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What is good my exhies? It's your boy
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Jacob Giddon. We are back for another
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week of the exhomeschoolers club where
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we talk about the good, the bad, and the
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ugly of growing up a homeschool kid.
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This week, my friend Stephanie is
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joining me in the clubhouse. Now,
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Stephanie, I've known Stephanie for a
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long time, okay? And her and her family
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are some of my nearest and dearest
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homeschool friends. But Stephanie is
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going to share all about her homeschool
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experience, transitioning out of that,
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getting married, having kids,
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homeschooling her own kids for a few
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years, and now them transitioning into
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public school, and what she's kind of
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learned in all of that experience. It's
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a fun conversation and I hope you guys
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enjoy. Do me a favor, if you enjoy this
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episode, share it with a friend, okay?
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Shoot them a text, shoot them an email,
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send this episode to them and so uh they
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can check it out for themselves. And
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with that, let's jump into a
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conversation with my friend Stephanie.
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Well, Stephanie, welcome to the Exomes
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Schoolers Club. It's so good to see you.
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>> Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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>> Oh my gosh. Um, we've known each other
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for a very long time because, well, you
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babysat me. I I don't know if it's
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necessarily babysitting cuz I wasn't
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totally a baby, but you you would come
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hang out with my sister and I and take
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care of us when my parents would go on
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date night or, you know, have something
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fun. So anyway, we've known each other
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for a very long time. Um,
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>> you've seen me uh I'm I'm not even going
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to go there. We But you've seen me
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>> as a as a little child. You probably
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have some stories that you could share
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that would totally embarrass me.
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>> We'll keep those saved later.
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>> Yeah. But um but you also homeschool
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kid, bigger homeschool family than mine
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and uh were definitely your whole family
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was very much like a part of my
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homeschool journey. But I would love
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>> do the quick breakdown for us of like
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your homeschool experience and walk me
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through day in the life at the house
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with the siblings. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. So, I was homeschooled all the way
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through my sophomore year of high school
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and then I went to El Camino. Um, I my
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whole family, all my siblings
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homeschooled all the way through.
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They did the achieve graduation.
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I was the only I believe I'm the only
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one who didn't do the achieve. I got my
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GED
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um after I dropped out of El Camino. I
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got my GED. Um, but all of us were
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homeschooled basically all the way
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through.
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>> Wow.
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>> From from
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very beginning to
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achieve graduation.
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>> And there's six of you guys.
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>> There's there's uh six troll. Yes. So I
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have five siblings. I have two brothers
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and um three sisters. Had a
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>> Hey, it's okay. Sometimes I have to
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question how many siblings I have and
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it's it's one, right?
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>> Yeah. So I have five siblings.
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>> Okay. Very cool. So,
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I didn't realize your brother because
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you have an older brother and then every
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other sibling is younger than you, but I
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didn't even realize that your oldest
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brother was homeschooled all the way
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through, too. That's kind of wild.
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>> Yep. Yep. Yeah. He did the achieved
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graduation, then went to VC and then
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went to Channel Islands and then he has
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a uh a degree in history.
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>> Okay.
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>> And now he's in the the military.
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>> Okay.
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>> Currently. So talk talk to me a little
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bit about like typical homeschool day
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because some people have the very like
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structured where mom and dad kind of
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build like a very like traditional
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school experience at home for their kids
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and then there's like
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>> maybe a little bit more unstructured
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where it's like every day is going to be
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a little bit different.
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>> Which category did you guys fall into?
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We fell into the very rare uh where
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homeschooling day was rare, very
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occasional actual homeschooling.
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Um very inconsistent.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Um
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where we I would say on average we
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probably did 30 minutes to an hour of
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school
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twice a week. Um, it was very, yeah, it
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was very sporadic. Um, my mom
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really had goals and dreams of like
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having routines and having everyone sit
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down and, you know, be self-sufficient
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and do their schoolwork and it it just
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fell through the cracks. It never really
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became what she wanted. Um, as an adult,
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I can look back and totally understand
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how that happened. How having six
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children and trying to homeschool each
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and every one and then having your
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youngest daughter be disabled, like that
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is so much work. Totally understand how
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it fell through the cracks. Um, so yeah,
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it was very sporadic and very rare that
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we would actually sit down and do school
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work. very not structured and focused
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mainly on math and reading. Those were
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the two subjects that we
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did. I mean, hey, they're important, but
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I I kind of relate to the like my when
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when we started homeschooling, my my mom
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was pretty strict on I mean, my sister
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was in kindergarten, so I mean, how
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strict are you going to be with the
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kindergartener? But like I was second
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grade, she definitely tried to give like
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a structure, and within a couple years,
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it kind of went out the window. I mean,
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we had
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>> some structure to it, but it definitely
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went from like, okay, we're going to be
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sitting down at the table at 8 a.m.
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every day, and we're going to, you know,
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30 minutes for math and 30 minutes for
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reading and 30 minutes for science, and,
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you know, it it went out the window
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pretty quickly where it became like,
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okay, we know we have to get all this
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done.
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>> Now, it's just a matter of like when we
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get it done and how we get it done. Um,
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but I know too like I I'm wondering too
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because I've been having more
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conversations with people who come from
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a larger homeschool family and so like
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also is there a level of like
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six kids is a lot of kids to have in
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your house and like
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>> you know we didn't outnumber our parents
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at my house. So but I know that
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sometimes in those larger families the
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older siblings then become like teachers
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and almost parents to like the younger
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siblings. Is that something that took
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place in your house?
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>> Somewhat. Yeah. Not. We didn't take over
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teaching.
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>> Okay.
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>> At all. But it definitely took over a
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lot of babysitting, a lot of uh keeping
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an eye on kids, a lot of making sure the
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chores are done and doing laundry and
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you know that type of thing. Um but we
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didn't I wouldn't know how to teach
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because I didn't know.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I didn't Yeah. But a a lot of a lot of
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babysitting, a lot of being responsible
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for be younger kids, a lot of uh if
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something happened like one of us got in
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trouble, it would be like, well, you
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were in charge, so it's your fault type.
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>> Okay.
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>> Like the responsibility would fall on
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the person in charge.
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>> Okay. So, school wasn't necessarily
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happen at your house, but was there did
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you guys have any like extracurriculars
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or co-ops or anything else outside of
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the house that was maybe I don't want to
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say more structured, but like maybe gave
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some semblance of some of structure?
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definitely more structured. But yeah, we
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did group solutions. Um,
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>> y
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>> I'm I can't remember how old I was when
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we joined.
