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When I was a kid in either fourth or fifth grade, we had to make, and this is a horrible assignment to give a child,
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>> a paperier-mâché. >> Oh god. >> Terrible already. >> Two scale solar system.
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>> Wait, so you had like >> which as you know is absurd one scale. >> So kids and I like a marble in a
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football field. >> Yes. Yeah. So I my son my son was like this big and Pluto was still like 20 ft
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away and I had everything connected with like dowels and strings and like I did bring that into school.
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>> I don't remember. I got to ask my parents about this cuz I remember this
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project. >> What you should have done is brought in the sun and be like the rest is at home
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>> where it belongs. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week it
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is still TACH, believe it or not. Are we doing it? Is still tech March and thus we have lots of things to talk about. We
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have uh dubbed updates getting announced. We have IGDMs. We have US governments banning routers, lots of
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acronyms. Uh also some new flighty updates, one of my favorite apps of all time. Uh ads and Apple Maps, no more
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Sora, and a million other little things. So let's just jump. So many things this
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week. It's crazy. >> It's a lot of small things. Yeah. So, a lot of four bullet points.
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>> Yeah. >> The whole outline pretty much. >> But we can we can at least vamp, you
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know, that's what we're good at. >> Bullshitting. >> We yap. We're yappers. Adam's ready to
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yap. And did we even did they even test it? >> Oh, nice. Good segue. You caught me off
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guard. >> Yeah. Did they even test this? You might have caught it on the studio channel if
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you follow them. They did a short about it yesterday. Eric and Rich. But I was annoyed because me and Rich were
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transferring files yesterday and I gave him a hard drive and then as he's going
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to give it back to me, he rightclicks it and he looks for unmount but it's right
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next to erase like format. Who decided that >> Yeah, and erase should be right next to each
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other. >> Say even worse, they both start with a capital E, so it's it's just right
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there. >> Like if you're not paying attention >> Yeah. >> And I think I've done that actually.
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But erase does give you an additional prompt that says, "Are you sure?" Right?
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>> No. Yeah. And then I panic and I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no." But I've
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definitely hit erase accidentally before. >> Doesn't eject give you a No, it doesn't.
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>> No, no, no. But you wouldn't be surprised if it got a prompt. You just
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hit yes. And you're like, "Wait, did that say that?" >> Your your reactions to the enter button
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are much quicker than reading comprehension. >> It's true. >> Yeah.
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>> And it's the same on So, it happened on his Mac and then it was the same thing
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on my Samsung phone. It's also like if you go into the files app and you hit
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the three dots to eject the hard drive or whatever, it's right next to erase.
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So this is like a standard. >> Wait, when you connect a drive to your Samsung phone,
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>> that's hilarious that more than one company did this. >> Like who decided this?
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>> Is it alphabetical? Hold on. This is crazy. Eject. >> I guess I don't have a drive attached.
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Wow. >> Maybe because they're alphabetical, but nothing else. Wait, >> I doubt it.
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>> No, it's not cuz right above it is like >> it's probably just because it's an
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action for the text. Yeah, if I right click anything, it's not in alphabetical
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order. So, >> cuz generally that drop down is like folder colors and a bunch of other
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stuff. So, then those two are just like actions that are >> Yeah. >> similar, but not ones you want to be
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similar. >> It's it's like engineer brain versus designer brain, you know? Like engineer
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brain would be like, yeah, like those are two things you do to the drive. I'm
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going to order them in terms of severity. Whereas a designer would be like at no point does anyone ever
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choosing between those two options. like they should be far away. >> Yeah, erase should be at the bottom.
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>> If we want a good example of a designer brain that may not have noticed
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something that feels too obvious, we just released these studio stickers >> which if you are an audio listener
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essentially what our uh design team has thought up of which I think is really interesting is the eyropper tool from
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like Photoshop or any design program except that we have cut it out. So there is a it's not clear. It's just a
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straight cutout in the eyedropper and in the circle that it's selecting. So no
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matter what you put it on, it looks like you're selecting the color of >> A lot of people got very confused at
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this. Somebody posted on our subreddit um our unofficial subreddit. They're like, I'm confused. How did they get the
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colors to match exactly >> what the thing they put it on and it's because there's a cutout and it's clear
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and you can see through it. >> That's what I was saying. Like our designers, somebody said in Instagram,
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is there a red one? >> It's like yes, there is any color you could ever think of. whatever it is
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underneath it. >> None of us ever thought that would happen, but there are multiple comments
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on Twitter and Reddit and Instagram. So, yes, whatever color you would like. These are new stickers available
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>> except except teal. It doesn't work on teal. >> It doesn't. Well, it shouldn't. Sorry,
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Dave. >> I will say that it works much better on like brighter, more vibrant colors. I
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put it on my iPhone um blue, whatever the blue color is called this year >> and it's like it's it's not as poppy.
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You know, when you put on your water bottle, you're like, "Whoa." It like
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looks like a red sticker, like a bright red sticker. It's pretty cool. >> But on my dark blue iPhone, it's not as
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vibrant. So, I would put on your more vibrant. >> You're using an old version also that
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has a clear outline, which creates less contrast on the >> over Oh, you're right. I'm using We have an
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old all white outline now. So no matter what your color is, you should get a big
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contrast boost because it's a great point. >> That's a great point. That's a great
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point. It's a classic of like we've been in the weeds working on this for so long
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that when it comes out, we assume everyone knows all of the things, but now you know all the things.
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>> Luckily, this is just a sticker and you can figure it out by yourself. >> You get the sticker, you're like, "Oh,
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this is nice. This is good." >> Yeah. And if you want new things to put
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the stickers on, there's new software coming out in June from Apple because WWDC just got announced. You can put
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your stickers on your software >> in the metaverse >> as long as it's not teal.
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>> As long as it's not teal. >> I'm kidding. It's a sticker. It does
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work on teal. >> Yeah. So, here's one of our two bullet point uh things. Actually, there's only
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one bullet point, but WWDC starts on Monday, June 8th. It is once again on a Monday for some reason. I don't know why
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they keep doing this. Usually events are on Tuesdays so that people can travel and not have to travel over the weekend.
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Um but it is on a Monday. So, you know, we're going to be seeing what's going on
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there. There's going to be some new Apple Intelligence stuff. >> 27 >> hopefully iOS 27. Which brings us to
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Apple is reportedly testing a standalone Siri app. And uh we know that Siri is going to be powered by Gemini. And so
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this feels like it will possibly just kind of be a Gemini rapper, you know, because Gemini has a dedicated app and
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that's how people interact with it. But you can also interact with it through
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the phone through asking, you know, hey G, what's up with this? You can do things via Gemini through a Gemini
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rapper. It was just Meek Mill. >> Oh, wow. Meek is >> That was a crazy cut. Not even deep
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because it was new, but if you saw it, >> who is Meek Mill? >> I'm just on
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>> No, that was a Twitter reference. >> Yeah, it was a recent Twitter reference
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like been tweeting about AI all week. Sorry. I totally >> He's a rapper also if you didn't know
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that. Hence, >> I thought you meant he was actually his his birth sign. >> That's what I thought, too. Yeah.
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>> Now, Mico's been tweeting about Claude all week. That's really funny.
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>> Got it. >> That is funny. Okay. >> Wait, I need to know now. What's his
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sign? Hold on. He's a Taurus. He's a >> Taurus Bros. Nice. >> Anyway, anyway, um yeah, so it seems
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like we're going to get the Siri 2.0 potentially in the iOS 27 release. Uh despite previously being stated that it
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will come out in iOS 26.4 4 26.5 German is reporting that there will be a separate app that looks like iMessage
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when you message it. >> I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, >> cuz a lot of this was maybe this is just
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because of u what was the new one open claw how people were like interacting it with through messages. That was an
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interesting like paradigm of just I want to chat with my chatbot. Everyone knows
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iMessage. So an app that's Siri but it looks like iMessage is interesting. It's
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a concept that Apple can do. I think it's good and weird because like it's
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obviously familiar to iPhone users because it looks like iMessage, >> but then also like the fact that there's
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two apps that look exactly the same, but one is the AI one. I guess you'll never
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get them confused, but it feels like maybe it could just be in the messages app.
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>> Like why not just a a top chat like a pin chat that's now >> inside the messages,
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>> which is what WhatsApp did for a very long time. >> And I think didn't Google messages do
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that with Gemini or you can chat to Gemini. >> You can chat to Gemini. can pin it if
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you want to the top and there's a chat in there. >> So, I can see that.
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>> I think that makes a lot of sense. Um, it's also being reported that they're
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testing a lot of new different Siri designs, which is kind of sad cuz I like the current kind of rainbow wavy one
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that they got going on. But apparently it may come out of the dynamic island. Um, and it will probably be replacing
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Spotlight so that Siri can access different types of data because Spotlight is fairly limited on what the
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phone can access. And now that Siri is going to have this new LLM built in, it'll be able to understand more context
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and kind of reach for different types of things. Um, and apps will also be getting an ask with Siri option so you
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can get more context about the things that you're currently looking at on your
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screen. So, it really kind of just feels like Apple is following what Google is doing with Gemini where Gemini is
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embedded inside of Android and it's just kind of part of the OS. I think Apple is
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moving in that direction. >> Clippy. >> Clippy. >> Microsoft had it right years ago.
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>> Ahead of it time. Yeah. Google, we always say Google Glass ahead of its
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time, Clippy ahead ahead of its time. >> They kill Clippy so hard. We're saying
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Microsoft's ahead of its time, and this Siri isn't even out yet, and we're still
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giving it more credit. >> Yeah, that ahead of time. >> Bring back Clippy. That's all you needed
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to do. >> Some people were saying there were rumors that we were going to get a beta
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drop that included Siri like this week. I would personally prefer if they just waited till June and it was one big like
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release announcement because it would be more exciting. I think the thing I heard
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was like updated Gemini queries inside of like Apple intelligence, but that the new Siri would be in iOS 27 cuz like
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they have to drop it at dubdub. Apple needs an event for everything except for AirPods Max 2 and then
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>> they that's where they're going to drop it even though it probably should have
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been dropped at last dubdub even though it probably should have been dropped at the
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>> 24. >> Well, it was dropped at that one and then not actually dropped event
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announced and then not dropped at the iPhone. >> They did drop it. you know,
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>> they dropped the out of they dropped the ball. >> Yeah. So, I mean, iOS 27 is going to
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come out officially with the iPhone 27. So, that would be like a Septemberish type of time frame. So, if they announce
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what they're going to do with it in summer, >> iPhone 18. >> Yeah, sorry. iPhone 18, iOS 27. Yeah.
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2027 September. >> Correct. Yeah, >> that could possibly be the big drop of
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like all the new features. The new Siri, everything comes out at once and the new
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phone happens to have a couple other We've seen rumors of like new features of the iPhone,
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>> but we should get some developers stuff in like July, right? When 27 beta comes
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out early. >> Well, the beta comes out on the day of Dubdub. Like it drops that day.
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>> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Developer beta. Yeah, >> developer beta. But like people usually
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aren't allowed to make videos and stuff until >> Fun fact, you're not technically Okay.
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How how how in the weed should I get this? >> Let's get weedy right now.
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>> Well, okay. You are not allowed when you sign the developer agreement to make
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videos about the developer beta. >> Most people don't read that and don't
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care. >> Yeah. >> But we are in a unique position where we have some working relationship with
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Apple and so we try to follow the actual rules. And so when the developer beta comes out and everyone makes videos
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about the developer beta that they're technically not allowed to, but they do
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it anyway. Yeah. >> I wait because I agreed to the developer agreement and then a month later when
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the public beta comes out, I make a video on that using my experience from the developer beta.
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>> Right. >> On the public beta. >> The benefit of Waveform is we can just
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report on everybody else's videos and talk about it however we want before that.
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>> Look at this. >> Exactly. That's that. Um should we do the other Apple thing and just get it
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out of the way or what do you think? ads in Apple Maps. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh Apple's going to allow
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businesses to buy ads in Apple Maps. And I can already hear people being like, "Wow, Apple Maps is sucky now." Which I
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I still don't like it to be clear. I still like Google Maps a lot more. Google Maps, you probably don't know
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this, but has had ads for an extremely long period of time. >> A Google product
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>> with with ads. >> It's their main their main money maker. That's crazy. Yeah. No, I mean if you go
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on Google Maps right now, you'll just see Dunkin Donuts around you without trying to search for it.
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>> It's so weird. Oh, is that in Maybe that's in ways. I think ways when you're
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just like driving and it's just like, >> "Hey, there's a Wendy's right there."
