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all right welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and well if you're watching the video
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version straight up this is going to look a little bit different because we're in a different place if you're listening to the audio version it
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probably is going to sound a little different too yeah probably so it's because we're in a car we are in a car and today we're here in
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the new refreshed tesla model s the plaid version and we're just gonna be talking about it
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in in our extended thoughts like the hopefully by now ideally the the first impressions video
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is out been working on that for a couple days but obviously that's so produced and people have all these questions about
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all these little things and this is your first time being in the car for an extended period of time like looking around it
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so uh i'm gonna try to answer as many possible questions about every little thing as
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i can we are working on a review of the car later i should make that clear there's a much bigger full review of the model s
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and kind of like all of tesla's coming up in the next couple weeks but this is a flagship car and it's
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pretty exciting so we get to we get to get into all the little details of it where do you want to start because you're in the front seat i'm in the
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front seat adam's between us in the back seat you might have questions too so what do we what do we want to start with
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so i feel like there's a yoke in front of me but it won't go anywhere there's a little context here i i dropped him you off to pick this up
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on friday and i basically opened the door and left because my theory was this week's
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podcast was going to be kind of like my raw impressions on it where you've been driving it now for a couple days
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um for much longer than most people drive in five days yeah i feel like i kind of did this when
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i first got apollo actually immediately that weekend i had a ultimate tournament
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in like southern new jersey and the first thing i did was taking on a big road trip so i really got to know the car and the
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same exact thing happened with this car where friday picked up the car
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uh saturday had an audl frisbee game in boston or at least we
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were supposed to it got rained out but nevertheless immediately got in this car
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and drove it 300 miles to boston and 300 miles back in the same day so right off the bat i get i get
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everything i get super charging i get parking i get driving i get highway i get yolk i get like the full in-depth first
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impressions um so now at this point i have almost 900 miles on the car it's uh at the time of recording it's been
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probably like five days now and i'm i'm feeling like pretty well acclimated which is i'm saying this
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because there are things you kind of have to learn about this car again this is sort of a tesla thing as there's things you need
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to learn about the car to use it well but i feel like i'm pretty pretty well into that now
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yeah let me start off with my first thought here i am not so when i say i'm not a fan of
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white interiors i say that as not that i don't think they look good i say that as i could never have one because as
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adorable as mac is yes uh he is he is an expert at making
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everything disgusting so i do not think this would last his nails are very long too so even leather is kind of tough but um mac
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would destroy this car but sitting in here i do really like the white interior and i think part of the
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reason i like that so much is because it's not as much as i thought yeah there's i
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have a lot of thoughts a lot of things there already okay number one white interior i've had the white interior with the last car
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i have it again it's this white fake leather vegan leather technically since it's not real leather
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um the the idea came from sitting in a couple other
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model s's with white and then john rettinger who has multiple kids and a dog firmly
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recommended to me that these were super easy to clean and he totally recommended them so when he
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with kids and a dog told me that the white interior was a go that's when i was like all right i'll
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give it a shot it's it's been great the one thing you might have to think about
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is if you wear denim a lot you can like have that rub off onto this like you know fake leather
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and these are new ventilated seats which the last white seats i had weren't ventilated so there's all these pores in
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the seats and i'm curious if that's gonna become a new source of like catching dust or dirt or whatever i
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don't know yet but sure a bit but white interior for me other than that has been great the
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inside of the car looks better i think there's a carbon fiber accent which you can you can choose wood or carbon fiber i feel like that's
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a no-brainer well for me anyway and uh yeah and then there's this contrast and the fit and finish and
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everything i think it looks great black and white so here's my uh the pores i actually think give it kind of like
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literally without even the venting part give it kind of like a design it looks kind of nice almost like a
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two-tone with it which i think is kind of cool yeah um i do think so carbon fiber on
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the white looks nice my only my one issue here is if i'm looking at the door i'm looking at a
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straight black plastic into a black leather with stitching into a charcoal
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fabric into white leather into silver into carbon into black plastic again that feels like a little
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too much i know what's funny about that like so many cars so many people look at this car and go wow it's so plain it's
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so minimal there's nothing here and then you look at some of the other luxury cars and it's it's what you just
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described it's metal leather chrome like every other thing next to each other
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and i think this is kind of a nice in between like a lot of the changes basically that
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i've noticed with the interior and just the general theme with this car is a lot of small changes add up to a big
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change and this like new set of materials and general fit and finish while it is
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still pretty minimal to your point it is another extra material and it is just a