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>> It was before I went to El Camino and
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that was my sophomore year. So I I would
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probably say probably 13 to 15. We I was
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13 years old to 15. We did group
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solutions. Um, and then that kind of
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forced us to have a structure. That
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forced us to actually have someone else
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hold us accountable that wasn't our
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parents, right? cuz you know what's my
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mom going to do that much. Um but having
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a teacher especially a male teacher I
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was like oh I have to read this book. I
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have to do this book report. So we had a
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lot of structure. There's a lot of my
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mom probably liked that where we were
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>> right
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>> had a teacher actually grade our paper.
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It was not something I was used to. Like
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I remember being so stressed out that I
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had to like read a book and do a book
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report because I didn't know how to do
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that. I didn't know how to write a
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report. I didn't know how to what the
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structures were, what the format was or
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anything. And so it was uh you know, it
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was tough, but I survived.
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>> Yeah. Well, I think it's it's
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interesting when
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I'm going to call it like the comeback
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that like I think a lot of like
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homeschool kids who maybe have like that
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lack of education like the the drive
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they then have when like they are put in
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a situation where it's like okay I have
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to deliver. It's maybe not instantaneous
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where it's like, yeah, there probably
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was some bad grades to begin with, but
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like you pick it up a lot faster, I
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think, than than uh would be expected.
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Like if that if that makes sense. Like I
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heard this saying one time that was like
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it was like let's not totally worry
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about like
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something about like kids kind not
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getting left behind, but kind of like
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struggling, but then there's a point
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where sometimes it kicks in where
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they're like, "Okay, I get this." And
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then it's like this rapid succession to
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get back get to the point where they're
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like, "Okay, now I'm delivering work
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that is actually like I know how to
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write a book report or I know how to do
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a science lab or something like that."
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So, did you have that where you're like
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it kicked in where you're like, "No." Or
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you just were like, "I'm totally faking
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it." And try to figure out and maybe get
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a passing grade.
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>> Um, let's just say I might have
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plagiarized something.
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>> Hey, we've all been there.
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>> But I did take Mrs. Yep's writing class.
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I've just heard I just that just popped
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into my head. I took two years of Mrs.
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Yip writing. Um, and so I did have some
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structure, I guess, with writing.
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>> Um,
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I know looking back at my writing, it
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was really bad, but
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>> that I mean,
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>> yeah, it's not real,
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>> but I Yeah, I did not get to the point
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where I'm like, oh, I this is clicking
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for me. Like I to this day I still
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struggle with punctuation and correct
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spelling and writing and basically all
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forms of all the subjects, math,
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science, all that stuff. I I I still
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very much struggle. My kids are
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14 and 12 and they have surpassed my
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threshold for education. Like everything
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they're doing now in school, I have no
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idea what what how to help them.
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>> Wow. So
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>> I it is luckily my husband is very smart
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and he understands all that math stuff.
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English reading writing definitely
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clicks a little more for me because I
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love to read
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>> and um so I'm able to kind of
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>> weasel my way through that. But
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>> hey I mean you read enough books after a
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while you just like subconsciously start
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to pick things up of like oh this is how
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a sentence is structured. You know what
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I mean? Like
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>> or like oh that's what that word is.
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Okay. I've never seen that word before
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in my life.
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>> Exactly. And yeah, I mean, shout out
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Mrs. Yip because Mrs. Yip definitely she
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was a big instrumental person for me too
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in like
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>> getting my my writing to where it was in
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college and stuff like that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, she was a class that I I
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plagiarized the um actually it was an
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Adventures of Odyssey thing that I
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plagiarized.
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I don't know why I should say that, but
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yeah, I totally uh almost word for word
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a scene from Avengers and Odyssey, I put
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mix it into my story.
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So, hey,
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you know, you know, you know what's
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funny? And not to go on too much of a
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tangent, but Adventures in Odyssey was
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is like such a it's such like an A+ like
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not I'm not saying the content of it,
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but just like the delivery and the
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remembrance that we all have for it. Oh
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yeah.
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>> Um it's such a like
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>> I was talking to somebody recently and I
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was like I feel like a lot of us got our
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love for like theater and acting and
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like
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>> that kind of thing
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adventures and Yeah.
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>> Exactly. Adventures and Odyssey. So, you
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know,
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>> Dobson and Focus on the Family might not
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have done a a bunch of amazing things,
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but that is one of the good things that
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they gave us.
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>> Yeah, that is Yep. I will give them
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that. Adventures in Odyssey was
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amaz I to this day I still there's still
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scenes from Adventures that my siblings
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and I will talk about.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And like quotes and stuff and I'm like,
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you know,
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>> it's good. It's funny because I will
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listen to audiobooks or uh like radio
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theater type things and I just always
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compare it to that and I'm like it's not
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as good. It's not as good. There's very
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few things that I found that are are
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equally as good or even remotely uh as
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good. And so just like man they really
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they dialed that in. Whatever they were
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doing in that studio they were cooking.
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So
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>> they got it. Yep. Yep.
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>> I wanted to hit on so you talked about
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Okay. El Camino for those people who
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don't really know. Can you like quickly
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break down what El Camino was?
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>> Um, I believe it has changed a little
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bit since I was there. Um, but it's an
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independent study school where you
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go about once a week and you do one
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subject at a time and you
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kind of go speedrun through that course
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and then you move on to another subject.
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And so you can complete like all four
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years of high school in about 2 or 3
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years if you're really quick. So, and
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then you do take college classes at the
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same time and those college classes
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count for double high school credits,
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>> right?
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>> So that can also boost your graduation.
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>> But yeah, so it just required one day a
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week to visit with your teacher, turn in
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homework, and do your tests. And then
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everything else you did on your own.
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>> And how did how did that go? like that
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transition was that
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>> um was that a transition that you chose
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of like okay I want to do this or your
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your parents were like okay we're kind
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of like done with you like we need we
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need something different uh in your life
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and then how did like the overall
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experience go cuz you you brought up
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doing GED so um
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>> I didn't know I was being enrolled in
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Elena now
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>> okay
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>> I didn't know my mom I was in the car
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with my mom we showed up to the school
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we walked in and I was enrolled
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>> I was sitting at the table with this
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teacher, Mrs. Hwitt, who was super nice,
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and I left with textbooks and a uh how
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many chapters I needed to read out of
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this textbook. And I'm like, so I didn't
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know I didn't know that I was being
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enrolled in El Camino until I was
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enrolled in El Camino.
