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this includes the worst and most heartbreaking of crimes murder law enforcement used information
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collected at the crime scene and eyewitnesses to lead them to the perpetrator or perpetrators of the
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crimes they are investigating and then an arrest is made after that it's left to the courts and often a jury
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of one's peers to sort it out and it's another bad guy or killer off the streets but then
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there are those crime scenes that yield little in the way of Clues and after talking with persons in the
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area you discover they too are able to provide only a tiny amount of helpful and useful information
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it doesn't happen often but when it does law enforcement rely on their greatest of allies
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the General Public because the public together is powerful and generally despises criminals
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especially the violent ones as much as the women and men with badges working so hard to track them down
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and that is what we have on tap here in the garage this week it's a unique crime of the worst kind
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a killer with a brief interaction with the victim and then just seconds later he vanishes
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leaving police with little to work with one of the first articles regarding this
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murder is from the Detroit Free Press from November 13 2013 and reads Taylor Michigan
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clerk at cash advance store killed police are investigating the fatal shooting of a 30-year-old female clerk
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at an Advance America cash advance store 8229 Telegraph one question facing detectives is
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whether Chelsea and small a mother of two from Gibraltar knew her attacker an alarm was pressed just before noon
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Tuesday police say officers found small dead the killer had fled security tapes show a male suspect
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a killer this is true crime garage before we get ear balls deep into this week's case I think it is most fitting
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to paint a picture of the area of where this horrific crime took place this week's unsolved homicide does not belong
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in any town or city but it's incredibly out of character for where it did take place so today we are going to go to
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Taylor Michigan which is located in Wayne County Michigan and Taylor is southwest of Detroit the population is a
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little more than 60 thousand good hard-working people the crime rate in Taylor is not what I would call
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particularly high for a city of that size but we should know in the last 20 years on a scale of 1 to 100 the U.S
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violent crime rate is 22.7 and Taylor Michigan's violent crime rate comes in at 27.1 so a little above
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the national average but 60 000 people is a considerable population and due to the city's
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location it's near Detroit and the other nearby cities are pretty well populated
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too Taylor sees its fair share of traffic and passers through now I've never been to Taylor only drove
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through myself but from what I can tell this is your typical nice Michigan City Taylor is named for Zachary Taylor a
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one-time national hero and our 12th president and Taylor we have a well-traveled road where the unsolved
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homicide that we are discussing this week this is where this went down this is on Telegraph Road Telegraph is part
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of U.S Highway 24. the highway runs through three counties in Southeastern Michigan this is Monroe Wayne and
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Oakland counties so obviously this is a well-traveled road this is Telegraph Road now back in 2013 on Telegraph Road
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we had the Advance America check cashing store this is one of those High interest
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rate loan joints every city has one in larger cities you'll certainly see several of these types of businesses if
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Advance America specializes in lines of credit payday loans which is a short-term loan typically paid
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typically due on your next payday installment loans and title loans where you get money by offering up the title
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to your vehicle but you still get to drive your vehicle as you pay that back and I don't know about today but back in
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2013 some of these locations offered Tax Services as well I'm unsure captain of the business hours
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eight years ago but I wouldn't imagine that the business hours would vary Too Much from the current hours which are as
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follows closed on Sunday important especially in this case now we are going to take you back to
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Tuesday November 12 2013. we have 30 year old Chelsea Small she is working solo at the Advance
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America located at 8229 Telegraph Road in Taylor the business opened up at 10 A.M that
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day so I would imagine this means she is arriving shortly before 10 a.m depending
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on the opening duties Chelsea is working in a manager capacity which would be expected if she is opening and operating
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the business by herself which is the case on this day according to Chelsea's mother Debbie Cayman around 10 30 a.m
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the two of them talked briefly on the phone Debbie says Chelsea told her that she had just finished up some of her
