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I've had patients go from stage four cancer to stage zero. So, I have now seen where the end of cancer is coming
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from. I've seen how the war is going to finish. And here's how. Dr. William Lee is a Harvard trained physician and
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medical scientist whose work is revolutionizing the way we understand and fight some of the most devastating
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diseases facing our world today. I'm going to give you a brand new view of thinking about cancer. And this is
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shocking to some people to hear, but every 24 hours there are 10,000 mistakes that are made in your body. Each of
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those is a microscopic cancer. But the reason that we don't become more sick from all kinds of diseases, including
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cancer, is because our body is hardwired with its own health defense systems. But
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here's the problem. We are presently seeing the fallout of some of the not so good moves that we made in the 1950s
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and60s and 70s. For example, people might consume as much as a credit card's worth of plastic every single week,
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which is very worrying, and I won't tell you why, but there's also the foods you eat, which contribute to taking your
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health defenses down. But the good news is that you can actually put shields up as well. So, this is our experiment, and
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we're trying to discover drugs that could be developed as cancer treatments. So, we said, let's remove half of them, and let's swap them out with food. You
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know, I I was a skeptic, but when I saw these results, it made my jaw drop
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because the holy grail in the pharmaceutical industry is to find something that can kill cancer stem cells. And we don't have a drug that can
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do that. Turns out, mother nature beat us to the punch. And there's more than 200 foods that I've studied that can
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actually starve cancers. And if you had to pick five based on the science you've seen, what would those top five be? The
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good news is that it's food that we can eat every single day. So, number one,
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much. Dr. William Lee, if someone has just clicked on this conversation and
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they're asking themselves, they're wondering what they're going to get out of spending this time with us for the
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next couple of hours, what would you say directly to them that they will learn, gain, and how will their life improve?
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I would say that you're going to hear about food in a brand new way that you
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didn't realize that a decision that you can make after this listening to this or watching this that you could put into
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action to your life immediately could actually help you for the rest of your life. It could stave off disease, help
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you feel stronger, even help you with longevity. Uh so there's no single moves
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that you can make but it's the beginning of taking steps that can actually allow you to live the rest of a long enjoyable
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life. And what are the the key diseases that people are and should be most concerned about today based on their
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correlation to the food that we eat? Yeah, if you look at the biggest health
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crises in the world today in developed countries, um you know, you're really
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talking about cardiovascular disease being the number one killer, diabetes, and all the consequences, the
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devastating consequences that come out. Listen, your blood sugar is not being very well regulated. That's the
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definition over time of diabetes. But the knock-on effect of having high
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uncontrolled sugars is really underlying metabolic chaos. There's a whole litany
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of terrible conditions that happens every downstream from that from eye disease to wounds that don't heal etc
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etc. Cancer is another one. Dementia is a big bigger and bigger problem as our
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population ages. And a lot of people don't re recognize this, but you know the the saying that inflammation is a
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root cause of chronic disease. Scientifically correct, but there are
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many many inflammatory diseases that are out there that don't get enough airplay
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that really take away the quality of your life as you get older. And so I think all of these things, it's not just
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about mortality, it's about morbidity. It's not just about living long, it's about living well and feeling good along
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the way. And where do you think we are as a society you especially as westerners as it relates to our
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relationship with health and food? Because when I look at some of the stats around life
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expectancy, there's been a bit been a bit of a stagnation in I think it was
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2020ish time. But then also when you look at a lot of these chronic diseases, whether it's diabetes, whether it's
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cancer, these things seem to be on the rise. So, as a nation, it feels like we've got more information than ever
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before, but when you look at the objective numbers, for some reason, we're not going in the right direction. What's your your 30,000 foot view on it?
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30,000 foot, there's more and more people in the world. So, once you get huge numbers, uh, the diseases that
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affect most people are going to magnify. So, just as a a matter of math, we're going to see more of these chronic
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diseases. Um, but we're also going to be seeing two things that are happening that uh actually oppose each other. One
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thing is that the lifestyle and dietary harms that have occurred
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over 20, 30, 50 years from the industrialization of food, from the
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industrialization of health care, from degradation of the environment. Those are all things that take time to
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manifest. And so to some extent we are presently seeing that the fallout of
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some of the not so good moves that we made in the 1950s and60s and 70s and so
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on and so forth. So decades later we're beginning to see the consequences devastation of things that happened
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decades ago. That's one side of elevating increasing the incidence and
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prevalence of of health conditions bad health conditions. There's another side that is counterveailing and the other
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side which is the side I that's the team I play on is it really exciting because
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one thing that's different is that we have now have tremendous scientific power to get in there and probe diseases
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and also indeed pro probe health which is something we're not doing often enough and in so doing we're actually
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able to find solutions to the problems that that counter some of those harms.
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So, we're beginning to discover now how do we actually prevent diabetes? How do
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we prevent cardiovascular disease? Can we reverse heart disease? And even conditions that seemed like no-win
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situations. And I like to talk about this is that in my career, I never
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thought as a physician I would actually see the cure to cancer, the end of
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cancer. But actually, I tell you, I have now seen where the end of cancer is
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coming from. I've seen how the war is going to finish because I've had well over a dozen patients and there are
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hundreds of people like this that are starting to form that can go from stage four cancer that's game over cancer to
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stage zero. We can do this. And it not for everybody yet, but we're beginning
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to see where the light at the end of the tunnel is. And it involves your immune system. And some of the remarkable
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scientific breakthroughs are teaching us that our body heals itself against
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diseases as serious as cancer in ways that the pharmaceutical industry can't
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by itself do, but it really relies on the body. So when you talk about food as
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medicine or medicine as medicine, none of them are as powerful as what the body
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is hardwired to do by itself. When I think about something like cancer, it's slightly terrifying because it feels
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like a game of roulette. It feels like the the people that get cancer, it's completely random and that our outcomes
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are also a game of roulette. And this is someone that knows very little about cancer. I hear someone that I thought was very very healthy get cancer and
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then their outcomes whether they they beat it or not also seem to be largely down to chance sometimes. That's how it
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seems. What do you think of that view? Yeah, I'm going to give you a brand new view of thinking about cancer and that
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is that we are all forming cancer in our bodies all the time from the time we
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were kids. you don't have clinical cancer, you haven't gone to the doctor to get a diagnosis, still start forming
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cancers. And let me tell you why. Cancers are like pimples in our body. All right? And this is shocking to some
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people to hear, but our the human body is made up of about 40 trillion cells.
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That's more cells in our body than stars in a clear sky. All right? And these
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cells have to divide uh to be able to reproduce themselves. uh copy and paste.
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Every cell has its own genetic material called DNA. It's our instructions for
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how our cells are work. So, you got to copy and paste uh your DNA. All right? Now, copy and pasting is a tricky thing
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to do really well. So, if I gave you a sentence to write, Stephen, and I said, "Copy it 10 times on a word document,
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you'll do it perfectly." If I get told you to copy it a thousand times, you're going to make a few mistakes. Good thing
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that we have spellch check to fix it, to catch it and fix it. But if I ask you to
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copy a single sentence 40 trillion times, you're going to make so many
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mistakes that your spell check isn't even going to be a to catch all of it. Okay? And that's what's happening in our
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body every single day as we are replicating ourselves. We're going to make mistakes. And whenever there's a
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mistake that's being made that isn't caught and fixed, that's a mutation. And
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so we have mutations that are forming in our body just as a matter just as an outcome of being alive and doing our
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thing and we're not sick from those mutations. But every mutation is the beginning of a microscopic cancer. Take
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a guess of how many mistakes in DNA of copying and pasting your own body uh are
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made every 24 hours. Take a guess. This has been calculated randomly. Well, you
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there's so many cells in my body. It's going to be a big number. A million. Okay. Every day, every 24
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hours, there are 10,000 mistakes that are made in your body that your body
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doesn't catch that keep on that propagate in the document of our body as it goes on. 10 10,000. Each of those is
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a microscopic cancer. A microscopic cancer is just that. It's microscopic. It's too small to be seen with the naked
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eye, but it's abnormal. And that thing could turn turn into a big tumor that could eventually kill you. So why don't
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we die from cancer all the time? Now this is actually something that I see as a physician. I have a patient diagnosed
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with cancer. They always ask me, "Dr. Lee, why me? Why did I get breast cancer, colon cancer, pancreatic cancer,
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brain tumor?" A very very uh natural question. And I do my best to try to
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provide an empathic answer to that question. But as a researcher, I have a
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more interesting question. Given the number of mutations that occur in our body every single day, why don't we get
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cancer more often? Why don't we all get cancer as kids? You know, cancer can
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happen in children, but not as often as we have mutations. And it turns out this was the great unlock for me in terms of
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health. The reason that we don't become more sick from all kinds of diseases,
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including cancer, is because our body is hardwired with its own health defense
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systems. So that we've got these swashbuckling defenses that are firing on all cylinders. All day long from the
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from the moment we're born until our very last breath, these systems that are inside our body defend our health,
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including the microscopic cancers, spots them, takes them out. kind of like a
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police cruiser patrolling a quiet neighborhood sees a drug dealer on the corner, pops them in the back of the
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police vehicle and takes them away cleaning up the neighborhood. That's how our body naturally cleans up these
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microscopic cancers. And so when you talk about cancer as a scary disease,
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you're thinking about the person whose body has failed to detect and eliminate
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the microscopic cancers and it's become large enough to actually become a threat. Now here's a question for you.
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So we tell women to actually do a self breast exam when they're taking a shower. You know, look for lumps or
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bumps and you know if you find one, you know, certainly go to your doctor immediately for an exam.
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The smallest cancer that you could feel with a trained person can feel with their with their hands in the breast is
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one centimeter in diameter. A 1 cm breast cancer already has 1 billion
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cancer cells that have already multiplied. That microscopic cancer multiplied a billion times. That's the
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smallest one you can feel. Now immune systems not taking that amount. All
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right? So, you need a better immune system if you I want a shot at this and not just chemo or hormonal therapy. And
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that's where some of these incredible advances are taking place. But there's another one. In order to feed a billion
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cancer cells, you need blood vessels to feed them. So, the cancers as they get bigger, they hijack our own circulation
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to feed themselves. Okay? It's kind of like terrorists kicking in the cockpit door to take over the controls of the
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plane. They want to actually get your blood vessels to feed themselves. Now normally the body knows how to control
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those blood vessels. It's called angioenesis. Angio blood vessels genesis
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how the body grows and controls them. That's my area of research. So naturally our body knows how to prevent blood
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vessels from feeding cancers and yet knows how to uh direct blood vessels to feed healthy tissues. So guess what? A
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one centimeter tumor with 1 billion cancer cells is fed by 100 million blood
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vessels courarssing into the tumor to feed them. And we've studied this in the laboratory. The moment that a single
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blood vessel touches a tumor, tiny microscopic tumor, it will grow 16,000
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times in size in just two weeks. Wow. All right. So, I've told you some scary
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statistics, but now let me kind of give you the where the breakthroughs are coming through. Right. So with this kind
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of knowledge, what do we what can we do with cancers? Not just breast cancers, but in general. Number one, we know that
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if you boost your immune system with foods, with exercise, diet, lifestyle,
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you're going to actually make your immune defense is a lot stronger to patrol your body to wipe out those
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microscopic cancers. That's why healthy diet lifestyle lowers the risk of
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cancer. That's why eating the right foods that boost your immunity can substantially lower your risk of cancer
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as well. We also know that you can eat foods that support, prompt up, fortify
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your body's natural ability to control blood vessels. Keep those blood vessels where they're supposed to be and get rid
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of those blood vessels where you don't want them to be, which is kicking in the cockpit to take over your circulation to
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feed cancers. So, if you eat foods like that are anti-androgenic foods that like are unstable, you've got um coffee and
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tea, both of those contain natural substances that cut off the blood supply
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and starve cancers. That's a good thing. So, that's why we know our what we do with our diet can actually help to lower
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the risk of cancer as well. I'm assuming the opposite also applies. I I could eat foods, I can drink things that cause my
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body to malfunction. I makes the blood vessels unregulated makes and starts to
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feed the cancer, right? Yeah, absolutely. So, let's talk let's talk a little bit about that. So, so I told you the body's hardwired with these
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defenses. Shields up, right? That's what we want to do because shields are already normally up. You want to raise
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them higher, but what about and this is a brilliant question you're asking a very probing question. What are the
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things that take your shields down, right? What are the things that turn off the smoke alarm in your house that
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unlock the doors? Can I take a guess? Is it
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this? Okay, now I know the answer that you're setting this conversation up for,
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which is a burger with meat. Uh, is that actually uh disease-causing? And I would
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I would tell you that yes and no. A burger is something that many people
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enjoy eating. And I would say eating meat, eating burgers, even eating
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ultrarocessed foods once in a while is not going to harm you if your health
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defenses are naturally strong. But if you make it a habit, a regular habit of
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eating this at the expense of eating healthier foods, more plant-based foods,
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less processed foods. Okay. Um, you are actually going to tip the uh your odds
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where the diseases are more likely to get you. What that what that means is that over eating fast foods like burgers
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will actually contribute to taking your uh health defenses down, shields down. So what are those things then that bring
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the shield down? You were saying okay excess sodium, too much salt, which can
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be present in a lot of restaurant foods. People eat out a lot, go to restaurants all the time. You ever you ever go to
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the back of a kitchen of a restaurant to see how they're salting seasoning their food? Patrons love salty food. It makes
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food taste really great. There's a, you know, our brains uh respond very well to
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salty food. That high sodium levels actually speeds up, accelerates our
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cellular aging, so we actually age faster. But it also um is a huge wear
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and tear on our health defenses, specifically our circulation, our our blood vessels, our androgenesis system
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is taken down by excess salt. Okay, I've got a question here. Obviously there's a a big movement at the moment around
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hydration and electrolytes and these electrolytes have magnesium, potassium,
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they have sodium in them. Yeah. So a lot of people are now taking electrolytes to hydrate themselves.
