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When I was a kid in either fourth or
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fifth grade, we had to make, and this is
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a horrible assignment to give a child,
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>> a paperier-mâché.
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>> Oh god.
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>> Terrible already.
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>> Two scale solar system.
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>> Wait, so you had like
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>> which as you know is absurd one scale.
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>> So kids and I like a marble in a
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football field.
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>> Yes. Yeah. So I my son my son was like
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this big and Pluto was still like 20 ft
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away and I had everything connected with
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like dowels and strings and like I did
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bring that into school.
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>> I don't remember. I got to ask my
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parents about this cuz I remember this
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project.
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>> What you should have done is brought in
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the sun and be like the rest is at home
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>> where it belongs.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week it
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is still TACH, believe it or not. Are we
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doing it? Is still tech March and thus
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we have lots of things to talk about. We
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have uh dubbed updates getting
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announced. We have IGDMs. We have US
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governments banning routers, lots of
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acronyms. Uh also some new flighty
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updates, one of my favorite apps of all
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time. Uh ads and Apple Maps, no more
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Sora, and a million other little things.
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So let's just jump. So many things this
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week. It's crazy.
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>> It's a lot of small things. Yeah. So, a
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lot of four bullet points.
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>> Yeah.
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>> The whole outline pretty much.
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>> But we can we can at least vamp, you
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know, that's what we're good at.
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>> Bullshitting.
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>> We yap. We're yappers. Adam's ready to
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yap. And did we even did they even test
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it?
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>> Oh, nice. Good segue. You caught me off
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guard.
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>> Yeah. Did they even test this? You might
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have caught it on the studio channel if
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you follow them. They did a short about
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it yesterday. Eric and Rich. But I was
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annoyed because me and Rich were
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transferring files yesterday and I gave
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him a hard drive and then as he's going
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to give it back to me, he rightclicks it
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and he looks for unmount but it's right
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next to erase like format. Who decided
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that
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>> Yeah,
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and erase should be right next to each
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other.
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>> Say even worse, they both start with a
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capital E, so it's it's just right
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there.
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>> Like if you're not paying attention
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>> Yeah.
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>> And I think I've done that actually.
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But erase does give you an additional
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prompt that says, "Are you sure?" Right?
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>> No. Yeah. And then I panic and I'm like,
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"No, no, no, no, no." But I've
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definitely hit erase accidentally
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before.
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>> Doesn't eject give you a No, it doesn't.
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>> No, no, no. But you wouldn't be
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surprised if it got a prompt. You just
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hit yes. And you're like, "Wait, did
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that say
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that?"
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>> Your your reactions to the enter button
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are much quicker than reading
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comprehension.
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>> It's true.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And it's the same on So, it happened on
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his Mac and then it was the same thing
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on my Samsung phone. It's also like if
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you go into the files app and you hit
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the three dots to eject the hard drive
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or whatever, it's right next to erase.
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So this is like a standard.
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>> Wait, when you connect a drive to your
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Samsung phone,
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>> that's hilarious that more than one
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company did this.
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>> Like who decided this?
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>> Is it alphabetical? Hold on. This is
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crazy. Eject.
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>> I guess I don't have a drive attached.
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Wow.
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>> Maybe because they're alphabetical, but
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nothing else. Wait,
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>> I doubt it.
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>> No, it's not cuz right above it is like
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>> it's probably just because it's an
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action for the text. Yeah, if I right
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click anything, it's not in alphabetical
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order. So,
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>> cuz generally that drop down is like
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folder colors and a bunch of other
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stuff. So, then those two are just like
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actions that are
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>> Yeah.
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>> similar, but not ones you want to be
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similar.
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>> It's it's like engineer brain versus
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designer brain, you know? Like engineer
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brain would be like, yeah, like those
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are two things you do to the drive. I'm
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going to order them in terms of
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severity. Whereas a designer would be
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like at no point does anyone ever
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choosing between those two options. like
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they should be far away.
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>> Yeah, erase should be at the bottom.
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>> If we want a good example of a designer
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brain that may not have noticed
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something that feels too obvious, we
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just released these studio stickers
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>> which if you are an audio listener
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essentially what our uh design team has
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thought up of which I think is really
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interesting is the eyropper tool from
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like Photoshop or any design program
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except that we have cut it out. So there
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is a it's not clear. It's just a
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straight cutout in the eyedropper and in
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the circle that it's selecting. So no
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matter what you put it on, it looks like
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you're selecting the color of
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>> A lot of people got very confused at
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this. Somebody posted on our subreddit
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um our unofficial subreddit. They're
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like, I'm confused. How did they get the
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colors to match exactly
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>> what the thing they put it on and it's
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because there's a cutout and it's clear
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and you can see through it.
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>> That's what I was saying. Like our
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designers, somebody said in Instagram,
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is there a red one?
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>> It's like yes, there is any color you
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could ever think of. whatever it is
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underneath it.
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>> None of us ever thought that would
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happen, but there are multiple comments
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on Twitter and Reddit and Instagram. So,
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yes, whatever color you would like.
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These are new stickers available
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>> except except teal. It doesn't work on
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teal.
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>> It doesn't. Well, it shouldn't. Sorry,
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Dave.
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>> I will say that it works much better on
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like brighter, more vibrant colors. I
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put it on my iPhone um blue, whatever
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the blue color is called this year
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>> and it's like it's it's not as poppy.
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You know, when you put on your water
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bottle, you're like, "Whoa." It like
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looks like a red sticker, like a bright
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red sticker. It's pretty cool.
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>> But on my dark blue iPhone, it's not as
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vibrant. So, I would put on your more
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vibrant.
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>> You're using an old version also that
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has a clear outline, which creates less
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contrast on the
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>> over
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Oh, you're right. I'm using We have an
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old all white outline now. So no matter
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what your color is, you should get a big
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contrast boost because it's a great
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point.
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>> That's a great point. That's a great
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point. It's a classic of like we've been
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in the weeds working on this for so long
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that when it comes out, we assume
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everyone knows all of the things, but
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now you know all the things.
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>> Luckily, this is just a sticker and you
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can figure it out by yourself.
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>> You get the sticker, you're like, "Oh,
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this is nice. This is good."
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>> Yeah. And if you want new things to put
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the stickers on, there's new software
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coming out in June from Apple because
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WWDC just got announced. You can put
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your stickers on your software
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>> in the metaverse
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>> as long as it's not teal.
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>> As long as it's not teal.
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>> I'm kidding. It's a sticker. It does
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work on teal.
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>> Yeah. So, here's one of our two bullet
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point uh things. Actually, there's only
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one bullet point, but WWDC starts on
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Monday, June 8th. It is once again on a
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Monday for some reason. I don't know why
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they keep doing this. Usually events are
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on Tuesdays so that people can travel
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and not have to travel over the weekend.
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Um but it is on a Monday. So, you know,
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we're going to be seeing what's going on
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there. There's going to be some new
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Apple Intelligence stuff.
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>> 27
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>> hopefully iOS 27. Which brings us to
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Apple is reportedly testing a standalone
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Siri app. And uh we know that Siri is
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going to be powered by Gemini. And so
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this feels like it will possibly just
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kind of be a Gemini rapper, you know,
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because Gemini has a dedicated app and
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that's how people interact with it. But
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you can also interact with it through
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the phone through asking, you know, hey
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G, what's up with this? You can do
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things via Gemini through a Gemini
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rapper. It was just Meek Mill.
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>> Oh, wow. Meek is
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>> That was a crazy cut. Not even deep
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because it was new, but if you saw it,
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>> who is Meek Mill?
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>> I'm just on
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>> No, that was a Twitter reference.
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>> Yeah, it was a recent Twitter reference
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like been tweeting about AI all week.
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Sorry. I totally
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>> He's a rapper also if you didn't know
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that. Hence,
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>> I thought you meant he was actually his
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his birth sign.
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>> That's what I thought, too. Yeah.
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>> Now, Mico's been tweeting about Claude
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all week. That's really funny.
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>> Got it.
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>> That is funny. Okay.
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>> Wait, I need to know now. What's his
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sign? Hold on. He's a Taurus. He's a
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>> Taurus Bros. Nice.
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>> Anyway, anyway, um yeah, so it seems
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like we're going to get the Siri 2.0
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potentially in the iOS 27 release. Uh
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despite previously being stated that it
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will come out in iOS 26.4 4 26.5 German
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is reporting that there will be a
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separate app that looks like iMessage
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when you message it.
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>> I thought that was really interesting.
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Yeah,
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>> cuz a lot of this was maybe this is just
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because of u what was the new one open
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claw how people were like interacting it
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with through messages. That was an
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interesting like paradigm of just I want
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to chat with my chatbot. Everyone knows
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iMessage. So an app that's Siri but it
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looks like iMessage is interesting. It's
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a concept that Apple can do. I think
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it's good and weird because like it's
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obviously familiar to iPhone users
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because it looks like iMessage,
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>> but then also like the fact that there's
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two apps that look exactly the same, but
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one is the AI one. I guess you'll never
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get them confused, but it feels like
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maybe it could just be in the messages
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app.
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>> Like why not just a a top chat like a
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pin chat that's now
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>> inside the messages,
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>> which is what WhatsApp did for a very
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long time.
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>> And I think didn't Google messages do
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that with Gemini or you can chat to
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Gemini.
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>> You can chat to Gemini. can pin it if
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you want to the top and there's a chat
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in there.
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>> So, I can see that.
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>> I think that makes a lot of sense. Um,
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it's also being reported that they're
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testing a lot of new different Siri
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designs, which is kind of sad cuz I like
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the current kind of rainbow wavy one
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that they got going on. But apparently
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it may come out of the dynamic island.
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Um, and it will probably be replacing
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Spotlight so that Siri can access
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different types of data because
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Spotlight is fairly limited on what the
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phone can access. And now that Siri is
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going to have this new LLM built in,
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it'll be able to understand more context
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and kind of reach for different types of
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things. Um, and apps will also be
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getting an ask with Siri option so you
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can get more context about the things
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that you're currently looking at on your
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screen. So, it really kind of just feels
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like Apple is following what Google is
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doing with Gemini where Gemini is
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embedded inside of Android and it's just
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kind of part of the OS. I think Apple is
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moving in that direction.
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>> Clippy.
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>> Clippy.
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>> Microsoft had it right years ago.
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>> Ahead of it time. Yeah. Google, we
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always say Google Glass ahead of its
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time, Clippy ahead ahead of its time.
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>> They kill Clippy so hard. We're saying
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Microsoft's ahead of its time, and this
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Siri isn't even out yet, and we're still
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giving it more credit.
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>> Yeah, that ahead of time.
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>> Bring back Clippy. That's all you needed
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to do.
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>> Some people were saying there were
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rumors that we were going to get a beta
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drop that included Siri like this week.
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I would personally prefer if they just
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waited till June and it was one big like
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release announcement because it would be
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more exciting. I think the thing I heard
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was like updated Gemini queries inside
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of like Apple intelligence, but that the
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new Siri would be in iOS 27 cuz like
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they have to drop it at dubdub. Apple
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needs an event for everything except for
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AirPods Max 2 and then
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>> they that's where they're going to drop
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it even though it probably should have
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been dropped at last dubdub even though
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it probably should have been dropped at
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the
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>> 24.
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>> Well, it was dropped at that one and
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then not actually dropped event
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announced and then not dropped at the
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iPhone.
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>> They did drop it. you know,
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>> they dropped the out of they dropped the
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ball.
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>> Yeah. So, I mean, iOS 27 is going to
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come out officially with the iPhone 27.
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So, that would be like a Septemberish
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type of time frame. So, if they announce
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what they're going to do with it in
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summer,
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>> iPhone 18.
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>> Yeah, sorry. iPhone 18, iOS 27. Yeah.
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2027 September.
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>> Correct. Yeah,
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>> that could possibly be the big drop of
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like all the new features. The new Siri,
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everything comes out at once and the new
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phone happens to have a couple other
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We've seen rumors of like new features
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of the iPhone,
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>> but we should get some developers stuff
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in like July, right? When 27 beta comes
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out early.
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>> Well, the beta comes out on the day of
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Dubdub. Like it drops that day.
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>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
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>> Developer beta. Yeah,
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>> developer beta. But like people usually
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aren't allowed to make videos and stuff
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until
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>> Fun fact, you're not technically Okay.
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How how how in the weed should I get
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this?
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>> Let's get weedy right now.
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>> Well, okay. You are not allowed when you
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sign the developer agreement to make
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videos about the developer beta.
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>> Most people don't read that and don't
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care.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But we are in a unique position where we
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have some working relationship with
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Apple and so we try to follow the actual
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rules. And so when the developer beta
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comes out and everyone makes videos
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about the developer beta that they're
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technically not allowed to, but they do
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it anyway. Yeah.
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>> I wait because I agreed to the developer
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agreement and then a month later when
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the public beta comes out, I make a
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video on that using my experience from
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the developer beta.
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>> Right.
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>> On the public beta.
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>> The benefit of Waveform is we can just
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report on everybody else's videos and
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talk about it however we want before
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that.
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>> Look at this.
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>> Exactly. That's that. Um should we do
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the other Apple thing and just get it
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out of the way or what do you think? ads
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in Apple Maps.
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>> Yeah. Okay. Uh Apple's going to allow
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businesses to buy ads in Apple Maps. And
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I can already hear people being like,
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"Wow, Apple Maps is sucky now." Which I
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I still don't like it to be clear. I
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still like Google Maps a lot more.
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Google Maps, you probably don't know
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this, but has had ads for an extremely
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long period of time.
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>> A Google product
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>> with with ads.
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>> It's their main their main money maker.
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That's crazy. Yeah. No, I mean if you go
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on Google Maps right now, you'll just
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see Dunkin Donuts around you without
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trying to search for it.
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>> It's so weird. Oh, is that in Maybe
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that's in ways. I think ways when you're
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just like driving and it's just like,
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>> "Hey, there's a Wendy's right there."
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Okay, cool. I don't care.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it's like your friend pointing out the
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window like, "Hey."
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>> Yeah,
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>> there's a Wendy's right there.
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>> So, it's going to allow people, well,
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people that want to sell ads to have
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suggested places at the top of search
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results. Um, and this is going to be
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based on places that are trending and
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based on your recent searches and it
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will not be associated with your Apple
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account because all of the data is
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stored on device. So, they're still
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trying to be hardcore about security
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about that. And they also say that the
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places that you go to are not shared
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with advertisers.
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Now, that's also what uh Chad GPT said
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when they said that they were going to
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do ads, but um we'll have to see if
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that's true.
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>> What's funny about that is maps is like
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a very personal app. It's like where
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you're going and your location all the
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time. Yeah.
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>> And I do feel like, and this is maybe
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this is a hot take, but everyone loves,
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you know, to talk about I would rather
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have privacy than have
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your maps app, wouldn't you rather have
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personalized ads than like I never drink
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coffee. Why am I still getting Starbucks
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ads everywhere I go? I would rather have
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the personalized ad for the thing that I
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would actually maybe go to than
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constantly get things that are not
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associated with me at all. Yeah, I feel
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like that I would actually appreciate
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that because I might actually go to the
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Jollibee and I would never go to the
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Starbucks that I might get an ad for
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from Apple.
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>> You go to Starbucks a lot for a non-
00:13:50
coffee drinker.
00:13:52
>> Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe that's a bad
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example,
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>> but I just want to say I've never seen
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someone go to Starbucks as often and
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never order coffee.
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>> I think people I just You're big on the
00:14:01
pumpkin bread.
00:14:02
>> The bread is
00:14:04
>> Can I warm it up for you? Yeah.
00:14:06
>> Yes, you can.
00:14:07
>> I think best item at Starbucks is the uh
00:14:09
the thing that has the spinach and the
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feta wrap. the spinach fed app.
00:14:12
>> It's a solid breakfast. Yeah, they got a
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couple breakfast sandwiches. Anyway, my
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point is Google's going to give me ads
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>> based on the way too much that it knows
00:14:22
about me and Apple's going to give me
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ads based on the knowing nothing about
00:14:25
me. And I suspect I'll be more annoyed
00:14:28
by the ones that are for the thing that
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I've never considered going to. That's
00:14:31
kind of the the big question that's been
00:14:33
asked for the last few years cuz when
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Apple dropped the ask app not to track
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feature and then Meta was like wouldn't
00:14:40
you rather that you had more integrated
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and it's like it's kind of I don't know
00:14:43
I I know a lot of people who buy a lot
00:14:45
of things from Instagram ads
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>> so I've never bought anything from an
00:14:49
Instagram ad because I will not let them
00:14:50
win but I know that it can be quite
00:14:54
effective for a lot of people. It
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reminds me of that story of the the
00:14:57
woman who didn't know she was pregnant,
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but Amazon did
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>> because it was surv.