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early morning tasks and really everything sounded like business as usual Chelsea's only complaint was that it
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seemed like they were dumping a lot of work on her at this current time we all experienced this at work right just
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another day especially middle of the week when you just want to get all of your work done get the work day over
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with and go home so this is very likely the way that Chelsea felt on this Tuesday so
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everything was plain and simple normal this is until 1204 PM so this is lunch hour on a very busy road
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a man knocks on the door of the Advance America now we say Knox we don't know for certain
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but in the dramatization that they show the man knocked or tapped on the door but what we do know for certain is that
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there would be some type of notification that the man wanted to enter the business
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be it simply visual or otherwise because the store Front is glass including the front door but the door is always locked
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it's typical for these businesses to always be locked even during business hours and you even see this at some
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banks and jewelry stores and such so think of a jewelry store or a bank where you have to be buzzed in this is the
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same thing you can't enter until a staff member hits the button which unlocks the
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door and then you are free to proceed inside now some robberies are obvious right you see a mask you see a weapon or
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someone you know to be bad news and you don't hit the button you don't unlock the door some robberies are obvious this
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one was not what Chelsea would have seen when looking at the man standing at the
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door waiting to be buzzed in is a pretty average looking stocky middle-aged man she buzzes him in he opens the door and
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walks inside now the layout of the business is very basic you have the storefront where the customers enter
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Then There is probably about eight feet deep maybe a little more but all the way
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across the entire width of the store this is standing room only space where lines can form
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this standing space leads up to counters where staff can assist the clients the counter goes all the way across so
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picture a line that goes from one wall all the way to the other this completely separates the staff from
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the customers on the other side there is a little door in the middle of the counter and the counter is like chest
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High and the little door looks to be just slightly shorter than the counter Now Chelsea is sitting at the counter
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space furthest to the left of the man so he walks in and approaches Chelsea at this counter space to the left it
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looks to me like she starts to get up and this could be for any number of reasons simply just to greet the
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customer or she could have noticed something because this man has a gun now the gun is not obvious to me before
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he is standing right in front of her in fact he brought with him a dark bag so I
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have seen and heard this bag described two different ways one like a banker type bag this could be
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with a zipper or some of them even have maybe a lock but the way that it's most commonly
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described and described by detectives as well is that the bag is more like one of
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those flimsy drawstring type bags and again I've seen and watched the security camera footage repeatedly and
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it absolutely looks like a cheap drawstring bag to me and I gotta tell you Captain it looks way too much like a
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drawstring type bag that I'm awfully shocked that there's even that bank bag description I think
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that that just kind of muddies the waters a bit let's go a little more in depth of what we see we have a white
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male wearing a black baseball cap dark blue I can't tell if it's a shirt or if it's a jacket but it looks like it's
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either tucked into his pants or maybe it's a elastic waist if it's a jacket he's wearing black pants and it looks
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like um they look like tennis shoes to me but I can't tell if they're just like dirty
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white tennis shoes or if they're supposed to be like tan they're described by law enforcement as
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light-colored boots or shoes and then also you notice on the baseball cap there's a little white marking on one
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side so there's an emblem on the front of the ball cap and an emblem on one side of
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the cap and there's also some kind of white tag or some kind of white emblem somewhere on his pants it might be it's
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near the belt area uh if for those that have not seen pictures of this perpetrator but from what I can tell the
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perp arrived at the Advance America store with the bag so then he will take this with him
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when he leaves so other than what can be seen on the security footage of course no one knows for certain exactly what
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kind of bag it is we can only look at it from the footage and describe it it's dark in color and if I had to guess it's