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>> Okay. So, big shock.
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>> So, it was it was a shock to me.
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Absolutely.
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>> Okay.
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>> I don't know my what my mom's thought
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process was for it. I've never asked
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her. I probably should. Um,
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and I was the only one who was also
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enrolled in El Camino. None none of my
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other siblings, my mom made them go to
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El Camino, so I I don't I don't know her
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thought process behind that, but so I
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did El Camino. Um, what was the other
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question?
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>> How how was that like experience like
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then transition? Obviously, you're
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independent study, so you're doing most
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of the work still at home, but like the
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classroom environment. I mean, you did
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group solutions, so I'm sure you were
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somewhat familiar with that, but like
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>> Yes. Was it was it a big shock or not
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really? Or was mostly the shock of like,
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oh my gosh, now all of a sudden I have
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all these subjects and textbooks.
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>> Yes, that was the main shock was does
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the
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the actually being like, okay, here you
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have, you know, two weeks to get through
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this, you know, 500page health textbook
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because they how they structured that
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class that I took was like every like
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four chapters you took a test and so it
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was just like you just read and then
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answer the quiz and so you did move
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through it very quickly. Um, and a lot
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of kids who went to group solutions were
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actually at El Camino.
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>> I think that was a very common um,
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place for homesooled parents to set
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their high school age kids.
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>> I don't know that my family ever looked
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at it. We looked at some dual enrollment
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stuff, but yes, it was very common
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because a lot of homeschool kids,
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there's kind of this stigma.
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I don't want to say it's a myth, but
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there there was definitely this thinking
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of like homeschool kids getting into
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college is much harder than a
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traditional public school kid getting
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into college, which at this stage I
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don't know that that's 100% true, but at
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the time there were definitely was that
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because even when I was going to college
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and I went 2014 when I graduated, uh it
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was like
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>> I felt like I had to work harder than
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public school kids to get into college.
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So anyway, but my point being that
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things like El Camino, dual enrollment
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were, I think, really pushed in the
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homeschool community because it gave you
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that college credit where all of a
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sudden you weren't transferring in as a
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freshman where you had to prove like,
00:16:40
oh, I've done all this work. You had
00:16:41
already shown like, I can take college
00:16:42
level material, succeed, and so you
00:16:45
should let me in essentially.
00:16:47
>> Yeah. Yeah. I remember when I was being
00:16:50
enrolled in El Camino, I was a sophomore
00:16:53
age, but I didn't have any homeschool
00:16:56
credits to prove that I was a sophomore.
00:16:58
So, I was enrolled as a freshman,
00:17:01
>> okay,
00:17:01
>> when I should have been a sophomore. So,
00:17:02
I was pushed back a full year already,
00:17:05
>> right,
00:17:06
>> when I enrolled. So, that was a bummer
00:17:09
to to, you know, be held back
00:17:12
essentially.
00:17:13
>> It's frustrating, right? you're like,
00:17:15
you know, 15, 16, and it's like all of a
00:17:18
sudden you're being told like, well, you
00:17:19
can only do the the work of a
00:17:21
14-year-old, you know, it's like that's,
00:17:23
>> you know, that's not what anybody wants
00:17:25
to hear ever.
00:17:26
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's Yeah, it was a
00:17:28
interesting
00:17:29
>> So, you also brought up GED and and
00:17:31
doing that. So, what like
00:17:34
what did was it dropping out of school
00:17:36
and being like, "Okay, I'm just going to
00:17:37
do GED or like
00:17:39
>> what what was the decision there?"
00:17:41
>> I was engaged. So, I got engaged at 18.
00:17:44
I got married at 19. And since I was
00:17:47
held back, I wouldn't have graduated
00:17:50
until I was about 20.
00:17:51
>> Okay.
00:17:52
>> So, I kind of at that point was like, I
00:17:54
I'm an adult. I'm 18 years old. I can
00:17:58
just drop out, get my GED, and just be
00:18:00
like, wash my hands at school. So, that
00:18:02
was kind of my thought process behind it
00:18:05
of like, I'm literally going to get
00:18:07
married next year. Like, why am I here?
00:18:10
I don't need this.
00:18:12
Um, and so I I remember going to my high
00:18:16
school counselor and being like, "Hey,
00:18:19
like I'm I'm done now." And they're
00:18:20
like, "But you're going to be uh labeled
00:18:23
as a high school dropout." And I
00:18:24
remember being like, "All right." I I
00:18:27
did not care at that time. And I had a
00:18:30
good friend at church who was also
00:18:32
getting her GED. She was like, "Let's do
00:18:34
it together." So, we signed up and took
00:18:37
the classes and then took the test
00:18:38
together and we and that's when I got my
00:18:41
GED.
00:18:41
>> I don't know that much about the GED.
00:18:43
Obviously, it's
00:18:45
>> supposedly the equivalent of the high
00:18:47
school diploma, if not maybe a little
00:18:48
bit better. But
00:18:50
>> was there were you you were just like,
00:18:52
I'm done with school. I'm just like
00:18:54
gonna get like the high school level
00:18:57
thing and then just like be done or were
00:18:58
you ever thinking like okay maybe
00:19:01
college, maybe something else in
00:19:03
addition to that?
00:19:05
>> No, I besides some classes at Ventur
00:19:08
College, I never thought I would be
00:19:10
going to college. That was never in my
00:19:12
future. Um yeah, it was not in the cards
00:19:16
for me and I never thought I would. I
00:19:18
was like, I'm just going to get married.
00:19:19
I'm going to have my GBD.
00:19:21
I'm gonna be a stay at home mom was kind
00:19:23
of my thought process of like I don't
00:19:25
need an education because
00:19:26
>> that was gonna be my next question was
00:19:28
like you know because like I was at your
00:19:30
wedding um
00:19:32
>> shout out valley Baptist
00:19:34
>> 17 that was 17 years ago on the on the
00:19:37
6th.
00:19:37
>> Oh my gosh. Well, congratulations.
00:19:39
>> Thank you.
00:19:40
>> On the 6th of September
00:19:41
>> September. Okay. Okay. Very cool. Well,
00:19:44
yeah. Congratulations. That's 17 years.
00:19:46
That's a big deal. Yeah.
00:19:47
>> Um,
00:19:48
>> but
00:19:50
so the plan was, okay, get married, stay
00:19:53
at home mom, have kids,
00:19:55
>> home,
00:19:56
>> do the good Christian wife thing
00:19:58
basically.
