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[Music] what is good everybody welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today
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we've got a couple moves and shakeups in the ev industry that i really want to talk about
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we also have a new nintendo switch and we're also going to talk about ipad os 15 but first andrew's back
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welcome bam i feel like i should be ripping my face off to show david's face trademark intro is pretty impressive uh
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he he likes to appear for his intro on the podcast but we got andrew back what was that what was your last week
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like i saw some crazy pictures you took i probably had like one of the crazier weeks of my life last week
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because i i started off by friday we closed on a house which is my first time buying a house
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which is like thank you thank you crazy and then before even getting to move in i we immediately
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left the next morning for yosemite which was i don't think i can even like start to
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explain how beautiful it was it was the craziest park i've ever been to just these like sheer granite walls that pop out of
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nowhere yeah altitude we hiked 66 miles in six days so averaged over 10 a day i was exhausted
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um yeah it was it was amazing but like if i want to tie some tech into here of course i did something that yeah how
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did you bring tech to yosemite national park um so i've talked previously about bringing different cameras to parks and
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what i think is the best i think i've kind of landed on like the a 6300 body being that perfect
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like size for and like form factor of bringing with you on long hikes while still taking like super high quality
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photos um i i think a phone is probably almost your next best bet and they were uh i'll explain in a second but i brought this time the fuji x100 mark v i believe it was
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um never used fuji before it's very new to me david and brandon taught me a few things
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before going out like color profiles and i was messing around with them and it took some crazy photos like really really good
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photos i posted them on twitter um i do have to say though as much fun as it was what's cool is it's you know fixed lens i don't have to bring lenses with me like those
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like really add up we were it was about 100 degrees out there so i was bringing had a three liter bladder of water and
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two water bottles and i was finishing that every day yeah um so having that little nice light
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camera was really nice and like i said it took great pictures fixed lens no lenses awesome
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my biggest issue with it was someone else in our group had an a6300 and every time i grabbed
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their camera to take pictures of them the autofocus was just so nice and easy and simple and just nailed literally everything and then i would go back to the fuji and yeah the fuji
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autofocus is not as fast it's not made to be fast so yeah interesting i think my biggest issue with it was i
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really enjoyed looking through the viewfinder because of how bright it was and i would tap to focus on the screen in
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the area i knew i was about to frame where i wanted focus and when i lift it up to my eye either my like cheek or my nose would touch the
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screen and throw the auto focus on something else and every time i would pick it up it
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would just like be looking like the top right corner or something like that for focus so i was trying to mess around with a
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couple different of the autofocus settings and nothing ever quite nailed what i wanted i'm sure a
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lot of people will be really upset that i'm like using autofocus but yeah you're gonna say it's you know you're taking a lot of pictures
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of rocks and trees and stuff that's not moving around too fast it's not moving but my thing is is like
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because the park is so big it's really hard to get scale so the majority of pictures i thought looked really good had people in them so i was
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trying to catch a lot of candid photos so it was like we were moving pretty fast because you were out for six or seven hours at a
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time and you just want to like pull it up snap the photo and just get it so yeah
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so i missed the sony having the like one by one comparison switching to the other one yeah made me just really really
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appreciate it and made me i think solidify my favorite hiking camera is like a six
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the 6000 series yeah i went on i probably told this before but i went on a hike once with the
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hasselblad x1d and the 45. and it's like it is their smallest mirrorless camera but it's a
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hasselblad so it was just big clunky weight and the slowest possible focus and i'm like i'm trying to just
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take a quick picture and then move on with the hike but like it's not a quick camera so i would not
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recommend anywhere near that camera for a hike yeah it's not i'll always remember i took a video of you once trying to get
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a picture of a bee up on the roof with the hasselblad when we first got it it was not easy
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also because the plane of focus is like oh my goodness oh yeah the diameter of a bee it's pretty tough yeah
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and you're like when you're doing the really really shallow depth of field and you're like if you're out on a hike and it's bright
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it's hard to see the screen you're like oh nailed that and then you get back in and if you miss your that photos sucks
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you gotta go back out eight miles and we gotta go backpacking tomorrow man so yeah it was it was a ton of fun but i'm
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also glad to be back yeah glad to have you back thank you okay nintendo switch oled edition or whatever they're calling
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it new product is out um it's it seems like actually a pretty nice upgrade i just i'm not a switch
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user i've used the playstations and the xboxes i've used my computers my mobile devices for gaming not a big
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switch gamer can you tell me if these upgrades for the switch are actually worth what looks like a
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what is it a 50 increase in price i think it is yeah how does it look okay i will say it looks like it is
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worth the price but not worth the upgrade if that makes sense so if you already have a switch
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you probably you shouldn't get this okay i wouldn't or i personally wouldn't i don't think the upgrade is enough
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so here's the thing it's an oled screen it's a little bigger it goes from 6.2 to 7 inches the thing is is it's still 720 when
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you're using it and although you get a new dock it's still only 1080 when you put it onto your tv so i think
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i have seen a lot of rumors about a switch pro or something like that which if you're gonna name something pro obviously
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you're not doing professional gaming on a nintendo switch but the word pro uh sort of implies a
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couple things like probably 4k output from the dock and maybe higher than a 720p
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screen you'd want at least 1080 maybe high refresh or something uh but it seems like the switch audience really doesn't care about that type of stuff switch it switch is definitely
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interesting because most of nintendo games are like super cartoony and it doesn't really matter as much but i don't think
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anyone would complain if they still had 4k mario kart or 4k mario party or anything like that