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Is there a a risk here? So the great news is that the healthy body has got
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its own titration system for electrolytes. If you drink a electrolyte
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fortified beverage, you're your body's going to take everything it needs and it's going to pee out the rest. You're
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going to eliminate through your urine. All right. However, sodium uh is one of those electrolytes is
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present like you're not drinking electrolyte fluid all day long, but sodium you're eating it in almost every food that you actually have except
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perhaps dessert, but maybe even then. And so this is one of the things that we realize is sodium is a high risk for
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hypertension, high blood pressure, inflammation of the lining of your circulation and that that sets up for a
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lot of badness downstream when it comes to your health and it takes down your circulation um health defenses that we
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talked about. High blood sugar can also do the same thing. So if you're eating an excess of added sugar, we all have
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heard by now glucose spikes and glucose crashes. I don't actually use those words by the way. I don't like to
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actually cast our body's metabolism in terms of spikes and crashes. I think
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those are fear words. They get attention. Uh they they do make you pay attention to it, but in fact really our
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the healthy body sort of has, you know, smooth ups and smooth downs. They're gentle slopes up and down of our blood
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sugar. And that's completely fine. All right? And and it should be like that. However, if you have an uphill climb of
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your blood glucose and it continues to stay up, that can actually happen if you're eating too much added sugar.
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Okay, added sugar, ultrarocessed foods. What happens is that your blood sugars,
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your intake of the sugar, glucose rises up up up and now your body has your
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metabolism to chase that blood sugar down and it's got to work harder and make more insulin. And eventually you
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just wear out that system and then you have a high blood blood glucose and an insensitive metabolism and that's the
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beginning of sort of the the dominoes starting to fall apart in your body. And
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so sugar, high blood sugar, added sugar is a problem. You get it from fruit, not a problem. Okay? No one's going to be
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eating a crazy amount of fruit. This is why extremes aren't good. Diversity. Switch it out. Keep it interesting for
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yourself. This is what our human nature uh wants anyway. Uh it's how we're hardwired. You you'll actually be fine.
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So salt, sugar, those are two offenders. Okay. Um alcohol is another one that
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actually can take down your health defenses over time. You know, people say, "Well, what about red wine? Isn't
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red wine healthy?" What I would say is that actually the fermented products the
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or the bioactives that come out of red grapes from the skin of red grapes that's found in red
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wine, those there can be some healthful properties of the resveratrol and other polyphenols that come out of uh that are
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in wine, but it's never the alcohol. It's not the alcohol in the beer, the wine, the whiskey. Nope. None, none of
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that is the alcohol is is a universal toxin. Toxic to your brain, toxic to your liver, toxic to your heart. Can't
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get away from that. Your body will recover. Shields up little. It can take a ding. It's like a, you know, like a
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drink is sort of like a driving behind a truck and it flings a little pebble right into your windshield. You might
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get a little spider in the windshield. Okay, don't worry. It'll repair itself. You You'll fix yourself. You'll bounce
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back. It's not going to break your windshield. But if you keep on drinking, you're actually gonna smash your windshield. And that's why alcoholism is
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so devastating to the health. But you know, regular a small amount of alcohol. So alcohol itself is is a toxin. Do you
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drink? Uh I I rarely drink and when I drink it's in moderation. Mhm. And I was
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thinking about stress as well. Does that bring down the So besides the foods you eat, other things that can compromise
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your health defenses? Uh, and by the way, there are five health defenses. We talked about blood vessels. We talked about immunity, but there's three other
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ones uh that are core to functioning in the healthiest way possible. If you want, if you want longevity, you need
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all five of your health defenses and more to be working in your favor. But stress, what does stress do? Lowers your
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immune system. Shields down. All right? Those microscopic cancers. Whoa. That's
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why stressful people are more vulnerable to de developing diseases like cancer. All right? Stress also causes your blood
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pressure to go up and causes uh neurotransmitters, hormones to be released from your brain and your kidneys, your adrenal glands that ought
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to wear down your circulation. Now your androgenesis system is also uh not
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functioning uh as well to protect yourself and keep good blood flow going where it needs to go. Now your
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circulation is actually down. Um so again, stress also can actually damage the DNA. We talked about naturally
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copying and pasting and having errors. add some stress to it. Now, it's kind of like um you're trying to copy that
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sentence I was telling you perfectly. Now, I'm going to come in and just smash your fingers down every now and then, and let's see if you actually make a
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mistake. You will. All right? Stress will actually do that. It's devastating to have so much stress continuously.
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Listen, by the way, I want to be really clear to anybody listening or watching this, a little stress is actually good
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for you. You know, like just being coddled all day long and living in a happy bubble. That doesn't that's not
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that's not good for our health either. We kind of get laxidasical. We let our guard down. Little stress. I mean,
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anybody who's hardworking, you know, successful knows that, you know, it's not the no pain, no gain. It's that the
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that the grit that goes along with it, which gives a little stress keeps us sharp, you know, uh which is a which is
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a good thing. You want to be on you want to be on. So, a little stress is good, but when that stress is unabated, it
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literally sinks your health defenses. It is just taking those shields down. Yeah, I've noticed that with myself. I've
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spent the last 10 years running businesses, a little bit more than 10 years now, but probably the last 13
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years running businesses. And the only times when I really get sick, where I'm
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like out for a week and I really, really feel it is one week
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after two weeks of stress. So when I say two weeks of stress, what I mean there is when something happens
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in my life business where that it's kind of chronic and it's enduring stress. I
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can deal with having a stressful day. I can deal with having two stressful days in a row. But when I've had like two
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weeks of an enduring issue, like an enduring angst or a problem, almost perfectly predictably, a
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week later, I'm sick. And I'm extremely rarely sick because I think I sleep really well. Like I think I eat really clean. And so it's taught me something
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about if I zoom out on that and see what's going on in my body, well eventually like my body's kind of my immune system is running out of energy
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almost more than your immune system. So when you're super stressed, it also interferes with your ability to sleep
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well. Yeah. When you're sleeping well, you know, sleeping is something that I was taught when I was a kid. When you're
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sleeping, you're resting. And when you're resting, you're not active, right? Well, that's just our physical self. It turns out when we're sleeping,
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even though our muscles may not be moving like we are during the day, in fact, a lot of other systems including
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our health defenses are being repaired, renewed, regenerated, rebooted while we
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are sleeping. So in those ideally eight hours, 7 to n hours, eight's the sweet,
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sweet number, you know, our brain is cleansing itself, detoxifying itself, releasing. Do you know about the
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lymphatic system in the brain? Not as well as you do. Okay. Well, there's a there's a um sewer system of the gra of
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in our brains that's called the glimpmphatic system and it's shut tightly during the daytime when we're
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using our brain doing our work uh whatever we're doing and during the day we accumulate a lot of uh toxins in
00:26:41
inside our brain during the day. It's just a matter of functioning. All right? And what happens is that those toxins
00:26:46
accumulate which is that you know at the end of a really really tough hard day.
00:26:51
You got if not a headache you've got your you feel like your brain is it's full. It's the cup runth over. Right.
00:26:57
All right. So when you go to sleep guess what this sewer system it's like the sewers of par underneath Paris. The
00:27:04
grates open up suddenly and it drains those toxins out while you're sleeping.
00:27:10
And only when you get good sleep. So, when you're stressed and you're not getting good sleep, you start to
00:27:15
accumulate these toxins that are never quite cleaned up and your brain is not that cleaned up. When your brain's not
00:27:20
cleaned up, you're feeling foggy. So, think about the, you know, when you're in college, you pull an allnighter or
00:27:27
you go to a party or whatever and you're and you're staying up all night, you're never quite the same. It takes a while
00:27:32
for your brain to clean up itself. When your brain is foggy, you tend to not make as good decisions. I'm too tired to
00:27:39
work out. I'm too tired. I don't care what I eat. I'm just hungry. I'm going to eat anything. You start to make bad decisions when it comes to diet and
00:27:45
lifestyle. You see? So, it's a it it the stress can cascade on your health like
00:27:50
that. Is there a certain stage of sleep where the glimpmphatic system kicks in? Yeah. It's during like the deep REM
00:27:57
sleep. Okay. That dreaming sleep. Okay. And that usually comes later in the night as well. Correct. Correct. And in
00:28:03
more qual quantity later in the night. So, you need to really be getting a lot of sleep. Now, the other thing about
00:28:08
deep sleep is while you're sleeping really deeply, your metabolism is also
00:28:14
burning down fat. So, you think that you're not working out during the night, you're right, you're not actually
00:28:20
exercising, but in fact, your metabolism is burning fat because while you're sleeping and your insulin levels don't
00:28:27
need to be high because you're not eating, insulin levels go down, your metabolism shifts gears. I I sort of
00:28:34
give people the analogy. It's like your your body is a race car, sports car,
00:28:39
like a Ferrari. During the day, you are in gear to drive, accumulate speed, and
00:28:46
and you're you're revving your engines. At night, you shift gears where you're actually burning down fat. You don't
00:28:53
need to accumulate more fuel. Now, you're burning down the fuel. So, when you're sleeping, you're actually burning away fat. But when you don't sleep well
00:29:01
or you don't sleep long enough, you're not burning down that fuel. That fuel accumulates, day or two of not good
00:29:08
enough sleep, that's that's okay. Think about flying overseas, getting some jet
00:29:13
lag. You got to catch up. Once you get catch up, you feel better. All right? But think about this like day in and day out. Chronically stressed people are
00:29:19
never getting good sleep. Add a little booze, alcohol to the to the equation. You can kind of see the problems that
00:29:25
are going to build up. Your brain's going to be foggy. your metabolism is going to be out of whack. You're not burning as much fat from the calories
00:29:31
that you ate during the day. Now, inflammation starts to uh rise in your body and that inflammation really takes
00:29:38
down your health defenses and now you're much more vulnerable. So, in your own example of where chronic stress leads to
00:29:47
poor sleep and then you get sick, no surprise. If we go back up the thread
00:29:52
there, we were talking about the sort of individual perspective on cancer. And I was looking at some stats here and it says that the number one Google search
00:29:59
related to cancer is breast cancer. One in two people will develop some form of cancer during their lifetime. That's according to the NHS. Cancer is the
00:30:05
second highest leading cause of death worldwide. And by 2040, there will be 28 million new cases of cancer each year
00:30:11
worldwide. But one of the most shocking things that I saw was that globally early onset cancer incidents has risen
00:30:18
by about 80% by 1990 and 2019. And there was an article
00:30:24
which I'd sent to my team a couple of weeks ago. It's it's called the worrying puzzle behind the rise of early onset
00:30:30
cancer. And it says that there are rising cases of breast collateral and other cancers in people in their 20s,
00:30:36
30s and 40s. And it posits the question, what is going on? Over the last 10 years, rates of colorctyl cancer among
00:30:44
25 to 49 year olds has increased in 24 different countries, including the UK,
00:30:49
US, France, Australia, Canada, Norway, and Argentina. I mean, what is going on? Yeah, that's a big question.
00:30:57
So, are we seeing the results of more harms in our environment that we're
00:31:04
being exposed to that are more toxic and leading to earlier incidents of clinical
00:31:11
cancer? They're talking about clinical diagnosed cancer, not the invisible microscopic ones that are forming all
00:31:16
the time. Um, it's yes, it's very worrying. Are we be exposing ourselves to something that is more commonly
00:31:25
encountered today than before? Number one. Number two, are our defenses being
00:31:30
taken down by forces that we didn't appreciate are compromising us? Most
00:31:36
likely both. It's most likely uh I mean the human makeup hasn't changed and so it's got to be the fact a combination
00:31:43
that we're being exposed to more harmful things and though some of those harmful
00:31:48
things are actually that you know provoking more cancers but and we're also being exposed to things that take down our health defenses. So the balance
00:31:55
is being tipped against us and it's true. I can tell you that when I went to medical school I mean colorectile cancer
00:32:02
was something that you rarely saw in people even in their 50s. it was for much older uh people. Uh now to see uh I
00:32:11
mean there's even teenagers that have actually developed colurectal cancer which was unfathomable. So I will tell you one
00:32:18
thing that's actually arisen in terms of like what are some of the clues of these things that could be happening right? So
00:32:23
we are talking about climate change and all the things that are happening in our environment. That's a that's almost too
00:32:29
big a conversation to have to answer a question like this. But we I think we
00:32:34
cannot afford to ignore the fact that the environment, the climate that we
00:32:40
live in has changed. But there are other things that we're beginning to unearth
00:32:46
that we didn't realize until just within the last few years. And one of them is the is how many inflammatory
00:32:51
microlastics we are ingesting. When I was growing up, uh my mom very uh
00:32:59
well-intentioned would store foods in plastic leftovers. Uh, and we'd buy
00:33:06
foods that came in plastic packages, right? We wouldn't think think second have a second thought about it. A
00:33:13
plastic cup, styrofoam cup, go to a picnic, you're eating off of a plastic plate, right? I mean, these are all
00:33:18
common uh experiences that we all have uh in the modern developed world. Well,
00:33:24
what if I told you that we now realize that the plastic touching food can shed
00:33:30
the plastic itself as microparticles into the food and then we eat the food and okay, we've known this for maybe
00:33:38
more than a decade. Maybe there's little plastic particles uh that come off, but
00:33:43
you know, hey, there's no harm, right? We we haven't been able to discover it. I I used to say that. Now, just within
00:33:49
the last few years, we're beginning to pinpoint that number one, it does
00:33:55
plastics can actually embed themselves in our body. We even know where we also
00:34:00
know that these plastics uh are associated with inflammation. That is a big red flag.
