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[Applause] [Music] all right I we're we're now different we're different we're used to be the same and
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Frank shut up the garage do he's very aggressive well well he's short for one and then he's
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uhh you know he's just uh anytime he hears something I mean I think it's a good thing I mean if he hears a car pull
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up mm he starts he starts barking right we we have that's the alarm system uh that's always on whether we're here or
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not he is uh he he he is here to notify us hey there's something going on outside of the G
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it's of no importance at all he'll bite you but it won't hurt um cuz I think he's afraid to fully bite so let me
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before we get into anything let me tell you this I should have told you this before we flipped on the microphones but
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you're the one of very few people that I think will have an appreciation for this
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the way that I do so I've been saving this for you but um there is a bar that I go to it's a small little bar he's
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already told this to like 10 people and um they have a handful of pinball machines uhhuh okay they got The Adams
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Family one which is surprisingly good for how old it is they have the Metallica One you know so many people
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will know this there's a a fad going on right now where they're taking a lot of the old bands and they're making pinball
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machines with their name and likeness and all that good stuff and their music on there too which is cool like you'll
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get a random song as you're playing right and a lot of the things on the pinball game itself will have to do with
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their songs and Records throughout the years so I've played many of these different band ones you know a band that
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was not my favorite band um nowhere near my favorite band but I think they got the best pinball machine is Iron Maiden
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oh there you go they they have the Iron Maiden pinball game at the Brew Dog Brewery well isn't that special well
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this is that's not I'm getting sidetracking myself here but that small bar that I go
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to I was there on Friday evening and I was sampling some beers I think I sent you a picture or two they had uh they
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they had some new beers that they I'd never had before and I was tasting them there and the owners happened to be in
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the store and they kind of quieted everybody down and they made an announcement that last year was so good
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and profitable for them that rather than just you know buying a fancy car spending it all on themselves they
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wanted to reward all of the you know patrons that come in all the the very loyal customers that they have yeah
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because we are the ones that made them successful well I mean they they run a good good operation but so as a thank
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you to all the customers they are ordering two new pinball machines all right one is WWE oh which I'm I'm
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curious to see what you know what wrestlers will be you know I I love the Macho Man so I'm hoping Macho Man Macho
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Man Ultimate Warrior the million dooll man's probably my second favorite so I'm hoping he will be on there you and I I
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like Dusty I like Dusty roads once in a while I like the little Dancy does you can make a whole pinball game off the
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dusty roads dance yeah it's dusty road Pinball Wizard but this is one that you will like I I think even more is Primus
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they're getting a Primus pinball machine which I didn't know that they were it I
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am going to your bar to play that I the first round will be on me and and I very
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stoked I you were a much big bigger Primus fan than I was but I I do have a few songs that hold a special place in
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my heart a quick story about the Primus is uh being a bass player so you you have the instrument it wasn't it wasn't
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one of those situations where I wanted to play guitar most PE most bass players stories are well you know I wanted to
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play guitar but they voted for me to play in the you know bass in the band mhm that didn't happen to me I just
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decided I wanted to play the bass and the orchestra and then it was okay well let me get electric bass so that's the
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invol then it was like oh let me try out this guitar thing but so unique in that
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sense but then you had bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers where I just didn't understand them okay you know like I
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don't think they understand them right but it's like but they're good I didn't get like the whole just like funk music
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or anything like it didn't like I thought it was like this is very unique compared to all this other stuff like
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I'd hear them and go that they're the same as like Jane's Addiction but different M but then also I'd lump like
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the BC boys into that category but then I'd lump somebody like primest into that
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category like they're they're they're all so unique that they have to be in own category yeah they don't really fit
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the typical mold of any one genre yeah and I just remember like deciding that I need to
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get into Primus cuz people kept on asking oh so you like Primus and I'm like oh okay well I don't know anything
