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all right we continue on to look into the untimely deaths of Barry and his wife honey Sherman who were killed or
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possible murder suicide inside their home in Toronto Canada just late last year so this is a recent case and we
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know with these captain that a lot of times they have to solve them before you're going to get a lot of information
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yeah it's frustrating this one has been a very interesting case to look into because of the possibilities here seem
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endless really when you look at this because we're talking about a very successful man who
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and as we know you know success does not come without its hurdles along the way there's a good chance that this man had
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to step on a lot of step on a lot of toes to get to where he was in life and we all know that can
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aggravate and anger people creating enemies along the way on your road to success it was company was involved in a
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bunch of lawsuits and he almost seemed to be proud of that in some of the interviews that I saw with him he'd go
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and all these papers in my office these are lawsuits isn't that awesome well and
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one thing that you and I had a brilliant discussion on on Friday about was one key factor in this this investigation
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that came out several weeks into the investigation was the thought of the lock box and what we mean by that is
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that when a home is listed when it's for sale that Realtors were often use a lock
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box to give them access to the home and when we have a scenario here where we reportedly I'm sorry repeatedly have
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police on record say stating that there was no forced entry into the home well then one has to speculate could this
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lock box have been involved could this be the reason and for those of you not familiar
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usually the way that this system works is that there is some kind of lock box that is positioned around the front door
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or on the front door and the realtor can use a code to open up this box and inside there is a key which allows you
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into the home now captain and I know several different realtors and we've spoken to a few of
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them over the course of this last week and it appears to me that these lock boxes are not all identical they don't
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all work the same way some of them have temporary codes I've also seen some online chitter chatter that some people
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speculated that some of them might share a code and we've come across this in other
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scenarios on this show when we talk about safes and getting into locations and keypads and things of that nature
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well it seems to me that there is some kind of system where the real estate agent has to
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contact somebody to get the code so that would be on record there's also lock boxes that they can hold their phone up
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and by using an app they can get into the lock box again that would be something on record does
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the app tell the lockbox that they are in close proximity to the lock box or is it how do you know how that works well
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I've seen my I'm looking for a home now so I can I've seen my realtor hold their
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phone up to the lock box and something happens and or or or they're set a number through the app or but again
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there's ways to track all of this so I think one if somebody used this as a way to enter the house
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um there would have been some kind of communication on how to get that number now I'm going to put something out there
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that maybe people will think oh well here comes Captain conspiracy Captain what yeah Captain conspiracy Captain potato
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chips on his throat um that with the dark web that somebody would be able to get this information
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probably pretty easily to have some kind of code to unlock the Box um I actually don't think they use this
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I think what we're talking about at the end of the last episode I think if they were met by perpetrators outside the
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house outside the garage that's probably the easiest way to gain access and I agree with you and like I said we had
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this brilliant conversation on Friday and then we get into yesterday's show and we're both kind of more of the
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mindset that honey was likely approached or attacked outside of the home and then
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once they had her they had access to the home before moving on though I do want to point out a couple things and you
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said a list you know that they would have that information and that's where we got this information was that we have
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the police and investigators coming out and stating look we have a list of anyone who gained entry to the home in
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North Toronto which was for sale via the lock box that was their exact statement
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I found that I found that statement interesting because I wanted to know further does that mean okay this is the
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list of people that have access to the lock box and these are the only people that have access to the lock box or is
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this a list that states these are the people that have used the lock box so far and on what days and what times and
