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14 days after 33-year-old Tracy system was last seen the Chevy Blazer that she borrowed from her father was found
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abandoned 8 and2 miles from Tracy's apartment Tracy system's remains were found 70 mil from her apartment and as
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we know she had been dead for a while probably about 18 days and we also know that someone else was driving that Chevy
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Blazer after her death this reminds me captain of the Jennifer kessie Case by the way we covered the Jennifer kessie
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case in depth in four parts that's episodes 362 through 365 if anyone wants to look those up I am in no way saying
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that these cases are connected in any possible way just kind of stuck on this idea about the vehicles in both cases
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Jennifer Cassie from Orlando Florida has been missing since January 23 of 200 and
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six shortly after she vanished her car was discovered parked around a mile or so from her home a local security camera
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recorded a person parking kesse's car and walking away now that person could not be identified due to poor camera
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quality in the person's face and any distinguishing features being obscured now one glaring difference here is
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obviously in the Tracy sism case we have found and recovered her remains and know
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we also know that there was a couple a unknown couple that was driving the vehicle that alluded law enforcement
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right so in the kessie case we're not certain what happened to Jennifer but in both cases we have recovered the vehicle
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that the victim was driving and we know that they were moved by somebody else now again here we have a very similar
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situation in the cisem case the Blazer that Tracy was Bor turns up with these weird people that we don't know we don't
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know who they were so what were these two people doing in the Blazer doing with that Blazer were they simply moving
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it and almost got caught along the way but were able to duck the police or were they responsible for you
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know does this mean that they're responsible for Tracy's murder or do we have something else going on here
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Captain because we have discussed this several times before in other cases here in the garage could this be just one of
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those weird and rare situations that the real killer simply gets lucky and the case becomes more
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confusing for detectives because our killer got lucky and what I mean by that is there seems to be a pretty
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General belief shared amongst a lot of people that these two people that were seen driving the Blazer and then fleeing
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the vehicle that they're just part of the story but don't really have anything to do with what happened to Tracy sism
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well what we know about Tracy is that her body was dumped into a rural area a street that most people wouldn't travel
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on unless it was a local situation MH but a distance away from where she was last scene you said 70 miles 7 miles is
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it possible that the Killer Tracy also abandoned that vehicle and somebody like you were saying this couple then happens
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upon that vehicle that is kind of the general belief here uh that is shared amongst many people is that these two
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people may have found this vehicle somewhere now keep in mind Tracy has last seen in Indianapolis a big city a
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major city 70 M from where her remains are found it's very likely whatever happened to Tracy happened to her that
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night at the apartment or right after she left her apartment that night so whatever happened to Tracy happened in
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Indianapolis and if you're going to let's say you have a personal cause homicide where you murder someone that
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is somewhat close to you that there would be an easy a direct connection for law enforcement from victim to offender
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but you have killed somebody that you know person cause homicide and now you are tasked with a couple things right
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you could just leave the body to be discovered and then they can go about their investigation but if you do that
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you know that they're very quickly going to wind up on your doorstep knocking on
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your door asking you the tough questions what you're tasked with is I need to get
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rid of this body A and B I need to get rid of this vehicle because it's a quick and easy leap from body to to vehicle
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when you go you know what okay who cares what she told anybody that day or the weeks
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before if they don't find her and they don't find this vehicle and as long as I can create that
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delay between them locating the vehicle or locating her the more and more this starts to look like the people maybe she
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just took off maybe she just packed up her [ __ ] put it in this Blazer and took