00:15:02
>> Yeah, Target. And then they start
00:15:03
recommending things for they targeted
00:15:05
her, I guess.
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>> It was also a minor. So,
00:15:07
>> I'll be interested in how this pops up.
00:15:09
Is it popping up while you're searching
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for places? Is that taking over the top
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of it? Is it just suggestions when you
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first open Apple Maps? Is like you think
00:15:17
about places like Yelp that were a place
00:15:20
thing and Yelp is just uh destroyed ever
00:15:23
since they did all the like you can pay
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to get
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>> like placed up higher and better reviews
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or whatever.
00:15:30
>> No one cares about Yelp anymore.
00:15:32
>> Yelp has also famously like kind of
00:15:34
exploited PE like businesses and called
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them and be like, "We're going to take
00:15:38
you off of our recommendations if you
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don't pay us." That's Yeah, like there
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are stories about this.
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>> It's crazy. So, yeah, we'll we'll see. I
00:15:45
mean, it's I don't even know how many
00:15:46
people actually use Apple Maps anymore,
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but
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>> Yeah.
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>> Or not anymore, but ever did.
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>> As long as it's clearly marked as an ad
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so I can very quickly skip it, then I'm
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happy. Yeah. So,
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>> that's the hard part though is like what
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if the ad does look really scrumptious
00:16:01
>> then that's a successful
00:16:03
>> I know but how many like like what you
00:16:05
said if you see it say ad I'm usually
00:16:07
like hardwired to skip but then there's
00:16:09
the times where it's like
00:16:10
>> that does sound really good but is this
00:16:12
actually good or is this just an ad
00:16:15
second layer of research of like let me
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click it let me look at the reviews
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>> I'm hungry I'm just trying to eat
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>> I know it's usually I'm trying to
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research
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>> that's why I don't like that's why
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nobody wants ads and maps Like you just
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want to find the thing, go to the thing,
00:16:26
but the ad's going to pop up and be
00:16:27
like, "Hey, what about you want to go to
00:16:28
this other place?" Like, "No, I I
00:16:30
actually opened this app just to go
00:16:31
somewhere else. Thank you very much."
00:16:33
>> It is frustrating. Even Google Maps will
00:16:34
be like, "Best food near me." And it'll
00:16:36
give me like a 4.5 because that that
00:16:39
restaurant like paid for it or whatever.
00:16:40
It's like suggested sponsored result and
00:16:43
it's like gh Yeah. Apple is in this
00:16:44
weird place where it's like slowly
00:16:46
trying to transition towards other
00:16:48
revenue sources because they're scared
00:16:50
of the iPhone making less money over
00:16:51
time and
00:16:52
>> all these things happening and uh you
00:16:55
know they can't retain as many people as
00:16:57
they want on their other services. So
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that
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>> this will come up again later in this
00:17:00
podcast.
00:17:00
>> Oh it will yeah it will it will for
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shadowing.
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>> We'll see how that happens.
00:17:05
>> Marquez, what are you more excited about
00:17:07
the a Samsung A series or flighty?
00:17:11
>> Is that is that a question?
00:17:13
Real question lips when we were flighty
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>> before we started before we started
00:17:18
recording I was like I think flighty is
00:17:20
like top five app of all time
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>> insane take
00:17:23
>> and it's not like a multi it's not
00:17:24
multiplatform it's not like a very broad
00:17:27
thing that everyone can use not
00:17:28
everybody flies enough to give any hoots
00:17:30
about flighty but if you do fly a loty
00:17:34
is goated and everybody who flies a lot
00:17:36
knows that so it's weirdly and it's
00:17:37
tucked away in the corner of like hey do
00:17:39
you fly a lot no question about it this
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app is unbelievably useful That will be
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a flighty ad by Monday.
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>> Sorry, it's just facts. Anyway, they uh
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No, they just announced another thing.
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So, kind of like I'm I'm describing it
00:17:51
as like ways for airports. They're
00:17:53
calling it airport intelligence. And
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essentially what it does is it allows
00:17:57
you a broader view of like what's going
00:18:00
on with airports in general. So,
00:18:01
Flighty, for those who don't know, is
00:18:02
like a flight tracker app. You put in
00:18:04
your flight information. It tells you
00:18:05
everything you need to know about your
00:18:06
flight as you're about to fly, while
00:18:08
you're flying. As soon as you land, it
00:18:10
tells you where your baggage is going to
00:18:11
be. If it's delayed, it tells you why
00:18:13
it's delayed before the airline usually
00:18:14
does all this stuff. It's super useful.
00:18:16
So, airport intelligence is like, let's
00:18:20
say hypothetically there's some
00:18:22
something going on with airports in your
00:18:24
area.
00:18:24
>> Allegedly.
00:18:25
>> Yeah, allegedly. This could happen.
00:18:27
Maybe
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>> the timing for this release is
00:18:30
>> perfect.
00:18:30
>> It's really good timing. Yeah.
00:18:32
>> Uh, so something weird's going on at an
00:18:33
airport in your area and it's affecting
00:18:35
like kind of all flights and you're
00:18:37
flying tomorrow and you just kind of
00:18:38
want to get an idea of like maybe I
00:18:40
should go to security check-in like 2 or
00:18:42
3 hours early for example. Just a
00:18:45
hypothetical. You would be able to look
00:18:46
at the airports in your area and look at
00:18:49
their status in this which is sort of
00:18:51
aggregating a bunch of data I assume
00:18:53
from flighty users and from you know the
00:18:54
FAA and everything contributing to one
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spot kind of like ways and you can get
00:18:59
an idea of if the airport in question is
00:19:01
affected or not and make your decision
00:19:02
accordingly. So again as someone who
00:19:05
flies a lot another useful feature I
00:19:07
will be happily using this. It is kind
00:19:08
of slow right now I assume because it
00:19:10
just launched but it is full of
00:19:13
information about every airport. I'm
00:19:14
It's crazy that they launched this
00:19:16
before the FAA did, but
00:19:18
>> I think that's the least surprising
00:19:20
thing.
00:19:20
>> I mean, yeah, true. Yeah. There was an
00:19:23
interview with the United CEO like a
00:19:25
year ago and they're like they asked
00:19:26
him, "What is one thing that you wish
00:19:28
that you did to like update your tech
00:19:30
stack earlier?" And he said, "I wish we
00:19:31
bought Flighty."
00:19:32
>> Wow.
00:19:33
>> Like he specifically said that. He was
00:19:34
like, "They're doing insanely good
00:19:35
things." And I have made I think they've
00:19:37
made them offers and they said no.
00:19:39
>> Yeah. Every time I fly, I get the my
00:19:41
iPhone has the live activity for the
00:19:43
United app and for flighty and I
00:19:45
immediately dismiss the United one
00:19:47
because I just use the flighty one.
00:19:48
>> You should just not allow it to send you
00:19:50
notifications.
00:19:51
>> Yeah. Well, I also click on it for my
00:19:52
boarding pass. That's the one thing I
00:19:53
have the United app for though is the
00:19:55
boarding pass. Everything else I I just
00:19:56
get from flighty.
00:19:57
>> Wait, did they even test this United
00:19:59
boarding pass? If you have multiple
00:20:00
people on the reservation and you are
00:20:03
not the first one, if you have like your
00:20:04
boarding pass up and ready and then lock
00:20:06
your phone waiting in line and then come
00:20:08
up, it resets back to the first one.
00:20:11
I've scanned adamant before on business
00:20:13
trips and then we have to figure out
00:20:15
which one I did wrong.
00:20:16
>> Yeah.
00:20:17
>> Terrible. United.
00:20:18
>> Yeah.
00:20:19
>> Should be able to pin your boarding
00:20:20
pass.
00:20:21
>> Yeah. You should be able to have your
00:20:22
boarding pass in flighty.
00:20:24
>> You should be able to what?
00:20:25
>> Be able to have your boarding pass in
00:20:26
flighty.
00:20:26
>> Oh
00:20:28
yeah. Why? Why? Why can't we do that?
00:20:30
There's probably a reason why we can't
00:20:31
do that.
00:20:31
>> Because they want you to use their app.
00:20:33
>> Yeah, probably.
00:20:33
>> That's probably why.
00:20:34
>> Anyway, so that's that. The other thing
00:20:36
that you mentioned, Andrew, is Samsung
00:20:37
dropping the new A series of phones. Uh
00:20:39
I only put this in here cuz I thought it
00:20:41
was just a note and interesting that
00:20:42
they all have the same battery size.
00:20:44
>> These aren't notes. So, yeah. So, it's
00:20:46
the Samsung A57 and A37. The A37 will be
00:20:49
449. The A57 will be 5.49. So, these are
00:20:53
like your mid-range fighters. is we've
00:20:54
seen a lot of phones coming out at these
00:20:55
price points and they look just like the
00:20:58
rest of the Samsung S series phones like
00:21:01
S26s. They look like they have triple
00:21:02
cameras, but one of them is a macro
00:21:04
camera. You know, they make the
00:21:05
appropriate cuts to reach these price
00:21:07
points. But the one thing they did is
00:21:08
they both have 5,000 mAh batteries,
00:21:11
which is the same size as the S26 Ultra.
00:21:14
So, the $1,200 phone has a 5,000 mAh
00:21:17
battery and the $450 phone also has a
00:21:21
5,000 mAh battery. It's one of those
00:21:22
things where you're like really pumped
00:21:24
for the cheap phone and really bummed
00:21:26
for the expensive phone.
00:21:27
>> Pretty much.
00:21:27
>> It's like hard to complain about this
00:21:28
because I'm so happy that the mid-range
00:21:30
phones are getting that.
00:21:32
>> Yeah.
00:21:32
>> But you got to take that as a kick in
00:21:34
the teeth if you bought the 26 Ultra.
00:21:36
>> Yeah. You can't That's It's I I said in
00:21:38
my review so I don't have to harp on it
00:21:40
again, but that is maybe the least Ultra
00:21:42
Ultra phone right now. Yeah.
00:21:43
>> This is the S26 Ultra.
00:21:44
>> Back to the S20 days. S20 Ultra.
00:21:47
>> Great phone. I I told I I told it like
00:21:49
it is in the review, but yeah, as far as
00:21:51
the word ultra concerned,
00:21:52
>> Adam, did you purchase another phone?
00:21:55
>> The S26 Ultra.
00:21:57
>> He had it last. What color was it? It
00:21:58
was a different color that I seen.
00:21:59
>> It's black.
00:22:00
>> Yeah, the black.
00:22:00
>> Yeah, the black one.
00:22:01
>> Yeah, I had the like purple.
00:22:02
>> How long do you plan to stay on that?
00:22:04
>> Till the iPhone allegedly folds.
00:22:07
>> We'll see.
00:22:08
>> Interesting. That's that I don't think
00:22:09
that's going to happen. I think you're
00:22:10
going to change earlier.
00:22:12
>> Definitely.
00:22:12
>> Possibly.
00:22:13
>> I thought you were going to say till my
00:22:14
next shipment comes in of whatever I
00:22:16
ordered yesterday. Yeah. Well, you could
00:22:18
buy that or you could buy a MacBook Neo.
00:22:22
So, choose wisely
00:22:24
>> for 1,200 bucks.
00:22:25
>> No, the the the cheap one.
00:22:28
>> Oh. Oh, yeah. The cheap Yeah, that's
00:22:30
crazy. Yeah, you can buy that or a Neo.
00:22:32
That's wild.
00:22:32
>> Speaking of the MacBook Neo, you want to
00:22:34
talk about this Windows 11 problem?
00:22:36
>> Yeah, we can do this before it breaks.
00:22:37
So, uh recent video on the channel will
00:22:39
be live by the time you see this, which
00:22:41
is just talking about the Windows laptop
00:22:44
problem. This was inspired by the two
00:22:47
Mac laptops that I've tested most
00:22:49
recently, the MacBook Neo, their 599,499
00:22:53
mid-range fighter, and the M5 Max
00:22:56
MacBook Pro, which I've also tested. I
00:22:59
was running all my benchmarks on it. It
00:23:00
had like 18,000 megaby per second SSD
00:23:04
read and write speeds, which is crazy.
00:23:06
It has benchmarked multi-core, higher
00:23:08
than any other Mac ever, including the
00:23:10
Mac Pro and M3 Ultra. It has GPU scores
00:23:13
matching M3 Ultra, which is insane. This
00:23:15
is a Max chip in a laptop. So, I'm
00:23:18
actually thinking like this is now a
00:23:20
laptop that could actually replace my
00:23:23
Mac Pro and be my desktop. I might be
00:23:25
that guy at some point.
00:23:27
>> But having all these thoughts also made
00:23:29
me think, well, what's going on in
00:23:31
Windows land? Like, what is actually the
00:23:32
equivalent of, you know, the highest end
00:23:35
laptop you could get? And could it be
00:23:36
the desktop that I choose to use? How
00:23:38
good are those laptops? And so that had
00:23:40
me digging into like, okay, what's going
00:23:42
on with XPS? What's going on with Razer
00:23:45
Blades? What's going on also with the
00:23:46
Neo competitors? I bought a $550 Acer
00:23:48
laptop. We tested that. And essentially
00:23:51
conclusion I came to was Apple's Apple
00:23:53
Silicon Advantage and their vertical
00:23:55
integration.
00:23:55
>> Yeah.
00:23:56
>> Is a huge advantage at the high end for
00:23:58
efficiency and performance. And it turns
00:24:00
out to also be a huge advantage at the
00:24:02
low end for cost.
00:24:04
>> Yeah. And the cherry on top is that
00:24:06
Apple doesn't actually really need to
00:24:08
make a ton of money on Neo's on the
00:24:11
hardware margin services
00:24:12
>> because it is it's basically as I said
00:24:14
in the video like a Trojan horse for new
00:24:17
Apple customers which then will spend
00:24:20
way more on software on services on
00:24:24
Apple Care on Apple TV on Apple Creative
00:24:26
Studio all these other things. So they
00:24:28
don't have to make the $100 on the
00:24:30
hardware margin, but they will make a
00:24:32
ton of money over time on just getting a
00:24:34
new person to be a Mac user.
00:24:35
>> This is the entire Chromebook play. It
00:24:37
was get people on Google services when
00:24:39
they're 5 years old so that they will
00:24:41
use services for the rest of their life.
00:24:43
>> Yeah.
00:24:43
>> Yeah.
00:24:44
>> So it was interesting to sort of see
00:24:46
that in real time and just like put the
00:24:48
machines next to each other and be like,
00:24:49
"Oh yeah, they they can make just a
00:24:51
straight up better laptop for the same
00:24:53
price and that's going to get people to
00:24:55
become first time Mac people." I mean, a
00:24:57
Windows computer has parts from a ton of
00:24:59
different companies, and every single
00:25:01
one of those companies has to make
00:25:02
margin.
00:25:03
>> That's literally the main problem.
00:25:06
>> Disadvantage off the riff, like having
00:25:08
to do that. And
00:25:09
>> that bites, it's the same. It's like
00:25:12
similar with Android phones, it's
00:25:13
similar with uh tablets. It's just like
00:25:16
when Apple has the full integration
00:25:17
through, they there's a benefit there.
00:25:19
Even just like making software on
00:25:21
mobile, right? Like we see all the time,
00:25:22
if you're making iOS software,
00:25:25
>> you don't have to do it that hard. But
00:25:27
if you're making Android software, it
00:25:29
has to fit
00:25:30
>> a thousand
00:25:31
>> like thousands of thousands of tens of
00:25:33
thousands of different like form factors
00:25:35
and phones and resolutions and aspects.
00:25:37
>> That's why Google has been so hardcore
00:25:39
about just trying to make Android so
00:25:40
flexible with screen sizes and stuff.
00:25:42
>> And that's part of the advantage, right?
00:25:44
Is there is a choice. Like in Android
00:25:46
land, if I really, really, really care
00:25:48
about having 8K video, well, there is no
00:25:50
iPhone that can do that. So, if I just
00:25:52
want to choose a phone that can shoot 8K
00:25:54
video, you can find that in Android
00:25:55
land. You can find all sorts of other
00:25:57
different things you might care about
00:25:58
like a folding screen or whatever in
00:26:00
Android land. Yeah.