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black but again we can't say for sure and I'd agree with you most of the pictures that you see
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of this bag I would agree with you it looks like a cheap drawstring type bag but there is one image where it looks
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like maybe there's a zipper across the whole top or maybe it's an envelope or something
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sticking out there's one picture that maybe looks more like a bank bag yeah it definitely appears to open on the top or
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on one side okay so the man walks in and goes to the counter at the far left Chelsea is sitting and appears to start
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to stand up either to greet him or because she is alarmed by seeing the gun my guest Captain is that the gun was in
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this bag as he gets to the counter and then he pulls the gun from the bag and he immediately shoots Chelsea Small
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shoots her once he then appears to place the bag on the counter and then he walks
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and I want to strongly emphasize this for those who have not seen this footage he walks he does not run
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in fact he walks very calmly to his right to that little door the door that separates the counters
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he reaches over the door again the door is just a little shorter than the counters to the left and he
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hits some kind of latch or lever on the staff side of the door this frees the door for him to push it
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open and he walks still very calmly behind the counter to the left up to the victim and then fires the gun again
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he then can be seen looking around like on some of the counters behind the counters and then he walks towards the
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back wall still in the same room appears to check some kind of cabinet and calmly walks
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back to the front of the store now he's in the customer area again and then I believe he puts the gun back
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inside of this bag I can't tell for certain but right the gun goes away and then he walks out of the store
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when officers arrive on the scene they arrive within minutes and they find Chelsea Small Dead behind the counter
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now a few things happened during the course of these events and we'll go through each item after I list them here
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one the killer did make off with some money two Chelsea activated the silent alarm this is how law enforcement knew
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to arrive on the scene indicating that a robbery was in progress and three at some point during this
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whole situation the Killer's gun jammed or malfunctioned at some point so the killer entered the Advance America store
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at 1204 PM this is a very specific time and detectives would know this obviously
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based off of the security camera footage but likely from the electronic magnet door lock as well
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now the building I worked in years ago it would make an electronic record every time the door was unlocked and opened so
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while he would need to be buzzed in one could simply trigger the infrared proximity sensor and click the door
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unlocked so he could leave the story it needs to be buzzed in but does not need to be buzzed out
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now before we get into those three pieces of information Captain I want to talk about the timing of all of this
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along with the door to the business so we know thanks to the security measures and technology that the perpetrator
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entered at 1204 PM this again is the lunch hour on a very busy road and then as far as we're being told
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nobody sees a thing what we are being told is simply that the security camera is our only eyewitness so the timing
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seems weird but notice when we went through the business hours on Tuesdays Advance America is open only from 10 a.m
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to 2 P.M so it's the shortest hours of operation for the entire week remind me where they
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open on Mondays the business is closed on Sunday open from 10 a.m to 6 P.M Monday
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Wednesday Thursday Friday 10 a.m to 2 p.m on Tuesday and 9 A.M to 1 p.m on Saturdays so maybe the
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perpetrator knows that there could be less customers on Tuesday or possibly he knows that there's less employees on
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Tuesday because of the shorter schedule right and so where my head goes is I believe
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this tells us one of two things possibly both for the business itself either the
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structure of this day is significant to the business due to some kind of operational procedure required by the
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business right or and maybe it's an Andor this is most often the day when the business receives
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the least amount of traffic the least amount of opportunity to generate more business less traffic means less staff
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so you got to wonder is this kind of random did he just pick this day at random because it was good
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for his schedule or did he want to do this on this day because of the Limited hours right so did the killer know this
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and was this Cho his choice of hitting the business on a Tuesday part of some kind of bigger plan right if I'm robbing
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the place or targeting someone that works there well this is a good day for me to carry