00:19:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Doing what I that was
00:20:01
that was what I grew up like that is
00:20:04
that is the thing. And so I was doing I
00:20:06
was doing the thing.
00:20:08
>> And so you did you did end up having
00:20:09
some kids and you did homeschool them
00:20:12
for a little while
00:20:13
>> for two years.
00:20:14
>> How did that go?
00:20:15
>> It was hard. Okay.
00:20:17
>> It was that was
00:20:20
I might rewind a little bit. We went in
00:20:25
to homeschool like the idea behind it
00:20:27
was we wanted to be the main influence
00:20:30
on our children, right?
00:20:32
>> The main source of guidance for them was
00:20:37
us and the church and Alana programs and
00:20:40
you know all that. Um,
00:20:43
we didn't think
00:20:46
the government really had a place to
00:20:48
educate our children because it's a
00:20:51
secular world and
00:20:54
they're only going to lead them astray
00:20:56
was kind of our thought process behind
00:20:58
it. Uh, also the flexibility of
00:21:01
homeschooling. Uh, my husband's family
00:21:04
big campers, love to camp, love, you
00:21:07
know, traveling. So that was also a big
00:21:09
plus was the flexibility the be the
00:21:11
ability to take textbooks on the road
00:21:14
and just go all right finish like that
00:21:16
the flexibility I think is a really big
00:21:18
u aspect as to why
00:21:21
we wanted to and the fact that we wanted
00:21:23
to be the main um educators for our
00:21:27
children.
00:21:27
>> That's a big re I mean you you pull
00:21:29
homeschool communities and you ask them
00:21:31
what what's the reasoning behind you
00:21:32
homeschool your kid. the majority of
00:21:34
people maybe this is I think this number
00:21:36
has gone down a little bit but I mean
00:21:37
the majority of people it's like the
00:21:39
religion we want to control like
00:21:42
>> and and that's not always like the worst
00:21:44
thing in the world but it it definitely
00:21:46
is like that's a big motivator for a lot
00:21:48
of people
00:21:50
>> as opposed to it there being the
00:21:51
motivators of like well my child has a
00:21:54
learning disability or you know or like
00:21:57
you said flexibility to go on the road
00:21:59
oh my gosh I've met so many people now
00:22:01
who like RV and like that's they're
00:22:03
they're road schooling and I'm like
00:22:04
that's insane but also like so cool that
00:22:07
like you get to go everywhere um in the
00:22:10
country whenever you want and like it's
00:22:12
not an issue you know and your kids are
00:22:13
getting a great education and also
00:22:15
getting to see the whole world and some
00:22:16
people do the world traveling thing and
00:22:18
like that's
00:22:19
>> that's insane that's awesome
00:22:21
>> um huge plus to the homeschool community
00:22:23
for that one.
00:22:24
>> Oh yeah.
00:22:24
>> But um
00:22:26
>> so at what point were you like okay this
00:22:28
is not working then? like you said 2
00:22:31
years you were like okay this is not
00:22:32
working or or was there other reasons
00:22:35
that you were like okay we need to send
00:22:36
the kids to school now
00:22:38
>> there was um a handful of other reasons
00:22:42
um but
00:22:44
I think in those two years I learned a
00:22:47
lot about myself a lot about
00:22:51
how the lack of my homeschooling
00:22:55
education
00:22:57
the lack of that I didn't know how to
00:22:59
homeschool school. The only
00:23:02
um
00:23:04
the my only influence I had was a
00:23:06
chaotic and nonstructured homeschool
00:23:09
experience. So,
00:23:12
I didn't know how to create schedules
00:23:14
and be have a routine and
00:23:18
be, you know, self-sufficient and get
00:23:21
the kids going. So, that was really hard
00:23:24
for me. And I
00:23:27
did group solutions because I was like,
00:23:28
"Oh, structure structure." And
00:23:32
again, there's a handful of other
00:23:34
reasons that I not totally comfortable
00:23:36
going into, but um
00:23:39
>> it was
00:23:42
it was really hard to do it and to have
00:23:44
the responsibility of my kids education
00:23:48
on my shoulders who
00:23:50
>> I'm not educated in, you know,
00:23:54
very well. So, it was it was a lot of
00:23:57
pressure. It was a lot of I am I setting
00:23:59
my kids up for failure for choosing to
00:24:03
homeschool my kids for, you know, just
00:24:05
to so I can be the only influence on my
00:24:08
kids when I'm not very educated. So I
00:24:11
didn't think it was a really good um
00:24:17
experience for them. So I wanted to do
00:24:20
something different. There's this like I
00:24:23
think expectation and even I had this I
00:24:25
think in high school of like okay I'm
00:24:26
gonna like get married and have kids and
00:24:28
then I'm going to homeschool them
00:24:29
because that's what what I knew and even
00:24:30
though I went to public school for two
00:24:31
years I was like this is what I'm going
00:24:32
to do like this is like the better
00:24:34
education this is the better thing.
00:24:36
>> Yeah. And as I've gotten older, I've
00:24:38
realized like I think I could do it, but
00:24:41
I definitely
00:24:43
I I understand that like there are
00:24:46
things lacking in my education that like
00:24:49
there are just huge holes where I'm
00:24:50
like, I know that I couldn't fulfill
00:24:52
this hole. And so that's in
00:24:54
homeschooling, you need the co-ops and
00:24:56
you need the support system to help you
00:24:58
with those types of things. But also
00:25:00
there's also public and private schools
00:25:02
that like can kind of also fill those
00:25:04
gaps where instead of having to also
00:25:06
then have the pressure of you're also
00:25:07
not only just mom, you're also teacher,
00:25:09
you're principal, you're like all these
00:25:11
other things, all these other roles in
00:25:13
your child's life, you can just be like,
00:25:14
"Okay, I'm just mom, but I can also now
00:25:16
be an advocate for them in school and be
00:25:19
like,
00:25:20
>> you know, let's get you the best
00:25:21
education to get you wherever you want
00:25:23
to go." Because I'm sure your kids have
00:25:24
dreams of like what they want to do and
00:25:26
who they want to be someday.
00:25:28
Well, how do we get you there? Let's
00:25:29
like actually figure that out and let me
00:25:31
go on this journey with you as opposed
00:25:33
to that just like, okay, I'm going to
00:25:35
have control and I'm going to like kind
00:25:37
of
00:25:37
>> set you up to then potentially do the
00:25:39
same thing that, you know, my parents
00:25:41
set me up to do.