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Okay, cool. I don't care. >> Yeah, >> it's like your friend pointing out the
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window like, "Hey." >> Yeah, >> there's a Wendy's right there.
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>> So, it's going to allow people, well, people that want to sell ads to have
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suggested places at the top of search results. Um, and this is going to be based on places that are trending and
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based on your recent searches and it will not be associated with your Apple account because all of the data is
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stored on device. So, they're still trying to be hardcore about security about that. And they also say that the
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places that you go to are not shared with advertisers. Now, that's also what uh Chad GPT said
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when they said that they were going to do ads, but um we'll have to see if that's true.
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>> What's funny about that is maps is like a very personal app. It's like where
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you're going and your location all the time. Yeah. >> And I do feel like, and this is maybe
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this is a hot take, but everyone loves, you know, to talk about I would rather have privacy than have
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your maps app, wouldn't you rather have personalized ads than like I never drink
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coffee. Why am I still getting Starbucks ads everywhere I go? I would rather have
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the personalized ad for the thing that I would actually maybe go to than constantly get things that are not
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associated with me at all. Yeah, I feel like that I would actually appreciate that because I might actually go to the
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Jollibee and I would never go to the Starbucks that I might get an ad for from Apple.
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>> You go to Starbucks a lot for a non- coffee drinker. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe that's a bad
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example, >> but I just want to say I've never seen someone go to Starbucks as often and
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never order coffee. >> I think people I just You're big on the pumpkin bread.
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>> The bread is >> Can I warm it up for you? Yeah. >> Yes, you can.
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>> I think best item at Starbucks is the uh the thing that has the spinach and the
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feta wrap. the spinach fed app. >> It's a solid breakfast. Yeah, they got a
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couple breakfast sandwiches. Anyway, my point is Google's going to give me ads
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>> based on the way too much that it knows about me and Apple's going to give me
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ads based on the knowing nothing about me. And I suspect I'll be more annoyed
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by the ones that are for the thing that I've never considered going to. That's
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kind of the the big question that's been asked for the last few years cuz when
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Apple dropped the ask app not to track feature and then Meta was like wouldn't
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you rather that you had more integrated and it's like it's kind of I don't know
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I I know a lot of people who buy a lot of things from Instagram ads >> so I've never bought anything from an
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Instagram ad because I will not let them win but I know that it can be quite effective for a lot of people. It
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reminds me of that story of the the woman who didn't know she was pregnant, but Amazon did
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>> because it was surv. >> Yeah, Target. And then they start recommending things for they targeted
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her, I guess. >> It was also a minor. So, >> I'll be interested in how this pops up.
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Is it popping up while you're searching for places? Is that taking over the top
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of it? Is it just suggestions when you first open Apple Maps? Is like you think about places like Yelp that were a place
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thing and Yelp is just uh destroyed ever since they did all the like you can pay
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to get >> like placed up higher and better reviews or whatever. >> No one cares about Yelp anymore.
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>> Yelp has also famously like kind of exploited PE like businesses and called
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them and be like, "We're going to take you off of our recommendations if you
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don't pay us." That's Yeah, like there are stories about this. >> It's crazy. So, yeah, we'll we'll see. I
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mean, it's I don't even know how many people actually use Apple Maps anymore,
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but >> Yeah. >> Or not anymore, but ever did. >> As long as it's clearly marked as an ad
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so I can very quickly skip it, then I'm happy. Yeah. So, >> that's the hard part though is like what
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if the ad does look really scrumptious >> then that's a successful >> I know but how many like like what you
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said if you see it say ad I'm usually like hardwired to skip but then there's
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the times where it's like >> that does sound really good but is this actually good or is this just an ad
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second layer of research of like let me click it let me look at the reviews >> I'm hungry I'm just trying to eat
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>> I know it's usually I'm trying to research >> that's why I don't like that's why
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nobody wants ads and maps Like you just want to find the thing, go to the thing,
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but the ad's going to pop up and be like, "Hey, what about you want to go to
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this other place?" Like, "No, I I actually opened this app just to go somewhere else. Thank you very much."
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>> It is frustrating. Even Google Maps will be like, "Best food near me." And it'll
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give me like a 4.5 because that that restaurant like paid for it or whatever. It's like suggested sponsored result and
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it's like gh Yeah. Apple is in this weird place where it's like slowly trying to transition towards other
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revenue sources because they're scared of the iPhone making less money over time and
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>> all these things happening and uh you know they can't retain as many people as
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they want on their other services. So that >> this will come up again later in this
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podcast. >> Oh it will yeah it will it will for shadowing. >> We'll see how that happens.
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>> Marquez, what are you more excited about the a Samsung A series or flighty?
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>> Is that is that a question? Real question lips when we were flighty >> before we started before we started
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recording I was like I think flighty is like top five app of all time >> insane take
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>> and it's not like a multi it's not multiplatform it's not like a very broad
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thing that everyone can use not everybody flies enough to give any hoots about flighty but if you do fly a loty
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is goated and everybody who flies a lot knows that so it's weirdly and it's
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tucked away in the corner of like hey do you fly a lot no question about it this
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app is unbelievably useful That will be a flighty ad by Monday. >> Sorry, it's just facts. Anyway, they uh
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No, they just announced another thing. So, kind of like I'm I'm describing it
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as like ways for airports. They're calling it airport intelligence. And essentially what it does is it allows
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you a broader view of like what's going on with airports in general. So, Flighty, for those who don't know, is
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like a flight tracker app. You put in your flight information. It tells you everything you need to know about your
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flight as you're about to fly, while you're flying. As soon as you land, it
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tells you where your baggage is going to be. If it's delayed, it tells you why
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it's delayed before the airline usually does all this stuff. It's super useful.
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So, airport intelligence is like, let's say hypothetically there's some something going on with airports in your
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area. >> Allegedly. >> Yeah, allegedly. This could happen. Maybe >> the timing for this release is
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>> perfect. >> It's really good timing. Yeah. >> Uh, so something weird's going on at an
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airport in your area and it's affecting like kind of all flights and you're
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flying tomorrow and you just kind of want to get an idea of like maybe I should go to security check-in like 2 or
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3 hours early for example. Just a hypothetical. You would be able to look at the airports in your area and look at
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their status in this which is sort of aggregating a bunch of data I assume from flighty users and from you know the
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FAA and everything contributing to one spot kind of like ways and you can get an idea of if the airport in question is
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affected or not and make your decision accordingly. So again as someone who flies a lot another useful feature I
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will be happily using this. It is kind of slow right now I assume because it just launched but it is full of
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information about every airport. I'm It's crazy that they launched this before the FAA did, but
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>> I think that's the least surprising thing. >> I mean, yeah, true. Yeah. There was an
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interview with the United CEO like a year ago and they're like they asked him, "What is one thing that you wish
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that you did to like update your tech stack earlier?" And he said, "I wish we
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bought Flighty." >> Wow. >> Like he specifically said that. He was
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like, "They're doing insanely good things." And I have made I think they've
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made them offers and they said no. >> Yeah. Every time I fly, I get the my
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iPhone has the live activity for the United app and for flighty and I immediately dismiss the United one
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because I just use the flighty one. >> You should just not allow it to send you
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notifications. >> Yeah. Well, I also click on it for my boarding pass. That's the one thing I
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have the United app for though is the boarding pass. Everything else I I just get from flighty.
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>> Wait, did they even test this United boarding pass? If you have multiple
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people on the reservation and you are not the first one, if you have like your boarding pass up and ready and then lock
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your phone waiting in line and then come up, it resets back to the first one. I've scanned adamant before on business
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trips and then we have to figure out which one I did wrong. >> Yeah. >> Terrible. United.
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>> Yeah. >> Should be able to pin your boarding pass. >> Yeah. You should be able to have your
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boarding pass in flighty. >> You should be able to what? >> Be able to have your boarding pass in
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flighty. >> Oh yeah. Why? Why? Why can't we do that? There's probably a reason why we can't
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do that. >> Because they want you to use their app. >> Yeah, probably.
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>> That's probably why. >> Anyway, so that's that. The other thing
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that you mentioned, Andrew, is Samsung dropping the new A series of phones. Uh I only put this in here cuz I thought it
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was just a note and interesting that they all have the same battery size. >> These aren't notes. So, yeah. So, it's
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the Samsung A57 and A37. The A37 will be 449. The A57 will be 5.49. So, these are
00:20:53
like your mid-range fighters. is we've seen a lot of phones coming out at these
00:20:55
price points and they look just like the rest of the Samsung S series phones like
00:21:01
S26s. They look like they have triple cameras, but one of them is a macro camera. You know, they make the
00:21:05
appropriate cuts to reach these price points. But the one thing they did is they both have 5,000 mAh batteries,
00:21:11
which is the same size as the S26 Ultra. So, the $1,200 phone has a 5,000 mAh battery and the $450 phone also has a
00:21:21
5,000 mAh battery. It's one of those things where you're like really pumped
00:21:24
for the cheap phone and really bummed for the expensive phone. >> Pretty much.
00:21:27
>> It's like hard to complain about this because I'm so happy that the mid-range
00:21:30
phones are getting that. >> Yeah. >> But you got to take that as a kick in
00:21:34
the teeth if you bought the 26 Ultra. >> Yeah. You can't That's It's I I said in
00:21:38
my review so I don't have to harp on it again, but that is maybe the least Ultra
00:21:42
Ultra phone right now. Yeah. >> This is the S26 Ultra. >> Back to the S20 days. S20 Ultra.
00:21:47
>> Great phone. I I told I I told it like it is in the review, but yeah, as far as
00:21:51
the word ultra concerned, >> Adam, did you purchase another phone? >> The S26 Ultra.
00:21:57
>> He had it last. What color was it? It was a different color that I seen.
00:21:59
>> It's black. >> Yeah, the black. >> Yeah, the black one.
00:22:01
>> Yeah, I had the like purple. >> How long do you plan to stay on that?
00:22:04
>> Till the iPhone allegedly folds. >> We'll see. >> Interesting. That's that I don't think
00:22:09
that's going to happen. I think you're going to change earlier. >> Definitely.
00:22:12
>> Possibly. >> I thought you were going to say till my next shipment comes in of whatever I
00:22:16
ordered yesterday. Yeah. Well, you could buy that or you could buy a MacBook Neo.
00:22:22
So, choose wisely >> for 1,200 bucks. >> No, the the the cheap one. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. The cheap Yeah, that's
00:22:30
crazy. Yeah, you can buy that or a Neo. That's wild. >> Speaking of the MacBook Neo, you want to
00:22:34
talk about this Windows 11 problem? >> Yeah, we can do this before it breaks.
00:22:37
So, uh recent video on the channel will be live by the time you see this, which is just talking about the Windows laptop
00:22:44
problem. This was inspired by the two Mac laptops that I've tested most recently, the MacBook Neo, their 599,499
00:22:53
mid-range fighter, and the M5 Max MacBook Pro, which I've also tested. I was running all my benchmarks on it. It
00:23:00
had like 18,000 megaby per second SSD read and write speeds, which is crazy. It has benchmarked multi-core, higher
00:23:08
than any other Mac ever, including the Mac Pro and M3 Ultra. It has GPU scores matching M3 Ultra, which is insane. This
00:23:15
is a Max chip in a laptop. So, I'm actually thinking like this is now a laptop that could actually replace my
00:23:23
Mac Pro and be my desktop. I might be that guy at some point. >> But having all these thoughts also made
00:23:29
me think, well, what's going on in Windows land? Like, what is actually the equivalent of, you know, the highest end
00:23:35
laptop you could get? And could it be the desktop that I choose to use? How good are those laptops? And so that had
00:23:40
me digging into like, okay, what's going on with XPS? What's going on with Razer
00:23:45
Blades? What's going on also with the Neo competitors? I bought a $550 Acer laptop. We tested that. And essentially
00:23:51
conclusion I came to was Apple's Apple Silicon Advantage and their vertical integration.
00:23:55
>> Yeah. >> Is a huge advantage at the high end for efficiency and performance. And it turns
00:24:00
out to also be a huge advantage at the low end for cost. >> Yeah. And the cherry on top is that
00:24:06
Apple doesn't actually really need to make a ton of money on Neo's on the
00:24:11
hardware margin services >> because it is it's basically as I said in the video like a Trojan horse for new
00:24:17
Apple customers which then will spend way more on software on services on Apple Care on Apple TV on Apple Creative
00:24:26
Studio all these other things. So they don't have to make the $100 on the hardware margin, but they will make a
00:24:32
ton of money over time on just getting a new person to be a Mac user. >> This is the entire Chromebook play. It
00:24:37
was get people on Google services when they're 5 years old so that they will
00:24:41
use services for the rest of their life. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So it was interesting to sort of see
00:24:46
that in real time and just like put the machines next to each other and be like,
00:24:49
"Oh yeah, they they can make just a straight up better laptop for the same price and that's going to get people to
00:24:55
become first time Mac people." I mean, a Windows computer has parts from a ton of
00:24:59
different companies, and every single one of those companies has to make margin.
