00:00:05
[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] happy happy happy turkey day you
00:00:26
bastards happy turkey day to you my friend thank you for not including me with the
00:00:33
bastards well I mean the bastards know who they are I thought I was lumped into that and then you then you you welcomed
00:00:40
me as well well then a Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends as well but the bastards you know who you are I
00:00:45
bought a new Christmas tree yesterday what's that have to do with turkey day are you skipping Thanksgiving
00:00:52
no no I would never dare do that Thanksgiving is by far my favorite holiday of them all it is one of the few
00:01:00
holidays that features football it's one of my favorite days of football you get
00:01:05
three good NFL games and they don't overlap so you get to watch all three well didn't they do some college games
00:01:12
last year maybe not on Thanksgiving but yeah night before or something I bet you
00:01:18
there's some Black Friday College action going on but I love the pro games on Thanksgiving because often I watch a lot
00:01:25
of pro football with other people you know like at bars or with people that I'm mainly at bars yeah but but people
00:01:32
that I'm he has a problem I'm kind of friends with but the thing I like about Thanksgiving is I get to watch football
00:01:38
games with people that I'm very close to right so that's more fun so yeah new Christmas tree for uh the colonel I've
00:01:47
been rocking the same sad Christmas tree for the last like I don't know 12 years
00:01:52
or something so it's overdue my friend I got a new one too oo it's only about this tall though all right well well
00:02:00
that's bad pod but it's we'll get drunk and compare Christmas trees only about 5
00:02:04
in or so maybe it's no no I think it's a total of 19 in maybe okay I bought one of those uh Charlie Brown Christmas
00:02:11
trees oh yeah nice yeah cuz I'm you know what the hell am I going to hang at Christmas tree for well I told you that
00:02:18
I wanted to uh to do this with you I wanted to go through some of my this is kind of this is kind of an easy way for
00:02:27
Nick to go through some of his email um but something interesting along the way happened um I noticed that and you
00:02:34
probably get this too because a lot of people that will email me copy and you or they address things to both of us MH
00:02:41
and so I noticed that I was getting like a lot of questions regarding just kind of you know random things that we may
00:02:48
have covered on the show at some point or just you know thoughts and opinion type things and I thought well you know
00:02:54
what I'm going to compile a list of these and I'm going to ask the captain for his thought thoughts and insights
00:03:01
into these items but before we get into that just a couple couple quick things here Captain was quick sponsors last
00:03:08
week we featured the Brianna maitlin case MH and we talked quite a bit about the uh the vehicle being towed and you
00:03:17
know should the police or should the sheriff have contacted the owner of the vehicle which would not have been Briana
00:03:24
would have been registered to her mother right um and which would have triggered
00:03:29
oh my daughter is missing yes they probably would have found out any depending on what report you read 2 3 4
00:03:35
days earlier that she was actually missing right and who knows what that would have done for the actual
00:03:40
investigation but I did have a couple people email me um first Tim and uh we also have uh Jacob so these two guys
00:03:49
basically emailed me the same thing stating that they were they found some information online stating that the
00:03:56
protocol for abandoned vehicles in the state of Vermont is that the toe company will send a form to the DMV right I have
00:04:04
30 days to contact correct so there is some form of notifying the owner but as we went into it's it's too damn
00:04:11
difficult to make it the police you know the police job to notify the owner no I'm just saying it would have been nice
00:04:18
but it didn't happen and and also in every Department there's different protocols so there's a lot of times that
00:04:25
things that we think are nob brainers or all that should be you know the cops should be doing that well again we've
00:04:34
talked to plenty of cops and one of the things they probably a big criticism on the show is hey protocol is different in
00:04:42
every department so you know when you're overworked and underst staffed you're not going to go above and beyond
00:04:52
on every case it's just not going to happen the other thing too that I'm getting a lot of email for is the there
00:05:00
might be some movement on the Long Island serial killer case and actually yeah before I started getting these
00:05:05
emails text yeah you and I started talking about this before I received anything so uh the the the gist of that
00:05:12
is that they are pushing to get the 911 call the Shannon Gilbert 911 call released to the public so we would be
00:05:22
able to hear the entirety of the the call and if I remember correctly I don't think we've actually heard much of the
00:05:29
call if any actual parts of the call at all but other people have listened to it
00:05:34
and told said publicly this is what I hear yeah and once that comes out I think we'll just do a whole episode just
00:05:41
on that that call dissecting it what we think it means and and go on from there we've actually covered Long Island
00:05:49
serial killer probably what would you say four maybe five episodes mhm well I mean if you count the stuff that we did
00:05:58
with Joshua Zan on his documentary you know probably five times six times because what was interesting about that
00:06:06
case among a bazillion other things is we covered it in our first season and then it was a pretty ongoing and active
00:06:14
investigation from that point forward so there was times that we naturally uh Revisited that case and you know what's
00:06:21
crazy I thought kind of that that we had done maybe done it too much or really focused in on it too much right I've
00:06:30
received a ton of emails saying hey it's time for another Long Island serial killer episode it's time so we'll put
00:06:38
you know 2019 is upon us and and the captain and I uh in the garage Army are starting to lay out 2019 starting to
00:06:47
look at cases for that year and we can certainly put that on the calendar at some point well like probably will be if
00:06:54
the tapes are released especially yes let's just get those tapes released so we can talk about it um are you
00:07:00
surprised that here we are in November and in October we talked about the jimie Claus case the missing girl are you
00:07:09
surprised that with the amount of national attention this case has received are you surprised that we don't
00:07:15
have a conclusion yet or we haven't found Jamie I mean sort of I mean the fact that the FBI is involved but you
00:07:25
would think that there would be something that come out earlier than than has but
00:07:30
uh it could be a lot more Sinister than than we believe mhm so I think when when
00:07:36
they do know what happened um I think people will be shocked by the details do you think
00:07:43
anything do you think that the police the investigators working the case know a lot more than what they're saying or
