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foreign people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and this week we've got a
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bunch of stuff actually we're back to having a real smartphone releases in February which is it's good it's that
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it's it's somehow already February and only February I feel like this is sort of a Time Warp at the beginning of the year but here we are uh we also have uh our super secret but also not so secret
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viral button to discuss we want to talk about that a little bit but first uh I did want to ask if you guys saw Mr
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BEAST's video of uh curing blindness and a thousand people did you guys see that video I did not I did not watch it
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however if you go on the YouTube app on any computer it is Page first one that is served to every single person on the planet he was making this whole big deal about how he's changing up the pace in a video finally like we all know what he
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does with his videos which is like I took a thousand this and did this or like right off the beginning and this one was a little bit more of along the
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lines of like there's a real message and a real interesting thing he did so the title and thumbnail was like him curing
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people's blindness which is very clickable you're like how do you do that and then in the video he just goes through and pays for like a very basic
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cheap cataract removal surgery for about a thousand people so they get to see for the first time in their life and it's
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actually kind of incredible and then the the spiraling in the background on the Internet is it gets 50 million views in
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a day and then everyone goes wait why isn't this surgery available for everyone for like for free it should be super easy so that's like the discussion
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on it I saw that commentary that it like highlights how terrible the U.S Health Care system is but yeah I mean I don't
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know I feel like that's I appreciate that a Mr Beast video can highlight for millions of people the flaws in the
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Healthcare System yeah you know maybe that's what it's going to take yeah okay let's talk about Tick Tock this is a I
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guess there's a couple headlines about this but essentially uh there was a Forbes investigation into Tick Tock that
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revealed for our video listeners or audio listeners I'm doing air quotes here that revealed that there is some
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human intervention into what does and doesn't go viral on Tick Tock I think they called it a button a button a
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heating button yeah yeah is this a shock to anybody no well no no I wonder if this is an
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actual button because they keep saying it's a button but I I wonder if it's more just like a a code injection I
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guess like when you say is it a button do you mean like I mean there's a room with this just like giant red button on
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it or do you think there's like uh something in there I just wonder if in like in the developer portal they have
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like a heat button I think it's like more it's from this it seems more easily accessible than like developer code because it seems like there are people that Forbes is considering lower on the
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totem pole of tick tock including some contractors with bite dance that were able to quote unquote press this button
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yeah okay let me just say what the button does for people who are wondering so obviously if you've used Tick Tock you know it's just the algorithm serving
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you videos and it just decides what you're going to see next based on your previous behavior and it's gotten really good at figuring out what people want to
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see based on how they use tick tock so Forbes says in addition to letting the algorithm decide what goes viral staff
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for tick tock invite dance also secretly hand pick specific videos and supercharge their distribution using a
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practice known internally as heating so I would distinguish this from like or you know YouTube trending where I guess it's a it's an obvious collection
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of both hand-picked and algorithmically successful videos and they just put it in this page and call it trending yeah
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um I think on Tick Tock a lot of people might just assume it's just whatever the
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algorithm wants and there's no control over what's blowing up um but if you work for tick tock yeah
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you're gonna have some built-in controls obviously to prevent things you don't want to go viral yeah there's some
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policy violations or some negatives just something some Tide pod challenge you don't want to blow up
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um but yeah on the opposite side it's also true yeah if you find some things that you want to experiment with and see if they work before the algorithm gets
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to it yeah Reddit has uh a bunch of different ways to sort content and there's there's hot which is like
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basically trending and then there's also Rising which I think is like content that's on a meeting that's on a toy yeah
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yeah yeah so I feel like that when you're when you heat a video it's your are probably making it rise just like
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bread you're giving it a little extra boost a little the little NOS boost at the the other videos
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it uh it's like you said we're not that surprised by it and the reason it is kind of different than trending Pages
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you have to go to the trending page to look at videos like that on YouTube you know what I mean where this is just showing up on your for you page right um
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I'm sure there's still some sort of like they're gonna push it and heat it and there's still some sort of like
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algorithm of these people are in this demographic and like this type of video and it's just gonna push to them faster
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than other videos for that demographic um but to like officially have through this Forbes investigation like the proof that there's that button and that it seems that Tick Tock is using it a
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little um more willy-nilly than some other I mean we don't know the other ones but
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there have been a few reports in that investigation that people were heating content that they had from people with close personal relationships to and like maybe there's some favorites being
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played in some things uh I still have some other um theories that I want to be investigated about Tick Tock I remember I remember
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earlier I had the theory that uh if you make a new account they'll take one of your first posts and
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absolutely Skyrocket it to them just one of your first posts I wonder if this is I honestly wonder if that's tied to this
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in some way well that seems algorithmic because there's no way somebody can hop around
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tick tock looking for new accounts and making sure somebody's first five videos always has one blow up but would you say that you're you're doing that because of
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your account that you created and we hit that like 30 million view Tick Tock within like the first five videos yeah
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but I also see it on other accounts as well okay so I'll see it I'll see a a video that's super viral and I'm like I
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wonder if there's more like that and I'll go to their profile and it's one of their first like 12 videos I'm like I know what's going on here yeah and uh
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YouTube has a different set of ways that I see it experiment with pushing things and shorts fees is even newer and
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different but I just that's one of my theories I wonder if ours specifically was was the manual manipulation because
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you did you were you verified on Tick Tock before you even posted anything because didn't they like I posted a few
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things before I was verified and before I had any contact at Tick Tock which I barely have now I think
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um I don't remember if the thing that blew up was before or after for that though yeah I'm sure they were aware
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that you are a large Creator and then like they were I'm sure and this isn't just for you I bet this is for a lot of