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this out as I should in most likelihood encounter less tellers or staff also less customers less people in the
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parking lot but then my other question though too is if this is the day that the business is going to see the least
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amount of customers is it possible this is the day that they carry the least amount of cash with inside the building
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that's a good question and again I I also point out the possibility that it has something to do
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with the the behind the scenes operation of the business right and that might just be the case we don't know for
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certain but regardless these are hours that are posted that people could easily find I personally believe that it's it's
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not so random that he picked this day and it happens to be their shortest day I kind
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of feel like we're working with a sophisticated criminal someone that takes a lot of time and
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and planning goes into crimes as well as a man that a criminal that's patient I agree because like you
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said when he come when he gets into the building he shoots her right away it's almost
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like he he had a plan and he really stuck to his plan and that's what's so damn tricky about this case because you
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go all right well he shoots her right away so was he was he there just to commit the murder and then take some
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cash to make it a little confusing right to appear as the mode of being robbery and not murder or did he decide in
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advance you know I'm making this robbery I'm not leaving any Witnesses right or did he
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did he somehow figure out that she hit the panic button that she triggered the silent alarm so I spoke with one of the
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detectives that's worked this case and he told me it was in fact you know a very traditional silent alarm the the
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robber would not have heard anything it's not a you know like most people's home security systems there's a loud
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siren that's going off this would have been a button that she would have pushed that that he may have seen her push it
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he may not have we can't tell from the security footage I'm on this idea right now of the parking lot Captain because
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if he did choose this day I think he chose this day for the purpose of there being less staff there probably number
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one good chance of less customers less people in the parking lot you don't want people seeing you in and out of this
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business on this day So speaking of the parking lot we've already mentioned that this is a
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major road there are a lot of businesses obviously on this street in 2013 the Advance America was located at 8229
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Telegraph now it's no longer there there is a tax place there now I believe from my understanding is that once this
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homicide took place I'm not certain that the business ever opened back up or if they did
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people stop going there there's a tax there the tax place there now so this was on the east side of the
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street in a shared building there's room for four businesses in this building with their own storefronts so
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you would have the addresses of 8225 8229 8233 and 8237 8229 is Advance America it's the second
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from the left when you're facing the building there were two other businesses in operation at that time
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so I imagine the parking lot in 2013 would have been configured about the same as it is today and it looks to be
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that there are just six parking spaces in front of the businesses that's a total of six not six each
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the building is bookended by additional parking the problem with our case is we don't
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have any Witnesses to the crime other than this single security camera inside the Advance
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America we don't have security footage from outside Advance which could provide some answers right like what I'm
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guessing the other workers and the other building never even heard gunshots you'd
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love to know what kind of vehicle this guy was driving yeah you know make model year maybe even
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a plate number you'd you'd love to know where this guy parked because here's the
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other troubling thing we don't have any eyewitnesses saying they saw this guy outside
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of the Advance America we don't have anybody telling us what kind of vehicle he was driving where he came from and of
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course where did he go makes you wonder if somebody dropped him off and I mean this is such a quick attack
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quick plan executed that did somebody drop him off stroke her back around and pick him up and head out of town wonder
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if he didn't park there or didn't get dropped off and I'm basing that off of fact that we don't have anybody telling
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us that they saw him coming or going from the store and this is bizarre because it really
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reminds me a lot of the I-70 killer case where we had a suspect description and a
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gun description but out of all of those attacks no one seemed to know what the guy was driving where he came from and
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where he went now one suspicion in that case in the I-70 case was that the perpetrator was parking in the