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about them I need to get them so I bought I believe it was pork soda oh yeah and I listen to it like three or
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four times in a row that day and just the whole time going one I don't understand this I don't get it like I
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don't know what's good about this I don't know if it's good and then your buddy Jerry uh comes down the day I
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bought the disc and I was like Hey Primus he always likes some different stuff you know I love these guys yeah
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and you guys were going cruising around and I said uh he said uh C can I take the
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CD I said sure you guys are going to come back later that night right so I figured I'm
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getting my CD back later that night did you get it was like 2 and a half years later I actually bought another copy you
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replaced it and then uh but then somehow that copy got ruined or something like it like fell underneath a seat in my car
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and got like scratched up and one time at a party or something I I end up seeing Jerry and said hey Jerry uh you
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still got my pork soda CD he's like or or maybe he was like hey man why are you here here's your CD back and it was like
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2 and 1/2 years later but by that point like I was I mean I I I don't think I talked a lot about it with people but in
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my brain like you know people always talk about like um John Mayer told this story one time like when he's on stage
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you know he's not John Mayor in his head okay he's Stevie rayon okay yeah and and
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and for a long time of my planing when I eyes was on stage I was not me I was just my uh impersonation of your bass
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playing Alter Ego was L yeah it would be less clayful yeah there you go yeah so I'm very much looking forward to the
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pinball machine I don't have an arrival date yet they didn't give a date on when
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they would receive them but uh I'm going I am going maybe we will do a little uh
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YouTube video on our phone or something while hey we could do a live podcast from the bar yeah the the colonel
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playing Primus pinball for the very first time yeah I'll be singing along with all the jams too many
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[Music] puppies what are you into I got I love this song called too many puppies um which is I think electric
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grape vine that's one of my favorite Prime songs okay don't quiz me on promise I will fail the quiz oh they're
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they're so good I just big shut up dog probably nobody can hear the Barking but I can hear the bar we can
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hear we'll just talk over him all right so not only does your bar have maybe the
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coolest pinball machine ever mhm I mean cuz like you know like a well they don't
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have it yet air Smith one would be cool or like I really like the airos Smith ACDC or um Guns and Roses has one Guns
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and Roses would be good but but that's very standard yeah you don't expect to see a Primus one is what's going to be
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ex taking it to another level yeah um I have a friend Nolan we we both drove the
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same car in high school and he was a huge Primus fan didn't play baits though that's all what baffled me the most was
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that he didn't play bass like he's maybe the biggest PR fan I've ever met in my life and he doesn't play bass just he
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baffles me um so your bar has a very or is going to have a very cool pinball my bar does not have a cool pinball machine
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but that's not also what makes us different you are on TV so you went from just a podcast host to on TV M and you
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kind of talked about it in one of the other episodes where you talked about being interviewed and going up uh but
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the the show is called the lake eie murders mhm and it's on Discovery ID mhm investigation discover or ID channel for
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short yeah it was um three-part Series so so so here's what's strange it's called the lake
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Eerie murders but it's a series so the first series is a three-part series on the Amy mahalic case mhm and that's the
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episodes you are on so if anybody's looking to see those you appear in out of the three episodes you appear on
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episode number two two and episode number three yep but this is this is true in my in my mind I remember you
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saying I'm going to be interviewed for this thing this Amy mahalic documentary thing mhm but I was 100% convinced that
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it was just this local thing that that that's just it was just going to be something that maybe played
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in The Bay Bay Village area so as the show is approaching and the more we talked about then I was like
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wait this is going to be on ID mhm like that's kind of a big deal mhm but I was still convinced that it
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was supposed to just be a local thing uh and so then I was like okay well he's hasn't made much of a big deal about it
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it's three episodes and then we both been filmed before so we know that you know you could be filmed for 2 hours and
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they only use 2 seconds or maybe n or they don't use you at all yeah so you were kind of being secretive
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about well I held I held back and and actually some of my close friends and even relatives I did receive some