00:07:51
that they have a general good idea of what they think went down at the house that night and how it went down no but I
00:07:59
think in every case I mean it would be safe to assume law enforcement is holding a lot of things close to their
00:08:06
chest which case that remains unsolved surprises you more the Missy beavers case or the deli murders because both
00:08:16
cases we have a situation where we have video footage of the perpetrator um I I'm I'm a little
00:08:26
shocked that both of them are not solved more I think for me more so the deli one
00:08:30
because of the we can hear the voice right and I think the difference between the two is the person in the Missy
00:08:39
beavers security footage it's very likely like it's it's so incredibly likely that that's the actual killer but
00:08:47
we've never had anybody tell us straight up yeah but we know right connect the dots I mean but with her case we don't
00:08:57
you know uncertainty as to the gender of the perpetrator and then Deli we we can see the individual's face
00:09:04
we can see the bridge guy's face we can see his clothing some of the stuff's a little difficult to make out but we also
00:09:10
have his voice his words but I think a lot of that is misinformation on the internet I mean you when you arrest
00:09:19
somebody in Colorado it makes it seem like this person is connected it seems like well now the case is solved a lot
00:09:26
of people stop doing what they were doing before and searching I mean we had thousands and thousands of armchair
00:09:32
detectives looking into leads that that caused um law enforcement to arrest over
00:09:39
200 individuals and a lot of those were unregistered sex offenders so there was tons of stuff as far as you want to talk
00:09:48
about new law enforcement the law enforcement came from podcasting and and people listening to the podcast and then
00:09:55
taking things into their own hands and doing research on the internet so I I think when you have misinformation out
00:10:01
there people stop working a case and I you know I I think I mean you could put Jamie Clawson in there as well I mean
00:10:10
those are three cases that I think there should be enough leads and evidence that
00:10:15
they could be solved but those three we kind of remain stagnant on but which one
00:10:21
do you think is more surprising that it's not Sol I think Deli but that's because of the victim's age mhm I mean I
00:10:27
think anytime that there's kids involved there's going to be more of a public outrage if something's not solved it's
00:10:35
interesting that you say that because I have to agree with that thinking in this aspect that you would
00:10:43
think if let's say you know mathematically what we're told is most of the time the the killer knows the
00:10:50
victim the victim knows the killer right and given that aspect of of both of these crimes you would think that the
00:10:59
deli case that because they're younger that maybe their circles are a little smaller and with with Missy beavers
00:11:08
being an adult who traveled who had her own you know business her own friends and all this stuff in a much longer life
00:11:15
well and she's going through a lot of weird stuff with her marriage as well right so her circle's much bigger much
00:11:21
larger harder to sift through those people well I mean I think that's more evidence that these girls in Deli in the
00:11:27
deli murders didn't know their attacker I'm starting to think given the amount of time that has passed I'm starting to
00:11:36
think that this guy is like he does live anywhere around there oh but I mean there's there's a lot of stuff to do
00:11:43
with the the train station and and multiple uh places where truckers could park and then walk so I mean this person
00:11:51
could be in California for all we know the the other difficult thing about the Missy beavers case is I I I don't
00:11:57
believe her husband's a dummy I I believe he has um a bit of sense to that guy and I think
00:12:06
he and so not just law enforcement trying to solve the case but but his brains as well it's pretty surprising
00:12:14
that that one is it I mean and we also have weird you know you have somebody that's dressing up and full and full
00:12:22
SWAT gear so very strange do you prefer well-known cases or lesser known cases for us to cover
00:12:31
lesser known cases I mean one of the things that I was going to talk to you about um you know it just sometimes we
00:12:37
get criticism about covering a case that a lot of other shows have covered but what
00:12:44
I've told everybody you know we try to keep our blinders on we're true crime garage we're not we're not focusing on
00:12:51
other shows we just got to try to do the best we can and when we get suggested a
00:12:56
case time and time again eventually we try to it's it's a way of saying hey thank you
00:13:01
for listening and we're listening to you and we want to create a show that entertains you as as well as informs but
00:13:09
for me lesser known cases one because it it shed some light on them but also unsolved cases for me because you have a
00:13:19
chance to do something good in the world maybe you get somebody talking maybe the
00:13:22
police get a lead because you covered um a case that went cold right and you know what though that's that's
00:13:31
key because I think most of the people get this but like you said we do get some criticism and it's actually a it's
00:13:38
a bit of a bee in my Bonnet man it kind of pisses me off a little bit because we'll get little Birdhouse in your soul
00:13:45
we have you know hey everybody's covered this case or um you know I would prefer
00:13:51
to hear the solved cases cuz there's a conclusion there's an ending and the thing is like you just said we kind of
00:13:59
let the request steer the garage ship well we and we used to not we would get requests and we' just kind of steer our
00:14:09
own ship I mean and then every now and then throw in a request but I think we've been maybe allowing too many
00:14:17
requests if that makes any sense because there's a bunch of Unsolved cases and a
00:14:22
bunch of unknown cases that you know about that maybe it's like yeah we're getting a bunch of people wanted to talk
00:14:29
about Scott Peterson but maybe we should just skip that one and focus on an unsolved case that maybe nobody's
00:14:38
talking about we did kind of put it off I think we did I mean but that put it I mean we put it off on what I mean by
00:14:45
that is put off covering it for that same thought oh yeah too many people have covered this there's you know well
00:14:51
when we started the show I had no interest in that case at all and it was probably the number one case other than
00:14:58
John B Ramsey that was requested to me mhm and it wasn't until I heard a very interesting interview on um the Adam
00:15:08
crawler show and talking to his lawyer that made me go hey I should just look into this a little bit and after
00:15:14
Googling it to me it's one of the most fascinating cases I've ever looked into so I'm glad that we had the time to
00:15:22
cover that but again does that take away from a missing person that maybe we could shine some light on their case or
00:15:28
or murder victim that we could get people talking yeah I think Michael Peterson it's weird that um how we kind
