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well hello hello hello welcome back to
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the ex- homeschoolers club uh I am of
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course your host Jacob Gooden um back
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again with my wonderful lovely friend an
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and Lee we uh we're just talking about
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how we have known each other for going
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on 12 years at this point um and uh
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we've been trying to got to backtrack
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and figure out uh yeah some things but
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uh we're going to continue to discuss it
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while recording so anly welcome to the
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show it's great to have you hi I'm so
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happy to be
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here like I said we've known each other
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for like 12ish years um I we met for Mrs
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yip's uh writing class so shout out Mrs
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Yip and I think we did two years of that
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class together maybe yeah it must have
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been two years I think I yeah I went to
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public school after that so don't tell
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anybody but yeah I left well we'll get
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into that we'll get into that you went
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to the dark side um I did
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but um so I before Mrs yip's class I
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don't remember you from any homeschool
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anything and that's not to say maybe our
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path had crossed before that but give me
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the breakdown of like being a homeschool
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kid how long were you homeschooled you
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just said you went to public school for
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some of it like give me the give me the
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rundown yeah so I mean I went to a
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private elementary school um which is it
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was like a wal dwarf Elementary School
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which is kind of I mean it's tangential
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to homeschooling they like focus on
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liberal arts um and I kind of hated that
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school and so at fifth grade I think it
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must have been fifth grade um I started
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homeschooling my Mom hated Public
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Schools so she was just like we're gonna
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do anything but um put you in public
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school so homeschool from fifth grade
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through sopore year of high school
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um I mean I think homeschooling I mean
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home so different now but it's kind of
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like an Antiquated term because I think
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like homeschooling doesn't mean you're
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at home all the time which I think is a
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huge I don't know misconception about it
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um but yeah was homeschooled G sophomore
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year and then I wrote my parents a
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letter and I was like I would like to go
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to public school so I went to public
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school for two years at the end of high
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school and that was kind of insane but
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I'm glad that I did that in the end I
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think it's a good experience
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yeah so okay first of all why a letter
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and
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then and then secondly what was that
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change like was it I mean you like you
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said You' already kind of gone to
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some private public school kind of
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environment before you had been in a
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classroom before but yeah okay letter
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and then and then what was the shift
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like I mean I wrote a letter because I
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think I I mean I don't particularly love
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talking in most environment in most
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environments um hey it's on you for
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having me on this show okay um but yeah
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I wrote them a letter because I think I
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wanted to like have a very concise way
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of explaining why I wanted to go to
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public school um and my dad was always
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Pro public school and so it was really
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it was really just kind of for my mom
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but um I think the letter just I don't
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even remember now but I think it just
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kind of said that like I was writing a
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lot when I was 13 or 14 and I was like I
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can't write about high school
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experiences because I don't even know
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what a locker room looks like I don't
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know what walking down the hallway looks
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like I don't know what having five
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minutes before class looks like um and
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so I felt like that was just really
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lacking and all my friends went to like
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the high school um by my house and I was
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like I know people it's not going to be
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a big deal so yeah I mean the transition
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was it was a lot I mean there's a lot of
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busy work in high school that you don't
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have in homeschooling and I think that's
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kind of the main I mean that's the main
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draw to homeschooling as an idea I think
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for me um but I think it it was great
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because you're around a lot of people
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and in homeschooling you're around some
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people but there I in my experience like
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it was from a lot of different areas so
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it would be like what I mean it was like
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you and that class was like a specific
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English class click and then there was
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like a different click I had for like a
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science class and a different group I
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had for like an outdoors class and a
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different like extracurricular group and
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so it was just too too much for me I was
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like I just need like a
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Consolidated um friend group I guess
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yeah yeah I feel that that's that's an
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interesting way to put it well also I