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backlash because they're like hey I heard from somebody else that you're going to be on this thing and so I
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watched it and you it turned out really good you know they wanted to talk about it and I and I had to offer a lot of
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apologies to a few people because like you said it was one of those things I didn't want to tell a bunch of people I
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was going to be on something and then they watch especially finding out it's a three-hour tour and you know hey watch
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this thing I'm going to be on it and then you're not on it you know what kind of what kind of garage [ __ ] do you look
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like right but here's the thing is like so by not trying to look like an arrogant dick face okay you then
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actually end up looking like an arrogant dick face you see what I'm saying oh yeah yeah oh like you didn't mean to cuz
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you're like well I don't want to waste your time I didn't feel good feel that bad about it until now but
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then once they saw it they're like this son of a [ __ ] he he he's doing such cool [ __ ] with his life he can't even
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tell me about it can't even bother to let me know well was what was interesting is
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so I didn't I knew that there was a possibility you're going to be on this thing so I didn't want to like shoot out
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to social media that hey Nick's on this thing again what if you have people watch for three hours and you were kind
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of convinced that you're brought in at the last minute they're not going to use much of you if they use you okay so let
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me kind of take would it be okay if I take you through the process here a little bit I
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mean I don't give a [ __ ] you're the you're the Superstar so let me roll out the red carpet for you want some
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champagne I actually spoke with these people multiple times before we before we filmed anything yeah and I had very
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lengthy phone calls with with many of the persons involved in in the production of this
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documentary the thing though is in the early stages and and actually for the the majority of my involvement with them
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they weren't even certain it was going they were in the beginning they weren't certain they were even going to film
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anything right then they weren't certain if they did film anything if it would ever be on TV you know so it's like I my
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what where I was asked to help in the very beginning was I was contacted by them who said hey we've heard that you
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know your your uh pseudo expert in this in this particular case yeah and we are not from Bay Village we're not from the
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area we are just reaching out to people that seem to know a lot about this case to figure out if there's even enough
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here for a story right you know so I would talk to several different people the cool thing that I did like you know
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cuz you and I have have done and you've done them separately as well but you and
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I have done these together where we talk to TV or podcast or whatever and a lot of
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times we're often speaking to more than one person all at once which which I can't stand because it people talk over
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one another uh ideas get lost in the shuffle so forth and so on but in all these instances I only spoke with one
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person and then they would like kind of Shuffle me to somebody else and I'd speak to a different person on the phone
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the next time and so that part of it was a lot of fun because they're you know they're looking for information and
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angles to tell their story and so that part was great and then when we actually filmed it it was
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filmed near Bay Village so it wasn't you know they didn't come to Columbus to film me uh I drove up to you're not that
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special no what you're trying to say I drove up to Lakewood okay yeah and we filmed it there and at the time cuz your
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your scene looks like the same house as Bill's seen he may have been in the same home
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yeah bill from the what's his uh podcast called uh who killed Amy mahalic which is the name of the docu series as well
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or the the the section of the lake yri murders yeah so to so so to kind of be clear yeah and I this won't be crystal
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clear because I don't 100% Know Myself CU you were drunk but to be clearer the first three episodes are an hour long
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and each one discusses the Abduction the the murder investigation and what's happened sense then in Amy's particular
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case one through three after that it's my understanding that they will do a new case but it will be each case will be a
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singular episode so that's why it's Lake eie murders because there might even be
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some solved cases along the way um that they discuss on the show but you don't think you're not in any of that no I
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never discussed any and and that's why I say this won't be crystal clear because
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I don't know fully what they're doing right um you know they don't need to tell me what they're doing that was my
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only involvement was Amy's case and I'm curious to see which cases they pick because um you know most of them are
