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[Music] what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and this is
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basically appleweek at least on this channel yeah for sure we have uh we have a big apple event at the beginning of
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the week and so we spend our time dissecting and discussing all the stuff they announced which this week it was wwdc lots of software features plus some
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hardware so we're going to talk about all that stuff and all of our thoughts on it plus later in the show we're going to have tim malay and bob borchers from
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apple to come on and they're going to talk to me and answer some of the questions i've got about m2 and the new products that it's going to be in so
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that should be fun but you know this is why we have the podcast just talking about stuff when it comes out yeah it
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was so like we're hardware people for sure wwdc is a software conference and yet they still manage to like have a
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bunch of really fun things that like the average person or not software people can be really excited for i mean like i
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went into this thinking we're gonna see small updates and stuff like that on ios
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ipad os mac os but like there are some things that i was genuinely excited for and i don't even use like an iphone yeah
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i thought they're cool they save it all for for one big you know announcement there's a lot of stuff piled up in here
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yeah and a new os version it's mostly like quality of life changes but like yeah really cool really interesting ways
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to do those quality of life changes and i think there's a bunch of good ones and i kind of have them written down but but
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i think we all have to first talk about how much of a gem craig federighi was throughout this entire event they've they've really okay so they've leaned into this i'm trying to figure out how to describe it so when we first started
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getting those apple produced events that we all watched the live stream of them together
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one thing that always stood out was epic transitions yeah and i think we all caught on to that theme very quickly
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when we go from ios to watch os we need to go from the part of campus where the ios guy is to the part of campus where
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the watchos guy is we will have an epic 12 second transition some drone shot with cgi blah blah special effects yeah loved that loved that um i think they've
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kind of run out of good transitions yeah and also as you say like the drone shot
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between you know apple park and like steve jobs theater is obvious right there's a direct path between it but when they have to start going like underground who knows if it's actually
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underground but you know then like in this one craig federighi is on this like floating platform going underneath steve
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jobs theater yeah so that's where they've started putting these transitions in and yeah i
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think they leaned in fully to just like okay you guys have all caught on that we do extreme transitions this one is just
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gonna be craig doing extreme transitions yeah i think they saw how he got memed with the um remember him opening up the
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laptop oh they planned that and now they're just full-blown going into the meme but they're like actually what was
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it they had slo-mo running and like him putting his hand through his hair it was it was kind of charming at first when
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they like accidentally made memes but now you can see them trying to make me moments i'm still here for it i am here
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i'm less charmed by it but i get it you got craig in a rainbow track suit which to some people is the greatest thing on earth it was amazing it's like any other executive could have put the track seat
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on but it's like craig it was kind of neat all right well we like craigslist we love we stand craig good good work greg the slo-mo running it's the thing
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that was awesome i loved every second of it yeah so let's start with ios this is probably the most new stuff in ios 16.
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i'm gonna get my hands on the betas we're gonna be trying this stuff out and playing with it for the videos by the way this is the podcast where we're gonna probably ramble and get into the
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weeds on stuff if you want the concise you know breakdown of all the new stuff and what i think of it we've done that
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video it's live it's less than 20 minutes long which i'm really proud of so all of the wwdc stuff is in that
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video but let's get into the weeds on ios 16. i just want to start with just a word to think about this entire time
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okay personalization has ios caught up to android in personalization it's a deep question don't answer it yet don't answer yet just keep it in the back of your head as we go through this stuff right
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so i think the biggest change is probably the lock screen right i honestly think lock screen may have been my favorite announcement of the entire
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event ios lock screen i think that's fair it's probably the thing that as an iphone user you you will see the most it is the
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most in your life of any iphone feature technically it is it's just like it's so simple it should be something they've
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done a long time ago but they did it really really well and they did it pretty uniquely there's just like
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a couple little things to it that just make it feel super ios super clean and what i like the most you know like we saw widgets on the home screen we saw different um font and font colors which
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is nice whatever they just did this really nice small thing where if you have kind of like a portrait photo as
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your backdrop background you can cut it and it'll like overlay it above the top clock apparently it's any photo yeah it has to have enough of uh i want
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to say portrait i mean enough of a cutout that doesn't fully cover the clock it kind of does yeah and that
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layering looks so good and i've i don't believe any androids do that yeah that's a small
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that's a small nice touch there's a there's a pretty big variety of lock screens in the android world i know i think it's xiaomi every time i get a new
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xiaomi phone i'll unlock it and there's one wallpaper and i'll put it to sleep and i'll open it up again and it's another wallpaper
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and it just refreshes with a new wallpaper every time i unlock the phone like they all have different behaviors and things you expect we all remember
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the infamous well i guess famous slide to unlock from the older iphones now we have a lot of like camera
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shortcuts and google assistant shortcuts from the pixel um this i think is one of the nicer lock
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screens on any phone now which is you get the customization you get the nice little clock feature which might be
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behind the subject of your background which is cool um and there are live uh i guess you could have a live wallpaper basically happening whether it's the the new globe one or there is a
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new weather one which is cool so you just open the phone and you see what the weather is on your lock screen but yeah like it's that the lock screen is the
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thing you see the most on your phone it's the lock screen in the home screen and the camera probably yeah i think it
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might be the cleanest lock screen out of any phone right now and it's so weird how just that little tiny change of like
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how it layers things together and makes things interact better like material u is all about colors you know coming together and