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other large creators starting on Tick Tock they want to blow that stuff up like they want creators to
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be like oh my God look at the type of numbers I want to be on this app yeah that makes it total sense too because
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they they do say that like the reason for this button is to push new content to different people and be able to to
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like distribute wealth I guess you know views being wealth to other people on the internet and uh make it a more diverse community of who can of what type of content you're seeing yeah I
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think that's the ironic part of all of this is that like on YouTube if you can heat a video that person's making
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significantly more money on Tick Tock if you give people 20 million more views they're making three more sense it's like this is true through direct Creator fund yeah yeah I mean the Creator friend
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just like sucks because it's just it's like a static amount we've talked about that before but like
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they I think in the investigation they talked about how there were some people that could get like better brand deals
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if their content got heated and so they tried to get like Tick Tock heated those accounts that's the stuff I think when
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they were talking about contractors that was like one of the things that's like well these are creators who are doing
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brand content like we want to prove brand content can be better on Tick Tock platform like let's blow those views up
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and yeah and they said that heated uh like in a day the total heated videos can account for one to two percent of
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Total video views of that day when they're the Assumption of video views per day on Tick Tock are like over a billion right so that's a lot more why yeah yeah don't make it sound small like
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oh it's only one percent it's just a small thing of a billion though that's the thing like a lot how many views do you get on
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trending on YouTube and how many views do you get obviously views are different on YouTubers is Tick Tock oh yeah right
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no I'd say uh wow being top five in trending on YouTube how many views do you think that would get a video yeah it used to be more it used to yeah it used to be way more yeah I think right
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now if I'll have a video like that I know is going to do really well like a new device comes out or something and it
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actually ends up on trending you can go into the analytics and see like it got 1200 views from trending or it got 3 000
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views from trending like it's not enough to change the trajectory of the video that's already successful enough to get
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onto trending in the first place yeah the trending like tab isn't really on the home page anymore yeah exactly it's
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just like some explore page that you can find if you look hard enough yeah whereas I think they used to have it it used to be like literally right here
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like one of the third options of the menu YouTube used to have uh temporary badges do you remember these temporary badges like under the video
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where it said under videos and channels you could have a video that is the number 23 most commented video in Brazil
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in technology this week oh yeah oh you could have a channel that was like the most the number nine most viewed Science and Tech channel in the UK today right
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and so you'd have just a list of badges under everything because everything at that level one YouTube is much smaller
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yeah and there was all kinds of things just popping off there'd be tons of crazy Badges and then some of the
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biggest creators would just have monster lists of badges on every video it would just be number one most viewed comedy
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number one most viewed comedy of the day number one most viewed comedy of the week number one most viewed comedy of the month number one most viewed comedy
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English-speaking country it'll just keep going and going yeah I just I just remember those days now it's like not that big of a deal to be on a homepage
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of YouTube because that just rotates all the time it's customized so I wanted to talk about this one because it's
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interesting but two because we have kind of Our Own theory behind manual manipulation and YouTube trending which
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we talked about a little bit before but but the main Theory being is that we think they're manually working on
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trending because we've never seen two videos in trending from the same channel at the same time right including ours
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but also just like I've never seen it and we've had videos that are like top 10 trending and are still trending and
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then our next one comes out and it also hits trending and then that one goes away to the to the minute yeah I remember because okay so this would
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happen a couple years ago really where we had a good little streak of like maybe 10 20 videos in a row that hit
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trending and I would get a notification every time a video Hit trending so a video hit like Drop it would do well it
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would I'll get the notification this video is trending cool but we have an embargo tomorrow where we're about to
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drop a new video probably in the middle of this current video's Peak so I keep an eye on how well it would do on trending and then right before the
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Embargo I check the old video is still on trending I dropped the new video it does really well the second the new
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video notification pops up that that hit trending I would check the old video and it would be off of trending no matter how high or low it was it would be off
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trending so I was like oh there's probably some sort of a Fail-Safe for like a algorithmic loop where if you add
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something manually to trending it just takes other things from the same channel off trending so that it's not too
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favored something like that uh never confirmed this but I think at one point I finally did have at one point two
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videos on trending for like two hours same channel not from one of our other channels yeah one was really
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high one was really low and I were both on Trend well then that may have um it only happened once and I don't
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know if that's because the person maybe forgot to remove the old video or if there is no mechanical thing that forces
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the video out of trending when you add a new one I don't really know yeah it's just a theory it seems like it should happen though because like Mr Beast puts
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out videos close up to each other where both of them could be the two most popular videos on YouTube and they won't
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be well his main Channel it would only be uh from a single Channel like you could have videos on trending at the same time yeah yeah this main Channel he has like three
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weeks between videos yeah he's had some in the past that have been close enough and all of his stuff is just
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destroying like should be on trending essentially every single time I wonder if like Casey neistat daily Vlogs did
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that oh yeah because they were that's another good example yeah it was a good time
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anyway it's a theory a game theory the YouTube Theory Theory seems to be uh pretty much proved it's confirmed confirmed which I mean I'm pretty sure every social media platform
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that you're on has some sort of person behind the scenes at some point doing something to increase viewership for
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some reason mostly the reasons money for the social media platform also for safety to just make sure crazy things
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short Trend my Twitter trending topics are typically pretty Niche when I go to Twitter it'll be like you know Galaxy unpacked is trending or like apple is trending like classic stuff and it'll be
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like USBC iPhone will be trending on Twitter I'm like I know that's not trending for everybody on Twitter right
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now but just me just mine I'll have like real Niche Tech things trending on mine
