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foreign [Music] along with Council for the defendant both sides ready to proceed has been
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brought to my attention that the jury has reached the verdict State the state's ready to proceed wrong defense
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defense is ready to those in the gallery please do not express any signs of approval or disapproval upon the reading
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of the verdict let's return the jury state recognize the president of the jury and does the defense yes sir we do
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good afternoon ladies and gentlemen the jury have you reached the verdict would you hand the verdict form to the
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court Deputy please will the defendant rides along with Council Madam clerk you may publish the verdicts
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Court for the 9th judicial circuit and in for Orange County Florida State of Florida
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versus Casey Marie Anthony as to case number 2008 cf-15606-0 as to the charge of first-degree murder
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verdict s to count one we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated at Orlando Orange County Florida
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on this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated child
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abuse verdict does to count two near the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all did it at Orlando Orange
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County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated
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manslaughter of a child verdict is to count three we the jury fund the defendant not guilty so say we all dated
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at Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 sign for person as to the charge of providing false
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information to a law enforcement officer verged as to count four we the jury find the defendant guilty of
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providing false information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the indictment
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so say we all dated Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person
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that's to the charge of providing false information to law enforcement officer verdictus to count five
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we the jury fund the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the
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indictment so say we all dated Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July
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2011 sign for person as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer
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verdictus to count six we the jury from the defendant not give I'm sorry we the jury find the defendant
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guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officers charged in the indictment so say we all dated
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Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing false
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information to a law enforcement officer verdictus to count seven we the jury fund and defendant guilty of providing
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false information to a law enforcement officers charged in the indictment so say we all dated Orlando Orange County
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Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person Madam Clark you may call a jury
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[Music] July 5th 2011 only after 10 hours and 40 minutes of deliberation the jury acquits
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Casey Anthony a first degree murder aggravated manslaughter and aggravated child abuse but convicts her of all four
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misdemeanor charges of giving false information to law enforcement officers so the jury didn't hold Casey Anthony
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responsible for Kaylee's death at all in any manner two days later Judge Perry sentences Casey Anthony to one year in
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county jail and one thousand dollars in fines for each of the four misdemeanor counts of providing false information to
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Law Enforcement Officers the judge orders all sentences to run consecutive to each other with credit for time
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served based on three years credit for time served plus additional credit for good behavior her release date is set
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for July 17 2011. now Judge Perry announces that he will not release the jurors names for at
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least seven days saying that some people have disagreed with their verdict and would like to take something out on them
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like maybe like a sharp kick to the crotch well we would learn later that several of the jurors would say that
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they had received death threats after the trial took place all August 10 2011 the Florida Department of Child and
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Family Services releases a report concluding that Casey Anthony failed to protect Kaylee and that Casey's actions
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or lack of actions resulted in the death of the child so I mean yeah but what does that matter it's after the fact it
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actually really legally it doesn't matter at all has very little legal relevance well the FBI did a pretty
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interesting test you were talking about yeah and this was something that we failed to get to yesterday there was so
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much jam-packed in that show we went through so much information that this kind of just got swept under well not
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swept under the rug lost in the shuffle we should say but there was an interesting test the FBI conducted and
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this was a paternity test and they tested George and Lee Casey's father and brother and the thing here is the first
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thought that the FBI had was that if she was in fact sexually abused by either of
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these people that one of them could have been the father so they do the paternity test there was
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some more thought going into this than just that though and I found this to be pretty interesting regarding Lee her
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brother the suspicion was that the name Kaylee was a combination of Casey and Lee that she knew that her brother was
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the father and that she was you know naming the child after the both of them well that'd be really sick yes in in