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um i know i would be amped about it and there were rumors saying that they were gonna use some new nvidia chip i believe that
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would have 4k output through the dock um but that this is not it so that makes me
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think first of all switch oled is like the dumbest name yeah that's that's as far as we know at
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least um but that just feels kind of weird they had to switch light which is at 199 the regular switch is at
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299. this is at 350 so i do think paying an extra 50 bucks for a slightly bigger screen oled obviously has its advantages like it's still going to look nicer despite still being 720
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um and then the dock is a little different there's a white version it has ethernet on it which i
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think is huge because before you had to use an adapter and just said usb you're right yeah yeah um
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which that's annoying like most people probably use their switch on wi-fi which if you're downloading a huge game that
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takes forever potentially um and it has like some small things like they said improved audio for tabletop stuff it
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seems like they're trying they're definitely trying to say like this new oled screen is better for the people who use it on the tabletop
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i've never been one of those people it's just it seems just like a little nicer switch yeah it's a little bit of a nice
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50 bucks more that's not bad it makes you don't have one already right um i kind of think the coolest
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thing about this potentially we haven't seen it yet is the switch price might go down which would be awesome imagine a switch
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at 250. um i think what works great about that is to me the switch is like a secondary gaming
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console i think if you are a if you're strictly into consoles playstation xbox are the way to go
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if you are like me i'm a pc gamer and to me the switch is like i have friends over or i just want to
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lay down on the couch quickly but i don't want to spend playstation money right so like a lot of
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nintendo's games are much more casual i can sit down i can play mario kart i don't have to get super into it and slam
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my keyboard and controller or anything like that like that's why it's great to me a secondary console and as a secondary
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console cheaper price is always better and i don't care if it has 4k then exactly yeah the most the most fun i've
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ever had with a switch was also the most the same place that i've had the most fun with an ipad which is
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on a plane oh yeah or like in the back of a car like in in some sort of transport situation where you have a
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very small space then like a switch is nice because it's a small like it doesn't take up too much your
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lap same deal with like a smaller ipad even like a bigger ipad it's kind of nice so uh
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yeah you know obviously an ipad is much more expensive so you get a couple games you like and the switch
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can be a much better bargain than buying an ipad and getting some games for it so and the other huge thing about switch is like what makes it the
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most fun is the multiplayer aspect of it and a lot of that has to do with if other people have switches so like especially
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with tabletop stuff they do a lot of different features where if you have multiple switches folded out on a table
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they can connect to each other and you can play different games so putting that at a lower price just makes that way more accessible and able
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to use those features way more often so i i mean i know this was a storyline about the oled switch
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but i feel like it if the switch price goes down that's the biggest story here yeah i have a hot take
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yeah every company is pretty bad in some way with naming and nintendo just proved it with this
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one yeah it's a rough one so first of all this is called the nintendo switch oled
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which by itself is like not the worst you get what nintendo switch is this is the oled version of it really
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it's just like a bigger nicer screen with some extra features but remember when the switch light came out and it doesn't you can't take the
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joy content off which means it doesn't strictly portable it doesn't switch into anything oh it's not the whole
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point of never quit right it's a switch the whole point of switch was like i can take it off the
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dock and play handheld or i can switch it into the dock take the joy cons off and play it on a tv
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that's what a switch is and this switch light didn't let you do that at all so it didn't really let you switch and they just kept
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the same name i'm so embarrassed that that i've never i'm just together yeah every every company has something
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dumb like this every company no exceptions that's my hot take here's uh my here's my suggestion for what they
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should have called this i just thought of this okay although for one reason it doesn't work is because you can also get the new dock in white
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so this doesn't help with me but switch black switch i was gonna say switch plus but why black okay
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so it's just a small naming change it doesn't really imply that much has changed but what's the biggest benefit of oled
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black blacks yeah it's a bigger screen it's a it's just a little bit more i feel like everyone gets what plus is and that's why i would have said plus like i think people might care about the
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bigger screen more than the fact that it's oled i mean the lcd is not that great what i also haven't confirmed yet is if
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it does say it does work with other switch accessories like joycon but i can't tell if the footprint's any different
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because the screen is bigger i don't know if it just means the bezels are smaller and therefore it's the same exact footprint i
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don't think so yeah um okay but you might have to use the new dock for it it comes to the dock anyways so i don't see
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why that would make any difference um yeah yeah switch plus there's my i still switch black i was pretty proud of that i'm kind of excited
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i think yeah um all right speaking of weirdly named products the tycan turbo which doesn't have any turbos that's a
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good segway market that was pretty sad i'll give you that thank you uh so porsche recalled tycans over a
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sudden power loss problem this is a headline i just saw this past week uh with porsche recalling
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it's eevee with a small number of cars reporting a power loss problem which is obviously a big problem and also the audi e-tron gt which is built on the same architecture also had a small number of
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those problems so they're also going to be recalling um but yeah the the article just kind of reads like
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there's a small number of issues and drivers reported this problem for a long time and they've been
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aware of it and trying to fix it and now you can bring it in to a porsche dealership and they will have to do a 16
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to 90 minute software update to fix this thing and give your car back uh so essentially what's happening is the um there's a smaller 12-volt battery in there that's specifically made to
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keep everything keep parts of the car on when the car is turned off yeah that sounds kind of weird all the
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accessories and stuff yeah and the huge battery pack of the car drives the car there's a much smaller battery
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like every car has a small battery to run the instrument cluster and the always on the internet connection yeah