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who was all in the party that was looking at the home how detailed was that information was something that I
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found to be interesting well maybe I'm wrong to assume but I'm assuming that law enforcement went down this list they
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uh questioned all these individuals and they probably all checked out one thing too Captain I was a little shocked and
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I'm making an assumption here but I was a little shocked giving the families wealth and giving given the value of the
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home I would have from somebody with a security background I was expecting that there would be electric door locks on
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this house whether it be magnets or or electric that these doors would all automatically lock behind you
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um that you would use either a keypad or a key card to enter the home rather than
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a traditional key which could be the case we don't know but it seems to be like there's a thought that there's a
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lock box somewhere that's able to gain access to the home now one thing I do want to point out for while we're on the
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topic of of security and one thing that I used to tell people that I worked for in the past was when you're using these
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keypads and some of you you know we're not all on this level but some of us you know of of the level of having these big
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expensive homes with these great security precautions and measures going on but a lot of us out there have
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keypads to our our garage doors and one thing that I used to have to remind people that would that had access to
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those properties when using keypads often I would see people you know you kind of stand out and you punch in your
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code and you nonchalantly walk in well it doesn't take an Einstein to be standing behind you down the street
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watching you from a window above to see you type in that code and gain access to
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that door so one thing I used to have to remind people was Shield yourself a bit
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when you're punching in your code just like you would at an ATM machine protect yourself when you're going in and out of
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your garage door the other thing too wipe those keypads down often if you if you don't clean them and you're only
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using one specific code a lot of times you can open up that keypad the cover to the keypad and see which four or five
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buttons are being pushed um so those are some some good tips for you for everybody out there one thing we
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need to move on to though Captain is the lawsuit now we didn't get into the lawsuit so much yesterday but what we
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did Cover and I don't know that we're going to have enough time to get into the tiny little details of this lawsuit
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because maybe the broad Strokes it's vast um but what we're going to do is kind of
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I think that this is a big thing here this was certainly a big thing in Sherman's life now we have to determine
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was it a factor in his demise so Barry Sherman was involved it's no secret in a great deal of litigation
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um a lot of these cases were of great importance most of them to his company now one case in particular was more on a
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personal level and that was his family some members of his family had sued him because they felt that they had a
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rightful claim to a portion of his company who are these people these are the winters
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remember Barry gained he was able to take over the company uh his uncle's company after his uncle
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passed away and then he turned it into his own company well his uncle's children were very
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young at the time that he had passed away I actually believe the oldest might have only been seven or eight years old
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so they become orphans four of them yeah and so the thought the general thought is this that because they were so young
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and because Barry took over the company they weren't able to have have that same
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privilege that would be their inheritance that they that have the opportunity to purchase the did they
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sure yeah that they should deserve and therefore their cousin Barry had a fiduciary duty to these children
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basically he owed them something is what their lawsuit would State when when to put it plain and simple he owes us
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something for this great success that he wouldn't have had he only had it because
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of because of our father right this case was not it was not a short case this thing was in trial I don't know if
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trial's the right word but in litigation for what like a decade yeah 10 years so
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we got uh the lawyers must have loved that right that's of course you make a whole career out of this one case
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in September just a couple months before Barry was uh before he passed away the judge basically says look there's no
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case here this is wishful thinking on the part of the four winter children right who are now obviously adults
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um this is wishful thinking on their part this guy has made his own success and he owes you nothing now
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to make it worse uh you've held this guy up in court for all these years you now owe him three
