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[Music] cribe [Music] the Missouri State Highway Patrol serves as the coordinating law enforcement
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agency in Missouri to alert the public of missing or abducted children today in the great state of Missouri just like
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many other States in this great country Amber Alerts are distributed via the wireless emergency alerts program the
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mission of the Amber Alert program is to develop and coordinate the efforts of law enforcement the media and
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transportation in order to increase public participation in safely recovering abducted children through
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targeted education increased communication and effective sharing of resources to avoid both false alarms and
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having alerts ignored as a wolf cry the criteria for issuing an alert is rather strict each state Amber Alert plan sets
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its own criteria for Activation meaning that there are differences between alerting agencies as to which incidents
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are considered to justify the use of the system however the US Department of Justice issues the following guidance
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which Most states are said to adhere closely to one law enforcement must confirm that an abduction is taken place
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two the child must be at risk of serious injury or death three there must be sufficient descriptive information of
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child captor or captor vehicle to issue an alert four the child must be under 17
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years of age December 16th 2004 was the first time that an amber alert was issued for
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a fetus lacking any sort of description the alert was initially denied as it had not been used before in
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an unborn child's case and thus there was no description of the victim eventually after intervention by
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Congressman Sam Graves the alert was implemented the baby's mother had been murdered just hours before the alert
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went out to the citizens of Missouri and immediately people wondered who could do something like
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that John Raburn is the director of the infant response team for the national Center for missing and exploited
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children and researches infant and Fetal abductions Raburn and other researchers
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have interviewed convicted abductors much like how the FBI interviews serial killers to learn more he said that most
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abductors Fit air fairly specific profile they're in a rocky relationship and think a baby can save it they're
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having fertility problems they are overweight as it is easier to get people to believe they are
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pregnant they have a history of Deceit they carefully research and plan the crime and according to Raburn they
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usually share another surprising quality the vast majority of these women have had one or more babies of their
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own infant abductions are rare the national Center for missing and exploited children reports as of
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December 2020 that there have been 327 infant abductions over the past 55 years in the United
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States as rare as infant abductions are fetal abductions are even more so there appears to have been 25 of them
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in the last 40 years most in the United States most fetal abductors surveil numerous targets before striking fetal
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abductors research how to perform a cesarian section raber said all of the fetal
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abductors he has studied have little regard for the real mothers but they never intentionally hurt the
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infants he explained the psychology of the women when they first pick up the infant quote it's almost like an instant
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birth for that perpetrator this is true crime [Music] garage a good portion of today's trailer
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was from a fascinating article by the good folks doing good work over at KCTV in the trailer we talked about the
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first time an amber alert was used when there was no available description of an
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abducted child and that is the case that we're going to dive into today Bobby Joe
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was born in the Tiny Town of Skidmore Missouri oddly enough she was the cousin of the young man whose case we featured
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in the garage yesterday that is The Disappearance of Branson Perry growing up Bobby Joe was a good student with the
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love of horses and dogs she was Qui quiet and kind Bobby Joe graduated from nway Holt High School in 2000 a year
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after her cousin Branson and a couple of years later Bobby Joe married Zeb stennet and a little over a year later
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she was pregnant and Zeb and Bobby Joe are expecting their first baby on Thursday December 16th 2004 Bobby Joe
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just 12 days ago celebrated her 23rd birthday she is 8 months pregnant at this time the young couple lived in a
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modest whitewashed clapboard house they both worked at a Kawasaki Factory but on
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this day Zeb stennet was at work and Bobby Joe was at home the stennet raised and sold rat terrier puppies they also
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traveled to dog shows and showed their dogs at some of these events most of the sales were generated through their
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website happy Haven farms.com at 3 38 p.m. on December 16th a 911 call came in nway County 911 what is your emergency a
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nway county dispatcher said on the other end of the phone line it's Becky Harper
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this is Bobby Joe's mother she is now at Zeb in Bobby Joe's home Becky is screaming
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uncontrollably Becky Harper found her daughter's bloody lifeless body in the back bedroom of the home this room was