00:26:01
>> But the couple of phones that Apple
00:26:03
makes are like locked in, super tightly
00:26:05
integrated, and you might not be super
00:26:07
used to the way they do things, but they
00:26:09
do it the same way every single time.
00:26:11
So, you you kind of just get used to
00:26:12
that when you're in that ecosystem.
00:26:14
>> Yeah. And yeah, that's kind of the same
00:26:15
thing with Windows. Now, in this sort of
00:26:18
latest generation, this is the nuance of
00:26:19
it is yes, you depend on all these
00:26:22
different companies who make the parts
00:26:24
to your computer to all make their
00:26:26
margin, but also make a good piece.
00:26:29
You have to have to make a great Windows
00:26:31
laptop, several different companies all
00:26:33
executing and firing all cylinders at
00:26:34
the same time for your one computer to
00:26:36
be good. So if you're Dell and you make
00:26:38
the XPS like I showed, you're also
00:26:41
depending on Intel to be making a good
00:26:43
chip at that time, which they are. And
00:26:46
you know, you're Dell, you have to make
00:26:47
a good computer with a good screen and a
00:26:49
good keyboard and all that stuff, which
00:26:50
they are. And you need Windows to be
00:26:53
good.
00:26:56
>> I'm fine with Windows. I like Windows.
00:26:58
>> Yeah. So, Windows 11 is in kind of a
00:26:59
weird place because not everybody's
00:27:01
loving Windows 11. I do not I haven't
00:27:04
used Windows since Windows 10 and I was
00:27:06
jumping into Windows 11 again and I set
00:27:08
up this XPS. It took me 45 minutes to
00:27:09
set it up.
00:27:10
>> The setup is sufferable.
00:27:12
>> There were mandatory downloading updates
00:27:14
and stuff. Once I got through the
00:27:15
updates, it was like sign into this,
00:27:16
sign into that, download Microsoft 365,
00:27:18
do you want to use Copilot? Do you want
00:27:20
recall on? Do you want all these other
00:27:21
things? And I was like, no, no, no, no,
00:27:23
no. All this stuff it was asking me. And
00:27:25
then I finally got in to my clean
00:27:26
install of Windows and then I got a
00:27:27
popup for McAfee to be installed.
00:27:29
>> And this is this is the other thing. The
00:27:31
only other way that these manufacturers
00:27:33
that make the laptops can make the
00:27:35
laptops cheap enough to even be
00:27:36
competitive at all is that they have to
00:27:38
put a bunch of bloatware on it. They
00:27:39
have to get more.
00:27:40
>> Yeah. I mean, we see this on Android
00:27:42
phones, too. Like the Android phones
00:27:43
that come with Facebook installed and
00:27:44
come with Instagram installed. They
00:27:46
don't do that out of the kindness of
00:27:47
their heart. They do that because Meta
00:27:49
pays them to do that.
00:27:50
>> So, yeah, it's just it's not a good
00:27:52
situation for anybody else. And
00:27:54
Microsoft really they tried to do the
00:27:56
vertical integration with the Surface
00:27:58
but I just they're such a B2B company
00:28:01
that it's such an afterthought for them.
00:28:02
We saw this with the Pixel for a very
00:28:04
long time. The the Nexus program the
00:28:06
Pixel Tensor
00:28:07
>> Google didn't really care about the
00:28:09
Pixel and they still don't really care.
00:28:11
They're trying to care more and the
00:28:12
Pixels are really good now. They're
00:28:14
really really good now but it still
00:28:16
doesn't have quite the level of vertical
00:28:19
integration that they would like. And
00:28:20
even if they achieved it, they're in
00:28:22
this weird spot where they make Android
00:28:24
for everyone else. Yeah.
00:28:26
>> So they're competing against all of
00:28:28
that.
00:28:28
>> Yeah.
00:28:29
>> While also providing them with the OS.
00:28:30
So this happens in in Google land
00:28:34
because they make the Pixel and Tensor
00:28:35
and they're all vertically integrated
00:28:36
and they'll give the Pixel exclusive
00:28:38
Android features and now they're
00:28:39
competing against every other Android
00:28:40
phone. Same thing happened with Windows
00:28:43
and Microsoft and Surface and making
00:28:45
this beautifully ideally very vertically
00:28:47
integrated thing. Now you're competing
00:28:49
against all your other OEMs trying to
00:28:51
make good Windows machines. And maybe
00:28:52
that's like a lead by example type
00:28:54
thing,
00:28:55
>> but it just it never went well.
00:28:56
>> Yeah.
00:28:57
>> And the funny thing about the the the
00:28:58
Google Android features thing is that
00:29:00
they also want to make Android a popular
00:29:02
OS to compete with iOS. And so they have
00:29:05
to eventually give a lot of these
00:29:07
features to the the broader Android
00:29:08
ecosystem. And that's why Google does
00:29:10
this awkward thing where they have Pixel
00:29:12
exclusive features for like 2 months and
00:29:14
then it goes to every other Android
00:29:15
phone because they need other people to
00:29:17
want to use Android in general. It's
00:29:19
also why they had that weird bromance
00:29:20
with Samsung for such a long time.
00:29:22
>> Yeah.
00:29:23
>> You look like you really want to say
00:29:24
something.
00:29:24
>> I I've just been fighting a Windows PC
00:29:26
all week and and like to be honest I I
00:29:30
it's all tinfoil hat stuff like because
00:29:32
it's a Windows PC that on paper has a
00:29:36
really good graphics card and a really
00:29:37
good pro or you know good enough
00:29:38
graphics card and a good enough
00:29:39
processor but like and we didn't build
00:29:42
this PC and it it sort of is the things
00:29:44
that you know you I think you've been
00:29:46
talking about Marquez like like it's for
00:29:48
a video we're working on that involves
00:29:50
this like peripheral device that
00:29:52
connects via USB 3.0 know and it keeps
00:29:55
crashing all the time and I couldn't
00:29:56
figure out why it kept crashing. And my
00:29:58
working theory right now and I haven't
00:30:00
like tested this so again it's tinfoil
00:30:01
hat is that the USB 3.0 ports on this
00:30:05
computer are just not USB 3.0 ports.
00:30:08
That that's my best guess cuz when you
00:30:10
and the USB 3.2 ports are USB 3.0 part
00:30:13
ports and it's like there's no way the
00:30:16
company who built this PC,
00:30:18
you know, they didn't build the the
00:30:20
ports. They definitely got the the USB
00:30:22
IO box like from
00:30:23
>> the motherboard.
00:30:24
>> Yeah. From someone else. But it's like
00:30:26
that is sort of what you're talking
00:30:27
about. It's like you need all or like
00:30:29
for some reason not a single Bluetooth
00:30:32
keyboard will connect to this PC. Not
00:30:34
one. There's there's one Logitech
00:30:36
keyboard in the whole office that will
00:30:37
connect for 30 seconds and then
00:30:39
immediately disconnect. And the rest of
00:30:41
And it's not like I haven't tried all
00:30:43
100 Bluetooth keyboards that are in the
00:30:46
office.
00:30:46
>> Where could those be?
00:30:47
>> Where could those have come from? So I
00:30:49
just this is all ringing very true.
00:30:51
>> It also is shaped like a shoe.
00:30:52
>> Well, I was trying not to I don't know
00:30:54
if that any of these are the problems I
00:30:56
don't want out.
00:30:57
>> There's a chance like that computer
00:30:59
doesn't get used very often. There might
00:31:01
be some driver updates that are in there
00:31:02
that we haven't like dug that deep into
00:31:04
where like it was dormant for a while.
00:31:06
So totally
00:31:08
>> some are probably that, but some are
00:31:09
also like it should be easy to figure
00:31:10
out what those problems are.
00:31:11
>> Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to
00:31:12
accuse anyone of counterfeit USB ports,
00:31:15
but I genuinely cannot I'm at the point
00:31:18
now where I'm like, why why does the USB
00:31:21
3.0 cable not get USB 3.0 speeds until
00:31:24
it's in the 3.2 port? Why does the 3.0
00:31:28
port not give 3.0 speeds?
00:31:30
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:31
>> What?
00:31:32
>> Yeah.
00:31:33
>> Sorry, I was looking into the eyes of
00:31:34
your hat for a second.
00:31:36
>> Yeah, I should probably address this.
00:31:37
This is Franklin, the mascot of the
00:31:39
Philadelphia 76ers. Thank you to fan
00:31:41
Michael for the sick hat. I'm going to
00:31:43
be wearing this the whole
00:31:44
>> Why do they have a cat as the mascot?
00:31:45
>> It's a dog. His name is Franklin.
00:31:47
>> That is a cat a thousand%.
00:31:49
>> Is Franklin a turtle?
00:31:50
>> Has whiskers.
00:31:50
>> Franklin is Benjamin Franklin, the
00:31:53
founding father. That's half of the
00:31:55
things in Philadelphia.
00:31:56
>> A dog.
00:31:57
>> Benjamin Franklin was in fact
00:31:59
>> What number president was he?
00:32:00
>> He was president number six. And he when
00:32:02
he signed the Declaration of
00:32:03
Independence, it was a paw print.
00:32:06
>> He got that dog in him.
00:32:07
>> Cat print. Um um
00:32:09
>> to bring it back, I think the the best
00:32:12
way
00:32:15
>> I didn't notice that.
00:32:16
>> I feel like the best way if you really
00:32:19
want an example of the difference
00:32:20
between like the vertical integration in
00:32:22
Apple and the vertical integration in
00:32:24
Android Windows. go on our Apple and go
00:32:27
on our Android and watch everyone in
00:32:29
Apple is just generally mad at the same
00:32:31
thing where everyone in Android is mad
00:32:33
at each other because even though
00:32:34
they're all using Android, they're all
00:32:36
fans of different companies of phones
00:32:39
and they all hate each other. It is just
00:32:42
the wildest infighting ever. And like
00:32:45
>> now imagine all of those different
00:32:47
people need to work together and build
00:32:48
something and it's just
00:32:49
>> and and to be fair like
00:32:51
>> I'm a full Android and Windows user at
00:32:53
home by the way. I only use Apple stuff
00:32:55
that work.
00:32:55
>> I like Android better than iOS by far.
00:32:58
And there's a great piece by David
00:33:00
Pierce. He uh he tried to use Android
00:33:02
for like the last four months and he
00:33:04
used a bunch of different phones and he
00:33:06
really liked the Fairphone 6, but it
00:33:07
doesn't work on Verizon, so he couldn't
00:33:09
do it. But um he went back to iOS
00:33:12
because his conclusion was effectively
00:33:14
phones are app machines and iOS has
00:33:17
better apps and he relies on too many
00:33:20
iOS apps to go back to Android which
00:33:22
sucks because Android is a way better
00:33:23
OS.
00:33:24
>> Well, I I want to play devil's advocate
00:33:25
cuz as someone who's like fully Apple,
00:33:27
you know, ecosystemed up. There are a
00:33:30
lot of these like vertically integrated
00:33:31
things in the Apple world that are like
00:33:34
not supported to the degree they should
00:33:37
be. Like Free Form has like six updates
00:33:40
that they just need to add. Like there's
00:33:44
just no excuse why Free Form doesn't
00:33:46
have these things, but I just don't
00:33:47
think they care enough about Free Form
00:33:49
to
00:33:50
>> to do it. And there's a bunch or like
00:33:52
why does the Apple Mail app still kind
00:33:55
of blow you?
00:33:57
>> So, you know what I mean? It's
00:33:59
>> when you're just the default and you get
00:34:00
to be the default thing for
00:34:02
>> what 80% market share of the US. Like,
00:34:05
why change?
00:34:06
>> Why update it? Yeah. Yeah. But like why
00:34:07
is it so hard to rotate something on the
00:34:10
desktop version of free form and why is
00:34:13
it so hard to select multiple objects on
00:34:14
the mobile version of free form?
00:34:16
>> I would like to see the user base for
00:34:17
free form.
00:34:18
>> It's me.
00:34:19
>> Yeah. I just
00:34:22
your average Apple user. There's
00:34:24
definitely some people who hate Apple
00:34:27
screenshotting you in that hat right
00:34:29
now. like average.
00:34:32
There's also it's kind of like either
00:34:34
that or the massive graveyard of stuff
00:34:37
that Google tries and then just kills a
00:34:39
year later.
00:34:40
>> So, it's like would I rather have the
00:34:42
kind of weak updates, but at least it
00:34:44
works the same way every time on one
00:34:46
side of the fence or like
00:34:48
>> Google launching an app and me going, I
00:34:50
don't think I want to switch to this
00:34:51
because I don't trust them to even keep
00:34:53
this alive for a year.
00:34:54
>> RIP inbox, bro. So true. So it yeah
00:34:57
>> there's choice on one side but there's
00:34:58
the upside and downside of that choice.
00:35:00
>> Also there's at least six free form
00:35:02
users because there are several things
00:35:03
that I force my friends to do on free
00:35:06
form with
00:35:06
>> me vacations. Free form is excellent for
00:35:09
that.
00:35:10
>> This whole conversation is also negating
00:35:12
people who have like very specific needs
00:35:14
that software-wise or like needs to be
00:35:17
on a Windows machine, needs to be on
00:35:18
Android, needs to be on iOS like we're
00:35:20
talking outside of that because clearly
00:35:22
then you only have one option. Almost
00:35:24
every business distributes Windows
00:35:25
computers.
00:35:26
>> I think that's a big part of the
00:35:27
equation for like why they are where
00:35:29
they are. Especially because like you
00:35:30
talk about like David having like he
00:35:32
come from an iPhone so he's already
00:35:34
plugged in and use a lot of iPhone only
00:35:36
apps. There's a lot of people who play a
00:35:38
certain game that you can't play on Mac
00:35:39
or there are people who use certain
00:35:40
softwares for their business that are
00:35:42
just only Windows XP. Like that that's a
00:35:45
real thing where okay now Windows XP has
00:35:47
a massive market share because that's
00:35:48
still stable and that's the thing that
00:35:49
we use and that's where our apps are.
00:35:51
So, like if your dependencies or you're
00:35:53
plugged into one specific thing, like
00:35:55
I'm a Mac user. I you not because I
00:35:58
switched to Final Cut Pro.
00:35:59
>> Yeah.
00:35:59
>> That is why I started using a Mac.
00:36:01
>> Yeah.
00:36:02
>> And now here we are a decade later and
00:36:04
I'm I'm in the ecosystem and they got
00:36:06
me.
00:36:06
>> That's that's the point of Neo. That's
00:36:08
the point of like all these other, you
00:36:09
know, feelers is to just get a device in
00:36:12
front of you that gives you options and
00:36:15
hopefully you like one of those things
00:36:16
and then you are sucked into that
00:36:17
ecosystem.
00:36:18
>> Yeah. And I I was the lead reviewer at
00:36:19
Android Authority for 5 years. I didn't
00:36:21
use an iPhone until the iPhone 13 when I
00:36:24
reviewed it. And I didn't switch to an
00:36:25
iPhone till the iPhone 15 because I had
00:36:27
USBC. I would have never touched an
00:36:29
Apple device and all of my dependencies
00:36:32
were in Android. Like I I could use my
00:36:34
world. People were Nobody texted cuz
00:36:36
when I lived in the Bay Area, everyone
00:36:38
used Facebook Messenger. But then I
00:36:40
moved here and now I swear I am in so
00:36:43
many iMessage group chats that every
00:36:44
time I test an Android phone, they bully
00:36:46
the out. Now look at you. What have they
00:36:48
done to our lad?
00:36:49
>> I know. And I know that you say that's
00:36:51
not a real problem,
00:36:52
>> but bullying is real. Okay. I don't like
00:36:55
crying. Do you like crying?
00:36:57
>> It sucks.
00:36:58
>> You should uh we should get on Group Me.
00:37:00
>> Oh my god.
00:37:01
>> Fun fact.
00:37:02
>> Oh my god.
00:37:02
>> Worst app of all time.
00:37:04
>> F first messaging app of the MKBHD
00:37:06
business.
00:37:07
>> When Brandon and Vince started the
00:37:09
group.
00:37:10
>> Well, because Marquez and I were in a
00:37:11
group me for our both of our ultimate
00:37:13
team. Every frisbee team I've played for
00:37:14
for 15 years until like last year it was
00:37:17
a group me that was the most like
00:37:20
feature not an app app of all time.
00:37:23
>> It's genuinely I was talking about
00:37:24
flighty being one of the five best group
00:37:26
me is one of the five worst apps
00:37:29
>> of all time.
00:37:29
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:31
>> I want to make one final note rel
00:37:33
related to this and then we can take it
00:37:34
to break on the Windows uh 11 thing.