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hundred thousand dollars and I believe that was to cover some of his legal expenses throughout the course of this
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figuring this whole thing out yes and then also at some point Barry was giving money to these cousins to help them try
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to start their own companies and during this uh litigation as well those became not just Gifts of money but
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loans and so those were expected to be paid back as well yeah and those were millions of dollars
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yeah and that's one thing that I find I find a little weird do you feel like if they felt like they deserved
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something it was almost like they were getting something because of his success I've seen it reported that they were
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receiving monthly stipends as high as fifteen thousand dollars each from Barry Sherman
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and they were getting homes purchased for them they would get businesses started up and I mean who needs a
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business started up when you're getting fifteen thousand dollars a month well I believe all four of these individuals
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all four of his uh would be his cousins right right uh all four of his cousin had cousins had issues with alcohol and
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drugs so and I also just think that that people do money makes people even greedier just to cover our own butts
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here though Captain I've only seen it reported that two of them had had those issues so just so we cover our own butts
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here um but those two widely reported okay so the reason why we bring this up is you
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can't look into this case without thinking that this could possibly have something to do with it and regarding
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the money that they were receiving from Barry before the way that that worked was they were receiving gifts monthly
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stipends houses loans All That Jazz and until they said all right now Barry you owe us something we're coming after you
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now exactly what the captain said he's saying these gifts that I gave you in the past
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you now owe me for some of these gifts and furthermore the family the cousins are saying look court system he used
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this to try to control us he used this system that he created that he could change and manipulate whenever he wanted
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to as a way of keeping us quiet as a way of controlling us so he could maintain the company and us not go after him so
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it's it's Tit for Tat it's it's him going after them them going after him it was a long nasty bit to sort of let's be
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pretty clear about this so Barry gets the company and let's just call that company Empire right so he gets Empire
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and basically what this agreement stated and this is what I this is where it's kind of confusing to me
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is that at some point that they would be each one of them would be able to get five percent of the companies
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um wealth now the way I viewed that is that they'd have the opportunity to buy into the five percent
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that's how I view it now I could be wrong so they have the opportunity to get five
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percent each that would be twenty percent so then they kind of basically went okay how much is Barry worth and
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we're entitled to 20 of that the problem is is that at some point uh Empire was sold off or
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they just did away with and they started his next company which has nothing to do
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with Empire right so now you have this company that does not exist and there's no actual value and and look some people
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think you know Barry was a you know piece of [ __ ] because he's trying to keep his family or these cousins you
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know from getting what is rightfully theirs right but I but also this is just a smart business move if you have a
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business that is worth something and you know that there is fine print writing that these individuals that you have
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lost contact with are entitled to 20 of the business and then these individuals come back into play well they can get
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rid of that business start your own business now you don't owe them anything and that's basically what the judge said
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right right they're they're coming after Barry because they believe because he got Empire which is a he created his new
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company which is B A plus b equals c which was his success in wealth and they wanted a chunk of C in the in the court
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system is basically saying well you had nothing to do with B so you don't get a chunk of C right and also Barry was able
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to prove that if Barry wasn't in charge of company a that it would never made any money at some point actually was
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scheduled to go bankrupt so then you'd get you know oh yeah you want to get 20 of a bankrupt company they
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pursue this lawsuit for a decade for what what is 20 of a five or six billion dollar company that's a whole lot of
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Rolling Papers if you get that twenty percent and then after a decade they're told by
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a judge you got no case here and furthermore you're gonna have to give this dude that you went after three
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hundred thousand dollars to make up for his time is this a motive for murder yes
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yeah we've seen and discussed people being killed for a whole lot less than this I've smacked a man for a double