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matching this is now like the widgets and stuff or the clock is like part of your photo and it makes all of it just so seamless i mean i'm like gawking over just the fact that it's it's taking poor
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basically portrait mode and putting the clock like a little tiny bit behind it but yeah it's really nice and they smart they did add more widgets they changed
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notifications a bit and they now roll up on the bottom and swipe them away they did some live stuff
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with like um i thought one of the cool things was like your uber how close your uber is or maybe your uber eats has a live tracker
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right on your home screen stuff like that so seeing that customization feels really big and feels like it's
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overdue but i'm glad to see it yeah this is one of those things every time i see this i always compare it to google i o
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and like when we get new android features versus ios features live updating notifications is one of those things that it's been on android for a
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while but apple is now doing it in this way where they're so beautifully like created they look amazing they're hopefully well supported by app developers and so you now hope to see
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android again take the leap up but i think yeah moving notifications to the bottom
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small decision really really good idea really good idea and apple and like ios has notoriously
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been terrible at notification management so like again all these things are really good this is the most typical
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apple thing ever i think in this lock screen is super late to the party but when they
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get to the party they're showing up in in style and they're doing everything really really really well you wanna hear
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something that's super late to the party sure they just now in ios 16 added haptic feedback for the keyboard they've in all the years of the iphone
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in the last decade of ios it's only been the noise it's just been sound i actually didn't know that yeah
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and this is the first time they've actually enabled uh haptic and it's really nice apparently there's a lot of people on twitter loving it raving about
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it so again it's like yeah this has been a feature i actually tweeted this is how this is one of the the fastest ways for
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me to know if a phone has a good vibration mode or not because one of the first things you do when you get a phone is like sign into stuff and like put in
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the wi-fi password and you start typing and you either feel like or just just like a nice crisp notification you leave it on um so if it's bad i turn it off and if
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it's good i leave it on you leave it on really yeah yeah it's on it's on my phone you don't leave sounds on right no my phone's almost always muted i can't
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believe there's still people out there that keep the sound on for typing that's gotta be i i wanna like break people's
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phones when they do that if i'm ever out and i just hear i immediately just go why is this
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person's not yeah why are they not muted um i hope there's not too many people listening out there that we just offended but
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get your phone yes uh okay so there's some new messages features that are that are cool i'll go through some of these quick um you can
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now edit imessages between someone else who has ios 16 or later you will see the
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edit happen and you can only edit that imessage within 15 minutes of sending it which is something to note you don't get to just change all of your conversations forever 15 minute window
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um and it also say that it's been edited there's a little edited which is good and you can also undo send
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if you ever just hit a message you just completely regret sending you don't even want to edit it just want to take it
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back you can do that too um and you can also mark a thread as unread in messages um
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overall i think a pretty solid update a lot of people are going to like not a real difference maker for me i
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just think it's funny that we got editing imessage before we got editing tweets yes there were there were two things on this
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that it immediately crossed my own so this was one of the things that i heard like quite a few people like ooh in awe
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when it happened um and and like a lot of jokes of like oh glad i'm not gonna like i can undo that message i didn't
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mean to send to the person that when i was intoxicated i shouldn't have um it feels weird like undo send is
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if you're lucky enough to send it to somebody when they're not looking at their phone i guess you can stop that from happening
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cool there's still a really good chance when you send that they're going to see it yeah um that feels kind of weird 15
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minutes seems kind of short for editing messages especially if it shows kind of short you think i think so i thought that was actually kind of long
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i expected like a two minute edit window or a five minute at window 15 is like i
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sent the message i put my phone away i went and did something i came back i opened it and i realized i spelled
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something wrong and then i go change it i could see 15 being like that i send something
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five minutes later notice they don't respond and being like huh that's weird and then seeing what i actually sent
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makes absolutely no sense and then i can edit it maybe that's why they didn't respond i don't know it's just editing messages
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like especially if it shows you that they edited it give it an hour um but but i see all of
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this is really it kind of feels like more things that imessage can do that regular text messaging can't do that's true and a bigger gap now between you know rcs started bringing in a couple of
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little imessage esque things that can interact this made that further away now for sure
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that's on purpose for sure on purpose and feels weirdly timed with rcs stuff building up right
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now it also makes me wonder if i send a a message to someone who has an android phone and then edit it from my phone do
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you what happens to the does it send another message with the updated text what happens to the android phone i
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don't even know i bet it doesn't even give you the option do you think you just can't yeah i'm assuming editors hold it and you can't
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hold green bubbles or whatever that'd be my guess makes sense um all right what else i mean ios is
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siri got some improvements for speech to text i thought some of that was really cool and what i actually so it has
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you know there's live text already i think what was really neat is pause video and it'll automatically bring up
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live text and translation stuff like that there's text in the video really really neat one of the quick actions they showed off were
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was a currency um calculator so like rather than translate now you can also just directly
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calculate currency like these are all things where if you're traveling super super useful and even the
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the video stuff is really useful like maybe you're on a recipe on youtube or something like that and you just want to
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quickly copy down the the title card that they put in rather than like pausing it and like swiping between apps