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exactly and make sure like you know you're you can unlock your car when it's turned off or else you'd never be able to get in and
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what was happening was if that battery died at any point some so i guess if it got low enough and then you started driving and it died while you were driving it which in some cases shut off the larger
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battery pack wow so you're just now you just had nothing and i mean this sounds not that different from like do you remember when you had you had steering issues but that's still something powering off while you're
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driving and yeah anything powering off while you're driving is terrific it's not great um yeah i've had power steering
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i once knocked my keys in my car going down a hill and and turned the car off and lost power
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steering and like had to go down a hill without it and it was terrifying yeah yeah you never want that especially when
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it's an easily fixable bug so i'm glad they're fixing it uh it says porsche sold around 43 000
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ticans which is maybe the most interesting i think i learned from this article because i'm trying to think about all the scale and size of all these
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different competitors and evs um and they claim it only affects a very small number of users and i
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i believe that because this is the first time i'm hearing about it yeah um yeah new newer cars being manufactured
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we'll have the software update already yeah i won't have the problem i always think like what if this issue had happened to a different company like
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if you reframe this headline uh insert company here is recalling their car over a sudden power loss
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problem obviously if you replace tesla with that it's a huge headline what if you replace like ford and some
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random like hundred thousand dollar ford what is it what are you saying an ev one or like any any any random ford car like does
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anybody even care does it even make headlines at all do you know what's happening is like right
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now evie is clearly the thing i do remember a long time do you remember man this was very i remember doing a
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current event in like fifth grade about this do you remember firestone tires having a huge issue
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like i fee i do feel like at certain points when there are things that affect driving which is like
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as safe as it is is also something that's always kind of skirting the line of death which is kind of terrifying but like
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when anything happens when things are drivers it generally makes some headline i think eevee though definitely will
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always be the bigger headline these days because it's more new it's more i hate to say it but there's
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clearly more like fear-mongering based on it because people don't want to switch tv yet yeah it has the most
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skepticism too right like people don't know about evs in a lot of places so when
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they're looking into or learning about evs they're trying to figure out okay well seems like there's these pros what are
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the cons what's the catch like let me figure out what evs are all about so headlines about the most popular evs
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are the most popular headlines yeah uh happens all the time i think like you said with porsche right now
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people who are buying take-ins probably have hopefully decent income and they're kind of like they're willing to take that step into eevee a little more whereas if this
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sort of happens at f-150 right out the gate i think it would be very detrimental to
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a lot of people switching to ebay talking about the lightning yeah yeah definitely i see that affecting
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more people that's one where like i i shouldn't give any company benefit of the doubt in anything i should always just use it and review it but i feel like the f-150 lightning
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is maybe the best example of an ev that a company can't afford to screw up oh for sure i
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mean like they're aware of that they've told us that forward and we'll talk more about like transitioning to evs as companies later but
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ford really wants to make a great electric f-150 because they've attached the name
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to it because they've attached this heritage to it and they're they're banking on people buying it and
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switching and starting this thing where they can eventually sell more and more electric cars and be the company that successfully transitions
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uh so their first one having any sort of issues they're gonna be doubling down right they're gonna be on top of it they're gonna make sure
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um that they don't have any of these problems so you know i hope to see it turn out that
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way i hope they don't have any problems but yeah as far as giving benefit of the doubt i feel like that's one where we really
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expect to see ford go all out so that's i'm looking forward to that for sure uh all right let's take a quick break we
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got to come back and talk about canada banning gas cars this episode of waveform is brought to you by mini cooper se so you may or may not know since i try
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to be subtle about it but i do enjoy electric cars i've talked about them a bit so the mini cooper se
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is charged for the city and ready to spark up your drive so we've spoken about the usefulness of evs compared to
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others on the podcast before and i think this is one that actually takes the cake it's a zippy car designed to be as stylish as the city
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you drive in unlike other evs the mini cooper sc doesn't look like it's out of a sci-fi movie it still maintains its classic
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design and won't look out of place driving through the streets in new york so driving the mini cooper sc was surprisingly comfortable
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it's a mini but it handles like a mini it's like a little go-kart and yet i was surprised andrew and i
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both could fit in the front seats no problem like pretty comfortably actually like we're
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we are not sure we i'm like i'm out of frame right now we this not every car not every car so that was good to see um get up to an 80 charge in just 35
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minutes with fast charging at level 3 dc charging stations or just charge overnight at your home with basic ac charging as well
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plus the electric digital instrument cluster inside puts all the important things right at your fingertips
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it's a unique looking circular touchscreen display that makes listening to your favorite music or podcasts in the morning commute
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as simple as can be plus the light around the screen i thought that was pretty cool it moves with the dials as you turn them
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to adjust the volume or to adjust your ac speed that was pretty cool and i have to say it was pretty
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refreshing having actual knobs to adjust some settings they're nice too yeah little metal knobs which is cool so
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if you're in the market for a compact stylish quick little car to get around the city then it's worth checking out the mini cooper se
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to see if it's right for you all right welcome back we got to talk about this new headline
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there is a lot actually to unpack in this one very dense headline so i'm going to just read the headline
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and then we can break it down yeah so here's the headline canada to ban sale of new fuel-powered cars and light
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trucks from 2035. okay so canada's putting their foot down they're saying no more gas cars and light truck sales in canada starting in 2035 so that's