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cheeseburger now obviously don't anybody go falling off of their Lazy Boy recliner to email me and say well just
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because Barry ends up dead doesn't mean they get the 20 we understand that we're
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talking about people that could be very angry at feeling like they were cheated out of a lifetime's worth of wealth no
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bear let's get this pretty clear Barry dies honey dies nobody's getting any extra money they're not getting anything
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but like you said it this would be um we didn't get what we thought were due so now we're going to murder you now
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and this is also coming now there's out of the four cousins there's only one that's really talking yeah and let's
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focus in on him this is Carrie winter now Carrie winter has said some weird stuff about Barry he claims that at some
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point Barry said to him hey you know some people take care of my wife I want her dead
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right now he made these allegations to The Fifth Estate The Fifth Estate he was willing to take a polygraph he
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took the polygraph and he failed now all they did was that all they asked him during this polygraph test was about
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this allegation that Barry wanted Honey dead and so he so he fails the lie detector
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then they wanted him to take a lie detector to see if he's responsible for the murder of Barry and honey and then
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he refuses now now mind you his lawyers saying he just failed one polygraph test but we're
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not going to have you take another one well and this comes about because he publicly says you know this is a
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Canadian case can you say about route right no okay um I'm in Ohio uh this comes a bit you can listen to a
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true crime show from Canada if you want um Ohio brother anyway the nighttime podcast here's the thing this comes
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about because because Carrie says that look I believe this was a murder suicide I believe that Barry wanted his wife
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dead and here's why because on at least two occasions this guy has asked me to put some scenario together where I have
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his wife killed for him and when when you attack him and go okay well this seems a little fishy could you give
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us some more information and he goes well I I remember these conversations happened at Barry's place of work
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I remember that they happened sometime in the 90s I didn't tell my relatives about it at
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the time but I did some maybe tell them sometime before the couple died I did tell a friend or
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two at the time that he asked me to do this which which they confirm that those friends
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do remember those conversations the other problem with this individual though is he was he was a drug addict
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well not only that heroin a bunch of different things yeah he was in a Cocaine Anonymous program a 12-step
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program now he he also the the bigger problem though is that he has said publicly that he he suspects one a lot
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of people would have wanted to see Barry dead including himself that he said he had fantasized and spoke
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to um psychiatrists about having fantasies of killing Barry that he wanted to decapitate him and roll his head down a
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parking lot or down a driveway or something like that so here we have this very strange I can the only one the only way
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I can describe this dude is as strange this guy is a he's a see you next Wednesday I look at him he makes no
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sense to me what he makes no sense to me I don't know that he knows what's going
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on or what words are coming out of his mouth because I actually find him somewhat intelligent he during his
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interviews I mean I think he's a is a liar but I I think he there's definitely a brain in that head
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yeah a sloshy brain is in that head he he seems to me I don't understand why this while this investigation is going
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on that you come out and say look I fantasized about killing this dude and he hated he hated honey as well and
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they just never questioned him from the beginning and he he fully admits on camera no alibi and also well no no no
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no he he no he does he gives an alibi he says okay look when taken when when he was asked to go through the possible
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days of the 13th and the 14th which is believed that they were killed on one of those two days this is as much of an
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alibi as he provides he states that um he attended a 12-step program on the 13th claiming that he's been clean and
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sober for six years now he said that after the 12-step program he went home and watched an episode of peaky blinders
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on Netflix and he went to bed he said he most likely spoke to his girlfriend long
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distance calling her from his home on that night the next day on Thursday he says he got up at 6 15 a.m showered
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shaved and went off to his job he's a construction supervisor for six custom homes that are being built north of the
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city he claims that on that day while he is at work he could quote absolutely I could not go AWOL all because we are in