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and typing in a notes app or whatever you can just copy and paste it now the next level version of that though is
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live objects where you're just on a i don't even know i need to figure out how this works and
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like to play with a little bit but you can just select an object in a photo and lift it out of the photo and copy and paste it into a text message what how do you even know i this is probably going
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to be answered very quickly by like using the thing but when you look at a photo does it give you an indicator of
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like hey by the way the subject of this photo you can lift it up with one tap and then you just have a sticker of
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whatever you just pulled out of the photo so you mentioned before with the um the lock screen that it can do with
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pretty much any photo right my initial thought on all this was it had to be a portrait mode photo and i
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thought maybe this as well so then like then i can only assume that the ai is getting good enough that it can select
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things out similar to like this feels like the opposite of magic eraser right magic eraser can find an
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image you can select what it is in that image and i'll erase it this feels like you're going to select that and it's
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going to figure that out and then pull it yeah you're right the background yeah yeah it seems to be working with whatever photo you throw at it it looks
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really cool this is gonna be awesome for people who have uh like telegram group or discord channel server or a slack
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server and you're making custom emotes and emojis and stuff like that you can do it um and quinn's been doing
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it a bunch on twitter and it looks like it works well because it's so fast it's well
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because it's fast and because generally if you're using it on your phone it's small enough so like you know tim would probably think it's
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the worst cutout in the world but if you're just doing it in telegram or discord like it's gonna look totally
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fine yeah it takes two seconds so i think that's that's really cool i think that's going to be awesome and it's gonna be really fun and
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i think it's gonna make people have a lot more fun in imessage again another thing that's
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going to make imessage that much harder do you think it sends it as a like jpeg or png or uh i'm guessing if you
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want to go message it to someone it would be a png because there's no background so then i guess it works fine with anything like you
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could send that to an android phone no problem yeah yeah i think it's tight all right let's talk about car play and then
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take a quick a quick break okay car play was that was this is a fascinating announcement so this is the next
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generation of car play so this some of the stuff was like yeah coming this fall coming out in a month this is
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coming to some new cars allegedly late this year so yeah i thought it that's what we know was it this year or next year it might even be late i think it was like late 23
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years so it's it's further on the horizon but the next generation of carplay has an updated ui which is
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already really cool but then it will also completely take over multiple if not all of the screens in your car now
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for some cars that might not seem like a big deal but keep in mind most a lot of new cars coming out now are just screens
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like instead of a an odometer or a tachometer or all these things with like dials they'll just have a screen with
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the ui that shows you that stuff like that's what you know a lot of electric cars are doing now and so
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you can just use car play for all of it i'm very confused and what they're trying to portray here you get in your car and the iphone just will do the whole car ui
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your speedometer your remaining range the rpms on your engine what drive mode you're in your calendar all the iphone stuff shows up next to it plus the normal car play stuff you're used to navigation maybe some weather some music
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there's just a lot going on it's your whole infotainment system in your car yeah it it confuses me on how it would
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work and even just like they showed this main picture where it's like a steering wheel and a screen
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stretching from literally across the entire dashboard so like theoretical car yeah it's totally
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like obviously just a render of something but and then it has a screen under it but even in this render there are things in here that to me just make
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no sense at all so like right now you have your spotify song that's playing in the front of the passenger seat and then it's like right next to your tachometer is
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like what's going on tomorrow on your calendar like i don't need to know that when i'm driving the car why is my
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spotify not like closer to me i'm sure it would all be customizable yeah but like
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just the way they're setting this up feels like i don't know i don't need two analog clocks
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in my right next to also time on my on my dashboard in the middle i don't need my calendar in the dashboard in the middle i like some of these things just feel kind of weird and super super
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distracting yeah so this this version of the ui is very like i'm cool with the car having all this information
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but i don't need it displayed all the time so when i got in my car today every time i get in my car and shift it in the
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drive the the model s automatically because i have the calendar hooked up looks at my
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calendar looks at the address of the next item in my calendar and starts navigation to that place so i got in the
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car shift in a drive it just puts me in to drive to the place i need to go which is sick so it's cool that the car knows
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what's on my calendar i just don't need it displayed prominently in the middle everywhere i go so i'm sure there's some
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customization here that's going to help this yeah and it's not going to look like this all the time but i think when i see
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this i think wow okay if i make a car what is my incentive to number one make any sort of a good infotainment system at all if people are just going to take it over that's what people are
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thinking then more power to it because like c car infotainment sucks and i'd be super into anything android or carplay
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they're bad but then it's like there will never be any competition if and if nobody ever uses
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the normal infotainment system anymore is there any competition now or is do you just get stuck with something i
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think the only reason i want competition is to give them a reason to improve over time and also because this this is
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ecosystem lock-in like if i want to use a car but i don't have an iphone i have a
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crappy car infotainment system really quickly while we're talking about ecosystem lock-in
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they set a stat during the show that was 79 of new car buyers will only buy a car if it has carplay i don't know i don't believe that no no
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in the slightest maybe in america i think almost everyone i talked to i i think i asked everybody
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i met at the event about that and all of them were like yeah they only like if you live in cupertino like those are the
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only people that 79 percent is a lot of people and definitely 79 of cars don't have