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neighborhoods that the businesses backed up to and that could very well be the case
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here as that is a possibility if you look it up on the map there are houses behind the Advance America building West
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Point Street runs behind the businesses and in fact West Point dead ends twice so the road stops it's not complete so
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there are houses on West Point it dead ends there's like one lot size of space that is grass
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and then the road starts again and there are some more houses so someone could park their vehicle
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along West Point Road or at either of the dead end spots cut through a yard again there's
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that space that is just grass so you don't even really have to you don't even need to cut through someone's actual
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property you walk calmly no one notices you if you look like you should be there it's a
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busy road lots of people moving about you walk calmly to the parking lot walk past the pizza place up to the door of
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the Advance America and earlier we said knocked on the door to notify Chelsea that he wanted in
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because that's the way it went down in the dramatization but from the news footage
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I looked at the news footage from that November 2013. now mind you the cameras that are trying
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to film this this is After Crime Scene tape is set up and everybody already knows what went down
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but the cameras are back by the street so they're a little distance away so it's a little hard to tell but it looks
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to me Captain like there's a button to the left of the door this is probably a bell or a buzzer that
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the customers push that trigger some kind of noise notification to the staffer so they can make a quick visual
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check of the person unlock the door and let the customer in in this case the man
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in now your thought goes to well then this buzzer or Bell would be the one thing
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for certain that we know the killer touched so let's try to pull some prints off of
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this thing now again I've watched the security footage that was released to the news outlets
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over and over again and I am 100 convinced that the man is wearing gloves in fact I believe he's wearing white or
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off-white latex gloves and if so fingerprints won't be a factor and the only thing you really see him
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touch on the camera footage once he's inside is that latch on the back of the door to go behind the counter
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on the footage I believe that I'm seeing a much different color let's pretend he's not wearing gloves it would look to
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me like his his face color in hand skin color are completely different and that's what I'm kind of basing that off
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of that it looks to me that he could be wearing gloves foreign [Music] [Music] [Music]
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all right we're back cheers me mateys cheers to you crispy of the crispiest kernels cheers captain and I will be
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posting this surveillance footage on our Instagram Facebook and also our website
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at True Crime garage so check it out because I'd be interested to see if people will see anything different than
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we are picking up on the other thing too is think of this week's episodes as more
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of a commercial right it's a commercial asking everyone for their help put your eyes on this footage let us know what
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you see let the police know if you know something or recognize this man and the captain every week thanks you for
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listening thanks you for telling a friend this week we would like to thank you for
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telling a friend about this case not necessarily about our show but about the Chelsea Small case her sister has said
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that she believes that the reason why this case has not yet been solved is that the right set of eyes have not seen
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this case the local police department the detectives say that they put the probability rate of solving this case
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very high we just need a lot of people to take a break and take a quick look at this footage somebody out there will
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recognize something now the general autopsy information in this case Captain is that our victim was shot twice once
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in the chest and then once in the head the killer did make off with some money the reports I have seen states that the
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killer made off with two hundred dollars cash so very simple the shooter comes in
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walks right up to Chelsea now there is no audio on the security footage but it does appear that very briefly that there
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are some words exchanged between the shooter and victim and at some point Chelsea activates the silent alarm
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indicating a robbery in progress the killer shoots her once walks around the back of the counter and shoots her again
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and then he looks around very quickly this is interesting to me because he could be looking for more money
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obviously but when he goes to the back part of me wonders if he's looking to see if there was anyone else in the
