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did you say how he did it i'm hoing to God he was life any murder is a horrible
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tragedy but to murder your own mother I think reflects a particularly callous and de Brave individual he took pleasure
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in seeing pain in other people even his own mom and his sister Jesse winning is a bad man he's deeply Disturbed there is
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nothing that the state of California can do whether in prison or on the street his actions have
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never-endingly affected my life the pearo process the threat the fear I think that Jesse is an evil evil person
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to see my mom lying in a pool of blood in her favorite room in the house killed by my brother shook me to
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my core I realized he was not my brother he was a monster [Music] [Music] my name is Matthew Allen I'm a deputy da
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at the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office I first heard about Jesse Winnick when I received a police
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report that described some of the conduct that he did over at the prison Jesse winck was a prisoner at California
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State Prison Los Angeles County when he was walking on the roadway with two inmate manufactured weapons he took
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those weapons onto the prison yard and attempted to stab a correctional officer I was a journalist for several
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years and worked for many newspapers and I covered crime as one of my beats with
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someone as vola and unpredictable and coldblooded as he seems to be I would rather just not have
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that connection like with my name or with my face in 2007 Jesse Winnick was incarcerated for the murder of his
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mother it affects me constantly when I'm on the freeway driving that path that I
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did that night I'm immediately transferred back to where I was when I lost [Music]
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her 22-year-old Amy Winnick had just finished a shift at her work when her brother Jesse aged 25 called
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her he told me not to go home I remember there was a pit in my stomach That Grew
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immediately and I asked him why and he told me just don't go home when I called
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home mom didn't pick up and I had no idea still why I called Jesse back again that's when Jesse told me he had
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killed mom he just said again and very clearly don't come home I killed mom and hung
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up I know that wasn't sure if he was telling the truth I couldn't believe it but I still
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had an ankling to call 911 I explained to them as I was driving home on the freeway much like right now it was dark
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it was late at night I didn't know I was about to walk into but I knew I had to call
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911 I'm going to be there in one minute I I I would suggest not going in if he's
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uh if he's done that I'm hoping to God he was lying I'm sorry if he if he
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was Jesse winck is the most dangerous kind of criminal because he's not restrained by love for his family the
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murder that he perpetrated against his own mother was violent sadistic and extremely personal his rap sheet and his
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Prison history reflects someone who has not recognized the error of his ways whatsoever and will continue to be
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violent in whatever context he put on keep walking Jesse and Amy's parents were
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Hadas and Sherman Winnick they had been childhood sweethearts my mom was born in
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Israel she was born in 1952 January 26th and she is every bit I guess of Aquarius she um was a creative kid she
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was full of life and she remembers kind of just running free as a kiddo collecting frogs in her pockets and
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having a sweet childhood Jesse was the couple's eldest child my you know my parents got married
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on January 26th 1981 and my brother was born January 21st 1982 so they conceived
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him pretty quickly and they had him within a year this is from Jesse's birthday his actual birthday the day he
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was born mom would have been extremely hopeful to think back on this day being the happiest day of her life one of
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them in contrast to the fact that that young baby ended up murdering her it's shocking and it's heartbreaking
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to look at this photo by the time I was conceived they were separated so I never lived with my
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father I never saw their marriage in person Amy was born on December 24th 1984 making her almost 3 years younger
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than her [Music] brother when you are born into a family you follow the family Rules the itself
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has its own almost subculture I know my dad was an alcoholic he had been an alcoholic since
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the age of 16 he cheated on my mom throughout most of the marriage I think my mom from what I read
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in her diary was in an abusive relationship um with him both physically emotionally and mentally so um that is a
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cycle that I would see eventually carry over into my brother and my mom's [Music]
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relationship she's the youngest sibling but seems to be in the position of supporting her older brother these are
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all her her Norms it's hard for me to find a photo of the two of us where I look like I'm
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happy and he looks like he's not controlling me even in this baby photo it seems like he's manhandling me in
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some way in 1989 now a single mom Hadas took the kids and set up on her own Calabasas is a very wealthy area
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that although it is in Los Angeles County it's nothing like La really there is certainly very very little
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violent crime it's a lot of open space and big houses the Kardashians live there a lot of celebrities live there
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retire there it's a quiet really beautiful area Hadas was a high school teacher in
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the valley she was a beloved teacher the house move as well as the absence of their father meant that the
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kids lives had been turned upside down tensions began to grow between the siblings eight or nine was already
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relatively verbally abusive to me he would call me names he would make fun of my appearance he was a
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bully what you want as the younger sibling is to feel secure and safe and protected by that older sibling and that
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is something that Amy I think wanted from her brother but did not get the only times I ever can remember