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think you're different in it from the
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other guests that I've had on so far
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because most of the guests I've had on
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so far we all lived in Ventura ohigh
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area you did not live in that area and
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so yeah like you were separate from a
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lot of that group
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because because ation yeah and like um I
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mean you you slowly became integrated I
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mean especially you were friends with me
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Emily um and Colin uh but you know and I
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know you started coming to like the
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dances and stuff like that but uh but
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yeah I remember like if we wanted to go
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to something you were doing we had we to
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go quite a ways uh Thousand Oaks G Maria
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oh my God that's right you kind of went
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to a choir concert or something of mine
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that's crazy I about that we did yeah
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yeah Emily was like we're going to go do
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this we're going to go support her um
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and and she's like you're
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driving yeah yeah that she's like yeah
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Jacob you're going to come pick us all
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up um and we're gonna go do this thing
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so and we made it happen but Mrs Yip was
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there too shout out to Mrs y again um
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yes yeah I I guess the qu you might not
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know the answer to this but like how did
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you get tied into like Mrs yip's writing
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class then because I honestly I think I
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think my mom must have known someone in
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another class or heard about her
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through someone else um and I remember
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not wanting to go to that class because
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I'd heard that mrsf was kind of strict
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or scary about like grammar I don't I
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mean we had a band list of words right
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and that that list of words is still in
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my head to this day um so I was scared
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to go to that class I like didn't want
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to be forced into a
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classroom but I mean I think it was
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great I I mean we're still friends
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so yeah something worked out
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yeah know it's funny because yeah Mrs
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zep's class was so interesting because
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it was like it was a mix of like all
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kinds of different writing like I
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remember doing creative writing I
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remember doing essay writing um that was
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very like researched um that was very
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researched um uh Wikipedia researched um
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on my end um but yeah the band the band
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Words List was always really interesting
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it was all words that we couldn't use in
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our papers we got dinged points for that
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um the uh the sentence openers that was
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a worksheet that was like fantastic for
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me because you know when you write so
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much it's like if you don't know what
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you're doing your sentences all start to
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sound the same right it's like I this he
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that you know and they they all kind of
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start in a similar pattern uh and so
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learning like oh okay here's how to
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start with this and here's like how to
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pose a question and here's like all
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those different things was super
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interesting it was something I used in
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college too uh I don't know about like I
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had that sheet just like plastered in my
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door DM room a print
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out yeah no seriously I like add it
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taped in my dorm room or my desk or
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something uh and I used it for all kinds
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of stuff and yeah and it I mean came in
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so clutch I had to write like a law
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paper at one point for entertainment
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industry and that was like you know it
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was my paper was more interesting than
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something else I mean it was still
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boring it's a law of paper but I was
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like okay I gotta I gotta fit in all
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this stuff that has been taught you know
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um I don't know but what a great way to
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meet I know that class was so fun yeah
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yeah and yeah that was I I feel like you
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and I didn't really get along at the
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beginning
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um I don't remember
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that I possible I mean I get along with
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anyone I feel we just kind of poked each
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other's buttons a little bit we just
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knew how to kind of like intentionally
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though yeah yeah yeah from a place of
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Love yeah
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totally um that's yeah uh anyway um but
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yeah I mean you slowly it was cool that
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I mean you became obviously we had a
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friend group from that class and then we
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ended up like doing stuff together and
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hanging out and you started coming to
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the dances um even though you Dan they
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were crazy that that was even those
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existed at all I mean I mean I I I mean
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ballroom dancing is one thing but like
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getting that many people together in one
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room to ballroom dance is
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crazy I'm interested because like like I
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said you were kind of an outsider to
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that group so like we all knew each
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other very like a lot of us had grown up
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together so like was it just really I
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don't know did it feel like oh my gosh
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these are the weirdo homeschool kids
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that like I like or was it like I don't