00:25:03
>> That's literally the main problem. >> Disadvantage off the riff, like having
00:25:08
to do that. And >> that bites, it's the same. It's like similar with Android phones, it's
00:25:13
similar with uh tablets. It's just like when Apple has the full integration through, they there's a benefit there.
00:25:19
Even just like making software on mobile, right? Like we see all the time, if you're making iOS software,
00:25:25
>> you don't have to do it that hard. But if you're making Android software, it
00:25:29
has to fit >> a thousand >> like thousands of thousands of tens of thousands of different like form factors
00:25:35
and phones and resolutions and aspects. >> That's why Google has been so hardcore
00:25:39
about just trying to make Android so flexible with screen sizes and stuff. >> And that's part of the advantage, right?
00:25:44
Is there is a choice. Like in Android land, if I really, really, really care about having 8K video, well, there is no
00:25:50
iPhone that can do that. So, if I just want to choose a phone that can shoot 8K video, you can find that in Android
00:25:55
land. You can find all sorts of other different things you might care about like a folding screen or whatever in
00:26:00
Android land. Yeah. >> But the couple of phones that Apple makes are like locked in, super tightly
00:26:05
integrated, and you might not be super used to the way they do things, but they do it the same way every single time.
00:26:11
So, you you kind of just get used to that when you're in that ecosystem. >> Yeah. And yeah, that's kind of the same
00:26:15
thing with Windows. Now, in this sort of latest generation, this is the nuance of
00:26:19
it is yes, you depend on all these different companies who make the parts to your computer to all make their
00:26:26
margin, but also make a good piece. You have to have to make a great Windows laptop, several different companies all
00:26:33
executing and firing all cylinders at the same time for your one computer to be good. So if you're Dell and you make
00:26:38
the XPS like I showed, you're also depending on Intel to be making a good chip at that time, which they are. And
00:26:46
you know, you're Dell, you have to make a good computer with a good screen and a
00:26:49
good keyboard and all that stuff, which they are. And you need Windows to be good.
00:26:56
>> I'm fine with Windows. I like Windows. >> Yeah. So, Windows 11 is in kind of a
00:26:59
weird place because not everybody's loving Windows 11. I do not I haven't
00:27:04
used Windows since Windows 10 and I was jumping into Windows 11 again and I set up this XPS. It took me 45 minutes to
00:27:09
set it up. >> The setup is sufferable. >> There were mandatory downloading updates
00:27:14
and stuff. Once I got through the updates, it was like sign into this, sign into that, download Microsoft 365,
00:27:18
do you want to use Copilot? Do you want recall on? Do you want all these other things? And I was like, no, no, no, no,
00:27:23
no. All this stuff it was asking me. And then I finally got in to my clean install of Windows and then I got a
00:27:27
popup for McAfee to be installed. >> And this is this is the other thing. The
00:27:31
only other way that these manufacturers that make the laptops can make the laptops cheap enough to even be
00:27:36
competitive at all is that they have to put a bunch of bloatware on it. They have to get more.
00:27:40
>> Yeah. I mean, we see this on Android phones, too. Like the Android phones
00:27:43
that come with Facebook installed and come with Instagram installed. They don't do that out of the kindness of
00:27:47
their heart. They do that because Meta pays them to do that. >> So, yeah, it's just it's not a good
00:27:52
situation for anybody else. And Microsoft really they tried to do the vertical integration with the Surface
00:27:58
but I just they're such a B2B company that it's such an afterthought for them.
00:28:02
We saw this with the Pixel for a very long time. The the Nexus program the Pixel Tensor
00:28:07
>> Google didn't really care about the Pixel and they still don't really care.
00:28:11
They're trying to care more and the Pixels are really good now. They're really really good now but it still
00:28:16
doesn't have quite the level of vertical integration that they would like. And
00:28:20
even if they achieved it, they're in this weird spot where they make Android
00:28:24
for everyone else. Yeah. >> So they're competing against all of that. >> Yeah.
00:28:29
>> While also providing them with the OS. So this happens in in Google land
00:28:34
because they make the Pixel and Tensor and they're all vertically integrated
00:28:36
and they'll give the Pixel exclusive Android features and now they're competing against every other Android
00:28:40
phone. Same thing happened with Windows and Microsoft and Surface and making this beautifully ideally very vertically
00:28:47
integrated thing. Now you're competing against all your other OEMs trying to
00:28:51
make good Windows machines. And maybe that's like a lead by example type thing,
00:28:55
>> but it just it never went well. >> Yeah. >> And the funny thing about the the the
00:28:58
Google Android features thing is that they also want to make Android a popular OS to compete with iOS. And so they have
00:29:05
to eventually give a lot of these features to the the broader Android ecosystem. And that's why Google does
00:29:10
this awkward thing where they have Pixel exclusive features for like 2 months and
00:29:14
then it goes to every other Android phone because they need other people to want to use Android in general. It's
00:29:19
also why they had that weird bromance with Samsung for such a long time. >> Yeah.
00:29:23
>> You look like you really want to say something. >> I I've just been fighting a Windows PC
00:29:26
all week and and like to be honest I I it's all tinfoil hat stuff like because
00:29:32
it's a Windows PC that on paper has a really good graphics card and a really
00:29:37
good pro or you know good enough graphics card and a good enough processor but like and we didn't build
00:29:42
this PC and it it sort of is the things that you know you I think you've been
00:29:46
talking about Marquez like like it's for a video we're working on that involves
00:29:50
this like peripheral device that connects via USB 3.0 know and it keeps crashing all the time and I couldn't
00:29:56
figure out why it kept crashing. And my working theory right now and I haven't
00:30:00
like tested this so again it's tinfoil hat is that the USB 3.0 ports on this
00:30:05
computer are just not USB 3.0 ports. That that's my best guess cuz when you and the USB 3.2 ports are USB 3.0 part
00:30:13
ports and it's like there's no way the company who built this PC, you know, they didn't build the the
00:30:20
ports. They definitely got the the USB IO box like from >> the motherboard.
00:30:24
>> Yeah. From someone else. But it's like that is sort of what you're talking
00:30:27
about. It's like you need all or like for some reason not a single Bluetooth
00:30:32
keyboard will connect to this PC. Not one. There's there's one Logitech keyboard in the whole office that will
00:30:37
connect for 30 seconds and then immediately disconnect. And the rest of And it's not like I haven't tried all
00:30:43
100 Bluetooth keyboards that are in the office. >> Where could those be? >> Where could those have come from? So I
00:30:49
just this is all ringing very true. >> It also is shaped like a shoe. >> Well, I was trying not to I don't know
00:30:54
if that any of these are the problems I don't want out. >> There's a chance like that computer
00:30:59
doesn't get used very often. There might be some driver updates that are in there
00:31:02
that we haven't like dug that deep into where like it was dormant for a while.
00:31:06
So totally >> some are probably that, but some are also like it should be easy to figure
00:31:10
out what those problems are. >> Yeah. I don't want to I don't want to
00:31:12
accuse anyone of counterfeit USB ports, but I genuinely cannot I'm at the point
00:31:18
now where I'm like, why why does the USB 3.0 cable not get USB 3.0 speeds until
00:31:24
it's in the 3.2 port? Why does the 3.0 port not give 3.0 speeds? >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:31
>> What? >> Yeah. >> Sorry, I was looking into the eyes of your hat for a second.
00:31:36
>> Yeah, I should probably address this. This is Franklin, the mascot of the
00:31:39
Philadelphia 76ers. Thank you to fan Michael for the sick hat. I'm going to be wearing this the whole
00:31:44
>> Why do they have a cat as the mascot? >> It's a dog. His name is Franklin.
00:31:47
>> That is a cat a thousand%. >> Is Franklin a turtle? >> Has whiskers.
00:31:50
>> Franklin is Benjamin Franklin, the founding father. That's half of the
00:31:55
things in Philadelphia. >> A dog. >> Benjamin Franklin was in fact >> What number president was he?
00:32:00
>> He was president number six. And he when he signed the Declaration of Independence, it was a paw print.
00:32:06
>> He got that dog in him. >> Cat print. Um um >> to bring it back, I think the the best
00:32:12
way >> I didn't notice that. >> I feel like the best way if you really
00:32:19
want an example of the difference between like the vertical integration in Apple and the vertical integration in
00:32:24
Android Windows. go on our Apple and go on our Android and watch everyone in Apple is just generally mad at the same
00:32:31
thing where everyone in Android is mad at each other because even though they're all using Android, they're all
00:32:36
fans of different companies of phones and they all hate each other. It is just the wildest infighting ever. And like
00:32:45
>> now imagine all of those different people need to work together and build
00:32:48
something and it's just >> and and to be fair like >> I'm a full Android and Windows user at
00:32:53
home by the way. I only use Apple stuff that work. >> I like Android better than iOS by far.
00:32:58
And there's a great piece by David Pierce. He uh he tried to use Android for like the last four months and he
00:33:04
used a bunch of different phones and he really liked the Fairphone 6, but it doesn't work on Verizon, so he couldn't
00:33:09
do it. But um he went back to iOS because his conclusion was effectively phones are app machines and iOS has
00:33:17
better apps and he relies on too many iOS apps to go back to Android which sucks because Android is a way better
00:33:23
OS. >> Well, I I want to play devil's advocate cuz as someone who's like fully Apple,
00:33:27
you know, ecosystemed up. There are a lot of these like vertically integrated things in the Apple world that are like
00:33:34
not supported to the degree they should be. Like Free Form has like six updates that they just need to add. Like there's
00:33:44
just no excuse why Free Form doesn't have these things, but I just don't
00:33:47
think they care enough about Free Form to >> to do it. And there's a bunch or like
00:33:52
why does the Apple Mail app still kind of blow you? >> So, you know what I mean? It's
00:33:59
>> when you're just the default and you get to be the default thing for
00:34:02
>> what 80% market share of the US. Like, why change? >> Why update it? Yeah. Yeah. But like why
00:34:07
is it so hard to rotate something on the desktop version of free form and why is
00:34:13
it so hard to select multiple objects on the mobile version of free form? >> I would like to see the user base for
00:34:17
free form. >> It's me. >> Yeah. I just your average Apple user. There's
00:34:24
definitely some people who hate Apple screenshotting you in that hat right now. like average.
00:34:32
There's also it's kind of like either that or the massive graveyard of stuff
00:34:37
that Google tries and then just kills a year later. >> So, it's like would I rather have the
00:34:42
kind of weak updates, but at least it works the same way every time on one side of the fence or like
00:34:48
>> Google launching an app and me going, I don't think I want to switch to this
00:34:51
because I don't trust them to even keep this alive for a year. >> RIP inbox, bro. So true. So it yeah
00:34:57
>> there's choice on one side but there's the upside and downside of that choice.
00:35:00
>> Also there's at least six free form users because there are several things
00:35:03
that I force my friends to do on free form with >> me vacations. Free form is excellent for
00:35:09
that. >> This whole conversation is also negating people who have like very specific needs
00:35:14
that software-wise or like needs to be on a Windows machine, needs to be on Android, needs to be on iOS like we're
00:35:20
talking outside of that because clearly then you only have one option. Almost every business distributes Windows
00:35:25
computers. >> I think that's a big part of the equation for like why they are where
00:35:29
they are. Especially because like you talk about like David having like he come from an iPhone so he's already
00:35:34
plugged in and use a lot of iPhone only apps. There's a lot of people who play a
00:35:38
certain game that you can't play on Mac or there are people who use certain softwares for their business that are
00:35:42
just only Windows XP. Like that that's a real thing where okay now Windows XP has
00:35:47
a massive market share because that's still stable and that's the thing that
00:35:49
we use and that's where our apps are. So, like if your dependencies or you're
00:35:53
plugged into one specific thing, like I'm a Mac user. I you not because I switched to Final Cut Pro.
00:35:59
>> Yeah. >> That is why I started using a Mac. >> Yeah. >> And now here we are a decade later and
00:36:04
I'm I'm in the ecosystem and they got me. >> That's that's the point of Neo. That's
00:36:08
the point of like all these other, you know, feelers is to just get a device in front of you that gives you options and
00:36:15
hopefully you like one of those things and then you are sucked into that ecosystem.
