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Well Carrie welcome to my podcast you're my first interview and um I'm so excited
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that you're here um one of my best friends from growing up and we're still
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friends to this day which means we have made it through the trenches and we're
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still friends but thank you so much for having me I'm very excited yeah well thank you
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for coming on um I wasn't sure that I was going to be able to get anybody on
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because you know you never know what the H school I'll take one for the team
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you're looking for others yeah the the lamb to slaughter um anyway uh but yeah just to like kind of
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give people like the down low of like how we know each other and we've been friends for a really long time I'm
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trying I like try to think back to I can't think of a time when we weren't
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friends or didn't know of each other like I I could not tell you how we became friends like I don't have a
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distinct memory in my mind that's like oh that's the moment and from then on we
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were friends you've just kind of always been there yeah I mean your dad was my
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guitar instructor so I know that prior to that I feel like we had met and and known each other but I was
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around uh I want to say maybe 13 12 13 it was right in those those juicy years of
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adolescence exactly yeah so I feel like we've known each other basically Junior
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High through high school and that college adults yeah we've been good friends for a long time we went to prom
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together yeah that was something I was going to bring up too but we did we did go to prom
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together that was an experience yeah which we let's get into that at some point but
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um what like were you I wasn't homeschooled all the way through but were you a homeschool kid all the way
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through all the way through ever since kindergarten I have not except for college I have not stepped foot in like
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a public school that's crazy yeah and um you're the oldest you're the oldest
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of three oldest of three yep so you kind of got like the brunt of it like you kind of got like thrown in and you were
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like the test the test subject I was the test subject for a lot of things in all
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aspects of life whether it was homeschooling whether it was extracurricular activities church
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activities um just growing up in General Life stuff I was the the test subject older sibling the headliner the want to
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go through everything first and hopefully you know my younger siblings got it a little easier but I think we
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all we all experienced you know life in different ways as you do but yeah see Madison and I we went that's my sister
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we went through like it at the same time so even though we weren't in the same
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grade we were we were going through it at the same time so she was homeschooled all the way through um but I was second
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grade through high school oh I I feel like I didn't even know that you have not experienced homeschooling the whole
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way you actually went to a a was it a public or private school I went to I went to a public school okay and then
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yeah through first grade and then we moved to ohigh um yeah shout out to the the
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hometown still located yeah we moved from Ventura to ohigh and that was kind of like my
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parents had like decided to shift it and yeah it was like brutal because it was just like I was used to seeing friends
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every day weird and different yeah I got used to it but it was really strange to begin
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with whereas like you that's all you knew schoolwise was like a teacher dad steps in sometimes you know like but
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what did like a typical school day look like that you can remember and it could be at any point I know it probably
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changed a lot but it was constantly changing I will tell you that uh and that is one of the beauties of
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homeschooling I will say is that at least for my family we didn't always have a strict schedule where it's like
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everybody up at 7 or 8 you know school till 12: then lunch yada yada I think it was very much every day was different if
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we had to do you know piano lessons we were able to go do that if we just needed a day outside we could go hang
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out at the park and read if we you know wanted to take an art class we could do that so every day was definitely
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different I have very fond memories in the early days of our homeschooling where you know we would do
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some some English or math or history in the morning and then it would be time for be uh PE so uh our PE was go outside
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and find something to do very much yep um I had that too give Mom a break give Mom a break and Mom can stay inside and
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process everything you know that she's going through because it's a lot of work
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to homeschool and we would put on our roller skates and go out to our driveway and I remember roller skating with my
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sisters in circles I want to say an hour two hours at a time um we had a Giant RV
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in our driveway we would go in there and play house um we would or at least I would build contraption
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that I could some some sort of vehicle with like a dolly and a dog cage on top that I could pull my sisters around like
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it's weird to think about the PE that I had compared to what normal kids had um
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you know we are not a very sporty family so roller skating was about it um my sister's took gymnastics I took dance
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for a bit but that was the extent of yeah so no I remember that I mean you've
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seen my backyard it's like we had a tree swing and yeah we would like we would
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push each other out of the tree and swing on it and yeah just like be silly and roller skating was like a big part I
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mean also like within the homeschool community that we shared like they had roller skating day at skating
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plus um go to that and you know actual interaction with other people those were great it was I feel
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like it was like every like the first one of the Thursdays of every month it was like let's go to skating plus and
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you know roller skate and then I would jealous or I would um be very envious of everyone because
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they could all do the races they had like a race time where they would have everybody line up and skate around the
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rink and I I never was brave enough to conquer that but it was always really cool watching the cool kids in
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homeschooling compete in races it's so funny to look back and be like there was
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cool kids and then there was like the not cool kids and it's like no we were
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all just like not cool kids we were all just not cool but in my head I had to have like like I observed a lot of
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people growing up um within that community and there were definitely clicks there were definitely cool kids