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which is probably not surprising I'm looking at trading right now and the titles of the videos that are trending
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are very strange on YouTube yeah two cry face emojis is one of the titles those are shorts that's interesting they have
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a Creator that's on crater on and just has five of her shorts right at the top they do that sometimes hmm yeah that
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makes that makes more sense for shorts they have a lot of shorts on trending right now I guess like a short title is
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kind of weird though because if you're going through the shorts page you're basically not even seeing the title right yeah because you're just scrolling when was the last time you opened up
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YouTube and went to trending I did the first time I was just gonna say that yeah this is the first time I think I think Dundas like ever I think that's why it has so it used to be traffic it
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used to be way more popular it used to be essentially right next to the home page like you would have your home page
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trending and your subscriptions and it would be a huge deal to show up on all three you could be on the YouTube homepage and trending and people subscribed to you you're gonna get
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clicks it's great it's a great place to be now if you want to go to find trending over on the left there's home
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short subscriptions Originals YouTube music then all of the playlists and stuff that you have signed in and your own subscriptions then underneath that
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the explore tab has trending underneath it so trending is sort of uh trending is
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dead sidebar yeah I feel like YouTube is just getting more and more algorithmic and it's just like don't pick things
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just have things served to you yeah I mean shorts is a good example of that but even videos but I mean my
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recommended has been on fire lately that's the thing they're they're recommended Pages like so much better
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for that at this point yeah so that's pretty much it I think probably we'll we'll go to talk about this OnePlus 11 that I've been sitting on I've had this
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phone for maybe three weeks which is longer than usual but we'll talk about it after the break but first let's get
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our first trivia question trivia so actually you've had that phone for so long that I forgot that we had it yeah yeah I was like oh snap do we even have that phone you're like yeah it's right here yeah yeah everywhere coming
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in anyways so we spoke about Tick Tock today whose parent company is bite dance a giant Chinese company so the question when was bite dance founded
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how long has it been around that does still Mega Corp kinda in the way it's named by dance too easy
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bite dance well we'll think about our answers we'll get to it at the very end oh but let's uh I never even thought
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about that yeah anyway bite dance small dances like short videos of people dancing yeah is it a bite or a bit is it
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back I have a hot take and this is this is sort of spur of the moment but I could I think I can back it up and maybe
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there's Devil's advocates in the room I think the OnePlus 11 is not only a really good phone but uh
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it's better overall than the Galaxy s23 better buy hear me out I'll explain so wait hear me out first Galaxy s23 is 799
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uh one plus 11 is 699 so what's the difference between those two phones because we're very familiar with Samsung's offering OnePlus kind of in flux and this is one of their better phones
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um this phone the OnePlus that I'm holding now has a better camera array has a better battery and battery life has faster charging has an arguably
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Better or Worse design depends on how you feel it has the alert slider uh it has a better screen
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and it has the same Snapdragon 8 gen 2. they both have eight gigs of RAM and 128
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gigs of storage to start um but the OnePlus has a 1440p 120 hertz OLED with a thousand Hertz touch sample rate which Samsung's base phones have 1080p displays uh it also has a bunch of
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little things Wi-Fi 7 Bluetooth 4.0 lpddrx 5 Ram ufs 4.0 storage and it's only missing one thing that the Samsung has which is wireless charging and other than that it's even across the board 100
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bucks less I think this is a better device yeah crazy I'm gonna let David go on this first I mean the wireless charging
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is it's annoying to me that wireless charging is always the thing that you take out when you make a cheap Quantum a
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cheaper phone especially when they put like Wi-Fi 7 and all this like super bleeding edge
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stuff in it it's kind of just strange like the wireless charging cables can't cost that much but maybe it's for the
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design I think yeah I would I would buy that over the Galaxy s20 for sure yeah I
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also just don't really love Samsung's ux so and their phones are just exceedingly boring to me now which is part of their
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strategy but yeah you know I'll talk about the ux on this phone in a second we have the review out by the time you're watching this but Andrew what do
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you think I mean I think wireless charging I can't believe they don't have it OnePlus like started doing
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wireless charging too so to take it away again to be only in the pros though I mean they still started doing it and I don't know well I feel I've said it a
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million times when you're in the wireless charging once you're in the ecosystem of it getting out of it feels
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like that's true man so if you're like plugging my phone in now feels weird right because you're already in it like
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if you already use a phone that has wireless charging it's much harder to to upgrade to a phone that doesn't have
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wireless charges yeah but if you've never had wireless charging which maybe a lot of OnePlus customers or a lot of
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people currently using other 500 phones don't have maybe that are older and this is less big of a deal and that's where
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they decide to save money I don't know how much like Wi-Fi seven costs to implement versus wi-fi six like I don't know Wi-Fi 6E is great but like am I
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ever going to notice that this phone has Wi-Fi seven probably not yeah so it's like weird that they would they would Flex a little bit on those completely
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intangible unnoticeable things but then skip out on like a very noticeable relatively cheap feature yeah like
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wireless charging they intentionally said they weren't gonna make a pro version this time well I bet you they
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will I just wonder what would go in a pro version of this right because it has everything except wireless charging basically yeah they they kind of pitched
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this phone to me way back when they introduced it to me weeks ago as like we want to keep it simple we've had these
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like Pro phones and t-phones and other phones in the past we want to we just simplify it and just make one Flagship so there is no Pro this is the flagship
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it's the OnePlus 11. so I don't think they're going to make one that also has wireless charging I think this is their Flagship 6.99 pretty good for a flagship
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um but it's got the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 it's got the 1440p ltpo it's got like a really it's it's very quick it's a 5 000
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milliamp hour battery with 80 watt charging yeah phenomenal battery life anyway so I feel like when I do plug it
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in once in a while it's great so yeah I do miss wireless charging but it's a really good battery butt in there really
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quick on that if we're saying the pro versions are the only one that had wireless charging but then this is
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they're saying this is their Flagship that's the pro that is the top level then and then it's not an excuse to not
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yeah they're just wireless charging anymore it's a I think it's a bad one but the pro is 8.99 I'm just saying it