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going to take they're all going to take place around the lake eie area yeah there's a chance some of the cases we've
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covered here I mean we covered uh Marilyn Shepard's case yeah and we will be there's something in that might be in
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the works that you and I have kind of planned out with Mr James rener about a Cleveland case right um I don't think
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that one will be in there uh because it's not you know the proximity to Lake Erie is is is pretty far
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but um I'm curious to see what cases they cover because we also covered paully class right did I say your name
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right no no we didn't C no who am I thinking of poly class the the girl that went missing they've never found her and
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remember that they even had um they received that that Ransom note and or a ransom phone call and one of the
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detectives dressed up like her mother to go deliver the oh yeah the money what do
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we and they arrested the guy that they arrested the guy and it turned out he had nothing to do with her they don't
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think he had anything to do with her disappearance but I don't think we could we we definitely didn't call the case by
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her name though may not have been no you know sometimes we get sometimes we call
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them interesting things other sometimes they're called interesting things interesting things featured next next
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week on True Crime garage interesting things part one but so the the filming process nobody else that they were
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filming that day was present when I was there being filmed it was me and all the
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the say and the weird thing is that you can't see on my parts and pieces and I'm
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sure it was the same for the other people involved but you know the camera's facing me and then behind that
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camera is like eight or nine people right like staring at you they got lights on you you can barely see they
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all sitting in different ways they're sitting in different ways but some of them are kind of huddled together like
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yeah and and sometimes you give it an answer and then people start talking you can't hear them but you go I know that
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they're talking about my answer right they're Whispering something to themselves hey hey that's I go hey hey
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hey hey mhm tell tell me what you think but the the thing that was yeah interesting for me is you know you and I
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here in the garage we're in charge of how we do the show what we say what we don't say and what makes it onto the
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show what doesn't make it onto the show well I used to have a say in until um you became a celebrity and during this
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was even during the filming process sometimes they would you know cut uh can you say it can you say don't say that
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like like there's some things that they were just straight up like yeah we don't
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want you to say that and they're like okay well you know which which is my favorite part or don't use a person's
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name that was really the big thing like when you're talking about specific suspects or people in the story and you
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mention their name some sometimes they can't legally put that in there um or they didn't want to risk the legality of
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doing such that was one of the funniest things when we were basically what we did was we shot
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um a pilot but not actually an episode it was just basically a bunch of footage to create almost like a Long Trailer mhm
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they called it a Sizzle reel and that's what they created when they wanted to shop our show as a TV show show mhm and
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we we didn't talk much about that I I think we've talked about it from time to time um I come here from time to time
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mhm um but the best was the the producer and the directors were saying you know we we really want to get across that
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we're trying to solve the cases so I'm behind the camera and and Nick has told me multiple times I'm not comfortable
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doing this I don't really want to do this I don't like the camera and so the camera does not like me I think he was
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first he's like well we'll interview Nick first I'm like okay do do that and so at some point they're they're trying
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to get him to say like you know our goal is to try to solve one of these cases right MH that's all they're trying to
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get him to say they're trying to get him to say with some enthusiasm maybe a little passion and they keep so he says
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something and they say yeah talk more about like how we're going to solve something be a little more aggressive a
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little more and at some point he just yells and we're going to solve all these cases every one of them or something
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like that I don't like yeah go ahead but it was like so like like we already talked to this
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director we already talked to the producer like we we've talked about the fact that chances are when you go to
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cover some of these cases just like we do every week yes we're trying to uncover new information we're trying to
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uncover different ways to look at the case trying to remind the public that this isn't
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right can somebody take this information run with it can we solve something hopefully we can get some more answers