00:15:37
of came up with that together but Michael Peterson for me is probably the one the request that I received the most
00:15:45
yeah I mean that one but but what I'm saying is from the beginning Scott Peterson it wasn't till recently once
00:15:52
they put the staircase with a couple new episodes back onto Netflix once it went
00:15:58
back on to Netflix it was just like a Floodgate open mhm like cover this case cover this case and it which is
00:16:05
interesting cuz we've talked about this before like you just watched a documentary on this like but but people
00:16:12
are interested in what our thoughts or ideas or can we uncover something that people aren't talking about I don't know
00:16:20
if I'm well who gives a [ __ ] um I was going to say I don't know if I should say this but this is off the Record so
00:16:27
who gives a [ __ ] that's the point of the show Aphrodite Jones do you know Aphrodite Jones yeah so she emailed me
00:16:34
like months ago and said hey uh are you guys planning to cover Michael Peterson or the Michael Peterson case or could
00:16:42
you have me on and we'll just talk about it and I thought what's the angle because you know she's she's got a TV
00:16:49
show she puts out books every now and then I would have liked to talk to her fantastic me too I was like I emailed
00:16:54
her back I was I was kind of you know what I mean cuz we've had the opportunity to meet a lot of people
00:16:59
that we wouldn't have otherwise you know other than you know not for not this podcast but rarely sorry James rener am
00:17:09
I like really giddy to reply to somebody like oh cool you know um so I emailed her back very quickly and we traded
00:17:18
several emails back and forth and this was actually before you and I even said that we were going to cover the Michael
00:17:24
Peterson thing so I was trying to figure out if she had an angle you know she was
00:17:29
releasing a new book or if it was on her TV show or or whatever right I couldn't
00:17:34
really find that and and actually her words to me were no I just want to talk about Michael Peterson because she was
00:17:42
pissed off about the new Netflix uh shows that came out she's very convinced that he's guilty as hell
00:17:51
and she was looking for an outlet to go on and kind of that rant right right and
00:17:57
so I really had her on that would have been nice well no we did talk about it but it didn't it just never came through
00:18:04
I think what happened is she Googled us and then she's like I thought they were better looking oh that's probably what
00:18:11
happened that's what her publicist told me is that if we were better looking she
00:18:17
would have came on our show well I don't know about that but um no I'm joking about that uh no sometimes we get
00:18:25
contacted by especially a lot of TV people with ideas or they want to uh they have an idea for a show that they
00:18:33
just want to kind of put past us right and and the funny thing is sometimes you call them and you talk for about 20
00:18:40
minutes and like this is fascinating stuff can you talk to this other guy for me next week and you're like yeah I mean
00:18:46
I can but I don't don't want to spend every night talking about your idea uh but then normally things fizzle out
00:18:54
anyways so do you get a lot of emails about the Kelsey shelling case that's the one with um with she has the baby
00:19:05
daddy Dante and and he's likely well I think I think we outwardly said on our show that
00:19:12
we believe right that he was the last one to see her and his mother was arrested I don't I want to believe that
00:19:19
one of one of them was released uhhuh um yeah we I don't get a lot of emails about it but I remember speculating that
00:19:28
maybe she that Dante's mother was kind of The Mastermind of whatever happened or or kind of pushed the envelope for
00:19:35
something to happen I'm not certain why it's a it's an interesting case of course and of course we want Justice for
00:19:41
Kelsey and and her family um but I don't know why I get email after email about wanting more opinion on on that
00:19:51
case and to cover it again and yeah and maybe we're we weren't BL blatant enough
00:19:57
with the fact that felt he was guilty I mean look he she goes to see this guy doesn't tell anybody really and cell
00:20:08
phone pings all the technology is there that she saw him mhm and then they had a
00:20:14
conversation then he makes up some nonsense story that can't be there's no evidence of the story he claims they
00:20:21
went to a hospital well we got surveillance tape of the hospital and you never showed up so it like that
00:20:29
where his story doesn't line up he's definitely telling lies his you know like you said good possibility the mom's
00:20:36
involved that's the one where the guy I think the the the phrase that somebody tried to make famous from our show was
00:20:43
the the guy comes creeping out from around the back of the Walmart was that case yeah um you know what's weird
00:20:51
though it you said maybe we weren't blatant enough at least two people thought we were blatant enough or or or
00:20:58
or maybe that's that's probably not the right word probably not because I I did get a couple emails that I'm I'm racist
00:21:05
because my opinions on that particular case of course I mean it could only mean that I'm racist if that's what I thought
00:21:12
happened right I got one too about being homophobic well I shouldn't say one I've
00:21:18
several um but so homophobic correct me if I'm wrong that means you're like afraid of of homosexual people right
00:21:29
that doesn't mean you like hate them it means you're like afraid of them well I think it's kind of both I think flying
00:21:34
both but again I mean that's nonsense yeah but what was weird about that was the the case that we we had
00:21:43
covered and I think that I I mean I think they probably worded this in their email but
00:21:50
if they didn't I have to assume that they're emailing about the most recent story right uhuh and that was the um
00:21:59
The Jasper Texas case Jasper Texas right so we covered that we covered this case
00:22:06
where um there was an individual that claimed to have been raped by other men in prison and following that I get right
00:22:14
I get an email stating that I'm homophobic look if I'm afraid of anything it's being raped by other men
00:22:20
in prison right they need to come up with a term for that like a real word for that um I don't maybe that is
00:22:29
homophobic maybe they had that right I don't think so he's afraid of being raped is that a t-shirt that is that a
00:22:34
t-shirt that nobody wants to wear we could make a t-shirt that says he's afraid of being raped in prison
00:22:39
definition of homophobic no well I mean some sometimes people say stuff and it's
00:22:44
just nonsense and and the hardest thing for me is to remember that um you know the they
00:22:53
they're only seeing a percentage of who you are on the show and and so sometimes people think what
00:23:02
what drives me nuts is when somebody goes oh I just heard you say the most misogynistic
00:23:09
thing and then they start they keep listening back to old episodes and then I get a I'm sorry I just heard you say
00:23:16
the most oh the most uh Pro female thing I've ever heard any man say you know you get
00:23:24