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there were not as cool kids I always assumed that I was just a not cool kid because I always looked up to the older
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kids which I think is a normal thing in high school or Junior High anyways everybody sort of looks up to the next
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grade but um yeah that that's the funny thing about homeschooling for me too was
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there was definitely no shortage of clicks and jealousy and you know I feel like there might have been some bullying
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I don't know I didn't really experience it to the extent of no there for sure
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was there for sure was um and I've been I was on both sides of it so like you
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know uh I'm a different person now but yeah but I've been on both sides of that
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but you yeah EX exctly we yeah we we're all better people hopefully um because
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of our experiences but uh you brought up like clicks and it reminded me of like and just groups in general it's like we
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both one of the things that we shared was we were both mimes uh on the homeschool mime team if you have to
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Google what a mime is I will understand they're not super common at least I didn't really know what it was until you
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know I joined a team of mimes yeah so like for us it was interesting because most people like when you look up a mime
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like it's basically like some dude on the street corner in France who is like
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pretending to be stuck in a box or blowing up a balloon or you know like just really it's like a clown basically
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but like our M troop was very it was it was Christian Centric so but we would basically take music and put stories to
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it and then play characters silently play characters and like songs um and so I always I see there's like a meme on
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Tik Tok that goes around and it's the it's the like everything by life house
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and like it's always that song for anybody who has never been a mine but maybe you were in youth group and you're
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like I remember that sketch yeah think of like a bunch of people with like white grease paint on their face and
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like doing that song that it's that kind of a thing yep that's a good reference
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how long were you a mime I want to say five years I think okay around five years and I know I said earlier how you
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know didn't really know what a mime was um but before I joined the team my parents would take me to shows done by
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the mime team at the time which was called Grace in action and they were like the mimes before we had our own
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mime troop and so I would go watch shows that they would perform and had I just thought it was really interesting and
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cool and like to me that was what the cool kids were doing was being mindes and everything by life house I I didn't
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realize how common it was to do a skit to that song um I thought that was our thing I thought we made it up but then I
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started seeing videos of Youth groups doing it and I was like wait that's what
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we did did they copy us did we copy them like I mean that goes into like it's so
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interesting now cuz like I also went to a Christian college and so connected with more people who also kind of grew
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up in like similar situations and like but all over the country at that point point cuz I moved from California to
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Illinois and then now live in Tennessee and stuff so it's like it's interesting
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to connect with these people and they have like these similar like youth group stories like even if they're not a
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homeschool kid or like they have stories of like homeschool kids uh in their lives that they're like oh that's just
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they're a bunch of weirdos and it's like well yeah we were a bunch of weirdos and
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I'm like fully acknowledge that yes but I but I was telling somebody about that
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the um the Everything song and like oh yeah we but we were MIM so we would like we're all black and you know whatever
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and like we did that sketch but like we didn't dress up like that I'm like yeah
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you're one of the lucky ones um you know and uh so we did so many songs and like
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for everything too we had like Christmas songs and we had like um we had like Fourth of July like patriotic stuff that
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we did as well which it was a mime era if you will or the mime lore it was just people we were really popular I feel
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like or to me back now I felt like within the homeschool Community we were very popular we were really desired by
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Churches cuz that's what we would do is go perform locally to different churches
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and some were not local too if you remember we took the troop to Skid Row in Los Angeles yep and performed there
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like I feel like we went all over California um but we had so many songs and you're so right there was a
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Christmas season where the younger they had a an age limit for mime and then you
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know the younger siblings could join during Christmas and they had all these fun Christmas songs that we would do
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like the the library an extent of work we did we had mime camps which would be like a whole weekend where we would
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spend the night at a church and just practice and drill like mime songs like it was an it was a time for sure no it
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definitely was like an era and yeah I only did it for 3 years I did it like Junior High and then I think maybe my
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freshman year of high school yeah you weren't it wasn't too long that you were
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on the team I felt like I yeah I I was out of it pretty quickly like but it was so it's so weird cuz all of the kids who
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were part of that like we were also like theater kids and like musicals and like
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all that kind stuff which like that's a whole another era of like and that's
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also ironic too because mes you know can't talk but we were the most talkative musical group I think think
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ever like when we weren't performing we were singing theater songs in in groups
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we were talking we were you know it was yeah it was well it was the only time we
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got to interact with other people right so like cuz that's the thing with homeschooling is like it yeah you have
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your siblings or in some cases like if you're an only child like you have Mom
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and Dad but like you a big misconception is like oh well you don't have any friends you know hear that all the time
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well that's actually not true like yeah that that does happen all like oh you
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were homeless school did you have any friends what was your mom the teacher your dad the principal it's
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like yes I did have friends I was not isolated I love telling people I'm like
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I went to prom with my mom like you know stuff like that um Ian don't get me wrong it was it was
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cringe like prom was cringe like a lot of the experience had cringey moments but we were never alone like we had our
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groups of people yeah it was a lot of parents just kind of like trying to give us somewhat of like a normal school