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what 14 years from now yeah it's not that far away so there's a lot there's a lot there's a lot here um
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let's start with canada for sure shout out to canada lots of great canadian friends
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on the internet um yeah there's not a lot there's not a lot of countries that will just outright ban something as a whole like
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that but canada is one of them and they'll do that i feel like they're neighbors down here in the u.s it would never happen that way but there's lots of lots
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of companies you will see building up to committing to evs exactly like ford or audi or whoever will say we're
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going to offer a bunch of evs by this date and it's kind of just up to how committed they want to be or
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how far they think they can get um so canada's just straight up saying like as a
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committing to the environment like we will not have any more sales of of gas cars
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so that brings us to the second thing banning sales yes because we have to double check on
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this they're not banning the manufacture of certain things you're still allowed to uh manufacture gas cars
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anywhere you'll still be allowed to have all the same economics but starting when this takes place in 2035
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um you will not be able to buy a new gas car or light truck in 2035. so that's one
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thing even there i'm trying to figure out i didn't see it in the article but i'm assuming it's new i'm assuming yes
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they're not going to destroy new oh it does say okay yeah so you will you will i guess be able to buy
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a used gas car because it was already made you can buy someone else's car from someone
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but as far as manufacturers that are selling their new cars in canada if they want to sell any car in canada
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it cannot be fuel powered yeah that's basically has zero emissions yeah so if you're a toyota
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and you want to ship cars over to north america you better have an electric version to sell to canada otherwise
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you're not selling any to any canadians yeah basically guess the only other there's like is hydrogen powered still
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like really a thing we haven't uh it just has to have zero emissions like sure we're going to say eevee for
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the rest of this because that's what we assume there could be some crazy new ideas
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you never know but it just has to be zero emissions for the sake of clearly protecting climate change that's
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safe okay then the next is actually kind of key cars and light trucks and i think that's
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that's something to take note of because i i had to look up the definition of light trucks and that includes like obviously
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the f-150s of the world but also like lots of other trucks people use for work yeah that loops those in too so it's not
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just recreational cars people are buying it's also when people are forced to upgrade their fleets of trucks
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for their light duty you know construction or whatever jobs there are going to have to start to buy electric versions by 2035 so that loops in
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light trucks as well i wonder how intense that gets because like my guess so the first thing i think of
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when i think light truck i think of a truck that doesn't have to tow pretty much um and and like i totally
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get that because i don't think we're at the mileage in evs or you know maybe we will be in 14 years but it's hard to make
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that pledge now towing is the big thing that i do think probably gas cars are benefiting in now
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because when you have to tow things at a certain time in a certain time period like that charging does actually add up
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so i'm assuming that's why it says light trucks i don't know where that lands in the fleet section though how
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many loopholes there will be of people being like you know yeah i just have a smaller f-150 but i tow stuff so i need a
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gas-powered so i feel like that brings me to the last part of the headline which is 2035. yeah there will be different leadership
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probably by 2035. there will be lots of advancements in tech by 2035 there will just be a different landscape
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in canada and its surrounding neighbors by 2035. for sure so it's sort of this like really far out
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target that we think makes sense actually i'll get to the reactions in a second but i think it makes a lot of
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sense to say okay we're just going to set this target out so you guys all know everybody in canada
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you all know by 2035 don't plan on actually having the ability to buy a gas car starting in this year um couple deeper thoughts on that one today
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and probably forever canada's cold and so electric cars in canada specifically have a harder time in the winter because the range is less because you have to heat up the battery and
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that's been something people in northeast deal with they pretty much only sell all-wheel drive cars in canada
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no one wants rear-wheel drive in canada because it snows out there you need a certain type of car and so
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for that reason a lot of canadians have avoided evs because they have much worse range in
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the winter yeah i think i actually wrote something down that it's only like three percent of cars sold in canada or
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ev yeah so if you're thinking about and that's like you know three percent sounds very small but that's still like
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three out of every 100 cars sold that are new are electric that's like that's it's pretty low but it's not bad
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yeah um i'm just thinking like all right so by 2035 14 years from now will the tech
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be good enough i think so but will the tech be good enough that that range drop off in the winter is no longer a concern
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i hope so but i just want to talk about the two different reactions that i've seen to this headline so
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again the headline is canada banning the sale of new fuel-powered cars and light trucks by 2035. uh the two
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different reactions i've seen are 20 35 is way too late and the other is 20 35 is
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way too early that's the two very different reactions i've seen um i don't know if i fall in
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one camp or the other i think this is a pretty reasonable like target if i'm agree with you
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completely i think this is a great headline uh a very a perfect headline for people
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who for journalists and and news websites pretty much like this is going to get reactions because
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of that people are looking at this at total extremes the sale of new i wish i had a statistic here but like
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new cars are they're so they sell a lot but if you look at how many people buy used cars because
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they're cheaper and they're still super reliable like the used sale market is insane yeah so there's still
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going to be so many gas cars sold in 2035 in canada as long as all this stays there so with all the evs
00:26:24
increasing we're going to see a lot less gas cars but there are still going to be a ton of gas cars yeah and that's just
00:26:30
for regular consumers too yeah and so the the line right under the headline is canada
00:26:36
will ban the sale of fuel burning cars and new light duty trucks from 2035 in an effort to reach
00:26:41
net zero emissions across the country by 2050 so like you said people are still gonna keep buying gas cars but eventually
00:26:48
eventually the turnover as people get new cars will be so much that we can try to attack this net zero emissions
00:26:55