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know like what what was that like I
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guess I mean I think when you homeschool
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and like it depends on how your parents
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did it but like I think you learn how to
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code switch a lot um and I I mean I
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think that's one of the things that I
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learned that I still use obviously to
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this day would be like code switching
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between groups of people and like how
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you're interacting or talking with those
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groups of people um so I never thought
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that anybody was super weird but I think
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that I probably then like you know
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pulled the lever of like I'm going to be
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weirder when I'm with them or I'm going
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to be more homeschooled or I'm going to
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be more into ballroom dancing um I was
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always into BM dancing actually but but
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I mean bomom dancing in a group of
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people like that was insane um so I
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don't know I mean I didn't think you
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guys are weird I mean I'm pretty weird
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though so my judgment is is not
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great we were weird
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um you yeah you're being nice still are
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weird you know oh yeah no
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100% so okay so you homeschooled through
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sophomore year going into High School
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junior year senior
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year mainly for kind of like that
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experience because you like you said in
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your in your letter you were like I need
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to understand what it's like to have a
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locker and be in a locker room um and
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all that kind of stuff but um what came
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what what came after high school was it
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College immediately did you take some
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time off like you know I went straight
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into college um okay yeah it was school
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for so many years I mean s 17 years I
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straight um and every time I've had a
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break I've realized that like there's
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there's so many other things outside of
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school and it's crazy to think that
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we're both kind of you know adults so to
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speak now but it's weird to think that
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we're adults like and think that it was
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15 years ago is that like I was
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homeschooled like I don't even
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homeschooling isn't even a big part of
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my it's a big part of my identity but
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it's not a big part of my elevator pitch
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like when I meet people like do you
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still list off like that you were
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homeschooled when you're like laundry
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listing things you've done in your life
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not really I mean it's it's sometimes
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part of like it depends on the situation
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right um but
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it's yeah it's like one of those things
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things where it depends on the situation
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honestly um if I'm meeting somebody who
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is like a in a Homeschool Group
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obviously it's like yeah okay I'm GNA
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bring up that I was also a homeschool
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kid you know um but yeah if I'm meeting
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if I'm networking at an event or
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something like that it's not my go-to
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like oh I was a homes school kid it's
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not part of my identity I'm not ashamed
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of it in any way but I'm like I go more
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towards that like I'm a podcast editor
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I'm a producer I'm a Creator I'm you
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know I'm this I'm a that I manage these
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of things right that's more in line with
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like who I identify as currently um no
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that's an interesting question cuz yeah
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I do I mean doing the show now I'm kind
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of putting it more forward it's like hey
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this is a big part of who I was um but
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yeah but I this show was started mostly
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from the the selfish standpoint of I
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want to know what all of my friends are
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doing today because I think a lot of
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them are doing really cool stuff um and
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I just want to talk to them about it and
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hear about it and then in the process
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also reminisce about some stuff and then
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hear about their homeschool Journey like
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like we were talking about it's like I
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didn't really know that you went to
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school then you were homeschooled then
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you went back to school and then on to
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college it's like I didn't even know
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that because I knew you during the home
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school years that's about it you know
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yeah they're eras they're very distinct
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eras you know like if we get an eras
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toour it' be like super distinctive my
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school yes yes absolutely so okay so
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seven years in college wait no five
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years in college five years in college
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you said 17 years of school in total so
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five years of college was that just a
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bachelor's degree or did you end up
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doing like a
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master's doctorate I did did I did a
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master's um so I did four years of my
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undergrad and then a year um abroad but
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it was during covid so it was not really
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abroad um for my masters and that was
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just like I mean it was an English Lit
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so it's not I wouldn't say I'm like a
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master at anything uh just reading a lot
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and writing a lot but but yeah I mean it
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was it was nice during covid because