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experience right because like we had field trips and that's the beautiful part about being part of a homeschool
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Community is like I can imagine how I would be if I didn't have that because I
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would have just literally been stuck at home all the time right so it's like you
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know I at least got some semblance of like normaly by like we had field trips and we did school dances and we had like
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groups of people like the Mind troop right it's like we had activities and things that you could be a part
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of but at the same time it was like it's not the same I feel because it was like
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the same people because we were a part of this community of parents who came together and said we want to homeschool
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we want to homeschool our kids together however it originated and we would see the same
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people every week it was like okay Mondays were MIM practice so you get to see your fellow mime friends you know
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Fridays was group Solutions where we do our our three periods and our classes together with a lot of the same people
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but it was a bigger group of people like same people like looking back now we were really close with everyone like
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you had your people and outside of your siblings like those were your close friends the people you did everything
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with you went to dances with you you know graduated eighth grade and and high school with you you know did classes and
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mime and and shows with like it was the same people um all throughout Junior High and high school
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so definitely were never yeah yeah and I'm thankful for that and that's very similar to I think a lot of
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people's High School experience is like they have their friends that go through
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high school with them and like you know do do life and then potentially go to same colleges and like stuff like that
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but it's I it's hard to explain because like until you do it you're like until you're
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a part of it you're like no this is just like so vastly different and um and like
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even like the non homeschool friends that we did have like they could tell there's a difference right there's like
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a social awkwardness and there's a you know and there's just like also we were
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like Christian homeschool kids so on top of the hom school thing has yeah is like
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The Homeschool thing already has this kind of like awkwardness baked into it but then you tack on like a Christian
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element because most of us were homeschooled for religious reasons yeah and so parents were not teaching us
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about Evolution right science was in my family history science yeah everything was like viewed through this
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like Christian lens of like yeah absolutely even like the jobs you're going to do future down the line Randon
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like is interesting because it's just like this religious tied with education
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upbringing that's a huge part and I always wondered too actually coming out of being homeschooled were there
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homeschoolers that existed that weren't Christian because all of the homeschoolers I knew were Christian like
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studied you know Christian values and that's just what I assumed was the case
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was that all homeschoolers were or Home Educators were Christians and that's probably not the
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case and it always made me wonder what someone who was homeschooled outside of Christianity or a religious base what
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their experience was like compared to what mine was no that's a good question
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I'm I I've thought that so like it's been in the back of my mind every once
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in a while I've been like hm because obviously religion plays a huge part into how you're educated so with
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that lens there were definitely a few thing several subjects that I learned under the Christian lens that when I got
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to college were completely different talk about that like what give me an example of that so you mentioned
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Evolution that's a huge part um growing up with in Christianity we were you know
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taught about creation versus evolution and I similarly with you know some history
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as well um God is the foundation of everything you know from creation on so when you get to college and you find out
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God is I don't want to say nowhere to be found but he's definitely not you know
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Christianity God is not in the center of anything that's taught and so you're
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going to a science class in college going what's the big bang like you've hear about it but
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you're at least for my education we were never told we were never taught about
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other alternative or what the rest of society was learning about Evolution we were only taught
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creation so yeah I I don't want to say I had to unlearn Creation necessarily but
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going to college and talking to people who didn't know what creation was and or didn't believe in it
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having to learn oh I grew up in this lens there's this whole other world of people who believe in so many different
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things about how the world came to be and that was an incredible learning curve for me to find oh not only is
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Christianity God not centered in college educ ucation high school education but you know it it I don't know how to word
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that but it was just it was it's like a foreign thing to other people right where it's like cuz I even going to col
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like I went to a Christian college and so most of the people on the we're on
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the same page but I remember taking a science class and he presented six different options to Creation M and
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there was like the the stuff we grew up with which was like God created the world in seven days or like six days and
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then on the seventh day he rested right and then like it's we're in a young
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Earth and like all of these things right and so it's like a very literal translation of the Bible yeah and then
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he was talking about a not so literal translation of the Bible where it's like
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God created the Earth but he he basically kicked off Evolution which you know slowly worked it way and like built
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things right and then because the concept of time shifts um it's a whole complicated thing but but like because
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the concept of time shifts the way that we when it was written down right when Genesis was written down it's like the
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perception is like oh it was such a short period of time it's like well it actually wasn't but okay um that's
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really cool that you're able to that and that's something that we were never
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really exposed to being homeschooled but that's so cool that you had a professor
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who was able to say you know we do have the Bible but you know taking into consideration time shifts and how things
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were transcribed and translations and you know really makes you learn that no one really truly knows anything yeah you
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know it's just who what you study and what you P perceive and what you believe