00:37:37
Dave 2D put out a really good video um
00:37:40
recently about this. And the kind of the
00:37:42
gist of this was that a number of years
00:37:44
ago, like five or six years ago, he had
00:37:47
all of the Windows manufacturers uh send
00:37:50
him laptops that were in the same price
00:37:52
range as the Apple M1 Air, I believe,
00:37:55
>> so he could compare them. And all these
00:37:57
manufacturers like, "Sure, like, here's
00:37:59
our laptop that's that price." And then
00:38:01
he asked all the same manufacturers this
00:38:03
year to send him laptops that were in
00:38:05
the same price range. And they were all
00:38:06
like, "No."
00:38:09
>> And I feel like that kind of distills
00:38:12
the entire thing. That's all you really
00:38:14
need to know. They're all afraid.
00:38:16
>> They knew the video he was going to
00:38:17
make.
00:38:17
>> It was going to make it look negative.
00:38:18
Yeah. It was going to make it look
00:38:19
terrible. They didn't really know at the
00:38:20
time how insane M1 was, but they still
00:38:23
feel five to six years behind at this
00:38:25
point. So, it's it's crazy. Yeah. So, go
00:38:28
watch the video if you haven't already.
00:38:30
I want to say something nice about
00:38:31
Windows because everyone always tells me
00:38:33
I'm too mean to my Windows Green bubble
00:38:36
people. I know those are two separate
00:38:37
things.
00:38:37
>> Windows Green Bubble
00:38:38
>> to me, you're the same. But
00:38:40
>> yeah, that's fair.
00:38:41
>> Something nice about Windows.
00:38:43
>> I like that they support old graphics
00:38:46
engines. I like that I can still get a
00:38:49
DirectX driver that runs on a modern
00:38:52
>> Windows motherboard. I think that's
00:38:54
cool. Apple does not do that. pre
00:38:57
pre-metal stuff very hard to run on Mac
00:38:59
OS.
00:39:00
>> DirectX stuff very easy to run on a
00:39:02
Windows computer.
00:39:03
>> Pre- metal we use like rocks and fire.
00:39:05
So
00:39:05
>> yes, I that was the name of the old
00:39:08
Apple graphics engine actually. Rocks
00:39:09
and fire.
00:39:10
>> Hell yeah.
00:39:11
>> Yeah. Steve Jobs was super against it.
00:39:13
>> Yeah. And then when uh and then when
00:39:15
Johnny IV came in and he said aluminium
00:39:17
and they knew it had to be metal. That's
00:39:19
a great place to jump to trivia.
00:39:23
What was the old graphics driver of
00:39:25
Apple
00:39:26
>> rocks and fire?
00:39:27
>> Today we're doing a number question and
00:39:29
it's Delta, not Prices, right? Rules.
00:39:31
>> Is it United?
00:39:33
>> No, it's Delta.
00:39:34
>> We'll talk about United later.
00:39:36
>> Yeah, we will. Will we?
00:39:37
>> Yes.
00:39:37
>> Oh.
00:39:38
>> Uh, I thought
00:39:38
>> I think we lost our chance to talk about
00:39:40
United.
00:39:40
>> Oh,
00:39:41
>> yeah. Also,
00:39:42
>> we don't have to talk about it.
00:39:43
>> That's really cool. But they're like the
00:39:44
seventh airline to do that. So, I was
00:39:46
sort of like, why are we freaking out
00:39:47
about this?
00:39:48
>> Skyap. It's called mingling beds
00:39:51
>> in in regular class.
00:39:52
>> Yeah.
00:39:52
>> Oh yeah.
00:39:53
>> I thought that was like a super super
00:39:54
premium crazy fe.
00:39:56
>> No. No. Most other airlines just call it
00:39:57
I the first one that did it.
00:39:59
>> I don't know what you're talking about.
00:40:00
>> The Okay. United was like United was
00:40:03
like guys you could get a whole row.
00:40:05
>> Yeah.
00:40:06
>> And then we'll like we'll like you can
00:40:08
turn it into a bed
00:40:08
>> and relax row. Relax row.
00:40:10
>> Relax row. Other airlines called Sky
00:40:12
Couch. I think Jet Jet Blue does this
00:40:15
too. A bunch of the European airlines do
00:40:16
it. This is not like a new
00:40:18
groundbreaking thing. This is like a
00:40:20
United catching up sort of thing.
00:40:21
>> They pretended it was.
00:40:22
>> Anyway, well, of course, it's a business
00:40:24
thing. But anyway, today's trivia
00:40:26
question is,
00:40:27
>> yeah,
00:40:28
>> Delta, how many Wikipedia pages have the
00:40:32
title Apple TV?
00:40:36
>> H
00:40:38
>> I'm assuming it counts if it's like
00:40:39
Apple TV parenthesis something.
00:40:42
>> And and and I'm only accepting Apple
00:40:44
space TV, by the way. Those that exact
00:40:47
set of was that nine characters in a
00:40:49
space.
00:40:50
>> What about like would Apple TV Plus
00:40:52
count?
00:40:53
>> Seven characters in a space
00:40:54
>> or does it just have to be Apple TV?
00:40:56
>> A ple e space TV and then something in
00:41:00
parenthesis?
00:41:01
>> H.
00:41:01
>> Oh,
00:41:02
>> how many Wikipedia pages have that exact
00:41:04
title?
00:41:05
>> Damn. Delta.
00:41:06
>> Pretty good question.
00:41:07
>> Can we do a quick shout out?
00:41:08
>> Yeah,
00:41:08
>> sure.
00:41:09
>> Someone on our subreddit watched
00:41:10
Waveform at a planetarium at their
00:41:13
university. It was so cool. I kind of
00:41:15
want to know what that sounded like. It
00:41:17
was probably
00:41:18
>> like a bee's ass,
00:41:19
>> dude. I bet. No, I sounded amazing. I
00:41:21
was
00:41:22
>> probably the opposite.
00:41:22
>> When I worked at Liberty Science Center,
00:41:23
the planetarium was sick. And it was
00:41:26
also it sounded really good. I don't
00:41:28
remember why I remember it sounded
00:41:29
really good. But the videos that they
00:41:31
played cuz everything's it's like you're
00:41:32
looking up, everything's around your
00:41:34
speakers everywhere.
00:41:35
>> Your visual field is making that sound
00:41:37
better.
00:41:38
>> Yeah. At least my memory of it was that
00:41:39
it sounded.
00:41:40
>> I really hope they played the episode
00:41:42
where Andrew says he can't name all the
00:41:44
planets.
00:41:46
>> I just I wish he stretched it. I wish
00:41:48
there was a stretch to fit somehow
00:41:50
because seeing one of our giant faces
00:41:53
circular like over top.
00:41:55
>> That is what it felt like to watch
00:41:56
Project Hail Mary in the front row in 70
00:41:58
mm.
00:41:58
>> Oh man, I've seen the the clips of like
00:42:00
Oenheimer from the front row and just
00:42:02
like crimson shin.
00:42:04
>> I watched Oppenheimer from the front row
00:42:05
and I watched Project Hell Mary from the
00:42:07
front row.
00:42:07
>> Amaze. Amazing. Amazing. Amaze.
00:42:09
>> Shout out to that person on our
00:42:10
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Codewave. All right, welcome back. Uh
00:43:25
there is some news of a product that was
00:43:28
killed, but not by Google.
00:43:30
>> Big day. It was uh killed by OpenAI.
00:43:32
It's called Sora.
00:43:33
>> Thank God.
00:43:34
>> Ring a bell. Anyone Anyone remember Sora
00:43:36
from a couple months ago? I actually
00:43:37
remember making a video when Sora first
00:43:39
came out.
00:43:39
>> We've made two, I think.
00:43:40
>> Yeah. Two now at this point of uh their
00:43:42
video generation models. Generate
00:43:46
models. Generate video slop. Yeah. But
00:43:48
it would get higher and higher quality
00:43:49
over time. And I remember the first
00:43:51
videos from Sora, you know, they were,
00:43:53
you know, Will Smith eating spaghetti
00:43:55
but like higher fidelity than before.
00:43:56
And it got better and better and it
00:43:58
costs more and more and more and then
00:44:01
OpenAI was like this costs too much.
00:44:04
>> Yeah.
00:44:04
>> And I'm glad they made that realization
00:44:06
because I mean there's other video
00:44:08
generation models out there but Sora was
00:44:10
like the big one that everybody knows
00:44:12
about from OpenAI and they made the
00:44:14
decision to kill the Sora app and I
00:44:15
assume the entire AI slop generator from
00:44:18
top to bottom
00:44:19
>> is now gone. They'll probably turn those
00:44:21
GPUs towards something else that we're
00:44:23
very excited about maybe. Uh but yeah,
00:44:27
>> no more Sora. Yeah. Big day to dance on
00:44:29
a grave.
00:44:30
>> I'm dancing boy.
00:44:31
>> Yeah.
00:44:32
>> What's the meme of like
00:44:33
>> is he giving the peace sign or the pray
00:44:35
sign? Like
00:44:36
>> where he's like in front of the grave.
00:44:37
Yeah.
00:44:38
>> Yeah. Sora was bad. The funny thing
00:44:40
about this uh that we reported on when
00:44:43
it happened was that Disney had made a
00:44:44
$1 billion investment deal with OpenAI
00:44:48
about Sora.
00:44:49
>> Yeah.
00:44:49
>> And Disney said, "We are going to invest
00:44:51
a billion dollars in OpenAI over X
00:44:53
period of time." And Sora is going to be
00:44:56
in the Disney Plus app with AI generated
00:44:59
versions of our characters that you can
00:45:01
just sort of scroll through on the
00:45:03
Disney Plus app as a sort of like little
00:45:04
Disney Tik Tok feature. This never
00:45:06
launched and uh reportedly the Sora
00:45:10
engineers didn't even really know that
00:45:12
Sora was getting killed. They even put
00:45:14
out a guidelines as to like their safety
00:45:17
standards about Sora the day before they
00:45:19
announced that they were killing it,
00:45:20
which is very funny. And now that $1
00:45:23
billion deal is not happening. So, uh,
00:45:26
OpenAI can't find money. And now they
00:45:28
really can't find money. I guess a
00:45:30
billion dollar is like pocket change for
00:45:31
them.
00:45:31
>> I mean, I guess how much money were they
00:45:33
burning in the process of
00:45:34
>> billions? Yeah, probably more than that.
00:45:36
Um, and also one thing you should know
00:45:38
is that pretty much every Open AI deal
00:45:40
is not real money. It's like the idea of
00:45:43
money. Nothing ever really happens.
00:45:45
Everyone's like, Nvidia is like, we're
00:45:46
investing 1 trillion in open AI. And
00:45:49
they're like, what does that mean? And
00:45:50
then they just sort of do jazz hands and
00:45:52
walk away.
00:45:52
>> You could have been out, bro.
00:45:54
>> You know, none of the these circular
00:45:56
deals have are inflating the stock
00:45:57
market and that's why you're seeing a
00:45:58
lot of red.
00:45:59
>> A lot of them are like promises to
00:46:01
invest over time or something.
00:46:02
>> That's what the Disney one was. It was
00:46:04
$1 billion investments over a period of
00:46:06
time and it didn't even start.
00:46:08
>> Yeah. No money had changed hands.
00:46:10
>> No money had changed hands. Huge win.
00:46:12
So, it's not happening. Yeah.
00:46:13
>> Um,
00:46:13
>> David, I'm going to give you $1 billion
00:46:16
over the next three years.
00:46:18
>> I hope my stock goes up. Psych.
00:46:22
>> Uh yeah. So the another funny thing
00:46:24
about this is that Meta had purched
00:46:27
um a guy to lead the super intelligence
00:46:29
lab and the first product that they
00:46:31
launched was an AI slop generator video
00:46:34
generator that was supposed to compete
00:46:35
with Sora. It was um it was horrible and
00:46:38
I think they shut it down too
00:46:40
>> hopefully. But this is good for
00:46:42
everybody. Like we don't need more AI
00:46:44
slop. If you're ever on Twitter, there's
00:46:46
a lot of fruits cheating on each other
00:46:48
on there. I don't know if you've seen
00:46:50
this.
00:46:50
>> Fruits?
00:46:51
>> Yeah, fruits.
00:46:52
>> What?
00:46:53
>> Yeah, there's some weird stuff.
00:46:54
>> Wait, you guys haven't seen this?
00:46:56
>> I'm jealous that you guys not
00:46:57
>> I see mostly cuz you can do like the
00:46:59
remixes with YouTube videos.
00:47:01
>> Every once in a while, I'll go to one of
00:47:03
our old videos to reference something
00:47:04
and I'll just be like blah blah blah
00:47:06
remix with this video and it's a short
00:47:08
of like a pregnant cat.
00:47:09
>> Yeah, that's Yeah, they're always
00:47:11
pregnant. There's always like a pregnant
00:47:12
cat and a dad cat and they're like
00:47:14
having a baby and it has like your voice
00:47:16
over the background.
00:47:17
>> Well, the background music is always
00:47:18
meow meow meow meow meow.
00:47:21
>> It's really bad. It's like
00:47:25
>> I think it redefineses
00:47:26
>> hallucination are you having?
00:47:28
>> It redefineses the the word slop. Like
00:47:30
really it does.
00:47:31
>> It's also this stuff makes a ton of
00:47:34
misinformation out there for sure.
00:47:35
>> Not just straight slop literal harmful
00:47:38
videos.
00:47:39
>> Yeah. So, I'm glad it's gone.
00:47:41
>> I'm glad I missed that.
00:47:42
>> Dance on the grave. Um, speaking of
00:47:44
Instagram meta doing slop things, do you
00:47:48
want to break this down?
00:47:49
>> Yeah, I'll try and break this down
00:47:50
really quick. Um, IGDMs are no longer
00:47:52
going to be end to end encrypted by May
00:47:54
8th. This is kind of a uh I mean I think
00:47:57
everyone knows what end to end
00:47:58
encryption is. You and your the
00:48:01
recipient are the only ones who are able
00:48:02
to see the message due to a code uh
00:48:06
>> encryption.
00:48:07
>> Encryption. Yeah. Yeah, it has to public
00:48:10
and private keys.
00:48:11
>> Um, so like this feels like a really big
00:48:13
deal headline wise. Uh,
00:48:16
>> but like there's a couple weird things
00:48:18
about this that make me confused. So I'm
00:48:20
going to read out a couple of the
00:48:22
reasons why I think or they've said
00:48:23
they're ending this encryption and
00:48:25
everyone can be the judge on why they
00:48:26
think they really are ending it. Um, so
00:48:29
>> they've been the way they announced this
00:48:31
first of all meta is not like a full
00:48:34
post. They updated a 2022 news post
00:48:37
about encryption to say that encryption
00:48:39
is ending on May 8th. Um, so like two
00:48:42
months away.
00:48:43
>> Um, and a couple reasons. One, a meta
00:48:46
spokesperson said that which I didn't
00:48:48
know about. The encryption is optin on
00:48:50
Instagram, which I never knew about. I'm
00:48:53
sure most people don't know about. And
00:48:55
they said very, very few people on
00:48:57
Instagram use encryption anyway in the
00:48:59
end because it's optin. Exactly. poor uh
00:49:04
communication.
00:49:05
>> Not even just communication, just poor
00:49:07
design. I mean,
00:49:08
>> Metap doesn't want it to be encrypted
00:49:10
because they want all of that. So, like
00:49:12
>> Well, yeah,
00:49:13
>> there's a lot of drama going on right
00:49:14
now with like the EU and the UK. Yeah.
00:49:17
Okay.
00:49:18
>> So, like the next point is uh FBI,
00:49:21
Interpol, UK safety organizations are
00:49:24
all urging Meta to break encryption
00:49:27
because of child safety. because of how
00:49:29
much meta in general and Instagram
00:49:32
specifically is essentially harming
00:49:34
children in so many different ways. One
00:49:36
of them being through DMs and with
00:49:38
encryption, if the correct people have
00:49:40
the encryption on, it makes it really
00:49:41
harder to find chat logs or stuff like
00:49:43
that. So, they've they're urging Meta to
00:49:45
end encryption. Another thing is Meta is
00:49:48
just not getting rid of encryption
00:49:50
WhatsApp. They're telling people to just
00:49:51
move to WhatsApp if you want encryption.
00:49:53
>> Just use WhatsApp, bro.
00:49:55
>> Just they literally pulled the just use
00:49:57
WhatsApp. I hate this.