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was their top level one they were okay with wireless charging so maybe they're going a totally different route now but
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like if they took away wireless charging it's maybe it's this is their Flagship they took it away this is their Flagship
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but they're just giving up on Pro I I think there's other companies that did this too they just gave up on a high-end
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phone like Motorola if they just didn't do the ultra anymore they would just have their normal high-end phones and not do a thousand dollar phone it kind of feels like that's what OnePlus did they had like a tier system and they
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just got rid of the top tier do you know who this feels like one plus well yeah is that weird to say
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like this feels like the one the one plus one we all loved OnePlus I also and I like that point now it's it's kind of
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hilarious that they um they when we gave them the bust of the Year award in December they started using that as
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marketing for this phone and they tweeted like a couple weeks ago they were like this award is what motivated
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us to make the OnePlus 11 it's like no this was in development so when we put out the the smartphone Awards they were the first ones to claim their award that's got to be the first
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time the bust of the year is the first one to claim their award but they did they took their trophy first also a lot
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of other companies have taken their trophies now which is cool but yeah then now they're going around like tweeting pictures of it like this is the one
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we're gonna defy yeah all right cool great so this is the response I mean I gotta say I mean the review is gonna be
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out by the time you guys I think see this podcast but it is a really good phone and it does feel like the OnePlus
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of the past that's like undercutting the Samsungs and iPhones of the world the cheapest iPhone other than the SE is
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going to be more expensive than this the cheapest uh Samsung Flagship is more expensive than this so in that sense it
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feels like a good deal I did also want to mention my UI quirks okay that I hate about this phone they're so subtle but like this is running that new software that we've seen you know Oppo and
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OnePlus merge together with um one thing that I can do on every single Android phone I use is I can swipe to dismiss notifications left or right
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simple thing I just go back and forth I got five notifications boom boom boom swipe them all away this phone you can
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only swipe to dismiss to the right if you swipe to the left it just pulls up settings and does a half swipe you can't
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get rid of notifications to the left that's one thing the second thing is every single other Android phone that I
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use you can use two phones to swipe down and expand a notification so if I have like six new GroupMe messages or six new
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slack messages I can like swipe down and decide to open the ones in the autofocus slack or the ones in the main Slack
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on this one you can't do that you have to just tap it and then tap which one you want to get into you have to tap you you can't just open the app so basically before if I had a group of notifications
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from GroupMe and I just tapped it it would just open group me with this one I tap it it expands them and then I have to tap again so just it's just these little weird gesture things that just
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make it slightly harder and more annoying to use in my notifications that make me so annoyed with how at that if
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they just added that one setting where they allow me to actually use notifications the way every other phone works I would probably daily this phone
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I think it's my favorite phone so far of the year it's pretty early but it's pretty sweet it's wireless charging important to you to me no I I am if you
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give me 80 watt charging I can live without wireless charging like it is a little bit less convenient because I have wireless charging in my car uh but
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I can deal with the fact that this battery life is so good that I'm fine with not charging in my car and when I
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get home I'll plug in for two minutes and I'll have a bunch more battery so I'm fine with that I really like it it's just like that a couple weird software
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quirks that bugged me so I feel like that's so interesting to me I the only place I don't have wireless charging is my car and I mean I plug it in because
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I'm using Android auto already but you that's so weird that you would prefer to not charge in your car and prefer to charge at home I would rather charge in
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the place where I'm like locked into a seat for x amount of time yeah versus going home when I would rather just have
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my phone like near me yeah I guess I'm if I'm at home I'm just kind of around and it doesn't matter as much but when
00:26:40
I'm in the car That's a classic battery draining activity where my phone's full brightness streaming music GPS is on
00:26:46
like a bunch of stuff happening so if it's sitting in the car and it's not charging that's when I lose the most battery so if I have a wireless charger
00:26:53
in my car that helps me like keep at least the battery at the same level so it's not like plummeting uh this one I
00:27:01
just like do all the normal GPS stuff and it takes a small hit out of the battery and it's fine because the battery life is excellent and then I get
00:27:07
home and at some point if I find a charger I plug in while I'm in a shower or something and it's all the way back to 90 and it's fine so you know there's the I think I talk about this in a lot
00:27:19
of uh phones with fast charging in the review I'm like you you can either give me a really long battery life or fast charging or convenient charging
00:27:25
experience and if you can kind of do a little bit of both then I'm happy so yeah I like this phone it's just that
00:27:32
that little bit of software Quirk and feature is is what bugs me dude it's got a lot going for it for some reason they're also saying that the camera array is um like supposed to be a black
00:27:42
hole we can talk about cameras yeah let's talk about the cameras uh visually you want to talk about the design of the
00:27:48
the camera bump or whatever yeah yeah this is uh it's a matte black phone it's supposed to kind of be like a starry night type of thing it's fine it's a little slippery whatever it's fine and
00:28:00
then yeah you got a big cut out that's a circle on the side of the phone I don't mind it it's a it's
00:28:07
annoying to sometimes have it Rock it's not too bad it's not the prettiest thing
00:28:12
in the world but it's got pretty good cameras uh the main camera oh hasselblad's back too by the way remember how they just didn't do it for a couple phones for some reason and they
00:28:22
spent like 150 million dollars on this partnership it's back so hasselblad's back I don't know what that means exactly optically but the photos look
00:28:29
really good I have a lot of low light examples a lot of video examples the camera is actually very solid on this
00:28:34
phone there's also a telephoto and an ultra wide it's good it's a good camera I think the
00:28:39
camera bulb looks bad looks bad is it a deal breaker bad or is it just like I don't think a dish
00:28:46
the look of a phone on the back is ever quite deal like breaker ever I'm a case person too so it doesn't
00:28:52
quite matter as much but it cares it could look like anything I like the way it looks I don't like the way it looks it's like kind of doing the like over
00:28:59
the edge like the S21 but then it's also doing a big circle like the mate comes also combining them which then just adds we have three different layers of bumps now and
00:29:11
it's less seamless than it looks good that's 21 days it looks like um who's the the superhero that has like the eyepiece that comes around the side of their eye oh the cartoon one Cyclops
00:29:25
no he has the whole full the whole thing why is it just like yeah [Music] yeah I think Dragon Ball Z yeah yeah this one's observing because
00:29:38
that's funny yeah now it's if you put a case on it though I'm sure it'll just I think the black hole thing is supposed
00:29:44
to be because it has this like little shiny starry thing on the inside the black holes aren't shiny yeah well we
00:29:49
have to imagine a black hole in some way you can't even see a black black holes also don't say Hasselblad across the front of them
00:29:59
black hole at the center of our galaxy if this was actually a black hole you just couldn't even see the camera
00:30:05
but that's hard to engineer and it's really hard no but they should have used it like sucks the light like a black
00:30:12
hole yeah yeah I know it like I get it it gobbles it up and gobbles it one of my favorite things is in their um in their briefing they described it as seductively curvy and irresistibly like
00:30:25
shiny or something uh and if it's a black hole technically it's seductively a black hole is seductive because you can't escape the pull irresistible it's