thing but yeah that first reaction of 2035 is way too late on one hand i get that because we're i don't know if you just i just retweeted another random video of
00:27:06
the ocean on fire like the climate crisis is real it's 100 it's pretty real and the fact
00:27:12
that you know we we give it another 14 15 years of sort of business as usual not really incentivizing buying electric cars i mean i think there is a tax incentive in canada but it's just not the same as
00:27:23
banning gas cars so another 15 years of gas cars to a lot of people seems like a long
00:27:29
time but the other half of that 2035 is way too early i think comes from people who are looking at the current state of electric cars and the infrastructure importantly
00:27:41
around them and that is a much bigger challenge because now that we have you know
00:27:46
there's good electric cars out i think you can buy today in canada an all-wheel drive
00:27:51
model three and be pretty happy despite like a little less range in the winter but the charging networks all the other
00:27:58
alt alternate i'll guess i'll call them evs that don't charge at tesla superchargers but all the other evs that don't charge
00:28:04
a tesla superchargers that have to rely on the infrastructure that's being built out right now that to
00:28:10
that seems kind of bleak like if you're looking at the current state of okay if i were to get an
00:28:15
electric car sometime in the next few years would that be okay um so that's where a lot of people are coming from they're like i don't have a
00:28:21
garage i need to depend on where the chargers are and there's nothing anywhere near my house i live in this part of canada
00:28:27
uh and i get that too so it's it's right in the middle i find that funny because to me infrastructure seems like
00:28:33
something where 15 years from now i don't see it being any issue i think you're probably right i think
00:28:39
just we're seeing such an influx in all these other people joining the you know the eevee thing
00:28:44
that they're going to have to figure out chargers just like chargers are going to be something that just blow up soon and and the charging
00:28:52
aspect of it well clearly there's like technology involved in it i don't think it's as crazy as creating
00:28:58
a whole car at a certain price point and all that like infrastructure has to happen and
00:29:04
they're you know their cars are going to be like affected by it so they're going to have
00:29:09
to pump that out fast and they're already pumping it out decently well i think tesla
00:29:15
and all the other manufacturers infrastructure wise will be everywhere in 15 15 years is a long time
00:29:20
in the tech i'll be 45 in 2035 i hope i really hope you're right but it's also like it's more than even just building chargers there's a lot of people saying like the grid
00:29:31
can't handle that many new chargers like we want there to be right and that that's like billions of dollars in building and stuff where
00:29:37
we're like all right we need to make as many chargers as there are gas stations sure we can pour money into building the
00:29:43
chargers but can we support all of the cars in canada using all of those chargers all the time
00:29:49
that's like underground type infrastructure will that be ready in 14 years that i don't i don't know about and i
00:29:54
guess the other thing is if this is i mean 2035 isn't the net zero emissions part but 2050 is and
00:30:00
not all ev chargers are producing zero emissions like you're getting electricity from coal
00:30:06
burning places at some point like right they're causing emissions that's just some so i think it's a great step like
00:30:13
you said i don't think it's as intense as either of those sides look but i i'm super i cannot wait well i can wait
00:30:20
to be 45 but i cannot wait to see what the landscape of evs and just cars in general are going to be up there and i applaud canada for taking a stance like this
00:30:31
um you said too and this is something i wondered and hopefully someone in the comments or on discord or
00:30:37
something can help us out here but uh we have term limits in the u.s so i think this would be super hard for a
00:30:43
president of the u.s to ever pledge or or ban because in 15 years they're gone jesus is gonna say the next
00:30:49
person's not just gonna overwrite that i don't know how it works in canada and i think the uk has made a similar pledge
00:30:55
banning them by 2030 i think um but i also don't know how elections work in both of those will these prime ministers be there until that time to oversee it
00:31:07
uh yeah i think that's all interesting i don't think that you guys could do it california though has as a state has none of it right that's
00:31:13
kind of what i'd more expect in the u.s yeah but yeah it's always funny when you see these deadlines set so far out
00:31:20
i feel like they always move like whenever you're like oh we're going to do this thing remember like 10 years ago when we heard
00:31:26
about how many evs they'd be making by 2020 and 2025 and they're not really doing i remember
00:31:32
that i remember like two or three years ago when they all started doing like anywhere from 25 to 50 almost every car manufacturer
00:31:39
has pledged but i spent a couple missed deadlines oh i'm sure yeah i think those two together though
00:31:45
might be what kind of puts us in the right direction though because you know i'm a car manufacturer and i
00:31:51
promise by 2050 to have purely ev but i'm a car manufacturer and i can change that whenever i want because i don't really care and when you're a big company you don't seem to hit the repercussions
00:32:03
quite as hard as some other places but but if now you have a potential total loss of sales in a
00:32:09
country i mean canada's with the second largest country by land mass which obviously is different population-wise they have a lot of the um the northern aspects of it but like
00:32:20
it's not a small country to be taking sales away from so if i'm a car manufacturer now it's like oh no i'm gonna lose a huge
00:32:27
especially those big like i'm sure subaru does really well up there with all-wheel drive i'm sure toyota does
00:32:32
great up there i'm sure probably just right up there yeah sure so like they're all probably now like okay i need to take our pledge a
00:32:39
little more seriously because we're gonna lose this huge chunk of sales over there yeah to me the the the companies themselves
00:32:46
pledging to move to evs by a certain year to me feels like part pr part a little bit of internal pressure like we're gonna we want to be good at evs so let's just tell ourselves we're gonna be
00:32:57
good at evs but like you know if we miss the date like what who's gonna what's gonna happen nothing's really gonna come down and punish us where
00:33:04
this coming from the other side where it's like you won't be allowed to sell here by this year if you don't make an ev yeah and if you
00:33:11
only offer a bad eevee like others will swallow your sales and you'll be pretty much out of that connection you lose all your loyalty for when you do
00:33:17
come out with the eevee it's just like a different pressure cycle yeah totally different pressures so that is why i do appreciate this move
00:33:23
from canada um but yeah i still do want to see you know a little more promises from the companies themselves
00:33:29
and i call them promises but they're just kind of like setting vague targets yes
00:33:36
statements the stock price goes up look they said they'd make 50 evs yeah okay great well i want to see him so that's where i'm at uh
00:33:43
but i appreciate this um real quick while we were discussing all that adam looked up i mentioned new cars versus used cars before uh
00:33:51
he found a quote that says in 2019 17 million total vehicles were sold in the us
00:33:56
the rate at which second-hand vehicles increased double compared to new cars so not two
00:34:03
times as many new cars but the rate at which they're being sold so that's the thing we're seeing all
00:34:08
these new cars that are having longer and longer lives so like the secondary value of them becomes
00:34:13
stays really good and the secondary car industry is great so like that's going to keep going i would not doubt if there are a
00:34:20
couple people are going to be like we're going to build gas cars right up to 2035 and they're going to continue to sell at
00:34:26
our 100 car dealerships and every every year that the gas car gets better they last a little bit longer i think i
00:34:32
was reading about this too but like the the average lifespan of a car meaning the average amount of time someone keeps the car
00:34:37
they just bought for a new car is longer than ever and for a lot of tech things it's longer longer than ever
00:34:44
but basically if you keep selling your gas car right up until 2030 2035 they might keep
00:34:50
that new gas car for eight nine years until so yeah the the whole cycle of like transitioning to sustainable energy for transportation is a long one
00:35:00
this is just one step to hopefully expedite that cycle that turnover but yeah to me
00:35:06
that's why i think the people on the side of this is way too early why are we doing this it'll never work
00:35:12
feels like not a great argument listen trust me i'm sure there are people out there that
00:35:17
that have maybe decent arguments but if your argument is just like i like gas cars and i enjoy gas cars better than ev
00:35:25
i can't agree with you on that because if the world gets way too hot and none of us can live in it anymore who cares what car you're
00:35:32
driving might be a hot take that might be a hot taste hot hot very hot hot a literal hot take yeah all
00:35:39
right let's talk about ipad os 15. okay the newest version of ios for the ipad so okay i did a video
00:35:46
about ios 15 first lots of really cool features um facetime has share play built in now there's this
00:35:52
live text feature in the gallery where you can select text wherever you want lots of really cool stuff definitely
00:35:58
watch that video if you haven't already then we also covered we made a video showing ipad os 15.