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used to hold puppy kennels Becky cried into the phone she told the dispatcher that Bobby Joe was lying on the floor
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and there's blood everywhere the dispatcher asked her what happened Becky replied quote she was pregnant and it's
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like her guts have exploded or something very quickly Medics and police were on the scene paramedics tried to
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revive Bobby but there was way too much blood and when you have that much blood you have
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very little hope as often it is already too late unfortunately doctors pronounced her dead at 4:27 p.m. and
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what a horrific sight this has to be absolutely horrific walking into this finding your daughter in this manner and
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not really fully being able to grasp what had actually happened right she's got to be in total shock now now
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investigators Captain were able to conclude the following fairly quickly it appeared to investigators that Bobby Joe
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was attacked inside her home they found zero indicators of forced entry into the
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home the victim was strangled from behind someone had made a lateral cut across her abdomen and removed the fetus
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they also concluded that the baby was likely alive but could be suffering by being born so violently and not helping
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this horrific situation keep in mind she's only been pregnant for eight months so we are one month early well
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and because of the wounds law enforcement can you know deduce a possible motive yes that's correct and
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again our victim she was attacked and strangled from behind but not without putting up one hell of a fight God bless
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her and there were obvious signs of this at the scene first there was blood on the bottom of Bobby Joe's feet this
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means that at some point during the struggle she stood in her own blood right the child would have been cut from
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her while she was lying down on her back the only blood is coming from her stomach
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area what this shows us is that she was strangled choked out but not dead her killer likely thinking
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that she may have been dead but she came too while the killer was in the process
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of taking the baby from her body wow she got up back on her feet standing in her
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own blood where before she was fighting for her own life at one point now she's fighting for her baby well it's like old
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man's strength for some reason mothers just have that incredible mother strength yeah there was further Evidence
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too that she fought her attacker attempted to fight off the attacker in fact she was found gripping strands of
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blonde hair in both hands when her mother discovered her inside her home nway county sheriff Ben
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espie was the first emergency responder on the scene from a law enforcement perspective and was notified that the
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child's IM biblical cord was cut prompting him to immediately get the help of outside agencies this including
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the FBI they're going to join in on the search for this child who's never been seen by anybody right Sheriff espie told
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reporters quote what we are looking at is more likely this story so far sounds like something that you would see in a
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in a movie or on um Law and Order episode doesn't seem quite real not at all Sheriff espie told reporters quote
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what we are looking at is more than likely our victim has been strangled and was probably deceased when the child was
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removed from the womb evidence would show the baby was probably wrapped up and taken out of the home now Becky
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Harper remember she's Bobby Joe's mother right would later say that she was on the phone with Bobby Joe earlier that
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day mhm and that Bobby was expecting someone to come look at her dogs this about 230
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p.m. she told her mother on the phone oh they're here I've got to go remember Becky found Bobby Joe
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and the 911 call came in Captain at 3:38 p.m. Becky walked to the home after Bobby Joe failed to come to her house to
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pick her up at a scheduled time so if the statement that Becky is giving to investigators is correct Bobby Joe
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was attacked and killed and baby abducted between approximately 12:30 p.m. and 3:30
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p.m. that's quite a nice carved out little window for investigators to work with and her husband is at work at this
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time Zeb Senate is working at the Kawasaki Factory during this the entirety of this day now one tip that
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came in suggested that three people had killed Bobby Joe with the purpose of taking her baby which they intended to
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sell I'm a little unclear where this tip came from but it was reported in the papers and in the news at the time this
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story very quickly became very big news and the law enforcement agencies that were working the case one the nway
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county sheriff's office with sheriff espie and the FBI and some other agencies particularly in the state of
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Missouri were working very fast on this case and working together and Sheriff espie as well as I believe it was agent
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Jeff Lanza from the FBI they were answering questions that the media had again very big news very early on in
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this investigation yeah because we have two victims one victim is deceased and one victim's still out there possibly
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alive so you got to work this case completely different than most other murder cases and sheriff espie and the