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little bit more than before and so i think that's probably striking but you know you sit in a
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an rs7 or a tie can or an eqs and you're gonna have like nine
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materials in a row all next to each other in different designs and stuff so i kind of like that this is a little bit
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in between those two i think i would have just ditched the like linen aspect right here i think it doesn't fit with the like sharpness like if i look at the
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center console it's a really nice like it's got black leather black carbon the
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little silver trim which i think looks great with the white and black and then white leather but adding this like fifth or whatever
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texture on here if this was just this the like top black plastic that's pretty thing i think that would have
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looked a bit cleaner but i mean like we're really really pulling the strings here i notice there's a
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speaker behind uh the front here so this is all this is all fabric but the front
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so there's a big speaker in the bottom of the door the side of the door speaker here speaker here speaker here
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there's a lot going on generally though i really dig the inside i like it a lot i like i like this uh vertical screen much more
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than the uh sorry i enjoy this horizontal screen much better than the vertical one in your last one
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i never drove the model s before but it felt like a lot of looking really far down like almost like if you
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were putting your phone in your cup holder for for people who don't own something like that and looking down there but i guess
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that's the bottom and not anything too important but now that so much is part of this screen
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like so many controls are in here this needs to be close to you even more than before okay let me talk about the middle of this car
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yeah the middle of this car right all pretty much every previous tesla
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because there's no engine and like a crankshaft and drivetrain transmission in the middle it's always been just wide
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open and they kind of let you figure out what you want to do on the inside there was cup holders before but there was just
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a bunch of air and storage in the middle of the car and that's the number one thing i always noticed as i get in a gas
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car and wow there's just this big tunnel in the middle of the car taking up space
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and they brought that back in this car which i was like okay it's interesting but they still arranged it in a way
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where there's a lot of nice storage there's cupholders there's like magnets and bits that fold back and expose more
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storage and yeah it's all very nicely organized and there's a wireless charger up front here and then more under the armrest and
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there's magnets now so everything's yeah that was always that was that the model s where like it was
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very hard to shut that or is that model three models yes so i i'm actually fine with this tunnel
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because it it does seem very functional but i have a couple quirks about that that i got to mention because i was
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i've watched like every video on the internet of this car the number one thing that got mentioned or at least was on
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tesla's website is the screen was supposed to tilt oh it doesn't and i keep hearing in
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other videos oh it's coming with a software update i don't know how that's gonna work i don't even know if that's true
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i just keep hearing it i know we like to say software update a lot but that feels like a hardware thing i'm
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trying to look really closely it there might be a little bit of clearance is it supposed to tilt up or down
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i don't know and what it is i think it's supposed to tilt towards the driver if i was like oh like swing out
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like right to left yeah so if i'm sitting at a charge or watching a movie and there's nobody in the seat next to me i'll watch it
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tilted towards me i mean i don't know maybe that they could put something in the software to control it and there's
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an arm system behind there that we can't see but i wouldn't call that a software update i guess it is but
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yeah a lot that's a lot i guess that would be cool yeah it would be cool if it works i just i want a nice spot i want to make it
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clear that it definitely doesn't tilt right now okay second thing between the wireless chargers
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and the storage there's actually this little slot right here and it doesn't look that it
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doesn't seem that big of a deal but there is a little bit of a slot and we'll try to show some footage of this
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but the day i got this car is it's a new car you pick up you get this little temporary registration that's just this
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little slot matter of fact let me show you this slot can you well i i can just use my like
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describe that your registration yeah this is a registration right it's a little it's a piece of paper and this literally i just i got it from
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the guy sitting next to me showing me the car and i was like oh cool and i just put it right here and it slid underneath completely
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and disappeared behind the wireless charger now when that happened i was like oh um
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okay i guess i just lost the temporary registration luckily i only i only need it for a
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month or whatever i just don't get pulled over for a month because you don't have the registration i guess it's just disappeared into the
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center console um a couple miles later
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i'm uh on the highway on the way to boston i might have accelerated pretty hard
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this car can do that and it literally spit out the paper like your seat and it flew into the back seat
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and i had the registration back i'm going to so you told this story to us and i
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imagined like that seems super accidental uh like you know definitely an issue like
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it's one of those things where even if it is really accidental if you're losing something like a bank card or your driver's license and
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they're like that's bad and it's the center console like people are gonna put stuff on here and it's going to slide down the hill underneath
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it they should they should just put like a little little seal right underneath it so what i want to say is coming in here this
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feels like it could happen very commonly so first of all not only is this gap very big i'm
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putting a credit card in here and with my thumb under it is still completely fitting underneath it so like it could easily fit any type of