00:34:07
The claxon alarm should start going off. And third is that the volume of plastics
00:34:12
that we're consuming is crazy. There was a study that came out recently that showed that in normal autopsies of
00:34:20
people that didn't die of a brain problem that when they were doing the autopsies and looking for plastic that
00:34:28
we could find them. And the amount of plastic that was found in the average human
00:34:33
brain is about the amount you'd find in a typical plastic picnic spoon just
00:34:39
distributed throughout the brain. This is like a normal this is a person who's died of something else. Wow. Does that
00:34:45
mean that you know like you and I are actually you got a plastic spoon worth of plastic in our brain. There's been
00:34:50
some people that calculated and this has been the actual calcul math has been challenged but there was an estimate
00:34:56
that you know some people might consume as much as a credit card's worth of plastic every single week in their food
00:35:02
if they're not careful about it. And let me just tell you where we're finding microplastics. And you know I want to get to the point where we're talking
00:35:07
about the healthy foods that can actually turn the ship around. How do we turn the battleship of of unhealth back
00:35:15
to health? So, we're back on the course that everybody wants to go to. We want to go to that north. How do we find our
00:35:20
northstar for health? So, I do want to get to that, but let me just say something about microplastics. We've now found
00:35:26
microplastics in the brain. As I mentioned to you, we found it in a bloodstream. A group in Italy actually
00:35:33
looking at men who had narrowing of the corateed artery. That's the blood vessel
00:35:38
feeding the brain from comes from the heart right to the brain the corateed artery. Oh through the neck through the
00:35:44
neck. They found that the narrowing that can occur in some men can accumulate
00:35:49
plastic. They can actually find plastic particles. There's photographs of the chunks of plastic the particles
00:35:55
fragments of plastic in there. And they followed them over a period of time. Those men who had plastic embedded in
00:36:02
their blood vessel lining had a four-fold increase in the chances of having a fatal heart attack or a stroke
00:36:08
years later. 400%. Four four-fold. Yeah. Okay. Now, that's that's not kidding,
00:36:14
right? So, now you're now we're beginning to take notice of this, but we're also finding microplastics in
00:36:20
breast milk. We're finding microplastics in testicles. We're finding microplastics in human semen.
00:36:28
How does it get there? And urologists who are doing surgery on the penis are
00:36:33
finding that in in the human flesh when they look under the microscope, we never
00:36:38
used to look for this. Now we're looking for it, that there's even microplastics in the flesh of the penis. Okay. So if
00:36:46
anybody listening this isn't taking notice about microplastics now, it's time to start thinking about this. So
00:36:52
one of the questions is and I'm not saying that the rise in rate of cancers that we're seeing is due to
00:36:59
microplastics. What I what I am saying is that we're beginning to wake up to the fact. So let's close off on
00:37:06
microplastics. What are the the easy wins in our lives? Do you think when you think about microplastics? Is it just
00:37:12
removing anything plastic that I eat from or are there some sort of easy cheap wins? Is it my shampoo? Is it my
00:37:18
frying pan? Is it a container? Yeah. So, I always tell people that the easiest way to lower your exposure to
00:37:25
microplastics is to throw out your plastic cups, your plastic plates, and your plastic silverware. Mhm. Okay. And
00:37:33
get ceramic or glass. Uh that's the best way to actually avoid those. And also,
00:37:39
when you're buying food, try to avoid food that comes clearly packaged in plastic. All right. Now, I do want to
00:37:45
point out one thing because right here on this table, we are looking at a tray full of beverages and I can already
00:37:52
identify the matcha and this looks like a cup of coffee and we've got English
00:37:58
breakfast tea. I've done a lot of research on tea. All right, but I'm noticing something that green tea, which
00:38:04
is universally healthy, the polyphenols in green tea lower the risk of inflammation. They actually improve your
00:38:11
metabolism, lower your risk of cancer. They're heart healthy. Before you take that sip though, let me tell you, I see
00:38:17
a tea bag in there. Okay? And there's different ways of brewing your tea. It turns out
00:38:23
research from the University of Montreal have now shown that um tea bags can shed
00:38:29
microplastics. So you can have a billion particles of microplastic shed from a
00:38:34
single teabag. Okay. All right. So I just changed your mind, right? So look, this is the power of awareness and
00:38:41
understanding. I probably should have stopped you. What was you were like, why didn't you save my life? You let me
00:38:47
drink it first, but I've I sp as you were doing it. I was like, uh uh. All right. But look, there's another
00:38:54
there's another one there that's got uh lemon ginger tea. This is like an herbal tea. That's fine. Listen, um I I would
00:39:00
also tell you with flavored teas, just be cautious. Like always check anything that's been machined to
00:39:06
be a little bit more than nature. Tea bags are supposed to be paper, right? Well, in order to prevent the paper from ripping, the the manufacturers of the
00:39:13
tea bag spray it with a small amount of plastic to have it hang together better. And that's the plastic that comes off.
00:39:19
But what about the lemon and ginger in this lemon ginger tea? That that sounds so appealing and calming, right? And and
00:39:26
something that most people would find nice as an herbal tea. Well, listen, you're you're relying on a factory to
00:39:32
actually put that lemon flavor, ginger ginger flavor. Is it real lemon or is it real ginger? always look at the
00:39:38
ingredient label to know what's in there or just buy your own tea and squeeze your own lemon and and add your own
00:39:44
piece of ginger. These are ways to actually kind of avoid the uh potential
00:39:50
exposures to toxins that come from ultrarocessed food. So all this conversation about, you know, avoid
00:39:56
ultra ultrarocessed foods and watch out for all those harmful things, you know, it's actually quite easy to dodge them
00:40:02
if you just have in your mindset that you're just going to make it yourself. And it's uh absolutely easy. Now, I will
00:40:08
tell you in something interesting about English breakfast tea. We did research at the Androgenesis Foundation, the
00:40:14
nonprofit I I looked at, to look at um different types of teas, different types of green tea, Japanese tea, Chinese
00:40:20
jasmine tea, uh English tea. And we were always assuming, again, this is the
00:40:27
power of food as medicine research. We were always assuming that the green tea is going to be the best. I'd always
00:40:32
heard that Japanese green tea is going to be like the ultra best. And what we found was that English tea, specifically
00:40:39
Earl Grey tea, actually was the most potent when it actually supported your blood vessels, your body's defense
00:40:46
system for angioenesis to keep your circulation healthy. Wow, what a surprise that is. And this spoke to me
00:40:53
about the fact that we can't make assumptions. We need to look at facts. We need to look at data. And so I'm a
00:40:59
big fan of Earl Gray. Now, now what could what what might make Earl Gray give Earl Grey a superpower? Well, this
00:41:07
is where knowing a little bit about what you're eating is actually useful because Earl Grey is a fermented is a is a black
00:41:14
tea. It's got bergamut in it and bergamut is a kind of a citrus. So, maybe it's combining those uh
00:41:21
ingredients that actually provides the superpower. But I do see matcha on this
00:41:26
uh uh tray. I want to tell you about matcha because it is a matcha is truly a
00:41:33
superenriched polyphenol enriched tea. A lot of people don't realize it. There's no tea bag in it. So don't worry. So a
00:41:41
lot of people think about matcha uh as just another green tea, but it's not
00:41:46
another green tea. It is made with green tea leaves, the same kind of green tea leaves, but uh as you would find in any
00:41:52
green tea. However, it's what's the composition of matcha? Matcha is green
00:41:59
tea that is before it's ready for harvest is grown under a shade that
00:42:05
changes its chemical structure, natural chemical structure a little bit. So, it's got a lot of potency to it. And
00:42:10
what happens with matcha is they take the tea leaf, they take out the stem of the
00:42:15
green of the of the green tea leaf and they ground up the actual leaf into a powder. Now, what's in that green tea
00:42:22
leaf? You've got not just some of the polyphenols that might steep out in the
00:42:28
cup, whether you're using a tea bag or or loose leaf tea, you are getting all the polyphenols suspended in that. So
00:42:34
now you get 100% polyphenol, okay, in matcha. So go ahead. You're go ahead do
00:42:40
it. That one's good. All right. Okay. For matcha and because you're getting
00:42:46
the tea leaf ground to it, you're also getting your dietary fiber. The dietary fiber is good for your gut health, your
00:42:52
microbiome, good for uh your metabolism, good for lowering inflammation. And the
00:42:57
polyphenols found in green tea have also been matcha matcha tea have also been
00:43:03
found in the lab to kill breast cancer stem cells. What's a breast cancer stem
00:43:10
cell? What's a stem cell? Cancer stem cell. Well, look, stem cells are these renewable cells. All right? And um
00:43:17
cancers contain stem cells that help the cancers come back, right? If you got
00:43:23
cancer, you get it treated. One the one thing you don't want it to do is to come back. So um and by the way, other foods
00:43:28
can also do kill cancer stem cells. Purple potatoes uh that you might have
00:43:33
seen in the market. They're um kind of purpley looking on the outside. Slice it open, dark purple on the inside. All
00:43:40
right. Turns out that those purple potatoes have something called anthocyanins. Purple potatoes have been studied in a
00:43:46
lab, okay, at Penn State University and been shown to kill colon cancer stem
00:43:52
cells which contribute to the colon cancer coming back. So, full disclaimer, I am I made a very very big investment
00:43:58
uh a seven figure investment into a matcher company a couple of years ago. And if you look at the search trend data
00:44:07
on the subject of ma matcher, I don't know if you've seen this, but that's I'll throw it up on the screen for anyone that's watching on video, but you
00:44:14
can see how it's just come out of nowhere. It seems it's exploded. And when you say that matcha cells have an
00:44:21
impact on breast cancer cells, what does that mean in reality? Does it? Because obviously the the the conclusion one
00:44:28
might jump to is that if you drink matcha, you're lowering your risk of breast cancer, but that's not
00:44:33
necessarily what you're saying. What what I what I am saying is that drinking green tea in its most healthful form,
00:44:40
okay, um raises your body's health defense systems. And by having better health defense systems, better immunity,
00:44:47
better control of your blood vessels, better control over your DNA and those mutations, and if you can actually kill
00:44:53
some of those stem cells, cancer stem cells, that's going to be in your favor as well, that is overall going to
00:45:00
actually lower your risk of cancer. And so I think that, and by the way, the other thing that green tea and matcha
00:45:07
can actually do is improve your metabolism. It's it's really pretty much all good. I my great uncle by the way
00:45:14
lived to 104 years old, vital, intact, uh independent. He told me that he
00:45:20
attributed his longevity and his vitality to the fact that he lived at
00:45:26
the base of a mountain that grew tea. That every morning he got up and he
00:45:32
walked up. He walked up stone steps, a stone path to a tea garden and he had freshly picked tea. It's all organically
00:45:39
grown and everything. And he and he drank tea all day long. He probably had 10 cups of green tea a day. And this has been his whole life. He sat with his uh
00:45:47
uh close friends who are also very vibrant and and elderly. Um social
00:45:53
connection. All right. Watch the sunrise. It's very calming. Do you drink it? Absolutely. Um I've got to just
00:46:00
going up the the thread again a little bit. You mentioned the word colurectal. Where is the colarctyl? All right. So,
00:46:07
we have a little um model here cuz I'm asking this because I'm wondering why that type of cancer is increasing. So,
00:46:14
is there is there a particular reason why? Well, okay. So, let's do a quick uh
00:46:21
medical school uh course crash course for podcasters.
00:46:27
Um the the gut, we talk about gut health. Most people think of the gut as
00:46:32
sort of lower down in your belly or maybe even just your stomach. But the gut actually starts in your mouth and it
00:46:38
runs down down down about 40 feet worth of stuff organs u your esophagus, your
00:46:43
stomach, your small intestines, your large intestines. By the way, these squigglies are your small intestines.
00:46:49
All right. This blue is your large intestines. This is like a it's shaped like a horseshoe. It's big thick tube
00:46:56
that that's kind of framing your small intestines. And then it goes down the
00:47:01
poop shoot, the rectal, and the anus. That's the end of your gut. All right? So, the colon is really the large uh
00:47:10
framing thick part of the gut. It's near the very end. All right? So, all this squiggly small intestines winds up here
00:47:19
uh at the beginning of the colon. The colon goes up. It's called the ascending colon. And then it makes a sharp angled
00:47:25
turn right across your belly. Kind of like a belt right across your belly. This is colon here and then it goes to
00:47:31
the descending colon. Take the elevator down down down down down. You see the blue down going down and then it kind of
00:47:37
takes a little jog at the very end and goes down into your rectum and your anus. Okay. Right. So the blue thing is
00:47:43
my colon. So this is where cancer incidence is rising in young people. So you're talking about the rising
00:47:50
incidence of colctal cancer. That could be a cancer that's typically uh either on the right side of the colon either
00:47:57
the going up up the upside up the elevator. Yeah. Or down the elevator. On the right side of the left side. Okay.