00:36:18
>> Yeah. And I I was the lead reviewer at Android Authority for 5 years. I didn't
00:36:21
use an iPhone until the iPhone 13 when I reviewed it. And I didn't switch to an
00:36:25
iPhone till the iPhone 15 because I had USBC. I would have never touched an Apple device and all of my dependencies
00:36:32
were in Android. Like I I could use my world. People were Nobody texted cuz when I lived in the Bay Area, everyone
00:36:38
used Facebook Messenger. But then I moved here and now I swear I am in so many iMessage group chats that every
00:36:44
time I test an Android phone, they bully the out. Now look at you. What have they
00:36:48
done to our lad? >> I know. And I know that you say that's not a real problem,
00:36:52
>> but bullying is real. Okay. I don't like crying. Do you like crying?
00:36:57
>> It sucks. >> You should uh we should get on Group Me. >> Oh my god.
00:37:01
>> Fun fact. >> Oh my god. >> Worst app of all time. >> F first messaging app of the MKBHD
00:37:06
business. >> When Brandon and Vince started the group. >> Well, because Marquez and I were in a
00:37:11
group me for our both of our ultimate team. Every frisbee team I've played for
00:37:14
for 15 years until like last year it was a group me that was the most like feature not an app app of all time.
00:37:23
>> It's genuinely I was talking about flighty being one of the five best group
00:37:26
me is one of the five worst apps >> of all time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:31
>> I want to make one final note rel related to this and then we can take it
00:37:34
to break on the Windows uh 11 thing. Dave 2D put out a really good video um recently about this. And the kind of the
00:37:42
gist of this was that a number of years ago, like five or six years ago, he had all of the Windows manufacturers uh send
00:37:50
him laptops that were in the same price range as the Apple M1 Air, I believe, >> so he could compare them. And all these
00:37:57
manufacturers like, "Sure, like, here's our laptop that's that price." And then
00:38:01
he asked all the same manufacturers this year to send him laptops that were in the same price range. And they were all
00:38:06
like, "No." >> And I feel like that kind of distills the entire thing. That's all you really
00:38:14
need to know. They're all afraid. >> They knew the video he was going to
00:38:17
make. >> It was going to make it look negative. Yeah. It was going to make it look
00:38:19
terrible. They didn't really know at the time how insane M1 was, but they still
00:38:23
feel five to six years behind at this point. So, it's it's crazy. Yeah. So, go
00:38:28
watch the video if you haven't already. I want to say something nice about Windows because everyone always tells me
00:38:33
I'm too mean to my Windows Green bubble people. I know those are two separate
00:38:37
things. >> Windows Green Bubble >> to me, you're the same. But >> yeah, that's fair.
00:38:41
>> Something nice about Windows. >> I like that they support old graphics
00:38:46
engines. I like that I can still get a DirectX driver that runs on a modern >> Windows motherboard. I think that's
00:38:54
cool. Apple does not do that. pre pre-metal stuff very hard to run on Mac OS. >> DirectX stuff very easy to run on a
00:39:02
Windows computer. >> Pre- metal we use like rocks and fire. So >> yes, I that was the name of the old
00:39:08
Apple graphics engine actually. Rocks and fire. >> Hell yeah. >> Yeah. Steve Jobs was super against it.
00:39:13
>> Yeah. And then when uh and then when Johnny IV came in and he said aluminium
00:39:17
and they knew it had to be metal. That's a great place to jump to trivia. What was the old graphics driver of
00:39:25
Apple >> rocks and fire? >> Today we're doing a number question and
00:39:29
it's Delta, not Prices, right? Rules. >> Is it United? >> No, it's Delta.
00:39:34
>> We'll talk about United later. >> Yeah, we will. Will we? >> Yes.
00:39:37
>> Oh. >> Uh, I thought >> I think we lost our chance to talk about
00:39:40
United. >> Oh, >> yeah. Also, >> we don't have to talk about it.
00:39:43
>> That's really cool. But they're like the seventh airline to do that. So, I was
00:39:46
sort of like, why are we freaking out about this? >> Skyap. It's called mingling beds
00:39:51
>> in in regular class. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> I thought that was like a super super
00:39:54
premium crazy fe. >> No. No. Most other airlines just call it I the first one that did it.
00:39:59
>> I don't know what you're talking about. >> The Okay. United was like United was
00:40:03
like guys you could get a whole row. >> Yeah. >> And then we'll like we'll like you can
00:40:08
turn it into a bed >> and relax row. Relax row. >> Relax row. Other airlines called Sky
00:40:12
Couch. I think Jet Jet Blue does this too. A bunch of the European airlines do it. This is not like a new
00:40:18
groundbreaking thing. This is like a United catching up sort of thing. >> They pretended it was.
00:40:22
>> Anyway, well, of course, it's a business thing. But anyway, today's trivia
00:40:26
question is, >> yeah, >> Delta, how many Wikipedia pages have the title Apple TV?
00:40:36
>> H >> I'm assuming it counts if it's like Apple TV parenthesis something.
00:40:42
>> And and and I'm only accepting Apple space TV, by the way. Those that exact
00:40:47
set of was that nine characters in a space. >> What about like would Apple TV Plus
00:40:52
count? >> Seven characters in a space >> or does it just have to be Apple TV?
00:40:56
>> A ple e space TV and then something in parenthesis? >> H. >> Oh,
00:41:02
>> how many Wikipedia pages have that exact title? >> Damn. Delta. >> Pretty good question.
00:41:07
>> Can we do a quick shout out? >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Someone on our subreddit watched
00:41:10
Waveform at a planetarium at their university. It was so cool. I kind of want to know what that sounded like. It
00:41:17
was probably >> like a bee's ass, >> dude. I bet. No, I sounded amazing. I
00:41:21
was >> probably the opposite. >> When I worked at Liberty Science Center,
00:41:23
the planetarium was sick. And it was also it sounded really good. I don't remember why I remember it sounded
00:41:29
really good. But the videos that they played cuz everything's it's like you're
00:41:32
looking up, everything's around your speakers everywhere. >> Your visual field is making that sound
00:41:37
better. >> Yeah. At least my memory of it was that it sounded. >> I really hope they played the episode
00:41:42
where Andrew says he can't name all the planets. >> I just I wish he stretched it. I wish
00:41:48
there was a stretch to fit somehow because seeing one of our giant faces circular like over top.
00:41:55
>> That is what it felt like to watch Project Hail Mary in the front row in 70
00:41:58
mm. >> Oh man, I've seen the the clips of like Oenheimer from the front row and just
00:42:02
like crimson shin. >> I watched Oppenheimer from the front row and I watched Project Hell Mary from the
00:42:07
front row. >> Amaze. Amazing. Amazing. Amaze. >> Shout out to that person on our
00:42:10
subreddit. >> Yeah. >> Uh photos. >> We will think about the trivia question
00:42:14
answers at the end like usual. We'll be right back. >> Yeah. I don't I don't think I can name
00:42:17
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00:43:28
killed, but not by Google. >> Big day. It was uh killed by OpenAI. It's called Sora.
00:43:33
>> Thank God. >> Ring a bell. Anyone Anyone remember Sora from a couple months ago? I actually
00:43:37
remember making a video when Sora first came out. >> We've made two, I think.
00:43:40
>> Yeah. Two now at this point of uh their video generation models. Generate
00:43:46
models. Generate video slop. Yeah. But it would get higher and higher quality over time. And I remember the first
00:43:51
videos from Sora, you know, they were, you know, Will Smith eating spaghetti but like higher fidelity than before.
00:43:56
And it got better and better and it costs more and more and more and then OpenAI was like this costs too much.
00:44:04
>> Yeah. >> And I'm glad they made that realization because I mean there's other video
00:44:08
generation models out there but Sora was like the big one that everybody knows about from OpenAI and they made the
00:44:14
decision to kill the Sora app and I assume the entire AI slop generator from top to bottom
00:44:19
>> is now gone. They'll probably turn those GPUs towards something else that we're
00:44:23
very excited about maybe. Uh but yeah, >> no more Sora. Yeah. Big day to dance on
00:44:29
a grave. >> I'm dancing boy. >> Yeah. >> What's the meme of like
00:44:33
>> is he giving the peace sign or the pray sign? Like >> where he's like in front of the grave.
00:44:37
Yeah. >> Yeah. Sora was bad. The funny thing about this uh that we reported on when
00:44:43
it happened was that Disney had made a $1 billion investment deal with OpenAI about Sora.
00:44:49
>> Yeah. >> And Disney said, "We are going to invest a billion dollars in OpenAI over X
00:44:53
period of time." And Sora is going to be in the Disney Plus app with AI generated
00:44:59
versions of our characters that you can just sort of scroll through on the Disney Plus app as a sort of like little
00:45:04
Disney Tik Tok feature. This never launched and uh reportedly the Sora engineers didn't even really know that
00:45:12
Sora was getting killed. They even put out a guidelines as to like their safety standards about Sora the day before they
00:45:19
announced that they were killing it, which is very funny. And now that $1 billion deal is not happening. So, uh,
00:45:26
OpenAI can't find money. And now they really can't find money. I guess a
00:45:30
billion dollar is like pocket change for them. >> I mean, I guess how much money were they
00:45:33
burning in the process of >> billions? Yeah, probably more than that. Um, and also one thing you should know
00:45:38
is that pretty much every Open AI deal is not real money. It's like the idea of
00:45:43
money. Nothing ever really happens. Everyone's like, Nvidia is like, we're
00:45:46
investing 1 trillion in open AI. And they're like, what does that mean? And then they just sort of do jazz hands and
00:45:52
walk away. >> You could have been out, bro. >> You know, none of the these circular
00:45:56
deals have are inflating the stock market and that's why you're seeing a
00:45:58
lot of red. >> A lot of them are like promises to invest over time or something.
00:46:02
>> That's what the Disney one was. It was $1 billion investments over a period of
00:46:06
time and it didn't even start. >> Yeah. No money had changed hands. >> No money had changed hands. Huge win.
00:46:12
So, it's not happening. Yeah. >> Um, >> David, I'm going to give you $1 billion
00:46:16
over the next three years. >> I hope my stock goes up. Psych. >> Uh yeah. So the another funny thing
00:46:24
about this is that Meta had purched um a guy to lead the super intelligence lab and the first product that they
00:46:31
launched was an AI slop generator video generator that was supposed to compete with Sora. It was um it was horrible and
00:46:38
I think they shut it down too >> hopefully. But this is good for everybody. Like we don't need more AI
00:46:44
slop. If you're ever on Twitter, there's a lot of fruits cheating on each other
00:46:48
on there. I don't know if you've seen this. >> Fruits? >> Yeah, fruits.
00:46:52
>> What? >> Yeah, there's some weird stuff. >> Wait, you guys haven't seen this?
00:46:56
>> I'm jealous that you guys not >> I see mostly cuz you can do like the
00:46:59
remixes with YouTube videos. >> Every once in a while, I'll go to one of
00:47:03
our old videos to reference something and I'll just be like blah blah blah remix with this video and it's a short
00:47:08
of like a pregnant cat. >> Yeah, that's Yeah, they're always pregnant. There's always like a pregnant
00:47:12
cat and a dad cat and they're like having a baby and it has like your voice over the background.
00:47:17
>> Well, the background music is always meow meow meow meow meow. >> It's really bad. It's like
00:47:25
>> I think it redefineses >> hallucination are you having? >> It redefineses the the word slop. Like
00:47:30
really it does. >> It's also this stuff makes a ton of misinformation out there for sure.
00:47:35
>> Not just straight slop literal harmful videos. >> Yeah. So, I'm glad it's gone.