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FBI agent were asked directly about this tip that suggested that three people had
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killed Bobby Joe and took the baby with the intention to sell to which Sheriff espie responded and told the reporters
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this lead was possibly going to go up in smoke he said the third party has misled
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us so this lead may have sounded promising to the local scuttlebutt and to reporters but to law enforcement I'm
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sure they were able to quickly set this tip aside Scuttle butt's a good word I don't know if that's because they they
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were able to discredit the person or the information where the tip came from or if it was simply that they had very much
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more stronger leads and evidence pointing them in a completely different direction and this they found almost
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immediately in this case Captain well and almost sounds from law enforcement's perspective that this tip is maybe to
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even throw us off any other tips yes or simply could be somebody wanting to get involved in the investigation because it
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is now a media circus right another one of the early leads in this investigation
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came from a neighbor this was one of the neighbors of the stat that reported seeing a red twodo hatchback car that
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was parked in the driveway of the Senate's home at 4:30 West Elm Street sometime between the hours of 12:30 and
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2:30 p.m. this on the day in question this was reported as a battered red twodo car with a hatchback at least
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10 years old maybe even older now I like this red car tip now you take that from
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what we know to be true to the time frame right let's go back to Bobby's mother's story mhm that she's on the
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phone with Bobby Joe and around 2:30ish Bobby Joe says oh someone's coming oh here they are I've got to go and now an
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hour later Becky Harper is in her daughter's home finds her daughter dead so now you have to wonder Captain and
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the and these individuals are coming supposedly to look at dogs according to Bobby Joe yes so now you have to wonder
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is this red car either directly related to the murder or at the very least can the red car fill
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out a little more of our timeline and maybe even offer some additional information maybe even they witness
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something of importance so we've got this one hour that we're really working with that we're concerned about and we
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also have this red car we need to figure out who was driving that red car and also do we have any eyewitnesses seeing
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one individual or multiple individuals in this vehicle from my understanding there's a possibility that this
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eyewitness saw someone or some kind of activity going on in the back of the vehicle it's a little
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unclear what it was that they thought they were seeing or how it's directly related but um I think what's important
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here is that description of the vehicle itself but the other thing that's nice for law enforcement is this is a small
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town and and like we said yesterday I don't even know if you can call it a town so somebody noticing this
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vehicle it it probably wouldn't take too many degrees of Kevin Bacon to figure out who this car belongs to that's very
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interesting that you say that because I think that and also the reverse of that is is this a vehic that you recognize to
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be owned by anybody that you know from here you know we're not talking about thousands 50,000 60,000 vehicles in this
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general area there's about under 300 people living in this town and I'm sure a lot of these people know a good
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majority of the vehicles being driven by its residents well just think like when
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we went to high school uh you know that it's probably more people in our high school than we're in this town but if a
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crime was committed and the police officers were asking us well have you ever noticed this car before we we
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probably again maybe only noticed it a couple times but again we could probably figure out who that car is connected to
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or well I don't know the individual's name but they're friends with so and so or yeah or rattle off a few people that
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have vehicles matching that General description right well Captain you mentioned a data dump on yesterday's
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episode so that's interesting because it is important to this case here today because police are armed with the
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information that someone may have been coming to look at some dogs or purchase a dog that day from Bobby Joe Stinnett
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yeah or that being the ruse to get inside the house to attacker and as we said earlier the majority of the sales
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of those Rat Terriers that they raised came from their website from Bobby Joe and zeb's website the happy Haven
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farms.com website tracking that website and tracking their phone logs where were
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they able to get another suspect yeah what they were doing was they were trying to find a good lead here based
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off of this general information and everything on the computer all that information that they
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found on Bobby Joe's computer told investigators that she had made arrangements to meet with someone named
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Darlene Fisher and this was for the purpose of a possible sale of a puppy this at that time period on the day of
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her murder well who the hell is Darlene that's a good question so with several agencies working diligently together
