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after a night out at the pub we already talked about a couple of communications that came in from fra to her roommate
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and to some family members and a big reminder here before we go through these additional
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Communications remember that the calls were not recorded the police were not heavily involved there is no real
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investigation going on at this point so when we go through these calls these are
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transcripts that have been created based off of memory reconstructed through the memory of the
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person or persons who received the call that were on the call with fra lebs we start off with Sunday the 25th this is
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at 10:28 p.m. fuka called Chris her roommate and friend fuka says coming home today Chris says are you in danger
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fra no Chris says why didn't you come home yesterday froa says can I explain to you I wonder if this is suppos to
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mean can't I explain to you or I cannot explain to you but the notes we have say
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can I explain to you Chris says where are you froa I'll tell you when I'm home Chris
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who is with you froa I'll tell you later this is weird right because not just the
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communication but weird for the person receiving it you got to feel like the roommate who who cares about his friend
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and the family members who care about their loved one when they are getting these phone calls they they they come in
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unannounced they come in they may even catch them off guard but at the same time you have a
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person on the other end the receiving end of the call that's trying to extract as much information as they can from
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froa before the call goes dead or before she hangs up so your natural instinct is
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going to want to be to interrogate her to question her to to to get as much information from her as you can to try
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to help the situation but the other thing the problem with that is with the the the
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quickness of these calls with the short time period that they are on the call together you got to be conflicted
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wondering do I spend my time questioning her to try to get her to open up and give us some information or do I just be
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silent and let her talk that way we do get more information it's a very it's a very sketchy situation a very kind of a
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catch 22 to find oneself in two days after she goes missing her friends and family start getting some communication
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with her saying that she's coming home soon she keeps saying I'm coming home today she doesn't come home on the 26th
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though which is a Monday no communication correct and so the next communication doesn't happen
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until that Tuesday Tuesday the 27th we have Chris he's at the apartment that they share together and also at the
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apartment with him Captain is Karen Karen is fra sister so the two of them are at the apartment together now her
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mother and father were actually there for the majority of this day but had left just a brief time before
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another mysterious phone call comes in Chris's phone rings at 11:24 p.m. the good thing the Saving
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Grace here is while these phone calls are not recorded the timestamps are via his phone his listening
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device Chris picks up the phone he says froa Karen is here too froo replies are Mom and Dad there too
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Chris they're gone already hey I'll just put you on speaker froa says is Karen close to you
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he responds yes she says I'd like to talk to her please Karen jumps on saying hello fola
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how are you froa please don't ask Karen where are you the reply I can't say Karen
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again come home the reply no that won't do Karen says are you scared froo replies no Karen says are
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you tired remember we talked about what Chris had said before that in one of the
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previous at least one of the previous Communications he said that she sounded like she was
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blurry and we wondered if this meant like she sounded sleepy or slurring her words right so her sister ask are you
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tired froa says yeah very tired please tell everyone I love them very much Karen says when are you coming home froa
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I've got to hang up please hand the phone over to Chris Chris says why did you leave froa says you know that Chris
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Chris says are you being held froa and this is what's it's reported as she says this very
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faintly remember Chris says are you being held very faintly she replies yes and then all of a sudden she gets loud
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and goes no no Chris you know that the police are looking for you fra yes I've been away
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for a week Chris says who's with you she replies I can't say Chris says no did you meet another guy to which she
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replies you have to know I haven't been staying away for a week because I met another guy come on you know me our mom