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regular contact through text email or sometimes phone calls there's no way between six in the morning on Thursday
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and six in the evening on Thursday I I've got a full Alibi with many different trades seeing me in and out of
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houses yeah but the problem here is Carrie is a weirdo and he told this to the Sun newspaper
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the Toronto Sun that's a direct what I read was a direct quote from him to the Toronto Sun yes now let's play some
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clips of him talking to The Fifth Estate and the first part of this clip just so
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everybody knows what's going on remember he had said that Barry had asked him twice to kill his wife
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and what you're going to hear at the start of this clip is Carrie's changing his story because he's
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been hooked up to the polygraph the polygraph shows deception on Carrie's part when asked how many times were you
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asked to kill Barry's wife honey how many you know were you in fact asked to kill honey and you hear him changing his
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song and dance after that polygraph but I still believe it I don't know why in my head I believe he asked me twice
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but is it possible you didn't ask me a second time yeah what percentage do you feel that you only asked you once what
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would be the percentage pretty high like how close to 100 yeah yeah he only asked me once
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there would have been not months or weeks it would have been within a few days okay he called it off within a few
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days right as opposed to months and weeks yeah what would you say one second time okay I mentioned the second time
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which is false right yes that's the only explanation I have that I could have embellished and said two
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times in that she was getting close to being done and she was 20 hours away and that could have been an embellishment
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because I honestly think there was this button ID and that she was 20 hours away
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from going this button thing was very [ __ ] right looking back and I don't know if
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that's true or not where I would have dreamed that up though why I would have dreamed it up maybe the direction
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possibly or to make it a more drama-oriented Fiasco okay I'm completely baffled because I didn't
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think this would happen you stay here I'm gonna get there [ __ ] failed man okay unbelievable
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you know I probably had reasons to lash out to uh to do the dirty deed this would be asked of you by anybody
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did you kill honey and Barry Sherman absolutely not I had nothing to do with it I don't know who did it I mean I had
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opportunity I had motive I can see why the police might say this guy's also a [ __ ] nut like I would
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talk about killing Barry and it was very graphic the way I was going to do it wouldn't have been belts it was going to
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be in the Apple text parking lot that was my vision always that he'd come out of the building and appetex and I'd be
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hiding behind a car and I just decapitated I wanted to roll his head down the parking lot and I just sit
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there waiting for the police no alibi Wednesday night I went to my Cocaine Anonymous meeting I came home
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as I usually do watch some Netflix eat some Doritos fall asleep Thursday night same thing went to work he very
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easily for me to have left work anytime because I'm not on the clock I'm a site supervisor I can get in my car I can
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take a three hour break during the day I could easily have driven over the colony and done the deep I admit to that
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but I didn't I didn't and that's why I'm not nervous [Music] all right we're back and that was a
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Kerry winner a real piece of work taking you for a bit of a roller coaster ride here
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captain I don't think we need to spend a whole lot of time on Carrie Winter's character
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I don't know that well I I don't want to say that he's like a horrible despicable
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person um he he has these fantasies of killing Barry Sherman which he's very honest and
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open about however he also feels like he's been extremely wronged by this man so I don't want to try to get in his
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head and play games and figure that thing out but because he's all right he's already in his own head playing
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games what where I have the biggest issue with this individual is he should be on a suspect list
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I I don't know that he's the prime suspect I don't know that I think that he's even capable or sophisticated
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enough to potentially have carried this out however and and to get away with it to this point however what I find very
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strange is I'm giving you a direct quote from an article that was in the Toronto
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Sun you are playing a clip of him saying almost the exact opposite when he is on
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The Fifth Estate both of these situations that both interviews would have occurred six weeks after the deaths
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of the Shermans so where I have a big problem is he also goes on in both of these interviews to say I've not talked
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to the police yet I've not been questioned by detectives yet but however I I didn't do it so therefore I'm not
