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is oh [ __ ] I know when it's all said and
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done when I'm dead my name will be
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remembered in history why does that
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matter guys like us we're not meant to
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fit in we're meant to stand out but I've
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felt it it's addicting I need to do
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something that's going to just tame the
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Beast if not it's going to seep in other
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ways I wouldn't want it to in my life
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are you happy I think 2013 was my Great
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Depression I wasn't able to fight and
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then I just felt like I don't deserve it
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this world one thing I've seen they'll
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build you up and then tear you down
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people naturally just want to see you
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fail I had to take a hard look at myself
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and I put that pressure on myself like
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watch this I don't feel like I have
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anything to hide I put things out there
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that I probably shouldn't sometimes but
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that's my way of being vulnerable when
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I'm just like this is
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me so without further Ado I'm Steven
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Bartlett and this is the D of CEO I hope
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nobody's listening but if you are then
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please keep this to
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yourself Israel yes thank you for being
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here massive inspiration for me in so
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many ways and I've watched your your
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rise over the years with with ins
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inspiration and um admiration for so
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many reasons reason number one we have a
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I guess a shared Heritage in the fact
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that we're both from I'm Nigerian you're
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Nigerian as well and sir and your story
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as I read it it sounded so bizarrely
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like my story in so many ways and then
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the other I mean I could there's an
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exhaustive list of reasons why you've
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inspired me personally but then seeing
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what you've done with yourself as a
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brand as a marketeer again inspired me
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in a completely different way and I'll
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never forget and I played it for my
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girlfriend last night entrance against
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Robert Whitaker the first time the first
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time and I'm like this guy is breaking
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the rules yeah the entrance um for
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me that was uh I felt like that was my
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way of staying away from the fight in a
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way cuz I know that night Robert was
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just like stewing over the fight yeah he
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was sleeping he wouldn't no not he
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wasn't sleeping I'm sure he was just
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worried about the fight thinking about
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the fight just thinking about but for me
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I was literally I fell asleep with my
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phone in my hand watching my rehearsals
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for that entrance like this is going to
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look sick replay probably replayed it
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like 60 times the night before and I
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fell asleep with my phone in my hand
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watching that just the rehearsals so
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it's was like there was no paralysis
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over analysis I was just like focused on
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how sick that was going to look and it
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was fun for me it was my way of
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authentically expressing myself with my
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roots and dancing and just being
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creative so when it was time to show out
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you know I showed out you know and it
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was my show this time like you know um
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when Robert and Kelvin gum's fight fell
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out the morning of the fight before 2
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34 um that was in that was in Melbourne
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yeah R La arena in Melbourne as well I
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wanted to do an entrance and and Dana
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was like uhuh no allow no can't have it
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this and that so when it was 243 I was
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like look this is my show I'm doing this
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entrance I don't give a [ __ ] what you
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think and yeah I made sure I did that
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and look how it turned out it was iconic
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and you realize though because when I I
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remember must have been 3:00 a.m. here
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when I was watching that I'm thinking
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this guy's put more pressure on himself
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that he didn't need to put on himself he
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has to win now exactly I love that I
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like to gamble but I like to gamble at
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the highest level I like to gamble with
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like the biggest Stakes you know cuz I
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feel like whenever I get that win over
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that and I it just it just feels that
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much better and I feel
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like I don't know you just there a
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feeling I I don't know how to describe
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it but it's just cuz you know people are
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watching that just like [ __ ] like
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especially those who don't like me like
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[ __ ] hope this [ __ ] gets dropped I
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hope this guy gets knocked the [ __ ] out
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you know it thinks he's the man walking
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out dancing all that [ __ ] so you know
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people naturally just want to see you
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fail they're like this guy thinks he's
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that good on a like that was 57,135
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people in attendance and I put that
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pressure on myself like watch this and
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yeah for me there's something special
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about just overcoming that that just
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gives me that that
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Rush speaking of entrances then you were
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born in Nigeria um as I said I'm half
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Nigerian and then you moved to New
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Zealand what what was the reason why
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your parents decided to take you out of
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Nigeria and move you to another country
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I think it was um initially better
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recognized tesy education cuz you know I
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mean when I'm in New Zealand I sometimes
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I'll be you know talking to a cab driver
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and you find out that he was a medical
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doctor back in Sri Lanka or back in
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India and then moved over to you know NZ
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or the Western World for quote unquote
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better life and their their
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qualifications aren't recognized in the
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Western World you know but they're a
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surgeon or something crazy back home so
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then they have they're forced to take
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these um I guess milal jobs
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or start up a new business and yeah they
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wanted us to have better recognized test
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education yeah worked out all right for
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me but you were really smart anyway in
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in Nigeria when you got when you got to
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New Zealand you were smarter than the
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class remember you saying that they
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thought you were yeah but I was like the
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I was in form one I remember like it was
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um we're doing two times table and I was
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just
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like yeah I knew the song in my
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head finished I remember when I everyone
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was
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like who like and I I'm I'm the runt of
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our people trust me like I'm not the
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smartest you know kid in the class back
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in Nigeria so when that happened I was
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just
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like what's up with these kids like this
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is easy this is light work I did four
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one actually three times so I did it
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first time when I was 10 years old in
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Nigeria Bell's boarding school and then
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when I moved to Ghana for about a year
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and a bit I had to do no about yeah a
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year and a bit I had to do primary six
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and then form one again and then when I
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moved to New Zealand I had to do form
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one again then I SKT form two and then
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went straight to form three cuz it was I
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just kept they were like oh he's too
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young you know he can't in each country
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was like oh he's too young to be in form
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one so yeah uh but I wasn't like I
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wasn't the most academically gifted kid
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I'm smart but I'm smart in different
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ways yeah when um when I was reading
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about your story The the other part that
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really resonated with me was we we came
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from Botswana and we moved to a place
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called Plymouth in Dev and KL which is
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like a Farmland it's like if you go yeah
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4 hours into the the end of the country
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that way where it's all cows and Fields
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and all white people yeah that's where
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we moved and we're the only black family
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my mom's Nigerian yeah and um that
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process of trying to figure out why I
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was different to my CL classmates and
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why we were poorer and all these I
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always said I was I never realized I was
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black till I left Nigeria yeah and it's
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not that I didn't know my skin tone it's
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just like I never knew like it was a
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problem you know I never knew like
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people would you know I guess
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discriminate against me because of my
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skin tone and it was weird for me it was
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really weird for me to kind of like
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almost like another type of culture