that a lot you get that a ton which I think is is interesting because you do kind of come at different things from
00:23:32
different angles and it does kind of present it takes a while to kind of present the whole story of you uh in in
00:23:39
a sense and you're right you do get a lot of apologies later I get some apologies later but I think I think the
00:23:47
the trouble I get into meaning like emails that I don't really agree with right um I think I feel like those are
00:23:55
just like knee-jerk reaction emails like they heard something that I said and I was probably talking way too damn much
00:24:03
and they fire off an email and then like 5 minutes later even you know maybe an hour or two later they don't feel the
00:24:10
same they're not so heated not so passionate about whatever it is that they think my opinion was at that time
00:24:17
usually I just try to you know I try to keep an even u a level head about it and
00:24:23
just email back hey look that not my intention man or you know whomever um that was not not my intention to offend
00:24:31
just simply putting an opinion out there and guess what I'm a human being that means sometimes my opinion is going to
00:24:37
be a dumb one I have dumb opinions sometimes yeah sometimes we're just wrong but the the other thing though too
00:24:43
is when you know sometimes you get this nonsense I got this nonsense the other week where somebody said um can't
00:24:50
believe that you brought up Adam croll's show he's a misogynist right and I said
00:24:55
well first of all I don't agree with everything he says but right the in context of what we were talking about is
00:25:01
why I brought up the show and she's like well I agree with that but you know he is a misogynist they yeah fine great I
00:25:08
don't agree with everything he says but what I I I went deeper with this person well let me be more honest with you you
00:25:14
know he actually said something one time that was recorded and somebody put to music and uh you know a lot of these
00:25:21
motivational videos you know people go why would you watch those those aren't going to change anything well I was at a
00:25:27
a CR Crossroads in my life and and this video came on and Adam Corolla said this
00:25:33
thing and I thought it was very empowering and I would credit that as a part of me
00:25:42
trying to get my life back on track and anytime that it would start getting off track I could think about what he was
00:25:48
saying and and imp you know imply that back to my life that's going pretty deep opening up and then then the person goes
00:25:58
what I think you should give yourself more credit okay maybe I should but what what I'm stating to you is when somebody
00:26:05
is at a very low point and somebody says something that really clicks with them they you know that person I'm forever
00:26:13
grateful that he was open and honest enough to say that thing so I'm not going to go around bashing this guy cuz
00:26:20
I don't agree with everything he believes in so you know you know what this is a good a very perfect time for
00:26:27
me to ask you this question I'm jumping around here because of what you just said but this is a question I got and I
00:26:33
thought it was a fantastic one and it is is there a woman in a case that you covered that stands out in your mind for
00:26:41
going above and beyond in either fighting off an attacker or turning someone in or just otherwise being a
00:26:49
badass and maybe it doesn't have to be one that we covered you know that kind of limits you on an answer there I I
00:26:56
think there's tons I mean you know Mary CH Meyer you know just her life in general if that doesn't
00:27:04
inspire you it should inspire you as a female but it should inspire you as a male as well that would be one example
00:27:11
um anytime there's a case that a female gets attacked and then they turn around and put up a fight now they might
00:27:21
lose that fight but what I've told everybody is if you don't fight the chances of them solving your cas
00:27:28
go down considerably well not only that I mean how many times have we been told I mean face to face not covering cases
00:27:37
or covering cases we've been told by law enforcement individuals if you get in the car of a stranger or if you get in
00:27:44
the vehicle of an attacker or would be attacker you're as good as dead right I mean this Ohio State girl went
00:27:53
missing months back and and we I look I'm not saying that if you get the car I'm not trying to victim blame no no no
00:28:00
no it happens no but but but that's advice right but people need to be aware of what law enforcement is say not two
00:28:09
dumb asses that talk into the microphone but it doesn't matter what we say what we're doing is REI relaying the
00:28:14
information from law enforcement and there's a girl that went missing an Ohio State beautiful young girl he picked up
00:28:21
probably forced to be in a car by gun right after she got off work hardworking girl right by a [ __ ] scumbag and then
00:28:30
but there's evidence at the scene where they found her that she there was probably times that she could have took
00:28:36
off running and again now now the cops are not going to sit there and say well maybe if she would have run she'd still
00:28:42
be alive because they don't want a victim blame either but what they want to tell you is they want to tell
00:28:48
everybody if you get in that situation and you're in an open field and this person has a
00:28:53
gun your your chances are better off if you take off running like in that case she had a couple times that she was able
00:29:01
to run and a lot of these people are not great with a gun well even even well before that would be don't get in the
00:29:09
vehicle well I mean I think I think this victim had a gun straight to her head to
00:29:14
go hey get in your car right and but again not victim blaming but me if if I found my God forbid find myself in that
00:29:24
situation God forbid any of us find ourselves in that situation my my thought is I'm going to make this
00:29:31
[ __ ] shoot me in public rather than go anywhere with them because I think once you um as soon as you take yourself
00:29:41
out of public out of you know right then then your your chances just are getting
00:29:46
very bad very quickly yeah and maybe people would say that's irresponsible but I'd say if you're ever attacked
00:29:52
please fight I some people that came to mind uh for me immediately and like you said that there are so many uh women men
00:30:01
in a lot of the cases that we've covered that there there's these these unsung heroes sometimes in a lot of these cases
00:30:10
and sometimes the hero is the victim ultimately you know who knows when we have a serial killer the last victim or
00:30:20
any number of their victims who knows the eventual murders that were stopped because of those people along the way
00:30:30
who knows you know it's it's really endless but the ones that jumped off the page for me were um remember Gina
00:30:37
frenzel who helped us with the dark past episodes she was the one that took down
00:30:42
helped to take down uh Felix Vil who ultimately ended up being a serial killer and and he wasn't caught for
00:30:48
decades after you know she throws herself in the LI in the Lion's Den right inside of his house oneon-one and
00:30:57