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my brother being kind or loving or warm or caring were times when he wanted something from me I don't think he was
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ever nurturing or protective in nature without there being an ulterior motive so there's an element of
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transaction going on there I'll be nice to you if I can get this from you and
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some of this seems to fit with what was also going on at school with his behavior he was being aggressive and
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violent with teachers he would eventually be kicked out of school Jesse's Behavior at home was also
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out of control Jesse was maybe around 12 years old when he became really explosively
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angry and verbally abusive it began by calling my mom names um stupid he called me ugly he called me
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chubby he loved to make fun of my looks this is another really beautiful but ironic photo you can see
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me hugging and loving on Mom and Mom adoring and staring at Jesse and Jesse having the smuggest look
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on his face ever with no regard for anybody else in the photo and I just think it it completely
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captures what it was like to be in our family or what our relationships were like it's very hard to really think that
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your son is bad that your son can't be helped that your son would ever really
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do something terrible to to yourself or to his sister and I think that even though she saw these issues develop and
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get worse that I don't think she ever really truly believed he became very abusive towards
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the walls that's how it began he was also destructive to our environment in the sense that I can
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clearly remember him lighting a fire in the bathtub of our home trying to see if the fire alarm would go
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[Music] off and once it did and the firemen showed up my mom wasn't home he would
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then coer me into lying and saying that I lit a fire that accidentally set off the
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alarm when Jesse he was 12 Hadas had an accident at school where she fell on a step injuring her ankle following a
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string of unsuccessful operations she used a wheelchair for several years the abuse at Jesse's hands did not
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lessen in fact it worsened Jesse sensed a weakness and that is when he became physically abusive to my mom he would
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have no job and no license and he was at home with her during that time and I was
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in school for many of those days I can remember her standing up out of her wheelchair and he pushed her
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down Amy was almost the other surrogate parent psychologically this is not a good place for a child to find
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themselves in where they as a kid are supporting an adult to look after the other sibling
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what it does is Rob her of her own [Music] childhood he does have a knack at knowing people's weaknesses or
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recognizing them and when he does that he's able to figure out what would hurt
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people most and he does not shy away from hurting people I had always seen my mom as a
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really strong woman so to see her not only become disabled but also to for her to to
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be physically harmed in such a way it was really detrimental it was heartbreaking for me to
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see Amy Winnick was 11 years old the first time her brother Jesse then aged 14 abused
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her I don't remember any happy memories I don't remember any points where he was
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a healthy sibling I think Jesse just saw as somebody to utilize whenever he wanted
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to and how Amy has described her childhood with him and her her mom was that they were there for his use she's a
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victim of his domestic terrorism he blackmailed me into inserting objects inside of myself in
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front of him to go through my first sexual experiences in front of my brother and to be
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objectified in that sense um had lasting effect on [Music] me there's a great deal of
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coercion of your younger sibling to get them to behave that way she was effectively at his Mercy that's my older
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brother I'm going to do as I'm told and there's an element of think almost
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survival Instinct this photo must have been around when Jesse was I want to say in 10th grade
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this would also be around the time right after the sexual abuse at his hands happened I can see in his face he is
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extremely troubled I know he was really angry this was one of the worst times with
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him as Jesse Winnick became more and more violent to his family it became clear to those around him that he had
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problems of his own when he was 15 I think around that age he experienced his first physical Mental
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Health crisis in the sense that he attempted suicide we went to dinner when we came back he was in his bed and he
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was hallucinating he was sweating and crying and yelling and we I believe she found an empty
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bottle very large size bottle of Tylenol he had taken um he was taken to the hospital immediately they pumped his
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stomach um and he would right after begin his very first mental health stay at an
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institution he was diagnosed very young with bipolar disorder OCD Tourette syndrome and most recently he was given
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a diagnosis of ADHD he would often manipulate doctors or therapists or just be absolutely
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unmanageable refused to cooperate my mom tried to obtain therapist help and he would verbally
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abuse those therapists and they stopped seeing him it was kind of a dead end for
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her there he didn't go to college he didn't get a job he remained in the home up
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until the crime basically just terrorizing his mother and sister when I was about 16 17 years old
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I was standing in the kitchen making myself a meal and from behind me I felt a very swift kick in between my legs
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which caused me an immense amount of pain and made me double over I asked him why he did it and he
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said he just wanted to see if it hurt a woman to be kicked there it was the most pain I had ever