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business you know making sure that there's no that's very good point no other eyewitnesses or or maybe he's
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looking for somebody else he he makes a move to go to the back but as calm as he
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is he does seem to want to get in rather get in and out rather quickly but again
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could just be looking for money their their business is money I just don't understand why they only have one
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employee I I almost I'd almost assumed that they would have two employees even on a half day like on their half day on
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Tuesdays and maybe just one of them didn't show up that day and from every report that's
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out there the he's only inside of this business depending on which report you look at 60
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to 70 seconds 60 to 70 seconds so everything was happening very fast and unfortunately
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this man was very efficient at whatever it was that he was doing now we said two shots fired but at some
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point in the commission of these crimes the Killer's gun jammed or malfunctioned
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at some point so this left a live round this is on the side of the store that is
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nearest the door so a silent alarm at that business on a major road is a very high priority call for police my guess
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on a Tuesday around noon you're dispatching multiple cars to that scene when police arrived the Killer is gone
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the door is locked and now given the current situation there is no one to buzz open the door for the police to
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come in and take a look around but that live round that bullet is on the floor and police see this
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and that changes everything right because then they very quickly break the glass door they go in and unfortunately
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they find this young woman Chelsea Small then on arrival well this case is so frustrating because like you said I
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don't know if I see that he's wearing gloves but we have no fingerprints as far as what he was setting out to do
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did a good job of that other than the gun being jammed and possibly this uh shell casing
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I don't see what mistake he made it's but I can't definitively tell you what the motive
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was was the motive to kill Chelsea and then to get a little money to then confuse cops
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or make people think that it was just a robbery or was it just a simple robbery and she
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was a innocent bystander dude your feelings are spot on because the detectives that have worked this case
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there it's a mixed bag between their opinions on the motive of what went down there are some detectives that say
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absolutely this was a robbery he didn't want to leave any eyewitnesses there are other detectives that say the
00:35:33
robbery makes no sense he walks right in shoots her he makes sure that she's dead too with the second
00:35:40
shot right and that makes me lean towards the motive being murder correct and he the
00:35:47
other thing too is he doesn't attempt to access a safe or some of the detectives
00:35:54
and again these are just this is just speculation in people's opinions nobody really truly knows for sure
00:36:02
but some detectives say look him looking around seems like he's not really looking for anything in particular or
00:36:11
looking for money and that's why I wonder with the idea when he went to the back if he was
00:36:17
looking for another person to see to make sure that there was nobody else in that building
00:36:22
because like you said regular dude myself included we would expect there to be more than one person
00:36:29
inside that building at that time so one of the best things that I've heard a detective say in this case
00:36:37
as as for what the motive may be is that if he was simply going in there to rob the place and make sure that he
00:36:47
didn't leave any Witnesses this man would be smart enough to know most people would be smart enough to
00:36:55
know that the best witness the best eyewitness in this case is the camera not necessarily our victim unless the
00:37:03
victim knows this man so you can take out the human element the human eyewitness
00:37:13
but he doesn't take out the computer I witnessed so that's it's very interesting it's a it's a mixed bag
00:37:19
amongst the Taylor Police Department as to what the motive may be and that carries on to the public as well
00:37:25
now her family Chelsea's family seemed to think that there has got to be some kind of connection between
00:37:33
the Killer and their loved one they say that it could be something as simple as she may have known him but only knew him
00:37:41
through that business right this is a type of business so there's a lot of paperwork a lot of paper trail here I
00:37:48
almost feel like if it was somebody that's related to the business to her her from work
00:37:53
that they would have been able to come up with something but therein lies again a whole nother
00:37:59
set of possible motives that do not have to include robbery do not have to include Chelsea as the actual Target
00:38:06
well like you said it could be a customer and yes there would be a paper trail but
00:38:12
how many customers are we talking about you know at a bank maybe you see a thousand some different customers within
00:38:19
a month that that just brings a very large suspect pull and yes you can start breaking it down by age weight and
00:38:27
height but I don't know It's Tricky one and this guy is so common looking I mean to me he
00:38:35
looks like uh somebody that would be out on the delivery or maybe a maintenance worker or maybe something that works in
00:38:43
a garage you're spot on again the detectives have all said that it they believe that he might be wearing some
00:38:49
work type clothing you know that that is more of a uniform rather than a casual outfit yeah I agree and the same thing
00:38:57
that I said you know Chelsea's family has said that they think she probably buzzed him in because
00:39:05
maybe she recognized him and I don't I'm not trying to take anything away from them they know this case better than I