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both of those tests that were negative George is not the father Lee is not the father of Kaylee uh We've we've heard
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who Casey says is the is the father a reminder she says that it was a either a man that had been killed in a vehicle
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accident so we can't confirm if he's the actual father the other thing that she had stated to her lawyers into her
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defense team and I believe her family as well is that at a a party that she may have gotten drunk and the child was
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concerned received that night right now I think there's a few different versions
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of that story depending on who she's talking to Casey's stories are better known as the troll Tales well in one of
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those versions at least one of those is that she was at this party and somebody may have put something in her drink and
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had sex with her against her will yeah and that's how the child was conceived right or the guy had to put something in
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his drink just to get through the process the old one for you too for me on July 13 2011 Texas equisearch which
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assisted in the search for Kaylee sues Casey Anthony for the cost of the search and I will cycle back to this in a
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little bit because there's quite a bit more story there but following our timeline on July 17 2011 Casey Anthony
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is released from jail at 12 10 a.m and she doesn't initially go home to her parents house she never goes back there
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she can't after the the allegations that she threw out at trial right and and then the hurt I I look I I think she
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knew based on what her mom and dad were saying that they felt that there was some guilt there and she just didn't
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want to deal with them anymore so it's now I'm out of jail to start a new life and she goes to live with a defense
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attorney she's there for a little bit and then she goes to this kindly Church Retreat woman's thing and she gets all
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religious but it's because all that stuff is because she's broke right right and she's she's about to get more broke
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because judge Belvin Perry rules that Casey Anthony must pay for the cost of the sheriff's search for Kaylee Anthony
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yeah well I mean when you say oh my daughter's been missing for 31 days and people start searching for your daughter
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uh you were lying right right well yeah you come out at trial and say well she wasn't missing and she sued by the uh
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well not sued but she's ruled that she has to pay the sheriff's department over two hundred thousand dollars now we talk
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talked about her being sued by Texas equisearch and I'm not sure that we have discussed Texas equiseearch before on
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this show yeah we talked about him I I thought so we we may have because they're they specialize in searching for
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missing persons sometimes organizing the searches sometimes assisting but always
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working with law enforcement and they have done a lot of really good work over the years thankfully locating many of
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the adults and children that they have been looking for over the years and finding a lot of them alive a big we
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like your jib to all those volunteers Tim Miller is equiseurch's director and founder and he founded the search and
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rescue organization in 2000 this was after the abduction and murder of his daughter Laura Laura is one of the
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victims in the three decades old Texas Killing Fields murders Texas equiseearch moved into the area to assist for the
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search of Kaylee Anthony this was November 8th and November 9th of 2008 just a little over a month before her
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body was found right and this is an expensive operation to come in there and look for somebody and now that we get to
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trial and she states well the girl was never missing I just let all these people spend all this money looking for
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her anyway uh he wants and his company wants some of that money back and rightfully so yeah [ __ ] better have my
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money pay me what you want me now Casey would also be sued by Zenaida Gonzalez remember she there is a real person out
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there named Zenaida Gonzalez and she lives in Florida she doesn't know anything about Casey Anthony or Kaylee
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Anthony she never babysat maybe even a day in her life who knows right but because this name was smeared all over
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the news by Casey stating that zany The Nanny took her daughter well she's going
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to come after her in court as well and sue her for defamation now this case ends up just being kind of thrown out
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and doesn't really go anywhere but Casey's still going to have to face the judge's ruling of paying the sheriff's
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department for this searches as well as the lawsuit by Texas equisearch and this
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is going to lead Casey Anthony into bankruptcy she's going to file for bankruptcy and she won't have to pay
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either of them back right but during the bankruptcy trial that we're going to have a bunch of depositions that come up
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that some red flags and really she's kind of out of the Limelight at this point but this is a case that I think
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the media keeps going back to and trying to dig up more stuff it's kind of very similar to me like JonBenet Ramsey right
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always going back to always trying to dig up some little other nugget well and of course they've got they being the
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media has to flock to this bankruptcy hearing because well there's players that were involved in the investigation
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and they want to hear what maybe what nuggets might fall out of those trees that didn't fall out during the original