00:48:03
Okay. It turns out that we've known for a long time that unhealthy diets are
00:48:10
linked to a higher risk of colorectal cancer specifically processed meats. So
00:48:16
the World Health Organization contains considers processed meats, salami, bologna, ultrarocessed, you know, kind
00:48:23
of deli meats, delicates, meat you find in delicates. All right. Um th those
00:48:29
would be uh considered uh carcinogens and and they're they're they
00:48:36
are uh highly linked to an increased risk of bowel cancers. Now, why would that be? Well, it turns out that think
00:48:42
about it. If you're eating a ton of meat, all right, you're actually exposing the gut to a lot of those
00:48:48
processed meat carcinogens that when it sits around in your colon, not one, not not once in a while, go to the ball
00:48:55
game, have a hot dog, enjoy yourself, but if you eat it day in and day out, you're giving a lot of exposure uh to
00:49:03
your gut. This term angiogenesis, you talked about the link that that has to cancer. Angioenesis
00:49:10
from my um novice understanding is how the blood cells provide blood to
00:49:15
different parts of our body. Right? And in the case of cancer there's this the angioenesis system is making a
00:49:24
mistake. Is that a simplified version of it? Yeah. So angioenesis which is the field I studied study you break it down
00:49:33
it to to what it's elemental parts of angio blood blood vessel genesis how the body grows and maintains them so
00:49:40
androgenesis is how our body grows and maintains our circulation a lot of people don't know this but our
00:49:45
circulation is one of our body's health defense systems and it's so extensive that in a typical adult there are 60,000
00:49:53
miles worth of blood vessels packed inside our body. These are the highways and byways that deliver blood to every
00:50:00
organ and tissue. But that means that they also deliver the air we breathe, the oxygen we're breathing in, and the
00:50:07
nutrients that we're eating. So we eat good things, they're going into our bloodstream, and our blood vessels, our androgenesis systems develing to every
00:50:14
cell in the body. Now you eat something bad similarly or you breathe something in bad, similarly those blood vessels
00:50:20
are delivering something negative. Now inside the blood vessels um is a lining. It's called a the lining is like a clear
00:50:28
like a plastic wrap inside the blood vessel called the endothelial layer.
00:50:34
That's like a layer of ice like on an ice skating rig to ensure that
00:50:39
everything in the blood vessels are flowing smoothly without getting caught on the walls. So when you have
00:50:45
cardiovascular disease, too much uh uh too much salt to hypertension. When you
00:50:50
have diabetes where you're actually wearing down the lining of the blood vessels, endothelial layers being damaged. It's like um damaging the
00:50:57
lining of your angioenesis defense system has really deadly consequences because it's like scraping up the ice on
00:51:05
an ice skating rink. You know, uh if you actually have a lot of ice skaters on a rink, after a while it's unskatable,
00:51:13
right? You can't get on it. And what will happen in your bloodstream is then elements in your blood get caught along
00:51:19
the walls and they build up and that's actually how blood vessels narrow up. So that's one of the areas of of of so
00:51:26
androgenesis actually is intended to deliver oxygen and nutrients to the
00:51:31
tissues that need it for to maintain your health. But because it's so critical, it's also very very carefully
00:51:38
controlled so you don't have blood vessels growing where they should not be growing. like in your joints, in your
00:51:45
eyes, or of course to cancers. You don't definitely don't want to be feeding cancers by delivering oxygen or
00:51:52
nutrients to them. I've got this graph which shows different things that cause more or less
00:51:58
angiogenesis. If you've seen this graph, but okay. So, you are showing a graph that I I generated my my organization
00:52:06
generated. And this is actually you're looking at the experiment that got me into food as medicine. Let me explain to
00:52:13
you the experiment. Um I'll just put I'll put it over here. So um so we were
00:52:19
studying at one point drugs and we're trying to discover
00:52:24
drugs that could be developed as cancer treatments. So what we're looking for are drugs that could cut off the blood
00:52:30
supply to tumors. So we were screening uh lots of chemicals that biotech
00:52:36
companies were developing and inventing and professors were inventing and said hey can you take a look to see if this
00:52:42
could be a worthwhile drug that could cut off the blood supply to a tumor as a cancer treatment. All right and at the
00:52:47
time there were no such treatments. So it was all discovery like this was you know like the like the golden age of
00:52:54
discovery when it came to androgenesis. We were testing oh my gosh this thing could really stop blood vessels. Could
00:53:00
we develop this into our cancer treatment? Ultimately, yes. The answer was yes. But we were looking for them. And we would f and so we developed a
00:53:06
system where we could add a substance into a laboratory test system to see if
00:53:13
blood vessels would grow or shrink. And so here on this graph, you can see at
00:53:18
the very top a very long bar of blood vessels growing. That's normal, healthy
00:53:24
blood vessels growing out as long as they can. And then what we would do is we would throw drugs into it and we
00:53:31
would see if we could actually shrink them up. And so some of the uh shorter bars uh uh are uh cancer drugs. Uh you
00:53:38
can see them uh in this color in blue. Not surprisingly, some of the cancer
00:53:44
drugs were making the blood vessels smaller. Hey, this could be a good candidate drug. And we were also testing
00:53:49
other uh drugs that were available, not used for cancer to see if they would work. Sure, we discovered some of those,
00:53:55
too. But I did something a little bit subversive and as you know, you know, if you want to be disruptive, you got to
00:54:01
sometimes um disrupt yourself in order to be able to do this. So this is our experiment that we were doing at the
00:54:06
Androenesis Foundation. We decided to disrupt ourselves. So we said, we have a whole system of drugs to test. Let's
00:54:13
remove half of them and let's swap them out with powders that came from
00:54:18
food. All right? Just to see what would happen. And when we actually tested
00:54:23
foods in the same system used to develop drugs, food as medicine, tested in the
00:54:29
same system that medicines are developed, we found what you see on this bar chart in red, we actually found that
00:54:36
dietary factors, stuff that's found in food, could actually cut down the blood
00:54:43
supply that would be growing to feed a cancer. In other words, there's anti-angioenic foods. You can see the
00:54:50
green tea. You could see the onions and garlics and red grapes and strawberries. Um, it was really an eye openener to me
00:54:56
for when I saw these results. It made my jaw drop and I said, "My god, foods have
00:55:04
potency just like drugs." I was I was a skeptic. All right. And I and it just
00:55:10
made me realize like this is something that I had to pursue. This was an area of research that I
00:55:15
absolutely had to actually look further into. A drug takes a decade and a
00:55:22
billion or more dollars to be able to develop from uh from scratch to reaching a patient and then not everyone who
00:55:29
needs a treatment can actually get the drug. But a food has immediiacy. If you discover something amazing about a food,
00:55:36
whether it's matcha, whether it's purple potatoes, whether it's a strawberry, that could that that that immediacy
00:55:43
could be used beneficially without toxicity. All right? Uh and affordably.
00:55:49
And so I just saw this as this was this experiment is what brought me into the realm of food is medicine. So I'm going
00:55:55
to ask some stupid questions here. So on here I can see that for example soy extract causes less angiogenesis which
00:56:03
what I understand is the the growth of these blood vessels. But does that mean that if I have lots of soy extract or
00:56:11
arichoke or parsley or berries that it's going to cause other parts of my body
00:56:17
not to grow blood cells? So this is the great question that let let me kind of reframe the question as you're asking
00:56:23
it. If uh experiments are able to show that certain foods can uh prevent blood
00:56:30
vessels from growing, will that actually cause a problem with your body's health defenses to keep blood vessels from
00:56:37
growing in healthy tissues? Yeah. All right. Answer is no. And here's why. as a health defense system. Our
00:56:43
androgenesis system is completely designed to yoke in the right number of
00:56:50
blood vessels to give just amount just the right amount of blood flow. Not too much, not too little. I call it the
00:56:56
Goldilocks zone. You know, Goldilocks a fairy tale. Um, you know, the bears were
00:57:01
home invaders. They broke into the house and they were looking for chairs and porridge and beds. Not too hot, not too
00:57:06
cold, but just right. All of our health defenses, including the androgenesis health defense, is hardwired to keep the
00:57:13
body just right. So, what that means is that eating foods like artichokes or
00:57:19
strawberries or soy can actually help your body prevent extra blood vessels
00:57:25
from growing towards cancer, for example, and and other diseased tissues, but it will not override the body's
00:57:32
natural ability to get the right amount of blood vessels to the right tissue. So you don't have to worry about starving
00:57:38
your healthy tissues. You're just uh cutting off the bad blood vessels of the tissue. I can I call it like a
00:57:44
landscaper on a golf course that that breaks out the lawn mower to mow that uh
00:57:49
the golf course so it's got a perfect level um of the lawn. You're not going to actually uh carve out a bald spot uh
00:57:57
in on in a country club. You're going to get just the right amount. Similarly, and um we're not talking about this
00:58:04
graph. There's another graph that can actually show foods that you can eat that can grow blood vessels, healthy
00:58:09
blood vessels where you want them. And it turns out things like fruit peel uh
00:58:14
uh can actually do that. And barley can grow new blood vessels. And dark chocolate can actually help to support
00:58:19
blood vessels as well. And some of these things can also work on both sides of the equation. They can prune away the
00:58:24
bad extra blood vessels and it can grow them whenever you need them. So your body is sort of like the gardener
00:58:30
extraordinaire. and knows exactly how to actually tend. You give them the right ingredients, they know exactly where to
00:58:36
put the grass seed, and they know exactly where to mow the lawn. Have you ever had cancer in your family? Yes. Um,
00:58:44
cancer's touched my family like it has for most people. Um, I had two uncles
00:58:51
uh years ago that passed away. One passed away from colon cancer, one passed away from liver cancer. And, you
00:58:57
know, I was a doctor at the time. And so I felt so uh
00:59:03
helpless uh because as a doctor I could I could diagnose I could lay hands on I
00:59:10
could feel the hard liver I could feel the masses and I felt at the time
00:59:16
helpless even though I was doing the research cancer research and finding future paths I felt like this was we
00:59:23
we're we're not there yet and we can't I couldn't help him. I felt I felt
00:59:28
powerless. Fast forward, we're now at a point where we're beginning to see the light at the
00:59:35
end of the tunnel. And my mother, when my mother had cancer, so my uncle's
00:59:40
sister, my mother, wound up having endometrial cancer, she was 80 years old. one day um had some bleeding, went
00:59:48
to the hospital, found a mass, she had a hyerectomy to remove her uterus and
00:59:55
ovaries, and they found in there an endometrial cancer. That's a cancer, the lining of the uterus. The surgery and a
01:00:01
little bit of radiation was supposed to take care of it. Unfortunately, in her case, those little
01:00:07
cancer stem cells and it was microscopic cancers that were present took off, raced off in her 80-year-old body, which
01:00:15
you know, weaker immune system when you're 80. Uh, and within a few months
01:00:20
after successfully recovering from the surgery, she had stage four cancer everywhere. All right? And her
01:00:27
oncologist told me, uh, Dr. Lee, you know, you're a doctor as well. You know,
01:00:32
this is serious and this is pretty much the time of game over. And
01:00:37
now times have changed. Science had advanced. Progress has advanced. At that
01:00:43
time when my mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, immunotherapy, the latest and greatest,
01:00:51
I think advancement in cancer treatment had just broken through and become
01:00:57
approved. Imunotherapy is not chemotherapy. It doesn't actually poison the cancer. Imunotherapy is a medicine
01:01:04
that you give a cancer patient that wakes up your own immune system. Whether
01:01:09
you're a young person or an old person, it can wake up your immune system. All right? And my mother had imunotherapy.
01:01:16
She was one of the early patients that got imunotherapy. And her own 80-year-old immune system woke up like a
01:01:23
super like an army of super soldiers and went after that cancer. Now, we
01:01:28
completely adjusted her diet to so that her body between treatments would be as
01:01:35
strong as possible. Shields raised as we've been talking about. And we gave her a little bit of radiation to to to
01:01:42
help the uh the her immune system spot the cancer. Guess what
01:01:47
happened? Three treatments of imunotherapy, three three weeks apart.
01:01:53
So, time zero is the first treatment. Three weeks later, the next treatment.