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and you know when you grow up in schooling being taught this is fact this is truth and then you go into this giant
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world of a billion different facts and truths it all comes down to you deciding what you believe for yourself and that
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was something that you know you believe what your parents tell you and what your
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peers tell you not and you can still agree with that when you grow up or you can find out for yourself this is
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actually not something that you know I want to run with so I think that's cool
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that even within a Christian College you're your professor was still willing
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to consider all options and and weigh you know so many other well I remember he brought up the word
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Evolution and half the people in the class like grimaced at it like I'm intrigued to hear what he has to say
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about this right because you know he's also presenting you know Darwinism and
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all these things it's like another trigger word there are so many words Dar yeah it's like you did not hear growing
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up exactly and I did a religions class too with another professor who he would it was it was a mix of like religion
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studies plus apologetics a little bit and so like the first day he's asking us
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like what do you believe and all these things like do you believe in a literal translation of the Bible you know is
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there storytelling and there you know all these different things so he's like
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asking he's trying to pick at people and he picks on me in the class and I and
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he's like asking me all these questions and I'm like just spitting out I'm
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spewing the normal responses and he's like but why but why but why but why he's like the little kid tugging on his
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mom you know be like but why and I was just like was like because my mom told me you know because that's what the
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pastor said and he's like he's like that fine but you also have a responsibility
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to judge for yourself what you actually believe right it's like that's good and
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I like that it was it was brutal like I remember just being like I go went back home and I was just like I back to my
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dorm room and I'm sitting there and I'm just like I hate this professor I hate
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this professor I hate this professor because he was pushing me really to like a discomfort Zone where I was like were
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they lying to me were they all of these things right and so discomfort is is a good place where you can actually learn
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stuff and I found some of my hardest classes and hardest teachers have been the most valuable because that him
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drilling you but why but why but why really forces you uncomfortably to look at yeah why and that went for multiple
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subjects too it's like not only science and religion but like math and like you
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know the way we looked at these things because our parents are not like they don't know everything um right and it's
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like they're taking on the yeah exactly they're taking on the role of teacher and like I had a mom who
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thankfully had gone to college to be a teacher so she kind of had some of those skills but she wanted to specialize in
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English so you know that was her strengths and my dad was more math but like they weren't creative people so
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right doing you know that's why your dad became my music teacher because they
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were like well we have to hire somebody to help our kid understand what this is you know and and be creative yeah and
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and then science was like you know weak too it's like well let's find somebody
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else who is stronger in science to help our kids study you know and and that's
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so cool I'm thankful for that because yeah it put it more in a normal classroom setting I would say like I
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mean you knew this like you you come over to my house and my mom would teach engl this class right and she'd be like
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here's the reading list here's the whatever um and we would have like it's
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six people but it's you know it's like okay well we have a study group and we
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can we're we have classmates who we can like ask for notes about you know and
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stuff like that so there's a sense of somewhat of normaly absolutely well and it's it's so cool
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that you mentioned that too because you know your parents being focused more on the academic side my parents were
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completely opposite like my dad being a recording studio owner musician um both parents college
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graduates but in completely different things than your parents my dad was the first guitar major you know at at his
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university and my mom graduated with a degree in Film Production like not something that you would look at and say
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they're ready to be you know fullon High School teachers to their kids but that's
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what I admire them so much for is they felt the calling that they were supposed to homeschool us and they took that on
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in such a different way and and everyone was different and that's why I love how
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you know your parents saw you had this desire for guitar they leaned on my dad to teach you guitar my mom definitely
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needed support in the academic side and so she would lean on your mom for things
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like English classes um you know other people for science classes math and they would use their strong suits but also I
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really respect them for leaning on other people and valued members of the homeo Community who knew what they were
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talking about you know some parents who they were so good at you know science it's like okay we're going to send our
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kids over to your house and you guys are going to go through the science textbook
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with them and it's like oh that's the beauty homeschooling you can do that and
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that's that's yeah I highly encourage like anybody who's thinking about it is
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like find that group of people because when you do my mom did it on her own and and maybe your mom was this way too or
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your parents were this way too but my mom really did it on her own for the the first couple years and she was exhausted
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it was just like it was utterly terrible um it's like I look back on it it's
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stressful it was stressful as a kid you know to go from like I had gone to regular school I knew there were
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structure to like there is no structure and like I even as a kid I remember being like I don't think I'm learning
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enough like I don't think I'm you know or I'm really bad at this and her not
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knowing how to help me because she's like well I have to learn it too to the
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point where by the time I was in high school a lot of it was self-taught like it was just like here's the textbook you
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do your modular modular whatever mod the modules modular um um the modules and like you know