00:25:42
>> In the moment when I was deciding to put
00:25:45
them to public school or keep them
00:25:46
homeschooling, I didn't know really why.
00:25:50
Not why, that's not the right word, but
00:25:51
like now looking back, I can see like,
00:25:54
oh, this is so much better for them.
00:25:56
this was this was the right choice. Like
00:25:59
they have
00:26:02
their education has they're they're so
00:26:05
much better off now in public school
00:26:07
their education wise than they were when
00:26:09
I was homeschooling them.
00:26:11
>> And so I think looking back I can
00:26:13
definitely say like I did make the right
00:26:14
decision. I wonder too because one of
00:26:17
the things you and I chatted a couple
00:26:19
weeks ago kind of preparing for this,
00:26:21
but one of the things we talked about
00:26:22
was like public school being evil and
00:26:25
that being a stereotype that gets
00:26:27
perpetuated a lot in the homeschool
00:26:29
community.
00:26:30
>> I think I have a little bit of a
00:26:31
different perspective only because I
00:26:33
went to public school for the first
00:26:34
couple years of my education. So, I
00:26:36
never viewed it as like totally evil. I
00:26:39
think I always viewed it as like lesser
00:26:41
than homeschool because I was like, "Oh,
00:26:43
well, I felt I felt smart as a home
00:26:46
school kid." Like I and I had great
00:26:47
opportunities and I'm like, "I would
00:26:48
never have this in public school."
00:26:50
>> Yeah.
00:26:50
>> But there definitely is that stigma of
00:26:52
like public school bad, homeschool good,
00:26:55
that kind of a thing. So, did you have
00:26:56
that? And if you did have that, how has
00:26:59
that transition now that you're like,
00:27:00
"Okay, now I got two kids that have been
00:27:02
public school for a while." That was
00:27:04
what we were kind of told growing up
00:27:06
that
00:27:08
if they weren't Christian, they weren't
00:27:10
good. Um, and public school, since
00:27:14
there's no God in school, it was bad.
00:27:17
Um, my mom would use this example of if
00:27:20
there is one rotten fruit, moldy fruit,
00:27:22
and you put other good fruits around it,
00:27:25
the good fruit is not going to change
00:27:26
the moldy fruit. The moldy fruit is
00:27:28
going to mold all the other fruit. And
00:27:31
so that was kind of the attitude towards
00:27:33
public school like if you went there you
00:27:35
would become bad, you would become
00:27:37
secular of the world. Um you know they
00:27:43
they would teach science, they would
00:27:45
teach you know evolution.
00:27:47
Um and that was a no no for us. So it
00:27:52
yeah definitely
00:27:54
grew up with the mindset of public
00:27:56
school was evil because
00:27:58
there's no God in public school
00:28:01
>> and they were going to everything they
00:28:03
were teaching you was them trying to
00:28:06
tell you there's no God. They're going
00:28:07
to prove that there's no God. Evolution,
00:28:09
you know, creationism is not real. that
00:28:11
whole spiel and and then just being
00:28:14
exposed to things we weren't exposed to
00:28:16
at home like rock and roll music or
00:28:20
drugs and cigarettes and drinking.
00:28:23
Um, so that like I think we grew up
00:28:27
thinking of school was like like those
00:28:29
movies from the '9s where you're like,
00:28:31
"Oh, the bad boys are smoking in the
00:28:33
bathroom." You like that vibe was what
00:28:36
we thought
00:28:37
>> like, "Oh my god, that's what all
00:28:38
schools are."
00:28:39
>> And now experiencing elementary school
00:28:43
through middle school and my daughter's
00:28:45
now a freshman in high school. Um,
00:28:47
obviously nothing's perfect, right?
00:28:49
>> But I think it outweighs like her
00:28:52
getting this education that she's
00:28:54
getting now outweighs like the couple of
00:28:58
rude friends that she's come in contact
00:29:00
with. They're like, you know, I have not
00:29:03
seen anything in their schoolwork that
00:29:04
I'm like, this is or their homework that
00:29:07
they've come home, oh, I do not agree
00:29:09
with this. This is bad for them to be
00:29:11
learning. Um, and I think it's really
00:29:14
opened my eyes to that. It's not Mike's.
00:29:18
Again, I can only speak from Mike's
00:29:19
experience. It's it's been really good.
00:29:22
It's been
00:29:23
>> very encouraging. All the teachers that
00:29:25
we've met with, you know, parent teacher
00:29:27
conferences and after school nights,
00:29:29
they've all been so kind. So, like you
00:29:32
can see that they want the best for the
00:29:34
kids that they are teaching. They have a
00:29:36
passion for teaching and they are have
00:29:39
are educ they're they are educated and I
00:29:41
love that that they
00:29:43
have this drive to educate children and
00:29:45
they're doing a good job and they care.
00:29:47
Like I just dropped my daughter off at
00:29:49
school but we dropped my son off first
00:29:51
and she sees her eighth grade teacher
00:29:53
and she's hanging out the window going,
00:29:55
"Hi teacher." Like she loved her teacher
00:29:59
at her middle school. like that makes me
00:30:01
so happy that she has fond memories of
00:30:04
teachers and has a fond experience of
00:30:06
schooling.
00:30:07
>> Yeah.
00:30:08
>> And uh I think that's very, you know,
00:30:11
definitely outweighs the couple things
00:30:13
that we've had like bullying or you
00:30:15
know, like my siblings don't bully me or
00:30:18
I didn't bully my siblings at home. Like
00:30:20
I lived with my bullies. Okay. No,
00:30:22
>> you make a good point because I think
00:30:25
the the other thing my my dad and I talk
00:30:27
a lot about this and I tell this story
00:30:29
all the time. So people who listen all
00:30:30
the time, they know that I'm going to
00:30:31
they know what I'm going to say right
00:30:32
here. My dad and I read The Da Vinci
00:30:34
Code, and that was one of those things
00:30:35
where it was like this opposing belief
00:30:37
that obviously was really pushed in the
00:30:39
religious
00:30:40
>> sector of like this book is evil and
00:30:42
wicked. And we read it and we're like,
00:30:43
this is a fiction book. This is like
00:30:45
national treasure. This is,
00:30:46
>> you know, hilar this is a great book. Um
00:30:49
and so but it it we it sparked this kind
00:30:52
of like conversation that we started to
00:30:53
have around like well when things enter
00:30:55
your life that you disagree with or they
00:30:58
don't believe in you can have a
00:31:00
conversation with your kid around those
00:31:01
things
00:31:02
>> still letting them be exposed to it but
00:31:04
also being able to reframe it into
00:31:06
whatever your worldview is. So yeah,
00:31:09
parents are Christian. They were able to
00:31:10
say, "Okay, well, we don't believe this.