took him down and then um someone that I kind of look I kind of badmouth her a little bit but I spoke highly of her too
00:31:05
and somebody that I'll never forget is Norine gosh um Johnny gosh's mother yeah you know um I don't agree with
00:31:13
everything that she says may have happened along the way but what I have seen out of her is she's like a this
00:31:22
huge victim's Advocate you know if when when people have when their child is missing
00:31:28
she's she's drove to other states other cities other states and spent time with the parents and said look this is some
00:31:36
things you can do to in you know Assist in the investigation here's some things you can do to to try to stay positive
00:31:44
here's some things that you can do to try to keep your head up and not you know these are dark days dark days for
00:31:50
these people and she's offering a little bit of light a little bit of help well and I love when people sit there and say
00:31:58
and then on the opposite they you get one email that says you're a misogynist the next one you say oh you're such a
00:32:03
feminist you know well look I'm I don't like to label myself with [ __ ] because I just think you're an
00:32:10
idiot once you start doing that you know but for that's my point of view but am I
00:32:15
Pro you know women hell yeah I am I'm I'm Pro everything Pro women no there shouldn't be any more after we get rid
00:32:24
of all these Vans we're getting rid of all the women yeah but I think I think the term feminist has has got a bad rap
00:32:30
because it's these people that are taking on these issues and they don't exactly know what they're talking about
00:32:36
and and they're blaming people for nonsense so I think Fe the word feminist sometimes gets a bad rap to me it's just
00:32:44
I I'm for everybody in my mind is equal you know you're either a good person well until you prove that you're a piece
00:32:50
of [ __ ] right you're right so you're either a a human being and you're on one level or you're a flaming piece of [ __ ]
00:32:58
a flaming piece of [ __ ] yeah like Randy M man no no no dude this one of my heroes no I'm saying like that's how he
00:33:05
would say that's how he would say it I don't he wasn't a piece of [ __ ] I don't
00:33:08
think um no evidence of that what about a flying flaming piece of [ __ ] flying flaming piece of [ __ ] because now not
00:33:16
only is like the a flaming piece of [ __ ] is the worst kind of piece POs to be well but a flying flaming piece of [ __ ]
00:33:24
is the most dangerous that's a dangerous yeah if you ever get attacked and you have a flying flaming piece of [ __ ] that
00:33:32
you can throw at a piece of [ __ ] that other piece of [ __ ] will catch on fire
00:33:36
oh if you just happen to have one I just happen to have a flaming you know you might have had a lot of Taco Bell that
00:33:42
week well this this is really gone bad uh the other one that I and I don't know the name and I'm probably going to get
00:33:49
some criticism for this but in the teror grinstead case you had a situation where
00:33:57
um bod dues um confessed to rough roughly about seven people throughout the time of
00:34:10
um from the time that the what he claims happened to the to Tera grinstead what was that to to what
00:34:20
happened to terara grinstead yeah to what happened with Tera grin said to the time that they arrested Ryan
00:34:25
Duke he confessed a lot of people yes sometimes he was drunk but it wasn't until the girl he was
00:34:33
seeing basically said I got to give this info to somebody I have to give this info to somebody and I think on top of
00:34:40
that she was smart enough when the gbi said hey let's wire you let's try to get him right she said that's not going to
00:34:48
work I need to be honest with him and she was honest with them hey I went to them you need to come forward you need
00:34:55
to have this be over with now that's a good one I forgot about her now we don't know what the end result of that is
00:35:03
going to be yeah but at the end of the day it's because and and lot look it's not just
00:35:10
about being strong it's also about being honest and saying hey I have to do the right thing here I care about you but I
00:35:16
have to do the right thing and and I think there I wish there was more people like that and it's it's a [ __ ] shame
00:35:24
that you know some of these podcasters have no problem with throwing innocent people under the bus and talking a bunch
00:35:31
of [ __ ] about them at the end of the day that you know is she lying about a couple things who knows right but let's
00:35:41
let's in all fairness this problem came to her she wasn't the problem so when this problem
00:35:50
was presented to her she stepped up to the plate and she tried to do the right thing and I think she tried to do the
00:35:55
right thing for Terry grinstead so you know I think people should give more credit to people like that and that's
00:36:02
one of the reasons why people don't come forward about [ __ ] it's CU they're like
00:36:06
well I'll be thrown under the bus or maybe they won't believe me and they'll think I'm involved in the murder somehow
00:36:13
so you know I think we need to applaud that but I mean there's I mean there's just
00:36:20
case after case after case where there's examples of people especially women uh it's just
00:36:28
inspiring you know where you go I need to be more like that do you think that it's more what do you think happens more
00:36:36
often people afraid of the the fear of turning someone in that could go in be involved in that or the fear of being
00:36:48
implicated or being thought to be a part of whatever happened I think probably the latter but
00:36:57
I mean I think we have a real problem in this country with truth and honesty you
00:37:02
know there's and I don't want to get into tin hat theories but there's so much nonsense that I've read
00:37:12
about that you can read that something really bad happened or something really like unfair happened that you can't even
00:37:22
in your wildest dreams you can't even believe that it happened but then once you find out that it is is true and you
00:37:29
explain it to anybody the the amount of backlash the amount of people that I cannot even talk
00:37:35
to anymore because when we start talking about some issue to go oh yeah did you hear about
00:37:41
this they either immediately think that I'm talking about a conspiracy which I'm
00:37:46
not I'm talking about something that was actually in like the New York Times but
00:37:51
there's so many weird [ __ ] happening and all this truth that comes out that I just don't think people want
00:37:59
the truth half the time they just want to move past it if if that makes any sense I think you lost me a little bit
00:38:09
on that no what I mean is that there's there's certain things that happen where it's
00:38:13
like um something something um I I just think people don't want to really know the truth about certain
00:38:26
matters and so it's easier for them to dismiss something as being nonsense or dismiss something as you
00:38:36
know I mean look at the uh Kena Jenkins case that's a scenario where looks like all the evidence
00:38:46
points to an accidental death now I believe that the hotel is responsible for that because when the mother of the
00:38:54
the child that died shows up an hour or so within her being missing and says my daughter's in this hotel we need to go