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worried about talking to detectives that doesn't you know I'm not nervous about that in any way well and that at the end
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of The Fifth Estate they do say that he was contacted by detectives um he's been questioned he is not a
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suspect at this time right but again six weeks right how is he not on police okay we should question
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these 100 people he was not on that first 100 list how hard is it and I and I hate to throw [ __ ] I'm a blue blood
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guy every day every night but but what I have an issue with is I think this is a
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big slip up on Toronto police department on their Police Service I think it's a huge slip up and what I mean by that is
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it does not it takes one interview with one of the Sherman children one of the grown children to say you know what is
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there anybody that would have wanted to see either of your parents dead especially Barry is there any War if
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they would have contacted you know the Sherman's lawyers too and see out of these lawsuits is somebody a
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threat and this this lawsuit it had it was done within September it's not like we're talking about years ago this
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was months before they were killed or before this incident whatever you want to argue whether it's murder suicide or
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whatever right this is a guy that seems to me like it see it's very strange that
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this guy was not contacted and questioned within the first week of this going down or at least being one of the
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first 10 or 20 people that they talked to I think that what happened yeah but I also think you have a situation where
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you have a lot of you know you have a lot of nice houses in this area you have a lot of possibilities for surveillance
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footage and that's going to be very important to get right away where you know if you have uh somebody
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like carry on video camera in the neighborhood on Wednesday night well you know when you talk to them six weeks
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later that's a pretty strong piece of evidence I agree with that but what I'm also getting at is it seems like very
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delayed to me six weeks to talk to this guy who is willing to sit down with people and on camera say I dreamed of
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killing that dude and not only and here's why and the reason why is public knowledge right the reason why is public
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knowledge it wasn't hidden from anybody yeah but again a tough thing you know to
00:32:58
play Devil's Advocate and To Be A Champion uh for the law enforcement is the fact that you know it took them six
00:33:05
weeks to do the forensics of this mansion you know so that's a that's a lot of time spent you know
00:33:14
um at this house this property because it was so large right I I agree but nobody's going to
00:33:20
get me to change my mind that this guy should have been spoken to uh within the first week I understand it's a large
00:33:26
crime scene here's the other problem what I'm getting at Captain is I think that they honed in on this murder
00:33:31
suicide and I think there was probably things at the scene to suggest to them that that might be what they are looking
00:33:39
at right and what I'm getting at is one thing we've been critical of other departments we've been critical of
00:33:45
authors we've been critical of podcasters of ourselves of everyone about this is honing in on one Theory
00:33:52
too early too soon and stick into that and going you know what we're going to work this until it's until this lead is
00:33:59
dead until we can't trace it anymore and then we will start coming up with other
00:34:03
ideas afterward so what are some of these other theories some other possible theories regarding uh the death of the
00:34:11
Sherman so I I want to be clear here it is still up for debate that this was um a murder-suicide there's still people
00:34:20
out there presenting that side of the argument where I have where I take issue with
00:34:25
that and where a lot of other people take issue with that is there has been a lot of information that has come out to
00:34:31
suggest otherwise and some of that being the ligature marks that were believed to
00:34:36
be bindings on the risk of berry and honey Sherman it's believed there is one side of the argument that states that
00:34:44
these people their hands were bound and the bindings were removed after their death and removed from the crime scene
00:34:52
there's also strong argument to suggest that they weren't hanged you know that position that they were found in
00:34:59
where they're they they look to be hanging from the rails by their necks there's there's good evidence out there
00:35:07
to suggest that they were actually strangled before that and then tied up to the rails after death so
00:35:15
we could sit here and debate the murder suicide or double homicide thing all day
00:35:19
long I think that it's it it would be a waste of everyone's time I think that there is enough here
00:35:26
for me to suggest that this is a double homicide all right so let's just assume that it is a double homicide and then
00:35:33
what are the theories the three more popular ones are one that we've already kind of touched on that the family
00:35:40
either the family or someone in the family murdered the Shermans the next theory is an unknown unknown
00:35:49
and what what I why I title at this is because Barry Sherman was a very wealthy man and
00:35:56
by some accounts one of the wealthiest men in Canada and besides his pharmaceutical Empire he
00:36:03
had invested widely in in real estate hedge funds Etc right he had this investment um with
00:36:11
this boat have you heard about this nobody had an interesting beer investment as well we had this boat
00:36:18
called The Great Gatsby oh yeah I heard a little bit about that but the boat never existed yeah yeah so he I mean he
00:36:25
was spreading his money out and these are probably a lot of things that honey didn't even know about
00:36:31
well or or I mean does she care to know you know what I mean she's got her own Endeavors I mean
00:36:38
she's she's on more charitable boards than many charity boards than most people in that area that most people can
00:36:45