01:01:58
Three weeks after that, the next treatment. All right. So, we're talking about like total nine weeks of three
01:02:04
treatments. All right. Of these three treatments, we scanned her stage four,
01:02:10
went to stage zero, and she never had chemotherapy. Now, chemotherapy can be helpful too
01:02:16
with imunotherapy, but this was where I saw firsthand close up in my own family,
01:02:23
the ability to harness your body's own health defenses in a way that I couldn't
01:02:29
do for my uncle 15 years ago before. And we lost them. And we were to save my mom. And I
01:02:36
can tell you, I literally had dinner with my mom two days ago, and she's 90,
01:02:42
91, 10, 11 years later, completely healthy, completely cancer-free. And by
01:02:48
the way, this amunotherapy, if we could only get this to work as well for everyone. This is
01:02:55
where we are in the history of medicine. We can see an end. We know how we can get to an end. We've actually seen
01:03:01
successes. We just can't get it to work for everyone yet. And there are different ways to actually wake up your
01:03:06
immune system. Another way that I'm working on now that um a colleague of mine in Germany is working on is also
01:03:14
absolutely jaw-droppingly amazing. Imagine this. Somebody has cancer and
01:03:20
you're going to they're going to get a biopsy no matter what. They're going to take some tissue out to look at it under the microscope. What kind of cancer is
01:03:26
it? A brain? Is it breast? Is it a colon? Is it pancreas? Where is it coming from? You're gonna get a diagnosis. Right now, up until recently,
01:03:34
that's all we did with the tissue, the biopsy. You just got a result, and it's kind of like a death sentence, depending
01:03:39
on what type of cancer, and you're supposed to then go to the guidelines and open up the the the the treatment
01:03:45
book to say, well, what's the pathway we should what's the recipe we should follow for treatment. Too often, those
01:03:51
recipes don't work very well for very long. Now, what if I told you that where we are headed with cancer therapy is a
01:03:59
new frontier where you take the tumor with the biopsy, sure, look it under the
01:04:05
microscope, call it out, uh uh define what it is, and then you send it to a
01:04:11
lab where you do complete full-on genetics. You sequence the entire cancer
01:04:17
genome. All right? Right now, we do sequence. We take a dozen, two dozen, three dozen. I'm talking about doing 20,
01:04:24
30,000 genes, right? Right now, most people say it's not worth it. We don't know what we do with all that
01:04:29
information. What if I told you if you took a tumor and sequenced all the genes, you find every mutation, every
01:04:37
typographical error that we talked about earlier that's in that cancer. Those are the smoking guns of the cancer. Now,
01:04:43
what if I took a piece of a little normal blood, normal cells, and sequence that too? All right. Now people are be
01:04:51
hearing me talk who are oncologists or scientists would say I don't know what you're talking about that's double the
01:04:56
waste of effort because now you're going to sequence the human genome twice in a single patient what are you going to do with all that information ah this is
01:05:03
where technology sits in artificial intelligence machine learning let's now
01:05:09
have a computer compare normal cells with tumor cells back and forth and back
01:05:14
and forth and back and forth subtract out all the mutations that are found in normal cells
01:05:19
leaving only the smoking gun mutations in the cancer. Couple hundred are going
01:05:24
to be left. Those are the smoking guns. Those are the doers that led to this cancer. Now imagine, and I'm going to
01:05:31
give you an analogy here. Do you remember that Tom Cruz movie uh Minority Report? Yeah. So you remember like he
01:05:38
was wearing these gloves and you have a glass pane and you can actually move the uh things around on the glass with your
01:05:44
fingertips, right? So now imagine you can take these human uh the the the cancer mutations on the bottom of this
01:05:51
glass screen and you can just randomly with your fingers pick out 20 random mutations and move them up on the
01:05:58
screen. All right, now you've just picked out the mutations and now you can connect the mutations together. I call
01:06:04
it a pearl necklace. Imagine every mutation is a pearl and you connect them together with the string that connects a
01:06:09
pearl necklace. Now now you get what I'm saying? Like now we've taken the tumor, find out the doers, the the the the uh
01:06:16
the smoking guns. Now we've strung them together. Okay, this is the most wanted
01:06:22
sign that you would actually place out for the criminal. And now imagine you hit
01:06:28
print technology. And now you have a protein printer that prints out those
01:06:34
smoking guns as a protein, as a protein full of your own individual cancer of
01:06:40
that particular person. Now you take that protein and you inject it under the skin and you're challenging your own
01:06:46
immune system. You're vaccinating yourself with the with your own cancer and you're c causing your own immune
01:06:51
system to say, "Aha, this is a bad guy. We're going to develop antibodies to go
01:06:57
find our immune system. We're going to get ratcheted up to go find that cancer." Well, this is happening right
01:07:04
now in clinical trials. I have a a colleague named Saskia Biscup that is actually developing peptide vaccine
01:07:11
treatments against cancer. And if you want to see some amazing results, um
01:07:17
there was a paper we published in Nature uh communications about a year ago that
01:07:22
showed in more than a 100 people with glyobblasto that is a game over brain
01:07:28
cancer. Nobody lives more than a couple of years with this. All right. That with
01:07:34
this treatment, we've been able to actually show that some patients with their own immune system woken up can
01:07:40
actually keep them alive and cancer-free brain cancer. Like that is
01:07:47
no win-win situation. Impossible to possible. And actually somebody who I've just recruited as an ambassador to my
01:07:53
nonprofit organization, the Andrew Genesis Foundation, I strongly encourage people who want to have a modicum of
01:08:00
hope, who wants to see what I'm talking about in real life on social media. There's a woman named Rebecca Divine.
01:08:06
She's okay with me giving her name. Her handle is that brainy blonde. It's a
01:08:12
it's a triple antandra. She's blonde. She's very smart, but she had a glyobblastoma 7 years ago and she is
01:08:19
thriving alive with his imunotherapy. So between my mother, Rebecca Divine, I'm
01:08:24
just telling you like I've had well I've known well over a dozen people who
01:08:30
there's no way they'd be here today if it wasn't for the scientific advances
01:08:36
that all shore up the body's health defense systems, specifically the immune
01:08:41
system. But that's the drugs alone aren't enough. you really can take advantage at home of your own diet and
01:08:48
lifestyle to be able to tip those odds in your favor. I've heard you say that amunotherapy is more likely to be
01:08:53
successful if you have certain bacteria in your gut. Yeah, that is okay. So
01:09:02
in 2017, I helped to convene a cancer
01:09:09
research conference in Paris. uh and we called it rethinking cancer
01:09:15
and we brought the world's best minds out there and one of the um researchers
01:09:21
uh uh named Dr. Laurance Zogle she's at the in Paris works in Paris at the
01:09:26
institute Gustaf Rousi she is an imuninooncologist so she studies imunotherapy for cancer and at the time
01:09:33
we had uh we we asked her to present uh some uh groundbreaking
01:09:38
results that were embargoed at the time. So our research, our conference was the
01:09:44
first time it was ever presented and she said in a 100 people who were receiving
01:09:51
imunotherapy for uh different types of cancer that if you looked at the difference between people who responded
01:10:00
lived did well versus people who didn't respond didn't do well died. All right?
01:10:05
And that's the frustration with the types of treatments my mom had. um you know, some people do well, some people
01:10:11
don't do well. We pull our hair out trying to figure out like what's going on? How do we make people do better?
01:10:17
Well, it turns out that when you compare everything, gender, age, coorbidities,
01:10:23
uh uh all the other genetic factors. The research that was presented showed that
01:10:28
there was no differences between the groups of responders, people who did well versus people who didn't do well
01:10:34
for imunotherapy, except for one thing. That one thing was one
01:10:40
bacteria. The responders had one bacteria called acromancia mucinophila.
01:10:46
So most bacteria have a genus and species. First name, last name, first name is acrimancia, last name is
01:10:52
mucinophila. Okay, it likes to grow in mucus. Mucinophilia. Where is there a lot of mucus? In the colon. Where's the
01:10:59
colon? That's the on this model the blue area. So acromancy grows right here in the seeum which is the pouch uh in the
01:11:07
colon right at the beginning before you take the up elevator to the top of of the colon. That's where it grows. If you
01:11:13
if the people had that acromancia they would respond to imunotherapy. So what what the researcher did they she took out the
01:11:20
acromancia and brought it to her lab of the responders from humans and and gave
01:11:26
it to mice who were not responding to imotherapy. Boom. she'd recom she'd resurrect the immune response to kill
01:11:33
the cancer. So this is one of the first bacteria and there there may be many many that we haven't yet discovered. All
01:11:40
right. So like my whole career has all been about discovery. There may be more bacteria but we discovered at least one
01:11:45
the presence of which seems to be absolutely vital if you are a patient
01:11:52
receiving imunotherapy uh the type of imunotherapy called checkpoint inhibitors. uh if you want to
01:11:58
uh uh tip the odds in your own favor of being a responder. Now, how do you get acromancia? Well, at the time uh there
01:12:06
was no acromancia probiotics. Now, you can actually find acromancia probiotics, but but at the time this was coming out,
01:12:12
you you had to grow your own acromancia, DIY acromancia. All right. So, how do you grow it? Well, it turns out that
01:12:18
there are certain foods you can eat that grow acromancia. What are those foods? Pomegranate. Pomegranate juice.
01:12:25
Pomegranate seeds will grow acromancia. Cranberries, uh, cranberry juice, dried cranberries
01:12:31
will grow acromancia. Conquered grape juice or conquered grapes will grow acromancia. Chili peppers will actually
01:12:38
grow acromancia. Chinese black vinegar. You ever go to dim sum and have soup
01:12:43
dumplings? Oh yeah. The black vinegar sauce that they use for for as a condiment to the soup dumplings. Chinese
01:12:49
black vinegar. That will prompt your body to grow acromancy as well. So, what is your diet of preference then? There's
01:12:55
so many different diets that we've people speak about when they talk about cancer and other chronic diseases. Um,
01:13:01
as I think I said to you beforehand, I'm on an extremely low carb diet, which is like VG is on keto, but I kind of bounce
01:13:08
in and out of ketosis. What What do you think of Let's start with the the ketogenic diet. Do you have a view on on
01:13:14
that kind of diet? Yeah. So, let me just give you my my perspective on diets. Lots of different diets out
01:13:21
there. They're all designed uh with kind of a specific perspective and a
01:13:26
particular goal in mind. Often times diet, whether you're talking about South Beach or keto or carnivore or vegan, you
01:13:35
know, um they're all designed to achieve a certain kind of goal, uh most of them are very very difficult to maintain for
01:13:42
a long period of time. Now people are vegans uh and vegetarians and they're that's something that because of the
01:13:49
diversity of the food that you can you can actually maintain that but you know if you're only doing pure keto that's very difficult to do. So
01:13:56
most popular trending diets are short-lived
01:14:01
short-term solutions and they'll kind of force your body to do something all right but you can't keep it up. And so a
01:14:08
diet that you can't keep up isn't to me a very practical diet because you're
01:14:14
going to bursts of activity that you just can't do your whole life. I find
01:14:22
that it's much more healthy in the long run if you can find a sustainable way of
01:14:29
eating that works for you personally that you can maintain and that you're going to enjoy your life as well. Most
01:14:35
people who are on really strict diets, they're not enjoying their diet, you know, like people who only eat meat,
01:14:41
only eat carnivore diet or only eat raw food. Listen, you can't don't con me.
01:14:47
You can't you can't be enjoying eating raw food, you know, your entire life, you know, navigating through society and
01:14:54
seeing other people, you know, eat a big steaming plate of pasta or something, you know, or going to a Chinese restaurant. So, what I'm saying is that
01:15:01
trending diets are well-intentioned. and they often are designed to do one thing, but you can't keep it up. So, it doesn't
01:15:08
really at the end of the day contribute to the ultimate uh goal. What I prefer
01:15:14
and where I think the science takes us where the next frontier for like lifetime health is tearing a page from
01:15:23
the playbook of some of the healthiest cuisines in the world. And I would say Mediterranean is the hot bed, the
01:15:30
crucible of a lot of healthy diets, not just the blue zones. might think but but there but there are blue zones in the
01:15:35
Mediterranean also Asia uh there's a blue zone in Asia as well but you know look there's also a blue zone in Latin
01:15:41
America if you take a look at the common denominator of what's going on in the Mediterranean and Asia is a very healthy
01:15:50
plantforward fresh seasonal uh healthy cooking oils healthy preparation style
01:15:57
absolutely delicious way of eating. I mean, come on. Take if I were to take you to a Mediterranean restaurant or to
01:16:04
a Asian restaurant, I would find it hard to believe that you wouldn't, you and I
01:16:09
opening a menu couldn't find something that we would enjoy eating. Right? So, Mediterranean is what how I tell people
01:16:15
I actually eat. That's my quote diet. Why do the Japanese seem to do so well
01:16:20
on when we think about the world's healthiest countries? Looking at some data here, some a variety of different
01:16:27
graphs that I have in front of me. And Japan seems to continually seem to come out on top as it relates to health span.
01:16:33
Yeah. Okay. Well, um there's no one single factor I think that was
01:16:39
responsible for it, but it is true. Um the the Japanese uh demographics uh show
01:16:46
uh consistently some of the uh oldest longest living people, you know, they tend first and foremost. Okay, before we
01:16:54
talk about what they eat, let me tell you what they don't do. They don't
01:16:59
overeat. And I'm giving a purposeful pause there because overeating, caloric loading, okay, uh is
01:17:08
very damaging to our metabolism. It actually counters uh our ability for
01:17:14
long to to live long. It actually speeds up our cellular aging. It's it it sets
01:17:20
up inflammation. So, by cutting down on your caloric intake every day, that's
01:17:26
one of the things is that the Japanese culture, the the the culinary and
01:17:32
gastronomic approach to food in Japan tends to uh favor modesty. Uh uh uh
01:17:39
undereating rather than overeating. I've got a question here. How do how do I know if I'm overeating?
01:17:45
Okay. So, so there's a Confucian saying uh that's been translated into the
01:17:51
Japanese that they that's a mantra which is harachi which means stop eating when
01:17:57
you're 80% full. I asked this question because I have a friend who was I think
01:18:02
it was on this podcast so um don't think I'm revealing anything. He actually sat next to me um when Peter was talking to
01:18:08
him. He's Jack who um runs production for us. He had his DEXA scan done which
01:18:13
looks at your visceral fat, subcutaneous fat, muscle mass, bone density, those kinds of things. Yeah. And he's a slim
01:18:19
guy. He's much slimmer than I am. And the diagnosis that came back from
01:18:25
the doctor basically said, "You're overnourished." And when I look at him, he doesn't look like someone that's
01:18:31
overnourished. And the the doctor essentially said to him that you need to reduce your calories. Now, I'm looking
01:18:37
at this guy thinking, "This is a slim guy. This guy's like much much slimmer than I am, yet the doctor's telling him
01:18:44
that he's overeating. Yeah. So, I wrote a whole book on this called Eat to Beat Your Diet, which is
01:18:49
not a diet book. It's an anti-diet book that really um uh uh unccloaks the new
01:18:56
science of your metabolism. And what I try to say in terms of sharing that
01:19:03
science is that first of all, body fat, which society is regarded as a bad
01:19:10
thing. We don't nobody wants fat, right? Um is actually a good thing. Body fat's
01:19:15
an organ in the body. Did you know that? Like it's it's one of our body organs. Um our body fat, it is distributed
01:19:22
throughout our body. And what does it do as an organ? Well, it's got some cushioning effect. So, you know, like if
01:19:28
you didn't have any body fat, by the way, you tripped on the stairs and you hit the ground, you might rupture your
01:19:34
organs. All right, that's so that has a little bit of a cushion effect, marshmallowy cushion effect. But our fat
01:19:40
also is a fuel tank to store fuel. So, when we're eating calories, our calories
01:19:47
are our energy. We're eating food, we're eating calories. That's our energy. That's that's a fuel our body runs off
01:19:53
of. I always tell people if you have a car and you're filling it up with gasoline at the petrol station or the
01:19:58
gas station, um you don't even think about your gas until your fuel gauge
01:20:04
starts to run low. And the same thing for our our our bodies is that we don't think about our fuel until we're hungry.