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shock like uh the one I used was an
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example was this kid who kept on riding
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by my house in the weekend from school
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and we just like Hur insult s you know
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at me at my house in my house in the
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weekend he took time out of his [ __ ]
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day on a Saturday like go back to your
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country black and and then drive by
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again say oh you black this you blah
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blah blah I was like I liter I was just
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like did I do something to this kid I
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know his name even I remember his name
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not his last name but I was just like
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what the [ __ ] like what did I do to this
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kid to like did I did I do something and
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then that Monday was it the Monday or
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Tuesday the following week he pulls up
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to me he like what a black boy and I was
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having a bad day already and this is
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after like lunchtime when it was about
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to end and he pushed me and I remember
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just wailing on him just threw him to
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his C block beat his ass through his B
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Block beat his ass and I just I was
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crying the whole time just beating him
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up and I wasn't a fighter back then but
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I was just fed up and pissed off like
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who the [ __ ] is this kid like first of
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all you harass me all weekend and then
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at school you're harassing me yeah he
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never did that again after that yeah
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what was your relationship like with
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your race at that point cuz I I got to
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be honest started like relaxing my hair
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and I started I did and I was trying to
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I was trying to be white I was trying to
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be fit in like there was a point even
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like I start to try and talk like the
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Kiwi kids I try to like use the same
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slang I still do but like just cuz I'm
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part of the culture but like I really
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try to like fit in fit in and I don't
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what you mean about relax I was relaxing
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my hair cuz I thought it was cool you
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know it wasn't because I was trying to
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fit in but there was bits and pieces
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well I was just like man cuz everyone
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just wants to belong you know especially
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as kids you know you just want to be
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part of a tribe or fit in but then yeah
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when it took me a while to realize that
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I wasn't meant to fit in like guys like
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us we're not meant to fit in we meant to
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stand out So eventually I had to kind of
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stand it took me a while to kind of
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learn how to stand 10 toes deep in my
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own light but yeah I was there at one
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point you know trying to fit in and
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trying to make sure
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almost like even during lunchtime if I
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wanted to go to the TU shop right I
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would take the long way I would like a
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rat or Mouse I would Scurry along the
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edges of the school so I don't get a
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[ __ ] with and it would take longer twice
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as long three times as long but at least
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I didn't have to just walk through and
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get [ __ ] with you know on the way to
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the Talk Shop or something cuz I spent
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most of my time in the library during
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lunchtimes um I think in form three yeah
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just cuz safe in the library what do you
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mean by getting [ __ ] with what would
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happen if you walk directly to the Tuck
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Shop I know some I just throw an Apple
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at you or you know something stupid like
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someone might run up behind you in town
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down trap you you know uh or trip you or
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just chase you try to beat you up for
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fun and I know kids are stupid you know
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you I was in a boy school as well so you
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know it's all these boys
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with I know like just pent up emotions
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and unresolve Trauma and don't know what
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to do with the new found hormones and
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it's just
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like like little chimps and yeah see
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that's s i I know yeah definitely so
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it's like yeah uh we didn't know I for
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me as just yeah as an adult now I I look
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at it I'm just like man we didn't know
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what the [ __ ] we were doing like who who
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led us like who let us
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outside you know but um it's all part of
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the learning experience I feel it's all
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part of growing pains like I know when I
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have kids I know exactly what I'm going
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to tell them uh how to handle themselves
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if if you know what I mean what are you
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gonna tell them well one of the ones is
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hit hard hit first to be honest like I
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don't care like this whole thing I
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remember like you know oh don't don't
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hit them first you you know like if they
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touch you then you I'm like nah [ __ ] all
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that cuz the first punch matters the
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first punch matters so if someone like
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you know is talking to me and pushing me
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around pushing me around smack them like
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they'll learn first like firsthand like
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okay don't [ __ ] with that kid even if
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you might win at least he's not going to
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be a like make it not easy for them to
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[ __ ] with you you know what I mean so
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that's one thing I'm I'm definitely
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going to teach my kids it's like to just
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make sure you're [ __ ] unfuckable with
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yeah when I look back at my early years
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and you know having studied a bit of
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childhood psychology I realized how like
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formative and important those ear years
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are and we we're basically as adults
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like living out the stories we told
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ourselves about ourselves as kids and
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seeking validation from all the things
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that childood traas and yeah what so
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what what was left behind as you became
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an ad lot a lot one thing okay I want to
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go deep
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definitely being a kid that moved from
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Niger to New Zealand right and trying to
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fit in I ended up being a people pleaser
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as a kid I didn't realize that because
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I'm trying to fit in I'm trying to
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please everyone and then you don't
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realize how that follows you into adult
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life so there was times and it's still
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once in a while You' be surprised it
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rares its ugly head but I'm able to
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identify that monster now and I'm just
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like right I know what that is boom and
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I kill it straight away so I've learned
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that over years though but then that
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people please are still still a part of
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me you know cuz it was a way of
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surviving you know I'll just make sure
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these guys all cool don't [ __ ] with me I
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you know and I just kind of appease them
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yeah that's one thing definitely that
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that was the result of just I guess
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trying to fit in it's just people
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pleasing and it's not it's not the best
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way to live it's not the best way to
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live because you can't make everyone
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happy and someone's always going to find
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something wrong with what you're doing
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or how you're living or whatever so yeah
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I it took me a long time but eventually
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I got to the point where I just don't I
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really don't care what anyone else
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thinks apart from those who I give a
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[ __ ] about I care what they think but
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anyone else who is's not really I guess
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I don't have any emotional attachment to
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[ __ ] them like Bernie ma said [ __ ] them
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yeah and when you say people pleasing to
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be to be to be specific in the examples
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of you being a people pleaser do you
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mean on social media or like to the
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publicated or you mean no no before
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social media this is when I was a kid
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like in high school people pleas IE in
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the sense of like you know um son ask
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you to do something you might not want
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to do it but you'll do it just cuz you
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just just sure you want to fit in cuz
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that guy you know he you know I guess
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he's one of the first 15 jocks who play
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rugby or whatever and you just like oh
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you know I I I'll do what he says just
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cuz you want to get that it's almost
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like clout or social currency you know
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what I mean so yeah things like that but
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um yeah it took me a long time like I
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said to learn and realize those things
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this is a lot of self-reflection years
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of self-reflection and realizing because
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a lot of people don't even realize
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they're running on
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old you know childhood trauma like a lot
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of everyone is so you have to find a way