00:31:11
We don't believe that, you know, Jesus
00:31:13
was married and had children and all
00:31:15
these types of things that
00:31:16
>> again, it's a fiction book that we're
00:31:18
talking about." But it's, you know, and
00:31:19
so I think that's something that got
00:31:22
missed a lot for the homeschool
00:31:23
community that we grew up in of like
00:31:25
>> there was that we isolate our kids. We
00:31:28
put them in these very Christian
00:31:30
environments where everything is agree,
00:31:31
agree, agree, and everyone's on the same
00:31:33
page. And so when they are met with the
00:31:36
world, we're kind of unprepared where
00:31:38
like your kids maybe have had some more
00:31:40
exposure to somebody who thinks
00:31:42
differently than them or has different,
00:31:44
you know, beliefs and and they can
00:31:46
actually like maybe have a conversation
00:31:48
around it uh and have a little bit more
00:31:50
of a stance that they can like defend um
00:31:53
about their their belief systems. But it
00:31:55
also opens up conversations in your
00:31:56
house where you and your husband can be
00:31:58
like, "Okay, well, maybe we need to
00:32:01
learn about this or, you know, uh,
00:32:03
something like that."
00:32:04
>> Yeah. No, there's been times where, you
00:32:07
know, I my daughter will have friends
00:32:09
over and I can hear the conversations
00:32:10
they're having and that's when as a
00:32:13
parent, I'm still very involved in my
00:32:15
kids' lives. I can be like, "Hey, like
00:32:17
we don't that's not a topic we're going
00:32:19
to talk about here. Like that is not
00:32:21
appropriate." you know, you're still
00:32:23
stepping in and being very involved.
00:32:26
Like I I don't want to uh put out the
00:32:29
impression that once my kids in public
00:32:30
school, I'm like hands off. Like, you
00:32:32
know, I'm very much still involved. Like
00:32:35
I met all their teachers. I still, you
00:32:38
know, very much involved in their
00:32:40
education and what they're learning and,
00:32:42
you know, still guiding them through
00:32:45
that. The other thing that you said that
00:32:47
really resonated with me was like your
00:32:49
daughter like waving at her eighth grade
00:32:52
teacher and like h being like this is
00:32:53
like there's core memories there
00:32:55
obviously there's good memories
00:32:57
>> and that's kind of some kind of a mentor
00:32:59
figure or just like an adult figure in
00:33:02
your daughter's life that like
00:33:04
>> they they love and will be memorable and
00:33:06
like I have people like that in my life
00:33:08
that I'm very fortunate that my parents
00:33:10
didn't isolate me totally where I had
00:33:12
those extracurriculars where I have
00:33:13
people like Tim France in my life who
00:33:15
I'm Mhm.
00:33:16
>> He was my guitar teacher. He was
00:33:17
amazing. He was that guy for me that was
00:33:20
like a safe space outside of my parents
00:33:22
and an adult relationship. And I think
00:33:25
>> homeschooling can not always but can
00:33:27
limit that sometimes. Uh where it's like
00:33:31
mom and dad are like my best friends. Um
00:33:34
kind of a thing. Um, and it's like, you
00:33:36
know, or or maybe not or may, you know,
00:33:38
but uh, but I just again it's like cool
00:33:41
to see that like you're involved in like
00:33:44
your kids's education and you're like
00:33:46
>> being an advocate for them of like,
00:33:48
okay, hey, these things are working.
00:33:49
You're meeting with the teachers. You're
00:33:50
doing, you know, you're being a parent.
00:33:52
You're being an involved parent. I think
00:33:54
that's that's what I'm hearing and
00:33:55
that's what I'm like, okay, yeah, that's
00:33:56
I that's what I envision is being good
00:34:00
and healthy.
00:34:01
>> Yes. I think that's a big part of like
00:34:03
why some people dislike public school or
00:34:06
they think it it's bad is again I don't
00:34:09
I can't say 100% certain but it's it's
00:34:11
the involvement of the parents in their
00:34:13
kids' lives being involved and being a
00:34:16
part of it and uh knowing who their
00:34:19
friends are and knowing who they're
00:34:20
talking to and knowing who they're
00:34:22
hanging out with in is a big part of why
00:34:25
I'm comfortable them going to public
00:34:27
school is because I'm involved and I
00:34:30
know the parents of my daughter's
00:34:31
friends and they are very involved. They
00:34:34
are very much in their kids' lives.
00:34:35
They're, you know, so I the I think that
00:34:40
makes the public school experience so
00:34:42
much better is seeing other parents
00:34:44
involved in their kids' lives and you
00:34:46
can you can see that in the kids. You
00:34:48
can see that they are happy, healthy
00:34:50
kids. And that's really that that is the
00:34:53
whole point of having children is
00:34:55
raising good, healthy kids. If my
00:34:58
parents can be better versions of their
00:34:59
parents and I can be a better version of
00:35:01
my parents, then like the next
00:35:03
generation can be a better version of
00:35:04
me, right? And that's what like what I'm
00:35:07
hearing. And like I think that that's
00:35:09
that's amazing. So, okay, I've got a few
00:35:13
other questions, but so let's say
00:35:16
someone's coming to you now. They have
00:35:18
kids, young kids. They're thinking about
00:35:19
homeschooling them or they're just
00:35:21
looking at school options and they're
00:35:23
like, "Okay, Stephanie was homeschooled.
00:35:25
she homeschooled her kids then took them
00:35:27
out. Like what what are you telling them
00:35:30
when they're asking like, "Okay, give me
00:35:32
some advice on this or give me just like
00:35:33
your thoughts on that environment and
00:35:36
what I should be asking questions on or
00:35:38
looking at and exploring." I think if
00:35:41
someone came to me and was like, "We're
00:35:43
thinking of homeschooling. What's your
00:35:45
advice?"