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off well on every missing person case that we we cover we talk about those possibilities was there Foul Play did
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this person want to commit suicide did this person want to take off and start a life of their own well and we've talked
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about several cases where people report somebody missing in the local law enforcement agency they don't have
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something to investigate because the adult is allowed to go missing they finish your food before you talk so I
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think that's what you're looking at from a strategy point and from something you
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brought up there's a good chance that whoever is responsible for this mhm may have moved her vehicle and left it
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somewhere abandoned it and then these people found it and moved it and when they get pulled over by the cops they
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get scared and they you know these could be drug users this could be people doing
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a favor for somebody this could be homeless people it does not have to be somebody directly connected to Tracy or
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her murder well cuz if you find an abandoned car and let's say you find the keys in the car party time well yeah I'm
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going to go pick up the captain yeah and we're going to blast some bohemian raps
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City uh don't vomit in the back seat yeah give if you're going to spew spew in this but when you have that scenario
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and you're the driver and you see law enforcement you're going to assume that somebody reported the car stolen right
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because you essentially stole the car and we've said it a thousand times vehicles are easier to find than people
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and the weird thing here too is we have information that is telling us that the cause of death in Tracy's case was
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strangulation and then you have that partial box of ammunition in the back seat it doesn't sound like some Rando
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people that are moving this vehicle for you or that that found it abandoned that
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they would leave ammunition in the vehicle for any reason that's just another confusing part of the story that
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may really have nothing to do with anything other than again if you could create a paper trail between that
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partial box of ammunition and somebody else especially somebody in Tracy's Inner Circle well now we have a problem
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now we have something to to talk about and something to investigate like you're also saying a really good
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strategy if something happened in Indianapolis have the vehicle be in Indiapolis yep even if it's 10 miles
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from where Trace would have been you're not going to be thinking about trying to
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locate a body 75 miles away once you find that vehicle you're going to go okay well now her apartment is
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considered a crime scene and this vehicle is now considered a crime scene so you might again you
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would have to put 1 + 1 + 1 equal three you know MH yeah your strategy would be to want that vehicle to be in
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Indianapolis or as Chaz Barkley would say in the Anapolis but uh yeah you you would want
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to separate yourself from the victim and from her from the crime scene itself too
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and the best way to do that is not have them find the body if you're the perpetrator of this crime and it seems
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like police were were really working under the theory that yes she was killed elsewhere and then dumped in this
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location but we have her last known whereabouts is that apartment so do they believe that she was killed or attacked
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in that apartment or in the parking lot of her apartment complex and then you have the statement from the police this
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is what's interesting though Captain we we people go why you really hyperfocused
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on these ideas it's because police have not released very much information in these cases in this case they've not
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even officially released the cause of death so we know that very strategic about what they are allowing to come out
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so they probably are only allowing things to come out that they know that they have other proof or evidence that
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this is very much case related this is information that we want to allow to go out to the public and what was that one
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statement that they had that a neighbor or neighbors had seen a suspicious vehicle that they reported to be
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possibly a dark SUV that whole statement too and knowing that the last time she spoke with her mother was 700 p.m. that
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night I'm starting to feel like the sun goes down in Indiana that night and something bad
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happened to Tracy in that General location after the sun went down because again I'm going back to the difficult
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vague description provided to police by a potential witness of a possibly dark SUV something either their memory is not