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to sit down and just access that with
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yourself through therapy is one of the
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best ways and then you just work it's
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like reverse engineering like where does
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that come from you know why why am I
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like that why am I why do I have that
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attitude why do I think like that and
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then yeah you and your therapist kind of
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work that back and realize you know
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where that comes from as I was reading
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through your story and you know you sit
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here as this unbelievable UFC champion
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and then as I read through your story
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there's all these little subtle hints of
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what almost sounds a bit like impostor
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syndrome at certain times like this guy
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not believing that he's deserving of
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what he's achieved and it's it really
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sits in contradiction to the guy that
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did that back flip coming out against
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Rob wh so I'm like where did that come
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from tell me about that
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um I think some of just same thing
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trauma childhood trauma some of that
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stuff um I've dealt with it very well
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now to the point where it's like there
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was time s um I Ed an example when uh I
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think who I I was speaking the Forbes
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not long ago and we we dived into this a
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little bit so when I when I beat Rob
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right I wanted my gifts to myself I
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bought myself a McLaren 720s nice
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and I um the first day I got it I
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remember I drove to the gym um this is
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at Peak you know time at the gym maybe
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six 5:30 p.m. or whatever and I didn't
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park it at the front of the gym I parked
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it at the back of the gym and I show my
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teammates like my close close actual
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teammates not the people that go to the
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gym cuz sometimes a lot of people like
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to be like I'm M Ro teammate it's like
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no you just go to the same gym as me
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doesn't mean we're teammates so I parked
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it at the back of the gym and then after
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my teammates finished working I was like
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yo come check this out and I showed them
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and I was like like [ __ ] look at this
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[ __ ] like cuz they know how the work I
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put in I work hard but then I'm like man
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I'm not the I'm not the best student in
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the gym so imagine if I can do this
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imagine what they can do so I kind of
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just just to share the share my joy and
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then you
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know unfortunately especially in New
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Zealand there's this tall puppy syndrome
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and is that green ey monster and I've
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been that kid so it's easy for me to
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recognize it on other people when you've
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when you've had it with yourself um so
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someone said something you know I must
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be nice and I started to hear Rumblings
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of I know it happens uh you for me it
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was the same thing I was just like man I
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didn't expect that from someone that I
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cared about to to have that kind of
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rhetoric like uh
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and then I heard like you know maybe you
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know like other people they're more
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deserving people what I know yeah and
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they kind of just piss having people
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yeah at the gym because they work harder
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than me right right right and like I
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said I didn't if I wanted to flex I
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would have parked it in the front of the
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gym like you know look at my new Whip
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and just to like Flex and just show off
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or whatever but no I parked in the back
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of the gym where only like seven people
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saw it and the seven people that I
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really give a [ __ ] about and I wanted
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them to see like look look at this [ __ ]
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like [ __ ] if I can do this imagine what
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you can do so when I heard that I didn't
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drive it for a week I just I just felt
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[ __ ] driving it I remember driving at
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home and I just felt like [ __ ] I just
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poed it in the garage and I just left it
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there for a week I didn't drive it
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because I felt like I I let those words
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from that person I gave a [ __ ] about
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seep into me and then it sat with me and
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then I just felt like oh yeah mean I
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don't deserve it you know you know other
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people work harder than me at the gym
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this and that r r ra but then it took
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like I said about a week over that week
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cuz I mean was a [ __ ] sick car I
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literally didn't drive for a week and
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got to the point that I realized during
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that week that towards the end like well
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that's subjective if they don't think I
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deserve it that's their own opinion
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that's subjective that's what they
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believe I don't have to believe that and
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like you said that is that that impostor
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syndrome things start to creep in I was
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like you know maybe they don't think I
00:17:50
deserve it but one thing no one can ever
00:17:53
take away from me is that I earned it
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every [ __ ] thing I have I earned it
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and I earned this [ __ ] Whip and I
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have a right to drive this thing and
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flex and once I got over that hurdle in
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my head boom I was in that [ __ ] and I
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was whipping it around but yeah it's
00:18:06
like that in aposta syndrome thing creep
00:18:08
crept in when I heard that from and it
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was through the grapevine as well but
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then I was from someone I really like I
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I was like man why would he say that I
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just I just and then people learn this
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is over now it's a long time ago you
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know this is wh it could fight but it's
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something it said more about them than
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it does about me you know what I mean it
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it says more about them than it does
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about me so I shouldn't have let that
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affect me at all but I did because I
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give a [ __ ] what that person thought
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because they a close person to me and
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unfortunately sometimes it's the ones
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close to you that will hurt you with
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that
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yeah there's something really remarkably
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sort of liberating and amazing to hear a
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UFC champion talking about imposter
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syndrome because it really does feel
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like it feels like there's no and this
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is I know this is an obvious
00:18:49
misconception it really doesn't feel
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like someone with your swag and
00:18:52
confidence could feel those things um
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you talked there about therapy as well
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and when you spoke to to Joe Rogan about
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therapy and about after your UFC debut
00:19:03
yeah that swell you went through I wrote
00:19:05
about this in my book because I I got
00:19:07
really compelled by the this really
00:19:09
bizarre thing that happened in my life
00:19:11
when my company joined the stock market
00:19:12
and I'm sat in my room in Manchester and
00:19:14
it it's wor 300 million and I'm figuring
00:19:15
out how much money that means I've got
00:19:17
and it feeling like the worst day of my
00:19:19
life and then when I you know heard you
00:19:21
talking a little bit about how you felt
00:19:22
after your UFC fight hiding in the
00:19:24
toilet when people are pestering you to
00:19:26
ask you questions and that annoying dude
00:19:28
sitting down next to you when you tried
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to yeah after my UFC debut uh the
00:19:33
Afterparty it was after the fight it's
00:19:36
always like I said I get pulled in so
00:19:37
many different directions and it's just
00:19:39
like it was my first time in the UFC so
00:19:41
I I was my first time experiencing all
00:19:43
that
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and it's like coffee it's a stimulant
00:19:49
coffee is a stimulant so after your UFC
00:19:52
debut and you sh like the way I did you
00:19:54
know I I I stole the show I came in
00:19:56
there and I stole the show and it was
00:19:57
just like
00:20:00
cameras this oh we need you to interview
00:20:02
this oh come talk to this person talk to
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this
00:20:04
person and
00:20:06
then I didn't get time to myself till I
00:20:08
got back home and when I was back home
00:20:11
and I was in my own house and finally
00:20:13
away from all the noise and it's just
00:20:16
like and then I remember it's like
00:20:18
coffee you drink coffee you're you got
00:20:20
the coffee high and then you crash so
00:20:22
it's literally that like just lack of
00:20:25
the stimulant and I just crashed I was
00:20:27
like why am I sad I found myself being
00:20:29
really sad and I remember it's probably
00:20:31
on my old phone me documenting my
00:20:33
recovery cuz I was just like like video
00:20:35
diaries that is I was like why am I sad
00:20:37
like I made six figures in my UFC debut
00:20:40
that's including the bonus as well yeah
00:20:43
and I'm just like there's no need to be
00:20:45
sad I [ __ ] kill that [ __ ] and that's
00:20:46
when I started to kind of like take
00:20:47
therapy seriously because I like okay
00:20:49
this is not I'm not going to be one of
00:20:50
these bad statistics you know that you
00:20:53
hear about in the in in entertainment so
00:20:56
yeah I um
00:20:59
I had to I guess take take a take a hard
00:21:01
look at myself but then therapy help
00:21:02
with that because then you find the
00:21:03
right person who can kind of help
00:21:05
you I guess figure you out and all they
00:21:07
do is just ask you the right questions
00:21:09
and then show you I guess yourself yeah
00:21:13
can you because I heard you say that you
00:21:14
picked up tools from therapy that helped
00:21:16
you sort of navigate all of that
00:21:18
attention in this new position you were
00:21:19
in what were the tools oh so um it
00:21:22
wasn't until I fought brunon that I was
00:21:24
able to go back home and just kind of
00:21:27
like um I keep saying it's like I came
00:21:29
back from prison uh what do you call it
00:21:31
like weave back into society regular
00:21:33
life normally you know it was until that
00:21:36
was my fourth UFC fight but then each
00:21:38
fight after that same thing I go back
00:21:40
home and I just like have this crash and
00:21:43
I had to realize okay this this is
00:21:45
something that I can't have happen
00:21:47
constantly CU it's not healthy a tool I
00:21:50
can say that helped me
00:21:52
um one of the ones that helped was
00:21:54
charlamagne's book at the time shook
00:21:56
once anxiety playing tricks on me I read
00:21:58
that during the I finished reading that
00:22:00
actually during the um Brunson fight
00:22:02
that fight week I finished reading that
00:22:04
and that I I I got a lot of gems from
00:22:05
that book but from therapy one from
00:22:09
therapy from my own experience is
00:22:10
talking to myself the selft talk because
00:22:12
you have we all have negative selft talk
00:22:15
but looking in the mirror and talking to
00:22:17
