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the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. >> There's a photo I saw of you and your
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siblings where you're clutching your siblings. >> I think about that picture. I like that
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picture. But there was definitely I definitely had a protector role as the oldest. Things got hard between my
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parents and they would get in volatile fights. I would go get all my siblings, put them in my room. I'd go downstairs
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and handle it. You know, like I was definitely the protector. There was a yeah we had a lot of screaming and
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there's a certain like if you grew up with screaming hearing screaming through
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a wall >> you know that sound hypervigilant protective responsible with a dose of
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be very careful >> and and how did that change your model of love as a young person? It must have
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been because I mean I obviously feel the same way about about my situation and um
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I think the lesson I learned was that love was like a prison cuz it was my mom doing the shouting and my dad was the
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prisoner and he wouldn't respond. >> My definitely definitely got over the wall. Game
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recognized as game he had a wall. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. And so we had long conversations
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about our walls and and slowly through those conversations those walls crumbled with each other and we've been together
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now for 38 years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. The hardest thing I've ever done
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in my