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great or something is causing them to not be able to see the vehicle extremely well over the next couple of years after
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Tracy's body was recovered in 2004 only little bits of information trickled out but nothing that really
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changed what we've already related to you thus far in this case Indiana State Police Sergeant Jeff Decker told the
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Republic that the police were choosing not to release the cause of death so it would not create problems in any police
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interviews Decker did confirm that they believe Tracy to have been killed elsewhere and dumped in the area where
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she was found investigators continue to work the case and would say only that they continue to talk with people they
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haven't ruled either way on this being in or out as possible suspects well people have to understand something
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that's simple again you see this in like the deli case where people want to know
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the cause of death they want to know what happened they want to know those details they think that somehow those
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details are going to help them solve the case when they're doing their internet web sleuthing right mhm but in this case
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you might have somebody that comes forward and says hey look I was talking with my boyfriend I was talking with my
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girlfriend or whoever I was talking to and they said that they're responsible for her death well how did they kill her
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oh well they said they shot her and if that's not the the cause of death then you're less likely to believe that lead
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and people might naturally think that she may have been shot and it not be the case at all right right why would they
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naturally think that because ammunition was found in her abandoned vehicle now one thing that did come out
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this was in 2006 so just a so what you're saying is by releasing that information it's kind of a
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deceptive way to put out information there that might not actually matter by law enforcement well not only that but
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you may not have any control over it you may be going back and retroactively creating that strategy meaning if they
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announced that the vehicle was found remember the vehicle was found before her body was located right and even
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months before the body was even identified so there may have already been information out there to the
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general public whether it was in a newspaper or on the news or just known in her Inner Circle that oh they found
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they found her vehicle before they found her body and there was there was bullets
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in that you know sitting sitting in a box in that back the back seat of that vehicle now one thing that did come out
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in 2006 that the police discovered in their investigation and this is per the indie star was that Tracy sisum was
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trying to kick a drug habit or recently had kicked a drug habit her family said that she had a troubled marriage and
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that her body had no trace of drugs in her system so there was a toxicology report done on the body on the remains
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and there were no drugs found to be in her system at the time of her death well that's what I wondered because you know
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in the missing or the vanishing women case in chofy there was several victims that they thought were just
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overdoses and and so if there's an overdose at a party they don't know what to do and and because they're all drug
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addicts uh struggling with that addiction they don't want to go to jail so then they get rid of their they get
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rid of the body well in this case we know for sure that it's a homicide the people who know Tracy told us that
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Tracy's EST strange husband Michael sisum had a crack cocaine habit and that he had gotten Tracy hooked on drugs as
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well but we know that they were not together at the time that she disappeared and we also know based off
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of what the family has said that she was trying to kick the habit or had kicked the habit and then you have to go back
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to the toxicology report that may back up that statement that she did in fact kick the habit and she ain't going back
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to Michael sstem if he's if he's hooked on drugs and and part of the problem now
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clearly based on this clean tox screen at her autopsy again we know that this shows
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Tracy was moving forward moving on from that addiction but her troubles with drugs and an ongoing Court situation
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with her first husband and her estrangement from her second husband and again the UN unknown identity of the
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people driving the Blazer provided a fairly long list of potential suspects in my opinion yeah I agree in 2006 the