00:30:35
irresistible yeah so audio listeners Andrew is like destroying his loving I love it black
00:30:42
holes are irresistibly curvy it's it's a fact technically it's scientifically true technically true that's actually
00:30:48
true yeah no this this one's fine it's fine in hand it feels really good I always love that OnePlus does the like
00:30:55
the shallower edges so phones just feel thinner despite being the same size as every single other phone um and they always have fantastic first
00:31:05
party cases I've always have thought that's one of the best thing OnePlus has ever done I
00:31:11
always thought they should be a case business seriously they make the best first party cases yeah yeah this would
00:31:16
be a good phone to put a case on so it would look look better better more like a like a cover that black hole unlike
00:31:22
the Google ones that are just absolute crap no I missed the fabric after the fabric ones the silicone ones actually
00:31:31
I'm using one now I never use this fine so it's just boring the New Gen like the pixel 7 silicone is better but the pixel
00:31:37
6 silicone cases were like which phone looks better mine the OnePlus 11. I think the pixel or the one plus the pixel or the one plus I think the OnePlus looks better I think the pixel
00:31:49
looks better I think the pixel definitely looks better but I don't think the OnePlus looks terrible
00:31:55
it's just trying too much I would prefer they try too much versus the s23 which tries literally a negative amount yeah it didn't do any I mean if you thought the s23 was fine before this
00:32:08
won't change your mind about it but if you didn't like the s23 you or s22 you definitely don't like the s23 because
00:32:13
it's the same thing it looks exactly the same yeah yeah that's fine uh anyway you should check out the full review that'll
00:32:19
be out either soon or is already out by the time you see this but uh not a whole ton to say I'm glad we got to get
00:32:26
through it though I'm excited for the Q a I am very curious what people want to ask us and what we and I as far as I can
00:32:32
tell you guys have picked questions for us I haven't we haven't seen you haven't seen them yet we know okay so it was
00:32:37
pulled on Twitter and I got tagged in some but I didn't read any of them so this will be the first time we look at them so do that after the break but
00:32:44
first let's do another trivia question [Music] all right so a little preview for The Q a to come George G on Twitter at G McFly
00:32:57
underscore 81 asked us can we please have more agricultural slash Orchard trivia related content wait I actually somebody wrote something about the apple tree they don't come most of them don't
00:33:10
come from a seed they come from a graft yeah you have to graft it if you want it to grow quicker
00:33:16
you wanted to eat it to grow good apples you have to graft it do you plan an app look if you plant an apple seed in the
00:33:22
ground you're gonna get a sour apple a little crab apple you're gonna feed that to a horse that's fine you want an
00:33:28
edible Apple you gotta graft what is grafting this isn't a technology a branch and yeah connected into the new seedling did I say it had to be an edible apple or just an apple
00:33:41
stay at an Airbnb in California and in the front tree was the front yard was an orange tree that you could just grab one off and eat and it was a no it was fine okay that's how they ordered yeah yeah
00:33:56
you are not that first person from the Mid-Atlantic to express this surprise it's like amazing yeah we have Orchards all over the first just like eat the fruits I I had like if you see a fruit
00:34:09
tree in New Jersey do not do not eat what's in that tree I have I had a friend from Philadelphia and when he
00:34:15
came to my parents house and we have like grapefruit trees and orange trees and stuff because everyone does in California yeah yeah
00:34:20
um uh he was like what's the regen rate yeah I was like are we gonna deplete this response what's the season baby um yeah we're good okay well on this
00:34:32
note yeah yeah I mean I'm gonna get it wrong whatever the question is yes mung beans prefer which kind of soil no shot a silty soil B sandy soil I don't
00:34:46
even know what that is clay soil you're just saying monk Bean loamy soil I don't know what that is either this is what the people wanted it
00:34:58
probably is Tech adjacent so there's definitely some way that I would love a connection I can't talk I think we'll
00:35:05
see in the answers or I'll be sure we'll find out I think you're going to be strongly disappointed it's just a mung
00:35:10
bean question what even is a mung bean that's exactly what I'm thinking I have no idea really this is made up
00:35:29
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00:36:42
back to the future a little bit so long story short we recorded the first half of the podcast that you've
00:36:48
already listened to a week early because Adam as you can tell it was out but then we had all these AI events and we
00:36:54
figured Sound the Alarm emergency podcast we got to get back in here anyway and talk about what just happened
00:36:59
because there's a lot of this sort of feels like pivotal like a sort of a turning point for AI so we're back in
00:37:04
the future of the past a little bit anyway okay so this event or two this week we had two events that were public one was a Microsoft Event and then one was a Google event the next day the
00:37:17
Microsoft one I'd say much more substantial because they are showing things that they're actually shipping
00:37:22
and that are new and that are very different from what they've done in the past with Bing um and then we did get a little bit of
00:37:28
stuff along the same lines with Google with bard let's start with Microsoft though
00:37:34
uh new Bing experience uh chat GPT integration on the side that sort of helps you search with Bing it's like a co-pilot as they described it it's very it's a really interesting
00:37:47
implementation of AI we're kind of wondering how they would do this what are your thoughts yeah so they have two versions of it there is one that's more
00:37:52
of like a traditional search where you do a normal Bing search not a Google search uh and then a bunch of context
00:37:59
appears on the side and it sort of gives you your answer in a more natural language kind of way as if you were
00:38:05
asking chat GPT and then there's also just a chat interface which is basically just chatgpt just talk so you can have the traditional like give me a bunch of links but also if I'm just asking a
00:38:17
question or asking for a recipe or for some reason one of their implementations was asking for a travel itinerary it
00:38:24
will give you like all the things on the side and then it'll what's kind of cool is that it will it'll Source like the
00:38:29
top three links that it's sort of grabbing from which is interesting because it's doing inference but it's
00:38:35
also giving you link LinkedIn for information which is good yeah however yeah uh websites might start to have
00:38:43
some trouble yeah this was this is the fundamental thing so the idea is we're at a pivotal point with AI because it's not just fun interesting tools that
00:38:54
happen to be AI powered we know what AI is already but now it's big companies taking these AI models and integrating
00:39:00
them with consumer-facing products like real products and one of the first big pivotal versions of this is search so
00:39:08
Google search is very well known Microsoft's Bing search is also very well known and this is this opportunity to have ai help you search the internet
00:39:19
which is interesting because and we will talk probably a lot about this but when
00:39:24
you search the internet fundamentally what you're doing is crawling the entire Internet for
00:39:30
whatever phrase you typed in and then getting a list of things sometimes it's some ads at the top and then a list but
00:39:36
you get a list of links and then you can dive in from there that's why I have 500 tabs open at a time I don't think that's a good excuse
00:39:44
everything on the first page yes um so the idea of AI being integrated in search is instead of just giving you a list of links it can actually crawl information from those pages and from
00:39:57
all these websites and give you a natural language answer to your question instead of you having to dive into the
00:40:04
links sounds helpful but when you're a publisher yeah in those links that suddenly becomes a really existential question which is like how how will this impact us how will this work does the
00:40:18
economy completely change does the business model change lots of questions are unanswered about this
00:40:24
um and I just I like mentioning that like Google's had this AI stuff for like a long time like when you ask Google Assistant like what is
00:40:31
um capital of Japan and it goes it just says at the top Tokyo and then it gives you the list of links like like usual but it just tells you the answer at the top so you don't have to dive into the right and the more complex that question
00:40:43
gets the more dicey and potentially complicated that answer will get yeah so if Google and Bing are going to promise you like a nice written response there's a lot of questions about that
00:40:55
response how good can it be where is it pulling from is it accurate so if I should ask like a math question like what's five plus seven it can tell me it's 12 and be pretty confident about it but if I ask it what are this is the
00:41:07
example on stage at the Microsoft Event what are the 10 best TVs to buy now suddenly it has to decide how to
00:41:14
serve the 10 best TVs it's probably pulling from other websites who have made lists of the best TVs and it's
00:41:21
giving you its top 10 and sourcing you to it but now I'm never going to that other website right yeah I also don't
00:41:27
know was that specifically on stage or Neil I had a really good decoder episode with Satya that was on stage 10 TVs okay
00:41:34
because he brought that up and I I appreciate that he has something like this because as someone who's worked with the Verge so long this is feels
00:41:41
like something that will directly affect them and that 10TV question it couldn't
00:41:46
hit closer to home for him um and he pretty much asked like how am I go like how is The Verge going
00:41:52
to get traffic sources and essentially like income from advertisers if you search for the 10 best TVs and chat GPT just says here's the 10 best TVs yeah satio would respond with well they're