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you're going to learn XYZ you know come to ask if you have questions that kind
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of thing but also what's cool about homeschooling is like you can focus on those areas of like strengths and
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weaknesses right so it's like I was more creative in high school you were more creative person and so
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like having parents that kind of like push you in that direction to be like okay yeah like more guitar lessons or
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working in a studio or you know starting your own business or whatever it was to
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kind of like push you in a direction to be like it's a tailored education as
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opposed to like I had public school friends who were just like oh yeah I go and I learn this thing and then I just
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like regurgitated during the test and I'm like my history is like World War II
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because I'm just like really into World War II right now you know so my parents
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were like you know watch every World War II movie and read all books and you know
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whatever it's like really hyper focused and you brought up a PE earlier and I I
00:28:40
laughed because like my parents my my PE in high school was paintball and airsoft
00:28:47
and like they funded it because they were like that's PE but there was regulations around big you're going to
00:28:52
play this this frequently and you're going to go with these friends and like
00:28:56
but we got our friends parents will be into it so I was like okay PE for a lot of us was we went to a friend's house
00:29:03
and played Airsoft for 6 hours on the weekend you know yep it just worked you know it just that was just what you did
00:29:10
yeah 100% so I was going to bring up we we kind of briefly mentioned it earlier but
00:29:17
um prom we went to prom together we did and it was your senior year was I think my junior year right I'm pretty sure and
00:29:25
uh super weird it was a fun experience I it it's my favorite prom that I've gone to I went to two you
00:29:33
got oh I only went to one number two was worse but number one I I had fun you know I did too I I I can't remember
00:29:44
truly who even put it on if it was I think it was homeschoolers like just collectively putting on a prompt from
00:29:51
what I remember it was the Calvary Chapel School okay uh where we had group solutions they had a school and then
00:29:58
they would put on Prom every year but their their school numbers were so low so they would invite the achieve kids to
00:30:04
come be a part of it so it was this mix of like private schooled private Christian educated kids who most of had
00:30:12
been homeschooled um and then just like homeschoolers and the year we went that was the year it was at a golf course
00:30:19
right it was at a nice golf course and yep absolutely I mean you know that's
00:30:25
that's high school so harmones are aging you don't know what's going on does he
00:30:30
like me does she like me I mean we were just friends but you know you're looking
00:30:34
at everyone you're hoping you look okay just everything's just at a level
00:30:40
2,000 at least inside for me you know you you're so just I was very nervous and I I can't think of why now but it
00:30:49
was just in general just nerves it was my first big you know dance where my parents weren't there and I'm just with
00:30:57
my friends and um and so it was very very nerve-wracking but I ended up having such a blast you know it was a
00:31:03
very structured event I will say I you know having not been to a high school prom or a public school prom I think a
00:31:11
lot of things that or the general stereotypes of what people experience on prom night is definitely not what we
00:31:18
experienced we went to a 2hour long prom where it was dinner promptly and then dancing and then the second the DJ
00:31:25
started playing Thrift Shop which was uh you know had bad words in it I remember
00:31:30
them shutting down the Dance Floor completely and cutting off the evening and all right it is it is 8:30 or 900
00:31:36
p.m. it is time to go home and you know and I I just remember I think we all got in and out after or something
00:31:44
like that just to I think so decompress something along those lines but it was a
00:31:49
very short evening from what I remember it it was um yeah a lot of hype for kind
00:31:55
of nothing um to be to be hon a lot of hype yeah cuz like for a little bit of context like our experiences
00:32:04
going to school dances growing up was like swing ballroom and catian dancing so it was
00:32:10
very there was no grinding there was no no twerking did not exist like or if it did TW kicked out there was dress code
00:32:21
um and so like a very structured event like yeah as a as a dude who had dad's
00:32:27
come and basically like don't touch my daughter like that you know it's like
00:32:31
stuff like that very strict very yeah exactly very never forget never forget the yearly what they would call English
00:32:39
country dance where everyone wears Bridgerton clothes it looked like a scene from
00:32:44
richardton yearly English country dance very proper very you know structured so you were not seeing any immodesty you
00:32:54
were not seeing anyone you know dancing inappropriately it was just yeah you just have a good time well I think
00:33:02
that's what made prom so funny was because like you and you and I were friends we went together and then your
00:33:08
best friend went with my best friend yeah and so the four of us went together and I think uh another friend went with
00:33:14
us as well so I think there's five there's five of us yeah there was five
00:33:17
of us in total and so we were only used to having danced like swing music and and so we get there and they're they're
00:33:25
playing pop music and it's like no one knows how to to it right and so we're
00:33:29
like what are we supposed to do you know and it's like we'll just go out there
00:33:33
and shake it you know we were so uncomfortable I feel like our our the couple that we went with started swing
00:33:39
dancing because that's what you know that's what we knew I mean you hear a
00:33:43
song you grab a partner and you do the Lindy Hop you don't just step side to
00:33:49
side we were I remember being so uncomfortable just a wide dance floor with the DJ and lights it was like this
00:33:55
feels slightly wrong this is not what I'm used to yeah I think I was a little
00:34:00
bit more used to it only because well you were just cool you were always like outside of the crcy old school I feel
00:34:08
like like you you always just knew what was cool I don't know I had I I don't
00:34:14
look at if you're watching the video I'm very much a white boy but my I'm a
00:34:18
quarter Hispanic and my Hispanic side of my family at Family reunions it's it's a
00:34:23
massive dance party so I think I was I I kind of already had this like I know what to do in the circumstance like
00:34:28
we're just going to go out there and like you just shake it like you just shake your booty and have a good time
00:34:33
you did and you just and that's what helped me be more comfortable was like okay so he's you know dancing however I
00:34:38
guess I can you know yeah and you make stuff up right you're going to do you're
00:34:42
going to do the sprinkler and you're pushing the lawn mower and you know it's
00:34:46
like you just being silly and goofy and that was what it was all about and I think what was nice was like our prom
00:34:54
experience was not because we were also just friends I don't know about you I
00:34:59
can speak for you but my I didn't feel a pressure to be like oh it's going to end
00:35:04
like it like it's not a movie right it's not with like a romantic anything and so
00:35:09
it's was just like we're here to have fun let's just have fun yeah it wasy it
00:35:13
was just chill and we were just yeah we were exactly that Goofy and silly and just friends and and I didn't feel any
00:35:21
sort of pressure or like you know really desire to have anything more than just having a good time and we did you know
00:35:31
once the nerves wore off and we had dinner and and it was like hey just breathe just go out on the dance floor
00:35:36
and I would never watch a video of me dancing at that prom ever if that existed I would never want to see it
00:35:42
again but you know it was my first opening into um you know the world of not even normaly just just what a
00:35:54
dance floor looked like yeah you want to know what's so funny too is that like
00:35:59
um when when Maddie and I got married and Carrie you Carrie DJ at our wedding but like our wedding specifically was
00:36:09
like we are not playing any uh swing music right and so my it was weird cuz I had friends
00:36:16
come up to me and be like oh are you going to play any swing music and I was like no cuz like we're here to party
00:36:21
like we're here to have a good time and not exclude people and they're like what
00:36:26
are you talking about I'm like we're just gonna dance like I don't just go
00:36:29
out on the Dance Floor what about the Virginia real you know are we not doing Virginia yeah what about you know doing
00:36:37
all these awward dances from us being kids and I'm like well half the people
00:36:41
here the people on my wife's side they don't know how to do any of that so
00:36:44
they're just going to sit by and idly be weirded out by like all of my friends
00:36:49