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this this whole thing is super Amplified this is your regular homicide investigation on on
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steroids maxed out because you are not only looking to solve someone's murder and we know how things you know the the
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faster you can get the good leads the faster you can secure good evidence the better your case will be the better your
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investigation will be it's not just about solving This Woman's murder there was a child that was ripped from her
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body yeah it's about saving that baby's life right it's not just a kid na child this child could be in danger simply
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because of how it was born and because how early it was born there's all kinds of complications here so all of these
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agents and agencies working very diligently together using every resource available they could find they couldn't
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find any record for a Darlene Fisher you know they're checking driver's license State IDs anything that
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they would have on their databases they cannot find a Darlene fiser and they couldn't find anyone who even knew who
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she would be so now the investigators are terrified because it's starting to look
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like to them that they are dealing with a suspect or at least a person that they're trying to find that was using a
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fake name to meet with the murder victim on that day not only are they using a fake name but this person is an absolute
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that all right we're back cheers mates cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain cheers to the people in the back
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or to the billy goat cheers to the people up front don't forget about those those people the fine
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people up front yeah they smell good so Captain while we have this all going on again all of these agencies working
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together I do want to take a a quick step aside from the investigation and throw a little shout out here this
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Sheriff espie I'm a big fan of him and I know that it's really a reflection on more
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modernday investigative efforts and law enforcement agencies and how they conduct themselves but one thing that I
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noticed in several of this Sheriff's invest instigations and this one in particular
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is that he is quick to identify a situation and go all right this is of a certain magnitude let's tap every
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resource available and tap every other agency available to us and get all parties involved and let's just get it
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done and get it done right he doesn't let ego stand in the way of asking for help getting others involved right
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especially uh case that is so serious as this one so while all of this is going on while we
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have individuals trying to figure out who Darlene fiser is or who could be using that fake name of Darlene fiser at
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the same time we have Sheriff espie who is attempting to use one of those resources that being the Missouri State
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ambur alert system he is notifying the proper channels which I believe would be the state highway patrol according to
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the information that we covered in the trailer today saying hey look we need to send out an amber alert well what does
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the victim look like we don't know what does the abductor look like we don't know um what can you tell us he's
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basically saying we can't we don't have any information other than the very simple fact that we know that a fetus
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was abducted and somebody made off with that baby and roughly po or or possibly this the suspect's car right so
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he gets a no on his request they're like yeah that doesn't fit the criteria for our state's Amber Alert
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System well espie doesn't like this answer and he's not a the kind of guy that just takes no for an answer when he
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knows that he needs help and as you pointed out Captain this is a horribly tragic Savage crime this is of the
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utmost importance I completely agree so he starts lobbying his local Congressman
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saying you need to go to bat for us and and get this done make this happen and through that channel he ends up being
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told hey all right we're going to move forward with the amber alert for this abducted child well again look at this
00:31:19
case we we have a murdered victim so when you have a murdered victim the the best outcome at that point is to get a
00:31:26
suspect collect the evidence charge them convict them and have them spend the rest of
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their life in jail and while we have the work getting done to make the Amber Alert happen now we have to bring in the
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computer forensic detectives right because since we can't figure out who Darlene fiser is our next effort is
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going to be tracing the communications from this so-called Darlene Fisher regarding the possible
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purchase of one of the dogs through a lot of work they're able to very quickly Trace that back to a single IP
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address and I'm going to shorten this version of the story Captain because it does get very complicated it's a lot of
00:32:14
reaching out to people in other states to find out some information that lead you to another piece of information and
00:32:20
another piece of information and speaking to but it's it's information that's it's Elementary to you since you
00:32:26
study computer right that's correct and by the way there uh will be new computer shirts
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this week in the on the store Page they trace this to a single IP address and then what they learn is that that is
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coming from a town in melver Kansas which is about 170 miles away they the IP address is traced to a