name this is a busy this is a busy woman anyway but what what I'm getting at with this
00:36:51
unknown unknown theory is that he had many many business part partners that that spread all across the land so
00:36:59
according to this Theory Barry Sherman may have in one of these side deals have found himself in a partnership with one
00:37:07
or more unsavory characters let's say and so if maybe a project suddenly collapsed perhaps he was to blame or he
00:37:16
was blaming others uh some of these partners and somebody wanted to cutting somebody out of a deal right and
00:37:24
somebody wanted Revenge uh in this situation I actually think that this scenario is entirely plausible
00:37:31
um the problem here for investigators I think that it creates a wide net it creates a huge let's say Minefield of
00:37:40
people to kind of sort through and sort out lots of paperwork lots of business dealings lots of different potential
00:37:46
Partners right and I think that you have to hone in look some people think that that maybe that honey was just you know
00:37:55
the innocent bystander right and and and I really feel like that if they just wanted to kill Barry they
00:38:06
could have done so and just like his cousin is saying hey I was going to kill him right outside his office well I
00:38:13
think that's where most people probably could kill this individ vigil that spent
00:38:17
a lot of time alone at his place of business so to me there there's a connection
00:38:25
there there were both murdered for a reason you see what I mean the other thought would be that somebody
00:38:33
in big Pharma uh took him out um you know and we know that he built a substantial Fortune uh for himself a lot
00:38:41
of this like you had talked about reverse engineering patented drugs and going to Market with cheaper generic
00:38:48
versions of these drugs so the precise number would be unknown but how many people how many companies
00:38:56
did this disrupt over the course of four decades I mean it's almost it's siphoning billions tens of billions of
00:39:05
dollars from other companies from balance sheets from uh you know these affect stock prices they affect people's
00:39:13
jobs executive bonuses bottom lines it's endless right the the tough thing here for me is that the fact that he was kind
00:39:24
of backing away from the business and you'd think that if they wanted to take them out they would also want to you
00:39:30
know if we take him out that it takes down his company too well that's that's possible the the reason why I do like
00:39:38
this big Pharma Theory as well as the last one for similar reasons okay one the motive would be obvious
00:39:47
and the other being that if this was a professional hit if this was a higher deal
00:39:53
clearly they have the financial means to organize such a professional hit and yeah I'm sure there's some people out
00:40:00
there going oh yeah big Pharma so you know put a hit out on this doctor this has been uh there's been a bunch of
00:40:08
doctors that have ended up dead but those are the three main theories uh what are some more of the far-fetched
00:40:15
ones well the far-fetched ones in in my opinion I think you share the same opinion is uh one the mob two Mossad
00:40:24
agents and three the clintons and I mean it's always the clintons if Clinton's are responsible for everything if you go
00:40:32
to state killer Clinton did you want to go down any of those roads I I looked into all three of them very briefly and
00:40:39
very quickly was able to dismiss them I found them to be much less likely than the three that we've already discussed
00:40:46
well I think the Clinton one is it's it's this very far-fetched there was some donations to the Clinton Foundation
00:40:53
there's a bunch of donations with a bunch of Barry Sherman was given money to a lot of different foundations
00:41:01
um so I but that idea that was he lobbying you know for his company and was that a reason why he he ended up
00:41:12
dead that's a possibility that's more likely to me than the Clinton Foundation right right yeah I actually I don't find
00:41:20
any of these three um to be credible at all I think the the place that I found that was pumping the
00:41:28
Mossad agents the most was the National Enquirer and I their claims are that there were fingerprints found at the
00:41:36
scene to suggest that these professionals came in from possibly overseas and committed this hit
00:41:42
and then left um I find it awfully strange that these professional Hitmen would come in
00:41:49
and leave fingerprints at the scene it just makes no it makes no sense it sounds like they forgot their gloves
00:41:54
before they got on the plane to to come over here well it like I said it makes it makes no
00:42:01
sense what I think happened here is exactly what you touched upon earlier I think when you look at the
00:42:10
y plus how equals who I think the Y here is why was Honey Sherman killed because
00:42:18
like you said it would have been the the list of enemies that Barry Sherman had is endless that's why we could sit here
00:42:26
and we could talk about possibilities and theories and speculations on this case for 10 more episodes if you like
00:42:34
you can send us an email truecrimegarage.com if you would like for that to happen the thing here though
00:42:39
Captain is I find it strange that while Barry had all these enemies yet honey is
00:42:46
killed as well she's an unnecessary uh almost Collateral Damage I guess is what I'm saying it's unnecessary to kill
00:42:56
her if he is your enemy and right but some people are just evil evil [ __ ] stains right and they're like well I'll
00:43:04
just kill her too so that is a possibility but I do believe that she the the whatever I think this is a
00:43:12
Revenge killing somehow yeah that's what I'm getting at and and like they've said
00:43:17
and that's what law enforcement said a million times that the type the way they were choked the way they were strangled
00:43:23
this is like up close and personal attack so yeah I I think that she was killed for a reason I think that
00:43:32
somebody wanted Revenge not just on Barry but they wanted revenge on honey as well now does that have to be a
00:43:38
family member no could it be big Pharma yes could it be an unknown unknown yes could it be the family yes I think that
00:43:47
there was a reason why they both were killed and I think that I think that it was actually a very calculated attack
00:43:53
you know we talked about the possibility of bindings being used in the removed well I think what I'm seeing here is
00:44:01
that when the police walk into the scene they think that this is a murder-suicide
00:44:05
because they have no evidence of anybody being in the house or removing anything
00:44:09
from the house right but it's a yeah staged that way there was there was yeah but there's nothing in the home that
00:44:15
they find that doesn't belong there right and there's nothing missing from the home and so that's what makes it
00:44:22
seem so sophisticated that's what I think it is sophisticated yeah I think that what happened was I I think she was
00:44:28