00:35:46
I would I think if they are cut out,
00:35:50
they are committed and they are like
00:35:53
gung-ho on it, like give it a give it a
00:35:56
try. There's you you can put your kid
00:35:59
back in school or like that's it's not
00:36:01
irreversible. You can you can flip-flop
00:36:04
as much as you want. Um I think if I if
00:36:08
they're
00:36:11
willing to do it,
00:36:13
all more power to you. I think it takes
00:36:16
a certain person and I don't think
00:36:17
everyone's cut out for it. Um,
00:36:21
but I don't know if I have like real
00:36:23
advice other than like there's no harm
00:36:25
in giving it a shot. No harm. There are
00:36:27
a really good co-op groups out there if
00:36:29
you're worried about like socializing
00:36:31
your children. There are so many options
00:36:33
now than there were, you know, back in
00:36:35
the early 90s when we were
00:36:36
homeschooling. So, I I think there are
00:36:39
so many options and there's
00:36:43
you can put him back in school if you
00:36:44
want to. I really think there's it's if
00:36:46
not irreversible.
00:36:47
>> I think that's that's a great way to
00:36:48
frame it because I think a lot of people
00:36:51
>> they view it as this like it's a it's a
00:36:53
definitive decision and it's like it's
00:36:54
it's actually like not in the same way
00:36:56
that like my mom would switch up like
00:36:58
the curriculum we used because it didn't
00:36:59
work one year. It's like that it's like
00:37:02
not a like done deal where it's just
00:37:03
like okay this is all we do now.
00:37:05
>> It's very flexible. It's it can be very
00:37:07
flexible where like one curriculum
00:37:09
clicks with one kid and the other you
00:37:10
need to buy a different curriculum cuz
00:37:12
everyone learns differently. Like my
00:37:14
daughter was very like she needed to be
00:37:16
jumping around and like she couldn't sit
00:37:18
still. But my son is very much like okay
00:37:20
I'm I'm sitting here and I'm going to do
00:37:22
my my homework. So I had to teach that
00:37:24
in two different teaching styles when I
00:37:26
was homeschooling them. Um and I think
00:37:29
it's it's you figure out what works and
00:37:33
being homeschooled is very flexible. So,
00:37:36
I think that is a big plus for people
00:37:37
who are, you know, moving around or very
00:37:40
uh outdoorsy or very, you know, they
00:37:42
like to go on trips a lot like that.
00:37:44
Bring your schoolwork with you. That's
00:37:46
fine. I agree. I agree. I think the
00:37:48
flexibility I think the flexibility is
00:37:50
one of the biggest selling points for a
00:37:51
lot of people because
00:37:53
>> again like we talked about, you get in
00:37:54
the car, you can go somewhere. I did
00:37:56
school at freaking Disneyland. Like I,
00:37:58
you know, it's like you can do whatever.
00:38:00
You can go up in the mountains, you can
00:38:02
go out to the beach, you can do
00:38:03
whatever. And it's like you're not
00:38:05
locked in a in a school house for
00:38:08
schoolhouse. What a anequated term
00:38:09
there. But you're not locked at school
00:38:12
for 8 hours a day. Um you can actually
00:38:15
like go out and explore and that's
00:38:17
that's really appealing. There's also
00:38:19
the appeal of there's the downside of
00:38:21
like well you also then are commit you
00:38:24
as a parent that you're committing to
00:38:26
every hour of my day is like with my
00:38:29
kids and like doing this. I'm all I'm
00:38:31
You have to buy allin on that.
00:38:34
>> Yeah, you definitely have to be
00:38:35
committed and um and stick with it if
00:38:38
you're going to
00:38:40
raise educated children at home. I was
00:38:43
wondering too like now that you I'm a
00:38:47
decade out and I know you're few years
00:38:49
older than I am. So, you know, like
00:38:55
has like what am I trying to say here?
00:38:59
Has
00:39:00
there been at all like a resurgence in
00:39:03
you of like a love of learning or like a
00:39:05
desire to learn any of that stuff that
00:39:08
you missed or do you feel like okay like
00:39:12
I missed it and like I just got to like
00:39:14
keep going on with life and that's like
00:39:16
it like and and then how do you explore
00:39:18
that like if you are like okay I want to
00:39:20
learn this thing like what are you doing
00:39:21
to like educate yourself on it? Yeah, I
00:39:24
think the last maybe
00:39:27
five plus years, I would say since co I
00:39:30
have
00:39:32
really
00:39:34
discovered a desire to to re-educate
00:39:38
myself on topics or on history, on
00:39:42
social issues that I had no idea about,
00:39:46
you know, years and years ago. And so I
00:39:48
I really do now have a desire to learn
00:39:52
um a lot of podcasts intaking a lot of
00:39:55
podcasts, a lot of reading um
00:39:58
documentaries, things I I'm able to find
00:40:01
something I'm interested in and then I
00:40:02
can deep dive on that and
00:40:05
>> you know educate myself on that topic
00:40:08
that I never would have found
00:40:09
interesting, you know, when I was 15,
00:40:11
right?
00:40:12
>> But now I'm like oh 36 I'm going to you
00:40:14
know deep dive into 911,
00:40:17
>> right? which I was my big recent um deep
00:40:21
dives. It's like just understanding that
00:40:24
there's more to it than what I heard and
00:40:26
thought. And again, podcasts and books
00:40:29
are my best friend.
00:40:31
>> I'm doing the same. Like the the gaps
00:40:33
that I have in my knowledge, I'm like,
00:40:35
okay, like let's get some books. Let's,
00:40:38
you know, listen to some podcasts. Let's
00:40:40
find a good documentary. Let's I mean,
00:40:41
there's so much information. And what
00:40:44
I've learned too is
00:40:47
uh I I talked about this like a few
00:40:49
weeks ago on on the show was like I used
00:40:52
to look at people like Ken Ham as like
00:40:54
this like resource knowledgebased
00:40:57
person. And it's really interesting now
00:40:59
because like
00:41:00
>> I've gone on his website.
00:41:02
>> Nothing is sourced. Nothing like there's
00:41:04
no there's no links to like where did
00:41:06
you pull this information from? And
00:41:09
>> and I'm like I don't like that as a
00:41:11
human being anymore. Like I'm just like,
00:41:12
"Oh, okay." Like I need to know like I
00:41:14
need to be able to, like you said, deep
00:41:16
dive into like, you know, like
00:41:18
Wikipedia, you know, at the bottom of
00:41:19
Wikipedia, they have all the links to
00:41:20
everything. That is where I go and that
00:41:22
is like I'm going down all of the rabbit
00:41:24
holes to every little thing.
00:41:26
>> Same with like documentaries. I'm like,
00:41:27
where did they get this information and
00:41:29
stuff like that?
00:41:29
>> Yep.
00:41:30
>> That's my obsessive educate on like a
00:41:33
very specific niche thing um kind of
00:41:36
personality. The one common thread that
00:41:39
I've seen with like talking to just all
00:41:41
of the homeschool community has been
00:41:44
this fact that like we all still have
00:41:46
this great desire to like learn things.