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trial now that the uh the smoke is cleared let's say and one of those individuals is a man by the name of
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Dominic Casey now he according to ID and I mean ID the the channel the the TV channel
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um they they were their words are that he worked for the defense team during the trial and during the course of this
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uh he basically stated what that Casey was paying Jose Baez for her defense with
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sexual favors the troll tax there was supposed to be a TV appearance yeah a press conference
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and she didn't want to go she didn't want to do it so last minute and she was going to get paid for it now the reason
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why it was set up by Baez was because she needed to pay for his services so I'll set this thing up we're gonna get a
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little bit of money for it that goes towards your payment of what you owe me well and your defense too because you're
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gonna have to bring in experts that you will have to pay for their time in their
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expert opinions yeah but the overall service of what Baez is bringing you so when he sets that up for you and he
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cancel then that's one makes him look bad I think it kind of makes you look bad and
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then there's no money coming in so this this uh private investigators claimed that bias said to her over the phone
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well now you owe me three blow jobs now to me the devil's always in the detail if he does stated you owe me
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[ __ ] or you owe me whatever it it doesn't hold as much weight as when somebody says you owe me three blow
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jobs that's a very more detailed statement the other claims that he made makes that is when he went to their
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offices that he saw Casey running out of bias's office naked yeah he also claims
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that he spoke to Casey about this and she stated to him that well she was broke and she had to pay him for the
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defense somehow um here's here's a quick thing here though Captain I want to point out even
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though the ID Network States very clearly that Dominic Casey worked for the defense during the trial first of
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all that's a very incorrect statement okay Dominic Casey did work for the defense he at no time during the course
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of the trial worked for the defense okay let's be very clear about that what took
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place the relationship between Jose Baez and Dominic Casey is this Dominic Casey
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is a private investigator he is he's a well-known private investigator he's been doing it for many years well when
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this case came up he presented himself to Jose Baez and he said you know what I would like to work on the defense team
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as an investigator he's offering to work for Jose Baez now Jose Baez is telling Dominic Casey at the time look first of
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all this defense does not have a lot of money we we can't afford a private investigator of your level right area so
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Dominic Casey says well I will do this pro bono and work for the defense and he does so for a while not very long
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because at some point Baez and him are not getting along and so Baez decides to release Dominic Casey of working for the
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defense now what happens is Dominic Casey he so badly wants to be involved in this case what does he do he then
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goes to Casey Anthony's parents George and George and Cindy and says you know what I know you guys have an attorney
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and it's not Jose Baez they had their own attorney Conway and he goes to them and says you should
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probably have your own private investigators as well because Kaylee had not been found by this point
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and so he says I will work for George and Cindy Anthony pro bono as your private investigator now how do we know
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that this is true other than Jose Baez saying this well we know from the court transcripts remember when Cindy was
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called to testify and they wanted to know if she in fact sent her private investigators to search the area where
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Kaylee Anthony was found one month before she was found and she disputed that well what private investigators
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were we talking about we were talking about Dominic Casey which the court transcripts describe him as working for
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Cindy and George Anthony at that time this is November before the body is found I don't know how long that he
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worked for Baez but he didn't work for Baez anytime close to the trial starting he
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didn't work for her or for him before the body was found so let's be clear about that it makes it it sounds a
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little more it sounds a little more like a legit claim when they state that he worked for the defense during the course
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right right and the other claim that is kind of weird to me is he's saying that from the get-go we were never looking
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for a lot for Kaylee to be alive we always just assumed that she was dead and we were looking for the dead body
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meanwhile that's what we're looking for but we're telling everybody else that we're going
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to find her yeah I get that and and I see what you're getting at because that presents itself as as the defense knew
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in the beginning that we took we are to be looking for not a missing girl but a dead girl and the problem I have with
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that Captain I I don't I don't dispute that statement I believe I believe he was out there looking for a body not a
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missing person and I think that maybe he might have even been sent out by the defense to do so but he's also a private
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investigator he's going to conduct his own investigation within what the confines of what he's told to do by the