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i just look at like the tesla example which kind of breaks this right away like if the most popular new car is a
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tesla model 3 which doesn't have car play then how can you say 79 percent of people will not consider a car without
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car i'm not sure there's probably an asterisk in there but i think the point they're making is still true which is
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normal in-car infotainment systems suck so if your car supports car play we're going to use it yeah that's what we're
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going to use so if i'm if i'm mercedes ford bmw whatever um i'm not i'm not i guess there's two ways you can look at it number one i'm not hiring any more software people i'm just
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gonna make sure carplay works on my car and people will buy it and use carplay or number two oh no people without iphones are not
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gonna like using this car as much as people with iphones maybe we should make better software not sure which
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is actually gonna play out that's a good question i'm not totally sure and there's still some things where like
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i don't know how they're expecting you know like how is my iphone going to be getting i mean speed i guess makes sense
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but like how is it going to be getting um like my rpms and stuff like that i think
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the car's computer's just going to feed it to carplay it's going to feed it okay yeah just going to feed it all out i have a lot of questions about this and
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the way they showed it off felt very unbelievable like it was when everything else they can show so fluidly and when it's on all their own system when they showed this it just didn't feel
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like an announcement at an apple event it felt very hard to believe felt very often the future felt semi-vaporwearish
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because a lot of it i just couldn't wrap my head around of this ever actually happening like this picture
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that they used this looks like some ces stuff if i saw this on the cs show floor i'd be like that car is never coming to market
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that's totally fair i want to find a thing about the cars adopting it real quick
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finally the one i do remember is pulstar which we all had a laugh on because pulsar uses android automotive not even
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android auto so it's very android based but it is coming to it with i believe heyato said within a couple months car play not this like you know intense we're going to take
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over the whole car and like a hologram of craig federicki is going to point me in the direction of wherever
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i'm going but okay i found this there's an article from andy hawkins at um at the verge it's called car companies haven't figured out if they'll let apple carplay take over all of the screens
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uh so we got the big promise from apple coming to some cars late next year or something so the verge reached out to 12
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major automakers about the new car play most of them responded with some versions of sounds cool we're working on
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it but bmw said currently we have placed a clear focus on furthering and enhancing
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our idrive user interface blah blah okay toyota says we can't comment or speculate on future products at this
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time ford says thanks for reaching out about it we don't have any information to share at this time volvo at this time
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we don't have anything to share beyond that we plan to support this next generation stalantis this is more of an extension
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rather than a direct carplay upgrade we have not many made any announcements regarding that system so
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no commitments exactly here yet i don't know if they're going to make their own announcements or if they just don't want to say anything yet but it is
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fascinating that uh that decision as a car maker seems very uh up in the air this feels
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like one of the most out there announcements i've seen apple do in a very very very long time it just it
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doesn't everything they announced seems super plausible and this feels just kind of out there
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this is the easiest way to say it long way out we'll keep an eye on it all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk watch os
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got some updates not really a whole lot of major stuff i mean a little more granular activity
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tracking a little bit more stuff but i only really have one thing that i took out of the watch away yeah
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which is they still don't support group challenges nope now before everyone already starts typing because i can hear
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your keyboards already yes there are third-party apps that support multi-party fitness challenges we use
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one of them it's called challenges and it's it even supports um we've done one with like the studio and
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people who are paid members we did one of like multi-platform android and ios we all technically compete on the same
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it's multi-platform is rough but still yeah but like apple what this seems extremely easy and
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obvious and people want it just three or four people i'm sure you have a group of three friends who should be able to do
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hey we did a fitness challenge oh we also did a fitness challenge what if we all did a group fitness challenge oh
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that doesn't exist on this this thing even uh i hate to even say it but lock it in with uh
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apple fitness plus but share play share play is already a thing they're already like telling people like hey watch a
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movie together on apple's movies thing while you message each other with imac you can do the fitness plus workouts
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together like yeah literally together right now you will not do group and discussions
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i do feel like you i mean i'm that's all i was looking for on there yeah if you were a runner some of the new running
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stuff was kind of cool the intervals are good stride stride length and like intervals and pace and all this stuff so
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if your active heart rate zone was really cool i think i don't run but if you're a runner i
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think it would be really cool i think adam will be hyped for this yeah the closest we can get to intervals if you did just like back and forth intervals
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on a field it would just tell you your total running distance was like 0.1 miles unless you ran far enough past the
00:26:08
cones to the point where the gps is like oh you you've run like in a really tight circle over here yeah this is clearly
00:26:14
for like distance runners not like yeah just this is better there's some good features here i like the heart rate
00:26:20
zones i thought it was really cool yeah um mac os ventura is the new name it is do you have any feelings about the name i just think of ace ventura what why is it ventura wait
00:26:32
because it's probably a place in california i bet you a thousand dollars it's a place in california it is i just don't know about this place i just
00:26:39
googled ventura california and the like people also ask autocrack suggestions are
00:26:45
is ventura california a good place to live what is ventura california famous for how much does it cost to live in
00:26:51
ventura california is ventura california rich what percentage of in ventura california is white what is the richest
00:26:57
city in victoria california so people want to know what it's like to live there and how much it costs basically
00:27:03
um cool making a background it's not a national park though no whatever all right well
00:27:08
that's the new name it is a new os um so a lot of smaller updates and then the one big one that i was trying to figure out is stage
00:27:21
manager stage manager was the the big announcement i feel like it's a little confusing to me maybe because i don't
00:27:28