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telephone that was registered to a Kevin Montgomery at South Adams Road in Mourne
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mhm well this is a really darn good lead isn't it so the FBI decide hey let's start watching this
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house and soon they spot a dirty red Toyota Corolla with Kansas license plates pull up to that address yeah of
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course it's a dirty Toyota Corolla the agents now they're going to move into the residence once inside they
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find a man and woman sitting on the couch and between them appears to be a baby wrapped up in a sheet Jesus now
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they can't see you know any features of the baby they can't see the face or any skin or anything like that in fact one
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of the agents says it really crossed my mind in that moment considering everything I had just seen in the last
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24 hours mhm that the the baby could be somewhere else and that could be a shotgun or some kind of handgun wrapped
00:34:02
up uh for for them to grab easily right and take us out well they check on the situation they are right and find out
00:34:14
that it was in fact a baby it was in fact the missing baby that they were looking for sitting between these two
00:34:20
people on the couch they're just sitting there watching TV like nothing happened
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like like a couple of new parents and in fact oddly enough they are watching the
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Amber Alert information that is coming out on their TV screen Jesus Savages of course they arrest both of these
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individuals and the baby is sent off to the hospital and I won't leave anybody hanging for too long I'll jump to this
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portion of the story the baby was determined to be healthy okay nothing's wrong with the baby no injuries at all
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thank god well that's why was saying about 5 minutes ago but you interrupted me the the importance of moving all this
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stuff forward was like I was saying you have a murdered victim nor normally that's all you have a murdered victim so
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now you have to get the suspect get the evidence you know charge them put them in jail and that's the best outcome but
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when you have in this case the the victim taken by the murderers now you have another outcome
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and it's going to be on your hands and that's how most law enforcement look at it hey it's on our hands if we do not
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capture these people in time and get this baby back and have the baby be okay and have the baby be alive and not
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another murdered victim in their custody the police now have Lisa Marie Montgomery and her husband Kevin
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Montgomery they've separated them they're going to be interviewing them both of them are in their mid to late
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30s sounds like a very bad U country duo now what Kevin Montgomery tells police during this interview
00:36:09
process is that his wife Lisa allegedly called him at 5:15 or around 5:15 p.m. the day before this saying that on a
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shopping trip to Topeka can she had gone into labor and given birth he said that his wife told him she had
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delivered the infant earlier in the day at a nearby birthing center and she asked him to pick her and the baby up at
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a fast food restaurant this was in the parking lot of a Long John Silvers in Topeka
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Kansas the next day the couple showed off the newborn at a diner a bank the courthouse and the convenience store
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where Lisa Montgomery worked Lisa Montgomery had four children of her own this from a previous marriage
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this was her second marriage to Kevin Montgomery but she had her tubes tied in 1990 we're in
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2004 right and according to they come they came untied right according to Kevin Montgomery her husband he said that on
00:37:32
at least one occasion she claimed to have been pregnant this after the procedure I'm a little unclear here
00:37:42
Captain if Kevin Montgomery was fully aware of this procedure right I'm guessing he wasn't what ends up
00:37:51
happening in the other room with Lisa Montgomery she you know is trying trying to explain some things away and she's
00:37:58
sticking to the story of oh she was pregnant and she had this baby and she's going to stick with that story but not
00:38:04
for too long eventually she breaks down and admits to police that the day before
00:38:11
she drove to Skidmore Missouri and met with Bobby Joe stinnet in her home and attacked her from
00:38:20
behind and took the baby from Bobby Joe's body using a kitchen knife me I mean this is one of the worst cases
00:38:29
we've ever covered that it is my friend and she drove apparently drove to this long john silers restaurant in Topeka
00:38:38
Kansas and then called her husband saying hey I just gave birth to our kid come and pick me up well I mean they do
00:38:48
have good fish sandwiches and better dip fries now we're going to have to go to trial
00:38:53
captain and well first of all I mean just so we're clear they didn't have to do any test or
00:38:59
or or did they do test just to prove cuz I'm glad you pointed that out you're you're absolutely right they did some
00:39:07
DNA testing and were quickly able to determine that the child was not belonging to Lisa Montgomery right and
00:39:17
it did belong to Zeb stennet and to now diseased Bobby Joe Stant and after the baby was determined to be
00:39:27
healthy the baby was returned to uh her father the baby's name by the way is Victoria stinet yeah and you feel for
00:39:36
him cuz again and this was their first child and and maybe they're planning on having more and and and now you have to
00:39:44
you raise the the kid alone without without without a mother it'd be a tough situation and your spot on
00:39:53
Captain this is one of the worst cases that we've had to cover but the the Silver Lining is of course the baby's
00:40:01
healthy and we're able to not have double the tragedy here again that's a a plotting all law enforcement involved
00:40:10
every from from the simple Patrol officers from the patrol officers all the way up to the FBI to
00:40:20
the comp computer I can't talk today computer forensic team I mean all of them involved are are the
00:40:29
reason that that this child is still alive now this is going to be a different kind of charge which will lead
00:40:36
to a different kind of trial here Captain what Lisa Montgomery is eventually charged with is in fact a
00:40:43