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defense what I mean by that and the reason why I don't dispute it and I don't think this is any should be
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anything negative towards the defense because Jose Baez says very early in this case when when he took this thing
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on he said that immediately he thought you know what I'm going to defend this woman that is involved in a missing
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child case that could very soon turn into a a homicide case right he stated that from the get-go and second of all
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he also said that early in the defense the first several weeks that he knew Casey Anthony he could tell that she was
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not being honest with him because she didn't trust him and so he was not believing anything that she said at the
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time so yes they might have been looking for a missing girl they were probably also looking for for a body now the
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thing I want to throw in here though too is that Dominic Casey also claims that he is the one that came up with the
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theory and presented it to Jose Baez that Kaylee drowned in the family swimming pool
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he says he came up with that theory why because he said that he noticed from pictures of the Anthony Holm that the
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latter was still up in the pool now I'll tell you what I'm not going to credit Dominic Casey
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with the other statements because a lot of those other statements I don't believe but I do believe that he
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probably found the picture with the ladder still up in the pool I do believe maybe he presented that to Jose Baez as
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a possible defense but here but here again don't damn me for looking for a body when you're out
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there and at the same time saying well maybe she drowned in the pool sounds to me like he's looking for a body as well
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furthermore before she was found this took place in November though Dominic Casey was sent by the Anthony parents by
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Casey Anthony's parents to look for a body in the same area where the body was found now the other thing here is we
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have a situation where this guy is a bit scorned right he was not only released by Jose Baez but during the course of
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the Casey Anthony trial it's presented in trial that look you have these so-called very competent private
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investigators out searching the very area where the body was found and they couldn't find it you know so it kind of
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discredits the whole private investigator kind of discredits him in his profession and I think he
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felt a little burned by that I think that I think he might have had some some thoughts on some things and decided
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to present them as possible things that he thought he heard or thought that he saw
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um I I just I look where I have a problem with it is I don't see I just don't see this happening you know
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what I mean I I feel like here's here's where the breakdown begins you have this
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private investigator and when he first comes out all these statements that they're making initially oh well she
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paid for her defense team and sex it almost seems like this private investigator is a champion for Kaylee
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right that's what this is all about oh this guy's a good guy but then where maybe you don't believe those statements
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that you know she was uh giving blow jobs to pay for her defense if you don't believe those statements
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then don't believe the next statements because the next statements were like guess what I'm the one that came up with
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the defense that did such a good job to get this crazy psychopath off and that is not Champion for Kaylee at all right
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so I think I I buy the statements I buy the the ones that champion for Kaylee and the
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ones that don't Champion for Kaylee and I buy what he's saying you know and I think the evidence of that is you have
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to be pretty low of an individual you have to be a pretty shitty ass human being to get up there an opening
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statements say hey guess what you know where she learned to lie you know where she learned to lie from
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her father molesting her the same father that raised your daughter the same father that housed you the same father
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that fed you the same father that fed you plus your daughter plus every time that you didn't pay for a ticket who
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paid it for who who paid for your car that did everything for you and you throw this
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person under the bus and I don't know who came up with the idea but bias had to say it he's the one
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that made the claims and other than though first initial cross-examination of George Anthony they didn't bring this
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up because it was a bunch of [ __ ] that that's my opinion but you have to be a pretty low human being to bring
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this up and trial and throw that in the face of a guy that's dealing with the death of his granddaughter and I think
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so that's the evidence that I have I can see that on tape you're making those claims
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I don't like you and then this guy's making these claims just backing up that you might be a
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piece of [ __ ] I get what you're saying you know that Baez he presents this information that that George is a sexual
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abuser of his daughter possibly hinting around maybe even the granddaughter as well I get that that's you're stating
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that he is saying some low down dirty stuff that he's not going to back up with any evidence that makes him a slime
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ball therefore it's not too big of a leap to believe that he would that he would cross the line with with
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Casey uh behind closed doors I I get what you're saying as far as the trial goes and as far as those accusations go