00:42:04
going to see that want to learn more and go through the links of it but I are we all in agreeance that like I think most
00:42:10
people would probably see that and directly go to Amazon I'm interested in how this plays out in the future because
00:42:16
if chat GPT was able to like have embed or not chat gbt but Bing search assistant yeah we'll call it yeah if it was able to have like hyperlinks within
00:42:28
its contextualized thing then because the thing is people want to go down the path of least resistance and the whole reason why companies or white Publishers make so much money on SEO
00:42:41
articles the like best best this articles is because of that um what's it called when you click on a link like affiliate link affiliate links right and so people are going to want to take the
00:42:52
path of released resistance to get to the product right and it's gonna be weird if they just list the top 10 best
00:42:59
TVs but then you have to like separately copy the top one go to Amazon and yeah I
00:43:05
don't know I think that the publisher like SEO model has been kind of broken since the beginning and I think all of
00:43:11
this I think all the Publishers would probably agree with that because they've had to change the way that they write
00:43:17
content they've had to change the way that they like game search engines and do search engine optimization is
00:43:23
literally the term which seems like you're kind of trying to like game the system right it's a very gray area
00:43:29
that's great anyway I think if they had a new model where whatever links chat GPT showed on the side the like top three or four links that got displayed
00:43:42
that it said the context was coming from would get like a small a few cents or something yeah I feel like that would be
00:43:48
a cool model that's way less than affiliate link click though yeah true and I highly I mean they didn't say
00:43:55
anything I can't imagine this pulling an affiliate link from a page and putting it in yeah thing I don't think there's
00:44:01
any chance and that's also still yeah which is less taking away from Banner advertisers totally anything else on a website and just traffic in general to try and sell those banner ads now like
00:44:13
your website could be getting 100 active or a million active users a month I could see that getting cut in half
00:44:19
very easily it has fundamentally it has to go down like if you if you are the and I say it's a great area because
00:44:26
there's like the how to watch the Super Bowl online article where it's like someone's gonna google that and you just
00:44:32
want to be as close to the top as possible and then there's just like straight gaming it so there is like a whole list of things you can do but it's
00:44:39
like if the whole point of this AI help is to give you an answer instead of you sorting through links then functionally less people will go to the links right right so there will have to be a hit
00:44:53
there but my all my other question is I guess just in like user behavior and I think I
00:45:00
think this depends on my theory is this depends mostly on how big of a financial decision you're making but do people
00:45:07
actually just take the answer from the top of search and then just leave I think if it's just I think okay I
00:45:14
think it was just a fact question yeah like what's the fastest animal in the ocean and at the top it says the top speed of a swordfish is 40 miles an hour
00:45:21
okay I left I didn't click any links but if you ask give me a recipe for banana bread
00:45:26
maybe I just take the recipe it spits out and leave or maybe I check a couple more or maybe I'm looking for a little more involvement there's like three or four interesting recipes to choose from or something I think there was a
00:45:39
question uh on stage which was like give me an itinerary to a vacation in Europe
00:45:44
and it was like okay you will fly to Spain you will see this Museum you will take a bunches all those things
00:45:50
separately yeah and it's like there's no way I go okay that's what I'll do and then just leave like you still need to
00:45:55
dig into the links and stuff yeah um and I always just wondered that like when people see the top 10 TVs listed
00:46:02
out by Bing and chat GPT do they just go okay I'll take the top one go to Best Buy and buy it and just take yeah pick
00:46:08
the one that's in their price range or do they research a little more I feel I don't know what regular people do I
00:46:13
agree I don't like we it's like monkey at the keyboard right you have to assume they do the least amount of work
00:46:18
possible Twitter literally had to implement something a few years ago where if you tried to retweet an article
00:46:25
without clicking into it it said are you sure you want to retweet this because they know how many people are yeah
00:46:30
reading a headline and that's the gospel after yeah so like why wouldn't you just say hey Chad GPT what are the top 10
00:46:37
best TVs and like it might go a little further like give me one in uh around the closest to 300 and one that's got
00:46:45
free shipping like it'll narrow it down why would you ever go to a link after that like yeah I also want to say a
00:46:51
really strange potentially existential problem and recursive problem is that the the chat bot has to create context
00:47:00
based on web pages right but if traffic stops going to those web pages and Publishers become less likely to publish yeah I mean like you stop getting
00:47:12
traffic you stop publishing content about that thing then the chatbot's not gonna work it's a recursive problem it's
00:47:19
like these Publishers are not going to publish free content if they don't get clicks on it yeah if the primary source
00:47:26
of your traffic and the reason you publish things is because you get search volume and clicks from that then your
00:47:31
incentive goes away and you stop making the stuff yeah so hopefully you have a different incentive like you have
00:47:37
subscribers or something this is I was like I was picturing the YouTube version of this which is like we make YouTube videos let's say I go to YouTube and I
00:47:43
say what's the best smartphone Samsung makes right now yeah and it just says Galaxy s23 Ultra at the top and like
00:47:49
gives you a little summary a lot of people won't watch the video right they probably wouldn't click into
00:47:55
watching our videos so our incentive goes down at least yeah I think it's not crazy we have entertainment about like
00:48:01
YouTube has entertainment value so I think it's a little tougher and not to say that there is an entertainment value in text there clearly is but like I
00:48:09
think in a lot of those situations where you're trying to find something fast but like the main thing I think of is wire cutter why would wire cutter ever exist
00:48:15
God you're right wire cutters basically just like yeah they survive on affiliate links yeah we are a place that does a
00:48:22
ton of testing just to tell you a list yeah and now you are never going to go to my website ever again yeah like if
00:48:28
chat GPT or Bing whatever just says like well wirecutter's favorite lawnmower is this and you go by a great Point yeah
00:48:35
wow this is all sitting on the back of the fact that the internet went a certain way where it was completely free
00:48:40
and the ad Market had to run the internet because this is this is like the whole like web 3 like thing that
00:48:48
they like to pair it is that the internet could have gone the direction where pre previously you bought a newspaper for a dollar you bought a
00:48:55
magazine and so to access content on any website you'd have to pay micro transactions right to read an article
00:49:01
like that's the same thing as buying a newspaper paywall and it's just because everything became free which I think is
00:49:07
fantastic because like more power more information to everybody is like better but because of that it has to be paid
00:49:13
for somehow and as they're paying for it so now we're seeing this like potentially scary situation where at
00:49:19
upending the ad model yeah and the ad models of what allows Publishers to publish for free yeah yeah if you were
00:49:26
still on Android authority right now seeing this coming out would you be like a little worried
00:49:32
um well I guess if I was running the website probably okay sure well but even like you're at the website now the person who's running it is worried and now that person has to pay you and I put
00:49:44
a ton of work into like the reviews written reviews and if you just ask chat DBT like how good is the OnePlus 8 yeah
00:49:51
it has to pull from somewhere yeah from what we put together yeah it pulls from Android authority Android Central and
00:49:56
XDA Developers and then it just puts it on the side so I guess does it really just come down to entertainment value like the difference between surviving in
00:50:03
this new model and not surviving is is there a reason to view your content other than just the the headline list it's hard because I I think that's a big
00:50:15
part of it like I I go to the verge every single day I read almost every single article that they put out and a
00:50:21
lot of it does have to do with like the way it's written and contextualized yeah um it would be worse if there was like a
00:50:29
version of this Bing chat GPT thing where you could just be like oh tell me about I guess you could do this like
00:50:35
tell me about the new Asus monitor and it just like pulls all of the written information tell me about the new Asus
00:50:41
monitor and the style of a David review something you didn't even review it's like here I got you yeah gpt's got you I do think um like loyalty and trustworthiness will still play a role
00:50:53
here so like maybe you're not a video like uh entertainment value but if you've been following someone who's reviewing stuff or just doing ranking lists and you've used those lists before
00:51:05
to to like your uh benefit like then you would probably stick with that than asking chat gbt things yeah in that sector but how many sectors are there how many like if you maybe trust
00:51:17
somebody for uh TV recommendations when you're looking for a recipe you might be like oh I don't really care so much I'm
00:51:23
gonna let this do a recipe instead it definitely becomes the secondary which is like most people most of the time
00:51:29
will just ask the chat bot the question and then secondary is some people will go oh let me dig through the links