00:39:10
do obviously and but I what I see here captain is what you just said such an average
00:39:17
looking Regular Joe he's gotta look like there's got to be a thousand other guys that look like this
00:39:25
guy in that area there's 60 000 people plus living in this area he looks just like a regular
00:39:32
guy that you would oh he hits the buzzer you hear the notification you look up regular dude at the door buzz him in
00:39:38
he's just a customer regular old customer but like you said when we were talking about
00:39:44
um uniform this also looks like a uniform that maybe a delivery driver would wear like somebody that was like
00:39:51
delivering like let's say appliances or it could be like a semi truck driver so like it still looks like a work uniform
00:40:01
to me almost head to toe uniform to me yeah right like from from the Hat all the way down to the possible work boots
00:40:09
I can't say 100 certain that those are boots that's what it appears to me other people say they see tennis shoes
00:40:16
but yeah to me top to bottom work type outfit now if we're going to go into this and
00:40:24
say well was Chelsea a Target is that what was going on here I think we should briefly discuss victimology who was
00:40:32
Chelsea Small she grew up in Gibraltar Michigan that's pretty close to Taylor just about a 20
00:40:38
minute drive right maybe about a 28 minute drive north from Gibraltar to the crime scene but in 2013 Chelsea was 30
00:40:47
years old with two small children she obviously was working at Advance America but was also attending school at
00:40:55
Wayne County Community College where she very proudly and appropriately so to be
00:41:01
proud Chelsea was on the Dean's List these cases are all sad and heartbreaking but especially so when we
00:41:08
are talking about a mother a young woman from a close family I I want to emphasize that this seems like a very
00:41:15
close family to me she's also a person who was doing all of the right things working and going to school
00:41:21
and this really this job is just that it's just a job this is not a career for her Advance America this was just a
00:41:31
stepping stool something to build her resume make a decent wage to pay her bills provide for her kids until she
00:41:39
graduated collagen and would be moving on to bigger and better things and unfortunately in 70 seconds that's
00:41:46
all gone for what 200 bucks yeah what's her relationship with her ex it seems to me and I only have
00:41:57
to base this off of his words but he's the father of both of the children they were never married
00:42:06
and at some point they they separated but they according to him remained very much a team in regards to taking care of
00:42:14
the kids I wonder if he ever fought for custody because that would be a motive he says that he considers Debbie Cayman
00:42:21
who is Chelsea's mother to be like a second mother to him so I don't know if he stayed close with her family since
00:42:31
2013 but according to him and his name's Rick Fairley according to Rick they were in
00:42:40
the process he and Chelsea were in the process of of discussing building they're rebuilding their lives together
00:42:46
their family together now we were just talking about money 200 bucks I want to make sure we are very
00:42:54
clear on something before we move on I've said 200 bucks a couple of times that is the amount cited in a couple of
00:43:03
different sources news coverage sources I don't have proof of this but I believe that that is just
00:43:12
a generic number again I don't have proof but I think somewhere along the line someone said
00:43:17
200 and it's been repeated ever since then but I believe that the Taylor Police Department stance on this information
00:43:25
has never been in a an exact dollar amount their statement has always been a small
00:43:32
amount of cash less than 250 dollars so therein lies really another big piece of this mystery what was the gunman's
00:43:42
motive for going into the store as you pointed out earlier captain in any of these cases we've seen this with yogurt
00:43:49
shop with the Lane Bryant shooting Las Cruces bowling alley I mean the list just goes on and on
00:43:57
when when the dollar amount look no dollar amount is equal to Taking Lives but when the dollar amount is so small
00:44:05
and the loss of life is so significant there's it's unbalanced right that doesn't seem to be
00:44:14
it doesn't seem to be right or make any sense and then you go we're sure that the
00:44:20
motive was even robbery here's my other issue with the way that this um dickweed looks like the
00:44:32
we were talking about his outfit and we go well it looks like uh a worker's outfit
00:44:38
but it wouldn't be that uh crazy if I was going to become a hitman and it was my my first hit I could see
00:44:49
wearing an outfit like this yeah you see what I'm saying and so like even if it was your second or third hit
00:44:57
right but yeah I mean like it's like it it's very plain Jane let me there's not a lot of identifiers on any of the
00:45:04
articles of clothing yeah unfortunately we can't make out the emblem on the pants nor could we on the hat and I did
00:45:13
say earlier that there's an emblem on the front of the hat and the side there's 100 an emblem on the side of the
00:45:19
Hat yeah the the front is a little we should leave that open-ended a little in question there because I don't think I
00:45:25
can say 100 that I see an emblem on the front of the Hat well again there's so many pictures and
00:45:33
earlier when we were talking I kept on going I don't really see the gloves now I can not not see gloves so yeah once
00:45:43
you see them there there seem to be there every time one it's like like you said they're not that it's not like he's
00:45:49
wearing bright uh white gloves they're it's almost like there's something just kind of distorting his skin like like
00:45:58
maybe he's like clear I think it's like latex gloves yeah but clear latex gloves
00:46:03
or something um but it just it doesn't make a lot of sense you know because you go well
00:46:09
so the so you're saying that and I'm not saying it's a Hitman but it's very Hitman like when you watch there's been
00:46:16
other people to say that even police have speculated that and the thing is he he walks in he's in
00:46:24
and out and he's again the clothing you said the same thing it would be nondescript clothing and
00:46:30
everything's tucked in nice and neat right there's not like he's very buttoned up in a way to not to show
00:46:38
reveal too much of him or to possibly leave strands of hair there's very little interaction with the victim herself
00:46:47
there's no indication that he even physically touched her right which is strange because he
00:46:54
openly has his hair flowing uh underneath his baseball cap but he's got to look normal enough for her to buzz
00:47:03
him in but he has to look normal enough to get into the building right like not not
00:47:09
just for her to buzz in but for other people walking by to just walking to and from the building right to not raise any