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like what else is I gonna do anyway yeah
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exactly the world shut down it's like
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yeah what do you might as well read get
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also a degree for it yeah exactly no
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that's so did you also did you get your
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undergrad in English as well yeah I
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double majored in English lit and public
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relations so like English Lit was like
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what I would have preferred to do only
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but like public relations was like the
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Practical I can get a job with this
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application so yeah but it's all writing
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yeah no exactly and no and you have to
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have that
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good you have to have the good combo of
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both right and uh yeah I I recently met
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uh a PR person that works with one of my
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clients and we met a while back and
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she's very good at what she does and uh
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we sat down and I was just like asking I
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was like well what do you do like kind
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of like what is your job and like how do
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you get your job and like all this stuff
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and she's like well you have to have a
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really good understanding of writing and
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I was like okay I'm out but I was like
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that's awesome like you know I I'm not I
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don't write that's not my thing that's
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not my specialty um sorry Mrs yep I I
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gave up on writing a long time ago but
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um
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yeah anyway but uh okay so PR and in
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English and then we were talking you
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kind of did some like brand strategy
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marketing type stuff after that um yeah
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for careerwise but like yeah so tell me
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a little bit about that and like what
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did that entail what that look like I
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mean right out of college I got a job at
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a brand strategy agency um and branding
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is I mean people always ask me what it
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is because they think it's like the
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Kardashians um but branding corporate
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branding more is like the step before
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marketing so we would be writing like
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how I would be writing how you
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communicate as a brand what you should
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say and how you should um like change
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what you say depending on the audience
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um so that was just very strategic
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writing and I think it came pretty
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naturally after PR because most of the
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pr stuff that I learned in internships
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or at school was was pretty it was
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pretty much strategic communication so
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um I mean I I love branding most of the
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work I do now for freelance is like
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copywriting um which is less interesting
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sometimes because it's less strategic um
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where it's less of like the part of a
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brand that stays there forever because
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it could be like a social media post or
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a blog post or whatever so but I don't
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know I mean all of it's strategic I
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think writing is very strategy driven
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and I think strategy is also very
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writing driven because if you can't
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write it you're not gonna be able to
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really say it um right yeah a lot of
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writing always a lot of writing no
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that's that's super cool because
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like I've worked with a couple Brands
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now who some have successfully launched
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and they tend to have that element of
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like coming up with the strategy behind
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the wording and the vision and all of
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those things um and then I've worked
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with some other brands who are just kind
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of like fly by the seat of their pants
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and they're like we'll figure it out as
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we go and six months down the line we're
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like screwed um yeah it's so
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inconsistent exactly so um yeah so for
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those listening if you are thinking
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about starting a brand uh either hire
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anly or invest in some good
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people um to help you kind of create
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that strategy around your brain because
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uh it will it will take you a lot
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farther than you think it also makes it
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easier when people like me come in who
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my job is more on the production side of
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like creating a podcast or creating
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social content or something like that
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it's a lot easier when you already have
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that guide those guidelines of like this
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is how we write this is the style all
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that kind of thing because otherwise I'm
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winging it and I'm doing it in my own
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voice and that's not in line with your
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BR is yeah anyway
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okay no that's I I love chatting about
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this stuff I I honestly like this
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is about 50% of the conversations I have
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with people at this point are around
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this type of stuff where it's like we
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got to sit down and strategize and like
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I am not the pr person to go to but you
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know you pick up things as you go along
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the lines it's like I've been doing this
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for five years now it's like you kind of
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pick up what works and what doesn't work
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at some point and so
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um it's just been yeah it's just an
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interesting thing where you just kind of
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I don't know I don't know if you ever