00:36:04
now this is one that has some expectations to it right so m1 ipad pro came out and it's this crazy
00:36:11
powerful chip benchmarks over the 16-inch macbook pro 16 gigs of ram and a tablet we're we're
00:36:17
all looking at this like okay the ipad has reached yet another ridiculous performance peak and it's just still an ipad what are
00:36:24
they gonna do with this right so this is before wwdc and i had a little montage in the video because i
00:36:29
there's a lot of us sort of talking about this like well maybe ipad os 15 is going to be
00:36:34
finally like unlocking some new features some new power some window management something something to take advantage of this year because the ipad's crazy overpowered right so it comes out it's the it's announced
00:36:47
the wwdc developer beta i install it we start using it it's basically the same thing it's it's very similar it does have some pretty cool features again it has all the same ios stuff we
00:36:59
were talking about live text it's got share play and facetime it's got the new maps it's all shiny and with all these little tiny
00:37:04
trees and everything very cool performance is great i've been using it it's actually a really stable beta the public beta now
00:37:11
but on ipad os specifically there's like three major new ui tweaks and none of them for me really changed the way i use the ipad like i was maybe i got my hopes up a little too high for
00:37:25
this i think a lot of people did we probably did but they are pretty cool the big one number one is
00:37:30
you can put widgets anywhere on the home screen now neat i've been doing that on android for like 10 years now so that's that's great
00:37:36
appreciate that apple uh two it's the same multitasking fundamentals but they've surfaced it now
00:37:44
with uh these three dots that appear at the top of the screen everywhere you go it's either full screen app split screen
00:37:50
app or slide over app yeah and before on the ipad i actually really like this because i
00:37:57
don't really use slide over like i just forget about that gesture and a lot of times if i'm thinking about
00:38:02
doing split screen i will remember how many gestures i have to do to do it and i'll just just walk
00:38:08
never mind i'll just go back and forth i'll go back and forth that's fine um but the fact that these three dots pop up everywhere now
00:38:14
every time you're in an app makes me a power user more likely to go in and split screen
00:38:21
because it's just always a tap away and now real quick if i remember so i wasn't here last week when you guys filmed all this so i didn't get to see
00:38:27
most of it working but if i remember correctly from wwdc were they dot or it was almost like a
00:38:32
little menu right that kind of showed what it's doing so like screen was like a oh you tap the top first tap the dots it expands shows you that okay okay and then you pick one which i remember that
00:38:42
menu being like oh yeah people are going to use this way more because they can they remember what it can do
00:38:48
instead of having to know the gestures from it yeah that's that's like the best that is basically why i love it
00:38:53
sometimes because you remember that you can do it all the time so i do split screen a little more often than i used to um
00:38:59
but the last thing is quick notes which is it's literally just an apple notes feature i don't i didn't use apple notes either very
00:39:05
much i use pocket i use other note taking apps i use tick tick uh google keep doesn't matter
00:39:11
now with apple notes you can swipe up from the corner at any point in ipad os and it'll give you a quick
00:39:16
note and you can just write something down and save it kind of like you could if you're on the lock screen in samsung i was going to bring that and it's a
00:39:22
samsung note it's this i actually used to use that pretty often like between like getting ready to go to the
00:39:27
grocery store and like walking through the parking lot i'll just be like oh yeah and just whip out the that was the only thing i used the
00:39:33
pen for so good it was really nice it was it was almost like that one thing like oh i'm not a big stylus guy but there is this
00:39:38
one really useful feature that was huge for me yeah so this feels kind of like the same thing if you have
00:39:43
a pen or you could also just do this with the keyboard yeah you just swipe it from the corner you get a quick note you type whatever
00:39:49
down you swipe it away you just saved it to quick notes easy the nice little bit is it will actually talk to other things on the
00:39:54
screen underneath it so this is kind of like a ui thing i think craig's probably pretty responsible for
00:40:01
um which basically like if you're in a browser and you pop up a quick note you can just add that link right into
00:40:07
the quick note and then write something you can highlight something on the page and when you come back to that quick note later and click on the link it'll
00:40:13
bring you back highlight the same thing on the page so you're now a little more plugged into the ui
00:40:18
a little more like interactive with your notes i guess which i liked i thought that was good
00:40:23
can you share those quick notes good question um i believe so that would be huge i'm thinking right now like
00:40:30
okay i want to share this recipe with something i found it on this blog or whatever and for those of you
00:40:35
who look up recipes online it is like a you have to read a novel about why they love this recipe so much and then you get to the ingredients and then you get to how to make it and and if you like cooking a lot you
00:40:48
generally take a base recipe and you make changes to it so i would love to link highlight past the sob story that they made on why they enjoy making macaroni
00:40:59
and cheese i would just like to share with somebody with a couple notes i put like you know maybe this was too much milk maybe this
00:41:05
wasn't enough cheese i like using this type of pasta and send that whole note to somebody that would be amazing
00:41:12
that i believe you can share individual notes okay so including all the like highlights and everything that part i wanna i'm gonna
00:41:18
double check that i think that would be really cool that would be really awesome kind of the same way how if you took a screenshot on a samsung phone and
00:41:24
immediately annotated the screenshot you could send that annotated screenshot to somebody that was cool because you had the stylus
00:41:29
and you could just start drawing on stuff and send that drawing with your circles and your notes um with these quick links and these plugins
00:41:36
and hotkeys i don't know if all of that will translate but i know it's useful even for yourself for saving things oh
00:41:42
yeah i would still love it yeah so i you know it's not the revolutionary changes the way i use the ipad type software update maybe some of us were getting our hopes up for but i don't want to let my expectations
00:41:55
be the thief of my joy i want i want to just enjoy ipad os for what it is and for the couple people like me who
00:42:02
are maybe teetering on on just getting rid of the macbook entirely i'm just gonna tell you it's not gonna push you over the edge there's nothing like extra here for the file system or for window
00:42:13
management that's gonna really make you go okay now i can get rid of the macbook now i don't have to have two things in
00:42:19
my backpack um so the ipad maintains its position as a secondary computer to me and that's fine i don't really mind that but yeah i i think there's a lot of people who are waiting for like maybe
00:42:32
something a little more that we didn't quite get here's the here's the other side of that just to say you know maybe i don't know if this is
00:42:38
devil's advocate but this software that i'm reviewing now on a thousand dollar ipad pro with an m1 chip that i
00:42:44
was hoping for some extra power features for this ipad os is going to be on every ipad right i think
00:42:49
we mentioned this on an earlier episode but like the 329 ipad for education like the ipad airs
00:42:56
every single other one of these ipads is going to have the three dots the quick notes all these better features from ipad os and ios 15.