plan on using it i'm i am well seasoned with mac os i use spaces i use the system whatever control what is it called what is this thing called
00:27:39
mission control i use mission control too um so because i already use those things and i window manage very very fluently
00:27:47
already i don't see myself ever using stage manager and in this new version of mac os it is up in the options toolbar
00:27:54
where you have to turn it on so it's not a default thing that most people will just walk into like the
00:28:00
mission control button on the keyboard it's very different on the ipad it is uh for those of you who didn't see it let i'll explain it really quick um essentially what it's doing is
00:28:12
on your desktop if you have a bunch of apps open it is going to group those apps based on what they are and it's
00:28:17
going to put them on the left side of your screen so let's say you have um a bunch of photo editing apps up maybe
00:28:23
you've got like your iphoto open is it called iphoto yeah or you're maybe doing an infinity
00:28:29
photo or photoshop and then you've got photoshop so all those will be clumped together right and then like word
00:28:34
documents will be clumps uh web browsing will be clumped together and it's on the left side of your screen and if you
00:28:40
select it your most recent one will pop up and if you keep clicking through it will go through those it's just a way to organize everything pretty much yeah
00:28:47
at first when i saw this i was like this is really cool and then i started looking at twitter and seeing everyone
00:28:52
be like i don't get this this makes no sense this looks really clunky i started really thinking about it and was like
00:28:58
hmm maybe this yeah does just kind of feel like it takes up space and the best way i don't worry about it so like i use the dock to open and close apps and when i minimize an app the
00:29:10
window goes to my dock so the dock becomes kind of like a window manager yeah your dock still is up though right
00:29:16
but i also feel like i often will have like six apps open and the dock doesn't help me with that
00:29:22
so stage manager is just a way to manage your open windows and just keep one of them on stage and
00:29:29
there's other windows that are open but they're over to the side here off-screen where you can offstage stage left you
00:29:36
can't move it apparently it's never sorry stage actually yeah stage right audience your
00:29:42
left house left is that what it's called stage left we'll call brandon later it's on the left and yeah so you can you can
00:29:49
manage your open windows by clicking around and pairing things together and things like that that's that's what it does for me i i could kind of see how it
00:29:56
works well because here i'm not doing a lot of you know i'm not really video editing
00:30:02
anymore i'm not really photo editing we have some of the best people in the business doing that i'm very commonly
00:30:07
like in my email we have a bunch of different chats we have r slack we have our discord server we have all our sauna
00:30:13
stuff like that right now my desktop if you didn't know how i work on it it just looks like a mess because every window is slightly dragged a little bigger in a corner so at any point i can
00:30:25
click on a corner that i know what window it is and get to where i'm going oh so you've got like the you'll have a
00:30:31
background window but the corners sticking out i yeah because the pro display xtr is huge so i never
00:30:36
full screen anything so like if i were to try and describe how i would look at my computer right now you would see web
00:30:42
browser straight in the middle if you were to click directly under it it would be slack if
00:30:48
you were to click under that it would be discord and then on the right you can see both my asanas for vox and for the
00:30:55
thing mkbhd you have to you have to make the windows smaller as you go in some point
00:31:00
some part has to be smaller so like usually the biggest thing is what i use the most web browser slack are usually
00:31:05
the biggest discord will have like a little corner but out of all those when i click in and it comes to the front somewhere on the left probably then will
00:31:12
be the bigger window that i can go back to yeah so yeah that's a bit chaotic stage manager could help
00:31:18
it looks like it takes up a ton of space on the left though it is a good amount of space it cannot be resized maybe in
00:31:24
the future it should be i mean okay i'll describe my also i have two monitors my current my current default is
00:31:31
furthest left is my dock actually i'm a left doc person now then i have the slack window then i have spark email and
00:31:39
safari sort of like layered and then on the right i have tweetbot if it's open tasks and asana
00:31:47
and then if i'm like kind of dual researching or doing something with two safari windows i'll pop a safari window
00:31:53
out from the left and move it to the right over the top of the stuff on the side it's like it's messy and like you know when we describe where things are
00:31:59
the stage manager sounds like it makes a lot of sense yeah maybe so i'm curious if you have dual monitors what happens with stage map also if you have a left
00:32:05
side dock oh yeah like five of them if you can't change stage manager from left can you not do left side dock or are they gonna
00:32:12
double up on each other which would probably drive me insane i do need to find that out now yeah i won't figure
00:32:17
that out i'll be really interested in that so we had a little asterisk you wrote gaming question mark exclamation mark
00:32:24
i'm just going to quick rant really here really quick um they actually mentioned gaming twice in mac os and in ipad os yep
00:32:31
um oh man i really thought i was kind of excited i thought they would talk a little more about gaming it's developers
00:32:37
so i think a lot of their stuff is developing for games that a lot of it's ipad games it feels like
00:32:44
or ios games um i don't know the first gameplay footage they showed was terrible it looked awful then they started bragging about how the next big release is going to be no man's
00:32:56
sky which has been out for a few years and is like was colossally memed on as being just
00:33:02
like a pretty terrible game it had it was one of those games that had a ton of hype and then very quickly
00:33:09
died i think i looked up their player base and they're peaking around 30 000 players a month which is not good
00:33:16
i mean pubg i think at one point was peaking at over a million players at a time so very very different set of numbers um
00:33:23
so i thought it was weird that they were like bragging about no man's sky they talked about a bunch of other stuff i just don't know it that well um
00:33:31
and then there was one point where craig said a key part of the game ex the gaming
00:33:36
experience is the software that runs it and i couldn't help but thinking no craig the the biggest part of gaming
00:33:42
experience is the games like you need to have the games yeah and that's still just not a thing quite yet on mac so
00:33:50
just a little rant i was kind of excited they were going to get into gaming but they announced almost nothing i think they could have just skipped that
00:33:55
computer yeah it's kind of like the best they can do is just like put the beacon out there and like hopefully people make
00:34:01
more games for the mac and that's yeah it also was developer conference so i'm sure there are a lot of people
00:34:06
developing on mac for mac and maybe even for ipad and ios and that probably spoke way more to them
00:34:13
but as a nerd gamer i didn't get much out of it yeah that's fair um but they you know they went into
00:34:20
that then we we did get ipad os too which was a little bit more uh i actually like the reference color thing
00:34:26
so if you are a creator on the ipad which i keep saying is like a real market that's a real demographic when i
00:34:31
ask for instagram on the ipad it's not just because like oh it's not on the ipad it should be no it's because people
00:34:36
want to be able to make stuff on instagram and use that bigger screen for that but reference color mode is a sort
00:34:42
of an homage to that it's literally just having the color of the things that you export match everything else that uses
00:34:49
reference mode and anytime you want to share something with someone else using reference mode you can trust the color is going to match super cool
00:34:57
i also feel like they're listening to waveform because there's a weather app on this yeah yeah
00:35:03
people were like uh tweeting like an old waveform episode where we were talking about that still no calculator the minute they announced
00:35:10
weather i was like oh my god calculator's coming next and then i just didn't yeah um and they also had a kind
00:35:15
of cool like collaboration with facetime where you can tag people in like different collaborations and open them up in
00:35:21
facetime which kind of looked similar to something called freeform that they said they're releasing in the future which is kind of like using facetime to
00:35:28
collaborate on different projects i think the main example they showed was like a sketchbook where two people can be sketching on the same thing while
00:35:34
talking over facetime which i think seems really really interesting yeah it's pretty good and i also just like
00:35:39
that you can sort of pass off facetime calls now between devices so continuity that was cool i want to bring up continuity a little bit more after the
00:35:45
break in our interview but just the fact that you can pass off things within one account yeah that has apple id signed in
00:35:51
across them super cool i'm gonna i have to ask like what sort of processing power is going into turning the ultra wide camera from the iphone into a top-down camera that was one that i'm
00:36:02