00:47:41
>> I'm glad I missed that. >> Dance on the grave. Um, speaking of
00:47:44
Instagram meta doing slop things, do you want to break this down? >> Yeah, I'll try and break this down
00:47:50
really quick. Um, IGDMs are no longer going to be end to end encrypted by May 8th. This is kind of a uh I mean I think
00:47:57
everyone knows what end to end encryption is. You and your the recipient are the only ones who are able
00:48:02
to see the message due to a code uh >> encryption. >> Encryption. Yeah. Yeah, it has to public
00:48:10
and private keys. >> Um, so like this feels like a really big deal headline wise. Uh,
00:48:16
>> but like there's a couple weird things about this that make me confused. So I'm
00:48:20
going to read out a couple of the reasons why I think or they've said they're ending this encryption and
00:48:25
everyone can be the judge on why they think they really are ending it. Um, so >> they've been the way they announced this
00:48:31
first of all meta is not like a full post. They updated a 2022 news post about encryption to say that encryption
00:48:39
is ending on May 8th. Um, so like two months away. >> Um, and a couple reasons. One, a meta
00:48:46
spokesperson said that which I didn't know about. The encryption is optin on
00:48:50
Instagram, which I never knew about. I'm sure most people don't know about. And
00:48:55
they said very, very few people on Instagram use encryption anyway in the end because it's optin. Exactly. poor uh
00:49:04
communication. >> Not even just communication, just poor design. I mean, >> Metap doesn't want it to be encrypted
00:49:10
because they want all of that. So, like >> Well, yeah, >> there's a lot of drama going on right
00:49:14
now with like the EU and the UK. Yeah. Okay. >> So, like the next point is uh FBI,
00:49:21
Interpol, UK safety organizations are all urging Meta to break encryption because of child safety. because of how
00:49:29
much meta in general and Instagram specifically is essentially harming children in so many different ways. One
00:49:36
of them being through DMs and with encryption, if the correct people have the encryption on, it makes it really
00:49:41
harder to find chat logs or stuff like that. So, they've they're urging Meta to
00:49:45
end encryption. Another thing is Meta is just not getting rid of encryption WhatsApp. They're telling people to just
00:49:51
move to WhatsApp if you want encryption. >> Just use WhatsApp, bro. >> Just they literally pulled the just use
00:49:57
WhatsApp. I hate this. >> Um, and then the last reason, which I think most of us can agree on is
00:50:03
>> Meta's favorite, >> but maybe the one they don't want to admit,
00:50:07
>> is yes, >> without encrypted DMs, they have the ability to use those DMs to target with
00:50:13
advertisements and train data, train AI data on your messages. Um, which >> the the reason this is all kind of weird
00:50:21
is it seems like most people aren't using it, so they're probably doing all
00:50:24
of this anyways. But like the actual end to this is probably just saving them money because they don't have to run
00:50:28
compute to >> saving them face with like all the all the public stuff with the
00:50:33
>> It's really nice that they're having other people like government agencies
00:50:36
tell them to remove it so they can just be like, "Well, that's the reason we're
00:50:40
removing it. Thanks for the training data. Thanks for the advertising." Yeah.
00:50:44
>> Uh, >> yeah, that's kind of I'll let everybody be the judge of what how they want to
00:50:49
see the story with encryption, but I think the thing to know here is if you really care about privacy encryption,
00:50:54
don't touch a Meta product. >> Yeah, that's like the easiest thing
00:50:58
here. >> The number one advertising company in the world. Yeah, I think Meta realizes
00:51:02
that like a lot of the DMs on Instagram, they mostly care about you sharing reels
00:51:07
and sharing posts and pushing you to other parts of Instagram to spend more time on and get gather more data to
00:51:13
spend more money. So, they don't really care about this. WhatsApp is still encrypted if you want to use that, but I
00:51:17
personally would just stay away from meta products if I really cared about my privacy.
00:51:21
>> Yeah. I mean, speaking of which, they just announced yesterday as well that
00:51:24
they're going to integrate um sort of like buy now buttons into reals. Tik Tok
00:51:30
shop has this >> where you can be watching a reel or something and then it will show a little
00:51:35
like you can buy this now and it out links to a store. >> Uh Instagram's going to add that. So,
00:51:40
>> I think YouTube Shorts has this already probably the like little product
00:51:43
shelves, >> dude. On Amazon, what is it? Prime TV. Prime. What do they call it? Prime
00:51:49
Video. Yeah. you'll be watching like you'll be watching like Fallout or something, right? And then it cuts to an
00:51:55
ad and in the ad there will be a purchase on Amazon button that you can just do straight. It's like holy moly,
00:52:03
we are Cuz I Yeah, I only wanted to watch Fallout and I haven't used Amazon Prime TV in like a really long time and
00:52:10
I was like, "Wow, we're in the we're in the dystopia where you can literally the
00:52:13
product is in your face and there's just a one-click buy now and ship to me immediately button." Mhm.
00:52:17
>> I mean, with >> it is so crazy >> the like UI on all these short form
00:52:20
contents. How far are we away from it just feeling like the old annotation like scamming where just there's like 20
00:52:26
different boxes up on your screen cuz we have all these different sets of guidelines for different short form
00:52:31
because depending on where you put >> text or something in a video, it's going
00:52:34
to get covered by a username, an icon, the description, and like now we're adding shops and stuff. This is already
00:52:40
a really small form factor of what we're watching. There's not a lot of real
00:52:43
estate there. So adding all of that on is >> Yeah, it's crazy. We're just not even
00:52:47
going to watch videos anymore. >> It's okay. They're pushing you to use
00:52:49
Instagram on the iPad because all they want you to do on that is watch reals anyway and then you won't miss click
00:52:55
because it's a bigger screen. >> Wow. >> True. >> Got him.
00:52:57
>> Big brain. >> Got him. Um, kind of related, the US government has officially banned
00:53:04
consumer routers made outside of the United States, which by the way, >> pretty much all of them.
00:53:09
>> Yeah, essentially all the only one I can really think of that's not is Starlink
00:53:13
because that's made in Texas. >> Is that a router? Yes, I guess. >> But like it's not what you would think
00:53:19
of in the general sense of like a router when you already have an ISP and you're
00:53:23
using it as a router in your house. >> Um, so like similar to banning drones
00:53:27
made in foreign countries, the FCC is adding consumer grade routers made outside of the US to a covered list. And
00:53:33
if you're not sure what that is, the covered list is a list that the FCC and
00:53:36
Homeland Security Bureau use to add devices that quote pose an unacceptable risk to the national security of the
00:53:42
United States or the security and safety of US persons. Um, like you just mentioned, we're all pretty familiar
00:53:49
with where technology is manufactured. It's not in the US and like >> it's not here.
00:53:55
>> Seriously, it's got to be 90 plus% of routers, dude. I mean, are made outside
00:53:59
of the US. >> I'm just looking up all I'm going one by one to look through all the router
00:54:02
companies that >> they're all like Taiwanese. Yeah, they're all not made here.
00:54:06
>> But even some of them might be stationed or like headquartered in the US. They're
00:54:10
still not manufactured in the US. Um, so like first of all, if you already own a
00:54:15
router that's doesn't meet this criteria, it's going to work fine. Um,
00:54:19
but the new ones then coming into the company into the United States will be put on a list where the radios won't be
00:54:24
authorized. >> Uh, >> it's just insane. Like it's so isolationist to say anyone not made in
00:54:31
the United States. >> I think that's wild. like it is it would be more understandable if it was like
00:54:35
from specific countries that the government deems to be adversaries or whatever but the fact that it is not in
00:54:41
the United it's like I cannot name a single router company that is based in the United States they probably exist
00:54:48
but they are not mass market >> I think TPLink is now headquartered in California
00:54:54
>> they're probably made in Taiwan yeah >> yeah or Vietnam >> I forget exactly where a lot of ones I
00:54:58
was finding were made in Vietnam but still that is just straight up foreign country that is not the US.
00:55:03
>> What does this do for like IP or um >> ISPs? That's exactly what I was
00:55:07
thinking. Like what Xfinity My guess right now is Xfinity uh Verizon probably have just a boatload of routers in a
00:55:15
warehouse somewhere that they are the ones sending to you, but like that needs to update. Well, I also know that
00:55:19
there's sort of a workar around you can do where like all of the parts are basically made outside of the US and
00:55:24
then like there was a thing that some Yeah, there's some the thing that some
00:55:28
companies were doing for a while where it was like all the parts but one were already assembled and then they would
00:55:33
ship all the parts and that one part to United States and they would put it in the thing and they'd be like made in the
00:55:38
United States. >> Well, there's like guidelines for made in the USA or assembled in the USA. Like
00:55:43
there's things that they need to like more than 60% or >> Oh, yeah. Like the Trump phone, right?
00:55:47
like the Trump. No, not even on. >> Also, with the Ver not Verizon, Xfinity
00:55:53
routers and stuff, does that count? Because this says consumer. >> Yeah. How much consumer? So, consumer
00:55:59
they define as uh for residential use and installed by the customer. >> Installed by the C. Okay.
00:56:04
>> Any router you can have just shipped to you and I was going to ask. >> I mean, maybe that's it's it's a weird
00:56:09
thing where the way they're uh >> the company's the one buying them in
00:56:12
bulk. So, I don't know if this will like apply to them, you know? Uh, the fact
00:56:15
that they say consumer grade, I think it's less of consumer bought and consumer grade. Again, it's like it's
00:56:20
kind of weird. What they're doing is either companies can apply for like an extension to be allowed into the United
00:56:27
States if they're proving that they're working on creating a manufacturing
00:56:32
aspect in the United States to pass that. >> Stupid. We've tried this so many times.
00:56:37
Doesn't work. or like similar to what DJI does, the company's just not going
00:56:42
to release it in the US for x amount of time until this either stops or just not
00:56:47
care. >> Have we seen companies like or like buy a building like an old manufacturing
00:56:51
plant in the US and then just slap a label on we're going to for sure make stuff here. Okay, you're good.
00:56:57
>> They do a big groundbreaking thing in Arizona and they're like look at all
00:57:00
these jobs and then just leave them empty. The United States is claiming the routers were directly implicated in the
00:57:05
Volt Flax and Salt Typhoon cyber attacks which were a set of cyber attacks a while ago.
00:57:10
>> Yeah, but I'm confused cuz the Salt Typhoon ones was about Cisco routers.
00:57:15
>> Okay, so this is the funny thing United States. >> Well, just like what like
00:57:19
>> they were Cisco and Nekar routers that were designed by US companies, but the
00:57:22
reason they were vulnerable is because the companies stopped providing updates for them. So they were unupdated
00:57:28
security risk routers which has nothing to do with who made them. It has to do with who's continuing the software upd.
00:57:34
So this is like saying >> who's doing the >> hey hackers targeted vulnerable things
00:57:38
because they're vulnerable and probably shouldn't be used or should have been
00:57:41
updated anymore. It has nothing to do with the fact I I get that there is like >> foreign countries that maybe were
00:57:47
worried about and stuff like this, but this feels like a blanket ban that is not actually helping anything. Uh
00:57:53
>> heavy-handed government intervention in tech. No. No, >> it's Yeah. So, the residential thing I'm
00:58:00
really confused about because I'm also confused there is if the main thing we're trying to protect is like
00:58:04
government agencies and government information stuff like me maybe government shouldn't be using
00:58:10
residential. That's what the ban should be. Government should stop using residential grade routers
00:58:17
and like buildings or the ones made in these certain companies. But like why do I need
00:58:22
>> Yeah. or >> why does that make a difference if I'm using >> or have one US company like make a
00:58:27
government grade one or like ad like change one of the routers to be government grade ad features.
00:58:33
>> I think in theory the reason it matters if you have one Andrew is that you are
00:58:37
sort of inherently plugged into your telecom company's network and like that
00:58:41
is who all of these attacks were against were like we're getting into telecom
00:58:45
companies networks. I I don't know quite enough about this whole thing. There's
00:58:49
there's obviously so much more going on than what we're saying here, but it
00:58:52
still feels like this wild blanket band that doesn't really >> No, I agree. And also, watch
00:58:58
>> this is, you know, me predicting the future, but watch Oracle launch a new
00:59:02
line of US-based routers. >> Wait. Oh my god, I didn't even think about that.
00:59:07
>> Yeah. No, no, no. I haven't, this is not a thing that's happened. I'm just
00:59:09
>> I know, but it will. You know it will. And they will be called Freedom Router.
00:59:14
>> Yeah. So the the cyber attacks were also on like energy transportation and water
00:59:20
infrastructure stuff as well. So it's not just straight up communicate or just
00:59:23
communications although those were in there. I also I guess saying the router was directly implicated. I was like well
00:59:29
yeah it was online it has to go through a router but it's because those routers
00:59:33
were missing their security updates and had vulnerabilities which is like >> yes if things on the internet have
00:59:39
vulnerabilities people are going to attack them. They shouldn't, but >> I really don't know enough about this,
00:59:44
but it's always been my understanding that like, you know, a a big part of what routers are doing are like
00:59:48
assembling these packets that are going out over, you know, and so if they're
00:59:51
putting like a router with malware on it can put >> stuff in a packet that can make it
00:59:56
pretty deep inside >> uh a network. >> Yeah. >> That is like the most like middle
01:00:01
schooler friendly way I can describe network communication. >> That's why Cisco was supposed to prevent
01:00:06
this. That's their whole thing. Yeah. >> They do B2B. It wasn't him.
01:00:12
>> Is that Is that Cisco? >> No. >> What is that? A rapper, too?
01:00:15
>> Damn it. >> Shaggy. >> Shaggy. Yeah. >> That's not the first time you've made
01:00:19
that mistake. >> Wait, this confuses me because I feel like if >> if a company in the US made routers and
01:00:28
those routers were not updated and weren't patched over time, they would also be susceptible to these attacks.