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credit card even if you have like one of those really nice metal like an apple cart would slide in there and go through a drive-through
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you pay you get your food you get your card back they're handing you the food you put it down here for a second you grab the food
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it just slid under the thing and then the thing under with that also is like the the piece of the center console in
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front of that gap is literally angled down to the gap so like this feels especially if you had a heavy
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card if you put it on here it would probably slide right there and now your credit card is just in your center console so tesla if
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you're listening if you you know tesla does make adjustments to cars as they build them it's not like this is
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a flaw of every car for the for the next five years of model s they can tomorrow add that seal if they
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want to yeah super simple rubber seal it'll fit perfectly with all of it i'm assuming my guess is there's not much of there
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because like the the top of the center console that slides forward is super fluid and my guess is they don't
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have anything there because of the fact just like put some brushes there i like this a lot i'm
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gonna try and explain this for the audio listeners so the the center console you open it up and it reveals two cup
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holders and then also reveals a nice tray tray which then also under that tray you have more storage but
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when you put this the sliding mechanism all the way forward it locks when you come back and let it go it
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stops to leave the cup holders open and then you can do it again and it'll go all the way shut so you have no center
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all you have is a nice slope to lose your credit card yeah that'll definitely be in the impressions of a nice touch
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yeah that's a really nice little touch i like that a lot and then this is uh there's a pretty deep storage in the center here too does that go all the way
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for no it's not no no but there's that would be actually really annoying an adjustment the previous spot that you
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would put your usb flash drive for your dash cam in sentry mode would be
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in here yeah that was that now it's inside the glove box that's much
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nicer and it comes with a console so i'll open it again so you can
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see see this touch screen oh i'm too tall oh right there it's just built in okay that's good but if you're one of
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those people like me who just jams everything in your glove box i would probably snap that right off the right now it's not a big glove box uh
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yeah but when i'm shoving all my taco bell napkins for when i have to blow my nose on the highway like i would probably
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snap that off but um yeah so before we move from the like center console you
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were talking about how like gas powered cars are usually ones with the bigger the biggest center console do
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you remember the uh the not fisker what was the what's their
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new name now the karma the karma karma rivero do you remember that center console
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massive it literally went took it took the back seat there wasn't a center back because i think it was the
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battery was so big right yeah or that's just where they decided to put it that was ridiculous i like this new
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center this is nice i like this a lot i do wish uh you know maybe don't wish but sometimes
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it's nice when you have you have like a underneath the center console kind of between the feet of the driver and
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passenger has like a pathway through it that would be kind of nice sometimes it's nice to just put something down though that's easy to grab
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um but other than that i really dig it yeah there is also now uh door storage there was no door
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storage in any previous model s or x so now there's a cup holders in the door too
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adam you're in the back seat and you're in the middle so you have this new uh
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center touch screen now my hot take maybe it's not a hot take but my take from my impressions initially is
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that center screen is maybe the most over hyped or overrated feature like in a hundred thousand
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dollar car obviously you should have backseat air conditioner control yes um
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you have that now you have backseat media control but tesla was like oh you can play games on this you can watch
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videos back here in theater mode looking at that screen would you want to watch a video on that
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absolutely not no yeah i i feel like i feel like i'd get a car sick just looking down at it
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it's not it's not a huge screen and it's kind of far away and you're craning your neck down this is it's just gonna teach all of our kids to have the worst posture ever
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if you're watching videos on that or i can just imagine like three kids back there trying to watch it and the poor middle kid has to put his knees in a
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really awkward position because the other two can't see over it i'm always that poor middle kid
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yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't put too much talk i mean it is nice to have it exists and you can change your air
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conditioner controls and the ac is pretty sweet and there's two usb-c ports is that right um yep i see two i think
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yeah so you can charge stuff in the back seat but also the back seat middle pops down
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to be an arm rest with two more wireless chargers and some more storage which is covered
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and has a magnet we just have cup holders yep okay good okay you have to hit the
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button behind the seat right in the middle yeah so it's like locked which is actually nice so it doesn't come down
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by accident and then there's another latch in the middle you have to squeeze yeah and there's storage two wireless
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chargers and two cup holders that's pretty nice i was almost wondering if we were getting to the point in time where we
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value wireless chargers over cup holders um and if you had to pick right now cup
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holder or wireless charger i would i would pick wireless charger and i really like these and i almost
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always have my phone up there now just because it has whatever maps app or waze or navigation or whatever's there
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media um meaning music i'm not watching videos while driving uh but yeah no i i don't need that many
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many cup holders some people are like really into cup holders there's like a doug demiro cup holder