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family announced that they were offering a $110,000 reward for credible information on Tracy's death her sister
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Shelly told the indie star quote we are pleading for any information anyone will
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have on my sister it has been too long years there is a void it makes you wonder how Cooperative these exes are
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with law enforcement because you'd think that even her first husband look he has
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a he has a dog in the fight in the sense they have children together MH and he would you know want to know her
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whereabouts obviously and then for his children's sake he would would want to know one what happened to their mother
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so he can explain that to them later but also who is responsible and to see that
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Justice is done for the mother of his children well and along with this same announcement here captain of the family
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offering up $10,000 reward for credible information on Tracy's death they did quote Rebecca Sandlin who is Tracy's
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mother as saying quote someone out there did this to her it's not fair they are living eating breathing having fun
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and watching what id has to say Yeah in 2008 Tracy's case was featured on a deck
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of playing cards now we've seen this in several other cases throughout the years
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this is a deck of playing cards that is handed out to inmates in the state prison system they will often put
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missing persons or unsolved homicide victims on these playing cards and give them out to the inmates because they
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have time to sit around and play cards and they're hoping that maybe someone will see her picture get a little bit of
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information maybe they know something maybe somebody on the inside has told them something or maybe someone they
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knew on the outside told them something and then they can pass that information along to law enforcement now remember
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that Tracy's body was found wrapped in a quilt far from the apartment that she was vacating found in Rural Brown County
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investigators said that they had not been able to uncover any Nexus between Tracy and that area Tracy was from
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Indianapolis and had no connection whatsoever that they could find to that rural area at all Brown County
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prosecutor Jim Oliver told the Republic quote she was last seen in Indie she lived in Indie we don't know what the
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Brown County Connection is he said he believed investigators should focus on May County where Indianapolis is located
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this seems like a very important hint that officials believe that whoever killed Tracy was close to home now
00:26:38
before we proceed any further it has to be said that this is one of the most frustrating cases that we've looked at
00:26:44
in a while due to the lack of information our efforts to obtain documents and reports were stonewalled
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in every direction we submitted foyer requests for police reports and autopsy reports those were denied but again this
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case is 17 years old right we've not seen a ton of movement on it it's time it's time to put out some more
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information well it's so frustrating because you know that there's people involved or people that are
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possibly close to her that have information that they're sitting on mhm and it's you know why wait and this idea
00:27:22
that somebody committed this murder and just sitting around like eating their Cheetos having a good time no this is
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Weighing on them well it weighs on them all the time we manag to unearth some information some more information and
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talk to some sources that we will relay to the listeners in hopes of stirring up
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some interest in Tracy Sis's case we did a lot of digging in this case to try to
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get to the bottom of who killed Tracy our feeling was that police have to know a lot more than they are saying and and
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I think we're right our sources people close to the case we are not naming them tell us that there is indeed a prime
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suspect a number one suspect in the murder of Tracy sism and police know exactly who he is we are talking about
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Tracy's estranged husband Michael Lee sism according to our sources when Tracy went missing and then turned up murdered
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police went after Michael sism incredibly hard that's what she said I bet you they thought that they were
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going to get an arrest and soon a conviction early on in this case right police were convinced that Michael had
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shown up to the apartment that night that Tracy was cleaning out and that the two had some kind of altercation and he
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killed her and then dumped her body sism was a Indianapolis native as well growing up in the same neighborhood as
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Tracy did but our sources tell us that Michael sism had many ties to Brown County as well that he grew up hunting