yourself you know speaking to yourself
00:22:19
like you would to someone you're giving
00:22:21
advice to because when you look in the
00:22:22
mirr you humanize yourself and I start
00:22:24
to like you know just have a
00:22:26
conversation with myself even like like
00:22:28
G myself up if I want to Big myself up
00:22:30
things like that so that's a tool that I
00:22:33
feel like is really underrated it looks
00:22:34
crazy you know standing in front of the
00:22:35
mirror and talking to yourself but it's
00:22:37
a really powerful tool if you know how
00:22:39
to use it right Fighters don't talk much
00:22:42
about their mental health I think
00:22:44
Whitaker did the other day and you you
00:22:45
kind of thanked him and applauded him
00:22:46
for doing that for being yeah I mean I
00:22:50
put him in a dark place after that first
00:22:51
fight and I understand because guess
00:22:53
what he was trying to do the same thing
00:22:54
to me um my guy respect is um Tyson Fury
00:22:57
because he's he's
00:22:58
about that you know to ends like and how
00:23:02
dark he went he went to like the depths
00:23:04
of Hell in his own head and then he's
00:23:07
risen above it and he says like he
00:23:08
battles with every day I feel like look
00:23:11
there's your spectrum of physical health
00:23:14
is super healthy super ill if you do not
00:23:17
look after yourself and your physical
00:23:20
health you're going to get physically
00:23:21
ill same way if you don't look after
00:23:23
your mental health you're going to get
00:23:25
mentally ill so I feel like if you're
00:23:28
it's like someone saying like you know
00:23:29
oh I don't go to therapy [ __ ] all that
00:23:31
[ __ ] no it's like well do you take
00:23:34
vitamins do you go to the hospital it's
00:23:37
not something to be you know sh like H
00:23:40
whatever from it's I feel like you
00:23:42
should look after your mental health the
00:23:43
same way you look after your physical
00:23:44
health so once I learned how powerful
00:23:46
that was I'm always on top of it I slip
00:23:49
up obviously because I'm human and I get
00:23:52
ill but yeah I always make sure I'm I'm
00:23:54
on point though was that your hardest
00:23:57
moment with your mental health after
00:23:58
that UFC debut in your
00:24:03
recollection not my hardest I think 2013
00:24:07
was my Great Depression there was a time
00:24:08
in 2013 that life was just
00:24:12
[Music]
00:24:13
like that's spiraling bad it's early
00:24:16
2013 I remember at the time my girl left
00:24:20
me the business I was working with was
00:24:22
failing work was [ __ ] um I had my jaob
00:24:26
broken in 2012 and I wasn't able to
00:24:29
fight so I really had no
00:24:32
like not purpose but like something that
00:24:34
I was looking forward to you know there
00:24:37
was a time during that 2013 there was a
00:24:39
time where I was walking mly home one
00:24:41
time and I remember this is when I was
00:24:43
really broke and I remember just looking
00:24:45
in this dairy or like this corner store
00:24:47
and I was just
00:24:48
like I wish I could just go in there and
00:24:50
be like look just give me the money you
00:24:53
have I don't want to hurt you but just
00:24:56
give me and I remember just like it was
00:24:57
a fleeting thought and I was like man
00:24:59
and that made me empathize with people I
00:25:00
was like this is why some of them do it
00:25:03
they just have no other choice obviously
00:25:06
I'm not going to do it because I'm I'm
00:25:07
not an idiot but I realized like this is
00:25:09
why some people do what they do because
00:25:11
they have no choice they just want to
00:25:13
eat I was lucky enough that no matter
00:25:16
how bad it got I always have my parents
00:25:17
supporting me if I hit my dad dad can
00:25:19
you please just loow me a 100 bucks can
00:25:21
you just give me 200 books d d they
00:25:23
would always support me and I never went
00:25:25
to them often but whenever I need to
00:25:29
they were always there for me so I never
00:25:30
had to go to that point where I was and
00:25:32
I would have never anyway cuz I'm not
00:25:34
stupid you you refer to that moment as
00:25:36
your your Great Depression yeah 2013
00:25:38
what got you out of that Great
00:25:40
Depression to be honest once I had my
00:25:42
fight so then I fought in June I believe
00:25:46
that year finally after six or seven
00:25:47
months cuz I had to take time off after
00:25:50
the surgery fighting and then I realized
00:25:53
my purpose again like okay I know what I
00:25:55
want to do so I didn't fight for a long
00:25:57
time cuz it was yeah it was just really
00:26:02
it was dark times not you know something
00:26:04
you're passionate about something you I
00:26:05
what I moved to Oakland to do and it got
00:26:06
taken away from me so then I wasn't able
00:26:09
to do what I wanted to do and then once
00:26:10
I got it back it just kind of reated to
00:26:12
myself like I know who I am I know who
00:26:15
the [ __ ] I am so yeah there's something
00:26:18
really sort of telling about that that
00:26:21
your lowest moment was when you lost so
00:26:23
much you lost connection in terms of
00:26:24
your girlfriend and you lost orientation
00:26:26
and purpose and something to a for in
00:26:28
your life yeah and you see that in young
00:26:30
men I mean the the the single biggest
00:26:31
killer of men in this country under 45
00:26:33
is themselves yeah it's mad and it's
00:26:36
like how do we get young men to have a
00:26:38
sense of purpose and meaning in their
00:26:39
lives in the modern world how do we get
00:26:41
that back into them and it's funnily
00:26:43
enough I go to the gym around the corner
00:26:44
I could go to some Posh gym I go to the
00:26:46
gym like down there in the in the ends
00:26:49
it's like 15 pounds a month and it's all
00:26:51
black and Asian young men and when I'm
00:26:53
in the gym I'm looking around and I'm
00:26:54
sat there thinking like cuz now I'm on
00:26:57
the Dragon's Den they they come up to me
00:26:58
sometimes but before that I was thinking
00:27:00
like the probably the best thing I could
00:27:01
do to help um with suicide rates in this
00:27:04
country other than having these kind of
00:27:05
conversations is like put loads of
00:27:07
[ __ ] gemms in this country yeah oh
00:27:09
yeah you know what I mean 100% I feel
00:27:10
like what we were talking about earlier
00:27:12
about young men kids especially when
00:27:14
they become adolescents and they don't
00:27:16
know what to do with all this new
00:27:18
hormones they're just filling up their
00:27:20
bodies and stuff like that they need an
00:27:22
outlet even for me I've said after this
00:27:24
game's done after I'm done with this
00:27:25
fighting [ __ ] when I have a family at
00:27:28
least a couple of times a year I need to
00:27:31
do something that's going to feel like
00:27:33
I'm about to die I feel like I just need
00:27:35
to do something that's just going to
00:27:36
just I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie
00:27:38
so I need to do something that's going
00:27:39
to just like tame the Beast if not I
00:27:43
just feel like it's going to seep in
00:27:44
other ways I I wouldn't want it to in my
00:27:46
life you know so I need to find a way to
00:27:48
tame the Beast and I feel like this does
00:27:50
martial arts what there a quote make
00:27:54
Savage of the body and civilize the Mind
00:27:56
something like that you know what I mean
00:27:58
especially as young men honestly like
00:28:01
they want to like you know sometimes
00:28:02
people want to kind of like discredit um
00:28:06
athleticism or you know working out or
00:28:09
you're just a jock or this and that I
00:28:11
hate jocks I was never a jock in school
00:28:13
so I have a really really special place
00:28:15
in my heart for them but um yeah for me
00:28:18
I just feel like just being able to own
00:28:21
your masculinity in a way that's not not
00:28:24
toxic I'm not talking toxic masculinity
00:28:26
but just being able to just like work
00:28:28
work out and a place where you can be a
00:28:30
man and just like throw weights around
00:28:31
or I like I love rolling with my boys
00:28:34
like there's some I I love lifting even
00:28:36
during lockdown I was lifting on lot but
00:28:38
there's something to be said when I have
00:28:39
a guy like my teammate Brad Rell or
00:28:42
caros or blood diamond you know on my
00:28:45
back trying to choke me out and then you
00:28:46
know 3 two 1 go and I have to fight the
00:28:49
choke something Primal about that that
00:28:51
just activates this part of my brain
00:28:53
that I'm just like [ __ ] it just yeah it
00:28:56
gets me going quick one as the seasons
00:28:59
have begun to change so has my diet and
00:29:01
um right now I'm just going to be
00:29:03
completely honest with you I'm starting
00:29:04
to think a lot about slimming down a
00:29:07
little bit because over the last couple
00:29:09
of probably the last four or five months
00:29:11
my diet has been pretty bad um and it
00:29:13
started to show a little bit really over
00:29:14
the last two months I go to the gym
00:29:16
about 80% of the time so I track it with
00:29:18
10 of my friends in a WhatsApp group in
00:29:20
this tracker online that we all use
00:29:22
together we call it Fitness blockchain
00:29:24
and I'm currently at
00:29:26
81% um so 8 1% of the days I've done a
00:29:29
workout in the last 150 days right so
00:29:33
I'm going to the gym about six times a
00:29:35
week that's been a little bit impacted
00:29:37
by the DI of a live tour but I'm trying
00:29:39
to stick to it and so one of the things
00:29:41
I'm doing now to reduce my calorie
00:29:43
intake and trying to get back to being
00:29:44
nutritionally complete in all I eat is
00:29:46
I'm having the hu protein shake thank
00:29:50
you hu for making a product that I
00:29:51
actually like The Salted Caramel is my
00:29:53
favorite I've got the banana one here
00:29:54
which is the one my girlfriend likes but
00:29:56
for me salted caramel is
00:29:58
the one do you do you worry about that
00:30:01
when when all is said and done like
00:30:03
you're you're going to have these crazy
00:30:05
moments of having like 60,000 people in
00:30:07
this Arena and coming out doing these
00:30:08
like I'm ready for it yeah and then
00:30:10
ready for it the high of that the
00:30:12
adrenaline high of that when that's all
00:30:14
when you're you know when you're done
00:30:15
with this game you said you know when
00:30:16
you lose the Love of the Game or
00:30:17
whatever it is did you do you P do you
00:30:21
Ponder what that moment would be like
00:30:22
for you a little bit but I I'm I'm ready
00:30:25
for it in the sense that I'm not
00:30:26
attached to this I've already I know I'm
00:30:28
more than fighting fighting there's more
00:30:30
to life than fighting so I'm not like
00:30:32
one of these guys who is attached like
00:30:34
you know I don't even know where my belt
00:30:35
is right now to be honest I really don't
00:30:37
know I'm not attached to it I know I'm
00:30:40
the [ __ ] Champ I know who I am I know
00:30:42
who I am and I'm a champ without the
00:30:43
belt it's just a fancy TI I've said that
00:30:45
from the jump
00:30:47
but I'm not attached to it to the sense
00:30:49
that it's my identity that this is all I
00:30:51
am so when it's all said and done and
00:30:53
I'm you know I'm not the UFC middlewood
00:30:55
champ anymore I'm retired I'm not going
00:30:57
to be like who who am I I know who I am
00:31:00
without the belt so that's the that's
00:31:03
the blessing in that but a lot of people
00:31:04
don't a lot of people like you see them
00:31:06
walk around with the belt constantly and
00:31:08
they just they attached to that like
00:31:09
that's who they are so when it's gone
00:31:11
and it's said and done that's why a lot
00:31:12
of people who are supposed to be retired
00:31:15
still end up
00:31:17
talking to the media and finding their
00:31:19
way to get their um name in the in this
00:31:22
you know in the spotlight because they
00:31:24
they're addicted to that it's addicting
00:31:26
trust me I've been there I've felt it
00:31:28
it's addicting attention that's that's a
00:31:31
social currency now attention even at
00:31:33
the highest level Fame clout this is all
00:31:36
these are these are tangible things I've
00:31:37
seen it I've seen it one it do to people
00:31:39
man funny story I saw this um when I was
00:31:42
in New York I fought Brunson right that
00:31:44
week I saw this YouTube video of a guy
00:31:46
in Times Square in New York he was there
00:31:49
regular easy didn't you know just
00:31:51
walking around didn't get bothered and
00:31:53
then he went there at night time hide
00:31:56
Entourage hide camera people dressed
00:31:58
apart that clip people are like stting
00:32:01
to like who's this guy fake famous dude
00:32:03
exactly fake famous guy and they're like
00:32:05
oh and then the camera guy ask him so
00:32:07
how do you know uh David and someone be
00:32:09
like U I heard his last album it was
00:32:12
pretty good I heard a single on the
00:32:14
radio or I saw him in spider people just
00:32:16
lie through their teeth you know and
00:32:18
just say whatever they think he is and
00:32:21
it's like you know you obviously don't
00:32:22
know the guy you can just say oh I don't
00:32:24
know who he is you know and I've had
00:32:26
that so when that day that that that
00:32:28
week in in New York I was doing a shoot
00:32:30
for my brand engage in Times Square I
00:32:33
had Jeff and like three other cameras on
00:32:35
me so there's like four cameras on me he
00:32:37
sees people starting to gather around
00:32:39
like oh who's this guy and then some
00:32:41
people recognize me they start taking
00:32:43
pictures and then before I knew it I
00:32:44
started finding people who didn't even
00:32:46
know me yeah and they're just like I
00:32:47
just want to take a picture have you
00:32:48
ever had someone come up to you had this
00:32:49
when we went to the podcast Awards Y and
00:32:51
they go hi um who are you and I go oh um
00:32:55
dragon from Dragon then they go brao
00:32:57
okay
00:32:58
oh
00:32:59
man the worst one I remember was um I've
00:33:02
used this story a few times but uh I was
00:33:04
at this bar in Auckland and there was a
00:33:07
a table of like four Dudes and two
00:33:09
chicks and I could tell one of the chick
00:33:11
was like the center of attention so when
00:33:13
I came in the guys were just like no
00:33:15
[ __ ] way stop in what the [ __ ] they
00:33:18
were just showing me love and all that
00:33:19
and I could see I could feel her energy
00:33:21
and I could see her from the corner of
00:33:22
my eye just
00:33:23
like and then she came up she's like
00:33:26
excuse me but who you I just like H
00:33:29
don't worry baby it's all good I was
00:33:30
talking to one of the guys taking photos
00:33:32
and I then she came back again trying to
00:33:33
talk to me I was just like and then she
00:33:35
came forc me this time he like excuse me
00:33:37
why is everyone giving a [ __ ] who are
00:33:39
you I don't know who you are and I was
00:33:41
like baby I don't know who you are I
00:33:43
just F her off I was like I don't care
00:33:45
you don't know who I am you know but
00:33:47
like the fact that she wanted to let me
00:33:49
know that she didn't know who I was like
00:33:51
it was going to hurt my feelings I was
00:33:53
and I was just like baby I don't know
00:33:55
who you are and I remember her face Ji
00:33:58
she's not used to being treated like
00:33:59
that exactly so I'm like I don't care I
00:34:02
I forget who I am all the time you know
00:34:04
but the fact that she thought like it
00:34:05
would actually hurt my feelings for her
00:34:08
not know who I'm like who the [ __ ] are
00:34:09
you you know how how how have you made
00:34:11
sense with all this this noise when you
00:34:13
you walk through places [ __ ] the noise
00:34:16
but the the fame like what's your
00:34:18
relationship relationship with it I was
00:34:20
thinking about this the other night and
00:34:20
I was talking to one of my friends and I
00:34:22
was thinking for me it's kind of just
00:34:23
this thing that's happening outside of
00:34:24
me and I'm observing it like a spectator
00:34:27
I like that
00:34:28
perspective there's no book on this [ __ ]
00:34:30
so I've always said like [ __ ] the fame
00:34:32
but I love the perks I love the perks of
00:34:34
Fame but I just I don't like being
00:34:38
famous you know what I mean have you
00:34:40
seen free Britney yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:34:42
brother there was a bit in that that was
00:34:43
one of my like I was getting anxiety
00:34:45
watching the first half of that there
00:34:47
was a bit she was driving and then she
00:34:49
ran through these red lights and the
00:34:50
guys were like look at her she's crazy
00:34:53
I'm like yeah cuz you're [ __ ] chasing
00:34:55
her you're chasing her she's trying to
00:34:57
get the [ __ ] away from you and you're
00:34:58
calling her
00:35:00
crazy man that whole thing just the way
00:35:03
she when she was trying to buy gas and
00:35:04
everyone was just on
00:35:06
her H I even cringe thinking about it
00:35:09
because I'm just like I would hate I