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and dad there too Chris says they were here remember he's already answered this question she circled back to this
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question in the same phone call he says they were here and then she says tell them I love them very much Chris says
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should I pick you up she says no that won't do Chris ask can we meet up somewhere again that won't
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do Chris says where are you and now frus says Mama Chris says where are you fro Mama Chris says Where Are You froa Mama
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Chris says are you afraid to come home the reply is no Chris says something to the effect of will'll clean up your
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apartment um some sources say that that he said that the apartment is vacant remember we're we have to translate this
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from German to English and some words and phrases just don't translate into something that
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makes 100% sense uh so he's saying something to the effect of we'll clean up your apartment
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or your apartment's vacant and nobody will ask you what happened just come home she replies that won't do I'm still
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alive which again is it's very strange because she's talking yes and remember she's already circled back to a question
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that he answered very clearly earlier with the are my parents there no they've already left later again in a
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very short conversation are my parents there no they've already left it's almost like between the blurry and the
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incoherent of her questions and statements you almost wonder if she's drugged yeah or or again I mean if
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somebody's holding a gun to your head or who who knows how they're overseeing these
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calls they're policing your words and you're policing your own words because you don't no you may not there may not
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be a clear line a clear divide of what is right and wrong for you to say right if your life's on the line and she might
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be watching and monitoring the person that's watching and monitoring her so she's it's almost like um some of her
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communication sounds like you know when you call somebody and you're talking to them you talking to them all a sudden
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you hear them typing or you can hear the TV in the background and they just don't
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seem like they're paying attention much that's how some of this communication comes off but I think because she's
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monitoring whoever's monitoring her and she's trying to see if what I just said how is how are they reacting to that and
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I I think the reason why she circles back is this we're coming to the end and she knows it all my sisters here put her
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on I'd like to talk to her hey I love you and I love everybody and tell everybody I love them hey are my parents
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there yet right you know tell them I love them the the mama the repeat of mama is strange it's because we have in
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other conversations repeating of words and you wonder if she was trying to communicate something by doing that and
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that's scary to me too because we've we've covered many a case where we know that someone was crying out for a parent
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specifically their mother on many occasions when they're terrified or death is at their door
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and now this next part Captain I want you to pay attention to and everybody out there
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listener land plump up them earballs uh because listen to the difference in the words now this is
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again we're just the same conversation here right after froa replied with that weird statement of I'm still alive Chris
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says are you with one or more people fro replies please don't ask me I'd like to
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be with you all I'd like to come home that's where your earballs got to perk up and and the the difference there
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that's a huge shift in what she's saying because before everything was I'm coming
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home soon right we now have a shift to I would like to come home yeah it's almost
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like she is talking to her Captor at that point mhm I like to be home with my family or she's giving up I'd like to be
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home with you all or maybe if she was believing her cap earlier that I will let you go at some point you will get to
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go home at some point maybe she doesn't believe that anymore right but like like
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I said that's the thing about these I'm just assuming never kidnapped anybody I'm just assuming that if you did you
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can say whatever you want until it gets that Crossroad and I think obviously the
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longer that she's been held capture the the longer she is not going to believe somebody if he goes hey on on on
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Wednesday I'm going to take you home and that doesn't happen on Thursday I'm going to take you home and that doesn't
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happen at some point you go it's it's not going to happen Chris then ask when will you call again she replies I'm not
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sure Chris says please call every day and then she replies yes I will cow B bye for now so in this call we have the