00:47:15
alarms but but what's weird hearing her mother talk about well there were customers that maybe had crushes on her
00:47:24
that maybe she wasn't interested in but you can't roll those guys out no just because this looks like a hit
00:47:32
because some people there is no emotion even though people would go well well they killed
00:47:39
this person because they weren't receiving their advances right but some people are just that cold oh
00:47:48
well she doesn't care about me well I want her dead but I can do it in such a way where I I
00:47:55
can leave my emotions out of this to make sure I don't get caught because it seems like very cold
00:48:03
come into the building shoot the victim go look around for some money shoot her again take off well think about when we
00:48:13
covered the Superbikes case out in South Carolina Superbike was the name of the business
00:48:20
someone went in and shot several shot and killed several of the workers it went unsolved for many years they
00:48:27
eventually solved it ended up being Todd kohlhepp who committed those crimes but it went unsolved because they
00:48:35
couldn't they were looking for a connection between one of the victims and the killer a personal connection
00:48:40
yeah there was no personal connection there was a business connection but he didn't care who it was that he
00:48:50
killed he wanted revenge against the business itself he went in there one day and he thought
00:48:57
they were laughing at him and poking fun at him and he went in there he waited until he
00:49:03
didn't think he would encounter anybody else so the place would be empty and almost very hitman-like even though he's
00:49:09
acting on his own behalf goes in there and shoots everybody up well it could be the same thing here
00:49:17
where it has nothing to do with Chelsea has nothing to do with really the money it's just I mean like you said people
00:49:24
stop coming there so they shut down the business and could in a way he be an indirect customer right like let's say
00:49:33
because he's we can agree on his age he he's a middle-aged man or appears to be could he be somebody that
00:49:44
I don't know purchased a vehicle for their son or daughter and then they went and
00:49:50
took out a loan against the title you don't pay that loan back they come and take your car
00:49:56
could he could he have wanted some kind of Revenge that he's not directly a customer not directly
00:50:04
affected by something the business was doing it it all gets a little it gets very tricky but I think we're
00:50:12
gonna start to see some leads here now kind of wrapping up on the victimology here a little bit in regards to Chelsea
00:50:19
herself uh you brought up the the ex-boyfriend it's my understanding that since 2013 he has had custody of both of
00:50:28
the children and her mother and her sister so she has uh her parents were separated at some
00:50:37
point and her mother remarried so unfortunately she left behind a sister mother step father father and
00:50:46
um some stepsisters but her sister and more so her mother Debbie Cayman have been the loudest voices to keep this
00:50:54
case alive and the most visible of the family to keep this case alive again the ex-boyfriend Rick fairly the father of
00:51:05
the children has answered questions and done interviews publicly so he's not hiding or ducking from anyone I've been
00:51:12
told by detectives that he was looked at you know you're going to look at anybody
00:51:16
that's close to the victim and he was looked at and it sounds like he's not our guy they don't have
00:51:22
anything to connect him to the case but one thing that's really tricky and so there have been three detectives who
00:51:36
have been up front and center working this case over the last eight years that seems like a lot the case lead has
00:51:42
changed due to retirement but the retired detectives keep a close eye on this case this is a case that's
00:51:50
being worked as a team by the Taylor detective Bureau when I asked the current lead this is
00:51:57
detective Alex delini about the case he said he would put the probability rate of solving this case at
00:52:05
very high so while we're talking about possible motives here because that's the weirdest part of this
00:52:13
case I mean let's say Chelsea knew her killer this guy thought he had some kind of
00:52:19
reason to kill her but why do it there right you would expect anyone with half a brain knows that there's going to be a
00:52:27
camera there yeah but if I do it there and I take a little bit of money I can fuse the whole situation right if I if I
00:52:36
kill her and her car even outside the place and I don't steal her purse or something then
00:52:43
we just know this was about murder and that's it but again for me I understand wanting to kind of confuse
00:52:52
the situation make it look like one crime when really it was all along a whole nother crime right but I don't
00:53:01
know that I love the risk of being caught on camera doing anything or the potential of encountering another
00:53:12
customer or another staff member yeah but if also if it was a hit that's and I don't know why
00:53:22
this mother or two would want somebody would put a hit out on her but it's better to do it there
00:53:31
because you're you're not gonna have the kids around I agree of course but again not wanting
00:53:39
people around we know there's going to be a camera it just seems to me like you could have
00:53:43
found a space a place a time where you could have you could have caught her alone
00:53:51
and done it then and there and not had to worry about any type of camera at all now one very tricky
00:53:58
variable in this case is that if somebody was planning this out well Chelsea was covering for
00:54:06
another staff member that Tuesday and some of the reports state that it may have been a little bit of a last
00:54:13
minute not a very last minute but a little bit of a last minute change the most detailed report of this I could
00:54:19
find says that it was a few days before the day of the homicide that she signed up for this shift
00:54:28
so what is not in question is she's 100 covering that shift for another team member on that day that she's killed so
00:54:36
this is not Chelsea's regularly scheduled work day this is out of her routine the change it sounds like came at
00:54:44
Chelsea's request you know you trade shifts with someone when you need a day off
00:54:50
Chelsea took a day off to celebrate her son's fifth birthday this was just a few
00:54:55
days prior to the incident again how many people did she tell how many people would have known that
00:55:02
then you have to wonder Captain does that mean if this person working that day was the intended target of a
00:55:12
homicide was this man who acted so calm and callous so he's every he's every part of the definition of a
00:55:22
cold-blooded killer was he targeting somebody else when he walked into the Advance America that day
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