00:51:34
because there's a guy I like who I think made a list that I trust yeah uh and I trustworthiness also comes down to the
00:51:42
biggest AI question in my opinion which is uh these chatbots don't know if what they're saying is a true statement or not it's just reference it's referencing it's compiling sentences or paragraphs
00:51:55
based on what it's read but it doesn't know if what it pulled from or what it's saying is real or not yeah again fairly
00:52:02
inconsequent so when it's give me a banana bread recipe right maybe even not that income sequential if you just go
00:52:10
show me the top 10 TVs right it'll it'll pull from a bunch and it'll just say here's the top 10 TVs maybe it's missing
00:52:16
one of the better TVs oh okay well you'll probably still get a decent one but um oh there's no uh I put this in
00:52:22
the waveform slack uh sometimes it'll just lie so one of the one of the funny things is in a
00:52:28
literal Google like copy promoting so Bard is like the the newest version of what they're doing powered by Lambda which is like this you know conversation chat on top of search same idea and it's
00:52:41
like somebody asked what are some new discoveries from the James Webb Space Telescope and Google's answer is it
00:52:47
spotted a number of galaxies it did a couple of these things it sees deep into the universe and the last bullet point is jwst took the very first pictures of
00:52:54
a planet outside of her own solar system no it didn't it just didn't that's just not true yeah but it probably pulled
00:53:00
that combination of words from something and decided to spit that out yeah so I guess you're kind of cringing at the banana recipes you were saying it's not consequential but let's come on man
00:53:12
that's a lot of time or like what if you're allergic to something so you go give me a recipe for this
00:53:18
thing by the way I'm allergic to this and I'm a vegetarian and it gives you a recipe and you make it and somehow you
00:53:25
don't realize that you put in the thing that you're allergic to like yeah that sounds crazy but it might be like a seasoning or something that like does
00:53:31
have tree nuts in it or whatever and it doesn't notice that and now I mean you should do more research but we can all
00:53:37
agree here that people are not going to do that in a lot of scenarios here's the thing is like Microsoft throughout this
00:53:43
entire event made so many like references they were just over and over like do your own research just so you know
00:53:49
like you really should be doing your own research like don't take everything for granted they had like an AI ethics
00:53:54
session after the event to like get people to understand like and they they said over and over and over again we've
00:54:00
been working at this very slowly since we started thinking about it in like 2017 about how do we do this without
00:54:07
potentially just spreading misinformation like crazy um but kind of interesting thing is that
00:54:14
like people generally still believe the first thing that they see on the internet so it's not necessarily that
00:54:19
different it's just the fact that there's now these AI models that are known to hallucinate and create
00:54:25
misinformation by accident uh and then that's a good word yeah and then people don't really understand it's another variable which is like in the sense of misinformation depending on what it is
00:54:36
one more variable could be catastrophic I mean like it's not good it's it's not good to have one extra thing that could be starting to spread stuff like that yeah it's kind of terrifying honestly uh
00:54:48
what's cool about it though is uh oh yeah an upside yeah uh chat GPT uh it was a model that was specifically trained and it had an end date that that data was trained on so it can't tell you
00:55:00
about stuff that has been released or written about after a certain date it says my model was created on this date
00:55:06
so I only have information up to this date but what Bings Chat jbt thing is doing is I I asked on Twitter like what
00:55:13
how this is working because retraining a model that rapidly would be insanely computationally expensive and also I don't even know if you can train a model as new links are propagating throughout
00:55:25
the internet um what someone said is they think that the the model is able to search the web
00:55:31
and then take what it finds and then contextualize it okay so I mean that's cool that's
00:55:38
impressive it still does have to rely on being up to date because so much of what people search I'm gonna say Google but
00:55:44
whatever because search online is like recent like if someone if some news came out someone just died some event some
00:55:50
earthquake just happened something happened if you Google it or look it up and it starts telling you things that
00:55:56
are out of date right that's not great yeah so that's so it can be able to pull new information a lot of people at the event were testing on the demo units they had like what did Microsoft
00:56:07
announce on February 7th and did it and it did it yeah it just waved me um interesting yes so and then um there's also a new edge browser right and I actually think that the AI
00:56:23
features in the edge browser are potentially more useful than the search stuff um there's a really cool thing where you
00:56:30
can ask it to summarize a web page or a document that you're looking at and you can ask questions about its content so
00:56:36
like one of the examples that they gave was like this 32 page Gap Inc earnings report or something that's just incredibly long yeah not trying to read that and you just you're using Edge and
00:56:48
you use this copilot feature and you just like just say like can you summarize this document for me and it
00:56:53
says like Gap reported net sales of 4.4 billion up 2 compared to last year in comparable sales for up one percent year
00:57:00
over year Gap being recorded gross margin of this so you don't have to read 32 pages of like jargons these days have
00:57:05
no idea how hard it was to do a research paper yeah this is like the intense irony of this right is that someone went
00:57:12
through the effort of like making this huge thing just so someone can like take the bullet points out of it yeah and it's like are we just eventually just we can gonna become reductionist and make
00:57:24
everything bullet points which is not necessarily a bad thing because that's what we're doing anyway we're like throwing away the jargon yeah Satya kind
00:57:30
of mentioned a little bit of this in that decoder interview which is like in the process of going through and reading
00:57:38
the summary and like putting together something using AI tools you actually learn a lot about the source material
00:57:43
because you're diving in and doing the work of summarizing it and then you don't do that anymore so it's potentially not awful it's not the it's
00:57:51
not like you're completely stopping that process it's just a very different way of doing it like if I when I was in college wow I sound old saying that but
00:57:57
like you have to actually read the report right the whole thing like one of the ways that I learn things is by doing
00:58:05
research and fact checking right and that's how you learn a thing is by going through multiple links and making sure
00:58:11
that the first thing that you read wasn't the only source of information that you're paying attention and being
00:58:16
critical about like how do I know what I just read is true right do I trust this Source on this topic yeah what is their
00:58:23
source is this a primary source or not like all that information goes into your human decision about to trust it or not
00:58:28
yeah and I don't know how much of that decision making gets translated into the AI version of like here's your bullet points yeah The Edge summary thing though I think is quite cool I immediately looking at that
00:58:40
not a summary but that would be so awesome in like a uh like a PDF user manual that's probably like 150 pages and there's something like very specific you have to find in there we're just you
00:58:52
know now when you do it you're like Ctrl F light you want to see what like three blinking red lights does so you control
00:58:59
F light but that's in the page 200 times so now you have to scroll through that it's like pull it up on the side it's
00:59:05
like what happens when there's three blinking lights on the front like right finding that yeah because it understands
00:59:11
the context of even if it says like error code three lights blinking like it understands what that is and it can just
00:59:17
tell you in regular English yeah like what to do yeah that'd be super that'd be super do we want to say a couple of
00:59:22
the we've been very critical of it I think rightfully so there are some really cool examples they did I I have
00:59:29
one specifically I thought was really neat they did um essentially and people were doing this with chat GPD with like workout plans or meal plans so they asked it to write a one week meal plan
00:59:41
their vegetarian allergic to tree nuts and it wrote the meal plan for every single day you take that say okay and
00:59:48
then you can say now turn that into a grocery list divided by like categories of food so it can say all right well you're eating like this many things in produce so these will all be in the
00:59:59
produce aisle for this week these will all be in the dairy aisle these so like if that comes up with a good enough
01:00:07
result for you like yeah that is incredible that's so nice I almost feel like every one of these is going to have a a category every category is going to have a subgroup that's like that's not
01:00:19
good enough where it's the people who are already like yes professionals and things like that where like actually if you're gonna
01:00:25
make a meal plan around this you should avoid this common misconception and it's in there and you should get rid of it it's like when someone asks for the top
01:00:31
10 TVs or smartphones like most people just go oh yeah okay that's cool yeah I get to just pick from this list where
01:00:37
this subsection of like us people at the table or like people who review these things are like actually these are all
01:00:43
about to be outdated because oled's right around the corner and you're looking at all the best LCD TVs from the past 10 years context and it's like how
01:00:50
how do you get these to be good yeah and and then that's just gonna take time I guess do you think and I don't know if