excited for but feels like what they showed off was gonna be better than what it will be
00:36:08
like a top-down continuity camera i gotta try it i really gotta try it um but either way that's that's pretty
00:36:14
much the software stuff we're gonna talk hardware after the break macbook air macbook pro but also just like the new
00:36:21
m2 world and what's going on in apple silicon world so so yeah let's go ahead and take a quick break and come back and get into that
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00:37:36
2022 it's post wwdc we've got some new stuff to talk about so first of all thank you gentlemen for joining me
00:37:43
it's our pleasure yeah it's awesome to do it two years in a row can't can't wait to continue the streak yeah so i
00:37:49
i've got so many questions and i'm glad i have you guys here but i guess the the best way to start this section would just be to go over
00:37:54
m2 so we finally have this beginning of a second generation of apple silicon maybe you can give me the bite-sized and you know there's some numbers and some things people should know about but the bite-sized what's new in m2 for this new
00:38:08
chip so let me let me kick it off and i'll give you a quick overview obviously what we're doing with m2 fundamentally is we're building on that amazing baseline that we we introduced uh with
00:38:20
m1 and with m1 i feel like what we were able to do for apple was to deliver a chip that enabled apple to really uh
00:38:27
to achieve the vision that the mac laptops have always wanted to drive and change and reset the bar on expectations for users about what it means to use a laptop laptops that are
00:38:39
high performance don't need to be loud they don't need to be hot they don't need to have short battery life and so
00:38:45
with m1 we were able to deliver on all of those things so now with our m1 laptops we folks have been super happy
00:38:51
with laptops that are quiet laptops that last amazingly for a long time and they don't
00:38:57
get hot when there's when you're sitting in your lap and they're performing they do really fast things so what do we do with m2 well we did more of the same and
00:39:04
we boosted up performance in super meaningful ways so first of all we can talk about the cpu
00:39:10
uh we as you know we have our performance cores and our and our energy efficient cores we boosted both of them
00:39:15
the efficiency core is 20 to 25 percent the performance core is up by 18 and more depending on the workflow that
00:39:21
you're doing we talked about 18 in the in the keynote you remember yep uh the graphics we did a very nice bump we
00:39:27
moved from 8 cores to 10 cores what does that allow us to do obviously the peak performance range goes up because we can
00:39:33
now fire on those gpus you get those extra cores running for you but in addition you can take those 10
00:39:39
cores and spread them out and run them at a lower voltage which means that you can actually deliver more performance uh
00:39:45
than m1 could at the same power envelope so you can achieve higher peak performance at potentially higher power
00:39:51
for a larger enclosure like like the uh the macbook pro 13 but even in the macbook air that brand
00:39:58
new machine that we introduced you can deliver more performance with the 10 core uh inside that thin and light
00:40:03
enclosure because the 10 core gpu can run more efficiently right obviously the neural engine you heard
00:40:09
about that 40 bump uh that's super meaningful as we expand our use and applications embrace the new machine
00:40:15
learning programming paradigm but really one of the biggest things we did was around our unified memory system
00:40:22
for m2 as you remember m1 we introduced the unified memory system it was a great
00:40:27
68 gigabyte per second lpddr4 memory system when we transitioned m2 we brought that entry-level new m2 the family chip up to lpddr5 much like our
00:40:38
m1 pro m1 max and ultra were already that boosted our bandwidth up to 100 gigabytes per second and because we switched to lpddr5 we could increase the density uh without
00:40:52
increasing the form factor so we were able to move from a 16 gigabyte max capacity up to 24 gigabytes of max
00:40:59
capacity just by transitioning the drams maintaining that really thin and light profile for those those really important
00:41:05
thin and light laptops yeah yeah there's a lot of good stuff i mean the numbers of course sound great
00:41:11
because the m1 chip was already so good and i was recommending it to a lot of people and it's already so capable
00:41:16
so i'm curious now talking to you when you said m1 allowed you to sort of unlock what you really imagined laptops
00:41:24
could be you know high performance quiet and things like that how did you think about okay now we're going to finally
00:41:30
improve upon ourselves and we have a bunch of things we can do with m2 how would you think about what to improve
00:41:35
about m2 is it just hey the tech is better we can throw more cores at it everything gets better across the board
00:41:40
or were there things that you were focusing on that you know you know what we want to do really well here graphics is one thing we want to focus on
00:41:47
i think i think you're right on the point graphics was a big deal i think we felt really strong about what we did
00:41:53
with m1 but we saw the response to the bigger machines that we were able to build and we thought you know what
00:41:58
with some changes in the gpu architecture the addition of course of the two cores plus some features that we
00:42:05
added plot we had you know we did that but in concert we know that we can't improve gpu by
00:42:12
itself in isolation we have to expand the memory bandwidth because the gpu lives on that memory bandwidth there's
00:42:18
no point putting more compute in if you don't follow it up with more memory bandwidth and so that combination of the
00:42:24
two is probably the the biggest target that we said so you saw that we did increase the number of transistors in m2
00:42:31
on our on that second generation uh uh five nanometer process that we used in m1
00:42:38
but many of those transistors ended up there they ended up in that gpu they ended up in that extra memory system and they
00:42:44
ended up in some very targeted performance enhancements for the cpu and the neural engine and other places
00:42:50
in addition to that by the way the response to prores we introduced prores of course pros capture on our in
00:42:55
our iphone 13 pro we wanted to make sure we had we had that prores acceleration lined up for the for the macbook air
00:43:02
because we know a lot of people are shooting now in that format uh consumers are shooting in the prores format now
00:43:08
and what a perfect way to complement that with this new macbook air so m2 introduced that accelerator that was in
00:43:14
the uh m1 pro max and ultra yeah and i love seeing that because i work with perez a lot as you can imagine
00:43:20
um but i think that's a great actually a jumping off point i wanted to touch on there was this feature that you guys
00:43:25
showed at the keynote it was i'm trying to remember it's called continuity camera where the iphone
00:43:32
can flip around and sit right on top of the macbook or any mac i suppose and be its webcam and the part that blew my
00:43:38
mind was that the ultrawide camera can be used as a separate feed where the sort of bottom of the frame is distorted and then flipped around and
00:43:49
processed somehow to be this clean nice little top down desk view i have yet to try it i want to give it a
00:43:55
shot in the beta but can you tell me can you on can you peel back the curtain a little bit about how that's possible is
00:44:00
the processing power coming from the iphone there from the mac is it both how did you pull this off
00:44:06
well and before we get into that i think the the point that that's critical is that
00:44:11
the way with even with all of that you know uh incredible capability that we have on on the mac uh obviously with the
00:44:19
iphone we have invested in these incredible camera systems and what we wanted to do was to be able to bring the
00:44:24
best camera that you're carrying with you and bring it into the mac experience just just as fully and so desk view
00:44:31
which is the feature you're talking about is great but there are also some other modes um that you know like studio
00:44:37
lighting effects etc that we're bringing to the to the mac for the for the first time so it was really about you know yes
00:44:43
make bringing all of this you know great processing power but also making it just incredibly seamless and easy for
00:44:49
consumers to use so that it's you know it's wireless it happens automatically it senses when the camera is in the
00:44:55
right place and then kind of works works from there but then the tech behind it tim is pretty phenomenal
00:45:02
absolutely and and as you can imagine if you're an apple developer software developer and even a third-party
00:45:07
developer uh the fact that we now uh and you and the fact that you're asking this question i think is awesome because
00:45:13
uh you're not sure uh and and the point is uh they have flexibility now uh they can write algorithms in a very common way across all apple silicon because these building blocks that we
00:45:25
use in ships like m2 are the same kind of building blocks that we use almost exactly the same style scaled a little
00:45:31
bit differently but the programming model is the same as the ones we put on our a15 bionic and so
00:45:36
when you uh when you're trying to work out a complicated scheme like this you're leveraging a mix of both uh
00:45:43
you're leveraging the best of both so you're using the iphone's mass massive compute capability and the image
00:45:49
processing capability and the neural engine and the gpu there but for things that you wanted that
00:45:54