00:43:03
and they all just got that much better yeah so while the thousand dollar ipad with m1 disappointingly doesn't get
00:43:08
pushed over the edge of cannibalizing macbook sales i i can't say that doesn't shock me because all
00:43:14
the other ipods ipads get better too and that's just kind of where they live in between iphones and macbooks it
00:43:20
sounds like i'm just conceding the ipad being not great i wanted to ask that question do you think there ever comes a point
00:43:26
which is funny because they made all the ads like what is a computer but are they ever going to
00:43:31
over overtake the macbook i think as long or like even be uh even be at the point where like people are choosing between those two and like it is doing enough to kind of be at the
00:43:45
macbook level because i've heard arguments on both sides yes there are definitely people now that are choosing between the two
00:43:51
maybe between a macbook air and an ipad pro with a keyboard case or whatever and i think it just it really is very dependent on workflow this sounds like a cop-out answer but like for a lot of people the ipad will do
00:44:03
everything you want it to do i'm saying ipad os is not the reason it now does everything you want to do it
00:44:09
already did everything you wanted it to do just a little more easily okay let me rephrase the question a
00:44:14
little bit okay if you were because like i can see a lot of people doing that who maybe haven't grown up on laptops as
00:44:20
long do you think there is anyone who has a macbook or macbook pro that is going to be like my next device
00:44:26
is strictly ipad does that make that a little tougher yes because of all the things you are used
00:44:32
to on that i think one i was watching linus i believe and he was kind of making this argument that i he doesn't think it will ever quite do
00:44:39
that and one of those is like just file transfers and stuff like that is so much different and and i couldn't believe it but he says if
00:44:45
i transfer a file unless i sit there and watch the thing tick the whole time you have to go like
00:44:51
do something do something and then go back i never get any confirmation that it finished filing so i have to
00:44:56
go check myself and that just like you wait for it to appear yeah yeah that's the type of thing so
00:45:03
i think there are a lot of things like that that apple could do to make the computer user be more
00:45:08
comfortable only using an ipad but in general and i don't i kind of want to be wrong here but i think as long as apple sells a computer yep their what's a
00:45:20
computer thing is really just advertising they're not going to overlap the computers they also sell yeah
00:45:26
because they're cannibalizing their own sales in that sense so why would they yes they didn't get to be a two trillion
00:45:32
dollar company by oops we're not that good at business we accidentally cannibalized their own sales like they're pretty good at this
00:45:37
stuff i mean they did kind of maybe this isn't the best example but they did kind of do it with
00:45:43
ipod how so with remember even that like random ipod they threw out like two years ago was like we bought it and we're instantly like why on earth would anybody buy this
00:45:55
i it is kind of different i think i think it got cannibalized by the times we live in
00:46:00
like the fact that the iphone has an ipod built into it it completely 100 overlapped and people would buy the ipod if they just wanted a cheaper version and didn't need the phone features
00:46:14
where like if people are choosing between an ipad and a computer it's not so simple where you're just
00:46:19
like yo do i want the keyboard or not like it's it's a very software workflow problem that you just have to commit to uh but yeah i think the ipad the ipod
00:46:31
was a victim of of the time do you think there's a specific accessory the ipad where if they like
00:46:37
perfectly nailed it could be that final leap over and like let's imagine this would be the
00:46:42
leap where apple would basically kind of like decide to stop selling macbooks and sell
00:46:47
only ipads i feel like it's keyboard yeah for me i was going to say like the balance of it if they made a keyboard
00:46:54
that really balanced as well as a macbook does which is really hard because the ipad
00:47:00
weighs a lot more than the screen of this laptop exactly but if they could pull that off if they made like some sort of a surface
00:47:06
like magnet prong thing and now you have like a four pound laptop but it's weighted perfectly
00:47:12
i at that point i could stop using my macbook okay but i i knew we need final cut and
00:47:18
pro apps i don't know i don't personally yeah i don't personally edit on the laptop but i would love to see pro apps
00:47:24
on the ipad pro um that being said yeah i'm i don't see that happening anytime i
00:47:30
don't either because it would sacrifice portability so it would have to be some crazy invention in the future that somehow pulls that off
00:47:36
with still making yeah even third-party companies aren't making that it's like such an engineering i think the ipad
00:47:42
weighs 1.6 pounds the ipad pro and so if you want it to wait in a way where you can just sit like a normal laptop the bass has to weigh at least 1.6
00:47:53
pounds which it does by the way the ipad i think is 1.5 and the the base of the magic keyboard is 1.6
00:47:59
and it's already like kind of teetering and i put it on my lap and it just falls right over i'd need something to be like 2.5 pounds
00:48:06
now you're talking like twice the weight of an actual macbook for what a touch screen for ios like for this weird no yeah i
00:48:14
i can't imagine this what it looks like and i'm excited to see if it ever happens what that like new new technology is
00:48:22
that allows it to to reach that level maybe one day the ipad pro is like super thin and light i think that's what would have to be the the ipad basically has to be as light as a computer screen a laptop
00:48:34
screen that would be would have to be working pretty sick that's maybe by 2030 new ben gates right there
00:48:41
easy yeah that's the that's the obvious downside of that zach come on man um all right well we
00:48:48
also i got one more thing i want to talk about rivian's uh r1t there's a video uh tweeted by the ceo rj uh which is just uh just a video of him like taking
00:48:58
a kitchen out the side of the truck no big deal small small detail um do you want to try and describe that
00:49:04
a little better for audiences because just pulling a kitchen sink out of a that is a great point yeah okay so for audio audio only
00:49:12
listeners uh picture a pickup truck and if you've seen an r1t you might actually know about the i think it's called the gear
00:49:18
tunnel or something like that yeah which lives right behind the back seats and right in front of the bed so it's in that weird area where
00:49:24
it's just usually i guess gas tanks um and inside of that we've seen videos of people putting coolers and like surfboards and golf clubs and things i can fit like in that column which is