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have this with a client where you can
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sit down and you're just like you get it
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and it's very clear like what you want
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and how we can get you there and other
00:18:42
people you're like this is going to be
00:18:44
work to get you to that point yeah it's
00:18:47
crazy when that happens you're kind it's
00:18:49
like meeting someone and you're like I
00:18:50
don't understand you at all like I don't
00:18:53
even understand on surface level like
00:18:56
what you are and then you get to know
00:18:58
them and you're like don't know either
00:18:59
this is this is really annoying like
00:19:01
what am I supposed to do with this how
00:19:02
are we supposed to be friends what do we
00:19:04
have in common like nothing of course
00:19:06
yeah yeah no it's funny I so in college
00:19:11
the my I I majored in uh music business
00:19:14
so entertainment business my goal was to
00:19:17
manage bands manage creatives which is
00:19:20
kind of weirdly what I do now anyways um
00:19:22
it's just not with musicians it's with
00:19:25
podcasters but what was crazy was
00:19:27
working with musicians you realize I
00:19:29
mean these people are like I was going
00:19:31
to name my brand like head in the cloud
00:19:33
Studios or head in the cloud something
00:19:35
because it was just like these people
00:19:36
who their head was in the clouds and
00:19:38
they just like they are the idea they
00:19:40
and they suffer from like uh shiny
00:19:42
object syndrome right where it's like
00:19:44
they see this thing and they're like go
00:19:45
go go go go that's the thing and they
00:19:46
pull it towards them uh right and then
00:19:48
they get bored of it and then the next
00:19:50
thing comes along and they you know go
00:19:51
over here and it's like we have to hone
00:19:53
you in we have to figure out how to do
00:19:54
that and so um it's people like you who
00:19:57
really can help with that because yeah
00:20:00
just oh my God like dealing with those
00:20:03
people's insane sometimes you're like
00:20:05
yeah I don't know I've gotten offs out
00:20:07
of meetings yeah exactly and I'm just
00:20:09
like where's a pillow I'm gonna scream
00:20:10
into
00:20:12
it better the pillow than like at them
00:20:15
so yeah absolutely um yeah no you got to
00:20:19
learn to it takes a it takes a special
00:20:21
person sometimes to to handle uh
00:20:24
creative people um and you know create
00:20:27
the the systematized steps basically I I
00:20:30
tell people I'm like your job is to be
00:20:31
creative and my job is to give you the
00:20:34
framework to do it inside of um framewor
00:20:36
are important yeah and if we can get
00:20:39
there you're set you're gonna do really
00:20:42
well um yeah
00:20:44
so very cool well Okay so we've talked
00:20:51
business and we talked some
00:20:53
homeschooling um I have been just like
00:20:56
the last couple days in prepping for you
00:20:59
to to come on the show been like
00:21:01
reminiscing about I don't know just
00:21:04
things we did and like Adventures we
00:21:06
went on and things like that and the one
00:21:09
that always comes to my brain is the
00:21:10
photo show in your backyard at the beach
00:21:13
um where you and Emily you guys clearly
00:21:16
knew what kind of you were doing um when
00:21:18
it came to taking photos and Colin and I
00:21:20
had no freaking clue what we were doing
00:21:24
um some of those photos are hilarious to
00:21:27
this day
00:21:29
yes and they're going to get posted some
00:21:31
of them as of recording some of them did
00:21:33
get posted today uh with Emily's episode
00:21:35
but more of them are going to get posted
00:21:37
uh when this episode comes out as well
00:21:39
because they're just hilarious and too
00:21:43
good yeah I know you and Emily were
00:21:44
really into photography are you still
00:21:46
into photography is that a big part of
00:21:49
stuff though I mean I was I'm I yes I
00:21:55
think the reason I like photography is
00:21:57
one it's very creative it's great all
00:21:59
the reasons someone likes photography I
00:22:01
think the other reason is I hate being
00:22:03
photographed and so the best way to not
00:22:06
be photographed is to literally pull out
00:22:08
a camera and be like I'm taking a
00:22:09
picture of you and like so sorry but
00:22:12
like I'm not going to be in the picture
00:22:14
um so yeah I mean I I still take a ton
00:22:16
of photos to this day I my camera roll
00:22:19
is a mess um I was the vice president of
00:22:22
USC's photo club and college which is a
00:22:25
really random flex and very nerdy but
00:22:28
but yeah but again it was all about that
00:22:31
was all about like being behind the
00:22:33
camera so I don't have to be in front of
00:22:35
it I mean you know who likes being in
00:22:38
front of the
00:22:39
camera some people I know some people
00:22:43
it's the creativ yeah I think why you
00:22:45
and I get along so well is we are cut
00:22:49
from a similar cloth of like yeah I I
00:22:52
hate to say we're behind the scenes
00:22:54
people but we kind of are the behind the
00:22:56
scenes people that make
00:22:59
we make the world turn um yeah we make
00:23:01
things work come on yeah
00:23:04
exactly we're great exactly um so that's
00:23:09
funny to hear that yeah I I don't blame
00:23:12
you I don't like being on camera the
00:23:14
fact that I'm doing this podcast now I
00:23:15
mean it's been I know why couldn't it
00:23:17
just be audio I mean yeah why not not to
00:23:21
roast format but I bought a microphone
00:23:23
for this podcast to start a podcast in
00:23:26
2017 2017 201 18 2017 bought a podcast
00:23:31
never used it sat in the corner didn't
00:23:33
ever get used um for years and years and
00:23:36
years have like prepped podcasts to go
00:23:38
out like up to the point of recording
00:23:41
and then it's just like never happened
00:23:43
and it's always been imposter syndrome
00:23:45
that stopped me from doing it and uh
00:23:48
yeah and then I finally hit publish and
00:23:50
here we are um you know it's fun though
00:23:54
I feel like doing that fun yeah forcing
00:23:56
yourself to be in front of the camera
00:23:58
and Stu
00:23:59
exactly it's like yeah kind of putting a
00:24:01
switch on it because you know what it
00:24:02
takes to be on the other side of the
00:24:04
camera right you know what it it should
00:24:06
be easy exactly theoretically it should
00:24:09
Bey because you're like I know what goes
00:24:13
into it I know the head space I have to
00:24:15
be in but it like oh my God it's so much
00:24:17
harder than so hard I ever thought it
00:24:20
would be so um yeah oh my gosh anyway
00:24:26
but um was okay
00:24:29
are there any homeschool stories that as
00:24:31
you've been kind of thinking about has
00:24:33
anything popped in your brain lately of
00:24:35
like oh my gosh I forgot about this I
00:24:36
blacked this out um story-wise of just
00:24:40
things that happened when you were a
00:24:42
homeschool
00:24:43
kid oh I mean there's so many
00:24:47
things I'm trying to think of one that
00:24:49
has to do with you
00:24:54
um I don't know a lot of the memories I
00:24:57
have of like you and Emily and Colin are
00:24:59
just like hanging
00:25:01
out
00:25:03
and we're all in a big group and then I
00:25:06
felt like all of my interactions were
00:25:09
still centered around like you Emily and
00:25:12
Colin like I can remember specific
00:25:14
incidents of like looking at Emily and
00:25:17
knowing we're thinking the same thing
00:25:18
about nobody else in the room but the
00:25:20
four of us like it was a weird it was
00:25:22
like a weird little click within a click
00:25:24
and I have no idea why it was like that
00:25:26
and it still feels like that to this day
00:25:28
like when I see Emily we just talk about
00:25:30
and we talk about like nf's class it's
00:25:32
always just about the four of us and
00:25:34
then we can't remember the names of
00:25:35
anybody else in class which is insane no
00:25:38
same I like
00:25:40
legitimately yeah no clue who anybody
00:25:43
else was in that class besides the four
00:25:45
of us so I don't know what that is
00:25:46
that's yeah yeah I was something that
00:25:50
came to mind recently was and I I want
00:25:53
to say you were there I believe it was
00:25:55
Colin's birthday and we went to to the
00:25:58
summers's house and they rented we went
00:26:01
on a scavenger hunt do you remember this
00:26:03
I don't remember the scavenger hunt but
00:26:05
now I remember the party like you you
00:26:07
Unearthed it uh yeah so okay so here's
00:26:11
what I remember and Colin's got to come
00:26:13
on the show at some point because maybe
00:26:14
he can set this all straight if I've got
00:26:16
it if I've got it crooked um what I
00:26:20
remember is going to The Summer's house
00:26:21
it was surprise party for Colin he shows
00:26:23
up and then they ended up surprising all
00:26:26
the rest of us by being like we're going
00:26:28
on scavenger hunt and there's a limo
00:26:29
parked outside we were like okay and it
00:26:33
was just that it was a giant scavenger
00:26:35
hunt we jumped in limo we drove all
00:26:36
around Ventura went to the beach we went
00:26:39
downtown Ventura we went like I'm trying
00:26:41
to even remember where else but yeah
00:26:42
basically we drove around for hours on
00:26:44
end doing the scavenger hunt thing for
00:26:47
Colin's birthday and uh yeah and I
00:26:50
remember there
00:26:51
being a good number of people there um
00:26:54
but yeah just another one of those like
00:26:57
I wouldn't say that's exclusive
00:26:58
exclusively like homeschool kid story
00:26:59
that's obviously like just a birthday
00:27:01
party that anybody could have but uh but
00:27:05
all of the people there were hes school
00:27:07
kids um yeah so dang I don't remember
00:27:11
there being a limo I remember the party
00:27:13
I don't remember there being a
00:27:14
limo wasn't a limo I don't know I mean
00:27:17
that's a pretty big
00:27:20
make come set off the photos he'll be
00:27:23
like here's you and limo like obviously
00:27:26
photoshopped
00:27:30
no for sure but oh man I don't know I I
00:27:34