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felt in my entire life I remember feeling like I was just assaulted and I didn't have those words to describe that
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as Amy grew up Jesse's abuse of his family continued to escalate with his main focus becoming their mother
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hadash one time at dinner we were sitting there talking about something and she said something that angered him
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he turned towards her and had a fork in his hand and he poked her skin while he was she was talking um it was
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just incessant Terror that he tried to execute on us but it was also inconsistent in the sense that we never
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knew when it would happen he wasn't able to restrain himself from lashing out
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physically outbursts were really common and it seemed like Hadas and Amy were kind of walking on eggshell all the
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time before one of the last attacks that Jesse executed against mom he turned to
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me and said let me just kill her I'll run to Mexico just let me get away with
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it during his teenage years Jesse Winnick wasn't just causing serious trouble at home it also had many run-ins
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with law enforcement my mom called the police many times their understanding of what
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to do with Jesse was very limited they would arrest him they would detain him for a few hours maybe a night and then
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and then they would return him back home that would happen for years unable to follow rules Jesse
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struggled to hold down a job so when he turned 20 he joined the army when he got into the military mom
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and I had a bit of a reprieve from the [Music] abuse he was only gone several weeks
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and then mom got a phone call from Jesse saying that he was being abused and she got him a flight
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home I always wondered if he was lying he would come home from the military at 20 even angrier than he went in he felt
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like the one resolution or solution he found or could have found didn't help
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him at all in F in fact in his mind it hurt him he's been thrown out of school
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he's been rejected by the military the outside world are kind of saying to him
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we can't deal with you he goes back home and now he's in this confined space with
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his mother and his sister he has no other outlets for his incessant attacks so it's a completely
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self-centered selfish U pathology at this point his behavior escal did infinitely in April of 2007 is one of
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the worst experiences I can remember I remember I was at a fraternity party and I saw probably 10 to 15 Miss calls from
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Mom I called her back she told me she needed me because Jesse had attacked her Jessie became angry at mom for some
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reason and decided to recreate one of his favorite movie scenes it's a scene in which somebody
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creates a homemade flamethrower out of an aerosol can and a lighter and he attacked her
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physically he attempted to catch her on fire she somehow escaped from him or missed
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and told him to leave he would jump out of our two-story balcony onto my mom's
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foot of my car dented it slashed her tires before running off following the attack on his mother
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hadass Jesse Winnick was quickly apprehended and jailed for assault Jesse was in jail for at least
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several months he would call her probably about once a day when he was in jail he would tell her he was
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sorry he would tell her he would never do it again we hear those Cycles in abusive
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relationships between intimate Partners but to be a mother and to be hearing those promises from your
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child she had to have unending hope for him feels like a trauma Bond where you're intermittently
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rewarded with kindness and intermittently there's punishment so you never quite know where you
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stand mom would eventually get an accidental death life insurance policy I don't think I ever face that reality
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like she did perhaps cuz I wasn't there that night that he attacked her so she knew
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in her heart that he could kill [Music] her September 25th 2007 will forever be etched in my brain
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as one of the worst days ever in my life I was at work I got backtack phone calls from Jesse and Mom and I could
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tell that there was tension building but neither of them really said it outrightly I got another phone call from
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my mom um she was saying what time are you going to be home I said I already told you probably around 10: why what's
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up and that was that she said okay fine bye again and that was the last time I talked to
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her on my way home I called Jesse I said hey I'm on my way home I told him I
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would call him I said what's going on and he said I killed mom and I said what you're kiding you've
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got to be kidding me he said no I killed mom he hung up I called 911 I think I was about 5 minutes away
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from home by the time someone picked up the police just Patcher told me to leave the
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house immediately because the killer might be still inside and that was the moment that dawned on me what Jesse had
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done as I was passing through the entry way and saw the kitchen and that is where her body was um she was laying on
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the floor in a very very large pool of blood with um what I initially saw at first was her hand
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outstretched and the phone just outside of her reach and then I saw that the knife that
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Jesse had used to kill her was still in her neck he had stabbed her all the way down to the
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[Music] hilt I ran out of the door and I was met by the police right then [Music]
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I can't describe the emotions I felt finding her I don't even think I can
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describe the emotions surrounding that night it was just my brain was on fire out of nowhere I was left with no
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family I was left without my best friend following the murder 25-year-old Jesse showered and changed his clothes
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before stealing his mom's car he then drove a few miles south and got into a friend's car he had told the
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friend that he' done something bad and he needed to get out of [Music] [Music]