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for the victim's family yes that's what we're trying to do are you going to do that for every case probably not you
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know that's just the reality of it MH and so the fact that like we already kind of talked about this you know we
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got to be realistic we're probably not going to solve all the cases but if we can shed light on them we're doing a
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good thing and to see you just like screaming at the camera we're going to solve all these cases says and get those
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bastards or something and uh and then the producer sort of looked at me and she was like you know we're not going to
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solve all the cases we need scale that back I'm like yeah I I know we're not going to yeah that day I when we filmed
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that I I think I even pulled you aside and I was like look man uh I could do this if I had about three
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beers in a smoke like I was um I one cuz I we're filming inside a barn and they the whole production crew was
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inside the barn mhm and we're outside the barn mhm as you're you're like I'm nervous I was like thinking why are you
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nervous like well I'm it's just a camera I'm someone that it it's less about the
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camera and more about yeah the structure of the way we do things like so sometimes and this can
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be heard on some of our shows and often it's edited out but we have certain materials in front of us we have certain
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things available at our fingertips here and when you turn on the camera you you don't have those things available to you
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they nobody wants to see some guy uh hiding behind a piece of paper that has his notes on it so I I I don't know if
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those notes are a crutch or whatever you want to call that but it's it is some kind of security blanket for me where I
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you know because a lot of our stories involve very detailed information dates places names and that stuff gets jumbled
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up in my little uh bird brain sometimes right and yeah so anyway but that that's
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where that's why the camera makes me feel uncomfortable because I can't use that crutch we're going to solve them
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all so here's the other thing so Lake Erie murders that episode came out what the 30th yeah so Sunday night well well
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let me just finish this part so I'm I'm sitting in my recliner I get through there's three episodes so I get through
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the first one and I decide this is interesting and this is it's very well put together it's very well done so I go
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I'm just going to watch the the next two and by the way Nick's not in the first one so then I go okay well I gota I got
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to keep watching for his part but after the first one I went okay I've seen all the major players C rener in there we
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see Bill we see the family I go okay maybe Nick's just cut out of all this right so I have a buddy that's watching
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it my buddy Morgan he's watching at the same time I end up falling asleep in my recliner cuz
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it's like that's what happens you you push the button and comfort zone puts you in the comfort zone and you and you
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fall asleep and so then I wake up and look at my phone and the text message is wait Nick's in this
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oh my God you didn't tell me Nick was in this oh he was going to watch it anyway
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and didn't know that cuz he's recently got really into the Amy mahalic case and I'm like a it's going to be on uh so
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then I have to rewind about halfway through the second episode Here Comes you popping up on the screen uh Nick
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from True Crime garage or Nick True Crime garage podcast host or something like that I was like oh that's cool and
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that was my request by the way I told them they if they used my Voice or my face at any point it had to say True
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Crime garage on the screen yeah that's okay right well my first thought was we're going to be
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billionaires everybody that come all these people that are watching the show right now are going to listen to us and
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we're going to become billionaires no um well the my first thought was oh cool he made it you know
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because you spend this time doing work and and doing these interviews and for them not to use you and then they kept
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on using you in cool ways like they they'd cut to the scene and You' just hear your voice leading into it yeah and
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then they'd show you for a second and then probably like 10 minutes into when you were being shown I was like oh there
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he is again there oh there he is again and I thought well well now he's a lot bigger
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uh part of this documentary and so you're a lot bigger part in the second part and then also they show you a bunch
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in the third part as well uh so and crazy thinking about this somebody that you know five years ago is just studying
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this case as a hobby and then to end up on a national uh publicized uh TV program as an expert of
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the case I mean that's pretty pretty pretty awesome I'm not going to lie to you I got more excited receiving the
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phone calls from them than the actual filming portion of it or or even the release of it like that felt like a