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in that area and that he is intimately familiar with the area where he dumped Tracy or where her remains were found
00:29:09
that is interesting we're being told that this guy is the prime suspect we're being told by law enforcement that Tracy
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system has no ties we can't find any connection between our victim and where we found her body Brown County how now
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brown cow yeah but we're being told by the sources that not only is this dude the prime suspect but there are obvious
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connections between him the suspect and where the body was later found according to the sources Michael
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was dealing drugs when the police were pressuring him about Tracy's murder and the cops started badgering his drug
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Associates about his activities so the the heat was getting too hot hot in the hot so he skipped town he ended up in
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Oklahoma and then he was in Missouri for a while where he beat up a guy who owed
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him money from a pool game apparently he beat this guy up so bad that he was arrested in January 2006 and he was
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facing a decades long sentence for the assault some have said that the woman that he married right around that same
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time he married this quote unquote girlfriend so that uh she could not testify against him
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and that all of the other Witnesses were deemed incompetent in that case because
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they had all been drinking in the bar when the fight occurred so these charges Captain end up getting reduced to felony
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theft right so he beats up this guy the motive for beating him up was because the guy owed him money from a pool game
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well apparently after he beat up this guy he took that money from the dude so they didn't charge him with the physical
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assault they charged him with stealing the money well how much money I you know I don't know how much it was but what
00:31:01
happens here is a $5 bill in a Coke not only do the charges get reduced but the sentence gets reduced as well so he he
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ends up looking at decades long or more charges originally this ends up only being with him ple taking a plea deal
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and getting sentenced to six years he ends up serving one now here's what we've learned obviously Michael system
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has a violent past in which he faced charges for that assault right but women who have dated him say
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that he would choke them and that he was abusive during their relationships what
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a romantic they said that at first he would come across as a great guy but then he would become emotionally and
00:31:45
physically abusive and manipulative he assaulted one woman he lived with an Indiana after his release from prison
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and when she filed charges and S trining order he sent someone over to tell her to keep quiet so there is a conviction
00:32:04
on his record relating to that incident a misdemeanor battery charge for the assault which occurred December 23rd
00:32:14
2008 he also has a disorderly conduct conviction in Indiana from 2002 and as we said he did a little bit
00:32:22
of time in prison for that Missouri assault on the pool player so has a violent temperament and he likes to put
00:32:29
his hands on women that's what we are being told Tracy's family has not spoken out to the media directly about Michael
00:32:36
and Tracy's relationship and whether it was violent or not uh but we do know the two were
00:32:42
aranged and Tracy was living on her own in that apartment that she was clearing out when she vanished and our sources
00:32:49
tell us that Tracy had filed for and been awarded a restraining order against Michael so if if if the dead could talk
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then that's Tracy telling us that yes this guy was violent to me toward me as well MH Now Tracy and Michael met I
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guess much earlier in life when they were in high school Michael actually dated Tracy's younger sister Shelly now
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Shelly was the most vocal advocate for her sister's case shell would even call up Michael sism and beg him to provide
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the family with answers in Tracy's death asking him to confess to the murder for
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the sake of their child cuz remember the two had a kid together and not only that
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residents of the Titanic Community where both Tracy's family and Michael's family
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live I'm being told that it they all seem to know that Michael had something to do with Tracy's death that this is
00:33:50
sort of an Open Secret in that area well here again let's go through the list real quick violent temperament puts his
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hands on women we have a restraining order that was issued against him from the victim and he has connections to
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Brown County which he would his connections are not just that he knew the area but he's very familiar with the
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Royal parts of the area because he went there to hunt not only that some are saying the specific area where Tracy was
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later found right now let's go back to 2004 Right Around The Disappearance time when Tracy disappeared Michael sisum was
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telling people who asked about you know what happened to his wife that she had left permanently that