01:00:57
they said anything about it but the whole point of this is you ask it a question and then based on the answer all your following questions are
01:01:03
relative right is there any way to edit the so let's say I asked for the meal plan and I
01:01:08
didn't like Wednesday's dinner could I imagine going in there and editing Wednesday's dinner but now still
01:01:14
continuing to ask at the rest of the things that are beneficial relatively so it's like well now find me the grocery list from that but I didn't want the
01:01:21
original thing you asked me I feel like it's kind of good at that already like if you ask chatgpt for the top five or something and you say number four is
01:01:27
wrong it'll go oh can you replace that with a a chicken dish or something like that I think that probably if it's not
01:01:34
already there it probably wouldn't yeah I think it's cool yeah that seems really nice yeah because Transformer models have memory so that's like yeah I guess
01:01:41
you would you wouldn't edit it you would ask it to edit it yeah yeah you would you you top you'd be like I don't like
01:01:46
Wednesdays because it has this thing I don't like and we go okay I've changed Wednesday and then you go okay now give
01:01:51
me the list to shop for right okay it's kind of cool it would be nice if it was continuous though like if on Wednesday
01:01:56
you had the dinner and then on Thursday you're like I didn't really like last night's dinner can you give me the same toilet remembers yeah oh now we're just
01:02:03
approaching like just never close the tab yeah don't say those words don't say that
01:02:09
that's like artificial general intelligence basically yeah um but there's one other feature in the edge
01:02:15
browser as well also you can ask questions about the contents of the document after you summarize it which is
01:02:20
kind of cool and it tells you in natural language um but they can there's also a compose function with an edge that will act as a
01:02:27
writing assistant to help you send emails or social media posts based on like a few prompts that you give it I'm
01:02:33
sure this is a cool job yeah this is going to be added to Outlook very soon I'm sure yeah but it's kind of cool that
01:02:39
you could go in Gmail in Edge and you could just be like write Marquez an email that says that
01:02:46
I want to give me a reason to miss work tomorrow yeah give me a great excuse yeah you're the boss yeah yeah I love how it's a LinkedIn
01:02:57
example because like I feel like that would be super easy there's like 10 things about how to grow your business
01:03:02
10x and five simple steps and that's all it needs to shove into a Lincoln poster now
01:03:08
there's gonna be better than that and then they're going to be summarized by Ai and just summarized over and over
01:03:14
again by themselves yeah a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy which just transcends into chaos well look this is
01:03:21
it's it's really interesting to keep an eye on this stuff obviously Microsoft shipping some stuff soon Google adding
01:03:28
to what they're doing soon so like hopefully we can get our hands on this like new Bing which is kind of like what
01:03:34
we're calling it I want it like I think we can tell that this is pivotal because of how many times you said
01:03:40
newbing with like a smile on your face and like it's and like looking forward to it I think that is an example in
01:03:46
itself it's just how many they should have just rebranded it they should have when they rebranded Internet Explorer to Edge it actually like really really
01:03:53
helped its brand identity yeah and people are like yeah I actually Edge is pretty good yeah but no one would have
01:03:58
ever been like I'm not gonna eat yeah there's gonna be like I'm gonna use Internet Explorer is the baggage with being as heavy as Internet Explorer I
01:04:05
think so really I think Bing's worse than Internet Explorer really I think Internet Explorer had the worst brand it
01:04:11
had I think Bing has a pretty terrible you new Internet Explorer people don't know Bing
01:04:17
that's yeah yeah okay somebody asked at the event why didn't you just Rebrand Bing to something new
01:04:23
yeah yeah and they were like we love the Bing brand and I was like who is we it's just oh clippy overlords like keep the name yeah why didn't they just make this clippy come on man clippy had a
01:04:36
good brand yeah he had a good brand yeah well I guess I'm happy for now that the difference between us being
01:04:42
existentially worried about the future of our business and not is the fact that our videos are kind of entertaining
01:04:47
which is cool yeah even though that's something I'm sure they'll just start synthesizing interesting 30 second Clips
01:04:53
at the top of search instead of having to watch our whole review but until then we're great yeah we're good at this uh
01:05:00
yeah yeah this is pretty cool though because it's like the very beginning of what is about to be a lot like what was
01:05:07
kind of funny there was that Google event in Paris today where they basically just officially announced Bard which is their chat jbt competitor yeah
01:05:14
and obviously they're going to be integrating um like that kind of function into search at some point and some level
01:05:20
whether they do it the same way as Microsoft is doing I have no idea but uh what was funny is in The Verge
01:05:26
article that was summarizing the Google event they were like oh yeah Google showed off Bard but integrated AI chat
01:05:33
is is still weeks away and I was like well weeks is not that long yeah that's not that long that's a snap of
01:05:39
the fingers like we're starting this AI War stuff and it's gonna start moving really freaking fast yeah so there's an
01:05:45
Apple employee only event next week also AI based I think it's like normally yearly I think it's different because
01:05:52
this year they're going back in person again yeah and also streaming but like great timing all around the same time good timing I'm sure they're looking
01:05:59
into heavy use of this kind of stuff too so um yeah the day Apple decides to make a search engine
01:06:06
we'll check it out yeah we'll check it out we'll see this series is pretty bad so maybe it'll be awful yeah but yeah
01:06:11
this is the beginning of a lot I think uh I think it might be worth the main Channel video I'm super interested in the topic maybe let us know in the
01:06:17
comments if you want to see a bigger more structured video on AI that might be something we end up doing
01:06:24
um but until then I think that's been it for now we'll keep an eye on all the stuff as it evolves
01:06:30
but uh I think it's now time to go back to the future or forward forward to the Past yes where we did the trivia answers back to the past back to the past
01:06:41
anyway okay well this is fun uh we'll definitely be back next week with another episode with lots of fun stuff
01:06:47
we do have to to do the trivia answers as promised at the end as far as I can tell if they're not even Tech questions so I probably won't even write anything down but let's let's try anyway
01:06:58
oh yeah we have one Tech question okay we have we have a tech question and a non-tech question the other one's
01:07:04
multiple choice so you have a 25 and it was user generated or user requested yeah Fair don't come for My Boy George G
01:07:10
like this I say for the multiple choice we each pick a different answer oh all right we all have literally no idea I have no no clue let's get the first one yeah listen to the types of mud so yeah
01:07:24
it wasn't mine okay same thing first question when was bite dance founded the shot in the dark we can do a closest
01:07:38
year wins for this I also will take extra points for the exact day if you get it what so one point for the year two points if you get the day like the month and date
01:07:50
that one point for the year two points for the month three points for the day okay wait but the month of day only count if you get the year correct right yes yes all right all right flip them
01:08:03
and read them boys I said 2006. we were very evenly spread out 2010 I said 2015.
01:08:11
nice no one got it good spread the closest was Andrew the correct the correct date was March 13th 2012. that's when bite dance was founded wow
01:08:23
did did bite dance own musically no they bought them they bought they exactly okay perfectly named
01:08:30
if you ran bite dance of course you would buy musically right yeah for the dance music but the musically thing was a
01:08:38
um it was a acapella what is that called it was like karaoke and but your singers
01:08:44
dance along it was dancing it was exactly like original Tick Tock was yeah it was like lip syncing it wasn't it was
01:08:50
lip syncing yeah yeah and it turned in Tech talk but like tick tock's not really lip syncing and acapella I'm sorry some of it is still lip syncing
01:08:57
really but musically had a lot of features that uh were like specific to lip syncing like it like there was yeah the whole it was built around that yeah specifically yeah yeah anyway on to the
01:09:09
real important stuff yeah uh inspired by the question from George G can we please have more agricultural
01:09:16
slash Orchard based trivia I'm sorry I couldn't come through in the orchard half but hopefully this satisfies the
01:09:22
agricultural half of your request mung beans made up not made up real Bean mung beans
01:09:30
prefer which kind of soil a silty soil the sandy soil clay soil or D Lo me soil I yeah I'm gonna learn
01:09:49
something right now that's all I can tell you maybe you guys both learned what mung beans were not even really
01:09:56
all right I was gonna write that okay I said a um me too I said d that is correct
01:10:09
what we found is uh you can have so low me soil for those that may not know is a
01:10:15
combination of silt sand and clay soils in one and it's the one most commonly used for agricultural so we're all
01:10:22
purposes no it's one of those all the above answers I don't know however I would have
01:10:28
accepted b as an answer because mung beans are can tolerate a higher amount of sand in their loam
01:10:36
foreign Tech podcasts on Apple podcast yeah this is too much pressure we gotta get out of here all right so to answer George G can we please have more
01:10:55
agricultural Orchard trivia no probably not I'm sorry that's it sorry that was all we needed at least I got points
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