agree with you that it's hard to think
00:27:36
of one instance because I feel like a
00:27:38
lot of my memories with you guys are
00:27:39
just like you said there events that
00:27:41
there was a lot of people there but for
00:27:43
whatever reason they're just centered
00:27:45
around the four of us and I don't know I
00:27:47
don't know what like what that is about
00:27:49
that but yeah I don't know some kind of
00:27:53
special connection I guess yeah between
00:27:55
the four of us crazy
00:27:59
yeah okay so one of the things we were
00:28:01
talking about before we hit record was
00:28:04
Mrs y's class and you told me that you
00:28:07
dug up a poem that supposedly is written
00:28:10
about me yeah so I I mean you know what
00:28:15
I think we were in the phase of class
00:28:17
where we were writing poem parodies so
00:28:19
supposed to be like structured the same
00:28:21
as another poem what's crazy is I don't
00:28:24
remember the original poem that I based
00:28:26
it on but I think it I feel like I had a
00:28:30
dream not about you but about a
00:28:32
situation and then I just applied it to
00:28:34
the poem and then for some reason the
00:28:36
individual in the poem and I can read it
00:28:39
but the individual in the poem like
00:28:40
became
00:28:42
you um so it's titled the heart and the
00:28:47
hat and it goes he shot his heart into
00:28:51
the air it fell to Earth into a girl's
00:28:55
hair for so so horrible his aim its
00:28:59
flight ended up nowhere near his heart's
00:29:02
Delight the wind whisked his hat into
00:29:05
the air he cursed and swore and ran as
00:29:08
fast as he dared for his legs and feet
00:29:11
could barely beat the rapid whisk that
00:29:14
the wind did
00:29:15
Fleet super wordy um a short time
00:29:19
afterward with much of a plight he found
00:29:22
the hat with his heart's Delight but now
00:29:24
his heart present no more couldn't help
00:29:28
and he could only
00:29:31
abhor no
00:29:34
idea it's a mystery I it's absurd I
00:29:38
don't even like who was I
00:29:40
talking it was definitely your hat
00:29:43
though that's the only thing I remember
00:29:45
it was like a hat that you used to wear
00:29:46
in
00:29:47
class yeah I guess yeah I've yeah pretty
00:29:50
much always been a hat boy so yeah the
00:29:52
hat and the red pants I mean those are
00:29:54
your two iconic
00:29:56
things yeah yep yeah no I'm much more
00:30:00
basic now um yeah much more neutral
00:30:04
colors but so boring I you know when you
00:30:07
read the first line of that it reminded
00:30:09
me there's a poem that is like he shot
00:30:12
an arrow yes it's that one yeah and I
00:30:15
don't know what that poem is called but
00:30:17
that's what it reminded me of so yeah
00:30:19
that's what it's about but I agree with
00:30:21
you I think I do remember that being a
00:30:23
thing where she was like okay yeah
00:30:24
you're going to take a famous not even a
00:30:26
famous poem just a poem and recreate it
00:30:28
in whatever or memorize it or memorize
00:30:33
it or yeah something I we memorize poems
00:30:35
every week it's crazy yeah yeah no I I
00:30:39
love Mrs yep for pushing us to do poetry
00:30:42
and I took another writing class with
00:30:43
somebody else um that they also pushed
00:30:47
us to do poetry as well and that was
00:30:49
always like um I don't know it's hard
00:30:52
it's not like I'm not good at it I'm not
00:30:54
a good writer but um but I don't know
00:30:58
just poetry is really it's really
00:30:59
beautiful to me so yeah it's good to
00:31:02
appreciate it even if you can't do it so
00:31:05
what is next for an and Lee like what is
00:31:09
next on the docket as far as Adventures
00:31:11
go as far as life goes um you know I
00:31:15
know you travel quite a bit or so it
00:31:16
seems so it seems you travel quite a bit
00:31:18
so it seems on social media yes um uh
00:31:22
and have been to many beautiful
00:31:24
wonderful places but is there anything
00:31:26
exciting coming down the
00:31:28
pipeline I mean I've been freelancing a
00:31:31
lot so I think professionally at least I
00:31:35
think some sort of like longer term goal
00:31:38
and I was talking about this with some
00:31:39
of my designer friends because again I'm
00:31:41
not like visually Super Creative um but
00:31:45
you know words and visuals but I it' be
00:31:48
great to open like a small like brand
00:31:51
like creative brand Studio something
00:31:53
like that um I
00:31:55
think I mean it's like you said like I
00:31:57
think I have a big interest in like
00:32:00
Frameworks and infrastructure of like
00:32:01
how the internal things work and how
00:32:03
that can like really affect the external
00:32:05
elements of something so I think owning
00:32:08
a company or like not managing other
00:32:10
people because that sounds weird but
00:32:11
like owning the workflow of how certain
00:32:14
systems are organized would be really
00:32:15
fun for me um so I've been looking into
00:32:18
that a lot I think I think it'd be
00:32:20
really interesting to create some sort
00:32:23
of agency or Studio that
00:32:26
really Bridges a wi that I I think there
00:32:29
is between like Freelancers and agencies
00:32:31
like I think if you're paying so much
00:32:33
for a world class agency or paying not
00:32:35
very much for a freelancer there's got
00:32:37
to be an in between for someone who's
00:32:39
like a middle middle siiz like middle
00:32:43
Revenue company um yeah so yeah I've
00:32:46
been doing some market research but
00:32:47
that's about it no that's super cool
00:32:49
where do you think your like interest
00:32:53
love came for like the words and like
00:32:58
the the fra finding the frame where do
00:33:00
you think that like came from like do
00:33:02
you think that you've had that for a
00:33:03
while from being a little kid or is it
00:33:05
something that like you just kind of
00:33:08
like I took one class and it just like
00:33:10
it hooked me it just solidified that it
00:33:12
was like this is the thing I mean I
00:33:14
don't know I've always enjoyed writing
00:33:15
I've always enjoyed reading I think I
00:33:18
mean I was homeschooled and then before
00:33:19
that um the the Waldorf School I went to
00:33:22
like sort of didn't believe or didn't
00:33:24
advocate for um like forcing a child to
00:33:26
learn how to read
00:33:28
so like they they advocated for like I
00:33:31
know they advocated for like
00:33:34
you pre a certain age like they
00:33:37
advocated that you just kind of like let
00:33:38
your child learn as they go um and I was
00:33:42
someone that was like I want to read
00:33:44
this book and so I kind of just like
00:33:46
taught myself how to read at one point
00:33:47
like I just like forced myself to learn
00:33:49
how to read I have no idea how this
00:33:50
happened I've been told this is what
00:33:52
happened um so I think I always had like
00:33:55
a like an interest in reading and
00:33:57
interest in words um the systems thing
00:34:00
is interesting though I feel like that's
00:34:01
just I feel like when you work behind
00:34:03
the scenes on anything like a podcast
00:34:06
like even like a PowerPoint deck you
00:34:09
start to realize like why is like this
00:34:12
like why is this so bad why is this
00:34:14
organized so bad and you're like I can't
00:34:16
even be efficient so like how so like
00:34:18
how can I make this better so that I'm
00:34:19
more efficient um and I think if you
00:34:22
have like a a natural tendency towards
00:34:24
that then you're like I'm gonna let me
00:34:25
reorganize this whole Google Drive and
00:34:29
like make it make sense to me so that it
00:34:31
you know it's easier for other people so
00:34:33
I don't know why do I mean why do you
00:34:35
like systems and
00:34:37
infrastructure you know I think so I'm
00:34:40
the oldest in my family and I think that
00:34:44
with that come there's a certain
00:34:45
personality type that the oldest kid
00:34:47
always is so tie that in with I'm also a
00:34:52
Leo um which if you believe in that or
00:34:55
not it's just I me I'm a Virgo so makes
00:34:58
sense to me makes sense um uh so like
00:35:02
one of the traits of being a Leo is kind
00:35:04
of a leadership which tends to result in
00:35:07
some organization stuff but being the
00:35:10
firstborn I think resulted in just a lot
00:35:13
of unintentionally I think there's a lot
00:35:16
of expectation when you're a firstborn
00:35:17
and so you kind of become a systematized
00:35:20
person this isn't true for everybody it
00:35:22
just was true for me always very clean
00:35:24
always very neat just like school work
00:35:26
done on time that kind of thing and so I
00:35:28
think that that just played into I mean
00:35:31
I remember being in college and when
00:35:33
kids were late to school or you do a gr
00:35:35
project and there's that one kid who
00:35:37
like yeah you go gole drive and you're
00:35:39
like you're like what the hell is going
00:35:41
on in here um I just have always been
00:35:44
that person to fix it and make it like
00:35:45
and then create some kind of system of
00:35:48
like here's how we're going to do it um
00:35:50
and explain it to everybody um and so
00:35:52
that's funny enough well yeah I edit and
00:35:55
I do all this stuff behind this SC for
00:35:57
podcast I I think the biggest thing that
00:35:58
I've done for a lot of people is just
00:36:00
create that framework of like this is
00:36:02
what your show is going to look like
00:36:04
it's going to have XYZ components we lay
00:36:06
it out for you this is how we're going
00:36:08
to record them you know boom boom boom
00:36:10
boom boom and and then here's what
00:36:13
happens so once it's recorded you know
00:36:15
or here's pre-production here's you know
00:36:17
actual production and then here's
00:36:18
post-production kind of a thing and uh I
00:36:21
don't know I just like like you said I
00:36:23
think it's one of those things that I
00:36:25
didn't really realize until I started
00:36:27
actually like doing stuff that I was
00:36:29
like oh okay
00:36:30
I'm this is what I think I'm supposed to
00:36:33
do um and so found that kind of I don't
00:36:37
know I just you find what you're good at
00:36:39
and then you're like I I think I'm just
00:36:40
going to stick with this until it
00:36:41
doesn't work anymore right yeah yeah and
00:36:44
ideally if you've set it upright it