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sister Karen and roommate Chris listening together and they both said the same thing that frus sounded slurred and they
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both thought that maybe or suspected that maybe she had been drugged for this call well let's face it Chris is an
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ex-boyfriend they've been friends for a long time she moved out there they lived together don't know if
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there's no evidence that they had any romantic relationship sh but she's leaving the bar she makes a
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text message she sends a text message to Chris I'm going to be home she never shows
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up he starts getting this communication at first if you're reading the story or when you start investigating the story
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you go got to look into this guy is this communication actually happening now what we know is earlier a few days
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earlier the brother made contact so that's obviously some evidence that Chris is
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telling us the truth but again even more evidence that Chris is telling us the truth because the sister is there
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correct and I mean unless he's working in tandem with somebody right Chris is not responsible for whatever is
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happening to froa at this point in our timeline now one thing that's really interesting we would learn later okay
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got to be clear later we're going to learn from law enforcement that when they were able to try to figure out the
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location of these communications where they were coming from where her phone was at the time of the the
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communications in the very first text that she sent they determined the location of her phone to be near a town
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called Nim now this is very interesting for many reasons but one in particular is
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after this communication right here that we just went through Captain remember she says Mama three times in a row her
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mother ingred goes to the police and says look my daughter's calling communicating with us we believe that
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she's being held captive we also believe that some of her messages and words to us sentences to us are cryptic and maybe
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she's speaking in code or trying to tell us something trying to get us to read between the lines ingred tells police
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her concern is that reading between the lines of this last phone call when she says Mama three times in a
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row that ingred had once worked at a school in a small town near nahe ingred would later learn this information and
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wonder if this was her daughter trying to tell them saying Mama repeatedly that there's some connection to my mom to
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where I am to where I'm being held I can't tell you where I'm being held because they'll kill me right but here's
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here's a clue here's a little clue now we'll never know for certain but it is certainly
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interesting I still don't understand the hesitation by law enforcement to get involved once you
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have a couple communication that don't add up to the family and friends and we have a missing
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person why isn't there more involvement by law enforcement this call unfortunately will be the last one that
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she will make to her family and think about what's very different about this call compared to the previous
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ones first off there seems to be much more desper ation in my opinion in her word choices compared to earlier
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Communications secondly this call much much more lengthier than the other calls this
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call is about 5 minutes long the other calls some of them were just seconds were just two sentences and
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then a hangup right Ralph Osterman the lead investigator on the case he said a couple of things he said that he
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believes that this call was very likely a cry for help and that fra may have known at the time of the call that she
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would not be talking to her family again remember she says a couple times tell my
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family I love them tell Mom and Dad I love them right I love them very much that's almost a good
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goodbye uh the mama mama mama could have been some kind of code Cry for Help a very different call than the other ones
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and then unfortunately this is the last communication that friends or family receive from the missing from froa out
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of all the calls the content of this call I think is probably more accurate than all the other ones because we don't
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have just one person trying to reiterate what they remember from the call we have
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two individuals exactly and here's an interesting thing to ponder too is that there's no doubt in the family's mind
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that the phone calls were from froa that that it was her on the other line they recognize her voice they know her better
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than anyone else we have no reason to to not believe them as for the text let's face it that I mean the text could
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be from anyone could be from the captor right the family and Chris agree that the first text was definitely from froa