00:39:01
look for her and you don't and then you find her hours later in your freezer I think there's some neglect there but you
00:39:10
know we covered that case and as odd as that case is people just didn't people don't want to believe that
00:39:18
story MH it just doesn't sit well with them well you know when the family does an investigation as well and they
00:39:26
basically say yeah the investigation that we did matches the investigation the police
00:39:32
did how many more times do you want need do you need to hear that for you to believe that that's the
00:39:39
truth that's that would be example of things well we did help stir the pot on that one because we I know at least I
00:39:48
said that I believe her friends quote unquote friends uh had some kind of involvement in what her ultimate demise
00:39:56
ended up being well and there's no doubt that she looked she looked heavily intoxicated or
00:40:04
heavily drugged and but it makes you question stuff man it really starts making you question things when you go
00:40:11
well the the autopsy disc didn't prove that evidence MH but it it makes you question
00:40:17
things when I mean look at the staircase you know Michael Peterson you have blood evidence that
00:40:23
was completely phony so then you Wonder in the Kena Jenkins case yes her family agrees that
00:40:30
it was accidental death and then and then the uh law enforcement thought it was accidental death what if that
00:40:38
toxicology report is just complete [ __ ] you know I mean M we don't know uh but you have to take what they give
00:40:47
you and and then try to come to a conclusion but then what if you found out 5 years later that that toxicology
00:40:53
report was complete [ __ ] and she was uh minutes from dying from from drugs well the but the thing with the
00:41:03
toxicology report doesn't mean that somebody didn't slip or something right you know what I mean like it that's the
00:41:09
whole thing like if if it it's an accidental death I get that I get her you know her family did an investigation
00:41:17
investigation the police did an investigation and I get that it's ultimately ruled an accident but
00:41:24
sometimes accidents happen for a reason and in my opinion here is there there is
00:41:30
some blame specifically in that case to be passed and pushed around and do I think that maybe one individual or a
00:41:39
group of individuals is ultimately uh you know to to blame 100% for her death no right I don't think
00:41:49
that but I think that there is some percentage of of blame to be pushed and passed around specifically specifically
00:41:57
in that case like you know even even the person and here's the thing I'm sure I'm
00:42:03
sure that there's some people that were at that party that night that feel pretty bad maybe all of them do for all
00:42:08
I know because of what ended up happening but at the end of the day there is there was someone there was a
00:42:17
group of people that saw her in that state and chose to do nothing chose to just let her be yeah and that's that's
00:42:26
why I think there're many cases that we do I mean think about it this way man in
00:42:31
that case if the mother would have showed up and there was just some decent [ __ ] human being behind that desk if
00:42:39
a mother came to me and said hey my daughter's missing I think she's in the hotel MH I could sit on my fat ass for a
00:42:45
little bit longer or maybe I could go hey let me try to help find her right and yes is it a big hotel yes but it's
00:42:55
not that big I mean you work Security in a very big building mhm but if if a lady
00:43:01
in panic that was talking with you with she talked to them with respect right they're showing you would have helped
00:43:10
her um there's a difference though because of a couple things and this might fall
00:43:18
into the area of the hotel and what their duties are as well my heart 100% of the time would tell me to help this
00:43:27
individual my mind may not let me help the individual well see that's I mean maybe that's where we differ but I
00:43:39
just couldn't live with myself if somebody asked for my help and I believe that they needed my help and I didn't
00:43:45
take the time to just you know hours later when that girl was found frozen to death mhm I I don't think I could live
00:43:54
with myself and I understand that there's rules and policies no I'm not talking about but I want to be clear
00:44:01
about something because I think I think you you've blurred the lines here and what you've asked me you know you said
00:44:07
you worked at a at a large building if someone came to you and asked you for your help you would have helped them and
00:44:15
what I'm saying is that what that means to me in that question is me at that time of my life in that specific
00:44:23
situation right and what I mean by that is I didn't work at a hotel and I didn't
00:44:29
work in just any old big building I worked in a building where the majority of where you know the people that
00:44:36
occupied that building expected a certain level of privacy and therefore that puts me in a
00:44:43
whole different boat a whole different set of circumstances than the individual that was at the hotel in Chicago the
00:44:51
night that Kena Jenkins made her way into that freezer well right but again you could then if it's just you and a
00:44:58
superior officer running security well if there is a girl that shouldn't be in the building that is a risk to the
00:45:07
people that live there and that's a risk of invasion of privacy to them so I still think you'd go look for her no I
00:45:16
would go look for her you but what I'm what I'm getting at is in this in the and I think we're probably going through
00:45:23
dragging people through this way too much but the way that I took the question was you worked in a building if
00:45:29
some girl some woman came to you and asked you for help to to find the person that's in your building to find someone
00:45:37
that may or may not supposed to be in the building is different than just coming to me and asking me about someone
00:45:42
that lives that's what I meant resides in the building what I meant is if that lady came to you if Kena Jenkins mother
00:45:49
came to you and said my my daughter's here somewhere I've been told that she's somewhere in your building and I think
00:45:55
she's her friends have left if I remember the situation but all I'm saying is that that's you go yeah okay
00:46:02
I'll help you let me help you look for your daughter even at that hour I could have I could have I could have really um
00:46:11
been able to narrow down where that individual was fairly quickly I mean and without even leaving
00:46:18
the desk and I'm not saying that the person behind that desk doesn't think about that decision a million times cuz
00:46:26
sometimes people that are really good people follow protocol follow a policy and they might feel bad about it
00:46:36
I think that's possible so I call of course it's possible so well I'm I'm calling him a
00:46:42
horrible person and and and if they're listening you know you are not the sum of of one bad decision so um I don't
00:46:51
want them to feel worse for me like yelling at them that person's not listening they might they might listen
00:46:58
to anything that that talks about the case cuz they feel so bad no I think that's you know