00:49:58
>> Um, and then the last reason, which I
00:50:00
think most of us can agree on is
00:50:03
>> Meta's favorite,
00:50:05
>> but maybe the one they don't want to
00:50:06
admit,
00:50:07
>> is yes,
00:50:08
>> without encrypted DMs, they have the
00:50:11
ability to use those DMs to target with
00:50:13
advertisements and train data, train AI
00:50:16
data on your messages. Um, which
00:50:19
>> the the reason this is all kind of weird
00:50:21
is it seems like most people aren't
00:50:23
using it, so they're probably doing all
00:50:24
of this anyways. But like the actual end
00:50:26
to this is probably just saving them
00:50:27
money because they don't have to run
00:50:28
compute to
00:50:30
>> saving them face with like all the all
00:50:32
the public stuff with the
00:50:33
>> It's really nice that they're having
00:50:35
other people like government agencies
00:50:36
tell them to remove it so they can just
00:50:38
be like, "Well, that's the reason we're
00:50:40
removing it. Thanks for the training
00:50:42
data. Thanks for the advertising." Yeah.
00:50:44
>> Uh,
00:50:45
>> yeah, that's kind of I'll let everybody
00:50:47
be the judge of what how they want to
00:50:49
see the story with encryption, but I
00:50:51
think the thing to know here is if you
00:50:53
really care about privacy encryption,
00:50:54
don't touch a Meta product.
00:50:56
>> Yeah, that's like the easiest thing
00:50:58
here.
00:50:59
>> The number one advertising company in
00:51:00
the world. Yeah, I think Meta realizes
00:51:02
that like a lot of the DMs on Instagram,
00:51:05
they mostly care about you sharing reels
00:51:07
and sharing posts and pushing you to
00:51:08
other parts of Instagram to spend more
00:51:10
time on and get gather more data to
00:51:13
spend more money. So, they don't really
00:51:14
care about this. WhatsApp is still
00:51:15
encrypted if you want to use that, but I
00:51:17
personally would just stay away from
00:51:19
meta products if I really cared about my
00:51:21
privacy.
00:51:21
>> Yeah. I mean, speaking of which, they
00:51:22
just announced yesterday as well that
00:51:24
they're going to integrate um sort of
00:51:26
like buy now buttons into reals. Tik Tok
00:51:30
shop has this
00:51:32
>> where you can be watching a reel or
00:51:34
something and then it will show a little
00:51:35
like you can buy this now and it out
00:51:37
links to a store.
00:51:38
>> Uh Instagram's going to add that. So,
00:51:40
>> I think YouTube Shorts has this already
00:51:41
probably the like little product
00:51:43
shelves,
00:51:43
>> dude. On Amazon, what is it? Prime TV.
00:51:48
Prime. What do they call it? Prime
00:51:49
Video. Yeah. you'll be watching like
00:51:52
you'll be watching like Fallout or
00:51:53
something, right? And then it cuts to an
00:51:55
ad and in the ad there will be a
00:51:57
purchase on Amazon button that you can
00:52:00
just do straight. It's like holy moly,
00:52:03
we are Cuz I Yeah, I only wanted to
00:52:05
watch Fallout and I haven't used Amazon
00:52:07
Prime TV in like a really long time and
00:52:10
I was like, "Wow, we're in the we're in
00:52:11
the dystopia where you can literally the
00:52:13
product is in your face and there's just
00:52:14
a one-click buy now and ship to me
00:52:16
immediately button." Mhm.
00:52:17
>> I mean, with
00:52:18
>> it is so crazy
00:52:19
>> the like UI on all these short form
00:52:20
contents. How far are we away from it
00:52:22
just feeling like the old annotation
00:52:24
like scamming where just there's like 20
00:52:26
different boxes up on your screen cuz we
00:52:28
have all these different sets of
00:52:29
guidelines for different short form
00:52:31
because depending on where you put
00:52:33
>> text or something in a video, it's going
00:52:34
to get covered by a username, an icon,
00:52:37
the description, and like now we're
00:52:38
adding shops and stuff. This is already
00:52:40
a really small form factor of what we're
00:52:42
watching. There's not a lot of real
00:52:43
estate there. So adding all of that on
00:52:45
is
00:52:46
>> Yeah, it's crazy. We're just not even
00:52:47
going to watch videos anymore.
00:52:48
>> It's okay. They're pushing you to use
00:52:49
Instagram on the iPad because all they
00:52:51
want you to do on that is watch reals
00:52:53
anyway and then you won't miss click
00:52:55
because it's a bigger screen.
00:52:56
>> Wow.
00:52:56
>> True.
00:52:57
>> Got him.
00:52:57
>> Big brain.
00:52:58
>> Got him. Um, kind of related, the US
00:53:02
government has officially banned
00:53:04
consumer routers made outside of the
00:53:06
United States, which by the way,
00:53:08
>> pretty much all of them.
00:53:09
>> Yeah, essentially all the only one I can
00:53:11
really think of that's not is Starlink
00:53:13
because that's made in Texas.
00:53:15
>> Is that a router? Yes, I guess.
00:53:18
>> But like it's not what you would think
00:53:19
of in the general sense of like a router
00:53:21
when you already have an ISP and you're
00:53:23
using it as a router in your house.
00:53:24
>> Um, so like similar to banning drones
00:53:27
made in foreign countries, the FCC is
00:53:28
adding consumer grade routers made
00:53:31
outside of the US to a covered list. And
00:53:33
if you're not sure what that is, the
00:53:34
covered list is a list that the FCC and
00:53:36
Homeland Security Bureau use to add
00:53:38
devices that quote pose an unacceptable
00:53:40
risk to the national security of the
00:53:42
United States or the security and safety
00:53:44
of US persons. Um, like you just
00:53:47
mentioned, we're all pretty familiar
00:53:49
with where technology is manufactured.
00:53:52
It's not in the US and like
00:53:55
>> it's not here.
00:53:55
>> Seriously, it's got to be 90 plus% of
00:53:57
routers, dude. I mean, are made outside
00:53:59
of the US.
00:54:00
>> I'm just looking up all I'm going one by
00:54:01
one to look through all the router
00:54:02
companies that
00:54:03
>> they're all like Taiwanese. Yeah,
00:54:05
they're all not made here.
00:54:06
>> But even some of them might be stationed
00:54:08
or like headquartered in the US. They're
00:54:10
still not manufactured in the US. Um, so
00:54:13
like first of all, if you already own a
00:54:15
router that's doesn't meet this
00:54:17
criteria, it's going to work fine. Um,
00:54:19
but the new ones then coming into the
00:54:21
company into the United States will be
00:54:23
put on a list where the radios won't be
00:54:24
authorized.
00:54:26
>> Uh,
00:54:26
>> it's just insane. Like it's so
00:54:28
isolationist to say anyone not made in
00:54:31
the United States.
00:54:31
>> I think that's wild. like it is it would
00:54:33
be more understandable if it was like
00:54:35
from specific countries that the
00:54:37
government deems to be adversaries or
00:54:39
whatever but the fact that it is not in
00:54:41
the United it's like I cannot name a
00:54:44
single router company that is based in
00:54:46
the United States they probably exist
00:54:48
but they are not mass market
00:54:50
>> I think TPLink is now headquartered in
00:54:52
California
00:54:54
>> they're probably made in Taiwan yeah
00:54:56
>> yeah or Vietnam
00:54:57
>> I forget exactly where a lot of ones I
00:54:58
was finding were made in Vietnam but
00:55:00
still that is just straight up foreign
00:55:01
country that is not the US.
00:55:03
>> What does this do for like IP or um
00:55:06
>> ISPs? That's exactly what I was
00:55:07
thinking. Like what Xfinity My guess
00:55:09
right now is Xfinity uh Verizon probably
00:55:13
have just a boatload of routers in a
00:55:15
warehouse somewhere that they are the
00:55:16
ones sending to you, but like that needs
00:55:18
to update. Well, I also know that
00:55:19
there's sort of a workar around you can
00:55:20
do where like all of the parts are
00:55:22
basically made outside of the US and
00:55:24
then like there was a thing that some
00:55:26
Yeah, there's some the thing that some
00:55:28
companies were doing for a while where
00:55:29
it was like all the parts but one were
00:55:32
already assembled and then they would
00:55:33
ship all the parts and that one part to
00:55:35
United States and they would put it in
00:55:36
the thing and they'd be like made in the
00:55:38
United States.
00:55:39
>> Well, there's like guidelines for made
00:55:41
in the USA or assembled in the USA. Like
00:55:43
there's things that they need to like
00:55:45
more than 60% or
00:55:46
>> Oh, yeah. Like the Trump phone, right?
00:55:47
like the Trump.
00:55:50
No, not even on.
00:55:51
>> Also, with the Ver not Verizon, Xfinity
00:55:53
routers and stuff, does that count?
00:55:55
Because this says consumer.
00:55:57
>> Yeah. How much consumer? So, consumer
00:55:59
they define as uh for residential use
00:56:01
and installed by the customer.
00:56:02
>> Installed by the C. Okay.
00:56:04
>> Any router you can have just shipped to
00:56:06
you and I was going to ask.
00:56:08
>> I mean, maybe that's it's it's a weird
00:56:09
thing where the way they're uh
00:56:10
>> the company's the one buying them in
00:56:12
bulk. So, I don't know if this will like
00:56:13
apply to them, you know? Uh, the fact
00:56:15
that they say consumer grade, I think
00:56:16
it's less of consumer bought and
00:56:18
consumer grade. Again, it's like it's
00:56:20
kind of weird. What they're doing is
00:56:21
either companies can apply for like an
00:56:24
extension to be allowed into the United
00:56:27
States if they're proving that they're
00:56:30
working on creating a manufacturing
00:56:32
aspect in the United States to pass
00:56:34
that.
00:56:35
>> Stupid. We've tried this so many times.
00:56:37
Doesn't work. or like similar to what
00:56:40
DJI does, the company's just not going
00:56:42
to release it in the US for x amount of
00:56:45
time until this either stops or just not
00:56:47
care.
00:56:47
>> Have we seen companies like or like buy
00:56:49
a building like an old manufacturing
00:56:51
plant in the US and then just slap a
00:56:53
label on we're going to for sure make
00:56:55
stuff here. Okay, you're good.
00:56:57
>> They do a big groundbreaking thing in
00:56:59
Arizona and they're like look at all
00:57:00
these jobs and then just leave them
00:57:02
empty. The United States is claiming the
00:57:03
routers were directly implicated in the
00:57:05
Volt Flax and Salt Typhoon cyber attacks
00:57:07
which were a set of cyber attacks a
00:57:09
while ago.
00:57:10
>> Yeah, but I'm confused cuz the Salt
00:57:12
Typhoon ones was about Cisco routers.
00:57:15
>> Okay, so this is the funny thing United
00:57:16
States.
00:57:17
>> Well, just like what like
00:57:19
>> they were Cisco and Nekar routers that
00:57:20
were designed by US companies, but the
00:57:22
reason they were vulnerable is because
00:57:24
the companies stopped providing updates
00:57:26
for them. So they were unupdated
00:57:28
security risk routers which has nothing
00:57:30
to do with who made them. It has to do
00:57:32
with who's continuing the software upd.
00:57:34
So this is like saying
00:57:35
>> who's doing the
00:57:36
>> hey hackers targeted vulnerable things
00:57:38
because they're vulnerable and probably
00:57:40
shouldn't be used or should have been
00:57:41
updated anymore. It has nothing to do
00:57:43
with the fact I I get that there is like
00:57:46
>> foreign countries that maybe were
00:57:47
worried about and stuff like this, but
00:57:49
this feels like a blanket ban that is
00:57:51
not actually helping anything. Uh
00:57:53
>> heavy-handed government intervention in
00:57:55
tech. No.
00:57:57
No,
00:57:58
>> it's Yeah. So, the residential thing I'm
00:58:00
really confused about because I'm also
00:58:01
confused there is if the main thing
00:58:03
we're trying to protect is like
00:58:04
government agencies and government
00:58:06
information stuff like me maybe
00:58:09
government shouldn't be using
00:58:10
residential. That's what the ban should
00:58:12
be. Government should stop using
00:58:14
residential grade routers
00:58:17
and like buildings or the ones made in
00:58:19
these certain companies. But like why do
00:58:21
I need
00:58:22
>> Yeah. or
00:58:23
>> why does that make a difference if I'm
00:58:25
using
00:58:25
>> or have one US company like make a
00:58:27
government grade one or like ad like
00:58:29
change one of the routers to be
00:58:31
government grade ad features.
00:58:33
>> I think in theory the reason it matters
00:58:35
if you have one Andrew is that you are
00:58:37
sort of inherently plugged into your
00:58:39
telecom company's network and like that
00:58:41
is who all of these attacks were against
00:58:43
were like we're getting into telecom
00:58:45
companies networks. I I don't know quite
00:58:47
enough about this whole thing. There's
00:58:49
there's obviously so much more going on
00:58:51
than what we're saying here, but it
00:58:52
still feels like this wild blanket band
00:58:54
that doesn't really
00:58:55
>> No, I agree. And also, watch
00:58:58
>> this is, you know, me predicting the
00:58:59
future, but watch Oracle launch a new
00:59:02
line of US-based routers.
00:59:04
>> Wait. Oh my god, I didn't even think
00:59:06
about that.
00:59:07
>> Yeah. No, no, no. I haven't, this is not
00:59:08
a thing that's happened. I'm just
00:59:09
>> I know, but it will. You know it will.
00:59:12
And they will be called Freedom Router.
00:59:14
>> Yeah.
00:59:15
So the the cyber attacks were also on
00:59:18
like energy transportation and water
00:59:20
infrastructure stuff as well. So it's
00:59:21
not just straight up communicate or just
00:59:23
communications although those were in
00:59:25
there. I also I guess saying the router
00:59:28
was directly implicated. I was like well
00:59:29
yeah it was online it has to go through
00:59:31
a router but it's because those routers
00:59:33
were missing their security updates and
00:59:35
had vulnerabilities which is like
00:59:37
>> yes if things on the internet have
00:59:39
vulnerabilities people are going to
00:59:40
attack them. They shouldn't, but
00:59:42
>> I really don't know enough about this,
00:59:44
but it's always been my understanding
00:59:45
that like, you know, a a big part of
00:59:46
what routers are doing are like
00:59:48
assembling these packets that are going
00:59:49
out over, you know, and so if they're
00:59:51
putting like a router with malware on it
00:59:54
can put
00:59:55
>> stuff in a packet that can make it
00:59:56
pretty deep inside
00:59:58
>> uh a network.
00:59:59
>> Yeah.
01:00:00
>> That is like the most like middle
01:00:01
schooler friendly way I can describe
01:00:04
network communication.
01:00:04
>> That's why Cisco was supposed to prevent
01:00:06
this. That's their whole thing. Yeah.
01:00:08
>> They do B2B. It wasn't him.
01:00:12
>> Is that Is that Cisco?
01:00:13
>> No.
01:00:13
>> What is that? A rapper, too?
01:00:15
>> Damn it.
01:00:16
>> Shaggy.
01:00:16
>> Shaggy. Yeah.
01:00:17
>> That's not the first time you've made
01:00:19
that mistake.
01:00:20
>> Wait, this confuses me because I feel
01:00:22
like if
01:00:25
>> if a company in the US made routers and
01:00:28
those routers were not updated and
01:00:30
weren't patched over time, they would
01:00:32
also be susceptible to these attacks.
01:00:34
Yes.
01:00:34
>> Correct. So, what does this do?
01:00:36
>> I don't know. It's just they're going
01:00:38
after the wrong pro. I don't know. I I
01:00:39
imagine
01:00:40
>> that is a very popular attack by
01:00:41
>> I imagine it is it is all a bunch of
01:00:43
like to just try to they're so
01:00:46
obsessed with stimulating American
01:00:47
manufacturing, but they don't understand
01:00:49
like the amount of work that it requires
01:00:51
to actually build a entire business in
01:00:54
the US making various things like
01:00:57
routers. Like I how often do people buy
01:01:00
routers? You know,
01:01:01
>> once every 5 to 10 years.
01:01:03
>> Most people never buy a router.
01:01:05
>> Yeah. They rent it from their telecom.
01:01:07
>> Mhm. I just I don't know, man.
01:01:08
>> Counter point, David. If you had 1
01:01:10
million Optimus robots, you could make
01:01:11
them for free whenever you wanted.
01:01:14
>> Think about that.
01:01:15
>> Think about that. How much would an
01:01:16
Optimus robot cost me?