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count sometimes oh yeah it's the subaru ascent i'm pretty sure it has like 19. somewhere i think that was just
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because the subaru sense not the most um like exciting car in the world so
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that was kind of like his his one good thing how bad
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oh you can turn that out from the back all right beautiful beautiful touch screen controls back there just yeah i
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just played glass oh yeah you can watch videos on the screen it's a little like frame ratey
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oh yeah that does that looks choppy it's using the car's lte connection i wouldn't i wouldn't want to do that
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all the time but yeah that's so yeah i like the middle of the car um
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the other one thing i haven't seen or haven't gotten to work that doesn't exist in this car yet is active noise
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cancellation that's another thing that i keep hearing is going to be a software update sounds great we'll see if it ever
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happens but there are definitely more speakers in this car and there are mics and i could i could believe that there
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could be active noise cancellation in this car in the future but i'll say right now the passive noise
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isolation in the cabin is really good it's the best they've ever made in tesla and i'd say it's comparable to any other luxury car at
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this point which is awesome really all you hear when you're driving is either your media or like tire noise wind noise basically yeah i
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wish we had active noise cancellation for this podcast episode but uh yeah i guess not i mean you probably heard like one truck drive literally
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10 feet from this car which is gonna make it through if you're driving on the highway but yeah i think it's pretty good all right
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so i think we have to get to the the elephant in the room what's the elephant in the room i don't
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know what you're talking about sitting right in front of you it's the steering wheel
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i think we should probably start talking about it now because it's going to take 90 of this episode so let's let's go
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what i don't even you just did just accidentally press the button just try just uh touch it i hit the brakes so i can move it no this is okay
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this is the yoke this is the steering wheel um okay i have some
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like mixed thoughts on it i really liked tesla's last wheel actually
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and the reason i like the last wheel is because all of the the controls were
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uniquely functional like single use functional there was wheel on each side and there
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were buttons above and below each wheel and i would always use left button for media volume press it in to play pause
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right wheel was fan speed press it in to go auto or off and then media controls up and down the
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yoke is wide it doesn't have a top of course but it's got these little nubs so you
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kind of you can experiment with different driving positions but it is very rectangular and
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that part doesn't bother me at all the fact that it's a yolk doesn't bother me at all it is not actually the yolk
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that bothers me i've gotten used to it at this point but there are no stocks as you can tell
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there's no drive stocks and there's no blinkers and the buttons on the steering wheel
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are all touch sensitive yeah they're not physically clicking in buttons they are haptic buttons but they're like
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pressing a piece of glass that vibrates back at you all the buttons blinkers headlights horn
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windshield wipers all of it and that part sucks because now that i'm doing this new like
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hand over hand motion because i can't just pass it through like a wheel normally would i i'm constantly at least in the
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first couple days brushing buttons brushing the blinkers brushing the headlights
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um and it's so frustrating to have like missing the blinker and then turn and
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hit the blinker you didn't want to hit it's like the hardest thing to hit and the easiest thing to hit at the same
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time it just it's it like knows when it's a very obvious the opposite of what you want to do
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yeah so i you know at this point i'm getting i'm getting my muscle memory down of
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like the location of the buttons so on the left side it's the blinkers and the headlights the blinkers are obviously easy to reach
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because i am over here with one hand i'll hit the blinkers it's a a light press
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to hold and then you hear the the vibration another vibration for a heavy press okay
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which is like i guess it's sort of a force sensitive and that'll leave the blinker on
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you can press it again to turn off headlights same thing you can do a headlight flash just by tapping or you
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can heavy press to turn them on and get your settings and then on the other side yeah it's just a horn
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just tap the horn it's kind of normal which i don't know that doesn't seem
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like better than a horn in the middle yeah and then you have your wipers and your
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uh your mic for voice activation um but yeah it's really i i think the
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combination of touch sensitive buttons and the yoke are what go so wrong i think if it was
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one or the other i would be less mad i think if it was a regular wheel
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with touch sensitive buttons that would be fine i could remap my muscle memory but i'd still be passing the wheel through my hands and i wouldn't brush
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them accidentally i think if it was a yoke with regular buttons and stalks that's actually what
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i would prefer that would have also been fine because i can get used to the yoke and i've actually in a couple days gotten my steering down
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i do like full 360 turns every day out of my driveway and it's fine now but i would i just
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i get so mad when i accidentally hit one of these buttons so that's how i feel about the yo yeah i
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could see a good middle ground here being a just uh like a slight indentation with still touch buttons so
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you can kind of feel where everything is a little easier because i've seen you like yeah your if your thumb like kind of
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comes right off the steering wheel and then hits the edge of where the the touch sensitive spot starts that's
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not actually hitting the the blinker so like if you could feel that little dent going down and they do have a