federal offense of kidnapping resulting in death so what the prosecution is going
00:40:51
to push forward is that the removing of the baby Abdu ing the baby from the mother's body is in fact at the end of
00:41:00
the day what killed this poor woman resulting in her death this was a crime that was
00:41:08
established by the federal kidnapping act way back in 1932 so she's going to be Tried by the
00:41:18
US federal government and if convicted she could face either life imprisonment at a federal prison or for the death
00:41:27
penalty right and it's weird though too because she she basically broke down during the interrogation so you think at
00:41:35
some point that her and her lawyer would be making some kind of plea deal yeah broke down and I got to tell
00:41:42
you Captain the the only you know there's very few portions of this story that you can gain any kind
00:41:51
of joy out of you know the returning of Victoria Senate the baby well I thought uh the hard work of the investigators
00:41:59
and the community but she broke down I don't know what kind of mental and emotional tools Lisa
00:42:09
Marie Montgomery was working with here um right her defense team the lawyers presented an alternative theory of the
00:42:20
crime of how the crime was perpetrated and how it went down this theory was that Lisa M's brother had actually
00:42:28
committed the murder however oh that's great just throw everybody in your family under the
00:42:34
bus well the other problem with this idea of presenting this as a defense for Lisa Marie Montgomery is there's no
00:42:43
evidence to back any of this up right you know this you can't back up this Theory put forward by the defense team
00:42:52
so when this was seen by the defense team team as a lost cause effort they ended up Switching gears during the
00:43:01
course of the trial and then they were going to go for an insanity defense right that's what they should have went
00:43:09
with probably initially but again why not just make a deal because you already confessed and try to save your life and
00:43:18
make a deal you're exactly right well you have all these you have so many victims in this case I mean one you have
00:43:25
any law enforcement that had to see that scene uh you have you know obviously Bobby Joe then you have her child then
00:43:34
you have her husband you have the whole Community then you have this lady's kids
00:43:41
and then think about the her husband he thought he was picking her up because they had a child right I have a really
00:43:50
hard time believing this husband guy that look there's some dumbass men they some dumbass men I mean I can
00:43:59
believe that he didn't know about the procedure the tube tying procedure I can believe that I have a hard time
00:44:05
believing that this guy's as smart as glue is what he is but some of the people in the town of melne Kansas came
00:44:15
to his defense and said look she fooled us too there were other people in this community that she fooled for months
00:44:22
leading up to and I and I've I've had this happen I had a friend of mine you know she told him that she was uh
00:44:30
pregnant so she could fake it for a little bit but she faked it for months it took months and and this guy is not a
00:44:38
dum he's not a dummy uh and it wasn't and and in his defense he never had a child before so he didn't know exactly
00:44:48
you know what to look for but he but friends of his started pointing out certain things to him but again a guy
00:44:57
that's not he's not dumb and he was faked he was fooled for for months um uh by by his girlfriend and her telling him
00:45:07
that she was pregnant and I'm not going to go to Lisa Marie's defense I'm not going
00:45:15
to look this this woman from everything that I've seen and we've talked about this it feels like like a dozen and
00:45:26
dozens of times here in the garage captain that a lot of these killers some of them have had
00:45:33
horrible I mean I I I'm almost speechless when I when I begin to think of her childhood but a lot of these
00:45:39
killers have had horrible childhoods yes lots of abuse years of abuse her childhood it would it I mean it's up
00:45:50
there with any of them that we've reviewed it might be the worst one that I've ever reviewed as far as cases go
00:45:57
here in the garage but again I'm not going to go into detail about that because this show is not about Lisa
00:46:02
Marie Montgomery it's about Bobby Joe stennett and Victoria stennet Zeb stennett and uh Becky Harper yeah but it
00:46:10
is interesting I mean that her background is interesting but but also the more you dive into that the more you
00:46:18
portray her as a victim and it was reported that during the court proceedings about half of the
00:46:26
jury were crying at times during the trial itself and of course I think a lot of this is coming from this horrific
00:46:36
crime uh it being there's so many women that struggle to get pregnant to have carry
00:46:43
pregnancy to full term there's a lot of issues with that and and to have a a this happen um it
00:46:53
just it's devastating um if you're a defense lawyer and you're looking over at the jury and they're
00:47:01
crying you're thinking well this is not looking very good for us yeah I I think this is one like I understand that we
00:47:09
have to have checks and balances we have to have prosecutors and defense attorneys but I think if I was a defense
00:47:15
attorney and they gave me this case I think I would just say I have to walk away I I can't I couldn't do the best
00:47:23
job for this individual or maybe I could because again like I said from the beginning you broke down you already
00:47:29
talked to law enforcement why not make a deal right and I think I think you're spot on there my friend because remember
00:47:36
when we reviewed John Wayne gas's Case his his attorney his defense team they were I thought they were incredibly
00:47:44
intelligent and their view was look the our the best thing we can do for this man is prevent him from getting the
00:47:51
death penalty right we're not we're not stopping him from going to prison this guy is a monster well yeah he's a one
00:47:58
he's a monster just like this late he's a monster but there's so much evidence there right we're not going to be able
00:48:05
to beat that we're not going to get you to walk out of here there's a lot of people that are against the death
00:48:11
penalty and so maybe Bobby Joe's family would be against that and so Justice would happen quicker and
00:48:25
could resolve this quicker and and you could also Save a Life on October 22nd 2007 this just
00:48:34
after 5 hours of deliberation the jury found Lisa Marie Montgomery guilty rejecting the defense claim that the
00:48:42
defendant was delusional 4 days later the jury recommended the death sentence and the judge Gary Fenner agreed with
00:48:52
that recommendation and formally sentenced Lisa Montgomery to death Lisa Montgomery was executed by lethal
00:49:00
injection on January 13th of 2021 at the United States penitentiary in Tero Indiana when asked if she had
00:49:11
any last words she simply replied no she was pronounced dead at 131 a.m. [Music]
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materials were used in the research for this week's story so if you want a deeper dive make sure you check out baby
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be mine the Shocking True Story of a woman accused of murdering a pregnant mother to steal her child by Diane
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