01:20:09
And our our hunger in our brain and our gut is really as our fuel tank that signals, you know, we're getting towards
01:20:16
that red line. Better go fill fill up. Now, unlike a gas station or petrol station, there's no clicker on our body.
01:20:24
We can keep stuffing food into our system. We can very easily overload our fuel tank. Okay, that is you've got you
01:20:31
got to cut back on your calories. That's what you your your friend heard when the doctor was saying you got to cut back on
01:20:36
your calories because you're overloading on fuel. So, where does so where does the fat build up? It's there's different
01:20:42
areas that fat in your body builds up. Now, the fat can there's white fat and
01:20:47
there's uh uh uh brown fat. White fat can be under your chin, could be under your arms, could be in your thighs and
01:20:54
your butt, could be your your the the muffin top, you know, around your waist. But that's not where the most dangerous
01:21:00
fat builds up. The most dangerous fat, inflammatory fat, is a fat that builds
01:21:06
up in the inside the tube of your body. So if you think of your body like a poster tube, okay, inside that tube and
01:21:14
all this gut is I'm sorry, the the body cavity, if you were to slice this body in half and look at a cross-section, all
01:21:21
right, it's a tube. You can fill all you any of these uh interstitial areas
01:21:26
between organs, you can pack with fat. So think about you're going to FedEx something to somebody overnight mail uh
01:21:33
a vase or or a glass or bottle of wine or whatever. you're going to pack it full of peanuts and you're going to put
01:21:38
it into a package. Well, look, you can get a big box and put a lot more peanuts on or you can take a skinny box that would just fit it and you'll put it in.
01:21:44
So, it doesn't really matter the size of your tube. You could be a skinny person and you could pack it with a lot of
01:21:49
peanuts. In this case, visceral fat. And that's what you're talking about in a
01:21:54
skinny person with too much visceral fat, too many peanuts packed in there. And that is a result of overconumption
01:22:01
of calories. that fat, that energy, the fuel tanks building up within a skinny body. Yeah. And that's what we call
01:22:07
skinny fat. I am still like mildly in shock about it because because I saw his
01:22:14
results, I I panicked. So the next day I also went to the same clinic as him. I had my Dexus stan scan done and it came
01:22:20
back and said that I had quote zero visceral fat. So my results from Dr.
01:22:26
Peter said I had zero visceral fat which he said was rare but I had subcutaneous
01:22:33
fat which is the fat on the outside more than Jack did. So Jack had visceral fat,
01:22:38
which is the fat inside us, and he had he has like almost no subcutaneous fat,
01:22:44
and I'm kind of the inverse of that. And I don't what like I was trying to figure out why is my body when I eat something
01:22:51
putting the fat subcutaneously on the outside, whereas Jack's body is putting the fat on the inside, which is the the
01:22:57
dangerous fat. Here is um an interesting thing. Let's look at the opposite of
01:23:03
building up subcutaneous fat, which is the external fat, not the not the danger, the external fat. Yeah. So,
01:23:09
okay. So, there's two kinds of body fat. White fat and brown fat. White they're all good. They're all beneficial. Um,
01:23:16
white fat can be subcutaneous. Subcutaneous means under the skin, under your jaw, under the skin of your jaw,
01:23:22
under your arms, on your thighs. That's subcutaneous. White fat can also be visceral fat. That's deep inside the
01:23:28
tube of your body. And then brown fat is not wiggly jiggly like the other like white fat. Brown fat is wafer thin and
01:23:35
it's plastered around our neck. It's behind our breast bone, a little bit behind between our shoulder blades, a little bit in our belly. And brown fat
01:23:41
actually is metabolically as a active and it fires up a process called
01:23:47
thermogenesis to burn down harmful visceral extra body fat. So you can use
01:23:52
good fat to burn down bad fat, which is the amazing thing. Again, fat is not universally bad. It's actually quite
01:23:58
good. And uh so one of the things that I think is really important to know is
01:24:05
that when you've got too much visceral fat, you got too much inflammation, but you can actually use your brown fat to
01:24:11
try to um control that to try to burn it down. Brown fat, by the way, is activated by foods and activated by cold
01:24:18
temperatures. So when you talk about your cold plunge, brown fat can actually light up.
01:24:25
So, you you've just handed me a card. I'll describe this in which there's two pictures of a figure. And one of the uh
01:24:34
pictured on the left is room temperature. And it's not cold. It's regular room temperature. And this is
01:24:40
the same individual, by the way. And you can't see anything lighting up because the brown fat is just adjusted to normal
01:24:46
room temperature. Now, on the right hand side is when you actually um lower the
01:24:52
temperature in an ice bath or something. No, no. This is actually just lowering the room temperature. Really, really cold. Like a like a like a laboratory
01:24:57
condition lowering the room temperature. And boom, you see all this brown fat lighting up. Remember I told you it's
01:25:03
it's plastered around the neck, behind the breast bone, uh a little bit in your belly. And this is mother nature's
01:25:11
adaptation in evolution to help animals survive cold temperatures. So before we
01:25:16
had thermostats and room heaters, um uh uh think about a by the way, brown fat
01:25:22
was discovered in hibernating animals. Um there was a zoologologist uh who was
01:25:29
looking at plucked out a uh kind of a muskrat looking animal from hibernation
01:25:35
and dissected it and found that there was this brown lump that was between its
01:25:41
shoulder blades and nobody knew what it was. They just and the more researchers and biologists and zoologologists looked
01:25:48
at animals that were hibernating, they they found this very consistently. In fact, they called that brown mass first
01:25:54
a hibernoma. Hyper hibernating a mass we don't know what it
01:25:59
does. Okay. um a
01:26:06
hybrer who in the beginning we didn't have microscopes and then we had microscopes and we had really great
01:26:11
microscopes and all of a sudden in 1930s the researcher uh at UCLA said you know
01:26:18
that hibonoma is actually made of fat cells and those fat cells are brown and
01:26:24
the reason they're brown is because they have a lot of mitochondria in it. Mitochondria being the fuel cells of our
01:26:31
body, like they're the batteries of our body. They're packing the they're the energy generators in our cell. And
01:26:37
mitochondria are very rich in iron. And when iron is oxidized, it turns brown
01:26:42
like a pile of nails that you've put outside your door and the outdoors. Silver nails will turn
01:26:48
brown. Brown fat packed with mitochondria, energy generating, packed
01:26:53
with iron, oxidizes, turns brown. That's why brown fat is brown. And and so what happens is that in cold temperatures
01:27:00
like in hibernation in winter, the brown fat fires up and that's what keep keeps these hibernating animals warm
01:27:06
throughout the winter so they don't freeze to death. Now humans, we can actually use that to our advantage. We
01:27:13
can actually activate our brown fat. Cold bath will do it. U sleeping in cold
01:27:18
cooler warms will actually start to activate it as well. When that, by the way, that when those mitochondria fire
01:27:24
up, they are burning energy. You know where they draw the energy from? From your white fat. From your visceral fat
01:27:29
first. So you want brown fat, good fat to burn down bad fat, visceral fat, white fat. You want to sleep in a cool
01:27:35
room or you want to go into a cold bath. And there are lots of foods that will also you can eat foods to activate your
01:27:43
brown fat to burn down harmful fat. Um, and then the last thing is cortisol. the
01:27:48
job that we have. I know this doesn't sound like a hard job to be a podcaster, but the in Jack's role, he's basically
01:27:55
working seven days a week sometimes. You know, he's working early hours of the morning. He's traveling around the world with me to come to these studios. It is
01:28:01
I observe it. It's a stressful job. So, I was wondering if these if all of these factors play a role in in how our body
01:28:09
chooses where to store things. And really like the role of cortisol in determining fat storage is so
01:28:14
interesting to me. like the role of stress in determining where our fat is stored.
01:28:19
Yeah. Well, I mean cortisol is a stress hormone. It actually snaps us into uh
01:28:25
action. It actually is also healing. Cortisol is a got multiple job descriptions. It's kind of like a Swiss
01:28:30
Army knife of hormones. Uh and uh in a in small bursts, cortisol incredible
01:28:38
like and it makes you feel good as well. I mean it's a kind basically it's a it's a type of body steroid. So cortisol is a
01:28:46
very very useful hormone for all kinds of reasons. But long-term stress uh will
01:28:52
lead to excessive prolonged unabated cortisol secretion. And when your
01:28:58
cortisol levels are up up and and relentlessly that then actually changes
01:29:04
your metabolism. It definitely alters your the ability for your fat to
01:29:11
actually conduct its metabolism. I mean, fat releases itself about 15 different hormones. So, when you mess up the
01:29:17
hormonal structure, the endocrine structure of your own body fat with something like excessive cortisol,
01:29:24
you'll actually begin to derail your own metabolism. So, it's not the short-term cortisol, it's a long-term cortisol
01:29:30
that's actually the most damaging. Why is visceral fat dangerous? Because people refer to it as being linked a lot
01:29:35
of chronic disease and cancers and stuff like that, but what evidence do we have that it's dangerous? And what why is it
01:29:40
dangerous? Yeah, because the tube of your body with all the organs packed into it, just like we're seeing here.
01:29:46
Look at all these organs packed in. You got your liver, you got your stomach, you got your your colon and your small
01:29:51
intestines that's packed into the tube. All right, it is it's it's kind of like uh packing for vacation. You know, some
01:29:58
people are really really skilled at packing. They can actually uh fold their socks and underwear and their pants and
01:30:04
it's like, oh my, you're a genius. You're you're packing genius right now. visceral fat grows between those folded
01:30:11
shirts and pants and it and it fills all that space in there. When you have too
01:30:16
much of it, not only does it fill up that the suitcase of your body, the tube
01:30:22
of your body, but it starts to push on organs, which is not healthy because it's all packing inside the between the
01:30:28
spaces, the potential spaces in there. And then when they grow, when it grows beyond its own blood supply, the
01:30:33
visceral fat um starts to starve. It becomes hypoxic, meaning it's not getting enough oxygen. bigger than the
01:30:39
amount of blood vessels that are growing in there. And now you've got the center of the fat star of oxygen. Uh the
01:30:46
inflammatory cells start moving in. And now you've got this fat that's outgrown its own blood supply that's now becoming
01:30:53
very inflammatory. And because it's packed all throughout your the tube of your body into the suitcase of your
01:30:58
body, it's leaking out that inflammation everywhere. So, think about it like if you have a neatly packed suitcase and
01:31:04
you're like, I'm, you know, I'm going to put um I'm going to put some uh uh lotion and cream, canisters of lotion
01:31:11
and cream. I'm going to pack it everywhere in in between the spaces. Okay, look uh Stephen, pack a few, but
01:31:18
but let's stop right there. And you're no, I'm going to pack like 20 or 30 of them. And you keep on stuffing it. Even
01:31:23
though the suitcase it's a hard suitcase and you can you can put a lot in there. Now, you're starting to press on the the
01:31:29
clothing. you're going to scrunch up your pants. And here in the body, you're scrunching up your organs. Now, why
01:31:34
don't we make those one of those tubes uh uh of of cream. Let's break one of
01:31:41
them open. Now, it's leaking. All right? And that's what's happening when your fat is so inflame so inflamed, it starts
01:31:47
to leak, inflammation. Now, imagine that that cream uh starts to leak out into
01:31:52
the interstites of your suitcase. Now, you've got a suitcase. Looks skinny on the outside. It looks like it just looks
01:31:58
like a suitcase. It's a could be a carry-on. But now all the organs, all the clothes you packed so neatly are
01:32:05
squeezed and scrunched off and now the lotion is leaking everywhere. That is
01:32:10
the analogy of excess body fat in a small container spreading out
01:32:16
compressing the organs and leaking out and that's why it's dangerous. Oh gosh. And that there's a link there to cancer.
01:32:22
Yeah. So studies have actually shown that and this was a study uh done uh by
01:32:28
Cornell in New York um looking at Swedish women who were normal body size
01:32:35
or skinny. So you've heard of skinny fat. This is what they were studying. And they looked at these women uh to see
01:32:43
they did DEEXA scans as you described um to see how much body fat they had. And
01:32:48
then they followed them over 13 years and they actually found that women who
01:32:54
did not have extra body fat had you know normal risk of breast cancer but women
01:32:59
who had skinny fat remember all the women in the study and so 3,000 women
01:33:04
actually were normal body size not I mean they weren't super models but they were they were just normalsized women
01:33:11
some of them were slimmer than others but none of them were obese none of them were overweight u just normal size Um
01:33:18
and they but they knew at the b baseline what the DEXA scan showed and what they found is that women who had excess body
01:33:26
fat over the period of 13 years had a three-fold increase in the risk of developing breast cancer and it's linked
01:33:33
to higher met inflammatory markers in their bloodstream which makes total sense. The leaking body cream, the
01:33:39
leaking inflammation, you know, in a skinny tube, all right, or normalized tube, normal suitcase. Look, the
01:33:45
suitcase can't expand bigger. It's it's got a finite size um but it's leaking out and and this is because cancer
01:33:52
thrives in an inflammatory environment. If you have inflammation without even a microscopic cancer like we talked about
01:33:58
but a small tumor putting inflammation in the environment of a cancer is like
01:34:04
pouring gasoline on the embers of a fire. You ever go camping, you have a campfire, it's almost out at the very
01:34:09
end. Now if you pour some gasoline it boom whoosh you're going to have to create a bonfire all over again. That's
01:34:15
how dangerous inflammation is. So that's why excess visceral fat, inflammatory fat, is so dangerous and linked to
01:34:22
cancer. And by the way, not just breast cancer. Turns out that excess visceral fat has been linked to 14 other cancers.