and I feel like at that time too you had gone off to college you had lived you know this whole different life and you
00:36:55
were getting married a lot of people that were at your wedding I don't want to say had not moved forward it you know
00:37:04
everyone moves forward in their own way but they were still experiencing The Homeschool dances
00:37:10
if that makes sense you know that was still Forefront in their mind you know maybe doing community college but you
00:37:16
had gone out stepped into this whole other City whole other life whole other you know world and came back you know
00:37:23
getting Mar I don't know how to quite say that but it they and so they go to
00:37:27
to a wedding expecting oh there's going to be swing dancing still in that mentality of that's just what you do
00:37:34
yeah like let's talk about that a little bit because like that was I think the
00:37:39
transition from being a homeschool kid especially if you are homeschooled all the way through high school to going out
00:37:45
and like starting a career whether that's like going to College Community College like just getting a job whatever
00:37:50
it is it looks so different for all of us like yeah I immediately left I was like I moved out yeah I had I did
00:37:58
College in 3 years I came back I lived at home for a year um for some health reasons and then and then I moved to
00:38:05
Tennessee and then I've been there ever since right and so uh you know that for
00:38:13
me is what worked but a lot of people like you said got stuck with like Community College or they just existed
00:38:19
at home still and I think that plays into like having parents who went to school versus parents who didn't um was
00:38:26
like my parents college educated people and so that was what they knew was the next step and so they were pushing me
00:38:32
towards that or at least directing me in this kind of like they knew once you hit this age
00:38:39
you're an adult like you need to go make decisions for yourself yeah and so kind
00:38:44
of that driving pressure where a lot of homeschool parents I think get stuck is they're like the end goal for them is
00:38:50
like get the kid through high school right it's not get them out it's get
00:38:54
them through High School exactly and they get them through high school and then they go well what do we do now you
00:39:01
know and I did always REM your mom with that I remember hearing like and I remember being surprised when that was
00:39:08
you know your parents they had a very firm feeling on that and I was like you mean they kick you out at that age it's
00:39:14
like no not kicking out but similar to a baby bird leaving the nest it's like all
00:39:19
right it's your turn to to go I had a decision to make the decision was go to
00:39:24
school or get a job and pay rent and I was like go to school that just made more sense to me yeah and for what I
00:39:31
wanted to do with my life at the time but yeah I think a lot of people and there's no shame in that in
00:39:39
like being like Oh well I'm going to stick around for a few years and figure
00:39:41
it out or whatever like there's were taking Gap years and figuring out what they wanted to do and I I truly think a
00:39:48
lot of us didn't really know what to do after high school you know it was like okay and
00:39:55
it's okay I mean that's that's a big thing for everyone After High School is
00:40:00
okay what do I do now I feel the pressure of the entire world you know is there anything that you feel like your
00:40:06
parents could have done to kind of like help you in that time period where like cuz you I know you stuck around
00:40:14
home for a little bit and like you did some Community College and working and you know different jobs and stuff like
00:40:20
that but like was there anything like that they they could have like been like hey like here's kind of like a nudge and
00:40:28
like let's help you figure out what you want to do you know I I think the really
00:40:34
cool thing about my parents is that I never felt this immense pressure to decide because they knew whatever I was
00:40:45
going to choose as a career path I would do well in it and they I truly felt like
00:40:50
they would support me in any career path that I chose and I didn't know what I
00:40:55
wanted to do and m i I found it randomly you know at the time what I wanted to do
00:41:02
through a college class and that was something that my mom always encouraged me to do was you know if you think you
00:41:09
want to dabble your feet in this area of life or this career take a college class
00:41:14
on it you like ballet there's a community college that has ballet classes take it and see if you like it
00:41:21
you know definitely realize that's not my uh future career but I took a ballet
00:41:26
class because she encouraged it and and so that's what I think was the beauty of
00:41:33
at least having my parents is sure there was not this big push like you experienced with your parents but they
00:41:40
were very much I never felt like they had in their mind well you know she's has a musician as a father it would be
00:41:49
great you know if she took the path of recording studio engineer or instrumentalist or singer I never never
00:41:57
felt this weighing feeling that you know I was supposed to do a certain career because they said so and I know a lot of
00:42:05
people experience that with their parents of having high expectations for their kids and I am thankful that my
00:42:13
parents never you know forced me into anything and they were willing to support me and
00:42:18
they have supported me whatever Direction my life goes I do feel like I'm trying to remember what the
00:42:26
original question was was there anything they could have like you think like said
00:42:31
or done that maybe like would have maybe like sped up that process for you or like put you in a like cuz I think
00:42:40
that's where a lot of kids get stuck is that like Mom and Dad are going to support me and whatever and that's great
00:42:47
however like I I need them to like help me kind of just like push like in that initial starting Direction cuz like my
00:42:55
my parents like I said they put me to go to college but after my first year of college like I really didn't want to go
00:43:00
back and they were like well here's the options right and so it was like they
00:43:06
weren't saying I have to go back like oh we've already invested $330,000 in an
00:43:10
education for you they were just were like well what do you want to do like what is the alternative to like you
00:43:16
don't go back and I didn't know so I was like okay well I'll go back for a
00:43:19
semester and I and then after semester that's when I started to find what I was
00:43:24
looking for and so I was like I still hated it like I did College in three years because I just wanted out but it
00:43:29
was like also I had a direction of like okay I can do this and this is General enough that I don't need to 100% know
00:43:37
exactly what I have to do but it's good enough and then I can get a job and I
00:43:41
can you know slowly evolve my career over time into like different things that interest
00:43:46
me yeah no that that actually that's really good because I I do feel like if
00:43:53
anything there could have been more of a push to complete something I am very good and I'm very similar to my mother
00:44:02
in this aspect but I'm very good at starting projects starting jobs starting college and then
00:44:08
not completing things um the follow through is something that I lacked a lot more when I was younger I do feel like
00:44:16
maybe more deadlines or more of a okay so you want to do this we'll support you
00:44:21
but you know you need to finish your college education to get a degree you're
00:44:25
not you know so you can have that degree to fall back on um because I I'm not a
00:44:30
college graduate I did several years of community college classes at two different community colleges I never
00:44:37
graduated so that push to actually graduate and complete something I think would have been really
00:44:43
beneficial um for me to have you know and and thinking back I still loved the colleges that I went to I got so much
00:44:50
good experience and that's how I decided what one of my career paths was going to
00:44:54
be was through a college class but I definitely think more of a firm well if you're going to stay here
00:45:02
you need to start paying rent because learning how to do something in life like paying rent is something that you
00:45:08
need to learn how to do you know yeah and that push to to okay guess what bills are real that's a real thing you
00:45:15
know push to get a car push to get you know your first phone on your own um because again it's it's amazing that
00:45:24
they were so accepting and I ended up thankfully being a a very self um sufficient person and someone who I I'm
00:45:33
a self starter and I can get myself through things but the push to actually complete something like a college
00:45:39
degree I I probably could have benefited from that a little bit but yeah and who's to say you can't go back and
00:45:44
finish it you know if you really wanted to you can that's a good point you know
00:45:49
most people once they start their career though like they're on the path of like
00:45:53
I I even talk about my to my dad about this it's like he doesn't have a master's degree but at this point would
00:45:58
it benefit him any probably not you know um just the life experience you get from
00:46:04
just life exactly he's got 20s something odd years of of work experience under
00:46:09
his belt it's like that is a master's degree yeah I consider it yeah and and
00:46:14
in anything you do you can be educated and and this is not a big push to be like oh everyone needs to go to college
00:46:20
like it's really not I have tons of friends who have done like vocational work and they they gone into the trades