01:00:34
Yes. >> Correct. So, what does this do? >> I don't know. It's just they're going
01:00:38
after the wrong pro. I don't know. I I imagine >> that is a very popular attack by
01:00:41
>> I imagine it is it is all a bunch of like to just try to they're so
01:00:46
obsessed with stimulating American manufacturing, but they don't understand like the amount of work that it requires
01:00:51
to actually build a entire business in the US making various things like routers. Like I how often do people buy
01:01:00
routers? You know, >> once every 5 to 10 years. >> Most people never buy a router.
01:01:05
>> Yeah. They rent it from their telecom. >> Mhm. I just I don't know, man.
01:01:08
>> Counter point, David. If you had 1 million Optimus robots, you could make
01:01:11
them for free whenever you wanted. >> Think about that. >> Think about that. How much would an
01:01:16
Optimus robot cost me? >> It costs Well, $0 Optimus robots. >> How much would it cost me though?
01:01:22
>> I don't think you're allowed to have one. >> Then how am I going to get my router?
01:01:27
>> Send the robo taxi for it. >> I'll just use Starlink. >> Yeah.
01:01:30
>> So, um, we want to talk about this because it was kind of hot news in the
01:01:34
journalism world this week. Effectively you guys probably know Grammarly and there was also an app called Superhum
01:01:40
and then Grammarly bought Superhum and now Grammarly is superhuman and Grammarly is a product of Superhum.
01:01:47
That's your that's your breakdown. >> Not confusing at all. >> Not confusing at all. Multiple months
01:01:51
ago, but only discovered fairly recently. uh people discovered this feature within Grammarly that
01:01:56
effectively gives you advice based on various different writers that are well known in
01:02:03
the writing world or like the tech writing world or things like that. So if you were writing an article or you were
01:02:08
writing I don't know anything you're writing you could say like hey what
01:02:12
would Nei Patel think about this writing that I'm doing? >> So funny. >> Yes.
01:02:18
>> Are you serious? >> I'm serious. I don't know if it was necessarily you asked Nei Patel, but it
01:02:22
was like if >> you asked a question about writing an article and it would say like, oh, it
01:02:27
was called expert review and something would come up as an expert is here to give you an example and that example
01:02:31
would pop up as like >> I can't believe I'm saying this out loud but it said Nei Patel and with a
01:02:37
verified check mark like Twitter which is sitting there for no reason and then it would say like
01:02:42
>> not verified. They would give some piece of advice and then to their credit it
01:02:46
would say like this is inspired by Vergecast hosts and Verge editor-inchief Nei Patel because of blah blah blah have
01:02:54
a source button and then >> first of all no one's going to click that source button
01:02:59
>> that doesn't count. Uh, so yeah, that's what a a verified check mark Nei Patel
01:03:04
would pop up and say, "Yeah, >> hey, not just him, a bunch of other jokes."
01:03:08
>> And it would also do line edits, too. Like if you had it would like make
01:03:11
suggestions based on your writing. And um they they were like, "Oh yeah, we
01:03:16
pulled specific like pieces of work from various different journalists and then we put it in this AI model and now it
01:03:22
can make suggestions." And it's like that's just not how this works at all.
01:03:25
Like it's insane. And uh this feature has been deployed for multiple months,
01:03:29
but people only found it recently. So, >> well, no, no, it was deployed. It took a
01:03:33
while for people to gone. It's gone now. They took it away a lot. >> Yeah, it was found recently by like the
01:03:38
it blew up >> I think a few month I think last year >> Grammarly had added this feature late
01:03:43
last year. Um, not a lot of people were using it. No one really noticed it. And then recently it kind of popped up in
01:03:48
the media because people started noticing it and all these people started writing about it because the people that
01:03:53
were writing about it were the people it was impersonating effectively. Every article was like this is impersonating
01:03:59
authors including me. It was kind of crazy. Um so funny enough has this podcast called Decoder. He had already
01:04:07
scheduled to have the superhuman/grarly CEO on like the following week. Um, and to that guy's credit, he actually did go
01:04:16
on Decoder to talk to Nei about it, and the interview was very tense >> from the get- go.
01:04:21
>> From the get-go. >> From the start. Yeah. >> Um, and so it became this whole kind of
01:04:26
argument about what is attribution versus what is just stealing and using someone's likeness. Uh, and the CEO
01:04:34
really just defends the idea that it's attribution. He talks about, oh, there's
01:04:37
a link that you can go to and it clearly says that, oh, this is inspired by this
01:04:42
person, but like it had the check mark. >> The check mark is >> the check mark. The check mark is
01:04:47
>> you can't defend it when you do because the check everyone knows what the check
01:04:50
mark means in every other context. It means this is verified from this person, right?
01:04:54
>> If it's on social media, the check mark means this is definitely the person you
01:04:57
think it is. >> Theoretically, why do they put a check mark here? They put a check mark here to
01:05:02
convince you that this is legit and this is definitely like they're not trying to
01:05:06
necessarily convince you that this is actually the human editing your work, >> but they get about as close to that as
01:05:13
possible and it's definitely impersonation. >> You can't convince me otherwise that
01:05:17
it's not attempting to trick a person into thinking this for real. I don't
01:05:21
care what he said in that interview. I know it says at the like under that inspired by, but to put the check mark
01:05:27
in is just straight up lying. >> Yeah. Yeah. There was a class there is a class action action lawsuit going on
01:05:34
which is I think why the CEO couldn't really say a lot because then it could
01:05:38
be used against him in court and it's insane to me that he would even do the
01:05:42
interview when he knows Neili is very combative about these kind of things. >> Yeah.
01:05:46
>> Well then if he doesn't go on the interview then the article is about how
01:05:48
he pulled out of the interview. >> Yeah. It looks even worse. >> So it's either do you get that or I
01:05:52
don't think that looks worse. >> He made himself look worse in that interview for sure.
01:05:56
>> Yeah. He made himself look better. We definitely recommend that you go listen
01:05:59
to this or watch it. Um, it's both on their podcast feed. >> Watch it.
01:06:03
>> Watch it. Yeah. >> Seeing facial expressions and it is well worth it. Also, the CEO's whatever
01:06:08
laptop he's using should be blown up because the wobble of the screen as he's
01:06:14
talking, you're just watching him the whole time. Andrew, >> if you watch
01:06:19
screen, it looks like he's in the middle of an earthquake. It's It's wild.
01:06:23
>> Yeah. This though, this really reminds me of when we had these conversations
01:06:27
about these AI image generators and video generators where if you would just put in like tech reviewer like Marquez
01:06:32
would just show up, you know, it reminds me of the whole like who's in this training data? How are they stealing it?
01:06:38
>> Didn't they do that recently? >> It was a long time ago. Sora
01:06:42
>> Well, there was Sora, but there was also like Gemini. There was uh Yeah.
01:06:46
>> Yeah. There was early ChatGBT stuff. >> There was something a few weeks ago
01:06:49
where I literally put in like a tech reviewer and it just popped out. Marquez. Yeah, when we were out South by
01:06:54
Southwest, I said I said add a tech reviewer to this photo and it just added Marquez and it said but it did say I've
01:07:00
added MKBHD. >> Oh my god. >> Which that's a whole that's the same
01:07:05
thing. It's like likeness versus >> the weird thing about this is Nei was
01:07:10
looking at so the reason that the interview is so good is because like there's personal stakes here. Like it's
01:07:15
literally >> impersonating Nei. So he's the one interviewing which makes it much more
01:07:19
intense. But like >> what the suggestion it wrote says it's from like using his body of work at the
01:07:25
Verge and Verge cast. He's like I would never say anything like this. I've never
01:07:29
said anything ever like this. So it just feels like straight up lying. >> To the credit of the CEO, he said like
01:07:36
this didn't work out really well. How are we supposed to get into the mind of
01:07:40
an editor by only using their the final published works? >> Great question. I know. Exactly. You
01:07:47
cannot. And that's what they killed it, which I'm glad they got rid of it. But
01:07:50
just that's just impersonation and lying at that point. Who's to say that
01:07:56
couldn't have just been like an AI software where Marquez Marquez Brownley pops up verified check mark and says a
01:08:03
piece of advice that Marquez doesn't believe in at all. Windows is the best the best editing for 8K videos. Like I
01:08:10
love my Windows laptop. And then all it has to say is inspired by Marquez Brownley's body of work for he's an
01:08:16
eight 20 million tech reviewer blah blah blah source. >> It's all it's
01:08:23
trust me bro. >> It's very trust me bro. and also using the likeness of someone else to prove
01:08:28
credibility. And yeah, >> I don't see how Yeah, I don't see how you ship this feature and not think it's
01:08:32
going to blow up in your face because in the best case version of this feature, it's like, wow, we're going to have
01:08:36
testimonials of people going like, I love this product because it lets me get my work checked by these professionals.
01:08:44
And the professionals going, >> no, >> obviously I would not. That's like not
01:08:48
what I would have done. He said the reason this the small team he kept saying small team because he kept saying
01:08:53
he wants not throw that many people under the bus which he should be under the bus because he ultimately approves
01:08:58
it as CEO. But like if you are he keeps saying you as the person like you might want like Grammarly is supposed to be
01:09:07
your uh your language arts teacher sitting right there and helping you make decisions. So he's like this is a
01:09:12
version where some experts you really respect might be right there helping you make corrections into something.
01:09:17
>> I was like but I wouldn't make those. I wouldn't make those and I'm not there.
01:09:19
It's like, yeah, the reason we like all these people is the like personal connection we have to them personally. I
01:09:24
don't want an >> AI just pretending they're them. It's this is bas you're getting catfish.
01:09:30
>> Yeah, for sure. Yeah. >> I mean, Neil even said his line edits are usually just like feels messy and
01:09:35
that's the whole thing. You know, >> anyone who's ever had an editor knows
01:09:38
that it's not very coherent thought. >> No, back. It's just a lot of back and
01:09:42
forth. I can't wait until Final Cut adds a Marquez editor and then like I make a
01:09:47
J cut and it's like great job Marquez would have done this too. >> Yeah, just that that feels bad.
01:09:52
>> It could happen. >> I think Grammarly took the wrong route with this product. I think instead of
01:09:56
like people like obviously Nei great writer, people love his writing, but I think they should have gone with people
01:10:02
who are known for being unbelievably opinionated writers and just force like I want to be writing an email to like
01:10:09
Marquez about our health insurance plan or something like that. And then Grammarly's like and then a little AI
01:10:15
Slavage Ziz, the Slovenian philosopher pops up and is like, "But what does this
01:10:18
email have to do with the struggle of the self?" >> And I'm like,
01:10:22
>> I'd like that. >> Yes, distract me. Susan Santag comes up and he's like, "Where are the mentions
01:10:25
of gender?" You know, he Hector Beerios pops up and is like, "Ellis, you
01:10:29
mentioned nothing about Beethoven's terrible use of the French horn." >> Yeah, that's that's fair. I think Clippy
01:10:35
could have done any of that. Clippy could have done that. >> Clippy could have done all of that.
01:10:39
>> That's what you stop Yeah. Stop replicating actual people and giving
01:10:43
them that attribution is such a bull argument. >> Yeah. Free advice to any CEO. If you run
01:10:48
a company that does any sort of AI product and your goal is to have it replace people in any way,
01:10:54
>> think a little harder about how you think that's going to go. >> Yeah.
01:10:58
>> Just a little harder. Just hire funny guys. >> Take some accountability. All of them
01:11:03
just seem to be like, "Oh, well, if the models were using like pull up the work
01:11:08
of blah blah blah and they're going to use that, then that's what the models
01:11:11
are going to do." Shut the up, dude. Are you serious? >> Yeah. I mean, every pretty much every AI
01:11:17
CEO makes the argument that this is not this is just an average of like a bunch of stuff. So, it's not copying
01:11:24
everything. It's just making new content based on like a every every AI CEO is
01:11:28
like, well, you could have read all of Neili's writing and then edited like him. And it's like, no, you can't.
01:11:34
That's not how this works. That's not how any of >> learning. And also like it sounds like
01:11:38
it's so funny that the one art example they're arguing over the whole time is a
01:11:42
bad like just straight up didn't work in the voice at all >> which makes it look even worse.
01:11:46
>> I think the flaw with that logic would be thinking that all of Nei's thoughts
01:11:50
and and experience that he's ever had exists in a training data set. >> Yeah.