00:47:05
it's I don't know that's other thing I'm surprised by too is a lot of these cases
00:47:11
where maybe somebody could have helped that didn't help you know there there's been plenty of those as well oh yeah
00:47:20
yeah so many of them and but I think I think the important thing here you know to keep in mind and you and I obviously
00:47:29
do this it's easy for us to do it because we're talking about ourselves but the thing is with True Crime garage
00:47:35
we you and I have never claimed ever to be brilliant individuals to be uh incredibly smart guys all we have ever
00:47:44
claimed to be is to be the sharpest tools in the garage well yeah yeah we're definitely tools um no but it's like and
00:47:54
that's the other thing we were talking about before I mean we learn more and and you'll see
00:48:00
patterns in cases probably more than some people would but that's just because of the amount of cases that we
00:48:06
covered but you know even if we do this show for another 10 15 years I'll never consider myself an expert no and and and
00:48:16
actually I welcome um I love when I get an email and someone points out something in a
00:48:22
case and it's something you know cuz we sit with these cases for or depending on
00:48:27
what's going on in the garage 4 to 7 Days right before we record them so you kind of think you do get to a point
00:48:35
after a while that you're like man I've been in and up and down and all around this thing and then you get an email
00:48:42
like two days after you covered it and you're like [ __ ] how how did I miss that
00:48:47
something so simple or that's a way better Theory than I had yeah and my response to most of the time you know
00:48:55
and I say response I do try to I do try to respond to the polite emails that I receive right if someone's a someone's a
00:49:05
jerk sorry man well you catch more Colonels with with honey that's right we're suckers for for honey but um we're
00:49:15
really into the honey the the response I often send when people and I don't know how great of an
00:49:22
idea or thought that they thought it was before sending it to me but I'm always like man I I wish you would have put
00:49:29
this on the blog because that's what the whole deal with the blog is that's like
00:49:33
that's the place to for people to throw out their ideas yeah don't share the idea with us share it with everybody it
00:49:39
doesn't go very far if you email me your thought or email me and say hey I disagree with you extra crispy Colonel
00:49:46
right you know it goes a much better way if we get it on the blog because then it's a discussion and
00:49:53
it with the exception of somebody that posts something you know like when we have like five or six seven pages of
00:49:59
posts and somebody will post something and you're like yeah uh four other people said that exact same thing
00:50:06
already you got read the blog some of them don't read some of them don't read they just post yeah sometimes people
00:50:11
just need to vent you know yeah rant their Theory that's no problem I'm going to start a hotline where people can call
00:50:19
me after the show the Tony Romo hotline yeah yeah it's kind of like but OB be with the captain MH um but the same idea
00:50:27
and I'll be on a beach maybe in the offseason Tony might need some here's what I want to [ __ ] know okay all
00:50:33
right shoot I know it go ahead you know it I know the answer go ahead okay let's
00:50:39
see if you know the answer Hot Shot sharpest tool in the garage right here so I watch the documentary muscle
00:50:46
shs okay Blown Away blows me away he loves it blows me out of the water love it so much that I actually
00:50:56
tried to find now if one of the buildings were for sale okay it's not it was bought by Dr Dre and Jimmy aen okay
00:51:04
within the next couple weeks what do I get sent a jar of H oh that's the honey the
00:51:11
muscle shs honey from Fame Studios oh no yeah and I cannot figure out who sent me the honey from there no
00:51:20
cards with it I it be well here's the did you reference muscle muscle shs on the show before did receiving the honey
00:51:28
I don't know you didn't order it did you I didn't order and then black out and forget no I I wouldn't ever but here's
00:51:36
the thing if somebody works there somebody lives around there whoever sent me the honey I will drive down and hang
00:51:45
out with you in muscle sh studi if I can figure out who gave me the damn honey you ever put honey on
00:51:51
biscuits I Don't Like Biscuits but if you give me some honey on a biscuit I will eat the biscuit well maybe just
00:51:59
like the honey do you ever put some honey on the biscuit you ever put some of that honey on a hot
00:52:10
doggy I like when the you have the biscuit with the butter a little honey and then you know like a blackberry jam
00:52:18
or strawberry jam I like this is I like uh Cherry preserves from like different parts of of uh Michigan cuz you know
00:52:27
they have like different cherries up there than what we have here all right this is just getting way out of hand
00:52:34
we've had too much uh we've had too much turkey gravy we've had too much to drink
00:52:38
and not enough to eat apparently let's just do this um well out question I got two question
00:52:45
I got two questions for you okay what is your favorite um let the records show that I was unable to answer the honey
00:52:52
question that I guaranteed didn't answer yeah I guaranteed an answer all right but please write me if you if you sent
00:52:59
me the honey from Fame Studios okay here's I got you're going to get a bunch of jerks that are like it was me that
00:53:07
sent you the honey I love you Captain you're so much cooler than the extra crispy Colonel yeah that homophobic
00:53:15
Colonel uh yeah that that's the other nonsense too I mean side note when well somebody will say uh and I've had people
00:53:24
say oh yeah the colonel sounded very homophobic I maybe I do I don't know that's not my intention yeah well they
00:53:34
say the Colonel's homophobic or if they say the captain's homophobic I go we covered this case about Joey Leb which
00:53:42
Nick was the one that said hey this case come out we we need to cover this yeah and this is all centered around
00:53:49
heartbreaking case yeah it's sent around um a homosexual male and and we thought
00:53:56
it was very important to cover this case to try to get some information so we could try to get this solv get people
00:54:03
talking about this and this also centered around an area of a town that both Nick hang out Nick wow Jesus I
00:54:12
drank way too much but Nick has hung out in this area of town I've hung out in it
00:54:17
a lot and then there's a bar called the union bar which for a while I think it was
00:54:23
known as a gay bar and now I think it's more were just known as gay friendly the probably the number one bar
00:54:30
that I went to last year was the union but that's because several of my friends are lesbians or and you know well
00:54:41
you're sorry sorry well now you you now you've gone too far now I sound homop homophobic because I said sorry I
00:54:49
followed that up with a sorry yeah no but the thing is it's like so I should have followed up with the you're a w
00:54:54
you're welcome right but we can't sit there and detail and say okay we're talking about this bar Union and by the