00:49:37
pretty cool in this video they pull out what's basically a module that fully fills the space they set it up it's got a kickstand and they open that module and it's like a sink
00:49:48
a stove top like a cutting board it's just this whole camping kitchen thing and i was watching that i was like okay first of all very cool not that many people are gonna buy it
00:49:59
but i love it's gonna be great for people who do want that yeah and this is a great example to me
00:50:05
of an ev just doing something that gas cars can't just do something something to get people to go oh
00:50:11
that's why i'd get an electric car over a gas car it's because i literally can't i don't have room for
00:50:16
that in my car if you put it in the trunk maybe but like there's all kinds of weird extra spaces you get from going electric
00:50:22
there's no gas tank there's no transmission there's no drive shaft in the middle of a car there's all the stuff that gets opened
00:50:28
up uh and this is just a cool thing to put there which is what i enjoy i mean i think the tunnel
00:50:33
in general is really cool and that's the best way to describe it i feel like it kind of looks like the vive logo almost like a rounded triangle yeah and
00:50:41
just imagine that yeah under your seat but you open it from the outsides and you can look straight through it and yeah they have this like whole
00:50:46
kitchen thing that it slides out and then pops forward now to me this is the biggest design flaw
00:50:52
because the way it pops up and your space is if you're looking at the truck it pops
00:50:57
out towards the passenger side door where it then blocks the passenger side door completely
00:51:03
so you can't open the door so like if you have something in there you either have to go through the front door and through the back so i feel like it
00:51:09
just popped out towards the trunk it would totally eliminate that issue yeah um that feels minor
00:51:15
like but like a pretty obvious yeah just get on the other side get out the other door yeah but but i do agree it feels like although it feels
00:51:22
kind of gimmicky and i do think a lot of people who are buying a car specifically because they want to take a
00:51:27
camping lot probably have a bunch of camping gear already that they would probably rather just store under there i
00:51:33
wonder if there's any sort of like module plug-in happening where you can use battery power to like power the
00:51:38
stove and like there's other things that this module does to talk to the truck it's gotta be battery powered because it
00:51:45
looked like an electric range right so it's gotta be running off of that it's not like a propane hookup so imagine like you don't need a generator
00:51:51
and a propane hookup anymore you just have the truck and the truck is the battery power for the stove
00:51:56
and like your whatever other plug-ins you have i think that's neat i'd rather cook over a campfire if i'm camping
00:52:02
that's usually the point but yeah um yeah glamping it's clapping yeah i mean i get it i
00:52:09
think it's cool um i i think it's kind of gimmicky but at the same time i think these gimmicks
00:52:14
are like the best pr moves ever because that video is going to get shared everywhere and it's going to get people thinking about evs actually
00:52:21
it's really fun i shared it yeah i think i think i'm i'm looking forward to more of these things you know i saw cyber truck and one of
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the things cybertruck did obviously besides the cyber quad in the back which is technically another thing that you can
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do it'll be an electric quad that plugs into the truck's battery cool but also there is a lot of
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high-powered plugs in the back f-150 lightning did this the huge front trunk in the f-150 lightning
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was another thing where you're like i have a pickup truck i don't really have like a small
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trunk of sealed storage that's the thing i heard from a lot of pickup truck drivers in the comments of like i don't
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have to buy like a cover for my back my tailgate if i just have rocks and stuff in there but i also
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want to have like two backpacks and and a laptop and stuff just put it in the front trunk people in the back seat have if you've
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seen a lot of pickup drivers their backseat is just stored exactly so this that that was cool to
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see cyber truck also had a solar panel that rolled i'm not even sure if this is really going to happen but it rolled out of the back of the truck and covered it no no that was a whole
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separate module but this was just like the cover for the for the cyber truck that i think jay leno like stood on or franz maybe stood
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on top of i think elon did this he just walked up on top and was like see it's strong it can hold me but that was solar panels and that would
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allegedly give you maybe a little extra juice or be able to check i could see that as something that's charging the accessories you're using
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like that feels yeah cool i guess i don't know how you'd roll uh whatever the whole point is this is a good one
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this is a good example of a thing that an electric car can do that a gas car straight up can't that
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gives people a real reason to want one so whether it's this whether it's instant torque or a faster
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60 or a front trunk or not killing the earth or or not killing earth that works too or glamping whatever it is you want to do okay this is more important i like to see stuff like this so
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shout out to them hopefully we can get r1t here someday and maybe uh autofocus episode i would love that that'd be pretty fun
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though then we we have to go glamping we have to don't make promises you can't keep marketing because i love that video
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it's part of the experience we'll see you can camp in that i'll camp in a tent we'll see who's more comfortable
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and who can cook more we have to catch all our own stuff though i'm just kidding that's a wrench that is a big wrench that's not clamping
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