01:11:54
>> Which as a human with their own thoughts and experiences that they have not
01:11:59
submitted to a training data set. No. I mean ultimately that's what people in
01:12:04
Silicon Valley generally think like they think that you can model everything. They think that with enough information,
01:12:10
with enough data, with enough training, you can simulate everything, you know, and so they're like maybe you can, but
01:12:17
we're not even close to that yet. >> Yeah. That's that's probably why this
01:12:20
interview is so good because it's one of the people who you think you're you have
01:12:23
enough data from, and it's like, no, you just don't have enough data, and
01:12:27
frankly, I don't want you to have enough data to simulate who I am, >> right? Yeah, cuz you're not paying
01:12:31
>> because the data that Nei's brain was trained on are things like his
01:12:35
childhood. Like things that you can't like >> you can't do that, bro. It doesn't work.
01:12:41
>> Yeah, exactly. So, until you put it in a vat. >> No, >> go listen to the interview. It's
01:12:47
fantastic. >> Watch the interview. >> Watch sickness. Yeah. >> Part of the Vox Media podcast network.
01:12:53
>> VMP, maybe. Okay. Well, I think we're take it to one more ad break. Um, but
01:12:59
>> and then I'm going to yap about a mouse again afterwards. >> That's right. We love mice.
01:13:03
>> Yes, >> we love mice. We love Ellis yapping about speakers. >> To the one person that has read Hector
01:13:10
Barios's treatise on orchestration other than me. >> I hope you enjoyed my little reference.
01:13:16
>> He's famous. I'm sure a lot of people did. >> I don't know who that is.
01:13:18
>> Alice, I agree with everything you say and love everything you say about audio
01:13:21
and I've never interrupted you once about It's this part of it's it's this
01:13:26
composer who wrote a book about how to write for all the instruments a long time ago and he was really angry and
01:13:31
there's this whole passage in the French horn section where instead of talking
01:13:34
about how to write for French horn he just goes into this giant beef with Beethoven and he's like that guy
01:13:39
Beethoven sucked at French horn. He was a coward on the French horn. It's very
01:13:43
fun to read. >> Oh wait. >> Oh sorry I did not. That was a soundboard. That was not me.
01:13:48
>> Sorry Ellis. I forgot you were talking. What? What were we talking? >> No, that's interesting.
01:13:54
>> I did that to Andrew in the in the weekly meeting yesterday where he said
01:13:58
something and then immediately I was like, "But what about this thing that Andrew just said?" And then I had to DM
01:14:02
him and say, "I'm sorry. Did you say something?" >> Karma. That was karma. That's karma.
01:14:10
>> Karmic retribution. Okay, next question. Well, next question. Question number
01:14:13
two. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> What year? >> And we're doing this without going over.
01:14:18
>> Oh, >> yeah. What year did Apple release Apple Maps? >> Oh.
01:14:24
>> Oh. >> Oh. >> Have access to the dock. >> Wait, don't look. Don't look. I want you
01:14:29
to guess, too. >> Was that that was the year that people were driving into the the lakes, right?
01:14:34
>> I know the >> I remember how poorly the launch went. >> I got to remember the year. Okay.
01:14:40
>> There's a joke in a WWDC announcement. >> Yeah, >> it was a dubdub announcement.
01:14:44
>> I'm pretty sure >> in Silicon Valley the show, they're doing like a control group and they're
01:14:47
like, "Oh, this is bad." bad and he goes, "How bad?" Apple Maps bad.
01:14:53
>> Sick. That is the bar. >> One more mouse thing to talk about. >> I'll make it quick.
01:14:58
>> I won't. >> We'll be right back. >> Support for the show comes from Zapier.
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01:16:10
Mouse Corner again. I kind of wanted both of these the same week, but then I kind of thought this one was never
01:16:16
coming in and then it came in after we did the Pwnage Sim 3 last week. >> You got to order one for next week now
01:16:21
so you keep it going. >> That will never happen. Um, this >> you just order a Cyborg Rat 7.
01:16:25
>> There's If you order the Cyborg Rat 7, I'll do a review on the podcast next
01:16:29
week. >> Okay, >> I will smash that thing by the end. Um, this is the Logitech Pro X2 Super
01:16:36
Strike. Not a great name, but >> words. >> The uh this is kind of like the most
01:16:41
hype mouse in the the scene right now for a couple of reasons. One, Logitech G Pro has been kind of like the de facto
01:16:49
tried and trueue gaming mouse for years at this point. I think there you could look at like Valerant or Counterstrike
01:16:56
stats of how many people use a specific mouse and I think the Gro is top of the list every single time. Um, but so this
01:17:03
is the exact same form factor, but Logitech finally decided to do something kind of cool because they've been kind
01:17:08
of boring for a while. Um, this mouse >> on its uh the exterior is just everything you'd kind of expect expect.
01:17:16
It's not too uh flashy. It's it's nothing like really bad. It's nothing
01:17:20
really good. It's just a good form factor, two buttons, symmetrical. It's
01:17:24
it's everything you would want. Um, but this one is doing something a little
01:17:28
different. This actually has no switches. Not mechanical or options. There are no switches. This is
01:17:35
>> fully haptic. >> What? >> Similar to like >> Hall effect.
01:17:38
>> No, it's not Hall effect. It's haptic. Those are optical switches.
01:17:42
>> Um, >> it's like your MacBook trackpad how it is essentially a fake click.
01:17:47
>> Um, and the reason I want to bring it on to this is because I can get reactions
01:17:50
from all of you because the easiest way to test what this feels like is I will hand this to you.
01:17:55
>> Okay. Uh, >> and I want you to click the buttons. You can even do them in the microphone.
01:18:00
Click the buttons right now. What do they feel like? >> Mush. >> Like broken, right?
01:18:04
>> They do move. >> They do move, >> but uh it feels like I'm not actuating.
01:18:09
>> Sure. Now the switch on the bottom. Flip that on. And now start clicking.
01:18:17
>> The sound is not fantastic, but >> the sound's not great, but there is a
01:18:22
>> Yeah, >> there's a pretty convincing Yeah. Click. >> I'll let David try this. Now, this is
01:18:26
off. Would you say that you just want to click? You just You just want to click.
01:18:30
>> Subscribe. >> Subscribe. Yeah, that feels mushy. >> It feels broken, right?
01:18:34
>> Yeah, it feels broken. Does the honor >> now? Flip it on. Yeah. >> Yeah.
01:18:40
>> This is amazing audio. >> It's great for audio listeners. I mean,
01:18:44
we're getting >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, it goes from feeling like broken to like there's something
01:18:48
there. There's still a lot of actuation. >> I agree with you. I'm not like full
01:18:52
Well, so that's one thing >> that's higher than I would like. That's
01:18:54
something that now we can do with this mouse is we can change a couple different things. We can change
01:18:59
actuation force. We can change uh essentially like the clickiness of it. And you can change what it's calling
01:19:07
rapid trigger, which is essentially was really popular on keyboards a couple years ago. Stuff like snap tap where not
01:19:13
only uh >> it got worked in in certain things like it it could do things that programs
01:19:20
would make it think was possibly cheating because essentially what it's doing is if you have an actuation
01:19:25
uh length going down until the buttons actuated. Essentially what you could do is the lift off to reset that could be
01:19:33
very very small. >> You can you can make it really small. So a way this can be really beneficial is
01:19:38
if you're in a game where let's say you have a gun that's semi-automatic.
01:19:43
>> So each click is one shot. If you can if that gun is really strong but the the
01:19:48
like weakness of it is a semi-automatic but now you can make your actuation really small and your reset activation
01:19:54
really short as well. You can just and it feels like an automatic gun. That would hurt my finger.
01:19:58
>> That's pretty sick that you can get that. >> And so right now I have the right the
01:20:03
left click as a five in your haptics >> out of five. >> Five out of five. And the right is on
01:20:10
one. So if you click these now, >> it's not a big difference, but you there
01:20:15
are five levels of activation in per button. Buttons can be different as well. >> Um
01:20:21
>> it's just this is kind of a cool thing in the mouse world. I guess this is
01:20:26
brand new. This is within a month. >> Okay. >> Um I don't know if you want to try left
01:20:30
versus right. Like I said, this isn't like the craziest thing, but like >> the ability to have this in a mouse is
01:20:38
such a smaller version of where you can put this in versus a keyboard where you have full PCBs and individual switches
01:20:44
and everything. >> Um so I thought this was kind of cool. I don't have much to say about it. Uh
01:20:50
>> how much is it? >> Uh $180. There is one other cool thing which is super niche which is a lot of
01:20:57
people when they're doing something called bunny hopping in in first-person shooters is they actually change their
01:21:01
jump button from the space bar to the wheel so that you can just bunny hopping is when you jump and you hit the jump
01:21:07
like the second you hit the ground which carries momentum in a lot of games which
01:21:11
lets you move faster. So when people do it on the wheel, it makes it so you're
01:21:15
always hitting the jump as you land because you're not just pressing space one time. You're scrolling through it,
01:21:20
which is like 10 jumps at a time, right? >> You can just scroll. >> You can just scroll to be your jump. So
01:21:24
that's how people will make sure that their jump is always landing at the perfect point. This has a bunny hop
01:21:29
mode. So like it makes it really bad sensitive. >> What? >> I know I wasn't bad at FPS. I just don't
01:21:35
have >> Yeah, you just weren't bunny hopping correctly. equipment. Uh, it has a thing
01:21:39
so you can't accidentally scroll the scroll wheel when you're clicking buttons, which can happen sometimes
01:21:43
because if you jump when you're trying to fire, you completely screw up recoil
01:21:46
and everything. Um, but yeah, there's not much to this. I will say since this
01:21:51
is a totally new technology in a thing that you press thousands of times in a life cycle very quickly. I would
01:21:58
probably wait till like >> is it that people are using this for a while? >> We have haptic touch like trackpads like
01:22:03
you mentioned. So, there's a motor in there and then there's the sort of
01:22:06
attachment to the moving piece. Theoretically, that's similar tech to the trackpad. Like, that should last a
01:22:13
long time. >> Think about how often you click on your trackpad versus how often you might
01:22:17
click in like one game of Counter. >> Dude, that's fair. Yeah. The >> amount of Dota. Dota is literally all
01:22:23
movement is based on clicking. It's probably >> You're right. >> 500 to a,000 clicks like a game.
01:22:29
>> Probably more. It might be more where like you do that on this trackpad like
01:22:33
>> Dota is like an hour long an hour long game and to move you have to be like
01:22:39
>> interesting. >> My computer is going crazy with this right now. But uh yeah,
01:22:43
>> I want to do a land actually play Dota and Valerant and all that stuff. Such
01:22:49
dog at Valerant now. But >> I don't know how anyone gets into Dota. It's like the most complicated.
01:22:54
>> I don't know. I say these games I know nothing about them. I'll play with you
01:22:58
one day. We'll play. Let's play. >> Let's play Valerant. Let's play a Let's
01:23:02
Play. Let's play. Let's play studio stream. >> Um, yeah. I'm Guardian 5, which is the
01:23:08
second lowest tier, >> and I have 4,800 hours in it. >> Well, Marquez just bought his rat mouse,
01:23:15
so >> you bought the mouse? >> No, I should. I really want to, though.
01:23:19
>> If I had the RA, I'd be better at Dota, though. >> I bet you that mouse How much does that
01:23:23
mouse weigh? This is 60 g. >> It can weigh as much as you want. >> Yeah, it's customizable. It's I remember
01:23:29
the days of adding weights where now everyone is like, I need to shave grams off of my mouse. If this thing is over
01:23:36
35 gram, I ain't touching it. >> It could weigh up to 157. >> That's like
01:23:42
>> having a mouse with progressive overload is crazy. >> It's like it's weight training.
01:23:46
>> It's modular, baby. >> So, um the AI overview, which is almost
01:23:49
definitely wrong, but it says that one game of Dota can be between 5,000 to 10,000 clicks.
01:23:56
>> That seems insane. Yeah, >> that's why to be fair, this is something
01:24:00
where like gaming really loves to do the and we've seen this with frame rates and
01:24:04
graphics cards and everything is like you need this to be better, but it's like the point top five% might find like
01:24:11
a huge difference in this. I do think this will be more interesting than like snap tap cuz counter strafing is
01:24:17
something that is really hard to do. But in games where just like a semi-automatic rifle might need to fire
01:24:21
faster, you can do that so easily on a mouse like this. Uh, I need to go home and actually try it. But now I have two
01:24:28
mice to try and No time to try them. >> Three. >> So, I'm just going to start playing
01:24:32
games at work. >> Yeah, it's James Bond. No time to try. >> Um, can I also make a quick
01:24:38
announcement? >> Sure. >> Street Manifesto. >> Oh my god. >> This band.