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and I I believe that as well we there's a huge shift uh in in that communication
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to the rest of them that one was very personable so I don't think trying to sus out the
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the what calls and texts came from whom is worth spending a whole lot of time on
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I think all of us can agree the calls wor from froo we don't know what Puppeteer is is orchestrating the words
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of that call or the communication of that call but the text first one definitely from her the other ones all
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up to question but would you disagree or agree that she's being monitored every time there's
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communication I would find it highly unlikely that she wasn't I agree and I I'm with you Captain I feel like the
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there's only one two or three possible reasons that the captor allows her to communicate either it's to buy time keep
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the cops away which seem to work or some kind of fetish some kind of sadistic torture mind F situation or
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three It's a combination of both now the police later they GA so they get involved they gather the cell
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phone data information they're going to be able to paint a picture get a picture of where
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these calls and text messages were coming from at the time that they were placed or sent the first text as we
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mentioned was from the area of nahem in the hawkster district population of about 6,500 people this is 35 km
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Northeast of pbor of where she was last seen of the pbor center the rest of the calls and the texts came from in
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industrial areas in and around pbor itself yeah I think you could dive into these there's a lot of information you
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could dive into about the whereabouts of these locations I think there's evidence
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from her communication to her family and friends that she has been moved at some
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point because she says I was here now I'm now I'm here again we don't know if that's just a ruse to throw people off
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or not and we don't know if there is some device that is moving the location of these calls either
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I I don't know how much that matters in this investigation though well I I think
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what we have here is like you said her indicating that it sounds like she's been moved around according to what
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she's saying and then we have the science to when you cross reference it seems to line up with that so she
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apparently is she the device the phone that's communicating is moving and the the second of the
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communications comes in from 16 km about 10 m away from the area that she went missing interestingly enough it comes in
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about 27 M from Naim which was the location of the first text one thing we have to point
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out here is that that first text that comes in at 12:49 a.m. the first night when she's
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supposedly leaving the pub a little after 11 she says she's leaving on foot but what we do happened here Captain is
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she had to have gotten into a vehicle because that location that location is 35 kilomet
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from the pub that she was previously seen with her friends right she didn't walk 22
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miles in the course of an hour and 50 minutes so basically what you're saying is that First Communication the night
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she went missing was that was a controlled communication I think it could be but what I think is happening
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here is I think that she she's either she's either abducted at this point and is unaware of it or she's in another
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town or she took a ride from someone thinking she would in fact be coming home that night so just to to to flesh
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this out a little bit here so that text comes in 35 km from where her previous location was
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and one thing that we have is law enforcement stating that they think we know she had to have got gotten to a
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vehicle to travel that distance in that amount of time we know she left with her phone
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there's a couple of problematic things to the story here though her phone should have been dead when she left that
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Pub yet she places a text de dead or shortly well she borrowed her friend's battery to continue communicating that
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night before leaving right so she gives her friend her battery back and then leaves and then
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all of a sudden an hour and 50 minutes later she's able to text people because the text comes into Chris so during the
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course of that hour and 50 minutes she travels 35 kilomet or roughly 22 miles and is able to bring life back to her
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cell phone battery this to me indicates that she got into a vehicle with somebody and
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maybe e either borrowed their battery again this was a very common phone in Germany back in 2000 in the early 2000s
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or gets into a vehicle with somebody and and gets access to someone else's phone