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little indent in the middle to differentiate you know left and right but that only helps in up and down you can still miss
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it left to right you can miss all around the button pretty hard and i think the the first couple days
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like during that boston road trip i would be going to merge and i would look over my shoulder like normally you
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just hit the stock and you're gone and you have to check your shoulder and then merge i would like
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always have to check to make sure i hit the right blinker and to make sure i hit the actual blinker yeah
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and the haptic feedback is nice if you're like kind of in the area and you like knowing you hit it but it's just
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like a lot of times i would i would check and i would signal and i'd realize i hit the wrong button because
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i wasn't looking so i'd always check and then look at the wheel again just to make sure i got it yeah
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and that that like mapping process for me i i have 10 years
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and 100 000 miles of driving with stocks that i have to un unwind or like relearn
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yeah there's people you know who get maybe the long range one later that
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might have 40 years and half a million miles of driving with stocks and how long is
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going to take them to flip to like learn this and get as proficient
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as they used to be with what they just were used to forever i i don't know i think it's gonna take me like
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if i was guessing three weeks all right so before we head to break
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here now uh i just want to leave it off with one last question even with you saying in three weeks you think you'll be pretty
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much fully acclimated to this if you have the choice even at the end of that three weeks uh
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wheel or yolk at the end of the three weeks i mean just like you know you're gonna
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have in the car forever so you understand that a yoke like in three weeks you think you'll be totally ready for it but if you had the choice right now to have a wheel in this
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car would you take it i would i would take ooh right now right now right now knowing you're gonna
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have this car for longer than three weeks so yeah i have a unique i have a unique answer to that i would take a hybrid
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i don't know if that's not a choice i wanna i wanna go yolk now or old wheel old wheel old wheel yeah
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but if i could hybrid i would pick the yolk with real buttons i think a lot of people
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would agree with you there i think the the yolk is weird i would prefer a wheel but maybe just because
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i mean i've been using it for so long um but most reasonable people would pick a wheel until they get used to the yoke i guess
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but i do think like you said it's a difference with the the buttons i think are what a lot of people mostly seem to have an issue with
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or are worried about and i i think that's a legitimate concern that you know i'm sure people
00:26:10
get used to it but at the same time you said that uh elon's excuse probably for the yoke is
00:26:15
that eventually we're not gonna need steering wheels at all but that just feels like a that makes
00:26:20
zero sense because why would you make the product different when you're going to get rid of it that is fundamentally
00:26:25
an excuse instead of a reason you don't make a a feature worse as it starts to rain you
00:26:31
don't make a feature worse because you won't need it later like that's like saying oh we didn't add
00:26:36
uh wireless charging to our f we we added worse wireless charging to our phone because we won't need it in the
00:26:42
future now you just make it as good as possible until you don't need it anymore um and this has always been maybe we'll
00:26:48
talk about this later probably we'll make a whole video about this eventually but my number one like fundamental
00:26:57
conflict when talking about teslas is number one their best feature
00:27:04
i think is how fun they are to drive and number two their number one
00:27:11
biggest like tech advantage that they talk about a lot anyway yeah is how you won't have to drive them
00:27:18
and the yolk to me is like right in the middle of that crossroads
00:27:23
of like okay this is the most fun car to drive i've ever driven and probably for a lot of people will be
00:27:30
the most fun car to drive so i don't really want to do too much autopilot why would you make the steering wheel worse because
00:27:38
later you won't have to drive it but i want to drive it you know what i mean like that conflict between those two
00:27:44
guiding principles of tesla and why they're so successful is fascinating to me yeah it's a that's a head scratcher and
00:27:51
i'm sure based on elon's tweets we'll have plenty more head scratchers within the lifetime of tesla but let's uh let's start the
00:27:57
break before it starts thundering here and i guess we'll we'll wrap this we were gonna do the whole thing in the car but we'll probably wrap
00:28:02
up the q a back in the studio because it's now lightning outside shout out to the thunder we'll come back
00:28:08
with q a be right back wait can i just say that this is gonna be the first tesla model s plaid
00:28:15
asmr true we can fade out oh yeah with some rain
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that's mini usa.com okay welcome back we are back in the
00:30:03
studio because it started raining and it'll hopefully sound a little better in here but we're going gonna answer questions from twitter and discord about the car
00:30:10
that you guys might be wondering i we like i said we're planning on reviewing the car we're gonna have a whole bunch more information and details but it's
00:30:16
just so good to see what people are curious about yeah in something uh something of a flagship like this so
00:30:22
you've picked some already yeah i understand so we can we can get into those right off the bat and maybe we'll find some more but
00:30:28
i'm here to answer all of your plaid model list questions yeah i feel like this is a good prep almost for the review because you get to see what a lot
00:30:33
of people are interested in and then sometimes even diving into a conversation makes you realize something a little more
00:30:38
that you now can put into the review but um yeah we asked on twitter we also asked on discord um and we got some
00:30:44
pretty good ones from each so i'm going to start it off which it's kind of going to tie into what we talked about before the break so
00:30:50
we so we really looked at the interior a lot we kind of picked it apart um talked a lot about it but somebody wanted to know what was your one
00:30:56
favorite part about the new interior uh my one favorite part about the new interior is the horizontal screen
00:31:03
i i really liked the vertical screen before and the way the ui flipped back and forth from top to bottom um
00:31:09
and i was curious if i would miss like having that much of the map in vertical and i'm really glad i like
00:31:15
the horizontal screen i think that's probably my favorite i'd say that's got to be one of the biggest maybe not the biggest upgrade but i
00:31:21
think that's the biggest like quality of life change that they did that makes the most sense i mean yeah it matches everything up across their lineup
00:31:27
obviously the software is going to look the same as model 3 and why although it is a little bit better um yeah oh yeah the
00:31:33
horizontal screen is probably the thing that stuck out to me the most other than the yoke and that would be the
00:31:38
the biggest positive cool i'm gonna tack onto this too just because i know my answer for this um what's your favorite part about the exterior that's different
00:31:46
hmm i mean the chrome blackout is pretty sweet yeah that's fantastic that's probably my predictable answer um
00:31:52