01:34:29
Increased risk of 14 other cancers. Everything from colon, ovarian, lung, breast, prostate. Uh it it's the it's a
01:34:38
it's a growing list of cancers that seem to be at put you would be at higher risk
01:34:44
if you had high levels of visceral fat. And it makes total sense given the inflammation. Don't you hate it when you
01:34:52
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01:35:02
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01:35:57
illness anxiety disorder which they call I a formerly known as hypochondriitis
01:36:04
and the impact that being avoidant of health and illness has on your mortality rates. And they the researcher analyzed
01:36:11
data from approximately 45,000 individuals over a 24-year period comparing 4,000 patients who had this
01:36:17
anxiety around their health and were avoidant. And the findings showed that those with IAD that were anxious about
01:36:24
health and getting checkups and those kinds of things had an 84% higher risk of death during the study period, dying
01:36:31
on average 5 years earlier than those without the disorder. And again, causation is hard to establish there because it could mean that being an
01:36:36
anxious person means your cortisol's up anyway. being an anxious person means you make worse dietary choices. But I
01:36:42
I've always remembered that and thought about how um how it's I find it much more much
01:36:48
better, especially as I age and I'm going to be now confronted with more risks, especially things in men like prostate cancer. Being on the front foot
01:36:56
um is probably a better approach. Well, uh and if you take some proactive approaches using food as medicine where
01:37:03
you got to eat three, you know, you got to eat every day. Most most of most people eat three times a day. Most
01:37:08
people encounter food about five times a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a couple of snacks. If you realize every
01:37:14
time you're encountering food is an opportunity, an opportunity to choose a
01:37:20
food, an ingredient that actually supports raises your shields, supports your health defense systems. and know
01:37:27
that and trust your body, trust your health defense systems that if you raise your shields, you're less likely to
01:37:32
actually have uh have problems later won't eliminate them. Okay? There's no
01:37:38
guarantees in life, but it'll lower the risk. Here's an example. Um Stephen, you know, research studies have shown that
01:37:44
tomatoes are good for overall um health. You mentioned prostate cancer. So
01:37:50
studies have shown that uh men who eat tomatoes regularly, cooked tomatoes, actually have a 29% lower risk of
01:37:57
developing prostate cancer. It's pretty good. Uh what's the dose of the tomatoes
01:38:03
that you need to cook tomatoes you need to eat? Two to three servings per week. All right, I can probably I can probably
01:38:09
accomplish that. How much each time do I got to eat a wheelbarrow of tomatoes each time? No. the the typical serving
01:38:17
that this study supports is just half a cup of tomato cooked tomatoes is per serving. How do they know this stuff?
01:38:23
Because obviously how do they isolate that in a test? So these are from largecale population studies. In this
01:38:30
case it's a it's a uh epidemiological study called a uh health professionals
01:38:36
follow-up study where they looked at they developed hypotheses and they looked at outcomes over the course of 25
01:38:41
years and they looked for statistical correlations. So they found that um tomatoes lowered the risk of prostate
01:38:47
cancer based on people reporting their tomato eating. Then they actually went back and look at the report within the
01:38:53
data collected. How much how much do they eat on average every week? So that then you can actually back calculate the
01:38:59
dose. All right. Now I I told you earlier about the way that I do research foods and medicine research. Let's take
01:39:05
it further. Let's figure out what's in a tomato. Well, tomatoes have lots of it's
01:39:11
got it's got sugar. It's got uh some salt. It's got uh carotenoids which are
01:39:17
bioactives. One of which is lycopine. Well, okay. What does lycopine do? Guess
01:39:22
what lycopine does? Lycopine in the lab will cut off the blood supply to tumors.
01:39:29
Anti-androenesis shores up your health defense systems. Prevents cancer from getting a blood supply. And in fact in
01:39:36
correlative studies um uh they've actually taken the prostate cancer
01:39:43
biopsies of men who did not avoid prostate uh cancer. So they were tomato
01:39:48
eaters who went on to develop prostate cancer anyway. There's no nothing takes you versus zero. And they looked at them
01:39:54
and what they found is that those men who ate more tomatoes had fewer blood vessels in their prostate cancer and the
01:40:02
prostate cancers were also less aggressive. So people who ate four times and five times and six times had fewer
01:40:08
and less aggressive blood vessels growing into their prostate cancer. So that's an example where you know if I
01:40:15
told you um consider having some cooked tomatoes
01:40:20
a few times a week and you don't need a lot. Even half a cup is enough. Oh, why cooked tomatoes? Well, because it turns
01:40:27
out lycopine is uh a natural chemical that in its native form, pick a tomato
01:40:33
off the vine and eat it that like an apple, it's absorbed in your body, but not avidly, not as much as
01:40:41
possible. Um, what is that? That is coffee. Okay. And we've been talking a little bit about brown fat. Yeah. Is
01:40:48
there a link between fat and coffee? Because I heard someone the other day saying that if you want to lose weight, drink coffee. And I wasn't sure if that
01:40:53
was well. So coffee is a beverage made with coffee beans. Coffee beans are
01:40:59
plant-based foods. Coffee beans contain many polyphenols including chlorogenic acid. Chlorogenic acid is
01:41:06
anti-inflammatory. Chlorogenic acid also turns on your brown fat. So it activates
01:41:12
it triggers your brown fat and it causes your brown fat the mitochondria to fire up undergo thermogenesis to burn down
01:41:18
harmful white fat or visceral fat. So cup of coffee a day or actually the dose
01:41:23
is actually about three to four cups of coffee a day will definitely cause your brown fat, good fat to burn down your
01:41:30
bad fat, your harmful fat, your visceral fat. What about fasting? People people often talk about fasting
01:41:37
as a as an intervention as a form of medicine for the body. And I wondered if you had a take on that. Yeah, f listen
01:41:43
fasting is beneficial. Fasting is good and fasting is very old. It's not just a recent trend. uh if you go back
01:41:49
thousands of years, I mean if you look at some of mo some of the oldest religions of the world, fasting was part
01:41:54
of their ritual that would happen, you know, throughout the year. Now, people go, "Well, what about intermittent
01:41:59
fasting? How long should I fast?" I try to tell people there is no magic formula for success for fasting
01:42:07
because we're all different and our bodies are different. Our lifestyles are different. There's no universal fasting
01:42:12
protocol that's going to be one-sizefits-all. However, I will tell you an easy way to fast because fasting
01:42:18
is very natural to us is just paying attention to what you do every day and be mindful. So, when you're sleeping,
01:42:27
you're not eating. When you're not eating, you're fasting. So, I try to be reassuring. So, guess what? You're
01:42:33
fasting every day anyway. When you fall asleep, you're fasting. All right? And the longer you're not eating and
01:42:39
sleeping, the more time your metabolism, the Ferrari of your of your metabolism
01:42:44
of your body can switch gears to burn down any extra fat that's accumulated. Now, if you've been eating whatever you
01:42:51
want over time, you probably built up a lot of extra fat. Now, from your scans, apparently not. You don't have too much.
01:42:58
All right? But you if you you're fasting regularly, you're burning down all that extra stuff. Okay? And so then how do
01:43:05
you optimize that without having to calendarize your fast and figure out,
01:43:11
you know, how to uh schedule your meals? I try to make things
01:43:17
um as scientific but as practical as possible. And so I tell people you want to really get involved in intermittent
01:43:23
fasting. Easiest way is take advantage of what you're doing already. And that is if you're sleeping, try to sleep
01:43:30
eight hours a day. So, how do you sleep eight hours a day? I don't know. I said if you go to bed at 11 o'clock, get up
01:43:36
at 7 o'clock, you get to eight hours of sleep. All right, we know that that's the med the sweet spot for your brain,
01:43:41
for your metabolism, for you know, for burning out harmful body fat. How do you get more out of that? How do you turn
01:43:46
that eight hours of fasting into more? Well, what I say is that the night
01:43:52
before when you're eating dinner, let's say you eat from 7 to 8 o'clock in the evening, what I say is that when you
01:44:00
finish dinner and you put your dishes away in the sink or in the dishwasher, that's it. No more eating. Stop eating.
01:44:08
Nothing until the next day. Um, if you're going to have dessert or whatever, squeeze it in there. Don't
01:44:14
take a snack with you and sit by the television or, you know, absent minily gobble food and don't before you be you
01:44:21
go to bed eat a big chunk of whatever. Okay, now you got 3 hours before you go
01:44:26
to bed at 11. Again, this is all a theoretical model. 3 hours of not eating. Your blood sugar goes down. Your
01:44:33
your insulin goes down because your blood you're not eating anymore. All right. Now, your metabolism shifts gears
01:44:38
three hours earlier. Okay. Now you've got those eight hours plus three hours,
01:44:44
you got 11 hours. Now when you get up in the morning, okay, let's say you get up at seven in the morning, don't do what
01:44:51
our moms told us to do, right? So when if you were like me growing up, my mom when I got up like hurry up and get to
01:44:57
breakfast and eat something so you have enough energy to actually go to school and learn something. All right? So that's I I developed this instinct of
01:45:03
actually just getting up and eating as quickly as I can, getting some breakfast in. What if I told you that what I do
01:45:09
now when I get up in the morning, I deliberately don't do what my mother told me to do. I get up, I take my time
01:45:16
getting ready, uh, I get dressed. Um, I don't eat anything right away. In fact,
01:45:21
if I'm dressed and I'm ready for the day, I might go check it out. I might go outside and take a look at the outside.
01:45:26
I might go for a quick walk or check my emails or I might read a chapter of a book or read a few pages of a book. I
01:45:33
wait at least an hour before I eat anything. Now, let's do the math. Uh,
01:45:38
Stephen, 8:00, stop eating. 11 o'clock, go to bed. 3 hours. 11 to 7, 8 hours. 3
01:45:44
plus 8 is equal to 11 hours. I got 11 hours of fasting. Now, I get up and I don't eat for another hour. Boom. 12
01:45:50
hours of fasting. Just like that. Okay. Now, if you really want to do that
01:45:55
16hour fasting, 168, just skip breakfast and get to lunch. And as long as you
01:46:02
don't overeat at lunch, which does require a little discipline after you go for your fasting window that you don't
01:46:09
overeat and you're eating the right foods, that's how you actually get to do intermittent fasting in the most natural way possible. So, there's one part of
01:46:16
the body that we haven't talked about, which is and my little mannequin here inside its head, the brain. And I'm
01:46:23
wondering how some of the themes we've talked about link to one of the most common brain diseases which people talk about, which is Alzheimer's and
01:46:30
dementia. talked about I can't say that long word but um angiogenesis is there a link between
01:46:36
angioenesis what we in the brain health dementia Alzheimer's yeah absolutely so
01:46:42
I mentioned to you that the human body has got 60,000 miles worth of blood vessels that are coursing through the
01:46:49
entire body bringing the uh oxygen and nutrients through the highways and byways of health right 400 miles of
01:46:57
those blood vessels are in your brain 400 miles of blood vessels are actually coursing through our brain. And our
01:47:03
brain is super metabolically active. You know, we're we're the engine of the
01:47:08
brain is functioning all the time. Regardless of your IQ, regardless of what type of task you do, our brain is
01:47:15
very very metabolically active, highly dependent upon a healthy circulation. Now, what we do know as people get older
01:47:24
is that problems can occur with uh brain function. And the reason I'm framing it
01:47:30
this way is that it's quick to jump to a term that people use like dementia or
01:47:36
Alzheimer's disease thinking it's one thing, but in fact, dementia is just a descriptive term for your cognition not
01:47:43
working properly most commonly as you actually age. Alzheimer's, even though it is one
01:47:50
type of diagnosis, is probably several different kinds of disease as well. And we do know that there are different
01:47:56
types of dementia. Alzheimer's is a subset of dement of dementia, Alzheimer's dementia. There's there's a
01:48:02
more common type of dementia called vascular dementia and that's where those 400 miles of blood vessels in your body
01:48:09
actually narrow, get hard, get clogged up, and don't have good blood flow. So, you can imagine if you were to actually
01:48:16
interrupt the sprinkler system, the tubing, the blood vessels, the tributaries bringing oxygen to your
01:48:22
brain within those blood vessels. Okay? over time your brain is not going to function very well. So vascular dementia
01:48:28
is is by far the more common type of dementia. So what can we do to maintain
01:48:34
healthy andogenic blood vessels throughout the course of our lives for anybody who wants aspires towards
01:48:40
longevity. All right, you should be thinking about how to avert that path where your blood circula your blood
01:48:47
vessels your circulation to your brain gets impaired. the more uh vascular,
01:48:54
blood vessel healthy, androgenesis supporting diet and lifestyle and
01:48:59
medications that you take, the better it's actually going to be. Now, here's what what's interesting. What are some of those things? Turns out that dark
01:49:06
chocolate, plant-based foods, the cacao, actually um produces helps your body
01:49:12
produce something called nitric oxide. Nitric oxide actually widens your blood
01:49:18
vessels so you get better blood flow. So dark chocolate is one of those foods
01:49:23
that actually can see seems to be able to promote better vascular health including in the brain. Now there are
01:49:30
other foods that can produce nitric oxide as well. Beets beetroot actually can produce nitric oxide. Spinach can do
01:49:37
produce nitric oxide as well. Those are vascular healthy. Now here's the other thing. When you produce nitric oxide,
01:49:44
like with these foods, you know what nitric oxide does? It recruits stem cells, healthy stem cells, not cancer
01:49:51
stem cells, but healthy stem cells from your bone marrow. Stem cells are stem cells are primitive cells that can turn
01:49:58
into anything you need them to be. Turn into a brain, heart, lung, liver, skin,
01:50:03
hair. Um, our stem cells actually regenerate us from the inside out. Now, you know that one of the things that
01:50:09
happens as we get older is our brain atrophies and can start to degenerate. It shrinks. Literally, a scan of an
01:50:16
older person, the brain, the brain matter, the mass of the brain shrinks inside the skull. It's like a like a
01:50:23
cotton shirt that shrank and you see this actually in a scan. And so in order
01:50:28
to be able to try to keep the shrinking from happening, you want to make sure there's good blood flow going, which
01:50:33
actually helps to keep the brain growing in a healthy and maintained in a healthy sort of way. So um stem cells that are
01:50:40
recruited by nitric oxide actually can help to also regenerate the blood vessels and keep the blood vessels
01:50:45
helping healthy feeding the brain. That's the connection between Alzheimer's and and I mean dementia and now for Alzheimer's
01:50:52
um I worked with a colleague Dr. Anthony Vagnucci some years ago and we published
01:50:58
uh what was then an editorial in the Lancet uh you know very prestigious uh
01:51:04
British medical publication and we were connecting the dots between androgenesis and Alzheimer's disease and here's how
01:51:10
it works most people assume that if you've got Alzheimer's disease or someone has Alzheimer's disease they
01:51:16
don't have very good blood flow they're not going to have a lot of androgenesis they got problems right of their of their circulation of course and in fact
01:51:24
if If you look at um the blood flow studies, scans, brain scans looking for
01:51:29
blood flow in Alzheimer's brain. Indeed, you see poorer blood flow in people who have
01:51:36
actually Alzheimer's disease. But it turns out the brains of people with
01:51:42
Alzheimer's disease have more blood vessels, more blood vessels that aren't working well. So their andro abnormal
01:51:49
androgenic blood vessels are not working well. So you don't get good blood flow. So the scans don't show them just don't
01:51:55
creating blood flow. Guess what those blood vessels are doing? Those abnormal blood vessels, they have been discovered
01:52:01
to secrete a neurotoxin that kills your brain cells. So abnormal androenesis in
01:52:10
Alzheimer's disease grows blood vessels that don't create blood flow, but they secrete a toxin that kills brain cells
01:52:17
and they also secrete the precursor to build up the plaque. So, uh, we we published this as a as a hypothesis and
01:52:23
an editorial in the Lancet and now there's a whole field looking at androgenesis and and Alzheimer's disease. It's crazy how this all stems
01:52:30
back to this idea that food is medicine. Yeah. I mean, listen, before we had
01:52:36
medicine as medicine, before we had pharmaceuticals in the 1930s, it's all we had. That's all humans had our diet
01:52:43
and lifestyle for medicines, you know. And so I think that that's really I think what's happened is that in during
01:52:51
the industrial revolution that occurred with pharmaceuticals,
01:52:57
we put aside a tool in the toolbox that we've always had. In fact, that's the only thing we had before. And we focused
01:53:04
myopically just on what pharmaceuticals can do. Now, I'm telling you, as somebody who has developed biioharmaceuticals and who is still very
01:53:12
much involved in that, new medicines can be life-saving. Old medicines can be life-saving. And so, you never want to
01:53:18
throw out the baby with a bath water. What we have forgotten about is that tool in the toolbox. It's been with
01:53:23
humanity forever, which is what we do with our food. And and what I'm saying is that what we can do now with the work
01:53:31
that I'm doing in food is medicine. We can take the modern science that deep probe that ex extraordinary level of
01:53:40
sophistication that we use for drug development and we can use it apply it to understand why our foods help us
01:53:47
which foods help us and what types of outcomes we're actually looking for. And so food is medicine. Bringing it back
01:53:54
into the fold is just replacing a tool in the toolbox. But now we are actually fortifying it with the
01:54:00
knowledge provided by science of what we should choose and when and why.