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charger and so what would further indicate that she is not stressed out or unaware of what
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may be about to happen is the investigators are saying at this time this time of year
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in this location in Germany it's it's light Twilight is nearly all night long so it's never particularly dark
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dark and he also says because of this being a very busy area a populace area and all the things that are going on all
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the soccer games and all the football games matches that are going on there would have been a lot of people on that
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route that she would have walked home and so he believed that she would have gotten to a vehicle
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would had to have gotten to a vehicle willingly because we don't have there would have been witnesses that would
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have heard screams or witnessed something that would indicate Foul Play I think that the investigator the
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lead investigator Ralph Osterman is probably right based off of kind of the chatty nature the happy
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nature of that text that was sent but it's very bizarre we've covered hundreds of cases now I don't know if we've had a
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case where there's been so much communication once the person went missing with the exception of Larry Jean
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Bell but that communication was quite different right it's not it's not from the victim it's
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from well it's from both victim and the captor but but what was clear in those cases what is what is not clear here in
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those cases it was very obvious it was stated I've been abducted I've this guy's holding me here that's not the
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case now based off of the the science based off of the uh geographical locations of when these text and phone
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calls are coming in what police say is police police believe that she was being held in or
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near pbor this just like she was saying I'm in pbor I'm in pbor I'm in pbor and that the calls and the text to her
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family were uh coming in from those locations but police concluded that she was being
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driven around or or believed that she was being driven around as these calls and texts were active driven around by
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her captor who they believe is very familiar with the area this as simply a diversion as a diversion as a way to
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to you all and cheers to you Colonel cheers captain on October 4th of that same year a hunter found a body this is
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10 m off of a very remote country road if you want to call it that this a remote area near Lion
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now the body was really just bones and tattered clothing that were found lying under or near a tree in a dense forest
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this area is called taten grund which translates to death grounds or or the death grounds it was 20 kilomet away
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from pbor the killer according to law enforcement must have known their way around this area was very familiar with
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this wooded area because it was an obscure Dirt Road 10 kilometers off of an obscure dirt road that led to this
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body recovery site and to get to the dirt road you had to get to these narrow Country Roads
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so it was a bit of a maze to get out to where this location is and the investigators have been very public
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stating that they believed that this site was selected on purpose so that the victim would not be found anytime
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soon this turns out to be fra who had been missing she's been missing now for 4 months and then this body is found
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police do tell us that the killer left no clues at the scene that they the the scene suggests that she was killed
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elsewhere the weather had erased all Footprints and tire tracks The Remains were covered with sticks and
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leaves but there was Zero signs of violence at the scene and on the body itself the bones at this point Captain
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were devoid of flesh but the clothing was very discernable so it was jeans a red shirt and white sneakers these are
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the exact items that fruko was wearing when she was last seen right investigators ruled this a
00:34:40
homicide however to be clear they have no idea what caused the death what the cause of death was and that was then and
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still to this day they do not know the cause of death the skeleton bore no signs of sharp or blunt force trauma no
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stab or gunshot wounds the hyoid bone was intact there was no trace of drugs that was detected in her hair or bones
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but of course some of that could or all that could leave her system by the time uh death occurred that that is possible
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but it's more likely to find um but because of those tests that they did do the hair samples and the
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bone drugs normally uh stay in the system longer in those items law enforcement said that she was killed
00:35:29
within days after her last call that's about as much as they could narrow it down or at least what they're telling
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the public it looks to me with everything we've gone through here captain that the only possibilities I
00:35:43