i do kind of like that it looks a little more aggressive and obviously it's a bit more sporty of
00:31:58
a car but it's got these huge tires 285s on the front which is usually the rear tires on the staggered model s before
00:32:04
and two 95s on the back just these massive tires and the fenders actually flare out a
00:32:10
little bit wider to accommodate those bigger tires it's actually a wider car yeah um and so
00:32:16
the uh the the repeaters with the cameras stick out more yeah around those flares so it is a bit
00:32:23
of a more stanced car which is kind of another thing i like about it um
00:32:28
but yeah i think the blackout chrome looks really good every car company should do
00:32:33
that they should have done the logos also um the two last pieces of chrome are the front
00:32:38
and the back logos yeah i have to say my i love the new wheels the uh is that like the new arachnid did
00:32:45
they call it something different no yeah it's a that's the 21-inch arachnid wheel with the performance tires
00:32:50
um it is different than the other arachnids isn't it slightly different yeah i think they look better i think they look way better i like these
00:32:56
um also 21 inch we all know potholes are a huge issue so that should be fun you
00:33:02
haven't been on 21s in like over a year right three years three years since oh man yeah um all right next question
00:33:10
so this is one i really like this is from kochka i was probably mispronouncing
00:33:15
that it was on a discord server actually and while i know what your answer is i think it's
00:33:21
a really interesting question they said yeah if you could sacrifice half the power to double the range
00:33:26
would you okay we might have to define this a
00:33:33
little more but yeah i think good question um half the power meaning
00:33:38
back to 500 horsepower and double the range meaning
00:33:44
690 something 690 miles because right now you get on the 19-inch wheels 390 miles if you
00:33:51
double that you're looking at 780 miles of range that's pretty sick that's crazy i would take that then you
00:33:57
did not answer how i thought really yeah i mean i guess if you really think about it though let's
00:34:02
if we're doing quick math i'm sure this isn't perfect but 0 to 60 in what four seconds 4.2 seconds that's still
00:34:09
like a base model three which is still very fast that's why i wanna to clarify
00:34:15
because i'm sure there's a technicality but when he says half the power half the power won't get you half the
00:34:20
time half the power might get you two thirds of the time that's why i'm like all right if you take half a thousand horsepower the last
00:34:26
model s had about 700 horsepower 650 horsepower or something like that so you're cutting off half the power of
00:34:32
the plaid model s which is a thousand horsepower now you're at 500. so it'll probably perform like a
00:34:38
yeah like a performance model three like three point four seconds zero to 16. which is still
00:34:43
like there are a lot of street cars like sports cars that people will put thousands of thousands
00:34:48
of dollars of upgrades into just to get to a three or four like that yeah so it's so quick that's very fast and then you get
00:34:55
seven 700 miles even 600 miles of range yeah i think that would be the ultimate
00:35:00
long-range car and that would be super great and i would take that and i think i would have more fun in something
00:35:06
like a roadster later down the road down the line so if i'm imagining an amazing long-range model s half the
00:35:13
power and double the range sounds pretty good to me i would i would easily pick double the range yeah yeah no problem but i also
00:35:19
don't drive an eevee every day so like even that would still be probably five times as fast as
00:35:24
my car so i wonder how long it would take to charge a battery that big with the current because right now the
00:35:29
current uh home charger right now it's like great to leave every day with a full charge uh but if i
00:35:35
get home with like almost empty battery it'll take all of overnight like eight full hours to get
00:35:40
to full so if you double the what i don't know if you range charge to full every day i guess you would still
00:35:45
be able to charge to within a day's worth of driving or like average days worth of driving but then again on supercharging
00:35:52
if we're talking about efficiency of the beginning you're saying 50 of that battery at top speeds
00:35:58
would still be 300 miles so that would be amazing yeah that yeah okay cool that seems like the
00:36:04
pretty uh pretty smart thing to do sick now if you could take double the performance in half the range
00:36:13
i mean if it was the mice if i had another car maybe and like yeah
00:36:20
we're getting to the point where could that even be street legal i mean like yes but if you had something that was
00:36:25
literally double the power of plaid right now i think we would be seeing new laws coming into play
00:36:30
the rimac navera is roughly double the power double the pout yeah 1900 horsepower what's it zero to
00:36:36
60 uh it's supposed to be 1.85 seconds and i don't remember what they said the range is going to be i think it's
00:36:42
something reasonable like 275 miles but i might have to double check on that because the battery size isn't final
00:36:47
um but that's that's like the world record fastest yeah they're making like a very small
00:36:53
number of them and it's it's a two-door supercar it's two million bucks but it is two million horsepower two thousand horsepower that's more i'm
00:37:00
talking about i'm talking about rockets now no it's 2000 horsepower which is hilarious but that's yeah that's pretty wild yeah um okay this says genuine question
00:37:07
tesla's mission is to mass produce evs that regular people use why is everyone obsessed with speed who cares regular people are just
00:37:13
getting from point a to b constricted by speed limits often in congested cities why is this such a selling point
00:37:19
yeah uh it's fun yeah it's fun unfortunately it's the reason yeah um no i i mentioned this sort of at the
00:37:26
end when we were in the car but like you know tesla has like a couple main selling points that they're really good
00:37:32
at one of them is like they happen to be the safest cars you can buy one of them is that they happen to have like the most tech of any car you can buy
00:37:38
one of them is maybe someday the autopilot will get good enough where you don't really have to drive it that
00:37:44
much but one of them is definitely that they're some of the most fun cars to drive and everybody who
00:37:49
gets them knows that and most people i know who get them are very aware of that and love that about them
00:37:54
um so you can ask all you want like what's the point you can't really take advantage of it but it's just fun
00:38:00
yeah i think like you said there are so many other benefits and yes speed is one speed is one that's
00:38:06
just like it's so easy to pick a number and compare it to another car it's so much harder to pick one headline grabbing title to to
00:38:14
explain that uh like autopilot is better in this car than another car it just doesn't really
00:38:19
flow off the tongue so we're we live in a world where unfortunately headlines are the big thing that get all the traction so yes you're
00:38:26
seeing that speed seems like the main selling point here but i probably almost argue it isn't i
00:38:31
would just argue that it's the most advanced tesla is generally the most advanced ev right now
00:38:37
one of the best infrastructures out there it's just like the total package in the ev world it's winning so like that's what's
00:38:44
selling it speed is the quick and easy headline i mean if you talk about trying to show it on video
00:38:50
in five seconds you can show how fast a new a model s plot is where it would take a
00:38:55
ten minute video to go over all the different like autopilot features of it or safety features and that's just not as fun
00:39:01
here's one more here's one more here's one more answer to that question uh you may have you might have heard about something called the halo car effect
00:39:08
um and it's been sort of explained in a couple different ways but the easiest way to explain it is you want to have a car at the top of
00:39:15
your lineup that demonstrates the best of your abilities something like a flagship so audi makes a lot of different cars
00:39:22
they make sedans they make hatchbacks they make regular cars and then they make the r8
00:39:28
and the r8 it's a v10 shares the same engine from like a lamborghini aventador and it's
00:39:33
incredible supercar and they'll trickle down the tech from that and all the headlines from as good
00:39:39
as that car is with everything else in their lineup and this is very common among a lot of other
00:39:44
like high performance sort of car brands um tesla uniquely
00:39:49
is sort of creating a halo car for all of electric cars so you've heard elon sort of talk about