00:46:25
and they do really well for themselves go to military you know and and friends who don't do any school after college
00:46:32
and are really successful what they do um but but I do understand that push of like you want to do this thing so like
00:46:42
let's put some guidelin let's put some boundaries around it so that you can
00:46:45
like judge what success in that looks like right and that's that's a big thing
00:46:50
for I think a lot of young people is yeah well what does success look like you know it's
00:46:57
like you know is it is it a money is it a monetary thing is it it's so hard and
00:47:03
your your brain is just spinning like okay what do I want to do and what do I like and yeah well and
00:47:10
we're taught so much that it's like once you pick a career path that's like what
00:47:14
you're stuck with right it's like you're going to do this one thing for the rest
00:47:17
of your life and it's like that's actually not really true it doesn't have
00:47:22
to be true it can be true um there's plenty of people who do want to just stick with my dad's had the same not the
00:47:28
same job but he's done basically the same thing for the last for my entire lifetime yeah um so 27 years 27 plus
00:47:35
years and it's like that's crazy to me um I can't imagine doing that when I
00:47:40
like switch things up every six month the same as you I know I'm the same as
00:47:44
you I get I don't want to say I get bored but I get like this urge to like okay let's switch it up let's let's do
00:47:51
something else exciting you know not that I'm tired of what I do because you
00:47:55
know at the end of the day you do have to work and you do have to bring in money and whatever that looks like for
00:47:59
you sometimes it's not the most enjoyable I'm thankful to have a job that I love and I'm also doing side gig
00:48:05
work as well so it's yeah it's I can't do the same thing every day I would go
00:48:12
ballistic and I think that probably comes from the home school not every day was different and I didn't have that
00:48:19
mundane you know 8: a.m. to 4: whatever public school hours are um every day was
00:48:25
so different and now in my adult life it's like nothing has to be the same every day yeah hobbies are important
00:48:33
hobbies are really good and like and if you can monetize them awesome you know but not every hobby has to be monetized
00:48:41
um but you know knowing that about yourself and knowing I I enjoy doing you know XYZ it's like that's good you know
00:48:49
it it's a self you know it's a looking Inward and and recognizing that like I
00:48:55
need this to keep saying and in my life because yeah getting bored with the mundane and yeah we grew up in
00:49:00
situations where it's like every day was totally different you know and that's
00:49:04
what made it really fun like it to be honest it always so fun yeah I I remember being like when I got my
00:49:11
license and like I I had a car and I was like off and doing my own stuff and like
00:49:16
I remember it was like 10:30 in the morning and I'm like out doing the grocery shopping for my mom or something
00:49:22
just I don't know why but I was just like at a store for some reason at this
00:49:26
lady and she's like you're really young to be here like should you be in school
00:49:29
and I was like oh well I I did school last night like I finished school at 2: this morning and I think and she was
00:49:34
just like she could not understand what was going on and I was like she's like
00:49:38
no you're supposed to be in class and I'm like no I I did my class last night
00:49:43
finished at 2 a.m. U I'm shopping I'm grocery shopping for my mom today and
00:49:48
she's like I she just couldn't she wanted me to like leave or something I
00:49:53
don't know it was really confusing that's funny I swear people cannot like understand how that that looks
00:50:01
because it is it's weird to see a a teenager you know in a grocery store in the middle of the day it's like
00:50:08
shouldn't you I co changed that for a lot of people where it was like it it threw everyone into a tail spin and then
00:50:14
that is that's why there's been a rise in homeschooling because of that um and
00:50:19
parents seeing like oh maybe this isn't super hard right or doing an at home
00:50:24
partially education yeah you know there there's some benefits to it and and things like that
00:50:30
so well and I can only imagine the amount of resources there are now is opposed to when we didn't have YouTube
00:50:36
you know growing up and um H you know you had to purchase all the curriculum yourself or or we would have curriculum
00:50:44
sales that was another Pastime or fun activity I feel like every so often all the homeschool moms would get together
00:50:51
and sell whatever curriculum they didn't need anymore and so many families benefited from it we benefited hugely
00:51:00
from that but that was just back then you know now to be able to home school the amount of resources that I'm sure
00:51:08
are available would just blow my mind like that's a that's something I never
00:51:13
think about is like we had a lot of great resources back then but now you know I can only imagine yeah exactly
00:51:21
like Google is so much more powerful now and you know being able to research and
00:51:26
learn on your own is like insanely easy and so so with all of that being said if
00:51:35
you like when SL if you have kids or you have people in your life who have kids and they're like I'm thinking about
00:51:42
homeschooling like would you say yes or would like would you be like that's do
00:51:48
it or or would you be like maybe maybe some public school you know I I would say person
00:51:56
personally if you know I don't plan on having kids but if that were to happen
00:52:00
you know if however life goes I personally would not see myself homeschooling only because knowing
00:52:08
myself I don't feel comfortable with the education that I've had and you know
00:52:13
with the extracurriculars and you know the artistic PE side of things I would absolutely love that but re in reality
00:52:23
the academic side of things I would want to rely on someone public school or a private school to educate my children I
00:52:31
would definitely encourage parents who are considering it to give it a shot I I think that it you
00:52:40
know it definitely had some like anything schooling wise it had you know pros and cons but I would definitely
00:52:50
encourage it I would say you know if you feel more comfortable with it if you you
00:52:57
feel strong in yourself um to be able to provide that for your your children I would definitely say go for it I would
00:53:07
also suggest to surround yourself with other fellow homeschoolers because I can't imagine my parents doing that with
00:53:15
me and my siblings alone with no support from fellow parents from fellow groups fellow
00:53:23
Educators um because that Community is what really helped us survive homeschooling I think without that
00:53:32
Community if you're just doing it by yourself um the resources are very limited and it's going to be a lot
00:53:40
harder I know that my parents leaned on fellow parents so heavily sometimes to you it was really a village rages
00:53:49
whatever the phrase is the village raises a child or you know everybody takes a village it takes a village thank
00:53:55
you everybody came together and uh for all of us and we all were able to benefit from so many different people so
00:54:03
I would I would say go for it if that's something that you're interested in but
00:54:09
definitely surround yourself with you know I'm sure there are communities there are people who are interested in
00:54:15
the same thing um because that's I think what made the experience so cool is you
00:54:23
know the entire Community I think it's I think too it's just parents being
00:54:28
involved in their kids education is really important right oh yeah it's like
00:54:32
whether you agree with what you know what whatever your kid is learning if you can be there and be learning it
00:54:38
alongside of them so when they have questions they feel safe to come and talk to you about it right questions it
00:54:44
AB absolutely that's how I felt with my parents and like and with the community
00:54:49
that we grew up in in the village it's like that was I felt safe going to other
00:54:54
parents and asking them questions around too because it was just like the these were also teachers in my life you know
00:55:01
and so that was helpful is like ask dumb questions it just it makes life so much
00:55:08
better it feels dumb at the moment but it's like just ask it because otherwise
00:55:13
you're not going to know right and then yeah well the likelihood of them them
00:55:18
that person that you're asking that dumb question to the likelihood of them remembering oh I remember when I didn't
00:55:23
know that you know takes takes you back and every every person that I like you how you said that because every parent I
00:55:30
did feel comfortable with and it always I mean at the time I didn't know it but
00:55:35
looking back the surrounding just love and investment from all of the parents and the mentors that we had was huge it
00:55:45
like you said it was always a safe space and it was always something that you could go to anyone the parents to to
00:55:51
talk to about um and and that's just something I feel like you don't have the
00:55:55
connection with teachers I mean again don't have much of experience but they're there to teach
00:56:02
and then they leave whereas you know my relationship with my parents is definitely something that I am very
00:56:07
lucky to have not many people are you know that lucky or that blessed to have the relationship like how I do with my
00:56:15
parents and and growing up with their investment too so I think homeschooling played a huge part of that the other