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town it would be I would say probably 3 or 4 hours before they caught him I think he was caught about 2 or 3 miles
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from our home um and it was those were the longest few hours of my life he had a shower he got changed he
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left the house he jumped into a car and fled the scene step by step by step not he did
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this and he fled the house in a state of panic I'm struggling to find the panic in his
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behavior Jesse was arrested the night of the crime and was charged for the murder of
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Hadas his mom with Jesse under arrest police started to piece together what had happened between him and his
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mother one thing I've learned as a prosecutor is that it's actually very
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difficult to murder someone with a knife it's very personal you have to get very
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close and it's extremely bloody and gory and to imagine that Jesse win would do
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that to his own mother was really shocking he had been making a sandwich with the knife that he had killed my mom
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with he had I guess sat down to eat it perhaps or something and had left the counter full of stuff my mom wanted to
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make food and had turned to him and said put everything away I'd like to use the
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counter and he said no um she continued and said if you're going to eat you're going to clean up too and
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he responded by killing her I felt heartbroken I felt shocked um I felt lost murdering someone over May making a
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sandwich suggests to me that this is an incredibly egocentric focused individual it's all
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about him he does not care about anybody [Music] else after mom's murder my whole life
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flips upside down I couldn't be alone I didn't stay at home alone I couldn't
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sleep at night I worried about Jesse getting out of jail I worried about what would happen in my future it was an
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absolute life-altering situation and I had no idea what was going to [Music] come this is the last photo that my mom
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and I took together I had no idea it would be the last picture it illustrates our
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relationship I love that the last photo I have of us is not a smiling but her kissing
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me I love [Music] it despite the overwhelming evidence that Jesse Winnick was guilty of the
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murder of his mother hadass it would take over four years until Jesse was sentenced there were a lot of things he
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attempted to do in order to stall I believe what he was doing was he was trying to exhaust me in his mind I was
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what stood between him and a lesser sentence he would start taking medication for one of his mental
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illnesses and then abruptly go off the medication right before the trial was supposed to start then he could be
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deemed mentally unfit to stand trial and the whole thing would be delayed again he would fire his lawyers abruptly so
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that a new team had to start from square one it was incredibly frustrating and it lasted for
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years I don't think I felt like I was living at that time it felt like I [Music]
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was on pause as if as in I couldn't plan I couldn't grieve I couldn't sometimes I
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couldn't even [Music] breathe I can can only imagine how frustrating it was for Amy and the
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family that seeming like it would be pretty straightforward there were just constant
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delays I went to jail to visit him and to ask him if he would please plead guilty he was attempting to coers me
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into like forgiving him into dropping the charges he told me that Mom visits him
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in his dreams and that she forgives him I think I said something like okay but I
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don't you know um because I didn't forgive [Music] him Jesse pleaded no contest to the
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charge of second deegree murder of Hadas winck I was sitting in the gallery and I
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remember him looking back at me and like nodding Gravely and then looking back and then saying yes I plead guilty I
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accept the sentence um as if he was doing that for me symbolically he was escorted out of the
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room and he began his sentence Jesse was sentenc to 15 years to life but Amy's nightmare was far from
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over instead of engaging in rehabilitative programming and bettering himself he continued his Rampage of Violence by
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assaulting officers threatening staff fighting other inmates and generally continuing Life Of
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Crime JY winck was assigned to facility C at California State Prison Los Angeles
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County that's the yard that we use for people that have severe mental health
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problems he walked out onto the yard with two inmate manufactured weapons which we sometimes call shanks they were
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hidden on his body and he approached a correctional officer named kamacho this body camera footage is
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going to show us from officer kamacho perspective just how it went down you can watch carefully he's got something
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in his hand looks like a piece of string from the handle of the weapon here we go here comes the pepper
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spray there's The Knife Down goes the body camera what we're seeing here is the
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body camera for the first off to respond to the sne there's winck there's kamacho
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the pepper spray just happened here comes the attack bam hits winck right off of
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kamacho that's that's excellent police work guess it's safe to assume that he
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would have done to officer kamano the same thing that he did to his own mother which is kill him with a
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knife walking walking keep walking even locked up Jess Winnick still posed a threat to his sister
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Amy I received a letter in the mail saying that my brother was scheduled for his first Pearl hearing that was only 9
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and 1/2 years after his sentencing the rug was just pulled right out from under me I started mentally preparing I was
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shocked Amy attended an online call where she would face her brother and the parole
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board he said I I entered prison as a bad man and I've only gotten worse I've
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stabbed over 90 people since getting here I said you have already done the worst thing possible you've killed our