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um my thoughts on that it's it's tough it's tough did he play dirty I think baya's absolutely played a little dirty
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did he hit below the belt I think so um the issue you have there though is he does have a duty to his client to look
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out for her best interest and no one else is and if she comes up with this story and says you know what this is
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what happened and this is why it happened he does have to present that at trial we'll get right back to this after
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this quick beer break [Music] all right we're back yeah we have a lot of interesting
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theories to get to in this case now that the the smoke is clear the verdict is in
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Casey Anthony has disappeared off into the night and what we're left with is wondering what truly did happen here and
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recently we have learned about some very important theories and those would be the parents of Casey Anthony Cindy and
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George now Cindy has a theory and I would say it's probably it doesn't sound to be spot on
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definitely not spot on with what the defense would State and what the defense would claim but it's very similar in the
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sense that case that Cindy Anthony believes that when she left for work that day on June 16th that at some point
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Kaylee drowned in the pool right and that Casey found her in the pool and panicked and that Kaylee was beyond the
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point of of bringing her back of resuscitation right and that she being a young mother uh in a traumatic situation
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she panicked and she handled it very poorly that she decided to hide the body for whatever reason and
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almost kind of pretend like nothing happened and one of the key points that people have to understand is that she
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eliminates George from the equation right one of the things that we kind of talked about is it's odd to us uh I
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think it's odd to you as well right um I got a mouse I don't know what you're saying yet so I can't agree I
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don't know yet um it's odd that they're still together that because of what they
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went through it's not that it's odd but it's kind of Against All Odds right that they're
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still together uh but she eliminates him from the equation and her Theory right and you know what I tell you what I do
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want to throw something out in Cindy's defense I I got curious and I looked something up the other day and between
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the years of 1999 and 2010 nearly 14 000 Americans age 19 and under drown uh during those years right now during that
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time period 40 of those people were ages one to four years old and half of those
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people drowned in pools so you're talking about like 200 kids you know this is where I get to to put on display
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my poor math for everybody as I'm trying to do it in my head right now you're supposed to show your work so you know
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that you're right but we don't have time to do that so approximately over 200 kids between the ages of one and four
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which Kaylee certainly would have fallen between those ages drowned in the the United States each year in a pool yeah
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um which is tragic of course of course and but it but it kind of goes to the defense of Cindy's Theory and we
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normally recommend a bunch of different True Crime docs I wasn't in love with the version of Discovery IDs but I
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thought there was a few valid interesting points in that one being of the parents theories George's Theory I
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think is very interesting yes yes and and like we said it's it's quite different from Cindy's and from the
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defenses Theory as well um George does not believe that Kaylee drowned in the pool
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um he basically states that he thinks that Kate that Casey might have been giving the little girl something to
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knock her out uh to you know Xanax any form of you know different forms of drugs to kind of put her under from time
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to time yeah basically when they were talking to the DJ her boyfriend's roommates they kind of discovered this
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whole thought of well one of the things that they were calling Xanax was zany and so when it became zany The Nanny
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like you just kind of put two and two together so George believes that he's that Casey's been medicating uh Kaylee
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to to put her out from time to time and probably doing this for quite some time leading up to the little girl's death
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and that he believes that she accidentally overdid it that day right and she panicked and had to get rid of
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the body and he says looking back on a hindsight that there would be a lot of times that Kaylee would sleep you know
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sometimes 10 to 15 hours sometimes and sometimes that she'd wake up and she'd be very groggy or that he saw dark you
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know rings around the eyes or dark spots around the eyes uh that he he states that you wouldn't see or expect to see
00:32:45
in a child of that age so why would the two parents have such different theories
00:32:50
is what I immediately ask myself and I think the only thing I can come up with is that George he left the house that
00:32:59
day after Cindy did he went to work after she did and he states that he saw Casey and Kaylee leave the home together
00:33:09
around 12 12 50 that afternoon and that's why I think their theories are so different that he knows in his heart
00:33:18
that he saw the two of them leave that day he left for work and then he never saw his granddaughter again and I think
00:33:25
that that that ultimately is the biggest difference well I maybe that and I think
00:33:30
the other thing that's a big difference is I think through the history of things
00:33:35
he wasn't he was getting tired of enabling Casey and I think I think especially when you throw him
00:33:44
under the bus and your defense makes claims that you're sexually abused by your father I think at that point it's