00:41:49
>> And I'm not going to attribute that
00:41:51
specifically to the homeschooling
00:41:52
education, but it is really cool to see
00:41:55
that it's like we all just really want
00:41:57
to still know things and like have that
00:41:59
desire to learn and and to to continue
00:42:02
to grow as people. So
00:42:04
>> kudos to you, you know. Oh, look.
00:42:08
>> Um, is there anything else that I missed
00:42:12
or have forgotten that we need to touch
00:42:14
on?
00:42:15
>> I don't
00:42:17
think so.
00:42:18
>> Okay. Any specific homeschool memories
00:42:21
pop into your brain while we've been
00:42:23
talking about this? Like I always bring
00:42:25
up like swing dance was like very
00:42:26
impactful for me, but like Oh yeah. Was
00:42:29
there anything like that that maybe was
00:42:31
like super unique to the home school
00:42:33
experience that you're like I have never
00:42:34
really heard anybody else like talk
00:42:35
about this kind of a thing happening?
00:42:39
>> Well, that's where I learned about mimes
00:42:41
was homeschooling. I was not Thank God I
00:42:46
was not a mime. I missed that by at
00:42:48
least a year or two and I
00:42:51
am so thankful,
00:42:52
>> you know. Oh yeah, be thankful.
00:42:54
>> Yes, I I uh Yeah, the minds. Um
00:42:59
I remember at Group Solutions taking a
00:43:02
cooking class,
00:43:03
>> okay,
00:43:03
>> called Clueless in the kitchen. And I
00:43:07
remember it being so much fun.
00:43:10
>> Yeah,
00:43:10
>> so much fun. And I I wish I can remember
00:43:13
I remember
00:43:16
one teacher, I think it might have been
00:43:19
Mrs. Perez and Mrs. Walrip. They were
00:43:21
group solution
00:43:22
>> parents
00:43:23
>> and um and I think they taught the class
00:43:26
and I remember I took it for two years.
00:43:27
So two years I was at group solutions
00:43:29
and it was I had a blast. That was my
00:43:31
favorite class because I didn't have to
00:43:32
like
00:43:33
>> read or study anything. I just had to
00:43:34
you know
00:43:35
>> Yeah. You show up, you cook a meal, then
00:43:37
you Yeah, exactly.
00:43:39
>> Yes. And it was fun because I did take
00:43:41
the recipes I learned and then I went
00:43:43
home and I cooked them at home. So it
00:43:44
was fun. That was a lot of fun.
00:43:46
>> Yeah. with social cooking class.
00:43:48
>> I took I think that class as well cuz
00:43:51
Yeah, I remember as well trip teaching
00:43:52
that.
00:43:53
>> Oh my gosh, she Yeah,
00:43:55
>> love her to death. Rest in peace, but my
00:43:57
gosh, she was amazing. And then yeah,
00:44:00
the first time I had sushi was that
00:44:01
class, which I mean granted it was not
00:44:03
su It was not good sushi, but it
00:44:05
>> but still
00:44:07
>> we didn't they didn't cook s or we don't
00:44:08
cook sushi, but I didn't have sushi. I
00:44:10
remember making homemade meatballs.
00:44:12
>> Yes.
00:44:12
>> Was one of them and that was really
00:44:14
really good.
00:44:15
>> Yeah. No sushi though.
00:44:16
>> Yeah. I mean, but hey, I mean, if it
00:44:18
gives you the incentive to be in the
00:44:20
kitchen, you know what I mean? Like I
00:44:22
explore in the kitchen, like I'm all for
00:44:24
it. That's
00:44:25
>> Yeah. I love cooking. So,
00:44:26
>> yeah, same. And I think it's it just I
00:44:29
think it's just it was a fun class that
00:44:31
got kids to do something that they
00:44:33
probably wouldn't have done before,
00:44:35
>> right? Yeah. I think that's the great
00:44:37
that was one of the good things about
00:44:38
group solutions was like you had this
00:44:40
mix of
00:44:42
>> like traditional classes, right? you
00:44:44
could take a science class or a math
00:44:45
class or whatever, but then you had
00:44:46
>> cooking, you had like homeck type stuff
00:44:49
or you had like there was a games class
00:44:51
like I learned how to play poker at
00:44:53
group solutions which is like hilarious
00:44:54
to think about. Um but you know or like
00:44:57
they had like like a boy scouts class
00:45:00
and like stuff like that. It was just
00:45:01
like
00:45:02
>> Yeah. Got like karate
00:45:03
>> and then my my mom did a scrapbooking
00:45:06
class.
00:45:06
>> Yes.
00:45:07
>> Yeah. And Yeah. Like Yeah. There was a
00:45:09
wide range of things you could do there
00:45:12
and it was I
00:45:13
>> Yeah.
00:45:14
>> Yeah.
00:45:15
>> Lot of fun.
00:45:16
>> Some good memories. Yeah. Tied in there
00:45:17
>> as well.
00:45:19
>> Well, Stephanie, this has been so much
00:45:20
fun. Um
00:45:21
>> I appreciate you coming on and sharing
00:45:23
your story. It's,
00:45:24
>> you know, I I love it. It's what I love
00:45:27
too is that like
00:45:28
>> we have very different and unique
00:45:30
experiences.
00:45:31
>> There's obviously some common threads in
00:45:33
there which is great and it's just fun
00:45:35
to like
00:45:36
>> it. I I enjoy hearing people's stories
00:45:38
and and getting them out there because I
00:45:40
know they're important not only for us
00:45:44
to like hear them and be like, "Oh, like
00:45:46
I'm not alone in in feeling this way,
00:45:48
right?" But also, I know that like
00:45:51
there's a current generation of
00:45:52
homeschool families
00:45:54
>> that hear these things and they go, "Oh
00:45:56
my gosh, I can do better or I can do it
00:45:59
differently." And that's
00:46:01
recently that's been a big motivator for
00:46:03
me to continue doing the show because
00:46:05
it's just like
00:46:07
your story, stories like yours, they're
00:46:09
changing the way that homeschooling is
00:46:11
is happening today. So
00:46:13
>> be encouraged
00:46:15
>> hopefully. And again, thank you for
00:46:17
coming on the show. It's been so much
00:46:19
fun.
00:46:20
>> Awesome. Well, for anyone listening,
00:46:22
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00:46:24
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00:46:39
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