Facetime real hard in the keynote though like cuz you get to
01:22:00
make your whole like 3D face of everything your avatar yeah all right yeah that was first question second
01:22:07
question um which of these isn't a real kind of horsepower a draw bar horsepower
01:22:14
B water wheel horsepower C electric horsepower or D boiler horsepower there's a bunch more too which was interesting there's like seven or eight that I saw on the Wikipedia page whoa
01:22:31
break horsepower yeah we need some new markers in here dang we do I'm trying to channel my inner Ellis
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while he's on the CES show floor which of these is not real all right flip them and read I'll put electric you all put electric horsepower
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yeah really I thought it was a trick question electric horsepower is the power output is ordinarily stated in Watts or kilowatts in the United States the power output is stated in Horsepower
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which for this purpose is defined as exactly 746 Watts that's electric horsepower 74 I just assumed there was
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obviously I didn't really I guess yeah people usually just say it's X kilowatts yeah that would be like 7 thought was
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like a trick question where like we you consider the power from Electric to be horsepower but you call it something different when you're calling I was hoping that would trick you up the reason I picked it was because all of
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the cars that are electric that are out now we just rate in Horsepower so like why wouldn't we rate it in electric
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horsepower a lot of them will have a a slide that just says oh wa 200 kilow or I thought it said like equivalent
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horsepower it is yeah there's an there's there's an equation to get from kilowatts to horsepower but is it called
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electric horsepower yep so it's the the fake one that I made up was water wheel horsepower that sounds real I was pretty I was pretty into that I was pretty convinced about like a the boat
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version I had a whole explanation the power a water wheel would give in a stream of water moving at 10 m/ second
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after one full rotation of 360 10 that would have thrown me off really fast yeah it is maybe 1 meter per second okay all right we got got though we got got got them good
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job well okay I hope we all learned something today both about vinfast and electric horsepower and cltc and cltc so everything is just an acronym
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rabbit R1 R1 it's vinfast it's uh it's a lamb large action model it's Apple Vision Pro headstrap strap it's wave for it's wave
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it's w vfrm baby or w a v e f RM e that's not an ACR that's not how you spell it yeah take us out Marquez anyway thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for tuning in thanks for subscribing and catch you guys next week
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s and with that we'll talk about rabbits dude foxes are terrifying that's a fox now they can go yeah they literally just scream that is
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actually scary no that's a hyena no no no there's a video of a fox just like Fox giggling they do that for like a
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prolonged amount of time and it's awful