01:01:17
>> It costs Well, $0 Optimus robots.
01:01:21
>> How much would it cost me though?
01:01:22
>> I don't think you're allowed to have
01:01:23
one.
01:01:25
>> Then how am I going to get my router?
01:01:27
>> Send the robo taxi for it.
01:01:28
>> I'll just use Starlink.
01:01:29
>> Yeah.
01:01:30
>> So, um, we want to talk about this
01:01:32
because it was kind of hot news in the
01:01:34
journalism world this week. Effectively
01:01:37
you guys probably know Grammarly and
01:01:38
there was also an app called Superhum
01:01:40
and then Grammarly bought Superhum and
01:01:42
now Grammarly is superhuman and
01:01:44
Grammarly is a product of Superhum.
01:01:47
That's your that's your breakdown.
01:01:48
>> Not confusing at all.
01:01:49
>> Not confusing at all. Multiple months
01:01:51
ago, but only discovered fairly
01:01:52
recently. uh people discovered this
01:01:54
feature within Grammarly that
01:01:56
effectively
01:01:58
gives you advice based on various
01:02:00
different writers that are well known in
01:02:03
the writing world or like the tech
01:02:05
writing world or things like that. So if
01:02:07
you were writing an article or you were
01:02:08
writing I don't know anything you're
01:02:10
writing you could say like hey what
01:02:12
would Nei Patel think about this writing
01:02:15
that I'm doing?
01:02:16
>> So funny.
01:02:17
>> Yes.
01:02:18
>> Are you serious?
01:02:19
>> I'm serious. I don't know if it was
01:02:20
necessarily you asked Nei Patel, but it
01:02:22
was like if
01:02:23
>> you asked a question about writing an
01:02:25
article and it would say like, oh, it
01:02:27
was called expert review and something
01:02:28
would come up as an expert is here to
01:02:30
give you an example and that example
01:02:31
would pop up as like
01:02:33
>> I can't believe I'm saying this out loud
01:02:35
but it said Nei Patel and with a
01:02:37
verified check mark like Twitter which
01:02:39
is sitting there for no reason and then
01:02:42
it would say like
01:02:42
>> not verified. They would give some piece
01:02:44
of advice and then to their credit it
01:02:46
would say like this is inspired by
01:02:49
Vergecast hosts and Verge editor-inchief
01:02:52
Nei Patel because of blah blah blah have
01:02:54
a source button and then
01:02:56
>> first of all no one's going to click
01:02:58
that source button
01:02:59
>> that doesn't count. Uh, so yeah, that's
01:03:02
what a a verified check mark Nei Patel
01:03:04
would pop up and say, "Yeah,
01:03:06
>> hey, not just him, a bunch of other
01:03:07
jokes."
01:03:08
>> And it would also do line edits, too.
01:03:09
Like if you had it would like make
01:03:11
suggestions based on your writing. And
01:03:13
um they they were like, "Oh yeah, we
01:03:16
pulled specific like pieces of work from
01:03:18
various different journalists and then
01:03:19
we put it in this AI model and now it
01:03:22
can make suggestions." And it's like
01:03:23
that's just not how this works at all.
01:03:25
Like it's insane. And uh this feature
01:03:27
has been deployed for multiple months,
01:03:29
but people only found it recently. So,
01:03:31
>> well, no, no, it was deployed. It took a
01:03:33
while for people to gone. It's gone now.
01:03:34
They took it away a lot.
01:03:35
>> Yeah, it was found recently by like the
01:03:38
it blew up
01:03:39
>> I think a few month I think last year
01:03:41
>> Grammarly had added this feature late
01:03:43
last year. Um, not a lot of people were
01:03:45
using it. No one really noticed it. And
01:03:47
then recently it kind of popped up in
01:03:48
the media because people started
01:03:50
noticing it and all these people started
01:03:51
writing about it because the people that
01:03:53
were writing about it were the people it
01:03:54
was impersonating effectively. Every
01:03:56
article was like this is impersonating
01:03:59
authors including me. It was kind of
01:04:01
crazy. Um so funny enough has this
01:04:05
podcast called Decoder. He had already
01:04:07
scheduled to have the superhuman/grarly
01:04:10
CEO on like the following week. Um, and
01:04:14
to that guy's credit, he actually did go
01:04:16
on Decoder to talk to Nei about it, and
01:04:18
the interview was very tense
01:04:20
>> from the get- go.
01:04:21
>> From the get-go.
01:04:22
>> From the start. Yeah.
01:04:23
>> Um, and so it became this whole kind of
01:04:26
argument about what is attribution
01:04:28
versus what is just stealing and using
01:04:31
someone's likeness. Uh, and the CEO
01:04:34
really just defends the idea that it's
01:04:35
attribution. He talks about, oh, there's
01:04:37
a link that you can go to and it clearly
01:04:39
says that, oh, this is inspired by this
01:04:42
person, but like it had the check mark.
01:04:44
>> The check mark is
01:04:45
>> the check mark. The check mark is
01:04:47
>> you can't defend it when you do because
01:04:49
the check everyone knows what the check
01:04:50
mark means in every other context. It
01:04:52
means this is verified from this person,
01:04:54
right?
01:04:54
>> If it's on social media, the check mark
01:04:56
means this is definitely the person you
01:04:57
think it is.
01:04:58
>> Theoretically, why do they put a check
01:05:00
mark here? They put a check mark here to
01:05:02
convince you that this is legit and this
01:05:04
is definitely like they're not trying to
01:05:06
necessarily convince you that this is
01:05:09
actually the human editing your work,
01:05:12
>> but they get about as close to that as
01:05:13
possible and it's definitely
01:05:15
impersonation.
01:05:16
>> You can't convince me otherwise that
01:05:17
it's not attempting to trick a person
01:05:20
into thinking this for real. I don't
01:05:21
care what he said in that interview. I
01:05:23
know it says at the like under that
01:05:25
inspired by, but to put the check mark
01:05:27
in is just straight up lying.
01:05:29
>> Yeah. Yeah. There was a class there is a
01:05:31
class action action lawsuit going on
01:05:34
which is I think why the CEO couldn't
01:05:36
really say a lot because then it could
01:05:38
be used against him in court and it's
01:05:40
insane to me that he would even do the
01:05:42
interview when he knows Neili is very
01:05:43
combative about these kind of things.
01:05:45
>> Yeah.
01:05:46
>> Well then if he doesn't go on the
01:05:47
interview then the article is about how
01:05:48
he pulled out of the interview.
01:05:49
>> Yeah. It looks even worse.
01:05:50
>> So it's either do you get that or I
01:05:52
don't think that looks worse.
01:05:53
>> He made himself look worse in that
01:05:55
interview for sure.
01:05:56
>> Yeah. He made himself look better. We
01:05:58
definitely recommend that you go listen
01:05:59
to this or watch it. Um, it's both on
01:06:01
their podcast feed.
01:06:02
>> Watch it.
01:06:03
>> Watch it. Yeah.
01:06:03
>> Seeing facial expressions and it is well
01:06:05
worth it. Also, the CEO's whatever
01:06:08
laptop he's using should be blown up
01:06:10
because the wobble of the screen as he's
01:06:14
talking, you're just watching him the
01:06:15
whole time. Andrew,
01:06:17
>> if you watch
01:06:19
screen, it looks like he's in the middle
01:06:20
of an earthquake. It's It's wild.
01:06:23
>> Yeah. This though, this really reminds
01:06:25
me of when we had these conversations
01:06:27
about these AI image generators and
01:06:28
video generators where if you would just
01:06:30
put in like tech reviewer like Marquez
01:06:32
would just show up, you know, it reminds
01:06:34
me of the whole like who's in this
01:06:36
training data? How are they stealing it?
01:06:38
>> Didn't they do that recently?
01:06:39
>> It was a long time ago. Sora
01:06:42
>> Well, there was Sora, but there was also
01:06:44
like Gemini. There was uh Yeah.
01:06:46
>> Yeah. There was early ChatGBT stuff.
01:06:48
>> There was something a few weeks ago
01:06:49
where I literally put in like a tech
01:06:51
reviewer and it just popped out.
01:06:52
Marquez. Yeah, when we were out South by
01:06:54
Southwest, I said I said add a tech
01:06:56
reviewer to this photo and it just added
01:06:58
Marquez and it said but it did say I've
01:07:00
added MKBHD.
01:07:02
>> Oh my god.
01:07:03
>> Which that's a whole that's the same
01:07:05
thing. It's like likeness versus
01:07:07
>> the weird thing about this is Nei was
01:07:10
looking at so the reason that the
01:07:11
interview is so good is because like
01:07:13
there's personal stakes here. Like it's
01:07:15
literally
01:07:16
>> impersonating Nei. So he's the one
01:07:18
interviewing which makes it much more
01:07:19
intense. But like
01:07:21
>> what the suggestion it wrote says it's
01:07:23
from like using his body of work at the
01:07:25
Verge and Verge cast. He's like I would
01:07:27
never say anything like this. I've never
01:07:29
said anything ever like this. So it just
01:07:32
feels like straight up lying.
01:07:34
>> To the credit of the CEO, he said like
01:07:36
this didn't work out really well. How
01:07:38
are we supposed to get into the mind of
01:07:40
an editor by only using their the final
01:07:43
published works?
01:07:44
>> Great question. I know. Exactly. You
01:07:47
cannot. And that's what they killed it,
01:07:48
which I'm glad they got rid of it. But
01:07:50
just that's just impersonation and lying
01:07:54
at that point. Who's to say that
01:07:56
couldn't have just been like an AI
01:07:58
software where Marquez Marquez Brownley
01:08:01
pops up verified check mark and says a
01:08:03
piece of advice that Marquez doesn't
01:08:05
believe in at all. Windows is the best
01:08:07
the best editing for 8K videos. Like I
01:08:10
love my Windows laptop. And then all it
01:08:12
has to say is inspired by Marquez
01:08:14
Brownley's body of work for he's an
01:08:16
eight 20 million tech reviewer blah blah
01:08:18
blah source.
01:08:20
>> It's all it's
01:08:23
trust me bro.
01:08:24
>> It's very trust me bro. and also using
01:08:26
the likeness of someone else to prove
01:08:28
credibility. And yeah,
01:08:29
>> I don't see how Yeah, I don't see how
01:08:30
you ship this feature and not think it's
01:08:32
going to blow up in your face because in
01:08:33
the best case version of this feature,
01:08:35
it's like, wow, we're going to have
01:08:36
testimonials of people going like, I
01:08:38
love this product because it lets me get
01:08:41
my work checked by these professionals.
01:08:44
And the professionals going,
01:08:45
>> no,
01:08:46
>> obviously I would not. That's like not
01:08:48
what I would have done. He said the
01:08:50
reason this the small team he kept
01:08:52
saying small team because he kept saying
01:08:53
he wants not throw that many people
01:08:54
under the bus which he should be under
01:08:56
the bus because he ultimately approves
01:08:58
it as CEO. But like if you are he keeps
01:09:02
saying you as the person like you might
01:09:04
want like Grammarly is supposed to be
01:09:07
your uh your language arts teacher
01:09:09
sitting right there and helping you make
01:09:10
decisions. So he's like this is a
01:09:12
version where some experts you really
01:09:13
respect might be right there helping you
01:09:15
make corrections into something.
01:09:17
>> I was like but I wouldn't make those. I
01:09:18
wouldn't make those and I'm not there.
01:09:19
It's like, yeah, the reason we like all
01:09:21
these people is the like personal
01:09:22
connection we have to them personally. I
01:09:24
don't want an
01:09:25
>> AI just pretending they're them. It's
01:09:28
this is bas you're getting catfish.
01:09:30
>> Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
01:09:31
>> I mean, Neil even said his line edits
01:09:33
are usually just like feels messy and
01:09:35
that's the whole thing. You know,
01:09:37
>> anyone who's ever had an editor knows
01:09:38
that it's not very coherent thought.
01:09:40
>> No, back. It's just a lot of back and
01:09:42
forth. I can't wait until Final Cut adds
01:09:45
a Marquez editor and then like I make a
01:09:47
J cut and it's like great job Marquez
01:09:48
would have done this too.
01:09:50
>> Yeah, just that that feels bad.
01:09:52
>> It could happen.
01:09:53
>> I think Grammarly took the wrong route
01:09:55
with this product. I think instead of
01:09:56
like people like obviously Nei great
01:09:59
writer, people love his writing, but I
01:10:01
think they should have gone with people
01:10:02
who are known for being unbelievably
01:10:05
opinionated writers and just force like
01:10:07
I want to be writing an email to like
01:10:09
Marquez about our health insurance plan
01:10:11
or something like that. And then
01:10:13
Grammarly's like and then a little AI
01:10:15
Slavage Ziz, the Slovenian philosopher
01:10:17
pops up and is like, "But what does this
01:10:18
email have to do with the struggle of
01:10:20
the self?"
01:10:21
>> And I'm like,
01:10:22
>> I'd like that.
01:10:22
>> Yes, distract me. Susan Santag comes up
01:10:24
and he's like, "Where are the mentions
01:10:25
of gender?" You know, he Hector Beerios
01:10:28
pops up and is like, "Ellis, you
01:10:29
mentioned nothing about Beethoven's
01:10:31
terrible use of the French horn."
01:10:33
>> Yeah, that's that's fair. I think Clippy
01:10:35
could have done any of that. Clippy
01:10:37
could have done that.
01:10:38
>> Clippy could have done all of that.
01:10:39
>> That's what you stop Yeah. Stop
01:10:40
replicating actual people and giving
01:10:43
them that attribution is such a bull
01:10:45
argument.
01:10:46
>> Yeah. Free advice to any CEO. If you run
01:10:48
a company that does any sort of AI
01:10:50
product and your goal is to have it
01:10:52
replace people in any way,
01:10:54
>> think a little harder about how you
01:10:56
think that's going to go.
01:10:57
>> Yeah.
01:10:58
>> Just a little harder. Just hire funny
01:11:00
guys.
01:11:01
>> Take some accountability. All of them
01:11:03
just seem to be like, "Oh, well, if the
01:11:05
models were using like pull up the work
01:11:08
of blah blah blah and they're going to
01:11:09
use that, then that's what the models
01:11:11
are going to do." Shut the up,
01:11:13
dude. Are you serious?
01:11:15
>> Yeah. I mean, every pretty much every AI
01:11:17
CEO makes the argument that this is not
01:11:20
this is just an average of like a bunch
01:11:22
of stuff. So, it's not copying
01:11:24
everything. It's just making new content
01:11:26
based on like a every every AI CEO is
01:11:28
like, well, you could have read all of
01:11:30
Neili's writing and then edited like
01:11:32
him. And it's like, no, you can't.
01:11:34
That's not how this works. That's not
01:11:35
how any of
01:11:36
>> learning. And also like it sounds like
01:11:38
it's so funny that the one art example
01:11:40
they're arguing over the whole time is a
01:11:42
bad like just straight up didn't work in
01:11:44
the voice at all
01:11:45
>> which makes it look even worse.
01:11:46
>> I think the flaw with that logic would
01:11:48
be thinking that all of Nei's thoughts
01:11:50
and and experience that he's ever had
01:11:52
exists in a training data set.
01:11:54
>> Yeah.
01:11:54
>> Which as a human with their own thoughts
01:11:57
and experiences that they have not
01:11:59
submitted to a training data set. No. I
01:12:02
mean ultimately that's what people in
01:12:04
Silicon Valley generally think like they
01:12:06
think that you can model everything.
01:12:08
They think that with enough information,
01:12:10
with enough data, with enough training,
01:12:12
you can simulate everything, you know,
01:12:14
and so they're like maybe you can, but
01:12:17
we're not even close to that yet.
01:12:18
>> Yeah. That's that's probably why this
01:12:20
interview is so good because it's one of
01:12:21
the people who you think you're you have
01:12:23
enough data from, and it's like, no, you
01:12:25
just don't have enough data, and
01:12:27
frankly, I don't want you to have enough
01:12:29
data to simulate who I am,
01:12:30
>> right? Yeah, cuz you're not paying
01:12:31
>> because the data that Nei's brain was
01:12:33
trained on are things like his
01:12:35
childhood. Like things that you can't
01:12:37
like
01:12:39
>> you can't do that, bro. It doesn't work.
01:12:41
>> Yeah, exactly. So, until you put it in a
01:12:43
vat.
01:12:44
>> No,
01:12:45
>> go listen to the interview. It's
01:12:47
fantastic.
01:12:47
>> Watch the interview.