see here is that haven't been ruled out would be Suffocation or drowning that she was
00:35:51
drowned and they did they specifically did say that they ruled out an accident because there would be they believe that
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there would have been trauma that they would see to the skeletal remains that was not
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present investigators scouring the scene also found a small Silver Cross uh it looked like a necklace pendant and she
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did not own according to friends and family did not own such a cross or necklace some have wondered could it
00:36:20
have been left there by the killer or could it just be an item that was out there by happen stance it's not it's not
00:36:27
indicated on where in relation to the remains this item was found right but if it's found within let's say a 3T radius
00:36:36
I'm guessing it wasn't just happen stance or on the tree that she was under or on her herself or under the sticks or
00:36:44
leaves or debris that was placed on top of her all these things would indicate that somebody left that there
00:36:50
purposely and the other thing of Interest here is what is not found and this is pointed out out by police that
00:36:58
fr's Nokia 6230 phone was not recovered her fossil brand watch wrist watch was not
00:37:07
recovered her black purse not found now what is not highlighted by police and so
00:37:15
we just don't know if it this occurred or not but her undergarments we would assume she was
00:37:23
wearing them they never state that they were not found but they never say that they are found on the remains right and
00:37:29
I think that maybe they're they're leaving that to as some holdback information we already talked about
00:37:37
Ralph Osterman who would end up leading a SE a team of seven detectives this task force if you will
00:37:46
was constructed for the sole purpose of solving this one particular homicide no we are talking about areas of Germany
00:37:55
that are rather low on the crime rate in fact violent crime is very low murders and
00:38:02
homicides very low uh typically the most severe crime that they are investigating is attempted
00:38:12
murder um that that they these these towns and cities may not even experience a single homicide in some of the
00:38:21
calendar gears right now they did look at Chris very hard as you pointed out it helps his case that other people were
00:38:30
present and other people had Communications with froa after she was abducted they also were able to clearly
00:38:38
point out that during large portions of when she was gone he has aliis right he is where he says he was so he is not
00:38:49
considered a suspect in this case then nor now police track down everyone at the pub that night as we mentioned
00:38:57
earlier they ruled all of them out as well uh it's been reported that they spoke to everyone at the pub multiple
00:39:05
times not just once they also looked hard at Neils now I'm telling you I'm a little suspicious of this Neils guy
00:39:12
we'll get to some people that I'm more suspicious of here in a minute but they looked at him he was the guy that fra
00:39:19
was texting with that night they had recently been introduced by Isabella and they had this platonic friendship but
00:39:25
who knows where it might have led Neils his best friend had recently taken his own
00:39:33
life and what we've been told is that froo was helping him through this tough time Neils was frequenting a cemetery
00:39:42
where his friend was buried some of the location information that they get about the calls and
00:39:51
text not all but some do line up to areas that are somewhat near kns and where he lived and where he would
00:39:59
frequent but we should point out that they did interrogate him multiple times they searched his vehicle and eventually
00:40:06
by aliis they were able to rule him out as well well here becomes an issue though
00:40:13
is because I think either she told Neils I'm going to come visit you or she like
00:40:21
we said hey come to this Pub and he's like I can't cuz I have plans with my friend to play pool I'm guessing if
00:40:28
they're they're longtime friends that they both are grieving their friend taking his own life and so she might
00:40:35
have thought oh well you know I'll leave this Pub and I'll head that way I'll surprise him he might not even known
00:40:41
that and that you know between that Pub and uh Neil's location is probably where
00:40:48
she was abducted and so it would make sense that some of these locations would be similar
00:40:54
because where she because of where she was abducted if that makes any sense well the other thing too that's
00:41:00
troubling to me is I keep circling back to the idea of what the lead investigator said that he believes that
00:41:06
she based on the distance from the pub to the first text an hour and 50 minutes later that she would have had to have
00:41:15
received some help in traveling that distance she would have gotten to a vehicle and that on that
00:41:20
route she couldn't have done that Kicking and Screaming because somebody would have witnessed that and they don't
00:41:26
have anybody to tell them that they heard or saw anything like that that night so that first text it seems to be
00:41:33
chummy seems to be happy either she's in the company of someone who will become her
00:41:40
captor and she's unaware of it at that time or that first text that family and Chris and myself all believe did come
00:41:51
from her from froa didn't come from her and somehow her captor was able to extract information from her that made
00:42:00
it seem personable like it did come from her right it's a it's a very puzzling case
00:42:06
it's it's one of the more puzzling cases that I believe that we have covered here
00:42:11
well it's also tough because all these communications these text messages these calls like we've said and like you have
00:42:19
um so astutely made us aware of is these these calls aren't recorded so you can sit there and try to dissect each
00:42:31
communication but we don't even know how accurate those are because I think the level of
00:42:42
seriousness once you know that she's missing and and once you believe that she's possibly
00:42:50
being held captive the the serious level I think actually is a hindrance on you remembering the
00:43:01
details yeah you're you're in an emotional state that you might not be able to provide the best information now
00:43:08
the lead investigator Osterman revealed that the initial investigation focused heavily on five potential suspects now
00:43:16
they due to German law and as you know we we we see this often here in the states as well they were prohibited from
00:43:24