00:36:45
works forever exactly exactly I will ask
00:36:50
you this though because I mean you
00:36:51
understand the freelance thing as well
00:36:53
as I do but like have you had any of
00:36:56
those moments of like
00:36:58
crap I got to go get a real job at this
00:37:00
point like maybe money's not coming in
00:37:02
or you're just like I'm living in
00:37:03
fantasy land I shouldn't be making this
00:37:05
kind of money like yeah I mean I think I
00:37:09
think every freelancer um and at least
00:37:11
all the ones I know they've gone through
00:37:13
that moment of like why am I doing this
00:37:15
like what what am I getting out of this
00:37:17
why is it worth it like am I even like
00:37:19
what's the point and really actually
00:37:21
though what is the point right I think I
00:37:24
mean I I've had this moment with school
00:37:25
and homeschooling too of like why why am
00:37:27
I bother like why why would I do this
00:37:29
like why am I homeschooled why am I in
00:37:31
public school like what was the point of
00:37:33
all of this if I could have just learned
00:37:34
it like on my own hypothetically because
00:37:37
there's no way I could have kept myself
00:37:39
accountable in any way with stuff like
00:37:41
that but I mean I think we all have that
00:37:44
moment of like why am I doing this yeah
00:37:47
no 100% I to the point where I I
00:37:51
basically
00:37:52
had all of my clients dry up at one
00:37:55
point and I was like I just was like oh
00:37:57
great I'm out of luck right now and
00:37:59
uh I started going on job interviews and
00:38:01
I went and did a job interview for
00:38:03
Enterprise Rena car and I was just like
00:38:05
I just need a job and I was like and
00:38:07
they the the reason I went to them was
00:38:09
one I was like I could do this job and
00:38:11
two they have a career path set out for
00:38:13
you they have a system in place and I
00:38:15
was like I'm attracted to that you know
00:38:17
um they have a system in place you start
00:38:19
here and you're going to end up managing
00:38:20
your own branch of the store or whatever
00:38:22
and I was like okay that's attractive I
00:38:24
did the interview and the guy
00:38:25
legitimately told me he's like one
00:38:27
you've got the job if you want it but
00:38:29
two he's like I don't think you should
00:38:30
take this job because you are not going
00:38:32
to be passionate about this like you
00:38:33
have a passion for this other thing to
00:38:35
go pursue your own stuff and you should
00:38:37
just like lean full into that and it's
00:38:39
so weird because like it was one of
00:38:41
those moments where it was an aha moment
00:38:43
for me
00:38:44
where I I it's one thing to have like
00:38:48
your wife your mom your dad tell you
00:38:51
like yeah you could do this you know
00:38:53
it's another thing to have somebody who
00:38:54
you have just met for 20 minutes be like
00:38:57
no you're really passionate about this
00:38:59
like why are you here yeah yeah exactly
00:39:02
that was a legitimate his question he's
00:39:03
like I don't understand why you're here
00:39:05
like just go get somebody else to fill
00:39:07
the empty void you know yeah
00:39:10
um so yeah that's a thing I mean I yeah
00:39:14
encouragement from strangers is a big
00:39:16
that outside perspective is so important
00:39:18
I think especially when I think
00:39:22
especially when you're trying to do
00:39:23
something that you like doing because
00:39:25
most people don't like their job and
00:39:26
they're doing it all day and it's crazy
00:39:30
to think that like you could I mean you
00:39:33
could just do anything and make a lot of
00:39:34
money but oh 100% I mean the way the
00:39:38
world is set up now yeah exactly
00:39:39
whatever you're passionate about you
00:39:40
chase the passion and I mean if you want
00:39:43
to monetize it you can monetize it you
00:39:46
know yeah it's hypothetic very very do
00:39:49
yeah hypothetically but it takes the
00:39:51
passion to actually make it happen you
00:39:52
know um that's that's the big thing is
00:39:56
like I I only work with clients who if
00:40:00
they come to me and they're like my goal
00:40:02
I'm gonna I want to start the show it's
00:40:04
going to replace my income it's going to
00:40:05
do all these things in six months I'm
00:40:06
like cool I think you're doing it for
00:40:09
the wrong reason they just want to do it
00:40:11
so they can quit their 9et to-5 and I'm
00:40:12
like that's the wrong reason to want to
00:40:13
do this I think you should want to do
00:40:15
what you start a podcast or YouTube
00:40:18
channel or Tik Tok account or whatever
00:40:20
for the sole reason of you have a
00:40:22
passion to do this and you have a
00:40:23
passion to communicate whatever and
00:40:24
educate in whatever capacity uh it is
00:40:28
entertain whatever um I don't know I
00:40:31
think that's just like an important
00:40:33
thing of like if you're not passionate
00:40:36
about it why do it you know it's
00:40:38
like yeah I agree I mean I mean some
00:40:42
people don't even know it they're
00:40:42
passionate about and that's where it
00:40:44
gets to I think but and that's the
00:40:46
problem with I think with sometimes the
00:40:49
way the system is set up and I think
00:40:51
what's cool about your story of
00:40:53
education is like you know you you did
00:40:57
School in a classroom homeschooled back
00:41:00
to public school to college so like you
00:41:03
experienced the gamut of different
00:41:04
education Styles and some of them
00:41:08
probably encouraged you to pursue
00:41:09
passions some of them maybe didn't as
00:41:11
much that kind of a thing and so when
00:41:15
you when you can be in those types of
00:41:17
environments like I had an education
00:41:19
experience where I had parents who were
00:41:20
very encouraging of like what are you
00:41:22
into let's pursue that let's look more
00:41:24
into it let's go more in depth with it
00:41:26
let's travel to Museum let's go invest
00:41:29
in audio gear let's whatever it was you
00:41:31
know um it just was one of those things
00:41:34
where it was like you I had people back
00:41:37
me up on my passions and and then when I
00:41:41
got in a setting where people maybe
00:41:42
weren't backing me up with my passions I
00:41:44
was like but my passions are the most
00:41:46
important thing so I should pursue them
00:41:48
regardless of you know if it's going to
00:41:49
be the job or not it's important to have
00:41:51
something like that so yeah I think
00:41:53
that's homeschooling is really good for
00:41:55
that like if you have a child that is
00:41:57
very adamant that they want to do
00:41:59
something specific like it's a great I
00:42:01
think it's a great environment to
00:42:03
encourage someone to do what they want
00:42:06
to do and also just like be themselves
00:42:08
or like a weirder version of themselves
00:42:11
but I mean it's a great environment to
00:42:12
be who you want to be um and I think
00:42:15
there's just like a lot less pressure
00:42:16
from everyone to tell you what to do
00:42:18
which is great yeah is there anything
00:42:22
from your homeschool experience that
00:42:23
you're like you're like this was just
00:42:25
not it it was not
00:42:27
good it was God awful and like it just
00:42:33
could have been better is there anything
00:42:34
like that that pops in new Bing I mean
00:42:37
I'm sure there was a couple years there
00:42:39
where I was not in school realistically
00:42:41
speaking you know I was like at home
00:42:43
maybe learning a few things um and I'm
00:42:47
someone who likes a lot of organization
00:42:48
and routine so for me that was really
00:42:50
hard um even when I was like 12 but I
00:42:53
think I mean yeah I mean I don't know
00:42:56
you had like a nice Homeschool Group but
00:42:59
I think I did a lot of different classes
00:43:00
like I take Community College classes
00:43:02
and homeschool classes and
00:43:05
extracurriculars and there was a time
00:43:08
where I wasn't doing that and that was
00:43:09
really hard because it's easier to do a
00:43:11
lot of things than than to do nothing
00:43:13
for me and I was like I don't even think
00:43:14
I'm learning anything right now so I had
00:43:16
to like start you know taking more
00:43:18
classes because my parents are like I
00:43:19
don't think she's is she in school I no
00:43:21
she's sitting at home like reading a
00:43:23
book right so yeah right yeah it's kind
00:43:27
of easy to kind of fall off that train
00:43:29
of like yeah yeah are we teaching
00:43:32
anything is there or is this kid just at
00:43:35
home all day long you know yeah that is
00:43:37
kind of a yeah I don't I don't think
00:43:40
people check themselves on that
00:43:41
sometimes it's like you know I think
00:43:44
it's funny because I think people who
00:43:46
grew up in the public school system have
00:43:48
a hard time when they go to college
00:43:49
because they're like I don't have busy
00:43:51
work I don't have like a whatever like
00:43:53
at 9 to 300 p.m. 5:00 p.m. School
00:43:57
schedule and they have a really hard
00:43:59
time adjusting and I think for me it was
00:44:01
actually the opposite where I had come
00:44:03
from so much like chaos that going into
00:44:08
public school then felt like you know
00:44:10
not enough chaos and it was like too
00:44:11
much and then going to like college
00:44:14
after public school and home school was
00:44:16
an interesting balance in between where
00:44:18
it was like you have classes they're not
00:44:20
all day you have time to do work there's
00:44:22
not a lot of busy work and it was just
00:44:24
like this great in between home
00:44:27
schooling in public school that I think
00:44:29
a lot of people felt like they couldn't
00:44:30
adapt very well I don't know if that was
00:44:32
like your experience when you went to
00:44:33
school since you were homeschooled for
00:44:34
longer than I was but man that's an
00:44:36
interesting take on that because yeah I
00:44:40
mean I purposefully I chose the college
00:44:42
I chose for strategic reasons because it
00:44:45
was a smaller school I think it was
00:44:47
about a thousand students maybe a little
00:44:49
bit over so smaller class sizes so a lot
00:44:51
of the classes were about the size of a
00:44:53
missia writing class for maybe maybe a
00:44:57
dozen kids um so very normal but you