01:12:48
>> Watch
01:12:50
sickness. Yeah.
01:12:51
>> Part of the Vox Media podcast network.
01:12:53
>> VMP, maybe. Okay. Well, I think we're
01:12:57
take it to one more ad break. Um, but
01:12:59
>> and then I'm going to yap about a mouse
01:13:01
again afterwards.
01:13:01
>> That's right. We love mice.
01:13:03
>> Yes,
01:13:04
>> we love mice. We love Ellis yapping
01:13:06
about speakers.
01:13:07
>> To the one person that has read Hector
01:13:10
Barios's treatise on orchestration other
01:13:13
than me.
01:13:14
>> I hope you enjoyed my little reference.
01:13:16
>> He's famous. I'm sure a lot of people
01:13:17
did.
01:13:18
>> I don't know who that is.
01:13:18
>> Alice, I agree with everything you say
01:13:20
and love everything you say about audio
01:13:21
and I've never interrupted you once
01:13:23
about It's this part of it's it's this
01:13:26
composer who wrote a book about how to
01:13:27
write for all the instruments a long
01:13:29
time ago and he was really angry and
01:13:31
there's this whole passage in the French
01:13:33
horn section where instead of talking
01:13:34
about how to write for French horn he
01:13:36
just goes into this giant beef with
01:13:38
Beethoven and he's like that guy
01:13:39
Beethoven sucked at French horn. He was
01:13:41
a coward on the French horn. It's very
01:13:43
fun to read.
01:13:44
>> Oh wait.
01:13:45
>> Oh sorry I did not. That was a
01:13:47
soundboard. That was not me.
01:13:48
>> Sorry Ellis. I forgot you were talking.
01:13:50
What? What were we talking?
01:13:53
>> No, that's interesting.
01:13:54
>> I did that to Andrew in the in the
01:13:56
weekly meeting yesterday where he said
01:13:58
something and then immediately I was
01:13:59
like, "But what about this thing that
01:14:01
Andrew just said?" And then I had to DM
01:14:02
him and say, "I'm sorry. Did you say
01:14:04
something?"
01:14:08
>> Karma. That was karma. That's karma.
01:14:10
>> Karmic retribution. Okay, next question.
01:14:12
Well, next question. Question number
01:14:13
two.
01:14:13
>> Yeah.
01:14:14
>> Mhm.
01:14:14
>> What year?
01:14:16
>> And we're doing this without going over.
01:14:18
>> Oh,
01:14:19
>> yeah. What year did Apple release Apple
01:14:22
Maps?
01:14:23
>> Oh.
01:14:24
>> Oh.
01:14:25
>> Oh.
01:14:26
>> Have access to the dock.
01:14:28
>> Wait, don't look. Don't look. I want you
01:14:29
to guess, too.
01:14:30
>> Was that that was the year that people
01:14:31
were driving into the the lakes, right?
01:14:34
>> I know the
01:14:35
>> I remember how poorly the launch went.
01:14:38
>> I got to remember the year. Okay.
01:14:40
>> There's a joke in a WWDC announcement.
01:14:42
>> Yeah,
01:14:42
>> it was a dubdub announcement.
01:14:44
>> I'm pretty sure
01:14:44
>> in Silicon Valley the show, they're
01:14:46
doing like a control group and they're
01:14:47
like, "Oh, this is bad." bad and he
01:14:48
goes, "How bad?" Apple Maps bad.
01:14:53
>> Sick. That is the bar.
01:14:54
>> One more mouse thing to talk about.
01:14:57
>> I'll make it quick.
01:14:58
>> I won't.
01:14:58
>> We'll be right back.
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01:16:09
All right, welcome back to Andrew's
01:16:10
Mouse Corner again. I kind of wanted
01:16:13
both of these the same week, but then I
01:16:15
kind of thought this one was never
01:16:16
coming in and then it came in after we
01:16:17
did the Pwnage Sim 3 last week.
01:16:19
>> You got to order one for next week now
01:16:21
so you keep it going.
01:16:21
>> That will never happen. Um, this
01:16:23
>> you just order a Cyborg Rat 7.
01:16:25
>> There's If you order the Cyborg Rat 7,
01:16:27
I'll do a review on the podcast next
01:16:29
week.
01:16:29
>> Okay,
01:16:30
>> I will smash that thing by the end. Um,
01:16:33
this is the Logitech Pro X2 Super
01:16:36
Strike. Not a great name, but
01:16:39
>> words.
01:16:39
>> The uh this is kind of like the most
01:16:41
hype mouse in the the scene right now
01:16:44
for a couple of reasons. One, Logitech G
01:16:46
Pro has been kind of like the de facto
01:16:49
tried and trueue gaming mouse for years
01:16:51
at this point. I think there you could
01:16:53
look at like Valerant or Counterstrike
01:16:56
stats of how many people use a specific
01:16:58
mouse and I think the Gro is top of the
01:17:00
list every single time. Um, but so this
01:17:03
is the exact same form factor, but
01:17:05
Logitech finally decided to do something
01:17:07
kind of cool because they've been kind
01:17:08
of boring for a while. Um, this mouse
01:17:11
>> on its uh the exterior is just
01:17:14
everything you'd kind of expect expect.
01:17:16
It's not too uh flashy. It's it's
01:17:18
nothing like really bad. It's nothing
01:17:20
really good. It's just a good form
01:17:22
factor, two buttons, symmetrical. It's
01:17:24
it's everything you would want. Um, but
01:17:27
this one is doing something a little
01:17:28
different. This actually has no
01:17:30
switches. Not mechanical or options.
01:17:33
There are no switches. This is
01:17:35
>> fully haptic.
01:17:36
>> What?
01:17:37
>> Similar to like
01:17:38
>> Hall effect.
01:17:38
>> No, it's not Hall effect. It's haptic.
01:17:40
Those are optical switches.
01:17:42
>> Um,
01:17:42
>> it's like your MacBook trackpad how it
01:17:45
is essentially a fake click.
01:17:47
>> Um, and the reason I want to bring it on
01:17:49
to this is because I can get reactions
01:17:50
from all of you because the easiest way
01:17:52
to test what this feels like is I will
01:17:54
hand this to you.
01:17:55
>> Okay. Uh,
01:17:56
>> and I want you to click the buttons. You
01:17:58
can even do them in the microphone.
01:18:00
Click the buttons right now. What do
01:18:01
they feel like?
01:18:02
>> Mush.
01:18:03
>> Like broken, right?
01:18:04
>> They do move.
01:18:05
>> They do move,
01:18:06
>> but uh it feels like I'm not actuating.
01:18:09
>> Sure. Now the switch on the bottom. Flip
01:18:11
that on. And now start clicking.
01:18:17
>> The sound is not fantastic, but
01:18:18
>> the sound's not great, but there is a
01:18:22
>> Yeah,
01:18:22
>> there's a pretty convincing Yeah. Click.
01:18:24
>> I'll let David try this. Now, this is
01:18:26
off. Would you say that you just want to
01:18:27
click? You just You just want to click.
01:18:30
>> Subscribe.
01:18:31
>> Subscribe. Yeah, that feels mushy.
01:18:33
>> It feels broken, right?
01:18:34
>> Yeah, it feels broken. Does the honor
01:18:36
>> now? Flip it on. Yeah.
01:18:40
>> Yeah.
01:18:40
>> This is amazing audio.
01:18:42
>> It's great for audio listeners. I mean,
01:18:44
we're getting
01:18:44
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, it goes from feeling
01:18:46
like broken to like there's something
01:18:48
there. There's still a lot of actuation.
01:18:50
>> I agree with you. I'm not like full
01:18:52
Well, so that's one thing
01:18:53
>> that's higher than I would like. That's
01:18:54
something that now we can do with this
01:18:56
mouse is we can change a couple
01:18:58
different things. We can change
01:18:59
actuation force. We can change uh
01:19:02
essentially like the clickiness of it.
01:19:04
And you can change what it's calling
01:19:07
rapid trigger, which is essentially was
01:19:09
really popular on keyboards a couple
01:19:10
years ago. Stuff like snap tap where not
01:19:13
only uh
01:19:16
>> it got worked in in certain things like
01:19:18
it it could do things that programs
01:19:20
would make it think was possibly
01:19:22
cheating because essentially what it's
01:19:23
doing is if you have an actuation
01:19:25
uh length going down until the buttons
01:19:28
actuated. Essentially what you could do
01:19:29
is the lift off to reset that could be
01:19:33
very very small.
01:19:34
>> You can you can make it really small. So
01:19:36
a way this can be really beneficial is
01:19:38
if you're in a game where let's say you
01:19:41
have a gun that's semi-automatic.
01:19:43
>> So each click is one shot. If you can if
01:19:47
that gun is really strong but the the
01:19:48
like weakness of it is a semi-automatic
01:19:50
but now you can make your actuation
01:19:52
really small and your reset activation
01:19:54
really short as well. You can just and
01:19:56
it feels like an automatic gun. That
01:19:57
would hurt my finger.
01:19:58
>> That's pretty sick that you can get
01:19:59
that.
01:20:00
>> And so right now I have the right the
01:20:03
left click as a five in your haptics
01:20:07
>> out of five.
01:20:08
>> Five out of five. And the right is on
01:20:10
one. So if you click these now,
01:20:13
>> it's not a big difference, but you there
01:20:15
are five levels of activation in per
01:20:17
button. Buttons can be different as
01:20:19
well.
01:20:20
>> Um
01:20:21
>> it's just this is kind of a cool thing
01:20:23
in the mouse world. I guess this is
01:20:26
brand new. This is within a month.
01:20:28
>> Okay.
01:20:28
>> Um I don't know if you want to try left
01:20:30
versus right. Like I said, this isn't
01:20:33
like the craziest thing, but like
01:20:35
>> the ability to have this in a mouse is
01:20:38
such a smaller version of where you can
01:20:40
put this in versus a keyboard where you
01:20:42
have full PCBs and individual switches
01:20:44
and everything.
01:20:45
>> Um so I thought this was kind of cool. I
01:20:47
don't have much to say about it. Uh
01:20:50
>> how much is it?
01:20:51
>> Uh $180. There is one other cool thing
01:20:54
which is super niche which is a lot of
01:20:57
people when they're doing something
01:20:58
called bunny hopping in in first-person
01:20:59
shooters is they actually change their
01:21:01
jump button from the space bar to the
01:21:03
wheel so that you can just bunny hopping
01:21:05
is when you jump and you hit the jump
01:21:07
like the second you hit the ground which
01:21:09
carries momentum in a lot of games which
01:21:11
lets you move faster. So when people do
01:21:12
it on the wheel, it makes it so you're
01:21:15
always hitting the jump as you land
01:21:17
because you're not just pressing space
01:21:18
one time. You're scrolling through it,
01:21:20
which is like 10 jumps at a time, right?
01:21:22
>> You can just scroll.
01:21:23
>> You can just scroll to be your jump. So
01:21:24
that's how people will make sure that
01:21:25
their jump is always landing at the
01:21:27
perfect point. This has a bunny hop
01:21:29
mode. So like it makes it really bad
01:21:32
sensitive.
01:21:33
>> What?
01:21:33
>> I know I wasn't bad at FPS. I just don't
01:21:35
have
01:21:35
>> Yeah, you just weren't bunny hopping
01:21:37
correctly. equipment. Uh, it has a thing
01:21:39
so you can't accidentally scroll the
01:21:40
scroll wheel when you're clicking
01:21:41
buttons, which can happen sometimes
01:21:43
because if you jump when you're trying
01:21:44
to fire, you completely screw up recoil
01:21:46
and everything. Um, but yeah, there's
01:21:48
not much to this. I will say since this
01:21:51
is a totally new technology in a thing
01:21:53
that you press thousands of times in a
01:21:56
life cycle very quickly. I would
01:21:58
probably wait till like
01:21:59
>> is it that people are using this for a
01:22:01
while?
01:22:01
>> We have haptic touch like trackpads like
01:22:03
you mentioned. So, there's a motor in
01:22:04
there and then there's the sort of
01:22:06
attachment to the moving piece.
01:22:09
Theoretically, that's similar tech to
01:22:11
the trackpad. Like, that should last a
01:22:13
long time.
01:22:14
>> Think about how often you click on your
01:22:15
trackpad versus how often you might
01:22:17
click in like one game of Counter.
01:22:19
>> Dude, that's fair. Yeah.
01:22:21
The
01:22:21
>> amount of Dota. Dota is literally all
01:22:23
movement is based on clicking. It's
01:22:25
probably
01:22:26
>> You're right.
01:22:27
>> 500 to a,000 clicks like a game.
01:22:29
>> Probably more. It might be more where
01:22:31
like you do that on this trackpad like
01:22:33
>> Dota is like an hour long an hour long
01:22:35
game and to move you have to be like
01:22:39
>> interesting.
01:22:40
>> My computer is going crazy with this
01:22:42
right now. But uh yeah,
01:22:43
>> I want to do a land actually play Dota
01:22:46
and Valerant and all that stuff. Such
01:22:49
dog at Valerant now. But
01:22:50
>> I don't know how anyone gets into Dota.
01:22:52
It's like the most complicated.
01:22:54
>> I don't know. I say these games I know
01:22:56
nothing about them. I'll play with you
01:22:58
one day. We'll play. Let's play.
01:23:00
>> Let's play Valerant. Let's play a Let's
01:23:02
Play. Let's play. Let's play studio
01:23:04
stream.
01:23:06
>> Um, yeah. I'm Guardian 5, which is the
01:23:08
second lowest tier,
01:23:10
>> and I have 4,800 hours in it.
01:23:13
>> Well, Marquez just bought his rat mouse,
01:23:15
so
01:23:16
>> you bought the mouse?
01:23:17
>> No, I should. I really want to, though.
01:23:19
>> If I had the RA, I'd be better at Dota,
01:23:21
though.
01:23:22
>> I bet you that mouse How much does that
01:23:23
mouse weigh? This is 60 g.
01:23:26
>> It can weigh as much as you want.
01:23:27
>> Yeah, it's customizable. It's I remember
01:23:29
the days of adding weights where now
01:23:31
everyone is like, I need to shave grams
01:23:34
off of my mouse. If this thing is over
01:23:36
35 gram, I ain't touching it.
01:23:38
>> It could weigh up to 157.
01:23:41
>> That's like
01:23:42
>> having a mouse with progressive overload
01:23:43
is crazy.
01:23:44
>> It's like it's weight training.
01:23:46
>> It's modular, baby.
01:23:47
>> So, um the AI overview, which is almost
01:23:49
definitely wrong, but it says that one
01:23:52
game of Dota can be between 5,000 to
01:23:54
10,000 clicks.
01:23:56
>> That seems insane. Yeah,
01:23:58
>> that's why to be fair, this is something
01:24:00
where like gaming really loves to do the
01:24:02
and we've seen this with frame rates and
01:24:04
graphics cards and everything is like
01:24:06
you need this to be better, but it's
01:24:07
like the point top five% might find like
01:24:11
a huge difference in this. I do think
01:24:12
this will be more interesting than like
01:24:15
snap tap cuz counter strafing is
01:24:17
something that is really hard to do. But
01:24:18
in games where just like a
01:24:19
semi-automatic rifle might need to fire
01:24:21
faster, you can do that so easily on a
01:24:24
mouse like this. Uh, I need to go home
01:24:27
and actually try it. But now I have two
01:24:28
mice to try and No time to try them.
01:24:31
>> Three.
01:24:31
>> So, I'm just going to start playing
01:24:32
games at work.
01:24:33
>> Yeah, it's James Bond. No time to try.
01:24:36
>> Um, can I also make a quick
01:24:38
announcement?
01:24:38
>> Sure.
01:24:40
>> Street Manifesto.
01:24:41
>> Oh my god.
01:24:42
>> This band.
01:24:42
>> All right. Trivia.
01:24:44
>> I've been waiting. Their album still
01:24:46
didn't come out. Okay,
01:24:47
>> that's the announcement.
01:24:48
>> Mhm.
01:24:49
>> There's Okay. They announced the show in
01:24:52
June.
01:24:53
>> That's the announcement. But in
01:24:54
December, they said that there wouldn't
01:24:56
be another show until the album comes
01:24:58
out, which was last June was when the
01:25:00
album was supposed to come out. So, so
01:25:03
is the Tesla roster going to come out?
01:25:05
>> Siri 2.0 or Street Manifesto first?