01:54:06
Supplementation. Are you a fan of supplementation? Because I take a couple of supplements every morning. Things like creatine and omega-3 and vitamin D.
01:54:13
Do you take supplements? Yep. Yes, I do. And I I'll I'll first say um my my first
01:54:20
off approach is that uh we should get most of the micronutrients that we need
01:54:26
to be healthy from our food. Use your food uh to our advantage because uh
01:54:32
single foods will have hundreds of different uh polyphenols and fiber and all kinds of other beneficial things. So
01:54:38
and and vitamins and minerals. So, our food is a much more efficient way to get
01:54:44
all of our micronutrients. However, supplements can be helpful in the
01:54:50
literal translation of the world, supplement, which means topping off. So, if you can't get everything that you
01:54:56
need from your food, then feel free to top it off. And that's what I actually do as well. But vitamin D, vitamin D, I
01:55:02
do it as well. Omega-3 fatty acids, another good uh top off uh to actually use for a supplement. And by the way,
01:55:09
there are some probiotics that um I feel that it's prudent to actually get have
01:55:16
in my body. So I'm not giving a general recommendation. I'm just telling you what I do, right? That's what we're
01:55:21
talking about. Everything's personal. It's personal to them. But I, you know, we talked earlier about the acromancia,
01:55:27
right? So I do eat the foods that support acromancia, the pomegranate, etc., and the chili peppers. But I'm
01:55:33
going to take the supplement because I've seen the data that shows how important it can be. Oh, an acromancia
01:55:38
improves your metabolism, lowers the risk of metabolic syndrome. There might even be some clues that acromancia um
01:55:45
might also lower the risk of dementia development later on as well. So, hey, this is a pretty safe natural bacteria.
01:55:52
I'll take that probiotic. And another probiotic I take is called Lactobacillus rutery. Lutery. What does this do?
01:56:00
Lowers inflammation, builds immunity. It actually text This is the bacteria that text messages the brain. We talked about
01:56:06
the brain and it causes our brain to release social hormones like oxytocin.
01:56:12
That's a social hormone that makes us feel good. So, you know, uh why wouldn't I actually take that? And oh, one last
01:56:19
thing. Lactobacus ruti has been I the kind I take is chewable. Why wouldn't you just take a capsule? Well, it turns
01:56:26
out that the same bacteria, lactobacus ruterides, good for the gut, but if you chew it up, this is the bacteria that
01:56:32
kills the bacteria that causes cavities and gum disease.
01:56:38
I haven't had cavity in well over a decade, you know. And so, again, this is one of these types of practical things
01:56:44
that um just knowing the science and knowing what I do and where where I
01:56:50
don't need enough. It's hard to get enough vitamin D. um uh uh hard enough to get omega-3s, I will actually top off
01:56:57
on those. I'm wondering, you know, you've I've got these two great books in front of me, Eat to Beat Disease, which is a New York Times bestseller, and Eat
01:57:03
to Beat Your Diet, which is really about burning fat, healing your metabolism, and living longer. I know that you must
01:57:10
have some f people use the term superfoods all the time, but there must be some foods where you look at them and
01:57:16
just think they are little miracles in their own right. So, I wanted to a
01:57:21
little challenge for you is if you had to pick five of your favorite foods based on the research that you've done,
01:57:27
the science you've seen, what would those top fives be? I would bring coffee. Okay. Um because of all the
01:57:34
polyphenols in coffee, I'd bring tea. Um I tend to drink coffee in the morning and I have tea at night. Um and I can
01:57:40
I'm not caffeine sensitive, so I can have the tea at night. If if if you
01:57:45
allow me, I'll actually lump those into my beverages. Okay. Under one category. Um I'll bring tree nuts. Tree nuts. Tree
01:57:53
nuts. Walnuts, almonds, macadamia, pistachios. Um I love nuts. U tree nuts.
01:57:58
And you know, not the pack prepackaged kind, but I like to, you know, kind of like toast them up myself and see flavor
01:58:05
them myself. Um, I would bring that because of the dietary fiber, the healthy pro, it's a good source of
01:58:10
protein, some healthy fats in it as well, and can kill some cancer stem cells while we're at it. Okay, so tree
01:58:17
nuts are actually good. I would bring tomatoes because I love tomatoes. Okay, it's a great source for hydration, good
01:58:24
source of lycopine, which we talked about, good for metabolism. I would take berries. Berries, blueberries,
01:58:31
strawberries, raspberries are are among my favorites. Raspberries. You might be
01:58:36
surprised at this, but raspberries are poundfor-pound or weight for weight one of the most fiber richch foods out
01:58:43
there. They're light, they're hollow, packed with fiber. Um, and they've got polyphenols and that are useful for
01:58:50
lowering inflammation as well. Berries um are actually really good. And then, you know, I because I follow what I call
01:58:57
the Mediterranean uh style of eating, I love to have those vegetables that are
01:59:05
actually used in both the Mediterranean and Asia, Mediterranean style cooking,
01:59:10
the bok choy, the kale, chory, escarol, you know, all of those types of um of of
01:59:18
leafy greens. So, those would be the five I would actually take with me. And what is the most important thing that we
01:59:23
didn't talk about that we should have talked about? You know, I think that uh
01:59:29
the most one of the most important things that that I want people to walk away with is that there's more than 200
01:59:35
foods that I've studied and I've written about in my books eat to be disease and eat to beat your diet that you know I've
01:59:41
done all the heavy lifting to help you figure out what foods are healthy that you could consider adding to your diet.
01:59:47
But if you notice, I didn't actually give you a formula or a set menu on what
01:59:54
to do for health. Because the most important thing I I I want people to walk away with is that my humanistic
02:00:01
approach to this is um you should love your food to love your health. And if you could actually do both at the same
02:00:08
time, you have to find out what are the foods that resonate with you. What do you prefer? What do you enjoy? So, if
02:00:14
you could look at 200 healthy foods, which is what what I have in my books, and just take a highlighter or a pencil
02:00:20
and circle them. Circle the ones you already love. Start and stick with those, you're already way ahead of the
02:00:26
game. And that builds confidence that you're actually doing the right things. And that's what I love about this book
02:00:32
in particular, Eat to Beat Disease, is that it also comes with lots of great recipes um inside the book. And um I
02:00:39
think that's super helpful because there's a lot of information here, but this makes it actionable. It's a it's a
02:00:45
really iconic book. It's such it's sold so incredibly well because also it's so unbelievably accessible to people who
02:00:50
aren't scientists and that are trying to find some things that they can add to their plate. Um and I think that's
02:00:57
essential to the approach that you take as well. You're not someone that's telling us we can't eat nice things and enjoy our life. You're talking about the
02:01:03
things that we should be adding to our plate to make our lives more um healthy and increase our longevity, which I'm
02:01:08
very excited about actually because you're writing a book about longevity, I hear. And um I'm very much awaiting that
02:01:15
book, which when when do you think that'll be due and ready? I don't uh I'm working on a manuscript, so I'm not ready to give a release date yet, but
02:01:21
you'll be the first to know. Okay, good. We have a a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next not knowing who
02:01:27
they're leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you is, how would you be able to tell that your time here
02:01:36
on Earth has been successful, that you've achieved what
02:01:42
you set out to achieve? Wow. I think I would
02:01:48
have two sides, two answers for that that represent different sides of the coin. For me, I think if I'm able to
02:01:57
have made my immediate community, my family better, that would uh be
02:02:05
meaningful, a meaningful life uh having been lived. And if you look at the whole
02:02:12
uh rest of my career and existence and how I spend my time, I want the work that I've done to
02:02:22
resonate with others in a way that can improve their lives. I'm, you know, what I do. I kind of say I'm taking one for
02:02:28
the team. The team being the rest of the world. And if I can contribute even a small piece that makes other people's
02:02:35
lives better, then I feel like, you know, I've done it. I've done my job. Well, that's what you're most certainly
02:02:41
doing, my friend, because you when I was looking through what you've accomplished in your life, um whether it's the all of
02:02:48
the FDA approved treatments for over 70 diseases, including cancers, diabetes, chronic wounds, and blindness that
02:02:53
you've helped to develop, um more than I could possibly count, or whether it's the work that you're doing through your foundation, which I think people should
02:03:00
uh check out, which is a nonprofit organization, which helps develop treatments for chronic diseases that are based on
02:03:05
angioenesis. You've most certainly done that and you continue to do that. But even maybe more importantly of all because there's so many billions of
02:03:12
people out there that are starved of the information that you have and that you find in your research laboratory is
02:03:17
you've come out into the world into the public forum and you're helping to articulate and demystify these
02:03:23
incredibly confusing things that people like me who didn't go and get a PhD or didn't go to Harvard don't understand.
02:03:30
And you're masterful at it. You really are masterful. your ability to break down. You know, I sit here week in week
02:03:36
out speaking to very very smart people and not all of them have the very important skill of being able to turn something very complicated into
02:03:42
something understandable. And that is a skill you have. It's a real real gift and especially your use of like metaphors and analogies which really
02:03:49
cement these ideas in our brain in a way that we can all understand. That for me is a really really important gift. So
02:03:54
long may you continue to continue your work of public communication as well because for people like me it it can
02:03:59
cause a penny drop moment that then leads us to change our lives for the better. So thank you. Thank well well thank you for inviting me. But you know
02:04:05
I would say that you know we also live in a time again this is about going into
02:04:11
the future. I'm always about moving into the future. Well, we have the platforms. We have, you know, I I went on to I
02:04:17
developed a YouTube channel because I realized it was a place for me to take to drink from the fire hydrant, distill
02:04:22
it, and figure out how I can deliver it in swift fashion, which would have been impossible 10 years ago. So, for
02:04:29
example, you know, we talked about how, you know, uh, when my uncles had had
02:04:35
cancer and passed away and I felt helpless, then my mother had it some years later and we had progress. we had
02:04:41
the ability to be able to do something different. Similarly for me, I look at my books, I look at my social channels,
02:04:47
my YouTube um uh platform as ways of being able to actually solve a problem that I felt like needed to be solved,
02:04:54
but I wasn't really sure how to do it until now. Dr. William Lee, I highly recommend everybody goes and checks out
02:04:59
your YouTube channel because it is fantastic and that's a great place to get more of this information, but also I'm going to link the YouTube channel
02:05:05
and all of these books below for anybody that wants to continue their journey of learning. Thank you. Thank you. I really
02:05:10
appreciate you being so generous with your time and wisdom. This has always blown my mind a
02:05:17
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