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HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳

December 04, 2025 / 01:30

This episode discusses AI superintelligence, the potential risks of human extinction, and the gorilla problem in relation to intelligence. Guests include Richard Branson and Jeffrey Hinton, who signed a statement urging caution in AI development.

The conversation highlights concerns raised by over 850 experts regarding the safety of AI systems and the implications of creating something more intelligent than humans. The gorilla problem is used as a metaphor for the lack of control humans may have over AI.

The Midas touch is introduced as a cautionary tale, illustrating how greed drives companies to pursue AI technology despite the risks involved. The discussion emphasizes the dangers of unchecked technological advancement.

One guest is asked if they would halt AI progress if possible, and they express a belief that safety can still be achieved, indicating a cautious optimism about the future of AI.

TL;DR

Experts warn AI superintelligence could lead to human extinction; the Midas touch illustrates the dangers of unchecked greed in technology.

Episode

1:30
00:00:00
In October, over 850 experts, including
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yourself and other leaders like Richard
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Branson and Jeffrey Hinton, signed a
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statement to ban AI super intelligence
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as you guys raised concerns of potential
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human extinction.
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Because unless we figure out how do we
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guarantee that the AI systems are safe,
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we're toast.
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And you talk about this gorilla problem
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as a way to understand AI in the context
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of humans.
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Yeah. So, a few million years ago, the
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human line branched off from the gorilla
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line in evolution. And now the gorillas
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have no say in whether they continue to
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exist because we are much smarter than
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they are.
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So intelligence is actually the single
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most important factor to control planet
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earth.
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Yep.
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But we're in the process of making
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something more intelligent than us.
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Exactly.
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Why don't people stop then?
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Well, one of the reasons is something
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called the Midas touch. So King Midas is
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this legendary king who asked the gods,
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can everything I touch turn to gold? And
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we think of the Midas touch as being a
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good thing, but he goes to drink some
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water and the water has turned to gold.
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And he goes to comfort his daughter, his
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daughter turns to gold. So he dies in
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misery and starvation. So this applies
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to our current situation in two ways.
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One is that greed is driving these
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companies to pursue technology with the
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probabilities of extinction being worse
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than playing Russian roulette. And
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that's even according to the people
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developing the technology without our
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permission. And people are just fooling
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themselves if they think it's naturally
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going to be controllable.
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So if you had a button in front of you
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which would stop all progress in
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artificial intelligence, would you press
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it?
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Not yet. I think there's still a decent
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chance they guarantee safety, which I
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can explain.

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Episode Highlights

  • AI Safety Concerns
    Experts warn that without proper safety measures, humanity could face extinction due to AI.
    “We're toast.”
    @ 00m 17s
    December 04, 2025
  • Gorilla Problem Explained
    Using the gorilla analogy to discuss the implications of AI intelligence over humanity.
    “Intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet earth.”
    @ 00m 33s
    December 04, 2025
  • The Midas Touch and AI
    Exploring how the legendary Midas touch parallels our current AI development risks.
    “Greed is driving these companies to pursue technology with the probabilities of extinction.”
    @ 01m 01s
    December 04, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • We're toast.
    HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳
  • Intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet earth.
    HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳
  • Greed is driving these companies to pursue technology with the probabilities of extinction.
    HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳

Key Moments

  • AI Super Intelligence00:06
  • Gorilla Analogy00:18
  • Midas Touch00:42
  • Greed and AI01:01
  • AI Safety Debate01:19

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