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she had taken the two girls and left and then went to live in various crack houses in
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Indianapolis he said that he had gotten her out of the crack houses and moved her in with his mother and that one day
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she went to pick up her child support payment from her ex-husband and he warned her not to blow it on drugs and
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she just never came back okay so of course this story is absolutely ridiculous this is what our
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Prime Suspect is telling people in town so this okay this weener spanker he is saying oh no no no no no she she lefted
00:35:16
and and she was she was going to all these different crack houses and I'm the one that that was trying to get her
00:35:22
clean yeah he's saying hey don't be doing that stuff around our kids and don't be spending your money on drugs
00:35:29
but the problem with his story Captain is this does not account for any of the time that she's living on her own in her
00:35:35
own apartment or moving in with her mother borrowing the Blazer from her father to move you know what I mean it's
00:35:43
it's like a convenient way for him to explain away why she is not around anymore and blame it on the victim and
00:35:51
what's interesting here too you go okay well what does any of this mean does it mean anything Nick and I say yes it does
00:35:59
it what it means to me is you have her other family the rest of her family are going where is she we don't know what
00:36:05
happened to her oh but this guy's got a story right right he's got a story a story that we know does not line up with
00:36:12
the facts of her life leading up to her disappearance how convenient and he can say whatever he wants I I that's the
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unfortunate truth here that's the harsh truth here is that the the possible offender
00:36:28
lives to Die Another Day and and can tell whatever tale he wants between between then and now she's not here to
00:36:36
to defend herself and and and tell us exactly what happened what we do know from the tox report Captain is that
00:36:45
drugs were not found in her system when she was murdered right so look like you said he can say anything he decided to
00:36:53
create some story some fictitious bull [ __ ] and it doesn't make any logical sense with what we know that she was
00:37:01
moving out of her apartment that she was going to move in with her family that she borrowed her father's vehicle it
00:37:08
doesn't make any logical sense but it doesn't matter to him he just this is the story I'm going to tell and I'm just
00:37:15
going to stick to that and you can you know it's [ __ ] cuz you go doesn't make any Lo logical sense well and what
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it looks like to me here Captain is that the family's theory is that Tracy was at
00:37:26
her apartment loading things into the Blazer as she said to everyone Michael must have shown
00:37:32
up despite this restraining order the two argued he strangled her then he wrapped her body in a quilt and drove
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her to another part of the state a part of the state that he is familiar with to
00:37:44
dump her and here's the thing too it it would be really important and I know that the
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family's not been very vocal and Shelly was really Tracy's most vocal advocate it sadly shell has passed away in the
00:38:01
years so it would be really interesting to know and I think it would be important to know whether the quilt
00:38:06
Tracy was wrapped up in was this recognized by her family as one that belonged to her or the family or is this
00:38:14
something that we can put up there and say look this this quilt did not come from the victim did not come from the
00:38:22
victim's family our most the best explanation we would have is that it belonged to the
00:38:28
killer well and the tough thing here again is if the point of interception or the
00:38:35
point of abduction is her apartment what was she doing at the time she was packing up stuff so the killer would
00:38:43
have plenty of opportunity especially when you're moving you have your boxes everywhere and things are open and
00:38:49
you're packing blankets that you normally don't use did they just pull this quilt from our own belongings did
00:38:56
they move her body with her father's Blazer mhm these are things obviously we don't know but very good point if the
00:39:05
family goes we don't know who quilt this is never seen it before but but then the
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difficult thing is is if you say well this quilt is from her ex-husband well one could argue well
00:39:18
maybe she took that with her when she moved out MH so that that becomes the difficulty thing or if you go well that
00:39:28
quilt is from you know uh from his mother's house or something I still think that
00:39:37
becomes difficult to prove because they they did have a relationship they were married they did live together for a
00:39:43
time period some of his belongings could have become hers another thing that would be very helpful to know is what
00:39:51
happened with this Chevy Blazer right how did how did it get into the possession of this man and woman who
00:39:57
ditched it when they were pulled over by police well I bet M her I would bet money that maybe her ex he said there
00:40:04
going oh yeah I had to go around to different crack houses and get her out of those crack houses okay you're a
00:40:11
crackhead yourself that means you run in circles with crackheads it probably won't be that hard to sell that car for
00:40:20
a little bit of drugs it's a nice vehicle hey if you just give me some drugs I'll give you this vehicle well
00:40:26
and this look he's not a great guy he's not even a good guy right this Michael guy that we've discussed oh he's a bag
00:40:33
of [ __ ] but everything I've been told is he's a you know he's an intelligent man
00:40:38
and that he's would not be dumb enough to if he killed Tracy he would not be dumb enough to be driving around the
00:40:46
Chevy Blazer that he would have known better than to drive around the vehicle that was tied to his missing and
00:40:52
murdered wife with whom he was not supposed to be in contact with right but people close to the case believe that he
00:40:59