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bigger pat on the back for me um but so but here's the other thing too in regards to it came out December 30th
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Sunday night we I had already filmed that interview before we even did crime con last year and we did crime con what
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June or May uh yeah may I think yeah so it by the time it came out it I had almost kind of for I didn't forget about
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it but you know probably forgot how well well you did or didn't do I I actually it I also didn't know how good it was
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going to turn out because I've seen some of these true crime documentaries and they're terrible and I've seen other
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ones that are fantastic some are brilliant some are [ __ ] yeah and I think the I think the final product was very
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good and then regarding my portion of the filming I knew fairly well what they wanted me to talk about in advance just
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a couple days beforehand they they they sent me that information um you know here's a laundry
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list of things we're hoping to have time enough to speak with you about well the
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overwhelming majority of all those items were things that happened in the case and in the story after was found or
00:28:59
around the time her body was found which was for those of that watched they know
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that it was months later right so that's part of the reason why you don't see me
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in any portion of the first uh episode first hour was because we didn't you know I wasn't asking any questions about
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that portion of the case right yeah a lot of people on social media would why weren't you on the show I just thought
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uh I they didn't ask me to you know but then I thought but I'm not um I I'm not and never would I claim to be uh a crime
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expert not that you would run around claiming that you were but I wouldn't claim that ever but because but
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regarding Amy's case I will say this and I and I and people can think this is smug or whatever but [ __ ] him I do I do
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feel very strongly that I know quite a bit more about the case than the average citizen even the average Bay Village
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citizen right and but guess what in the end chicken butt when when they when they finally solve this thing a lot of
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that information that I know or that I've read about and researched over the years is probably useless information
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and we know that from doing our show there's you know we'll talk about a case for two hours and a lot of different
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speculation along the way some of those cases ended up being solved and some of them yeah there good speculation
00:30:28
involved and there was also things that at the time may have seemed important but when you get the final answer the
00:30:34
final solution you find out it had nothing to do with the actual case right yeah no but I think it was cool and oh
00:30:42
is is like I said it's put together very well and it's such an interesting case and the fact that there is so many uh
00:30:52
suspects and they do it in a in a good way but it's also a little annoying because
00:30:58
you hear about a suspect and that since they don't give names to dive more into that angle it's kind of hard to do you
00:31:05
have to do more research to figure out who they're actually talking about and then dive in that way but um no I
00:31:13
thought it was really well put together and and and not not saying that I'm not that I'd ever if somebody ever called me
00:31:21
a crime expert well I'd think well at some point we've done we did enough episodes that you could call me that
00:31:29
we're we're more of a true crime podcast expert than a than a crime expert yes and
00:31:37
uh but but yeah I don't I don't know if I'll ever but if you need somebody to talk about
00:31:47
crime there's nobody on this planet that can flap their gums and circle around and beat around
00:31:56
bushes of nonsense more than these two guys and I will challenge anybody you [ __ ] want to test
00:32:05
me I will I will make this show go 247 all right I will talk to you that is 2 24
00:32:13
minutes seven times a week 247 no no seriously I remember the one time we're about ready to record for
00:32:25
OJ and we're like oh are we going to be a able to talk for three episodes I think that was the
00:32:33
question mhm and we end up spending like 4 and a half five hours on the phone that's right cuz we had never done had
00:32:40
we even done a double we had done double episodes by that point I think but three
00:32:45
seemed like a lot of heavy lifting and you're right we got on the phone over the one night in one night
00:32:52
didn't we talk for like 4 hours on the phone yeah it was almost 5 hours and I'm I remember thinking [ __ ] we should have
00:32:57
just recorded this we should start recording these things it it would make the other work a little easier but back
00:33:05
to the the Amy case so and this is a credit to investigation discovery and the producers and director and and everybody
00:33:15
involved and I I don't think people understand how many people had to have been involved in this for them to put
00:33:21
together this story this True Crime Story and a credit to them is as someone who has followed the case for so many
00:33:32
years and and tried to digest everything I can get my hands on and and and research this case it was interesting
00:33:41
for me to watch it and actually learn a couple of things that I didn't know so that that's a credit to them um I it was
00:33:48
interesting too discredit to you mark mahalic yeah said that there was a couple things he was even unaware of and
00:33:58
his only criticism of the the documentary was he felt that there were so many people in his life
00:34:08
especially his at his work and in his business that that supported him through that very very difficult time that and
00:34:18
and unfortunately it will always be a difficult time for Mark but he he wished that the documentary would have brought
00:34:25
up some of those people and said hey you know the these are the people that helped the family get through this right
00:34:32
these are these are you know his and he speaks very highly in the newspapers of his employer saying you know they they
00:34:38
were helping out with the reward money they were being accommodating to me during the this time in my life yeah and