00:35:11
would have I would have hate to be in
00:35:13
that position especially like to be with
00:35:15
your family like your family doing that
00:35:17
to you that's crazy but yeah um Fame
00:35:21
it's not it's not no one's supposed to
00:35:23
be famous it's not a thing especially
00:35:25
with all these gadgets now we're not
00:35:28
supposed to have these we're not
00:35:29
supposed to have um people who don't do
00:35:33
[ __ ] with their lives have such a loud
00:35:35
voice and droves being able to tell us
00:35:38
because back in the day I saw this quote
00:35:39
on
00:35:40
Instagram um yes uh maybe last week or
00:35:43
this week about like you know back in
00:35:45
the day before social media you only
00:35:48
heard from doers you heard from people
00:35:50
who are actually doing [ __ ] you rarely
00:35:52
heard from complainers but now
00:35:54
complainers are the ones you hear from
00:35:55
the most because they finally have a
00:35:58
voice and they they can be anonymous and
00:35:59
hide behind their their anonymity so
00:36:04
yeah they're the ones who have the big
00:36:05
the big voice now and the doers are just
00:36:07
doing so people start to eventually
00:36:09
believe the complainers it's a weird
00:36:12
Paradox shift now in this day and AG so
00:36:15
like I said you have to be able to sift
00:36:16
through the noise and I have my ways of
00:36:19
doing that and I guess you'd also only
00:36:21
hear if you go back even further from
00:36:22
people in your tribe exactly we only was
00:36:25
that we're only supposed to have like
00:36:27
certain amount of people we associate
00:36:29
with as as the human animal but then
00:36:32
like social media and the connectivity
00:36:33
we have now has just made us connected
00:36:35
to the whole world made the world a
00:36:37
small place that you can just even
00:36:39
confirmation bias that's another thing
00:36:41
we have to be careful about like and I I
00:36:42
make sure cuz I follow certain people on
00:36:44
Instagram that I don't necessarily agree
00:36:46
with but I follow them just to like hear
00:36:50
the other side I want to know amen just
00:36:52
to like cuz I don't want to be
00:36:54
surrounded by Yes Men or people like oh
00:36:55
I only follow you know cuz this tells me
00:36:58
what I need to know what I want to hear
00:37:00
exactly so now I I follow certain people
00:37:03
just cuz I'm like uh they make me feel a
00:37:05
certain way but I'm like they're not
00:37:07
wrong though you know and it's just
00:37:09
different ideas it's not wrong or right
00:37:10
so different ideologies but I'm just
00:37:12
like you know what I'll tap into that
00:37:14
just so I can at least be aware of the
00:37:16
other side what they're thinking yeah
00:37:18
and that kind of brings me to what I
00:37:20
heard you say about Rogan when you
00:37:21
defended him because Rogan's one of
00:37:23
those people for me as well like I can
00:37:25
listen to his shows and his his his
00:37:26
podcast and stuff and I don't have to
00:37:28
agree with everything but there's a I
00:37:31
don't have to agree with his guest what
00:37:32
it means but there's a diversity of
00:37:34
opinion so I can and I feel like people
00:37:36
these days as we've all observed they
00:37:39
don't want to hear anything outside of
00:37:41
their own it's it's either left or right
00:37:43
and it's the other side is wrong and if
00:37:45
and there's nothing in the middle and if
00:37:47
you say one thing that represents the
00:37:49
other side like they in a box away but
00:37:52
that's the thing I'm I'm like the this
00:37:55
whole [ __ ] situation we have with
00:37:57
over now and what we're doing in society
00:38:00
it's strange times man cuz people adj
00:38:02
just the human animal is weird it's a
00:38:06
weird [ __ ] Spees cuz individually we
00:38:09
can be smart but when we in droves just
00:38:12
just just dummies just a bunch of
00:38:14
dummies and droves sometimes I'm like
00:38:16
how can a smart person have this idea
00:38:19
about this when you know what's really
00:38:21
happening you really it's like if you if
00:38:23
you really step away from it like you
00:38:25
said just remove yourself from situation
00:38:27
look at it from a third person as some
00:38:29
Observer just watch it and just be like
00:38:32
I know what that is but then somehow the
00:38:35
smartest people I know sometimes just
00:38:37
have the weirdest way of looking at the
00:38:39
world and I try not to hold it against
00:38:41
them because I'm like I know you you're
00:38:42
a smart person but maybe the way you
00:38:45
were brought up or your own childhood
00:38:47
trauma again can kind of skew the way
00:38:49
you look at the world so I never hold it
00:38:51
against them I just kind of
00:38:52
like it's not personal it's not about me
00:38:55
it's about them so just observe but yeah
00:38:58
it's weird man very weird very strange
00:39:01
and they're just I guess trying to fit
00:39:02
in too they're trying to be part of a
00:39:03
tribe exactly tribe yeah so it's like
00:39:05
more mentality even with um I remember
00:39:08
when Andrew Schultz said recently he's
00:39:10
like on one of his podcasts he said he
00:39:12
regrets getting the vaccine and yeah he
00:39:15
said he wishes he never did what like
00:39:19
people I find this really strange that
00:39:22
people like people don't want to get
00:39:24
duped people don't want to get duped
00:39:26
people hate feeling like they go had M
00:39:28
and if people if someone felt like oh
00:39:30
you know they they got duped they kind
00:39:31
of want to get people into their tribe
00:39:33
so can they can you know we've got you
00:39:35
on our side I'm I don't care what side
00:39:37
you're on I literally don't care whether
00:39:39
you want to do this or you do that all I
00:39:42
care about is how you treat people how
00:39:44
you treat the people around you the
00:39:45
people you interact with but nah this
00:39:47
damn age like I find people asking me
00:39:49
the strangest questions like and then
00:39:51
they'll base their how they treat you
00:39:52
based on that response like are you
00:39:54
vaccinated that was one of the weirdest
00:39:56
one I was like why do you care yeah what
00:39:59
does that do for you well we need to
00:40:00
decide who you are one decision we want
00:40:03
to know what box to put you in I'm just
00:40:05
like why so I like to [ __ ] with people
00:40:07
and just like ah maybe am maybe I'm not
00:40:09
we'll find out but then they just like
00:40:11
no but we need to know but you're yeah
00:40:12
we need yeah who side are you on exactly
00:40:15
I'm like why do you care yeah and this
00:40:18
is the thing with division as well I've
00:40:19
said like divide and conquer that's the
00:40:23
easiest way to break a you know a nation
00:40:27
or a group of people just divide them
00:40:28
and separate them make them think that
00:40:30
one is on the other side and this and
00:40:32
that and make them fight amongst each
00:40:33
other this how they've done it for years
00:40:35
for centuries the oligarchs or the
00:40:37
Illuminati or whatever you want to call
00:40:38
it they divide and conquer this is how
00:40:40
they get it done so why do you think
00:40:41
like they're not doing that right now in
00:40:44
so many different ways so many different
00:40:46
ways I I consider myself to be someone
00:40:49
that sits in the middle so like
00:40:50
sometimes I agree I don't I don't [ __ ]
00:40:52
with politics at all I don't so you know
00:40:53
Nigerian parents my dad used to have CNN
00:40:56
or BBC on the Telly all the [ __ ] time
00:40:59
constantly just on repeat but I just
00:41:01
don't watch the news I I literally don't
00:41:03
listen to it um you know in New Zealand
00:41:06
we used to have um like an update with
00:41:08
this whole Co [ __ ] on Mondays I believe
00:41:11
around 5:00 p.m I never once was like on
00:41:14
a Monday like
00:41:16
o when oh [ __ ] okay but everyone else is
00:41:19
just like oh has have they made the
00:41:20
announcement yeah I'm just
00:41:21
like I get the I get it new secondhand
00:41:24
I'm like what do they say oh cool are we
00:41:26
allowed to cuz I just the rules didn't
00:41:28
apply to me that's how I feel I just I
00:41:31
really and I it's my ego talking I'm not
00:41:33
talking the rules of the law I'm just
00:41:34
talking like no matter what they say I
00:41:38
can do or I can't do like example we
00:41:41
were locked down for three months last
00:41:44
year in
00:41:45
August during that time there was things
00:41:48
we weren't allowed to do like
00:41:51
train I
00:41:53
trained
00:41:55
allegedly yeah but I found ways like I
00:41:58
just felt like the rules didn't apply to
00:41:59
me cuz I mean in the beginning of the
00:42:01
pandemic trust me I was scared I was I
00:42:04
didn't know what this [ __ ] [ __ ] would
00:42:05
it felt like The Purge but then
00:42:06
eventually after all the [ __ ] after
00:42:08
a year and two years I kind of like okay
00:42:11
like everyone else we we just knew what
00:42:13
was going on there's some kind of
00:42:16
other I guess agenda behind it that we
00:42:19
have no [ __ ] idea about I'm not going
00:42:21
to act like I [ __ ] know but I just
00:42:22
know this doesn't make sense to me it
00:42:24
does not make sense to me that I don't
00:42:27
want to get too deep into all that [ __ ]
00:42:28
but like it literally didn't make sense
00:42:30
to me the common sense was just not
00:42:31
commoning it was not common enough so I
00:42:33
was just like okay this is there's
00:42:35
something going on here that I'm not
00:42:36
[ __ ] with but I'm going to live my
00:42:38
life the best way I know how in the
00:42:41
lines of what I can
00:42:43
allegedly I hear you when you said at
00:42:46
the start about the cartwheel you said
00:42:47
you know you just wanted to be
00:42:48
authentically yourself and this kind of
00:42:50
links to what we're saying now when I
00:42:52
when I was I joined BBC 1 as a dragon I
00:42:54
started thinking about how I defend
00:42:56
myself from the ability been canceled
00:42:58
either for the people that I speak to
00:43:00
here yeah and one of the ways that I
00:43:02
kind of concluded with my team was well
00:43:04
if I'm always myself and I don't ever
00:43:06
try and convince the press that I'm a
00:43:07
good
00:43:08
guy bro this is where this is the this
00:43:12
is the Trap that a guy like John joose
00:43:14
fell into cuz he was always like the
00:43:16
pastor's son he was always like you know
00:43:19
um after a fight I want to thank Jesus
00:43:22
you know I want to be sponsored by Nike
00:43:24
and you know all kids you know I want to
00:43:26
be SE kids look up I want to be a good
00:43:27
role model
00:43:29
ra [ __ ] them kids [ __ ] all that [ __ ] you
00:43:34
know what I mean I'm like bro people
00:43:35
trying to say that oh you know my kid
00:43:36
looks up to you I'm like raise your own
00:43:37
damn kids raise your own damn kids you
00:43:40
know like one thing after my UFC debut
00:43:42
some gu so at my Afterparty I had this
00:43:44
shirt right said good [ __ ] from engage
00:43:47
classic sold still big seller and some
00:43:50
guy oh straight up it was the beautiful
00:43:52
shirt like and also was like a a play on
00:43:54
a famous designer brand GC like
00:43:57
yeah so we we sld those we still sell
00:43:59
them heaps but um this guy came up to me
00:44:03
and he was interviewing me at my own
00:44:04
after party and I could see he was
00:44:06
trying to set me up so then he's like oh
00:44:09
so what do you yeah so what do you think
00:44:11
a t-shirt like that sends what kind of
00:44:12
messages it send I'm like what do you
00:44:13
mean and he he thought he [ __ ] with
00:44:15
the he [ __ ] with the wrong one this
00:44:16
son so he's like what do you think that
00:44:18
kind of shirt sends as a message to say
00:44:20
for example a young a young kid who
00:44:22
looks up to you and I was just like oh
00:44:25
really oh so what does that kid look
00:44:28
look up to me for he's like well for
00:44:31
being in your position as a what a
00:44:32
fighter right yes so that kid just saw
00:44:34
what I did about a few hours ago when I
00:44:37
beat the [ __ ] out of that guy and he saw
00:44:39
where I was take him he's like no no no
00:44:41
I was like stay there and I can see him
00:44:42
trying to find a way out so that kid
00:44:44
just watched me beat this [ __ ] guy to
00:44:46
a pulp in his own blood as he spat blood
00:44:49
at me and I beat him in his own blood
00:44:52
till the referee dragged me off him yeah
00:44:55
oh really so what do you think is doing
00:44:57
more damage to the kid is is is me doing
00:45:01
that and as and the kid looking up to me
00:45:03
for that or me wear in the Shir that
00:45:05
just says good [ __ ] it's this whole
00:45:07
[ __ ] culture of like stupid language
00:45:10
games you can say that word and that's a
00:45:12
bad word and this and that so and then I
00:45:14
I can't remember how I flamed him but I
00:45:15
flamed him there was a bit of an
00:45:16
audience as well I flamed him badly he
00:45:19
never released the the interview
00:45:20
obviously because he had like the S but
00:45:23
he thought he had me but he didn't
00:45:24
realize he [ __ ] with the wrong one and
00:45:26
I just turn him I was like I
00:45:27
think me doing my
00:45:30
job it does more damage to the kid for
00:45:34
watching than me wearing a shirt that
00:45:36
says good [ __ ] you know what I mean and
00:45:38
I hate that the fact that we're playing
00:45:40
these because even when I do I don't do
00:45:41
New Zealand media anymore cuz they're
00:45:43
too [ __ ] stupid for me and too like I
00:45:46
did this morning show one time and I was
00:45:47
talking I said something ask oh that's a
00:45:50
swear swear JW swi I'm like what the
00:45:51
[ __ ] do this high school I'm like I'm an
00:45:53
adult I know you I've seen you at
00:45:55
[ __ ] Pon Social Club drunk up your
00:45:57
face I know what you do in the bathroom
00:45:59
you know what I mean so I'm just like
00:46:01
don't try and act like you're holier
00:46:02
than th now and like oh you put that in
00:46:04
the sweat J it's like this wh what what
00:46:07
what game are we playing you're playing
00:46:09
this stupid game it's like oh we can say
00:46:11
these words but we can't say these words
00:46:13
like you're an adult when the cameras go
00:46:14
off I know how the [ __ ] you speak I know
00:46:16
how you talk you know and it's like why
00:46:19
we pretending we don't speak the way we
00:46:20
do because of what because we're on TV
00:46:23
it's just it Buggles me sometimes and I
00:46:25
start to like what are we playing it's
00:46:28
like it's it's it's so stupid as adults
00:46:30
we're adults like we we we talk this is
00:46:32
how this is language we curse we swear
00:46:35
but then when the TV comes oh you want
00:46:36
to be proper and you know you must you
00:46:39
be you know prestigious and speak I'm
00:46:42
like nah [ __ ] all that [ __ ] man like
00:46:44
let's let's speak the way we normally
00:46:45
speak and be authentically ourselves so
00:46:47
that's like Charlamagne say something he
00:46:48
says Speak Your Truth so no one can no
00:46:50
one can use your truth against you amen
00:46:52
amen bro like trust me like I I'm able
00:46:55
to get away with a lot of things I get
00:46:57
away with because I never said I'm a
00:46:58
saint I know myself I am a [ __ ] demon
00:47:02
sometimes trust there's no good people
00:47:05
there's no bad people people are just
00:47:07
capable of great good and great evil you
00:47:09
know what I mean but I just try to do
00:47:10
more good than bad but I have done some
00:47:13
bad things in my time cuz I'm a human
00:47:14
being you know what I mean so when
00:47:17
people try and I guess put you in a box
00:47:20
like oh he's a good guy or he's this I'm
00:47:22
like there's no good people there's no
00:47:24
bad people we're just people and we're
00:47:26
capable of great good and great evil
00:47:28
that's it amen yeah I I in my head when
00:47:31
you were saying that and you looked me
00:47:32
in the eyes and went I'm I've been a
00:47:33
demon sometimes I just had this image of
00:47:35
Nigerian so that side is yeah yeah no
00:47:38
but that's the thing so when I started
00:47:40
this podcast I know I was going to be on
00:47:41
BBC 1 at 9:00 p.m. on this very prig a
00:47:43
show I was like by the way I used to
00:47:45
shoplift pizzas to feed myself when I
00:47:47
was broke I did this I did this I did
00:47:49
this and you can there exactly right and
00:47:51
you could almost in my head when you
00:47:52
said that I could I was imagining the
00:47:54
Press here just packing up their
00:47:55
suitcases and [ __ ] off and being like
00:47:56
we've got we can't use him bro TR we
00:47:58
can't use this guy because he's not
00:47:59
tried to he's not tried to tell us that
00:48:01
he's he's not built this big hill of
00:48:02
moral perfection so we got to go find
00:48:05
you know we got go find they can't [ __ ]
00:48:06
with me cuz you know why if like there's
00:48:08
a reason I've stayed off TMZ I've never
00:48:10
been on TMZ KN and wood never will for
00:48:12
the wrong reasons
00:48:14
but I mean one day if something happens