makes sense to do and expand with where you're expanding it out for the for the mac experience you have this other
00:46:00
engine that's sitting on the other side that's able to do again augment uh the thing so it really is this combination
00:46:06
of the two and i think that's a really great example of the uh the potential that apple
00:46:11
silicon provides when we have it across the entire product line not just for the mac but for the ipad
00:46:17
and the and the phone and in fact it's it's a great extension of all the other continuity features that i think people
00:46:23
have come to love and and use whether it's continuity copy copy and paste or any of the other things and and again
00:46:29
like tim says it is just part of our philosophy that we want all of these things to just kind of work
00:46:35
magically seamlessly easily together and to bring the best of whatever you know whatever uh technology product that you
00:46:42
have in in front of you so i think it's going to be it's it's going to be amazing and can't wait for you to give it a shot the the other the other detail
00:46:48
i just want to mention this is and this is an important part of the apple silicon story as well is when we are when we are using our chips
00:46:55
on both ends of of this kind of a continuity experience we know the security of the of the information is
00:47:02
safe because we are encrypting this data carefully between in the transfers especially when we have continuity
00:47:08
features that use wireless we make sure we have secure enclaves in every one of these parts and so from that perspective
00:47:14
we're also paying close attention to making sure none of this data is leaking out nobody can be sniffing and
00:47:20
potentially tapping into some of your camera streams yeah it's actually a really interesting point i think when a lot of people
00:47:25
looked at apple silicon coming to mac you know the obvious story was optimization and performance but i think
00:47:31
now just looking at you know apple's ecosystem of products all working sort of on the same i'll put architecture and
00:47:39
air quotes i feel like that helps yeah with like you said with security um but with the things talking to each
00:47:44
other more efficiently and being able to sort of unlock new features like this this continuity camera feature
00:47:51
absolutely i think the other place you see it um is in gaming um and one of the things that you know we announced this year at dub dub was uh some you know aaa
00:48:01
titles coming to to the mac uh in a in a really incredible way and when you talk to those developers and you talk to the
00:48:07
developer community the thing that has convinced them to come across is not only the great you know uh game
00:48:13
platforms and software that they can write uh right on but also the fact that they can now address this incredible
00:48:19
range of products from you know iphone all the way to ipad with m where um m1 and then all of the mac family has incredible graphics performance they've got a common target that they can write
00:48:31
their you know their rendering engines for um it really has kind of changed the game that you have continuity of
00:48:37
experience but you also have a continuity of a development platform um and i think you know that that's just going to benefit everybody yeah it's a
00:48:45
www.dc special i think i guess let's talk about the new mac so we got the new m2 chips of course
00:48:50
right but we also got two new machines uh that will have the chips in them so macbook air
00:48:56
and macbook pro macbook air i got to spend some time with it's got this whole redesign it looks a lot like
00:49:03
a baby version of the macbook pro that i'm using right now it's got the same general aesthetic
00:49:08
um but a lot of really interesting things a better display you've got the the numpad at the top or sorry the uh
00:49:14
the function row at the top all these things um i'm curious with the macbook pro it didn't get any
00:49:21
of these updates but it still has a touch bar it's still got some other features people are familiar with with the new m2 chip who do you imagine each
00:49:27
of these machines being for the macbook air we sort of know is the most popular laptop in the world and then who is this
00:49:34
macbook pro for yeah and as yeah just follow up the 13-inch macbook pro is the second most
00:49:40
popular laptop and that design has been has been beloved and and there are lots of great
00:49:46
things that people love about that uh about the design that we wanted it to carry through i think the main
00:49:52
distinguishing feature uh between the two is that the 13-inch macbook pro has an active cooling system and that active cooling system is important in a particular set of use
00:50:04
cases and workloads where it's a more sustained performance that you need to have
00:50:09
and so if you've got work that requires that macbook pro is is an amazing product um if you have a more general purpose kind of uh set of use cases um
00:50:21
and and it's a work set of workloads that are maybe a little more bursty the macbook air has got you know an amazing
00:50:28
new design it's got mag safe it's got all sorts of great uh great components to it as well so in reality you know we
00:50:34
wanted to continue to provide as much choice as we possibly can to our customers but we think that the macbook pro is
00:50:41
going to you know is going to really provide that that performance advantage for sustained workloads that'll be
00:50:47
attractive to to some some users but the macbook air is going to just be phenomenal i think for for people who are looking for an amazing amazingly capable and versatile
00:50:58
machine tim i don't know how did you think about it i think that you covered that really well i think the when we're designing
00:51:05
chips like m2 we are keeping in mind that we're trying to hit a range uh we know that the uh obviously the
00:51:12
macbook air and the redesign this is a fantastic new product and that was squarely in our focus i mean but we have
00:51:18
we we do make sure that in that in our ability to scale up that we can fill up the box we can fill
00:51:25
up that macbook pro with the 13-inch active cooling system uh the interesting thing is uh we don't
00:51:32
run m2 at different operating points necessarily because sometimes the macbook air and the macbook pro will
00:51:38
have the same performance and it depends on the type of workload in those bursty cases macbook air gets
00:51:43
all the performance m2 can deliver we don't hold back but for the sustained workloads and this is where it really matters if you're a
00:51:50
pro and you really need consistency you need really need a frame rate to be solid and stable throughout and you have
00:51:55
very heavy workload uh something that hasn't hasn't triggered you to go up to the you know the m1 pro based machines
00:52:02
you're thinking hey this 13-inch pro actually hits a really nice sweet spot for folks who are doing a little bit
00:52:08
more than just light work that said macbook air is capable of doing a lot of really super interesting
00:52:14
things and playing games and so it's it's subtle but i do think that there is a place where a pro user is going to
00:52:20
feel more confidence with that macbook pro and the active cooling system they're going to be able to get that guaranteed sustained uh performance yeah
00:52:28
yeah i think our testing will eventually sort of sort of peel apart the two and figure out where the workflows separate
00:52:34
themselves and what type of user is going to want to go with the m2 macbook pro but we also kept the m1 macbook air in
00:52:42
the lineup too so now you have sort of this choice of 999 base m1 macbook air but that's the older design versus the m2 macbook air um i'm curious is there any extra thought into into leaving the
00:52:54
m1 in the lineup versus just leaving the m2 as the baseline that everyone starts with
00:52:59
yeah i mean i think as you look at it the m1 the original m1 macbook air is is still an incredible
00:53:06
machine and the performance uh as tim talked about is is still you know uh incredibly competitive and we felt you know we wanted to be able to continue to put macbook
00:53:18
air in as many people's hands and offices and desks um as we as we possibly could and so having that entry
00:53:25
uh product uh you know in that 9.99 price point is is incredibly important um and give people an opportunity and a choice then to to move up and when you look at
00:53:35
education for example where that entry m1 uh macbook air is is 8.99 um it's a really it's really important to us to be able to give people uh choice and and frankly these systems are are both
00:53:49
incredible um and so whether you're at the original m1 macbook air or the m2 macbook or air or the m2 macbook pro we feel like there's just a great set of
00:54:00
options for people at great value each with each price point for sure uh let me see here i've got a couple more nuanced questions that i wanna i think
00:54:14
okay i'm gonna just ask i know i'm probably not gonna get a straightforward answer because it's a future products question but let me just toss it out
00:54:19
there anyway um we have an m1 chip in an ipad and a mac mini i imagine those will also get m2s but you can tell me
00:54:31
yeah we aren't going to comment on you know products that we haven't announced because frankly we've got so much great
00:54:37
news about products that we that we just announced but i think what you're you know what you're seeing from us is this
00:54:43
kind of relentless drive to bring the most performance and the most capability uh to every product and platform that that we possibly can and you know we're not standing still i mean just look at
00:54:55
the time frame between m1 and m2 really unheard of in in in many circles but we want to continue to drive and move that move that forward as as fast as we can um and so that's why it was so