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mom at which point he then recited a recent address of mine and said he could have friends visit me and take care of
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me and my children obviously the parole board is thrown for a loop and asks me to mute myself and turn off my camera
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and I do um he remains on the camera the whole time he is slicing his thumb across his throat at me to simulate what
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he did to my mother he was keeping track of me and I think all of my biggest fears
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just kind of collapsed on me in that moment [Music] um ah Amy attempted to file a complaint to
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have Jesse charged for the death [Music] threat the prison wrote a letter that angered me to no end it said this threat
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was not a big enough threat sorry in essence um and I was shocked and I was left wondering what I could do in the
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next two years to make sure that he did not get out it soon transpired though that Jesse
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threats were very real I received a phone call from the detective saying we need to come over
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and talk to you and the detective knocks on the door he sits down and he says did you have anything to do with
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your mom's murder I was confused and I said absolutely not my mom was my best friend
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I would never have harmed her ever he said Jesse wrote to an inmate saying that I had planned the murder
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that I had promised him all this non-existent money um for doing it and I deserve to be taught a lesson
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because I am not fulfilling my portion of whatever sick agreement he is purporting the other inmate was supposed
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to tell Amy chestler to do certain things for Jesse like hire him a lawyer and give him money and we believe that
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if she had not complied with his demands that he would do the worst luckily the inmate did not go
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through with that and actually uh turned over evidence of Jesse's actions to
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us I got a call from an unknown number I picked up and it was Amy she told me that at a parole hearing he had
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threatened her on the record and even made the motion of slitting his own throat in reference to her and that was
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something that I found particularly disturbing I got a transcript from the parole hearing and I discovered that
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everything she told me was completely true I was shocked deeply shocked that that could happen at a p hearing and
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that there would be no consequences as of yet within a week or so he had confirmed
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to me he would charge my brother with the death threat from PE [Music] hearing I charged him with several
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different crimes including attempted murder attempted murder of a public official and two counsil possessing a
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weapon in prison we went into the courtroom stared at the back of his head um I listened to him make some sort
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of a statement to a certain degree and then it was my turn to talk I listened to Amy's statement which
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was very moving as she recounted what it was like to live with someone like Jesse
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year after year day after day all the the horrible things that he did that did not result in criminal
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charges I was laying out a lot of the abuse that we faced and while I did that he basically just called me a
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dumb yeah that's he just attempted to talk virtually over my entire statement it just seems like he doesn't
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have like a conscience at all I think that's the scariest thing about it like
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there doesn't seem to be any registering of like what he did at the end of the hearing Jesse was
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sentenced to an additional 36 years for attempting to kill officer kamacho and for threatening
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Amy that sentence will start him all the way back over again as if he had just walked back in through the prison gates
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at that time it's likely that he will be either extremely old or dead in addition to the sentencing Amy
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was offered the option of placing a restraining order on Jesse and I said to them what does a restraining order do I
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mean if he wants to kill me he's going to hire a hitman and have me killed anyway and they said no it immediately
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criminalizes anytime he reaches out to you it immediately criminalizes anytime someone someone else reaches out to you
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from him and so I said oh absolutely give it to [Music] me Jesse Winnick is the worst to the
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worst and I can't imagine him ever changing [Music] I'm just so glad that it looks like he
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is going to be in prison now for the rest of his life I hope that Amy and her family can get some peace
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now despite being locked away for the rest of his life Jesse Winnick still brings Terror to those whose lives he
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affected until he's paroled for my mom's murder I still have to see him every 2
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years I now know I am the target of that hatred that he had for Mom at one [Music]
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point so my sense of danger is much greater right now 17 years later than it was 4 years
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in Amy now has two children of her own and has tried her best to move on with her
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life I never will forgive him for what he's done I also don't Harbor hatred
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towards him I'm just angry I'm disappointed and I want to change the way systems receive victims she has
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flourished into a really amazing person she's dedicated her life to educating
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people talking to people about their trauma I don't ever want my children to
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be victimized I want to protect them I see two very independent strong children developing from that and I love it
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they're like the best human ever and my mom would just devour them with love I love my mother I loved getting to
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know her and I almost miss the things I didn't have that I miss seeing mom as a
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grandma I miss hearing her voice I haven't heard it for 17 years what a joyous person she
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was and I miss my mom so much but I especially miss this smile like you can see in this
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picture in this picture I I can I can almost hear her I can almost hear her happiness
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