00:48:18
I just happen to be on TMZ for the wrong
00:48:20
reason i' be like whoopsie my bad I made
00:48:23
a mistake but guess what I never told
00:48:25
you I was perfect exactly normal I'm
00:48:27
human being and so I'm just like that
00:48:30
that that's my power is being vulnerable
00:48:31
with my faults you know I'm not going to
00:48:33
say I've done this I've done that buty I
00:48:35
just know I'm not I'm not perfect I'm a
00:48:37
human being I make mistakes and it's
00:48:39
okay to make mistakes the difference
00:48:41
between me and some people is that I
00:48:44
actually learn from my mistakes and I
00:48:45
don't make the same mistakes over and
00:48:47
over and over again in the public eye
00:48:50
like some people dungs that's one that's
00:48:53
a classic example obviously the same
00:48:56
[ __ ] mistake we had a guest come on
00:48:57
this podcast in December and um she said
00:49:00
that she was making the point about
00:49:02
everyone having the same 24 hours in the
00:49:03
day this was kind of the quote she used
00:49:05
and it became the number one story in
00:49:07
this country for three days it trended
00:49:09
number one on Twitter it was on hundreds
00:49:11
of newspaper articles written about it
00:49:13
because I think maybe her brand is one
00:49:16
that is trying to be a role model so so
00:49:19
she was a it was the number one trending
00:49:21
topic in our country for three days the
00:49:24
story that she said everyone has the
00:49:26
same hours in the day oh right exactly
00:49:29
so I came out and said by the way loads
00:49:30
of my guests say that all the time why
00:49:31
are you attacking that and then my next
00:49:33
press event right I I wore a shirt that
00:49:36
said 24 hours on it everyone clapped I
00:49:39
didn't get canceled and I said am I
00:49:41
canceled I wore a shirt and all the PS
00:49:43
are there I said 20 24 hours in the
00:49:45
shirt and this is what I'm this is my
00:49:47
that was my attempt again to say by the
00:49:49
way I'm not perfect and if you want to
00:49:51
cancel me please do it now so I can get
00:49:53
with my life yeah I'm still waiting
00:49:55
they've tried they've tried me they they
00:49:57
keep trying me I'm just like look it's
00:49:59
hard to cancel someone when they
00:50:01
actually don't give a
00:50:03
[ __ ] I'm like I fight people for money
00:50:08
that's what I do for a job I beat people
00:50:10
up for a shitload of money if you really
00:50:13
want to take my political views or my
00:50:16
moral views into consideration and say
00:50:19
this and that that's on you I'm like
00:50:22
this is I'm not I never said I'm a saint
00:50:24
I'm not a [ __ ] politician I don't
00:50:27
everyone I don't feel like I have
00:50:29
anything to hide like I said I put
00:50:30
everything not everything but like I put
00:50:32
things out there that I probably
00:50:33
shouldn't sometimes but that's my way of
00:50:35
being vulnerable to the point where I'm
00:50:36
just like this is me take it or leave it
00:50:38
but I feel like me doing that attracts
00:50:40
the people who can re relate who can
00:50:42
resonate and I feel like they gravitate
00:50:44
towards me you don't talk about your
00:50:46
relationships your romantic
00:50:47
relationships never I keep that away nah
00:50:50
is it because protecting the person or
00:50:52
prot or look this world one thing I've
00:50:54
seen is they'll build you up right
00:50:56
they'll build you up and then tear you
00:50:59
down like free Britney um Miley Cyrus
00:51:02
Justin Bieber all these people I've seen
00:51:04
it happen so many times so and also this
00:51:08
world just takes they just take take
00:51:10
when I have kids you'll never know the
00:51:12
world would never know their face I
00:51:14
don't I'm even contemplating if I still
00:51:16
give them my last name because I don't
00:51:17
want to put that pressure on them
00:51:19
because uh even my my
00:51:21
siblings sometimes they hate it as well
00:51:23
where it's like you know oh oh this is
00:51:25
um this is d this is Israel's brother or
00:51:27
El is um it's Deborah this is Israel's
00:51:29
sister or Stalin the sister and they're
00:51:31
like oh my name's Deborah you know like
00:51:33
I don't want to put that on them same
00:51:35
thing on my relationships that's certain
00:51:37
things I protect cuz I value them so I
00:51:40
keep them safe because the world do just
00:51:43
try and take take take and that's one
00:51:45
that's one thing everyone wants to like
00:51:47
know what's he doing who's he with
00:51:48
apparently I'm gay as well because of my
00:51:50
nails and my pearl necklaces and all
00:51:51
that stuff so I'm just like let him talk
00:51:54
it's
00:51:55
fun but have you found it difficult
00:51:58
because of the success and the meteoric
00:52:00
rise and the money and the increased
00:52:03
attention to to navigate being good in
00:52:07
that department and also your obsession
00:52:09
with becoming the man you are today
00:52:11
which did feel like an obsession when I
00:52:12
was reading about your story sleeping in
00:52:14
the gym yeah like how does one do that
00:52:16
and also balance out having personal
00:52:18
life that's regular I'm I'm a human
00:52:20
being and I have feelings you know so
00:52:23
I'm an empath as well I'm yeah I'm born
00:52:26
on the cusp so I'm like I say I'm a
00:52:29
cancer Leo I'm hard and soft like a semi
00:52:31
chub you know introvert extrovert
00:52:33
exactly my guy so a lot of people don't
00:52:35
realize that about myself like when it's
00:52:36
time to like go in my in my in my crab
00:52:39
hole I just find my way I'm like right
00:52:42
Leave Me This I love my friends because
00:52:44
my close friends I can we can do this
00:52:47
for hours and just yawn and talk [ __ ]
00:52:48
and make fun of each other and just show
00:52:50
each other love but then we can spend
00:52:52
the next three hours just sitting in the
00:52:53
same room being on my phone or watching
00:52:55
TV or listen to a podcast and not say a
00:52:58
damn word and just enjoy each other's
00:52:59
space I love that I love that feeling
00:53:03
but um yeah I'm a person who who feels a
00:53:06
lot
00:53:08
so I like to protect that I like to keep
00:53:10
that really guarded cuz like I said the
00:53:13
world will take that away from you man
00:53:14
and I feel like people ruin things
00:53:17
people especially like this this this is
00:53:20
not supposed to happen the world I'm
00:53:22
being under a microscope and everyone
00:53:23
watching what I'm doing so certain I
00:53:26
just I feel like I just have to really
00:53:28
protect cuz I don't want the world to
00:53:30
take that away from me cuz they just
00:53:32
take take my cat died um maybe two years
00:53:37
ago the morning she died right I was I
00:53:40
think I was feeling gas up in the
00:53:41
afternoon and some guy came up while I'm
00:53:43
feeling gas and goes brother bro can you
00:53:46
talk to my cousin real quick he's a big
00:53:47
fan I'm just like man bro my cat just
00:53:50
died this morning man I'm not kny the
00:53:52
mood and I remember the look on his face
00:53:53
it's like oh all good all good whatever
00:53:56
and I was like give me the phone I was
00:53:58
said hello and this is as I'm filling
00:54:01
gas actively and I was like what the f
00:54:02
hold up bro no phones like what what if
00:54:06
I spontaneously C but they don't care
00:54:08
they just want to have their moment they
00:54:09
want to take they want to take they want
00:54:11
to take so that's why if I'm having
00:54:13
dinner with my family if I'm on a date
00:54:16
if I'm in the intimate moment people
00:54:17
start to like bro I don't want to be
00:54:20
that guy but I'm like but you're being
00:54:21
that guy you're being that guy you say
00:54:23
you don't want to be that guy but you're
00:54:24
being that guy that's people say I'm not
00:54:27
a racist I got oh yeah bro man I hate to
00:54:30
be that guy but can I I'm like but
00:54:32
you're being that guy you hate to be
00:54:34
that guy boy you're doing it right now
00:54:37
and it's like I'll be having lunch with
00:54:38
you and within 10 minutes we'll get Stu
00:54:41
probably like six times with you I'm
00:54:43
probably if we if we at lunch in London
00:54:44
we probably not even have a chance to
00:54:46
talk but they don't care they just want
00:54:47
to get their picture and put on their
00:54:48
[ __ ] social media with [ __ ] 20
00:54:51
followers like look champ like whatever
00:54:54
I'm just like no let me have my moment
00:54:57
I'm I'm and I've learned this I okay my
00:55:01
experience with this and I always bring
00:55:02
this up whenever I see him on on on TV
00:55:05
or here is raps most deaf I see most
00:55:08
deaf in common in Auckland Airport and
00:55:11
they're having a conversation by the by
00:55:12
the back Carousel and I I want to fight
00:55:14
in Adela and I'm coming back home I have
00:55:16
my trophy and I was like yo I want to
00:55:18
get a picture and I pull up to him I'm
00:55:20
like hey what's up most big fan he's
00:55:23
like hey brother just no photos today
00:55:25
man I was like yeah oh good no wor it's
00:55:27
easy now remember I was a bit sad but I
00:55:31
understood I understood cuz they were in
00:55:33
a bidd in the middle of a conversation
00:55:34
actively talking I should have had the
00:55:38
etiquette to realize like just they
00:55:40
talking leave them alone but this is the
00:55:43
thing no one I feel like it's learned
00:55:45
behavior as well this one thing because
00:55:48
everyone thinks that you're a biggest
00:55:49
fan it's the same rhetoric I I know the
00:55:51
lines they're going to say each time but
00:55:54
like it's a learn beh havior I don't
00:55:56
know I think it's maybe from TV or
00:55:59
Disney or whatever people feel like when
00:56:01
when you meet someone you really you're
00:56:03
a fan of you yell at them to let them
00:56:06
know how much of a fan you are and you
00:56:08
show them by just shaking and I honestly
00:56:12
think it's learn Behavior because I'm
00:56:15
sometimes I'm I'm like there's no need
00:56:17
for all this I'll be at like a three I'm
00:56:19
chilling at a two or three at a park and
00:56:21
so no [ __ ] way oh my God ah I'm just
00:56:29
like okay like after the Whitaker fight
00:56:32
the first one I remember after that
00:56:34
whole the fight after the Afterparty on
00:56:38
the way back to the uh back to New
00:56:39
Zealand I remember at the airport I put
00:56:41
out a story just saying like look if you
00:56:43
see me at the airport or traveling just
00:56:48
approach me lightly cuz if you come at
00:56:49
me with all this energy I'll walk away I
00:56:51
put that on my story just cuz I was like
00:56:53
I'll walk away cuz my capacity to deal
00:56:56
with with high energy right now was
00:56:58
just how are you feeling I was just
00:57:01
drained I was drained so I was just I
00:57:03
just want to go home and chill so I
00:57:05
remember at the airport I just I was
00:57:06
before at the hotel I put at before I
00:57:08
went to the airport I just put that out
00:57:09
there on the store just to be like look
00:57:11
don't come at me with all this [ __ ] CU
00:57:13
it's too much for me to deal with right
00:57:15
now so if you come at me just like hey
00:57:16
what's up bro big fan can I take a photo
00:57:18
that's cool and I remember that fight
00:57:20
week the week before the fight week I
00:57:22
realized and I had an epiphany I
00:57:23
realized I don't have to match
00:57:25
everyone's energy
00:57:27
because that was a problem I used to
00:57:28
like if you're a fan you meet me I feel
00:57:30
hey even if I met like I said my cat
00:57:32
just died then I'd have to like raise my
00:57:34
level up hey what's up bro hey do the
00:57:37
whole song and dance and all that [ __ ]
00:57:39
but I'm like N I don't have to match
00:57:41
everyone's energy cuz guess what hard
00:57:43
pill to swallow I'm not excited to meet
00:57:46
you as much as you are to meet me it's
00:57:49
just a hard pill to swallow and it's
00:57:50
just my everyday life I'm not excited to
00:57:52
meet you as you are to meet me and
00:57:55
that's okay because this is my life this
00:57:57
is how I deal with things so once I once
00:58:00
I kind of like go over that hump I was
00:58:02
like I don't have to match everyone's
00:58:03
energy so if someone comes at me at a 10
00:58:06
I don't have to raise my level up I
00:58:07
could I'm just chilling I'm listening to
00:58:09
a podcast I can just pause and be like
00:58:10
hey what's up man how you doing and if
00:58:12
they feel like that's a [ __ ]
00:58:14
interaction cool that's their
00:58:16
prerogative I don't care but if I'm if
00:58:19
you met me last night like [ __ ] I'm
00:58:21
in the streets in London last night I'm
00:58:22
showing love to everyone I'm dancing I'm
00:58:24
talking to people I'm I'm Mr you know Mr
00:58:27
area boy but that's a time and place I'm
00:58:30
taking pictures and you know all that
00:58:31
kind of stuff there's a time and place
00:58:32
if you catch me at the right time and
00:58:34
place [ __ ] yeah I'll show you love but I
00:58:35
hate when people get entitled and think
00:58:37
they just I want to take I want to take
00:58:40
so that's why I keep yeah quick one as
00:58:43
you might know crafted are one of the
00:58:45
sponsors of this podcast and they make
00:58:46
really meaningful pieces of jewelry this
00:58:49
lion piece they've made I wear all the
00:58:52
time along with the little time piece
00:58:53
the sandtimer that I wear often and the
00:58:55
line piece you might have seen Conor
00:58:57
McGregor has a similar piece which was
00:58:58
custom made for him for me it represents
00:59:01
courage and if you walk through my house
00:59:04
the house that I'm in right now if you
00:59:06
walk six feet in that direction you'll
00:59:08
see a huge lion portrait if you go
00:59:10
upstairs you'll see a lion portrait if
00:59:12
you look behind me on the Shelf near the
00:59:14
top there you'll see a lion as well the
00:59:16
reason my house and my life is
00:59:17
surrounded by lions is because they
00:59:19
represent courage calmness and that
00:59:22
tenacity that I've applied to my
00:59:24
business success to my professional life
00:59:25
and everything in between for me the
00:59:27
lion has always been an animal that can
00:59:29
be almost a bit of a contradiction they
00:59:31
are so loving and so caring of their own
00:59:33
and can be powerful and courageous when
00:59:36
necessary in order to achieve what they
00:59:38
want to achieve so if you like me are a
00:59:40
big fan of Courage bravery ambition
00:59:43
while also being calm and composed check
00:59:45
out this line piece and let me know if
00:59:46
you get it and you keep your boys and
00:59:48
your the people you came up with close
00:59:50
right tell me about the import how how
00:59:52
much you realized the importance of that
00:59:53
as you've risen to this place you know
00:59:55
to keep the day ones around you and
00:59:57
stuff like that I mean you you'll know
00:59:59
this it's Lonely at the Top you know but
01:00:02
it's not if you bring the right people
01:00:03
with you the people that came up with
01:00:05
you the people that you know love you
01:00:08
for you you know the people that know
01:00:10
you from before you had money before you
01:00:13
were famous you know so um I like to
01:00:16
have them around to keep me grounded to
01:00:18
keep me grounded and just make sure I'm
01:00:19
I'm solid cuz they knew me before any of
01:00:21
this [ __ ] happens and you know it's hard
01:00:24
cuz sometimes you I've I have fallen
01:00:26
into the Trap of having people who just
01:00:28
agree with me yes man you know and even
01:00:32
my boy chance I'm glad like I have him
01:00:34
around cuz sometimes I'm crazy I don't
01:00:37
always have the best ideas and I'll have
01:00:39
an idea he'll be like nah like okay cool
01:00:42
I just needed someone to tell me no but
01:00:45
I'll put it out there boy if he's like
01:00:46
nah we're not doing that I'm okay cool
01:00:48
cuz then it just helps me but if I have
01:00:50
people around me who was like okay sure
01:00:53
then eventually it just makes me more
01:00:55
powerful I just to think like oh yeah
01:00:57
you know I'm the [ __ ] I can say whatever
01:00:58
I want and that's not that's not healthy
01:01:00
man I don't think that's healthy for the
01:01:02
ego you know
01:01:05
yeah well I just like having people like
01:01:07
that around me because I feel like yeah
01:01:09
they keep me grinding and just remind me
01:01:10
where I come from you know they're and
01:01:13
there's so many stories man each of my
01:01:15
friends in my group chat I've known each
01:01:17
of them over 10 years but well over 10
01:01:20
years man then we all have stories we
01:01:21
can kind of share from back in the day
01:01:24
that just just remind me where I come
01:01:25
from from yeah and the other thing that
01:01:28
happens is when you reach what the
01:01:30
heights you've reached in your
01:01:32
profession is we talked about it then
01:01:33
you have this other um this other
01:01:37
attention which is from women that might
01:01:38
want you for the wrong reasons yeah my
01:01:40