00:56:22
question I would ask too is you know people always say like oh yeah homeschooling homeschoolers are weirdos
00:56:27
which we are but like does it get better like after not being a homeschooler for it's been 10 years for me um so that
00:56:37
means it's been 11 years for you um 11 years wow that's crazy not to date ourselves or anything
00:56:44
but no but that's so weird to think about and also like I'm still so young
00:56:48
you know to put it in perspective like I how I would answer that is every everybody's weird everybody goes through
00:56:59
a very weird adolescence whether it's public school or homeschooling um and I mean it didn't stop me I'm
00:57:09
still weird but I definitely learned so much um you know moving from homeschooling and you know I get to the
00:57:18
point now where people ask me you know if the topic comes up and I say yeah I was homeschooled either they say yeah
00:57:24
that makes sense which I'm always curious about that answer or just oh that's cool what was that experience you
00:57:31
know and and I I definitely feel like it's I don't know it it absolutely gets
00:57:38
better it changes um and and I I feel comfortable in the space now where I am my own person and you know I've I've
00:57:45
been able to take some things from what I grew up learning and and I've been
00:57:49
able to find my own path and I think that's I really value what homeschooling
00:57:55
gave me and and that's what becoming an adult is like is learning who you are
00:58:02
and if that resonates with what you learned growing up and it it does get better you know I'm I
00:58:11
definitely you know I I know for me at least it does get better I have seen you know the the typical homeschooler uh
00:58:20
stereotype you where you stay that way your entire life and I'm sure that happens but in my case and I think
00:58:27
definitely in your case too like it absolutely gets better so yes uh yeah I look back at photos and
00:58:34
I'm like I'm like oh my gosh we were cringy as hell um but but the other
00:58:39
thing the other thing that has been great about homeschooling is like I have lifelong friends who I grew up with and
00:58:46
you being one of them and I have other friends too who it's just like I will be
00:58:50
friends with them probably until the day I die I will be friends with them for a
00:58:55
very long time and and it's this thing where you can not see them for years I mean when you
00:59:02
were in college I didn't see you for you know four plus years and you come back
00:59:06
and it it's just like nothing changed you know you can still talk about the old times new times but it yeah the just
00:59:12
solid people who are going to be in your life forever well is there any other is
00:59:19
there anything else you want to share any other cringy stories any other tidbits of advice that you're just like
00:59:25
oh man people to know uh I we could do a whole separate episode of cringey stories so I leave
00:59:35
that for part two but um just you know I say just just do you it's it's G to turn
00:59:43
out all right in the end it always does it's all gonna be okay it's all gonna be
00:59:48
okay wow super uh Ted Talk Vibe of me but um no this thank you so much for coming on and chat this was so fun this
00:59:59
it's the reminiscing that gets me it's like oh like certain memories that you
01:00:02
brought up I'm like oh gosh I completely forgot about that you know yeah exactly
01:00:07
no and that's that's how I feel too is like thinking back I'm like you know
01:00:12
there's things I blacked out or whatever that I'm just like I then now I'm going
01:00:15
through old photos and I'm like trying to kind of reinvigorate myself of like
01:00:20
okay what was like homeschooling like again cuz like I said it's been 10 years
01:00:24
um it's been yeah a little over 10 years at this point and it's like oh my gosh
01:00:28
like I remember doing these different things that were just like some of them super awful and awkward and you know
01:00:36
terrible but other things are just like so great and they're just like such strong memories of like you know growing
01:00:43
up and just having fun you know and just being kids and being allowed to be kind
01:00:49
of the weird kids where we had interest oh this was the thing I was going to bring up this sparked my memory here we
01:00:56
go Carrie and I were in class together in high school and we filmed an entire movie together that we had a movie
01:01:06
premiere we had a red carpet we had all of these crazy things two Preface on that that wasn't the assignment okay it
01:01:14
was a British literature class we were reading The Importance of Being Earnest and it was an extra credit work if we
01:01:21
filmed a scene a scene from the book or from the play you get extra credit I don't know how it turned into what it
01:01:29
did but we filmed the entire script yes we got our friends involved we had like a cast of eight different
01:01:36
people I want to say we filmed at different locations we had a movie premiere like you said
01:01:42
like yeah I was looking back at photos of my life right there we did a music video your dad your dad let us record a
01:01:49
song in the studio and then we made a music video we released it on DVD I know it exists out there um my when my
01:01:57
grandfather passed away they found like two copies of it in his house and I like
01:02:02
love watch it again I mean we had this movie premiere at a friend's house and
01:02:08
we got doled up we had cake we had food all of the members of The Homeschool community and more like people from my
01:02:16
church came who I didn't really know people came out to support like and it was a threeh hour long movie don't
01:02:24
forget that it was long it was it we spent a long time on it and I'm pretty sure people were so tired of it by the
01:02:31
end because it I mean we were kids it was so poorly produced because we didn't
01:02:35
have anything better you know but talk about like the best I feel like it happened over the course of six months
01:02:41
to like a year of just it was a long time it was so much fun we learned our lines we did the costumes like we asked
01:02:50
friends parents to film at their houses like do dog one of a the best memories I
01:02:56
have with you is definitely that yeah I had to bring it up just because yeah like I said looking at
01:03:03
photos I saw some photos from it and I was just like I was REM reminded of yeah just it was awkward and it was terrible
01:03:10
but like looking back I wouldn't change that for anything and how many public
01:03:14
school kids get to be like I filmed an entire movie and had a red carpet premiere for my not that many how many
01:03:22
home school kids not that many but for us we did it we did the thing we had golden stars we had cake we had popcorn
01:03:29
we did the full movie theater backyard experience it was great it was fantastic um that movie will not be
01:03:37
shown anywhere you cannot find it on the internet do not go looking for it sure the music video is still up there on one
01:03:43
of my old YouTube accounts probably is yeah you can hear my voice cracking linked down below no yeah links yeah
01:03:51
links in the show notes probably not um don't go look for it please yeah definitely won't be able
01:03:58
to to find it it's in the archives but that that was just I mean we did theater
01:04:03
but there was nothing that compared to to that and just the effort I mean I'm I really hope
01:04:12
we passed that class I can't remember I think we must have we did my mom gave us
01:04:17
all A's she was like the amount of work that we put into that she was like more
01:04:21
work into that than actual homework yeah did the actual class yeah yeah I think everyone else in that
01:04:27
class was like what are they doing no one got it and it was just whoever was a part of it was a part of it and yeah
01:04:36
again I still don't even know how we just thought of it but it it just happened it was fun yeah yeah the super
01:04:44
fun so that's another encouragement for parents and you know is like let your
01:04:49
kids be weird and do really fun corg stuff because at the time we didn't think we were weird I I mean I knew I
01:04:54
was not cool but like I never thought I was weird until looking back it's like
01:05:00
God that is so cringe but at the time that's just what you did you just you just filmed a whole movie from a book
01:05:06
you just you know you just wore matching superhero shirts because you could at groups or whatever I don't know if you
01:05:13
remember that we definitely did that yeah no we definitely did that and yeah you just did you just did it you were on
01:05:20
the Mind team you did theater like you just you took home economics CL for girls y you
01:05:29
know and that's just what you did that's yep that's just what it was so anyway
01:05:37
yeah well thank you for coming on I really appreciate it thank you for being my first
01:05:41
interview many more to come hopefully you'll come back part two I would love
01:05:47
to do part two but also I would love to hear this podcast is going to be so rad because every person's experience is
01:05:54
different and it's so cool to open up the conversation of the stories that people have and you know what people are
01:06:03
going through now as far as homeschooling you know I'm sure it's different some things are the same but
01:06:08
it it's just going to be so cool to hear what people have to say about their
01:06:12
experiences and I'm I'm very much looking forward to that too so thank you
01:06:16
for This brilliant idea well thank you and yeah if you're new to the podcast because well this is
01:06:23
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01:06:32
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01:06:36
make them be answered so all right until next time later [Music]