01:24:42
>> All right. Trivia. >> I've been waiting. Their album still didn't come out. Okay,
01:24:47
>> that's the announcement. >> Mhm. >> There's Okay. They announced the show in
01:24:52
June. >> That's the announcement. But in December, they said that there wouldn't
01:24:56
be another show until the album comes out, which was last June was when the album was supposed to come out. So, so
01:25:03
is the Tesla roster going to come out? >> Siri 2.0 or Street Manifesto first?
01:25:11
>> That's a good question. Probably at the same time. Someone was joking on the
01:25:14
Streetlight subreddit that the reason it hasn't come out was because uh their
01:25:17
music is gonna be in GTA 6's uh like the radio station. So, they're just delaying
01:25:24
it alongside GTA. Anyway, I just had to tell you guys that >> for my like two fans out there that care
01:25:29
about this. >> I know there's at least two though because Ellis told me that at South by
01:25:33
Southwest somebody said that her husband cared about Street Light. >> She know she was like she was like, "My
01:25:38
husband's a huge fan of the podcast. Like, I'm so sorry. Like I've never seen
01:25:42
an episode. I don't really know anything about it, but I do know that someone on the podcast is like a fan of
01:25:49
this really small band I'm really really into. And I was like, "It's Streetlight
01:25:52
Manifesto and David, isn't it?" She was like, "Yeah." >> So, thank you. Now we can do trivia.
01:25:59
>> Can I tell you guys a funny AI overview thing that happened to me a little bit
01:26:02
ago? >> Yeah. >> Um, I was trying to Google the English translation. I was trying to see if
01:26:07
there was an English translation of this book that's like a collection of folklore that I really wanted to read.
01:26:12
And so I searched English and then the name of the book >> and um it's like a collection of these
01:26:18
stories and >> AI overview mixed up the ISBN which is like the sort of the book registration
01:26:25
number with the number of stories in it. So it said the Mabanagion is a collection of 111125239255811137281023
01:26:38
3818912 321154 medieval Welsh pros tales. I don't know what that number is. Uh but I guarantee
01:26:48
you there is not that much of anything in anywhere. >> That's almost as long as the
01:26:51
simmerelion. >> No, there's way more. >> I had a huge fight with uh
01:26:56
>> AI overview. Well, it was like Google Lens search and then the AI like trying
01:27:00
to I was trying to find a keycap that was on the uh mech keyboard subreddit and I said, "What is this?" And it like
01:27:09
kept bringing me it's saying, "Oh, it's this and this model from this artist and
01:27:13
it's on this website." I'm like, "I can't find it on the website. Are you
01:27:15
sure?" "Oh, just kidding. It was actually this one." For so long and then
01:27:18
I kept going like absolutely right. >> It just kept saying, "It's definitely
01:27:20
from this." I said, "What p? Show me link. Just send me a link. Only give me
01:27:25
the link. Don't say anything else." and just never got it. And then I just
01:27:27
replied on the subreddit and in like five minutes he answered what it was from and I was like,
01:27:32
>> I hate AI. Talking to humans is better than talking to a >> Did it just send you this picture over
01:27:39
and over again? >> A key. A key on a baseball cap. >> Keycap. >> That's a fire hat. Holy.
01:27:46
>> Well, you should buy that. >> I should definitely buy this. >> How many Wikipedia pages are there
01:27:51
called >> I hate photos so much >> TV? >> And I'm looking for Delta. You can go
01:27:55
over >> Delta Airlines. >> Do you know why it's called Delta Airlines?
01:28:03
>> Because >> Because it changes what place you're in. >> Yeah, that's
01:28:07
>> I made that up. That's not true. >> True. >> No, it almost is definitely because of
01:28:12
>> prices, right? Airlines. >> Delta. >> I was going to say Delta wings, but
01:28:15
jetliners don't use Delta wings. So, >> Delta Christ. >> I don't
01:28:18
>> I think it's actually just changing where you are. Let's just change my
01:28:20
mind. >> He was actually uh on the Deltitarian diet and just came back from it.
01:28:25
>> He was eating only triangles. Allegedly, it is named after the Mississippi Delta.
01:28:29
Guys, how many Wikipedia pages whoever you get closest to >> mouth of the river?
01:28:35
>> I said six. >> Six is incorrect. >> Okay. I said seven. >> That is also incorrect.
01:28:40
>> I said seven. >> That is third incorrect. But Marquez was closest. There are three.
01:28:46
>> Oh, >> there is kind of a trick question. There is the page for the Apple TV hardware
01:28:50
device, >> the Apple TV streaming service, >> and the Apple TV app, which you can get
01:28:56
on other >> devices. These are dedicated pages. I >> thought there be more than one for the
01:29:00
hardware devices. >> There are three things 2024, >> but there's not separate pages. There's
01:29:04
just one page that details all of them. >> No, these are three separate Wikipedia
01:29:07
pages. >> Well, I know those are I'm talking about the hardware. >> Ah, yes. No, three point though.
01:29:13
>> Apple TV, Wikipedia. >> Okay, needs the point, so I'll give it
01:29:15
to him. Not a single TV made by Apple. >> I'm now going to hand it off to Adam for
01:29:22
a quick update on that score. >> Anna de Montana. >> Marquez with 19.
01:29:26
>> We got a point. >> Andrew with 19. David way in the lead. 23. >> Jesus.
01:29:32
>> Yeah. Next question. What >> really got out of hand. >> Did Apple release Apple Maps?
01:29:38
>> What year? >> Yeah. Closest without going over. >> Too high.
01:29:42
>> Yep. >> Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. I think is this. But let me think. So
01:29:49
dubdub. Let's see. I don't know. Probably was farther. Without going too high.
01:29:57
>> Indeed. Without going too high. >> Dang. I'll try it. >> And flip them and read. What do you guys
01:30:06
got? >> Oh, Jesus. Oh, wow. We all >> I'm just going to say all of you are
01:30:10
wrong, but tell me what your answers are. >> Uh, I wrote 2017. Nope. >> I wrote 2014.
01:30:17
>> Nope. >> 2010. >> Nope. But Andrew gets the point >> cuz I didn't go over, baby. Let's go.
01:30:22
>> It was 2012. >> Oh, >> that's my first point. >> 2012.
01:30:27
>> Maybe in 2026. >> No, >> I went on a blazing lead to start and I
01:30:34
have not had anything. >> Guns blaz. >> It's essentially the New Jersey Devils.
01:30:39
>> We're going to have to >> blow it out of the water and then just
01:30:42
>> Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah, >> Sacramento City Kings. >> That's cuz I grew up there.
01:30:49
>> That's a good >> I went to a lot of games. Kobe. No, Kobe wasn't.
01:30:53
>> Sorry, he was on the >> Oh, that's Bam. >> Bam. >> No, it was um No, the old guys.
01:30:59
>> Yeah, you got this. >> When the Kings were good. >> Uhhuh. >> Uh, hit it.
01:31:02
>> Paige. No, Mikey was not >> Bibby. Are you a Bibby fan? >> Bibby. I have a I had a bobblehead of
01:31:07
Bibby. Of >> the bobblehead of >> Bibby bobblehead. Uh, Kevin Durant.
01:31:13
>> No. No. >> Deja Styovich. Does that Doug Christie >> Doug Christie okay Christie Mike Bby
01:31:22
>> Brad >> Lander Brad >> Brad Miller? I don't know. My grandpa
01:31:29
was really into Kings basketball so we went to a lot of games actually. >> Wow.
01:31:33
>> I was waiting for you to explain the film in basketball terms and you never
01:31:36
did. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh the film. Oh yeah. Somebody posted this. So, well, okay,
01:31:42
real quick. I got to give you guys Okay, I got to tell you about this and I'll
01:31:47
explain. I'm sorry. >> It's not about Streetlight, though. It's
01:31:51
about film. >> Okay, so Kodak, you know Kodak? >> Yeah, I saw that. >> I know Kodak.
01:31:57
>> They went out they went out a bit they went they went bankrupt a long time ago.
01:32:01
>> I believe you. >> Yeah, they went bankrupt. Kodak was basically was basically like was like
01:32:06
IBM. They were like one of the biggest companies in the world for quite a long time. Then they went bankrupt because
01:32:12
they were stupid. >> And then >> because nobody shoots film anymore.
01:32:15
>> That's not true. >> I do. Uh anyway, they had to split into two separate companies as part of the
01:32:22
bankruptcy and they became Kodak and Kodakis. Kodak Eastman and Kodakis. Okay. The way that the deal worked was that
01:32:31
Kodak Eastman would produce the film and they would sell the film to Kodakaris which would then sell sell the film to
01:32:38
consumers. They'd package itself to consumers. Really strange bankruptcy. >> I I don't get that.
01:32:42
>> Yeah, I don't really get >> Hey, we don't have any money, so let's
01:32:44
just be the same company but two companies and the same thing more complicated. >> There's details and there's business
01:32:50
stuff. >> Tax reasons, tax reason. I don't know. Anyway, uh fairly recently Kodak
01:32:55
Eastman, and I'm not sure why this started happening, became able to sell film itself again. So now Kodaka still
01:33:03
exists who they are still selling film to, but they are now they have new packaging and new names for like a lot
01:33:09
of the film that they're selling. >> So there's like Ultramax and like
01:33:14
there's Portra and all this stuff. Uh, Portra is the Kodak Eastman like name
01:33:20
for the film, but name for the film, but the Kodak Eastman version is now called
01:33:24
like Kodak color or something like that. >> Okay. >> So, anyway, over the last like six
01:33:29
months, they've been re-releasing all these films, but with like different packaging and different names, generally
01:33:36
cheaper because they don't have to do like they don't have to sell it. Eastman
01:33:40
doesn't have to. No, doesn't have to make a margin. Anyway, on Instagram, they they posted,
01:33:46
"We just released this new film." And someone said, "Can you explain this to
01:33:49
me in basketball terms?" >> Okay, >> shut up, >> David. So,
01:33:55
I think my basketball thing would be like if Mike Bby >> and Kobe >> Bryant,
01:34:03
>> should I not? Is that bad to say? >> No, it's a basketball player.
01:34:07
>> Kobe Bryant. My baby and Kobe Bryant were like best friend were like the same
01:34:11
person and then they split into two people. This is a bad analogy. I can't make the B basketball analogy. I don't
01:34:17
know enough about basketball to make the basketball. >> I think that's a hard thing to do. I can
01:34:19
do a tech analogy. >> People can't split in half. >> If you can make a tech analogy, I will
01:34:25
try to make it a basketball. Okay. Okay. Good. This is like telephone. >> I like this
01:34:29
>> film company split in two. >> Basketball it. >> But no. Okay.
01:34:34
>> What's a let me let me do a tech analogy. >> Yeah. Okay. Imagine if Android had to
01:34:40
spin off from Google, right? And which we've or Chrome, let's say Chrome,
01:34:45
>> okay? >> And Google still made Chrome, but they couldn't distribute it. And Chrome, the
01:34:53
company was the one that like actually packaged it and distributed it to people. And then later on, uh, for some
01:35:01
reason, Google was once again able to make Chrome. And because Chromium is open sourced, because they still have
01:35:06
the like they still have the rights to do it, they released it under Google Chrome as opposed to just Chrome,
01:35:13
>> you know. I got I got a version. >> Okay. Basketball. >> It would be like if Kevin Durant played
01:35:18
for a Seattle team called the SuperSonics >> and then at some point they went away
01:35:24
and they split. Kevin Durant went to another team and the SuperSonics went away and became Oklahoma City Thunder.
01:35:30
And then later, okay, >> the NBA was like, "We should make an expansion team in Seattle."
01:35:36
>> And Kevin Durant went back to the Seattle team. >> Oh, I like it. Okay, we should clip that
01:35:44
and uh comment on that guy's comment. >> Let's see if that works. That might not
01:35:47
be. >> That was like a game of telephone. >> It might happen. It might not. All that
01:35:51
we've learned a lot on the pod. >> Some trivia explanations. >> Yeah. Hopefully some of that is
01:35:55
accurate. Hey, thanks for watching. >> See you in April. Wait, really? It's
01:36:00
been a really long March. I know. It's been April 1st. Wait, is it going to be
01:36:05
April 1st when we record? Next time we record it will be April officially. April.
01:36:08
>> So, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. I think
01:36:12
we finally killed that feature. >> Either way, catch you guys next week. Peace.
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Network and Tri Music was created by Vainil. >> Bingo. That was a quick one.
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In hindsight, if I was a teacher and I gave this assignment, this would probably be like a lesson in like just
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how big the solar system is. But I was a very literal. I was like, I have to make
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everything the right