00:34:46
you know he basically says I could I don't know that if I I could have gone on without the support system of the
00:34:52
community their friends family and their businesses their employers at the time he he says I don't know if I could have
00:34:58
made it through there and so that's interesting to hear and and kudos to mark for not forgetting those people
00:35:04
that helped him get you know on to carry on right um I I did read an article that
00:35:13
came out in a Cleveland newspaper and I I should have put this in my notes because I hate to say Cleveland
00:35:17
newspaper not reference their exact name but right that the article came out on Thursday or Friday so just days after
00:35:26
the airing of the show and they said that they've received 50 tips regarding the case so you're talking about a case
00:35:34
that's 1989 1990 you know abduction in ' 89 body found in 90 all these years later there's still some tips that come
00:35:42
in because of this and that's just within days I wonder what that number is up to now uh the other but one thing to
00:35:49
keep in mind and I don't mean to kind of set something up that sounds so very positive and then tear it down so
00:35:55
quickly but you do have I think it was was spel uh the the police chief up in Bay
00:36:01
Village he did say yes we received a bunch of of tips which is they're very thankful for and they have always said
00:36:07
they believe that solving this case will come from the public right he did he did
00:36:12
want to voice that some of these tips that they've received are not technically new ones right they're um
00:36:20
people contacting them that they've spoke to in the past um but he didn't say all of them aren't new so there is
00:36:27
some light at the end of the tunnel well and some of the people are watching the
00:36:30
document docu series and saying hey uh they left out this little detail about this guy mhm and then they calling up
00:36:38
and going hey you forgot this detail and they're going yeah yeah yeah we know about that so that's probably a lot of
00:36:44
the the tips that they're getting and the best thing that you know among some other things but one really good thing
00:36:50
that the documentary will do and that you know we have done on our shows dat lined up does it 2020 does it other True
00:37:00
Crime podcasts do it one of what I think is the best thing is to remind people that it's unsolved you know we talked
00:37:07
about this you and I have both voiced this many times over and over again especially in the Brian Schaefer case
00:37:13
that we you know we live in the town where he went missing from right and we would hear rumors on the streets in bars
00:37:19
and restaurants talk to people that would go yeah they found that guy yeah or oh yeah they solved that thing he was
00:37:25
on vacation right and and the thing to is you wouldn't know if they're telling the truth or not right I mean you just
00:37:31
go what they found him and then because you're into crimes and you're into cases
00:37:37
you go home and you do a little searching and then you realize they didn't find him yeah the reminder of
00:37:43
cases being unsolved I think is a huge thing because it gets lost through o through the years that go by people just
00:37:50
assume sometimes that something has been solved or they hear a bad rumor or bad information and they think case is
00:37:58
solved that it that it in fact still needs the Public's help yeah and when you assume you make get ass out of you
00:38:05
and me you know so we shouldn't assume one thing that's weird though um and I think this is an appropriate place to
00:38:16
address this I wanted to address this at some point so all right we'll just throw
00:38:21
it out there but Ted lamborgine was not discussed on the documentary and there has been a lot of talk um some
00:38:32
Rumblings by people I know and people I've spoken to that question we brought up Ted lamourine in the Oakland County
00:38:41
child killing case and yeah he was later found in the Greater Cleveland area many
00:38:50
years after the fact he's been a he's he's a suspect in my mind in the Oakland County child killing case case and
00:38:58
proximity would put him in the area at the time of Amy Mahal's abduction and murder um I'm not saying he's the guy
00:39:08
but I find it interesting that all these years later I really feel like there's bit
00:39:15
bits of a Grassroots movement to include him as a viable suspect in the Amy mahalic case and the thought being that
00:39:26
maybe he wasn't her abductor or murderer but if he was involved in the Oakland child killing case Oakland County case
00:39:35
right that it very well possibly could have been a ring of individuals that carried out those murders yeah and if so
00:39:44
did that ring when the heat was turned up did they move from that area and go elsewhere now did they go to uh Johnny
00:39:52
gosh land did they go to Amy mahalic land did they go you know what I mean there
00:39:57
Jacob W wling well we we caught that guy but but I see what you're saying I see what you're saying could he have have
00:40:05
known any individuals that were um involved in anything so I do want to throw that out there and you and I have
00:40:12
talked about revisiting some cases and Amy's case has always been on that list and because we feel like yeah we we
00:40:22
covered it but we really covered James renner's version of the what went down yeah we never really covered I don't
00:40:29
think what my my thoughts and feelings 100% your thoughts and feelings 100% um so that that should be on the short list
00:40:38
of cases to probably reexamine at some point yeah uh and then we could really dive into the Ted lamine connection if
00:40:46
there is one and uh but I think what we do for now is I think we Let the Smoke Clear a little bit this documentary came
00:40:54
out they did a good job see what see what materializes from this well and to be clear this happened in Cleveland but
00:41:03
her her body was [Music] found quite a ways away from that area right yeah Ashlin County Ashlin County
00:41:11
and so how far of a distance was that I mean you might not know exactly off the top of your head well remember I drove
00:41:17
from the shopping plaza where she was last seen to the dump site and it it's about a 50 55 minute drive from point A
00:41:27
to point B right now obviously she was taken somewhere else in between all of that but that you know should give you I
00:41:35
don't know mileage how many miles exactly it is I'm sure you as the crow flies I'm sure you could get there a lot
00:41:41
faster than 50 55 minutes right because it's a lot of uh zigzagging around and it really is out in the middle of
00:41:48
nowhere I mean that's the the simplest way to describe that area where her body was found uh I'm going to just since
00:41:55
we're on this topic I just want to hit this for about a couple minutes M okay so Sasha Baron Cohen you know yeah the
00:42:04
the uh actor writer Bor Borat Borat the NASA Nas the is oh n ni very nice I hope
00:42:15
this stupid thing doesn't play automatic thought he exposed a pedophile ring while filming who is America yeah so the