naming those five suspects now no doubt in my mind Neils and Chris were probably two of these we
00:43:32
know that they were looked at heavily and both cleared what we do know is a follow-up statement from investigators
00:43:38
saying that all five of those potential suspects were eventually cleared uh in this case yeah I saw a
00:43:45
report where they interviewed over 900 people yep that's that's a lot of people that that that are connected Ed to her
00:43:56
and her community well 100 of those 900 were internet contacts of hers that were
00:44:03
checked out and there were over 40 properties that were searched uh in this investigation as well now here is
00:44:17
where you know this there's nothing that's black and white about this case right 50 Shades of Gray let's go ahead
00:44:23
and call it 10,000 Shades of Gray in this case but one thing that gets makes it a
00:44:28
little more tricky too is the potential of some really good suspects and and listen to this information here Captain
00:44:37
these two have been dubbed the Lonely Hearts killers and some people believe or believed that this case was solved just
00:44:48
not closed and for a time I believe that police seem to think so as well it's unclear whether they still do or not but
00:44:58
what happened was in April of 2016 a vehicle breaks down on a dirt road this outside of the town of
00:45:06
bosor or bosor sorry doing my best there this is 50 km from pbor in the back seat of this vehicle is
00:45:16
a 41-year-old woman who is in medical in need of medical attention big time or as
00:45:23
we say in the states bigly the car's driver was forced to call the ambulance but only because neighbors came rushing
00:45:30
out to try to help the vehicle that broke down so This Woman's taken to the hospital where she would eventually
00:45:40
recover from her injuries we need to point out these injuries did not occur because the vehicle broke down whatever
00:45:46
happened to this woman happened to her before she was placed in that vehicle what the medical experts determined very
00:45:53
quickly what this woman was actually in a com her name turns out to be Susan she she
00:46:00
would later die in the hospital due to this head injury right during the ambulance trip and at the hospital
00:46:07
doctors and and EMTs noticed that there were wounds to her entire body this included bruising signs of being bound
00:46:15
toenails that had been pulled out and Rotting Flesh on her tailbone area Susan and they've not I could not
00:46:24
find her full name she's referred to as Susan F would have had to have been lying in the same position for weeks to
00:46:32
have that Rotting Flesh in that area an autopsy showed that she had actually died from blows to the head doctors
00:46:39
called the police to report this as a homicide police went to the home of the vehicle that broke down so there was a
00:46:47
driver and a passenger and this injured woman in the vehicle that broke down they go to the home the driver and
00:46:54
passenger are there their names are Wilfred Wagner age 46 and his ex-wife current
00:47:02
roommate Angelica who's 47 right they were arrested and charge with abusing the woman who later died now the man
00:47:11
Wilfried refused to talk but Angelica immediately turned on Wilfried and spilled the beans she tells police that
00:47:21
the two of them took this woman captive and when they realized she was going to die from a head injury which
00:47:29
she said she sustained when she fell after a beating they decided to drive her to her back to her own apartment
00:47:37
they were going to leave her to die there so that nobody would connect her death to these two people but of course
00:47:45
with the car breaking down their secret is discovered unfortunately this one woman turns out
00:47:54
to just be the typ of the iceberg because when they searched the home this was this place was pigy would
00:48:02
be polite uh cops found evidence that this couple had held other women captive they collected personal items and cell
00:48:10
phones from women who were held captive in this house the house in the news was referred it was referred to here's one
00:48:19
headline for you in the H sorry here's one news story for you in the house of the torture couple police discovered
00:48:26
hundreds of slips of paper on which Wilfried and Angelica had gotten their victims to declare all of their injuries
00:48:33
to have been self-inflicted those who have seen it describe the crime scene as looking like
00:48:40
an indoor garbage dump right it was cold and damp the wallpaper was coming off the walls there was mold everywhere it
00:48:47
turned out that this couple had scores of victims and what they would do is they would lure the victims in using
00:48:53
personal ads referred to as Lonely Hearts ads with Wilfred advertising that he was seeking seeking a companion to
00:49:02
live with him and his air quotes sister Angelica remember she's technically his ex-wife now
00:49:09
roommate the women would meet him and get tricked into staying there I guess I I'm I wonder if they were just taken
00:49:21
they show up for a meeting and they're taken captive immediately given the description of the the home
00:49:29
they would keep these this couple would keep these women captive torture them and at least
00:49:37
two victims died one Suzanne who we already talked about and two a woman named anakah you
00:49:47
know it does sound like there's like this is an interesting suspect but do we have any connection
00:49:53
between our victim and and these two no we have zero connection other than the very uniqueness of their
00:50:07
crimes and the weird uniqueness of what we speculate may have taken place with our victim what I mean by that is these
00:50:16
are two very unique situations in areas that don't have high murder rates it it's I don't know I I get where
00:50:27
you're going Captain but it's hard for me to believe I'm not saying there connected 100% but there's similarities
00:50:34
here that cannot be denied so for one of the victims that was killed um what we learn from Angelica who again she spills
00:50:45
the beans she described how the couple tortured anakah one of the victims who died she was 33 years old this took
00:50:53
place in 2013 so this is inching our way toward when our victim froa disappeared
00:51:00
and then was killed they after death they dismembered anak's body they burned it in an oven and disposed of the ashes
00:51:08
on a country road for months the victim had been beaten kicked Chained and once almost drowned to
00:51:16
death anakah had been tortured and abused for 2 months before dying she ended up being chained face down in a
00:51:24
bathtub and somehow died of head injuries when she tried to escape but get this Wilfried
00:51:33