mom always warns me about this have a
01:01:41
baby
01:01:42
bu my mom's trying to tell me like you
01:01:45
know when are you going to settle down
01:01:47
when are you going to find a nice [ __ ]
01:01:49
just settle yeah she wants me to be with
01:01:51
a Nigerian woman she doesn't like I
01:01:53
Don't Settle yeah I don't settle so for
01:01:58
me that that's something I guess you
01:02:00
just you just have to take it by case-by
01:02:01
casee basis yeah Case by case bases cuz
01:02:04
you do find people who just some people
01:02:07
play the long game put it that way I've
01:02:09
had people play the long game with me
01:02:10
even recently it's just like yeah you
01:02:12
know they there's love there and all
01:02:14
that kind of stuff but they play a long
01:02:15
game because they see the value and it's
01:02:18
not just what you it's just what you
01:02:21
bring to the table and they get entitled
01:02:24
you know and I feel like that's that's
01:02:25
not the way you want to be when you have
01:02:27
someone you know that's that you're
01:02:29
romantically in love with or involved
01:02:30
with it's like you don't want to be
01:02:32
competing with them or have them feel
01:02:34
entitled to what you have I'm like yo
01:02:36
you just got here I beam made it the
01:02:39
[ __ ] you talking about what do you bring
01:02:41
to the table I bought the [ __ ] table
01:02:43
what values are you looking for do you
01:02:44
look for in in that kind of person kind
01:02:46
I just like someone who's caring who
01:02:48
gives a [ __ ] who really cares like and
01:02:51
who wants nothing from me that's the
01:02:53
thing it's hard to find but someone who
01:02:55
needs nothing I even for me I don't even
01:02:56
celebrate my birthday and I'm hard to
01:02:58
buy gifts for cuz I'm not really a
01:03:00
material I love material things
01:03:02
obviously but nice watch yeah thank you
01:03:04
I'm sure you know we work
01:03:07
yeah now but yeah like I'm not a
01:03:09
material person but I do like material
01:03:11
things but it's hard to buy gifts for me
01:03:14
because I found this as well with my
01:03:16
rich friends when I was coming up it was
01:03:17
hard to buy gifts for them when someone
01:03:19
you they able to buy whatever they want
01:03:21
so but in that in that I just look for
01:03:23
someone who's who's who's caring someone
01:03:26
who really gives a [ __ ] that's the main
01:03:27
thing do you give a [ __ ] about me yeah
01:03:31
and you're going to have a family one
01:03:32
day of course no that's my that's
01:03:34
definitely one of my main goals after
01:03:36
this I don't want to be that Dad that's
01:03:38
like you know I wake up see my kids for
01:03:40
like 30 minutes before I go to work and
01:03:43
then when I finish work I see them like
01:03:45
for hour hour and a half maybe while I'm
01:03:48
tired no I'm going to make sure I'm
01:03:51
there from the ages of zero to five or
01:03:53
six I'm going to be like what do you
01:03:55
want to do today
01:03:56
like literally what do you want to and I
01:03:58
feel honestly [ __ ] school I don't know
01:04:01
why we still even have this whole
01:04:04
[ __ ] this this outdated concept of
01:04:06
school to just build workers cuz we know
01:04:09
what the [ __ ] school was made for why we
01:04:11
pretending we know school was created to
01:04:13
create workers do you still know I don't
01:04:15
what the [ __ ] is X no [ __ ] idea bro
01:04:17
I'm still waiting still I I'm like when
01:04:20
have I in my life as an adult known what
01:04:22
the [ __ ] X is no [ __ ] idea a lot of
01:04:26
useless information gonna passed on to
01:04:27
me in school and I sucked at school
01:04:30
because I was [ __ ] at memorizing same I
01:04:32
didn't really learn anything dropouts as
01:04:34
we do cheers drop out my man school
01:04:37
doesn't teach you much
01:04:40
honestly teaches you the basics I
01:04:42
understand maths yes english
01:04:43
comprehension all that kind of stuff but
01:04:45
when you come to like social studies and
01:04:47
algebra and calculus I'm like are you
01:04:49
going to use those in the real world so
01:04:51
FK School my plan is right when I have
01:04:54
kids I'm I'm going to have a tutor
01:04:57
that's going to teach them from the age
01:04:58
at home from the from the time like say
01:05:01
maybe 900 a.m. to midday or 100 p.m. and
01:05:07
they'll have an hour of homework and the
01:05:09
rest of the day we'll just go on
01:05:10
adventures doing [ __ ] but then they're
01:05:13
going to do gymnastics compulsory
01:05:15
because I want to make sure they know
01:05:16
their body the foundation of athleticism
01:05:19
gymnastics and Jiu-Jitsu so that way
01:05:22
they're involved with other kids and not
01:05:24
socially awkward you don't want toise
01:05:26
some [ __ ] bum kids who you know don't
01:05:29
have any social skills but yeah you I
01:05:31
want to make sure that they have those
01:05:33
kind of skills by interacting with other
01:05:35
kids through gymnastics or through
01:05:37
Jiu-Jitsu or other like activities and
01:05:39
they'll do that every day or every
01:05:41
whatever day of days of the week it is
01:05:43
but school going there clocking in
01:05:46
sitting down watching a teacher write
01:05:48
some [ __ ] on the board and write no
01:05:50
one's teaching they just literally some
01:05:51
of these people just there to catch a
01:05:52
paycheck and I've seen it I was in
01:05:54
school you just see them they oh they
01:05:56
write the [ __ ] on the board whatever
01:05:57
copy this copy exactly copy this I
01:06:00
didn't even know what cuz we were doing
01:06:01
these when I was in in high school NCA
01:06:03
credits and I I remember just like
01:06:04
towards the end of the year what's all
01:06:05
this credits credits credits not to
01:06:07
repeat the whole year well I didn't know
01:06:09
what it I was like credit well NCA
01:06:11
credits what's all this credit [ __ ]
01:06:12
Credit Credit Credit Credit I did not
01:06:14
care I didn't understand I just didn't
01:06:16
fathom it but then eventually when I go
01:06:17
to Grass I was like oh this sucks it's a
01:06:20
[ __ ] system and then they'll give you
01:06:22
the D and then you'll feel like you're a
01:06:24
d as a human you identify
01:06:27
one of the worst ones I remember was in
01:06:29
in boarding school in Nigeria I was I
01:06:32
was bottom three in the class and of
01:06:33
course they have to announce it the
01:06:35
bottom three and you have to stand in
01:06:36
front of the school they announce
01:06:39
it just like these are the bottom three
01:06:43
of stand with your head down yep that's
01:06:47
us that's yeah we we the ones I was the
01:06:49
lowest yes thank you okay now go on take
01:06:51
your seats okay yes thank you oh the
01:06:53
worst man and it's just ating but it's
01:06:56
like it's I don't know if it's meant to
01:06:57
motivate you or what but it didn't do
01:06:58
[ __ ] and like I said you a lot of people
01:07:01
start like if I see that now even like
01:07:03
young people they have to tie the
01:07:05
selfworth I have a friend in med school
01:07:07
who literally like when it gets crunch
01:07:09
time they just like I need to get these
01:07:11
grades I need they get the grades up and
01:07:13
they just identify themselves if I don't
01:07:14
get this I'm useless this is it I failed
01:07:16
I'm like you're 23 calm the [ __ ] down
01:07:20
it's not that deep it is obviously it's
01:07:21
your career but I'm like there's more to
01:07:23
life there's way more to life this than
01:07:26
than just this idea of who you think you
01:07:29
are cuz when I was [ __ ] 18 I thought
01:07:32
I was going to be married and have kids
01:07:33
at
01:07:34
23 boy was I wrong damn I'm like I the
01:07:37
[ __ ] who who let me buy a house now I'm
01:07:39
like why I don't know who let me do that
01:07:42
I shouldn't should have never given
01:07:43
these [ __ ] money first of all I didn't
01:07:46
think they gave it to you you I took all
01:07:48
that I'm a bankr yeah
01:07:51
like yeah I don't know what I was
01:07:53
thinking back then I thought like this I
01:07:55
thought I knew what I wanted so when I
01:07:57
was 18 I was like I'm going to have kids
01:07:59
when I'm 23 24 [ __ ] hell jeez
01:08:04
Anda what when you look forward at your
01:08:06
your you I mean youve reached the top of
01:08:09
your game um how do you how do you keep
01:08:12
yourself you know what is the thing
01:08:14
that's driving you now what is the thing
01:08:16
you're aiming for now what's that North
01:08:17
Star that's getting you out of
01:08:19
bed is it legac out people talk about
01:08:22
Legacy and Legacy yeah big thing Legacy
01:08:24
is for me definitely the Legacy I want
01:08:26
to live why does that matter I think I
01:08:30
want to be immortal I don't know if it's
01:08:31
my ego or I'm selfish or what it is but
01:08:33
I I just know look I did the prefix I is
01:08:37
royalty where we're from you know I from
01:08:40
the from the EUR tribe you know that's
01:08:42
that has some Royal Blood tied to it
01:08:45
Adis but now worldwide the name Adis is
01:08:48
sonon for greatness forever synonymous
01:08:51
with greatness and I'm going to make
01:08:53
sure that is I'm going to make sure if
01:08:54
you have that name I this you're proud
01:08:56
to be like yep I'm tied to that
01:08:59
bloodline I understand
01:09:01
because I don't know I don't know what
01:09:03
it is is it my ego why is it that
01:09:06
[ __ ] King King Tut wanted to be
01:09:08
buried in his tomb with all his gold
01:09:10
even though he's not going to be there
01:09:11
to exact to enjoy it I don't know I
01:09:13
don't know but I know when it's all said
01:09:15
and done when I'm
01:09:17
dead my name will be remembered in
01:09:19
history was that Troy line and that's
01:09:23
why no one will remember your name or
01:09:24
whatever it was but like I want to make
01:09:26
sure that my name will be remembered and
01:09:28
revered throughout history as one of
01:09:30
the one of the best in this game but
01:09:33
also just as a person I just just just a
01:09:35
GC just a good [ __ ] just a happy dude
01:09:38
who was who was enjoying life and just I
01:09:40
don't know making [ __ ] happened but it's
01:09:42
more about the feeling though I want
01:09:43
people to remember my name and just
01:09:44
remember the feeling I gave them you
01:09:46
know what I mean like those who were
01:09:48
alive to or not alive or around to watch
01:09:50
Jordan's um reign in the NBA I mean I'm
01:09:54
sure when they hear Jordan they can just
01:09:55
I remember that time I was at that game
01:09:57
or I remember that time I watched that
01:09:58
that game live and they remember the
01:10:00
feeling I want those like when they
01:10:03
remember my name to be like I was there
01:10:05
243 I remember how I was in the in the
01:10:07
arena when he won that feeling I want I
01:10:10
want people forget what you say or what
01:10:12
you do but they never forget how you
01:10:13
make them feel so it's the feeling I
01:10:15
want to make sure they remember yeah
01:10:17
when people reach the top of their game
01:10:19
they start becoming philanthropists we
01:10:20
see this when people get billions they
01:10:21
fig because they they can't seem to get
01:10:23
the buzz or the feeling anymore from
01:10:25
um from business or success or money or
01:10:27
L begins your y so they start like
01:10:29
helping other people right I'm getting
01:10:31
there you're getting to the point where
01:10:32
you're starting to feel that the
01:10:33
greatest service you can do is like for
01:10:35
others cuz when you're talking about
01:10:36
your legacy there it's actually sounds
01:10:38
like the feeling that's feel
01:10:41
philanthropy it's like I want to leave
01:10:42
this feeling with other people so that
01:10:44
they feel you know inspired or whatever
01:10:46
yeah um I'm doing the same thing as well
01:10:48
I'm setting my people of the people in
01:10:50
my circle I'm not handing anything out
01:10:51
to them but just with opportunities you
01:10:54
know and also experiencing I'm giving
01:10:55
them experiences to inspire them um but
01:10:59
yeah there's things that I do behind the
01:11:02
scenes that I don't necessarily I don't
01:11:05
know like I'm not one of these guys I
01:11:06
don't do it for the likes I do it for
01:11:08
love and I feel like there's a bar from
01:11:10
Jay-Z the best form of giving is
01:11:11
anonymous to Anonymous so there's ways I
01:11:14
just I drop gems like Shaq I love the
01:11:17
way Shaq does it but he does it quite
01:11:18
over atly like you want a bike yeah huh
01:11:21
ask your mom if you have a bike you got
01:11:24
these shoes how many you want you know
01:11:26
like he does that just drop Gams
01:11:28
everywhere he makes people happy cuz if
01:11:29
it feels good to make people feel good
01:11:32
even though that is selfish in a sense
01:11:33
because I'm getting I'm getting
01:11:34
something I'm getting good feels out of
01:11:36
it but still I'm making someone feel
01:11:37
good I'd rather that but I'm not doing
01:11:40
it to be
01:11:41
like yeah hey man you know I know you're
01:11:43
hungry and I just bought you this meal
01:11:45
cuz I really want to show love to you
01:11:47
man you know yeah exactly and upload it
01:11:50
to the gram and then [ __ ] yeah I don't
01:11:51
do that like I there's things I've done
01:11:53
even
01:11:55
Tim will tell you after this I mean even
01:11:57
for this fight there was someone that I
01:12:00
I think last year he went through some
01:12:01
stuff that I heard about on on on the
01:12:04
media and I was just like [ __ ] I went
01:12:05
through that [ __ ] as well and then this
01:12:08
fight I brought him out and I I showed
01:12:09
him a good time yeah he and his mom and
01:12:12
I I I put them up got them tickets and
01:12:15
just made sure they um yeah they were
01:12:16
looked after I met him backstage and
01:12:19
just gave him a few words of
01:12:21
encouragement and I don't need to bring
01:12:22
it up because yeah yeah I yeah it's fine
01:12:24
I [ __ ] yeah but Tim will tell you about
01:12:26
it when you walked in the song playing
01:12:29
do you remember the song playing hold up
01:12:30
oh Victory oh no that was a nipy yeah um
01:12:32
which one was it was from Victory lap
01:12:34
though yeah yeah yeah double up double
01:12:36
up yeah oh every time that song gets me
01:12:39
every time when it gets the course I
01:12:41
live behind when you let me oh it gets
01:12:44
me man every single time I don't know
01:12:46
why about something about that track it
01:12:49
just gets me in my field I didn't even
01:12:50
thinking about I get goosebumps yeah
01:12:52
double UPS the track man when I saw you
01:12:56
pre fight playing that song in the hotel
01:12:59
room crying yeah and then I saw you in
01:13:02
the stands another time crying yeah I
01:13:04
guess that was the evidence that you are
01:13:06
a bit of an empath you do feel the last
01:13:08
one was that was when I watched my boy
01:13:10
Blood Diamond jump on the scale to weigh
01:13:12
in um and I get really emotional fight
01:13:16
week's like my wedding week I feel this
01:13:17
is why I I dread getting married cuz I
01:13:19
don't the guest list I'm just like I
01:13:21
don't even [ __ ] know who I want to
01:13:22
like invite cuz people going to be like
01:13:24
oh you did invite me ready I I don't
01:13:28
that's why I don't celebrate my birthday
01:13:31
cuz it's like a few times a year there's
01:13:34
a whole week that everything's about me
01:13:37
so I don't need another special day that
01:13:39
it's about me so that's why I'm most ad
01:13:40
dreading like I said my wedding day or
01:13:42
my birthday forced fun exactly so I I
01:13:45
really don't celebrate my birthday to be
01:13:46
honest like every day is my birthday I
01:13:48
can do whatever [ __ ] I want you know I
01:13:50
don't even sell I don't I don't buy
01:13:52
gifts from people on their birthday I
01:13:53
just buy them if I see something I oh I
01:13:55
think she'll like that or I think he'll
01:13:57
value that I'll just buy it just because
01:13:59
I'm like or give them the experience
01:14:01
just because I feel like they'll value
01:14:02
that but um I know you're not missing
01:14:04
Valentine's Day though oh no Valentine's
01:14:07
Day I have a special tradition on
01:14:09
Valentine's Day I used to do but I kind
01:14:11
I don't really play around with it
01:14:13
anymore I just used to like just mad
01:14:15
memes on my page and just just it's
01:14:17
funny I was just awake first time I did
01:14:19
it was in
01:14:20
2014 yes I believe 2014 Valentine's Day
01:14:23
I was fighting and throughout the day I
01:14:25
was waiting for the fight I was just
01:14:27
bored this before stories on Instagram
01:14:29
so I just put up like 80 posts that day
01:14:32
just like yeah I know people go mad at
01:14:34
me people were really entertained but I
01:14:36
didn't care I was just I was just in
01:14:37
that fight mode so I was just like
01:14:39
[ __ ] putting a post about van just
01:14:41
memes and just making just making fun of
01:14:43
Valentine's Day but [ __ ] good times good
01:14:46
good times before I was uh I guess Super
01:14:50
Famous one of our guests you said you're
01:14:52