00:42:23
he's so basically what happens this is the story that just came out I think December 22nd late December okay um so
00:42:33
just recent and but what here's what I I'm I'm bringing it up for a reason okay so he um speaking to
00:42:43
deadline Cohen explained that uh when he was filming under the disguise of Italian
00:42:51
Playboy Gio uh morondo for a skit there in Las Vegas and so he is playing a character and he's quite convincing with
00:43:05
and right and the whole idea is that he's playing a character but he's not letting the person know that he's
00:43:11
talking to that he's in character they think he's a real person they think that's his real personality that's his
00:43:17
that's what he looks like that's his likeness that's his personality right so he's he's Gio the Italian Playboy and
00:43:24
he's in Las Vegas and he's talking into a hotel coner okay uh and then the conversation became very disturbing so
00:43:35
it says why we're shooting um some of this is at the time of all the Harvey Weinstein stuff he
00:43:43
said we wanted to investigate how does someone like Harvey Weinstein get away with doing what get away with
00:43:51
this um victimizing people right and uh the network that surrounds somebody like
00:43:59
this person so we decided that Gio would interview this coner and Las Vegas well
00:44:06
during the interview uh I revealed that basically uh Gio has molested an 8-year-old
00:44:16
boy so he's he he's acting like he's in real life and he's kind of tossing it out there that his character that he's
00:44:24
playing has molested an 8-year-old boy to the concierge right now mind you this is Extreme
00:44:31
comedy and we thought that the guy would leave the room hey you know I'm display
00:44:37
boy but hey I molested this 8-year-old boy and then the coner would be like well [ __ ] you dude and leave the room
00:44:45
instead the coner stays in the room and I go listen you got to help me get rid of the
00:44:51
problem here is um here is where Cohen explains that conier gave him advice on how to silence the child with talk um
00:45:04
with even talk about murder continue the guy starts advising Gio the character how to get rid of the issue uh they even
00:45:14
at one point um again talked about murdering the boy and um my God what hotel is this and then the coner is just
00:45:24
saying well listen I'm really sorry and in this country uh we can't just drown the boy
00:45:32
this is America we don't do that and then in the end he puts him in touch with a lawyer who can silence the boy
00:45:42
and then also at some point he I think he also explains to the guy that um oh something like where they can silence
00:45:55
the boy but also that he can get get him other boys and so he uh Cohen and his team of producers immediately handed
00:46:03
their footage over to the FBI who Cohen says decided not to pursue it he added he thought perhaps there's a p pedophile
00:46:13
ring in Las Vegas that is operating for these very wealthy men um and also uh I I think there at some point it was
00:46:25
not only could they get rid of the boy but they could find boys for him if he wanted them but when they say get rid of
00:46:32
the boy it almost sounds like they're I'm confused because my first thought is like or silence him kill the
00:46:39
boy silence the boy get rid of the boy but then the coner says we don't kill people it sounds like what do you do you
00:46:44
pay off the kid or something is that what he's hinting at maybe they get a lawyer involved and they sign an
00:46:50
agreement they pay them and then the boy can't bring charges I guess and but that
00:46:56
wouldn't stick because just cuz you got paid off from a lawsuit that's civil that's not criminal
00:47:03
so I don't know it's very weird story and I don't think it's that strange that the
00:47:08
FBI here's what the FBI did the FBI took the information then they go and then they tell going you know we don't know
00:47:15
if we're going to pursue it or not right right that's what they say on everything
00:47:19
right we'll take a look into it mhm whatever they gave him they're looking to I mean that's what that's what makes
00:47:26
the FBI so [ __ ] gangster as they just go yeah we're probably not going to pursue it and they probably got a bunch
00:47:34
of people now undercover in Vegas trying to crack this thing well that you're right gangster and what's cool about
00:47:42
that is that they don't really have a lot of people that they have to answer to a lot of organizations that they have
00:47:48
to answer to and then even the ones that they do have to answer to a lot of the stuff that they're doing is happening
00:47:56
under under the cloak of Darkness you know so to speak you know they we don't know everything that they're doing or
00:48:02
everything that they're not doing so um but that's what makes it so gangster like ah yeah we might not pursue this
00:48:09
and what would be great is if there is a ring out there if there is a group doing
00:48:16
this terrible stuff what would be great is I feel like if you got one of them and you got hardcore evidence on one of
00:48:24
them I don't think it'd be very until they start talking and you can easily grab effect yeah make make a big a big
00:48:33
arrest who we what's up with that and then you know what that would mean can I should say I don't know got him well
00:48:43
wasn't that me Sasha Sasha Baron Cohen would have solved a real crime yeah but Okay but well actually not him Gio
00:48:51
solved the right right Gio the Italian Playboy but just the about this for a second okay mhm just one little
00:49:01
second he gets this information because their character they think it's funny to
00:49:07
go extreme and say yes I I molested a 8-year-old boy MH so could you imagine here's what's funny about Sasha
00:49:18
is when he is on one of his characters hilarious but I've also seen him in interviews where he's super
00:49:26
serious mhm so he had to put on his super serious face go down to the FBI with the evidence and say oh yeah and by
00:49:35
the way the joke that started all this conversation was that I molested a 8-year-old boy but here's what you know
00:49:43
for sure is that he did not molest 8-year-old boy because if there was any skeletons in his closet they would have
00:49:52
dug him up he would have never gave this information to the bi yeah and he and and he wouldn't be um around in the
00:50:01
public to to have this article that came out but could you imagine like the FBI agent oh Sasha thank you and he said
00:50:10
what to him that you molested 8-year-old boy yeah can we turn on the cameras please
00:50:16
and and you and you and you thought this was funny right you think this is funny
00:50:22
Sasha no but I um I've always liked his work and and you got applaud a guy for at least trying to do what he thought
00:50:30
was the right thing M and that would again like I said it take a lot to come forward because you have to then start
00:50:35
with I made this joke that you're definitely not going to find funny right so Sasha the garage we salute you and
00:50:45
your effort to bring down evil cheers mate [Applause]