00:45:00
know the bigger the school you go to the
00:45:02
bigger the classroom right and so I had
00:45:03
a couple classes that were like 50 kids
00:45:06
and that was like overwhelming for me
00:45:08
but I had never thought of it in the in
00:45:10
the regards of like yeah to go from
00:45:12
public school where it's like yeah
00:45:13
busyness all day it's very structured in
00:45:16
that sense of like you're going to be
00:45:18
here from this time to this
00:45:20
time cuz college is not that you have a
00:45:22
class at like 8 in the morning and you
00:45:24
have a Hu gigantic break and then your
00:45:25
next class is at 2:00 in the afternoon
00:45:27
right um and so there's these weird gaps
00:45:31
of time sometimes that you just have to
00:45:34
fill with something and yeah
00:45:37
homeschooling totally prepared me for
00:45:38
that because I was used to that it's
00:45:40
like I mean especially by the time I was
00:45:42
graduating high school it's like I
00:45:44
worked a couple jobs I Tau guitar
00:45:47
lessons dance lessons during the summer
00:45:49
like I did stuff and it would be at
00:45:51
different times and weird times of the
00:45:53
day so yeah your education just fit in
00:45:56
where
00:45:57
it needed to that's oh man I had not
00:46:00
even thought of that as like a example
00:46:03
that's a great example of yeah you need
00:46:05
that mix of chaos and structure
00:46:09
um yeah and I mean some homeschool kids
00:46:11
had a lot more structure than like some
00:46:13
had a ton I was like why don't you just
00:46:15
go to school this is crazy yeah exactly
00:46:18
I I've met a few kids who yeah they're
00:46:20
it's like what are you talking about you
00:46:22
know and I think my mom tried to do that
00:46:24
at first she tried to do the like you're
00:46:26
out of bed by 8: a.m. like like crazy
00:46:29
you're out of bed and like ready to go
00:46:30
for school by 8: a.m. and then by the
00:46:32
time we were finishing it was like I
00:46:34
mean if you get started by noon that's a
00:46:36
good sign kind of a thing yeah that that
00:46:38
was me I was like I'm sleeping in what
00:46:40
an alarm I was like what excuse me yeah
00:46:44
exactly it was like what's the point
00:46:46
yeah um yeah and I don't know she
00:46:50
learned to play to our strengths I think
00:46:52
is is like yeah um so yeah listen to I'm
00:46:58
still hung up on the college thing but
00:46:59
yeah that's like great example of that
00:47:03
um because yeah it is a it's a massive
00:47:06
jump for a lot of people and I think a
00:47:07
lot of people are just like not prepared
00:47:09
for it um yeah I mean kids do terribly
00:47:12
yeah yeah the first year of colle I mean
00:47:15
I always tell people I'm like the first
00:47:16
year of if you can make it through the
00:47:17
first year of college you can do the
00:47:19
rest of it you like it's it's easy after
00:47:22
you do the first year I mean I gave up I
00:47:24
wanted to give up so many times freshman
00:47:25
year was calling begging please let me
00:47:27
come home I don't ever want to come back
00:47:29
to this place like I'm done I'm just
00:47:31
going to like get a job kind of a thing
00:47:33
and uh I'm glad I stuck it out cuz I
00:47:36
mean my dad was just kind of like you
00:47:37
got to do one year and then you know
00:47:40
let's we'll go from there kind of a
00:47:41
thing and after one year it was
00:47:43
like this this is easy you know it had
00:47:46
its moments but it was like oh this is
00:47:48
so much easier I know what to expect I
00:47:50
know how to handle myself all that kind
00:47:52
of stuff scheduling yeah scheduling your
00:47:56
own life is crazy when you've spent 16
00:48:00
years or 12 years guess that's why I've
00:48:04
been doing some work with a client and
00:48:05
they talk to a lot of people who did
00:48:06
sororities and fraternities and I think
00:48:09
that's a a big part of why kids join
00:48:12
those potentially is because a lot of
00:48:14
times with sororities and fraternities
00:48:15
they schedule out your entire day for
00:48:17
you um and like you're going to be at
00:48:19
this event you're going to take these
00:48:20
classes you're doing this that the other
00:48:23
right which is very much I don't want to
00:48:25
say excl that's it kind of is a public
00:48:28
school typee thing where it's like yeah
00:48:29
you're going to be here you're going to
00:48:30
be there like we're telling you where
00:48:32
you're going to be for the next however
00:48:33
many hours of your day and so maybe
00:48:36
that's why people thrive in that because
00:48:38
yeah and it's like a friend group that
00:48:40
has the same mentality too you're like I
00:48:42
have a already made friend group which
00:48:44
is crazy actually yeah that's
00:48:46
interesting I don't know if you did like
00:48:47
a lot of clubs and stuff in college but
00:48:49
I think like I feel like my college
00:48:52
experience was really reflective of like
00:48:55
my homeschooling experience in the sense
00:48:56
that I had a lot of different friends
00:48:58
from different areas of like College
00:49:01
from clubs or from classes or from uh
00:49:04
high school or from like an
00:49:06
extracurricular or something like that
00:49:07
so I had a lot of different friend
00:49:08
groups um but I think most people if
00:49:10
you're in like a frat or sorority you
00:49:12
have that one friend group and you don't
00:49:14
really you don't really leave it which
00:49:16
is scary to think but yeah I don't
00:49:19
remember being in a ton of clubs I
00:49:23
mean I did a bunch of stuff I mean my my
00:49:26
major was because it was entertainment
00:49:27
we ran all the shows on campus so that
00:49:30
was that chewed up a large chunk of our
00:49:32
time
00:49:34
um and then I mean there's always
00:49:36
opportunities for run this event do that
00:49:38
I mean we did like a gospel festival and
00:49:40
we did I mean just like all kinds of
00:49:42
little stuff too we would help run
00:49:44
events for the school when the board of
00:49:47
directors would come into town or
00:49:48
whatever you know we would be in charge
00:49:49
of stuff like that so not so much a club
00:49:52
um but we busy we were just busy doing a
00:49:55
lot yeah and then touch and base with a
00:49:57
bunch of different friend groups you
00:49:58
know and working across the different
00:50:01
majors and stuff to be like okay we need
00:50:02
this or we need that room kind of a
00:50:04
thing so um yeah give me the room yeah
00:50:08
exactly give me the room yeah um oh man
00:50:12
so many fights about that but um that's
00:50:14
a story for another time
00:50:17
uh and this has been so awesome I
00:50:20
appreciate you coming on so much because
00:50:22
one um I mean we haven't chatted in a
00:50:24
while so I'm thankful to catch up with
00:50:26
you and um I don't know and it was cool
00:50:29
to hear your home school Journey because
00:50:31
like yeah I didn't really I didn't I
00:50:35
don't know we knew each other but I just
00:50:36
didn't know that element I think of you
00:50:39
and I don't know I don't I think I go
00:50:41
into a lot of things I think during home
00:50:43
school years I would go into a lot of
00:50:44
things expecting like oh well everyone's
00:50:46
home school journey is kind of similar
00:50:47
to mine and it's like that's just really
00:50:49
not the reality um which is kind of the
00:50:52
point of the show is like to talk to
00:50:54
people about like it's very different um
00:50:56
for anybody and everybody
00:50:58
but here we are we survived we made it
00:51:01
out barely with our
00:51:05
lives very cool
00:51:08
well aside from that I don't know is
00:51:10
there anything we haven't touched on
00:51:12
that you're just like oh shoot we got to
00:51:13
talk about this I
00:51:16
mean I don't think so other than you
00:51:18
know your red pants but I think Emily
00:51:21
already really wanted to talk about that
00:51:24
too so well if you haven't listened to
00:51:26
Emily's episode um to I had red pants
00:51:30
yeah in high school and they're yeah um
00:51:33
and in college I'll find a picture of
00:51:35
them at some point and post them um
00:51:37
because yeah they were God awful um did
00:51:40
you did you wear them in college I wore
00:51:42
mine in college but it's different for a
00:51:45
girl okay yes I did I wore them
00:51:48
to I wore them to an event I want to say
00:51:51
I wore them to homecoming um I had a
00:51:53
couple quack in college that's so funny
00:51:56
that really were were wild but yeah I
00:52:00
don't know I was you know attention
00:52:03
seeking yeah it's funny that I say it's
00:52:06
funny that I say I'm a behind the scenes
00:52:07
person because no I'm very clearly also
00:52:09
an attention seeker um type person so
00:52:12
you can be you can be both it's fine now
00:52:15
you're in front of the camera
00:52:17
so exactly here we are yeah seeking all
00:52:20
the
00:52:21
attention different person well an this
00:52:24
has been awesome I again thank you so
00:52:26
much for coming on because this I don't
00:52:28
know I just like hearing people's
00:52:29
stories and I appreciate you taking the
00:52:31
time and um yeah I don't
00:52:34
know any last words for the people I
00:52:38
mean everyone should think about
00:52:40
homeschooling their children because we
00:52:42
turned out so
00:52:43
fantastic and I mean we're not weird at
00:52:47
all we like being in front of the camera
00:52:49
and behind the camera we wear red pants
00:52:52
what else can I summarize we write
00:52:55
insane poems
00:52:57
yeah apparently about each other yeah of
00:53:00
course yeah yeah no absolutely if if if
00:53:04
nothing else sells you on homeschooling
00:53:06
this episode definitely should so yes um
00:53:09
yes so once again thank you so much for
00:53:11
coming on and for those of you who are
00:53:13
still listening I appreciate you so much
00:53:15
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00:53:27
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00:53:29
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00:53:31
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00:53:35
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00:53:38
00:53:40
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00:53:44
until next time later
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