going up to Manchester on um on the
01:14:54
weekend one of our guests Patrice ever
01:14:56
is Manchester United football legend
01:14:57
he's a do you know the guy no I see I
01:14:59
don't football the bug didn't catch me
01:15:01
yeah he didn't catch me as a sports
01:15:03
didn't really catch me as a kid CU I was
01:15:04
unathletic funny enough yeah I know I
01:15:08
was never really athletic kid yeah Matt
01:15:11
I mean patri when Patrice came here he
01:15:13
he's from his family from Africa
01:15:14
originally moved to France played for
01:15:16
the French football team he became this
01:15:17
Legend maybe the greatest Manchester
01:15:19
United Wing back in our history um he
01:15:23
wrote a question in the diary um we
01:15:26
always get our guests to write questions
01:15:27
in the diary right yes I heard about
01:15:29
this this is all I knew about this
01:15:31
podcast I was like okay apparently
01:15:32
there's a question yeah yeah there's a
01:15:35
question at the end but in fact I'm
01:15:36
going to read you the question that's
01:15:37
been left for you by I don't actually
01:15:38
read it until I look at it but um
01:15:39
Patrice asked a question which I thought
01:15:41
was really profound because I remember
01:15:42
being asked this question one day and it
01:15:43
really puzzled me and it's such a simple
01:15:44
question so I'm going to ask you the
01:15:46
question okay are you happy right now
01:15:51
yes yes I'm very happy why' you say
01:15:54
right now cuz it's not lasting it's
01:15:56
fleeting that's one thing I've also
01:15:58
learned as well is well you can't enjoy
01:16:02
the sunshine without a little rain and
01:16:04
everything is temporary everything
01:16:06
everything's forever changing so even
01:16:08
right now I'm happy I'm enjoying life I
01:16:11
love where I'm at I love who I'm around
01:16:14
I love who I'm with you know I I know
01:16:18
it's not it's not lasting cuz guess what
01:16:20
something's going to happen that's going
01:16:21
to shake that up cuz back in the day
01:16:24
whenever this has happening I'm just
01:16:25
like it's been a few good
01:16:28
days things is to
01:16:31
nice where's the thing that's going to
01:16:33
[ __ ] me up but now now I'm just like
01:16:36
this is nice and I'll just sit in it and
01:16:38
I'll just enjoy it I enjoy the happiness
01:16:40
and I enjoy what I'm doing to enjoy
01:16:41
where I'm at and then when the bad thing
01:16:44
comes I'm like ah there it is it's okay
01:16:46
this is going to pass as well this too
01:16:47
shall pass so when I say yeah I'm happy
01:16:50
right now I'm happy very happy are you
01:16:53
good at defending that happiness because
01:16:55
because the amount of you even described
01:16:56
it when you came off after your debut
01:16:58
the amount of people that are going to
01:16:59
want to talk to you and do an interview
01:17:01
in Israel Israel are you good at saying
01:17:03
no better I'm better at it now I never
01:17:05
used to be this is where I was talking
01:17:06
about the people pleaser thing back in
01:17:07
the day and this is why this year one of
01:17:11
my things is I don't get [ __ ] up
01:17:12
around people I don't like or I don't
01:17:14
know cuz I realize when I get drunk I'm
01:17:17
too nice I'm a friendly drunk I'm like a
01:17:19
[ __ ] golden retriever when I'm drunk
01:17:22
or black labrador I'm just like hey and
01:17:25
not everyone's your friend not everyone
01:17:27
wants the best for you but they'll just
01:17:29
take advantage and try and like you
01:17:31
know I just let my boundaries get
01:17:33
crossed too many times you know and I
01:17:35
let people get too close maybe like too
01:17:39
then the next day I'm just like why the
01:17:40
[ __ ] did I let that person you know ah
01:17:42
[ __ ] I wish I'd said no to that you know
01:17:45
then I start to like they'll eat at me
01:17:46
for the next few days so yeah um I I'm
01:17:51
getting and it's practice it's
01:17:53
constantly evolving but I know how to
01:17:55
say no now I just say and I don't have
01:17:57
to explain myself I literally just say
01:17:59
no because when you're explaining
01:18:00
yourself you're losing I learned that
01:18:02
from chill suon remember when I used to
01:18:04
listen to his podcast he said something
01:18:06
really profound like when you're
01:18:07
explaining yourself you're losing so I
01:18:08
don't explain myself I just say no if
01:18:11
that's like if someone like can I get a
01:18:12
photo can I I'm like I'm busy oh please
01:18:15
I'm like
01:18:15
no because it's like first of all you
01:18:17
see I'm having I'm on a date right now
01:18:19
and I said no or I'm walking with
01:18:21
someone right now having an intimate
01:18:22
moment and you're disturbing my peace so
01:18:24
I say no and if you try and like push
01:18:27
push okay no and some oh [ __ ] you know
01:18:30
they'll say something stupid oh well
01:18:32
[ __ ] Rubble Smasher anyway or whoever
01:18:35
your next opponent is I was like huh
01:18:36
okay then I just let them you know this
01:18:39
is why I didn't take a photo with you
01:18:40
boy if they sometimes at a restaurant
01:18:42
like if I say no to someone cuz I'm
01:18:44
having lunch or I'm on a date or
01:18:46
whatever and then they come up to me and
01:18:48
like I'm busy right now man all if they
01:18:51
leave me alone on my way out if I see
01:18:53
that person I and and they were and they
01:18:55
were nice and respectful I'd be like yo
01:18:57
you have your phone on you then we'll
01:18:58
take a photo cuz I'm like thanks for
01:19:00
being respectful cuz sometimes I can
01:19:02
understand people's judgment goes out
01:19:04
the way when they see a celebrity
01:19:05
apparently and I felt this way like I
01:19:07
said you just don't realize your
01:19:09
etiquette it's just so when when that
01:19:12
happens I don't hold it against them I'm
01:19:13
like it's learn Behavior like I said so
01:19:16
then
01:19:17
I'll yeah I'll take my time out of my
01:19:19
out of my day and just say what's up
01:19:21
afterwards but if they like you know oh
01:19:24
please please
01:19:25
I'm like bro you're not respecting my
01:19:27
boundaries you didn't respect my no I
01:19:28
need my no to be respected I said no why
01:19:31
because I [ __ ] said so that's it I
01:19:33
don't need to explain myself to you who
01:19:34
the [ __ ] are you I don't know you from a
01:19:36
bar soap and again you're more excited
01:19:39
to meet me than I am to meet you in in
01:19:41
the core of your being do you realize
01:19:43
that you're a star yeah I always knew so
01:19:45
I I knew I wasn't going to be regular I
01:19:47
I just knew like I was going to be great
01:19:50
at something I didn't know what it was
01:19:53
but I knew I was going to be great at
01:19:55
something I just knew even when I was
01:19:57
working my my last job I just I I'm
01:20:00
grateful for it cuz it showed me what I
01:20:01
didn't want in life I just knew this
01:20:03
isn't for me and what is that is that
01:20:05
self-belief that gets you there or is
01:20:08
that so is it is it you believing that
01:20:11
you're going to be great that got you
01:20:12
there or is it because you were innately
01:20:14
destined to be great I'm trying to
01:20:16
figure out if it's something that one
01:20:17
what came first a chicken or the egg
01:20:19
yeah there's levels there's people like
01:20:21
us we we're crazy in the sense that we
01:20:23
believe
01:20:25
to be it's almost delusional sometimes
01:20:27
you like what's the one I've heard this
01:20:29
quote on the JRE before it's like
01:20:31
greatness and Madness and next door
01:20:34
neighbors and they just borrow each
01:20:35
other sugar once in a while you know
01:20:37
what I mean so there's a point like I've
01:20:39
used a story of me when I used to drive
01:20:41
this beat up Honda and I'd shift the the
01:20:44
gear stick and I just do this you do
01:20:47
this I literally it was Madness I was me
01:20:50
preparing for having a sports car paddle
01:20:52
shifts so I shifted you know three boom
01:20:55
gear four boom and when I dropped
01:20:58
down you know same thing just like I was
01:21:00
getting ready I was I was this is I bro
01:21:03
I can manifest like a
01:21:04
[ __ ] do you believe in it in in
01:21:07
the metaphysical like sense you% 100%
01:21:11
everything comes from the imagination
01:21:14
everything comes from like before this
01:21:16
microphone was a microphone
01:21:19
someone somehow thought about it now how
01:21:22
can I speak into something that would
01:21:24
amplify my voice and blah blah blah BL
01:21:25
blah and then this came out of it and
01:21:28
it's evolved over the years but
01:21:29
everything comes from the imagination so
01:21:31
the power of the Mind people don't
01:21:33
understand we still don't understand I
01:21:34
still don't understand how powerful it
01:21:35
is I'm still learning but I know one
01:21:37
thing is I can make things happen I can
01:21:40
go to
01:21:42
levels I just can't tell the world but
01:21:44
like there levels that like I've
01:21:46
manifested things that I'm just like I
01:21:48
still shock myself like how the [ __ ] did
01:21:49
I make that happen and this is not even
01:21:51
to do with fighting this is to do with
01:21:52
my personal life and I'm like I made
01:21:55
that happen and this is through this
01:21:56
like manifesting subconsciously as well
01:21:59
just years of something just manifesting
01:22:01
manifesting and Bo it's right there I'm
01:22:03
just like [ __ ] I really made that happen
01:22:06
it's scary man it's scary for me to even
01:22:08
think about I reflect on that and almost
01:22:11
view it like getting in your car in the
01:22:12
morning when you get in the car in the
01:22:13
morning you set the
01:22:15
saav but then you've also got to drive
01:22:18
you've also got to go to training yeah
01:22:20
if you just set the saav where you going
01:22:21
to be sitting in the car sitting in the
01:22:23
[ __ ] car you sit there and make all
01:22:25
these dreams a manifest but you have to
01:22:26
work and what happens if you just drive
01:22:28
work if you drive and with no satav you
01:22:31
don't know where you're going you're
01:22:32
lost you know what I mean you have no
01:22:33
Direction so for me I feel like both of
01:22:36
them together when you when you really
01:22:38
when you have the vision and you're able
01:22:40
to manifest but then you also put the
01:22:41
work in Magic happens man magic that's
01:22:44
where the magic is but a lot of people
01:22:47
never get there unfortunately a lot of
01:22:48
people we're blessed that we can dream
01:22:52
amen we're blessed that we can dream
01:22:53
that's one thing I've realized a lot of
01:22:55
people even from the impoverished parts
01:22:57
of London will be will be lucky to have
01:22:59
my old job you know from where I'm from
01:23:02
from Nigeria a lot of people will be
01:23:04
blessed to have my old job and they'll
01:23:06
be like yo this is I have a great job I
01:23:08
can send money back home this and that
01:23:10
but yeah I just had bigger dreams I just
01:23:13
knew what I wanted so I feel like I'm
01:23:15
spoiled that I can I Can Dream the way I
01:23:18
I do and I can manifest the way I do so
01:23:21
I never take it for granted and I
01:23:22
realize the position I'm in I'm
01:23:23
privileged I'm very privileged I read a
01:23:26
quote about about immigrants
01:23:28
specifically from Nigeria and it said
01:23:29
our parents role was to try and figure
01:23:30
out survival and we're here sat blessed
01:23:33
with the task of self-actualization
01:23:35
which is like figuring out meaning and
01:23:37
they said what a beautiful thing that is
01:23:38
yeah they're just trying to survive of
01:23:40
find a way the next way to thrive see
01:23:44
like what's meaning and purpose and
01:23:46
happiness and that's why I feel like
01:23:48
even today the way the world is like the
01:23:50
problems of that we have especially with
01:23:52
all this devices and what not I'm like
01:23:55
you guys don't really have any real
01:23:56
problems like when people in New Zealand
01:23:58
start to complain about some stuff I'm
01:24:00
like you guys are really worried about
01:24:01
this it's like cuz there's no real
01:24:03
problem the police aren't trying to kill
01:24:05
the people constantly you know the
01:24:06
government isn't well they are [ __ ]
01:24:08
the people over but not the same way as
01:24:10
you know Nigerians have being [ __ ]
01:24:11
with by their government for so long so
01:24:14
it's like you really have any real
01:24:16
problems it's like they find things to
01:24:18
to fight about now like now we're
01:24:19
arguing about genders you know this kind
01:24:22
of stuff and it's like cuz there's no
01:24:23
really they're looking for problems
01:24:25
they're creating problems look if there
01:24:26
was some real [ __ ] going on like there's
01:24:28
there was like another War World War III
01:24:30
apparently is coming soon stay tuned
01:24:32
stay tuned yeah if that was happening or
01:24:35
aliens invaded do you think anyone will
01:24:37
give a [ __ ] about any of that [ __ ] [ __ ]
01:24:39
no no way we're worried about some real
01:24:42
[ __ ] happening you know so yeah I feel
01:24:44
like people just start to create
01:24:45
problems because we don't we need we
01:24:47
need struggle we need struggle in our
01:24:49
lives that's the thing Mo out there he
01:24:51
was the head of Google and he changed my
01:24:52
life for something he said about that he
01:24:54
said um um unhappiness is when your
01:24:56
expectations of how life is supposed to
01:24:58
be going go unmet so it explains why a
01:25:00
billionaire when his State comes and
01:25:03
it's not perfectly cooked he will be
01:25:05
[ __ ] furious because his expectation
01:25:07
was here and if it goes unmet the Delta
01:25:09
is unhappiness and if you go to where I
01:25:12
was from in Botswana getting a bowl of
01:25:14
rice expectation is I'm not going to eat
01:25:15
today bowl of rice the Delta is
01:25:17
happiness and it's the same thing you're
01:25:19
talking about with people you know their
01:25:20
problems are relative to their
01:25:22
expectations of life right facts last
01:25:24
question this one was written for you in
01:25:26
the diary by our previous guest what
01:25:30
question do you believe based on the
01:25:33
subject matter of the conversation we've
01:25:34
had today would have been interesting to
01:25:37
ask you that people don't usually ask
01:25:41
you I mean you touched on a few things
01:25:43
that normally don't even talk about like
01:25:46
relationships and kids a little bit
01:25:50
that's stuff that I really hold guarded
01:25:52
but uh have some funny ones in my head
01:25:54
bro I'm not going to talk about those go
01:25:57
for those
01:25:59
ones let me see
01:26:02
um I think diving into my my personal
01:26:06
life a little bit anything that has to
01:26:08
do with like family relationships or you
01:26:12
know like I said yeah family that I'm
01:26:14
going to have
01:26:16
uh I'm glad people don't though cuz like
01:26:19
I said I like to just keep those things
01:26:20
guarded but yeah and I think people kind
01:26:22
of get my love life is not for sale my
01:26:25
family's not for sale those kind of
01:26:26
things like I said I I won't I won't
01:26:29
sell for the consumption of people to
01:26:31
watch I'm not the Kardashians you know I
01:26:34
ain't Kanye West I ain't putting all my
01:26:35
business out there yeah so for me yeah I
01:26:38
keep those things guarded so I think
01:26:41
people kind of respect that understand
01:26:42
that so they don't push too much you get
01:26:44
like a little bit here every now and
01:26:46
then but not nothing too much yeah I
01:26:48
hear you thank you for your time today
01:26:50
it's want toly tremendous man like
01:26:53
you're a killer in so many ways but we
01:26:54
didn't even get to talk about the
01:26:55
marketing and The Branding side of
01:26:56
things levels there's ways I I mean I
01:26:59
did computer graphic design in in
01:27:01
college and I felt like some of the
01:27:04
stuffs I learned there really helped me
01:27:06
with my social media when it comes to
01:27:08
making my own highlights when I was
01:27:09
coming up you know posting all the anime
01:27:13
stuff as well but that's just me being a
01:27:15
big authentic self as well exactly
01:27:17
authentic expression of self if you put
01:27:19
it out there those who appreciate will
01:27:21
gravitate [ __ ] I like that as a bar
01:27:24
t-shirt yeah that's a bar those who
01:27:26
appreciate will gravitate I'm going to
01:27:28
keep that that's dope you add to your
01:27:30
T-shirt collection tell them more but
01:27:32
listen thank you so much for your time
01:27:33
for your grace your humility and your
01:27:35
openness as well means a lot meate
01:27:36
likewise my man and I'm going to look
01:27:38
into you a little bit more you because
01:27:40
this the thing whenever I like to meet
01:27:42
new people and learn about them so
01:27:43
hearing your story I'm just like man
01:27:45
that's still I'm like 700 million at 27
01:27:48
I didn't get all of it but yeah
01:27:51
respect thank you appreciate that you
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