00:39:56
like we want driving the electric car to be the obvious choice and there's a group of people who pick
00:40:01
their car based on how fun it is to drive there's a group of people who base their car purchase on like how fast it can be
00:40:07
and all these types of things and when you have an electric car that does that better than gas cars
00:40:12
that's just one more reason to advance overall people being okay with electric cars
00:40:18
so it's a halo car type of feature for electric cars in general but of
00:40:23
course for teslas when you have fast tesla's people now understand that tesla's and electric cars can be high
00:40:29
performance cars too yeah and i think that like it might not sound that important yes the everyday person is talking about
00:40:34
you know just getting from point a to b with a speed limit but if you think back to pre-tesla when
00:40:40
we're talking about like early hybrids the the main criticism of them was is like this is this dinky little car that can
00:40:46
barely make it down the road or like you can make it down the road but there's still plenty of people who are making fun of it for not having any pickup or not
00:40:52
having any acceleration and and tesla with evs changed that and now it's much harder
00:40:59
for people to use that argument as a gas car enthusiast to say that the performance aspect of it
00:41:04
is not up to snuff if anything it's better now so it's it's completely eliminated that argument
00:41:09
out of there and it's given evs a place in our market yeah and that's great and there's people
00:41:14
who take their car to the drag strip on weekends for fun like you couldn't do that with an electric car for a long time
00:41:20
so now you can well so here's a here's a question right now you're we're kind of seeing
00:41:26
like the model s plaid is the model s is is definitely their higher tier car but is still
00:41:32
shaped and kind of for an everyday family it has a hatchback it's got plenty of room like it's not your average sports car
00:41:37
when roadster comes out do you think they start caring a little less about model s and it's its overall speeds like plaid
00:41:44
is pushing a number we haven't seen before but when roadster is doing that i can't see plaid pushing any further
00:41:50
yeah i fully agree so plaid just in tesla's nomenclature is really
00:41:55
just referring to the powertrain the triple motor powertrain i should've said model s that's right um but no i think you're right i think
00:42:01
when roadster comes out that's where they focus on performance you notice plaid plus was cancelled
00:42:07
like they had plans for a slightly faster slightly higher powered model s and i
00:42:12
think realized you know at some point during that process not only would they not be able to make it in time but like
00:42:18
it's not really a priority yeah um and yes i do think roadster takes over the halo car effect from
00:42:24
plaid model s when it comes out i think that's true cool um so i have one here i'm gonna ask the
00:42:29
question but i am also going to answer it because i think we've discussed a couple times that i'm the most well versed on this part um it
00:42:36
is uh why is it called plaid that's a dumb name and doesn't even sound right um okay so i think
00:42:44
you guys have adam you've seen the clip of what it's from you've not seen the movie that neither of you have seen the whole movie i've
00:42:49
not seen spaceballs i think i've seen the clip or you've seen the clipped in the events okay yeah so
00:42:55
for anyone watching i feel like if you're around 20 or younger you might not get this is a reference from a movie
00:43:00
by the way and elon is like the perfect movie that i assume elon watches it's a very trolly it is it is a movie that is a parody to
00:43:07
star wars um that's the easiest way to describe it it's called spaceballs um it is was very
00:43:13
popular a long time ago i'd say even my my age is probably some of the last people who saw it because i think i
00:43:19
was even a little young to probably watch it definitely has some adult um scenarios in it but
00:43:25
essentially if you're familiar with star wars there's light speed and every time they
00:43:30
go on light speed the if you look at out the front of the spaceship a bunch of lights come at you
00:43:35
because you're going so fast that the lights i guess not yeah i don't know what the physics behind star wars uniform is yeah
00:43:42
something like that so in space balls there's a point where they're being chased and they have to go to light speed the
00:43:48
ship that's chasing them goes into light speed so in order to catch up the the ship that is chasing them to catch up to the
00:43:54
ship that they're going after they want to go faster so they turn it into what they call and remember this is a parody movie not everything is very
00:44:01
serious they call it plaid so when they put it into plaid the spaceship in front instead of the
00:44:06
stars coming past them and stretching out and being this light it is literally a plaid shoot that just
00:44:12
kind of goes past them and all the colors turn into plaid so it's just an essentially another level of speed hence
00:44:19
model s plaid is hitting these new speeds elon likes to mess around and that's yeah that's what the badge on the back of your car is
00:44:24
and that yeah now that's what you see when you hit the pedal so it makes a lot of sense i'm sure it sounds really dumb if you don't
00:44:31
understand the reference but i would spaceballs is a great movie highly suggest watching it or funny because at
00:44:36
least yeah it's funny because when i was uh initially describing the card to people i said oh this is the plaid model s
00:44:42
universally they were like why did you get a plaid car like they thought the color of your car was plaid someone needs to
00:44:48
wrap it someone needs to take the sacrifice i need some sort of wrap
00:44:53
somewhere on it to do that that would be amazing plaid plaid somebody make it happen flat squared oh
00:45:00
man that would be great and awful at the same time okay i have one okay do you think it should
00:45:06
have looked more aggressive with the new wings side skirts and fenders uh i know it doesn't need them but it looks
00:45:12
very similar to a normal model s yeah i think so one of the things i was
00:45:18
mentioning is like there there's a lot of small changes that add up to a big change yeah and the more you look at the car the
00:45:24
more little things they change the front splitter the lip is bigger the front headlights
00:45:30
are a little more aerodynamic and there's a slot on the side for cooling your brakes uh the rear diffuser is just a little
00:45:36
bit bigger uh the stance is just a little wider the fender's a little wider when you combine all those things you're
00:45:42
like oh yeah it looks like an old model s but it does look a little bit different but there were i mean people saw the the
00:45:47
prototypes being tested with like a huge fixed wing and like a body kit basically and they're like why didn't it
00:45:54
look like that like a race car uh it's because this isn't a race car it's a four-door sedan that happens to
00:45:59
be faster than all the other cars i think roadster if you're after that if you're after that you will be able to
00:46:05
get an electric car that looks like a race car it's just not model s so yes they've they've haloed the
00:46:11
drivetrain pretty hard in this car but it they didn't make it look it kind of looks like a sleeper if you don't know it's
00:46:16
coming it looks like any other tesla um i think if you're after a race car look you probably shouldn't be buying a
00:46:23
four-door sedan yeah and not every car company and even not every performance car company has done that all the time i
00:46:28
mean if you look at porsche you could pull up a 90 like a porsche from the 90s and a porsche from today and
00:46:34
they look very similar i know headlight mostly the headlights have changed but even the shape of them is
00:46:40
very similar yeah they've got a dna yeah and then and people love that about them so it's like
00:46:46
that's not always a pro would i have liked to see a couple cool i think i think a model s with like way
00:46:52
more aggressive like skirts and a front uh front fender would be sick and i'm sure people will do that
00:46:58
with aftermarket parts but um in order to as you're selling it as because it's the same thing we're always
00:47:05
looking at speed where i think this is the problem with having such a good speed is we're always comparing it to sports cars
00:47:10
this is more compared to a luxury sedan a luxury um what are they hatch i mean hatchback
00:47:18
what do they call it in the uk don't they call them saloons super saloon saloon yeah like this is a saloon car which yeah a lot of times you
00:47:24
could argue as more of a family car than a a sports car so yeah if you want a crazy body kit
00:47:30