attacked out front to gain access to the home to wait for Barry to arrive they would have known that this might be
00:44:36
typical typical behavior of these two by watching them for any period of time they kill both of them like you said up
00:44:45
close and personal strangled with belts and then hung around those rails now the
00:44:50
question was were they both Barry's belts one of them is confirmed or at least believed to be Barry's belt right
00:44:56
I believe they were both Barry's belts and the reason being is I go back to the fact that I think that nothing was
00:45:02
removed from the crime scene and nothing was left at the crime scene which it adds to the sophistication and I think
00:45:09
that you you they strangled these poor people that were 75 and 70 years old were not able to defend themselves
00:45:17
obviously didn't deserve any of this and then they hang them from the railing there buying time screwing with the
00:45:25
police's investigation maybe staging the scene to give them the impression that this might have been a murder-suicide
00:45:31
buying enough time to get out of Dodge I think I I think the Toronto police department is very capable of solving
00:45:40
this I think that somewhere along the line the the private investigators hired by the family this will be solved and
00:45:46
I'll tell you why the family has enough money to pay private investigators and pay lawyers for many years to come to
00:45:54
unlock the truth somewhere along the line there's a connection to why somebody wanted them both dead there's a
00:46:00
piece of paper there's a dealing somewhere that's going to be discovered and the the private investigators are
00:46:06
not going to be able to work that lead or that angle to the completion of someone's arrest what they will do then
00:46:12
is hand it over to Toronto police and they will get involved and they will find the people that did this and they
00:46:18
will trace it back to whoever hired them to do this I think there are multiple people probably involved in this whole
00:46:25
thing and here's where I have a big problem I I you know me well no this is where I have
00:46:33
a problem with the Toronto police department yeah you're really just harping on them today yeah yeah I'm
00:46:40
going to so if you're listening up there Toronto guys about to school you yeah they already turned it off I'm about to
00:46:46
last time you talked [ __ ] about him I'm about to school you here okay okay because in the beginning when you came
00:46:52
out and you said there's no signs of forced entry uh we are not seeking any suspects at this
00:46:59
time look I get that you you were trying to be professional I get that here's what you should have said what you
00:47:06
should have said is look we don't have any answers for you at this time we have a lot of evidence that
00:47:13
we are sifting through and we will have we will have answers for the media and for the family very soon there will be a
00:47:20
result and a conclusion after we have poured through the evidence and why is that your statement to the
00:47:27
public because look these guys that got away that that took everything with them that they walked in
00:47:33
the house with let them think that they left something at the scene let them squirm let them think that they left
00:47:39
something at the scene let them tear their hair out trying to figure out what they left at the scene and all you have
00:47:45
to say is we have a lot of evidence to sift through and we will have answers for you when you when you say that
00:47:52
there's no signs of fourth century when you say that we are seeking no suspects that to me shows guys showing up and
00:47:59
going we don't really know what we're looking at here we don't want the public to panic so we're going to say uh make
00:48:04
it make them understand that we're not we're not actively seeking anybody right what's the worst case scenario even if
00:48:11
you think that these people were targeted or if you think that it was a murder suicide worst case scenario the
00:48:16
people in the area they stay on high alert for a few days they watch their backs they lock their doors they love
00:48:22
their hug and love their children and wives and keep them safe that's the worst that could happen
00:48:29
the other thing is these criminals could have made mistakes had they believed that they left
00:48:35
something behind they could have made mistakes later after the fact I think that I think that Toronto police blew an
00:48:43
opportunity here to to one I think it would have been advantageous for them to present it that
00:48:51
way to the media and then on top of that guess what somebody somebody on their team I don't
00:48:57
know what level it was somebody somewhere had a cup of coffee with somebody had a beer with somebody sat
00:49:03
down to breakfast with somebody and told them we think we're looking at a murder
00:49:07
suicide because her face was all busted up and his wasn't so you had the time to come you had the
00:49:13
time to leak that and that's not the whole Department's fault that's one individual's fault I guess captain this
00:49:19
is a long-winded version long-winded way of me saying you're a amped up man I don't know exactly who did this and I
00:49:27
I think though that there's going to be a paper trail to to someone that's responsible for this at some point
00:49:33
whether it be the person that hired the hit or the one that performed the hit I think it's likely performed by more than
00:49:40
one person it could even be hired by more than one person I think that somebody in one of those three groups
00:49:46
that we discussed big Pharma the unknown unknown or the family had something to do with it yeah because I I think
00:49:54
sometimes law enforcement is thrown off by when they go well this is a personal way to attack somebody well you can hire
00:50:02
somebody to attack somebody in a personal way I want you to kill them this way I think whoever wanted them
00:50:09
dead wanted them to know why they were dying foreign [Music] this week we got some recommended
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00:50:36
collar bomber case whatever you want to call it out of Erie Pennsylvania strange
00:50:40
story here it won't go too much into the case itself but the four part series is
00:50:44
very well done we were planning to cover this case at some point we had it on our
00:50:50
short list and it was going to be the topic of one of our meetings captain and before we could make it onto the actual
00:50:56
list to be covered I got I saw some information that Netflix was releasing this it came out a
00:51:04
couple weeks afterwards watched it they did such a good job on it I encourage everybody else to watch it out there if
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you still want us to cover it let us know and we'll consider it but I think Netflix did a good job and it's called
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Evil Genius and I won't be watching it yet because I have a hard time watching anything about pizza so until next week
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