00:55:08
great to be able to bring in the m2 into the macbook air and the 13-inch macbook pro and and i you know the other thing i
00:55:15
want to highlight it you know i'm a chip guy but working at apple we we are guided by the
00:55:21
product and you know it isn't that we're building chips so that we can spin them and sell these chips we're we're we're
00:55:28
building these chips in concert with our with our product teams who have a vision for a product like this macbook air i
00:55:34
think is a perfect example why did we release m2 now because we have this product that's just lined up and is
00:55:40
perfect i mean can't imagine a better product to to motivate a new a new chip design to be able to give folks the confidence that you're buying not only this amazing new form factor uh this new
00:55:51
rethinking of a product but you're getting the latest tech you're getting the most cutting edge advanced technology you can buy with confidence
00:55:58
knowing that you're going to be able to survive you're going to be able to live with this great machine for a long time and and so it's always about the product
00:56:04
that's the motivator it isn't like okay well it's january let's build a new chip no we're working with the product teams
00:56:10
to try to figure out what is the new vision what is the new challenge you want us to tackle yeah i think the point you make about the fact that you make
00:56:17
that chip for this product and not to sell like you know there might be an i3 or an i5 out there somewhere that's a
00:56:23
pretty good chip but it could appear in any number of different form factors and it kind of has to be built with that in mind and it might be good for some of
00:56:29
them versus specifically going okay we have this machine we'd like to build here's what we want to make a chip for obviously apple silicon was in the works for a long time for the mac are there
00:56:40
any surprises now that you're on the second generation that have sort of revealed themselves to
00:56:46
you anything that surprised you as you sort of took on this challenge to make a chip for your own machine
00:56:54
you know it's it's a good question we've been doing this like you said we've been doing chip design at apple
00:56:59
now for a long time um and uh you know starting with the phone and so our team has gotten into a very good groove and we've gotten and we grew up we grew up with this methodology of
00:57:11
building with the product teams and the phone was such a great product to start with because the constraints
00:57:16
were ridiculous a touch screen ui is completely unforgiving you don't you know if you touch an
00:57:22
object or scroll and it doesn't respond in real time you've failed and so that in combination with the ridiculous constraints it's thin and light and has battery life requirements that you got
00:57:33
to make it through the day people are going to complain your mother is going to complain if your phone doesn't make it through the day this is the pressure
00:57:39
our team is under and so uh this there was the training this was what we went through for for years and
00:57:45
years and years and then as we as we started to get more capable and build more more capable compute engines
00:57:50
through the ipad and the ipad pro it became very clear to us that hey we can tackle this we this the mac is within
00:57:56
reach and uh so you know to some degree i think we we approached the mac in a very confident way we were not taken by surprise in in too many things there were challenges obviously um uh you know
00:58:11
there the mac was was different beast it's running different software that users have different expectations we had
00:58:16
to make sure and prove all those things were right and i think for the most part we've nailed it i think the one thing that took many of us by surprise
00:58:24
not not for good reasons but the the just the sheer delight that customers uh the response from the customers when they got their hands on the machines the m1 based machines they took me a little bit by surprise
00:58:35
i'm like oh my gosh because even when i used it i was surprised and and i shouldn't have been right i shouldn't have been surprised
00:58:41
that my macbook air uh 13 was or my macbook pro 13 was going to last battery life all day and that he didn't
00:58:48
but we we all got trained we all learned that you know you have to stay close to the charger we all learned that oh if
00:58:54
you want performance you got to live with hot loud machines uh so anyway i think if we were
00:59:00
surprised at all we were surprised perhaps by how fundamental the work we did in combination with the system and
00:59:05
software teams reset the bar for what it meant to to use a computer like a like a macbook pro or macbook air and i think
00:59:12
one of the most surprising things when we talk about the mac is that we remind people it's a 38 39 year old product
00:59:19
line and it is never stronger it's never been stronger um and it you know we're still
00:59:26
bringing many many people for the first time to mac and they're just discovering it so i think the thing that's most
00:59:32
surprising when you reflect on it is just how transformative apple silicon has been
00:59:38
in making the mac brand new again and kind of really giving it kind of this this this rocket
00:59:44
launch um and for a 38 39 year old business that's pretty darn impressive yeah so i'll leave you i'll i'll end with this and this is maybe i'll i'll let you flex a little bit so
00:59:56
you mentioned the the the macbook air is the most popular laptop on the planet the macbook pro is the second most popular laptop on the planet is there a breakdown that you can
01:00:07
share of like just like how how many people versus the macbook air versus macbook pro are
01:00:14
buying each one and do you expect that to change with apple silicon with m2 is it just continue to make them both better how do you think about those two being massive
01:00:25
yeah i think um just to be clear it's the uh the second best-selling uh laptop is the 13-inch mac 13-inch um and then
01:00:32
obviously we've got any probably the strongest lineup of max that we have have ever had going you know going
01:00:37
across the the entire range and and really the thing we end up focusing on as much as anything else is
01:00:44
just what can our what can our users our developers um all of the folks that we work with what can they do with with these systems and how can we get them into more and more people's hands so
01:00:56
it's less about looking back and saying here's what we did it's more about looking forward and saying what is
01:01:02
possible and that's the thing that i think we're we're most focused on we're most excited about
01:01:08
and you know part of the reason why it was so great to get together with all of our developer community here and to introduce new hardware was just to kind
01:01:14
of unleash people's imagination uh so we tend to spend more of our time looking forward as to what's possible and you
01:01:20
know couldn't be more excited that you know the the sign of the times is that people are going out and investing in in
01:01:27
max and you know we just want to continue to drive that that momentum forward for sure
01:01:33
awesome well this has been fun i appreciate the little peek behind the curtain on uh some of the apple silicon
01:01:38
stuff and i can't wait to get my hands on it i'm definitely gonna be testing it so thanks again
01:01:44
enjoy good thank you thank you thanks appreciate it sparkles take care bye bye-bye all right so that was a fun
01:01:50
little conversation always a fun time to get a little appreciated behind the curtains so shout out to them for spending the time uh on the podcast
01:01:57
uh i think what we wanted to do was just remember the question we asked at the beginning actually yeah i think it was
01:02:03
has ios caught up to android in terms of personalization yeah i think we could do a whole hour on that exactly let's do a quick one but to quickly summarize i think in some
01:02:16
aspects there's like a quality versus quantity slider and android world quantity is off the charts and quality is middling where on iphone land
01:02:27
quality is very high and quantity is middling that's my overall assessment i think they've they've caught up in average because there is actually real options
01:02:39
now widgets on the lock screen widgets on the home screen a whole bunch of custom settings and things like that but that's the way i see it i'll say no
01:02:46
because i won't agree that it's caught up until i can have like a completely blank home screen without a million
01:02:51
folders and stuff like that i know there's a million people who say you can do it like this i just want to be able to have it don't sure don't hack it up
01:02:58
totally fair you could probably argue right now lock screen is more customizable than android some yeah potentially i think
01:03:05
maybe everyone does a million things with android but yeah not quite caught up looking forward to it but it's good to
01:03:11
see that's the competition i like to see android's gonna take some stuff from iphone iphone's gonna take some stuff from android everybody's getting better
01:03:17
that's a win for all of us and so is this podcast it's a win for all it is it really is thank you i appreciate that
01:03:23
yeah it's a good place to end it appreciate you guys joining this week we'll have a lot more to talk about next week but stay tuned to the channel for the videos of course and the hands-on
01:03:29
with the macbook pro should also be live by the time macbook air should also be live by the time this podcast is up so
01:03:34
stay tuned for that cool okay that's it thanks for watching and listen talk to you guys next week
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