have you seen the the pikes peak version of model s plaid no so uh there's a pikes peak like race
00:47:35
up a mountain every year oh oh maybe i don't know randy i forgot how to say his last name uh it
00:47:41
was a driver for it and then they modded one with a huge body kit and arrow kit and fixed wing if you want a
00:47:46
crazy looking model s just look up that one that one looks hilarious so you'll have to do aftermarket pretty much yeah it looks plaid it's literally plaid
00:47:53
um i got a question here somebody asked um how's the ui compared
00:47:59
to model 3 and why versus last gen i've seen other videos what's your take it's supposed to come to the entire lineup in two weeks
00:48:05
according to elon well wouldn't count on the timing but i do really like the ui it's very smooth the swipe in from the
00:48:12
side with all the controls is new for me i got to get used to that because i'm used to the previous vertical screen version of
00:48:18
it but i really like it i it's clean it's mostly black and white nothing too distracting the dock at the bottom
00:48:24
is modular and stays in place exactly where you want it so that's sweet the one thing it doesn't have and this
00:48:31
is so specific but that i want is granular fan control so right now i have to go into the air
00:48:37
conditioning and slide a touchscreen slider from like five to eight and then back to seven and then
00:48:44
just give me that on the wheel i can't figure out why they didn't add that back having to go into something like that for
00:48:49
air conditioning controls would probably make me uh pretty annoyed after a while but yeah i do have to say the
00:48:55
you mentioned this i think in the first half of the podcast but the drive select in the side of the screen i do agree it
00:49:00
could push out a little further and the thing that i think is the dumbest reason why
00:49:06
it doesn't is because as it pushes that whole menu to the right you still have half the screen of basically nothing
00:49:11
it's just like the faded out background so it seems like there's no reason to not push that out give you a little more of a target
00:49:16
to hit yeah and uh but other than that i mean i again i think the horizontal screen looks fantastic in the car and the ui
00:49:23
looks way better yeah from someone who doesn't actually drive the car i got another question about the tech
00:49:29
that i think is interesting how in god's name are those motors able to withstand that much heat generation i don't think
00:49:36
you can do the zero to 100 and 1.9 seconds more than say i think he's talking about kilometers kilometers more than say
00:49:42
two times it's just physically impossible and that is actually kind of the biggest technical
00:49:48
improvement with this car versus the last model s um so if you look at the headlines of
00:49:55
model s versus tai can uh the model s technically had a quicker 0-60 like 2.3
00:50:02
versus 2.4 and a lot of people who raced the two cars uh would have the model s win uh because
00:50:09
they'd have full state of charge with one versus full state of charge with the other and it'd be that much quicker but the advantage of the tican
00:50:15
was an incredible cooling system and much better tech that had it ready to do that same launch time
00:50:21
over and over and over again and so i saw a really interesting graph i'm pretty sure this was a motor trend article
00:50:26
where they were comparing the two where they saw like the initial 0-60s and you'd had model s right below and
00:50:32
then you had a second run and model s was about the same time and then a third run and it was way slower
00:50:38
a fourth run way slower fifth front slower slower slower and tican only got a little bit slower
00:50:44
throughout its run and so that was something that people would always sort of gloss over but if you really looked into performance cars
00:50:50
like this was like well this is something tesla has to fix and so that's what they've done is they've got these carbon sleeved rotors they've got what
00:50:57
elon describes as the most advanced motors in the world and of course better heat pumps better
00:51:02
overall cooling of the car and they're able to keep the battery temperature much more in line with what they want
00:51:08
and now it's almost a robotic performance uh of literally i think brooks did
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multiple i think he did seven quarter miles in a row all from launch and got all like 9.25 9.27 9.26
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9.29 over and over same robotic times so that is kind of the most impressive technical
00:51:28
achievement of this new powertrain is how consistent it is overall able to deliver the same performance um and a
00:51:35
lot of people view that as like an answer to the tai can and i mean it's a perfect example that we need more competition because it's
00:51:42
making everyone better i mean exactly yeah that's awesome yeah oh someone said okay this is an interesting one maybe one of our last
00:51:48
questions do you feel luxurious in a porsche thai can or sorry do you feel luxurious like in a
00:51:53
porsche thai can when you sit in a tesla because the features and specs are obviously better than in a thai can i still
00:52:00
think the tai can has a better interior but the fit and finish and overall quality of
00:52:06
tesla's interior is better it's just that it's better in that minimalist way like if you were
00:52:13
comparing it to the ti-can still the ti-can is very different in the types of materials that they use
00:52:20
in the amount of buttons and switches and the layout and it's just very different and if that's the type of
00:52:25
traditional luxury you're after this new model s doesn't really approach that or get any closer to that
00:52:31
but in tesla land of minimal several materials carbon fiber this metal here plastic
00:52:38
here it has leveled up all of it all this all the leather softer all the seats are better
00:52:44
all the features the perforated you know seats are nicer all the carpets are softer all the
00:52:49
magnets of all the latches are all better everything is much better stuck in place and there are no gaps and
00:52:55
i think that's probably what they were going for they're not trying to turn it into a traditional look too hard to compare those two i think
00:53:01
yeah so you know to you know that's an interesting question from the perspective of like
00:53:06
the word luxury and the way it gets used it's fascinating to me but yeah i think this is the best finish they've ever had anything so i
00:53:12
kind of took that question as like imagine well i think you're right in how
00:53:17
you took it when i first heard them ask that question my initial thought was like in terms of luxury like do i feel like i am
00:53:23
luxurious and like other people are is it a head-turner essentially like and i would argue
00:53:30
i think i might argue if you are driving the take-hand around right now because less of them are the
00:53:35
road it is probably the more head-turning car when you're passing others and passing people on the street
00:53:41
um whether that is your definition of luxury as in aka i enjoy when other people look at me
00:53:48
and are jealous of what i am driving then then maybe the take-hand takes it in that but again i think so much of the
00:53:54
interior and everything everything's preferential yeah they're pretty they're both pretty low key i feel like the ti cam looks just like a panamera and like
00:54:01
a 911 and there's other portions that look like it i think though people are so used to what porsches look like that this looks a little different
00:54:07
so it's it's like something's different about that and i'm going to stare at it to try and figure out
00:54:13
different to take in yeah we've i've pronounced everything differently four times in this episode but i think
00:54:19
there's so many model s's out there now it's it's like yeah oh that could be an old 75d or oh
00:54:25
my goodness that's the plaid like uh yeah all right our last question here is from josh
00:54:30
martin and he asked does it send though yes it does yeah absolutely we actually
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have a fun little clip that we're gonna uh play for our outro here and i think uh for video or audio listeners you will
00:54:43
definitely be able to tell what's going on look at the picture yeah um so you guys don't really get to see
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this on the podcast but every time we do the end credits i completely stumble over what we're gonna say so i'm gonna tell marcus
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i'm gonna start saying the end of it and marcus is gonna punch it while i'm saying it and we're gonna see what happens go for it
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okay ready yeah waveform podcast is produced by adam molina we are partnering with studio 71 our intro
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