texted anak's mother using anak's mobile phone after he had killed her to say that she moved to Amsterdam pretending
00:51:43
to be her hey Mom I'm in good health I've moved to Amsterdam the Lonely Hearts case was a
00:51:51
huge case in Germany uh Wilfried and Angelica house became known as the hawkster house of
00:51:59
[ __ ] the prosecution saying that they were aware of at least eight victims but
00:52:03
could not determine how many victims that had actually uh fell victim to these two I have a lot of the information on
00:52:12
the different torture that they dealt out I don't know that we need to go through and linger too long on
00:52:19
those on those facts of the of this horrible case it's it's there for you if you want to to find that information for
00:52:27
yourself but Wilfried had been torturing and abusing people since 1995 so he was active at the time when
00:52:40
our victim goes missing and again their modus operandi with their ruse of getting people to
00:52:49
come and meet them for a potential place to live or companionship does not fit with anything that we suspect was going
00:52:55
on with froa but could they have changed their ruse she was a helpful person and there's a woman present that
00:53:06
makes it you see a couple you're it feels less threatening than when you see a single
00:53:11
male what if they pulled a Ted Bundy on her we know she was a helpful person we know she was into nursing we know she
00:53:17
took care of the disabled at that facility for over a year where she did an internship what if somebody pulled a Ted
00:53:24
Bundy broke fake broken arm fake broken leg deal on her so I what I think is there is no
00:53:33
direct connection what there is is similarities in what I think may have happened and
00:53:40
took place with froa leaves and what we do know about these Lonely Hearts Killers thankfully they were caught they
00:53:50
were apprehended uh unfortunately Angelica was sentenced to only 13 years in prison
00:53:56
uh Wilfried he gets sent off to a psychiatric Psychiatric Hospital sentenced to 11 years and that was all
00:54:05
all a ruse bamboozlement itself because once there the the doctors determin that
00:54:11
this guy is not uh in need of medical attention he's in need of imprisonment yeah very interesting
00:54:21
suspects there's also there's rumors that she had a stalker but what information do we have on that yeah I
00:54:30
feel like every there's a rumor that every woman walking the planet has a stalker the so well let's face it most
00:54:37
guys are creeps just driving around creeping out people creepy people uh th this is difficult to report on here
00:54:45
Captain because there's not a whole lot of information so I wonder how much of this is just pure speculation but where
00:54:51
this thought this angle for this case comes is from a German armchair sleuth website called all
00:55:00
mystery and it was a neighbor of fras who told of a weird feeling that she got that that she believed she was being
00:55:09
stalked and therefore um maybe her neighbor fruga was being stalked as well um look it here's here's what gives a
00:55:21
little bit of weight to this idea for me is that if she was being watched or followed or stalked it would be very
00:55:31
easy for that individual to be at that Pub that night there's a lot of people there it's Rowdy people are probably not
00:55:39
paying super attention to their surroundings who's around we're all drinking we're having a good time we're
00:55:44
watching football so and there would have been a lot of people on the streets that night
00:55:49
as we have heard from law enforcement somebody could have easily followed her on foot somebody familiar with her could
00:55:56
have offered her a ride it's a very puzzling and troubling case I wonder if the Lonely Hearts killers were
00:56:09
involved why that information would be left out I I it's hard for me to sit here in
00:56:18
a garage in Ohio and sift through all of the information that came out because we do
00:56:25
know that one of the Lonely Hearts Killers did talk to police and did go into detailed information about some of
00:56:32
their crimes now do I sit here believing that she would have gone into detailed information about all of their crimes no
00:56:41
we know that one thing that Killers one trait that most Killers share they're Liars yep so it it's you
00:56:51
sit here and you you you try to you try to sort this thing out and really at the end of the day all that
00:56:59
you can figure out is that scientifically the the evidence states that that that device that phone her
00:57:09
phone was being moved around at the time that she's communicating with friends and family and at that time it seems to
00:57:18
be that law enforcement family and friends all agree that she was taken captive at some point during that week
00:57:25
and was being held captive during most if not all of that communication it's very bizarre that she
00:57:34
would be being moved around like that I wondered this too Captain going into this I know that here in the United
00:57:43
States we have an issue with a spike in human trafficking in the areas near and around the Super Bowl right hosting City
00:57:55
and not well not just that but also any anytime there's a large event yeah you know I'm sure if you look up um like
00:58:04
ComiCon or you look up some of these like the Arnold Classic well even even this is going to this is disturbing as
00:58:11
hell even our uh political parties right you have an uptick in um that type those
00:58:19
types of crimes some of them we're we're also talking about you know lesser crimes like sex work and things of that
00:58:26
nature but there is an uptick in those areas at those times and human trafficking and I couldn't help but
00:58:33
wonder if the World Cup being held in this area could have anything to do with with
00:58:42
a certain element being there and then not there I bet I bet that uptick is way bigger for the World Cup
00:58:51
than it is for the Super Bowl because you have all these people coming from all these other
00:58:56
countries there is last I could find there was a 30,000 euros reward for information in this case uh you have a
00:59:10
family that that is left with not just all kinds of hurt and heartache but the the amount of
00:59:19
questions they must have you know we review so many cases that are so sad and breaking of people that disappear they
00:59:26
vanish Into Thin Air and you're left with all kinds of questions here in this situation yes there was the remains that
00:59:35
were recovered there was a funeral service a very nice beautiful funeral service but
00:59:43
at the end of the day this family's left with a whole different set of Haunting questions than those that lose a loved
00:59:52
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