00:54:59
way the captain's been to it 5 million times I mean I don't care if it's a gay bar or straight bar what what I like
00:55:07
what I like about is they encourage dancing and they don't they don't care and they don't care what level of skill
00:55:16
you have so if you're at a one they actually you'll get shots bought you for you just because you're you're giving it
00:55:25
a go making a good attempt giving showing some effort okay here's my two questions for
00:55:31
you Colonel okay Thanksgiving what is your favorite drink doesn't have to be beer but what's your
00:55:41
favorite turkey day or around this time of year drink what's your goto oh around this time of year or
00:55:51
turkey day cuz that's two different things either one I mean most days okay so like if I'm drinking the
00:55:59
majority of the time I drink beer um and it varies you know what kind of beer that I'm drinking
00:56:05
but this time of year because it gets cold in Ohio I tend to drink higher alcohol beers or thicker heavier beers
00:56:14
um I don't know why I just like those better you know when it's 90° I like a I like a crisp lighter beer right refh
00:56:22
something that has a little bit yeah a little refreshing to it now specific Al Thanksgiving day I have a whole
00:56:29
different operation that I do and it's taken me years to find out what the perfect mix is
00:56:37
so I will typically start Thanksgiving um wherever the festivities are whatever time they start I prefer an earlier
00:56:46
Thanksgiving Day celebration opposed to an evening some people were like thanksgiving's dinner I'm like well it
00:56:52
didn't have to be man I'm off work we can start when ever her so usually I'll bring a bottle of red wine I like I like
00:57:01
a couple glasses of red wine to start off the day mhm for Thanksgiving I like a couple bottles of wine to start off
00:57:07
the day well it's a bit of a marathon between the food and the drinking and the hanging out for me on Thanksgiving I
00:57:14
like I like my Thanksgiving Day to last from about 11:00 a.m. to about 11:00 p.m. and I'm going to try to eat drink
00:57:21
and be merry the whole whole time sounds good okay so then what are you most thankful for this
00:57:30
Thanksgiving o um cranberry wow [ __ ] you put me on the spot here you know obviously the first thing that that
00:57:38
jumps to mind would be our listeners the True Crime garage Army you know that's that's what jumps to my mind
00:57:46
immediately um but you know what I what for some reason this has been bouncing around in my mind for like the past
00:57:53
couple weeks I've also thought about all the friends that that you and I have made and acquaintances that you and I
00:58:00
have made along the way since we started this thing yeah back in my hot garage 90° with not good equipment sweating
00:58:09
sweating and my nipples would Sweat Nobody listening to the show and it's been really it's been really interesting
00:58:18
to me all the people we have met along the way I mean [ __ ] I just told you a story today of getting an email from
00:58:24
Aphrodite Jones yeah uh um now I guarantee you she probably doesn't remember emailing me unless she listens
00:58:31
to the Show often who knows she was probably drunk fairness to her but you know we've
00:58:35
met many people in and not so much you know she's celebrity not so much celebrity right what I mean is people
00:58:45
involved in the cases that we've discussed right and so this can be victim's families we've had suspects
00:58:54
we've had suspects fam we've had all kinds of people along the way uh some of them very mean and angry
00:59:03
and others very appreciative for us covering their case and the the tricky thing I think for us is that that I
00:59:11
don't think a lot of people get is the first time that you're contacted by a victim's
00:59:18
family it's it's an Awakening it really truly is because then makes you it makes
00:59:23
you realize it's real it makes you realize it's real and not not the case you knew the case was real but it it
00:59:31
makes almost the show feel real like oh my God right right thank this is so real
00:59:35
that they heard us that they can hear us thank you for clearing that up because that's exactly what I meant because in
00:59:42
the garage when we do the show it's just me and you man it's me and you it's a computer screen it's a keyboard it's a
00:59:48
few different things here but yeah I know I I'm here no I know that but but what I mean by that is that we're in
00:59:54
we're in the studio recording 2 days a week and for many hours each day and sometimes it does
01:00:02
start to feel like for a couple of hours at least you and I might be the only people on the planet right and when you
01:00:08
get an email or a phone call from from a victim's family member father mother brother Uncle you name it we've had it
01:00:17
cousin brother sister hband we've had it all and when you hear from them then from that day forward it's always in the
01:00:26
back of your mind what I'm going to say on this show is going to directly affect someone out
01:00:34
there it could break their heart it could piss them off it could it could make them feel better and all we can do
01:00:43
is tell the story all we can do is collect the information and throw it out there and sometimes yeah we put our our
01:00:50
heart on it we put our our our spin our heartfelt spin on things from from time to time but sometimes we also have to be
01:00:57
brutally honest and it might not be what somebody wants to hear and it's also not
01:01:02
always the information that we feel like we signed up to deliver in the beginning right right
01:01:10
well sometimes there's theories out there where we feel that's important to throw those theories out there if
01:01:16
anybody's looking into the case it gives them a direction to go to even if we think that theory is nonsense cuz we've
01:01:23
seen time and time again with cases the the the that didn't make a lot of sense the first year of investigating started
01:01:29
making more sense the 10th year of the investigation so we do try to throw out all sides that we hear about well to sum
01:01:39
up that answer for you Captain I'm thankful for you I'm thankful for the garage the listeners and all the uh
01:01:45
hardworking people out there that we've met over the short time that we've been doing this and I can't wait to see what
01:01:52
happens next year and the year after and so on and so forth I'm very thankful for
01:01:58
uh my new co-host that starts next week he'll be replacing you okay I'm just joke uh
01:02:05
no yeah am I thankful for True Crime garage listeners yes I am I am but let's let's get in
01:02:14
close but I'm more thankful for the off the Record listeners you my friends are the best everybody have a
01:02:23
happy turkey day and if you sent the honey come forward come forward if if you st forward you son of a [ __ ] and
01:02:33
and and prove it because now we're going to have like a dozen people that say they sent the honey this is going to be
01:02:38
like Cinderella's glass slipper that's I got that right right yeah she had the glass slipper okay well we need you to
01:02:44
prove that you were the one that sent the honey don't be scared don't be scared don't be scared come forward
01:02:50
[Music] he [Applause]