likely ditched it somewhere which makes sense so that somebody else could magically come along and steal it in the
00:41:04
middle of the night or that maybe you know if he if he is dealing drugs then maybe he traded it off to one of his
00:41:14
drug Associates or called in a favor from somebody well again that goes back to the circle of people that he runs
00:41:21
around with you have a currency that's different than money because you have addicts M and so they
00:41:30
sometimes they'll do things that they normally wouldn't do maybe at some point they were a good person but because of
00:41:37
this addiction they'll steal from their families they'll steal from others they'll burglarize the neighborhood uh
00:41:44
they'll steal from little kids they might even murder somebody well and you have a situation here that I find to be
00:41:51
very interesting Captain where we have the potential of other suspects right we have a fairly large suspect pool that I
00:41:59
would say we have it could be an unknown person it could be these two unknown people that were seen driving the
00:42:04
vehicle it could be her first husband but what we end up having at the end of the day is sources telling us no it was
00:42:12
the most recent husband it was Michael sism and he had a violent past he was not supposed to be around her and he
00:42:18
probably was trolling her and bothering her and that somehow they met up or he found her that night cleaning out the
00:42:27
apartment and they got into some kind of altercation well no and I I would lean towards that cuz I think the other thing
00:42:33
too is she's not found with drugs in her system and so that was probably a control technique for him hey I'm using
00:42:42
drugs if I get you hooked on drugs I can control you more we already know he's abusive and one of the things that
00:42:50
abusive men do is they divide and conquer divide them from their family divide them from their their actual
00:42:58
personality by getting them hooked on a substance and one of the things that I believe and I don't I don't know if how
00:43:06
true it is but what I believe is sometimes these guys get in these horrible rages when they realize I can't
00:43:15
control this person anymore I have lost the ability to continue the path of abusing them and doing whatever I wish
00:43:24
to them and having them under my control so we already see some kind of Separation she's living in her own
00:43:31
apartment but maybe he shows up that day and realizes she's clean she has kicked
00:43:36
the habit she's kicked me out she's kicked the habit she's moving back in with her parents I can't control her
00:43:43
anymore and then flies into a rage and not only that if everything that we're being told is true Michael was an addict
00:43:51
himself I don't know his current situation but you just said all all of the things that that people that are
00:43:58
drug addicted may do for money or for whatever other resource he was an addict at the time of her
00:44:07
disappearance so that becomes a a whole another possibility it could be it could
00:44:13
be that the drugs are more responsible for his actions than he is and that's where look he got a plea
00:44:19
deal one time in in Missouri there's still time if he in fact did this there's still time for him to do the
00:44:27
right thing and if he's not going to do the right thing there's other people out
00:44:31
there that know I I'm convinced of that that there would probably usually these people even in personal cause homicides
00:44:39
usually they tell somebody something and I gotta believe man if this guy is hanging out with people that aren't so
00:44:46
much on the up and up or if he had a call in a favor to have the vehicle moved or or help him in any part of
00:44:53
cleaning up and covering up this murder right right somebody definitely knows something well it makes you wonder what
00:45:00
happened to the children cuz like you're saying this 17 years ago mhm and yes she
00:45:05
had three children they're all grown adults now they grew up without a mother but they also grew up without knowing
00:45:14
what happened to their mom yep and again like we said what we suspect is that she
00:45:19
kicked a habit that she was turning her life around and like I've always said like and we see it a lot lot of times
00:45:26
with True Crime cases where they don't get as much attention because you find out that the person was suffering with
00:45:33
an addiction and I always go well it's just as sad to me because they lost the opportunity to turn everything around
00:45:41
they lost the opportunity to become maybe what they were supposed to become all along but they got sidetracked and
00:45:49
so these poor children grow up not knowing what happened to their mom probably being fed lies from from other
00:45:56
parts of their family they deserve answers just as well as the rest of her family does her oldest two were raised
00:46:03
by her husband you know their father and then her youngest who she had with Michael system was eventually raised by
00:46:15
Tracy's family they're probably all in lock step with of trying to figure out what happened not just to their mother
00:46:23
but to their daughter their sister and so on now as we said Captain this is a very frustrating case Tracy deserves
00:46:30
Justice and so far she has not received it based on what we were able to learn this is one of those cases like another
00:46:37
Indiana case that we've covered of a murdered wife Sharice Bingham where police know who did it but for whatever
00:46:45
reason the powers that be don't feel like they have enough to bring charges we can only hope that the Indiana State
00:46:52
Police Detective Chris fears who told us that this is an open and active investigation is correct and that this
00:47:00
case is being worked and might one day be solved the recent arrest of Heidi fergus's husband Nick 11 years after her
00:47:09
murder also gives us hope that this even after all of these years have passed that these murdered wives can find
00:47:16
[Music] Justice [Music] if you have any information that can help in this case of Tracy sism or any
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of the other Indiana cases that we have mentioned in today's podcast please contact the Indiana State Police at
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1317 232-8262 or for other ways to reach out to the Indiana State Police you can go
00:47:55
on their website at in.gov can't thank you guys enough you filthy animals can't thank you enough
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