01:25:11
>> That's a good question. Probably at the
01:25:12
same time. Someone was joking on the
01:25:14
Streetlight subreddit that the reason it
01:25:15
hasn't come out was because uh their
01:25:17
music is gonna be in GTA 6's uh like the
01:25:21
radio station. So, they're just delaying
01:25:24
it alongside GTA. Anyway, I just had to
01:25:26
tell you guys that
01:25:28
>> for my like two fans out there that care
01:25:29
about this.
01:25:30
>> I know there's at least two though
01:25:32
because Ellis told me that at South by
01:25:33
Southwest somebody said that her husband
01:25:36
cared about Street Light.
01:25:37
>> She know she was like she was like, "My
01:25:38
husband's a huge fan of the podcast.
01:25:40
Like, I'm so sorry. Like I've never seen
01:25:42
an episode. I don't really know anything
01:25:43
about it, but I do know that
01:25:47
someone on the podcast is like a fan of
01:25:49
this really small band I'm really really
01:25:51
into. And I was like, "It's Streetlight
01:25:52
Manifesto and David, isn't it?" She was
01:25:54
like, "Yeah."
01:25:55
>> So, thank you. Now we can do trivia.
01:25:59
>> Can I tell you guys a funny AI overview
01:26:01
thing that happened to me a little bit
01:26:02
ago?
01:26:02
>> Yeah.
01:26:03
>> Um, I was trying to Google the English
01:26:06
translation. I was trying to see if
01:26:07
there was an English translation of this
01:26:09
book that's like a collection of
01:26:10
folklore that I really wanted to read.
01:26:12
And so I searched English and then the
01:26:15
name of the book
01:26:16
>> and um it's like a collection of these
01:26:18
stories and
01:26:20
>> AI overview mixed up the ISBN which is
01:26:24
like the sort of the book registration
01:26:25
number with the number of stories in it.
01:26:27
So it said the Mabanagion is a
01:26:29
collection of 111125239255811137281023
01:26:38
3818912
01:26:40
321154
01:26:42
medieval Welsh pros tales. I don't know
01:26:45
what that number is. Uh but I guarantee
01:26:48
you there is not that much of anything
01:26:50
in anywhere.
01:26:50
>> That's almost as long as the
01:26:51
simmerelion.
01:26:52
>> No, there's way more.
01:26:53
>> I had a huge fight with uh
01:26:56
>> AI overview. Well, it was like Google
01:26:58
Lens search and then the AI like trying
01:27:00
to I was trying to find a keycap that
01:27:02
was on the uh mech keyboard subreddit
01:27:06
and I said, "What is this?" And it like
01:27:09
kept bringing me it's saying, "Oh, it's
01:27:10
this and this model from this artist and
01:27:13
it's on this website." I'm like, "I
01:27:14
can't find it on the website. Are you
01:27:15
sure?" "Oh, just kidding. It was
01:27:16
actually this one." For so long and then
01:27:18
I kept going like absolutely right.
01:27:19
>> It just kept saying, "It's definitely
01:27:20
from this." I said, "What p? Show me
01:27:22
link. Just send me a link. Only give me
01:27:25
the link. Don't say anything else." and
01:27:26
just never got it. And then I just
01:27:27
replied on the subreddit and in like
01:27:29
five minutes he answered what it was
01:27:30
from and I was like,
01:27:32
>> I hate AI.
01:27:34
Talking to humans is better than talking
01:27:36
to a
01:27:37
>> Did it just send you this picture over
01:27:39
and over again?
01:27:40
>> A key. A key on a baseball cap.
01:27:43
>> Keycap.
01:27:44
>> That's a fire hat. Holy.
01:27:46
>> Well, you should buy that.
01:27:47
>> I should definitely buy this.
01:27:49
>> How many Wikipedia pages are there
01:27:51
called
01:27:51
>> I hate photos so much
01:27:53
>> TV?
01:27:54
>> And I'm looking for Delta. You can go
01:27:55
over
01:27:56
>> Delta
01:27:59
Airlines.
01:28:01
>> Do you know why it's called Delta
01:28:02
Airlines?
01:28:03
>> Because
01:28:04
>> Because it changes what place you're in.
01:28:06
>> Yeah, that's
01:28:07
>> I made that up. That's not true.
01:28:09
>> True.
01:28:09
>> No, it almost is definitely because of
01:28:12
>> prices, right? Airlines.
01:28:13
>> Delta.
01:28:13
>> I was going to say Delta wings, but
01:28:15
jetliners don't use Delta wings. So,
01:28:16
>> Delta Christ.
01:28:17
>> I don't
01:28:18
>> I think it's actually just changing
01:28:19
where you are. Let's just change my
01:28:20
mind.
01:28:20
>> He was actually uh on the Deltitarian
01:28:23
diet and just came back from it.
01:28:25
>> He was eating only triangles. Allegedly,
01:28:27
it is named after the Mississippi Delta.
01:28:29
Guys, how many Wikipedia pages whoever
01:28:32
you get closest to
01:28:34
>> mouth of the river?
01:28:35
>> I said six.
01:28:37
>> Six is incorrect.
01:28:38
>> Okay. I said seven.
01:28:39
>> That is also incorrect.
01:28:40
>> I said seven.
01:28:41
>> That is third incorrect. But Marquez was
01:28:44
closest. There are three.
01:28:46
>> Oh,
01:28:46
>> there is kind of a trick question. There
01:28:48
is the page for the Apple TV hardware
01:28:50
device,
01:28:51
>> the Apple TV streaming service,
01:28:54
>> and the Apple TV app, which you can get
01:28:56
on other
01:28:57
>> devices. These are dedicated pages. I
01:28:58
>> thought there be more than one for the
01:29:00
hardware devices.
01:29:01
>> There are three things 2024,
01:29:03
>> but there's not separate pages. There's
01:29:04
just one page that details all of them.
01:29:06
>> No, these are three separate Wikipedia
01:29:07
pages.
01:29:08
>> Well, I know those are I'm talking about
01:29:09
the hardware.
01:29:10
>> Ah, yes. No, three point though.
01:29:13
>> Apple TV, Wikipedia.
01:29:14
>> Okay, needs the point, so I'll give it
01:29:15
to him. Not a single TV made by Apple.
01:29:19
>> I'm now going to hand it off to Adam for
01:29:22
a quick update on that score.
01:29:23
>> Anna de Montana.
01:29:25
>> Marquez with 19.
01:29:26
>> We got a point.
01:29:27
>> Andrew with 19. David way in the lead.
01:29:30
23.
01:29:31
>> Jesus.
01:29:32
>> Yeah. Next question. What
01:29:35
>> really got out of hand.
01:29:36
>> Did Apple release Apple Maps?
01:29:38
>> What year?
01:29:40
>> Yeah. Closest without going over.
01:29:41
>> Too high.
01:29:42
>> Yep.
01:29:42
>> Jesus Christ.
01:29:43
>> Yeah.
01:29:45
I think is this. But let me think. So
01:29:49
dubdub. Let's see. I don't know.
01:29:52
Probably was farther.
01:29:54
Without going too high.
01:29:57
>> Indeed. Without going too high.
01:29:59
>> Dang.
01:30:02
I'll try it.
01:30:04
>> And flip them and read. What do you guys
01:30:06
got?
01:30:06
>> Oh, Jesus. Oh, wow. We all
01:30:09
>> I'm just going to say all of you are
01:30:10
wrong, but tell me what your answers
01:30:12
are.
01:30:12
>> Uh, I wrote 2017. Nope.
01:30:16
>> I wrote 2014.
01:30:17
>> Nope.
01:30:18
>> 2010.
01:30:19
>> Nope. But Andrew gets the point
01:30:20
>> cuz I didn't go over, baby. Let's go.
01:30:22
>> It was 2012.
01:30:24
>> Oh,
01:30:25
>> that's my first point.
01:30:26
>> 2012.
01:30:27
>> Maybe in 2026.
01:30:29
>> No,
01:30:30
>> I went on a blazing lead to start and I
01:30:34
have not had anything.
01:30:36
>> Guns blaz.
01:30:37
>> It's essentially the New Jersey Devils.
01:30:39
>> We're going to have to
01:30:40
>> blow it out of the water and then just
01:30:42
>> Oklahoma City Thunder.
01:30:43
Yeah,
01:30:44
>> Sacramento City Kings.
01:30:48
>> That's cuz I grew up there.
01:30:49
>> That's a good
01:30:49
>> I went to a lot of games. Kobe. No, Kobe
01:30:52
wasn't.
01:30:53
>> Sorry, he was on the
01:30:54
>> Oh, that's Bam.
01:30:56
>> Bam.
01:30:57
>> No, it was um No, the old guys.
01:30:59
>> Yeah, you got this.
01:31:00
>> When the Kings were good.
01:31:01
>> Uhhuh.
01:31:01
>> Uh, hit it.
01:31:02
>> Paige. No, Mikey was not
01:31:04
>> Bibby. Are you a Bibby fan?
01:31:05
>> Bibby. I have a I had a bobblehead of
01:31:07
Bibby. Of
01:31:09
>> the bobblehead of
01:31:11
>> Bibby bobblehead. Uh, Kevin Durant.
01:31:13
>> No. No.
01:31:14
>> Deja Styovich. Does that
01:31:17
Doug Christie
01:31:18
>> Doug Christie okay Christie Mike Bby
01:31:22
>> Brad
01:31:22
>> Lander Brad
01:31:26
>> Brad Miller? I don't know. My grandpa
01:31:29
was really into Kings basketball so we
01:31:31
went to a lot of games actually.
01:31:32
>> Wow.
01:31:33
>> I was waiting for you to explain the
01:31:34
film in basketball terms and you never
01:31:36
did.
01:31:37
>> Oh yeah.
01:31:37
>> Oh the film. Oh yeah. Somebody posted
01:31:39
this. So, well, okay,
01:31:42
real quick. I got to give you guys Okay,
01:31:45
I got to tell you about this and I'll
01:31:47
explain.
01:31:49
I'm sorry.
01:31:50
>> It's not about Streetlight, though. It's
01:31:51
about film.
01:31:52
>> Okay, so Kodak, you know Kodak?
01:31:56
>> Yeah, I saw that.
01:31:57
>> I know Kodak.
01:31:57
>> They went out they went out a bit they
01:31:59
went they went bankrupt a long time ago.
01:32:01
>> I believe you.
01:32:02
>> Yeah, they went bankrupt. Kodak was
01:32:03
basically was basically like was like
01:32:06
IBM. They were like one of the biggest
01:32:09
companies in the world for quite a long
01:32:10
time. Then they went bankrupt because
01:32:12
they were stupid.
01:32:13
>> And then
01:32:13
>> because nobody shoots film anymore.
01:32:15
>> That's not true.
01:32:16
>> I do. Uh anyway, they had to split into
01:32:20
two separate companies as part of the
01:32:22
bankruptcy and they became Kodak and
01:32:25
Kodakis. Kodak Eastman and Kodakis.
01:32:28
Okay.
01:32:30
The way that the deal worked was that
01:32:31
Kodak Eastman would produce the film and
01:32:33
they would sell the film to Kodakaris
01:32:36
which would then sell sell the film to
01:32:38
consumers. They'd package itself to
01:32:40
consumers. Really strange bankruptcy.
01:32:41
>> I I don't get that.
01:32:42
>> Yeah, I don't really get
01:32:43
>> Hey, we don't have any money, so let's
01:32:44
just be the same company but two
01:32:46
companies and the same thing more
01:32:48
complicated.
01:32:48
>> There's details and there's business
01:32:50
stuff.
01:32:50
>> Tax reasons, tax reason. I don't know.
01:32:52
Anyway, uh fairly recently Kodak
01:32:55
Eastman, and I'm not sure why this
01:32:56
started happening, became able to sell
01:32:59
film itself again. So now Kodaka still
01:33:03
exists who they are still selling film
01:33:05
to, but they are now they have new
01:33:07
packaging and new names for like a lot
01:33:09
of the film that they're selling.
01:33:12
>> So there's like Ultramax and like
01:33:14
there's Portra and all this stuff. Uh,
01:33:16
Portra is the Kodak Eastman like name
01:33:20
for the film, but name for the film, but
01:33:22
the Kodak Eastman version is now called
01:33:24
like Kodak color or something like that.
01:33:27
>> Okay.
01:33:27
>> So, anyway, over the last like six
01:33:29
months, they've been re-releasing all
01:33:32
these films, but with like different
01:33:33
packaging and different names, generally
01:33:36
cheaper because they don't have to do
01:33:37
like they don't have to sell it. Eastman
01:33:40
doesn't have to. No, doesn't have to
01:33:41
make a margin.
01:33:43
Anyway, on Instagram, they they posted,
01:33:46
"We just released this new film." And
01:33:48
someone said, "Can you explain this to
01:33:49
me in basketball terms?"
01:33:51
>> Okay,
01:33:52
>> shut up,
01:33:53
>> David. So,
01:33:55
I think my basketball thing would be
01:33:57
like if Mike Bby
01:34:00
>> and Kobe
01:34:03
>> Bryant,
01:34:03
>> should I not? Is that bad to say?
01:34:06
>> No, it's a basketball player.
01:34:07
>> Kobe Bryant. My baby and Kobe Bryant
01:34:10
were like best friend were like the same
01:34:11
person and then they split into two
01:34:13
people. This is a bad analogy. I can't
01:34:14
make the B basketball analogy. I don't
01:34:17
know enough about basketball to make the
01:34:18
basketball.
01:34:18
>> I think that's a hard thing to do. I can
01:34:19
do a tech analogy.
01:34:20
>> People can't split in half.
01:34:23
>> If you can make a tech analogy, I will
01:34:25
try to make it a basketball. Okay. Okay.
01:34:27
Good. This is like telephone.
01:34:28
>> I like this
01:34:29
>> film company split in two.
01:34:31
>> Basketball it.
01:34:32
>> But no. Okay.
01:34:34
>> What's a let me let me do a tech
01:34:35
analogy.
01:34:35
>> Yeah. Okay. Imagine if Android had to
01:34:40
spin off from Google, right? And which
01:34:43
we've or Chrome, let's say Chrome,
01:34:45
>> okay?
01:34:46
>> And Google still made Chrome, but they
01:34:50
couldn't distribute it. And Chrome, the
01:34:53
company was the one that like actually
01:34:56
packaged it and distributed it to
01:34:57
people. And then later on, uh, for some
01:35:01
reason, Google was once again able to
01:35:03
make Chrome. And because Chromium is
01:35:05
open sourced, because they still have
01:35:06
the like they still have the rights to
01:35:08
do it, they released it under Google
01:35:10
Chrome as opposed to just Chrome,
01:35:13
>> you know. I got I got a version.
01:35:15
>> Okay. Basketball.
01:35:16
>> It would be like if Kevin Durant played
01:35:18
for a Seattle team called the
01:35:20
SuperSonics
01:35:21
>> and then at some point they went away
01:35:24
and they split. Kevin Durant went to
01:35:25
another team and the SuperSonics went
01:35:26
away and became Oklahoma City Thunder.
01:35:30
And then later, okay,
01:35:32
>> the NBA was like, "We should make an
01:35:33
expansion team in Seattle."
01:35:36
>> And Kevin Durant went back to the
01:35:39
Seattle team.
01:35:41
>> Oh, I like it. Okay, we should clip that
01:35:44
and uh comment on that guy's comment.
01:35:46
>> Let's see if that works. That might not
01:35:47
be.
01:35:48
>> That was like a game of telephone.
01:35:48
>> It might happen. It might not. All that
01:35:51
we've learned a lot on the pod.
01:35:52
>> Some trivia explanations.
01:35:54
>> Yeah. Hopefully some of that is
01:35:55
accurate. Hey, thanks for watching.
01:35:58
>> See you in April. Wait, really? It's
01:36:00
been a really long March. I know. It's
01:36:02
been April 1st. Wait, is it going to be
01:36:05
April 1st when we record? Next time we
01:36:06
record it will be April officially.
01:36:08
April.
01:36:08
>> So, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for
01:36:10
subscribing. Thanks for hyping. I think
01:36:12
we finally killed that feature.
01:36:14
>> Either way, catch you guys next week.
01:36:16
Peace.
01:36:16
>> Wait for produced by Adamina and Ellis
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Network and Tri Music was created by
01:36:20
Vainil.
01:36:21
>> Bingo. That was a quick one.
01:36:31
In hindsight, if I was a teacher and I
01:36:32
gave this assignment, this would
01:36:34
probably be like a lesson in like just
01:36:36
how big the solar system is. But I was a
01:36:39
very literal. I was like, I have to make
01:36:42
everything the right