00:33:51
just I'm done you know my granddaughter's done I don't want to live anymore and then on top of this I
00:33:58
have to go through all that I'm just done with this I think he's he's more able to try to see the truth
00:34:05
that than than Cindy is can I take it through my thoughts and my opinions on the case and yeah the whole world's
00:34:11
waiting the whole garage is waiting holding their breaths uh so don't hold back I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of go
00:34:18
through my thoughts on this case and what I believe to have happened and the trial itself kind of all at the same
00:34:24
time but you know starting off a little bit with the trial when the verdict first came down I was as shocked as
00:34:31
anyone um I ultimately believed that she was guilty um and then you know I got to be full
00:34:38
confession I only half paid attention to the trial at the time of the trial right
00:34:43
it wasn't until we start started researching this case that I really dove in deep and the thing is when I was half
00:34:49
paying attention to it I believed her to be guilty from the time they marched her
00:34:53
into the courtroom until the time they left and then then when they made the accusations against
00:34:59
George I thought you couldn't you couldn't get any more low than than what it already took place
00:35:06
and now you're dragging the rest of your family down with you and so I was as shocked as anyone but
00:35:13
when I looked into this thing a lot more I was not shocked uh because of a few different things first off uh focus
00:35:22
groups now we know that in the OJ case that the defense team used a focus group to kind of decide of what what people
00:35:31
with what backgrounds do we want on this jury what jurors do we think will will like OJ what jurors do we think will not
00:35:41
like law enforcement not like the prosecution and let's stack our jury with these people well in this case we
00:35:49
had in Casey Anthony's case we had a focus group we had Jose Baez and he worked with the 2020 or 48 hours or one
00:35:57
of those TV shows they approached him and they wanted to do a story on the case this was before it went to trial
00:36:04
and their thoughts was they wanted to get the general Public's reaction as to what they had heard so so far about the
00:36:11
case and whether they thought that Casey Anthony was guilty or not right well when this all went down he was able to
00:36:16
sit behind mirrored glass and watch them interview these people and hear their responses to the different questions he
00:36:25
was able to pick up on what concerns did these people have and the smart thing that I think happened
00:36:31
here was that the TV Play the TV show whichever one it was decided to kind of gather up all these people from Orlando
00:36:40
Florida well there was there would be no City in the rest of the United States that already pegged her as more guilty
00:36:48
than Orlando Florida so he had this room full of people that believed her to be guilty and he could figure out what was
00:36:56
important to them what did they need to hear in the course of the trial to give a not guilty verdict he learned that
00:37:03
they didn't care so much about forensic evidence that the the people that they interviewed were more concerned with
00:37:10
what was the cause of death and two the searches on the computer at the Anthony home right and I think he used that to
00:37:18
his Advantage the second thing here about the defense in the trial was that the defense had
00:37:25
two secret weapons that the prosecution and the public didn't even know that the
00:37:30
defense had on their side and those two things were George and Cindy Anthony because the jury and the public saw
00:37:40
these two grandparents as victims and then when they put them on the stand and they they pulled back the curtain then
00:37:47
we saw that they weren't telling the truth about certain things as well so now we have people that go from being
00:37:54
victims to being Liars to being people that we cannot believe and we cannot trust and that was a secret weapon for
00:38:01
the defense something that the prosecution would have never seen coming the thing here is Cindy the the some of
00:38:08
the the lies on the stand she's almost coming to the defense of her daughter well yeah to save her daughter's life
00:38:16
and there were some there's some weird weird things that I found almost strange coincidences about some of those lies
00:38:24
and one of them being is when she talked about the search on the family computer
00:38:30
how she was the one that looked up chloroform but she did it on accident because she was actually looking up
00:38:36
chlorophyll right and it came up chloroform well why was she look why would she bother looking up chlorophyll
00:38:43
well she had this bamboo root growing in her backyard that we that we needed to get rid of or the dogs were eating
00:38:49
bamboo leaves and we needed to get make sure that the dogs weren't going to get sick from this
00:38:55
and what was another lie that we saw that Casey did during this the course of this whole missing thing she went and
00:39:01
borrowed a shovel from the neighbor to remove a bamboo root from the backyard right to me that that made me wonder was
00:39:09
that Cindy's way of kind of wink wink nod nod tip of the cap to her daughter who's watching her testify stating you
00:39:18
know what I'm going to get your back I'm going to lie for you and and almost cueing her to cue the defense team say
00:39:26
don't worry my mom's got this you don't have to you don't have to worry about this part of the trial right she's she's
00:39:32
covered this base well but we also know that they had several conversations with
00:39:36
each other but Baez and Cindy so what what conversations took place and when the death penalty is on the
00:39:45
table I'm not going to put it past any parent to lie and like I said I physically get ill
00:39:54
um from from saying a lie I don't know if if you know one of my step boys you know were on trial for I don't know what
00:40:03
I'd do well the the other thing here captain that worked very well for the for the defense and I think really
00:40:11
through the jurors off on what was going on at the trial was George Anthony's reaction to the allegations of sexual
00:40:18
abuse against his daughter the thing here is the situation is this and the jurors would not have known this in
00:40:26
advance but George and Cindy knew in advance that Jose Baez was going to throw George under the bus and then back
00:40:34
the bus up and run him over again right they knew that and they were told you know what you're going to be in court
00:40:41
that day when it happens and you need to stay calm you need to stay stoic you just need to you just need to sit there
00:40:49
and be and let it trickle Off Of You Like Rain Man and what I think what I think the jury
00:40:55
saw was that no reaction from George because most people would have would if if those
00:41:03
were allegations against me and I was sitting in trial I would have I would have jumped out of my chair man you
00:41:09
would have had to pull me and peel me off of the roof off of the ceiling I would have been the ceiling is the roof
00:41:15
I would have been I would have been livid I would have been live and he wasn't and but he was instructed not to
00:41:22
be so right and the jury didn't know that and and this is where I have a problem with some of our court
00:41:29
proceedings you know we state that if you are a witness you are not to be in the audience of the trial but because
00:41:38
they were the grandparents they were Grant they were granted the privilege of being in that courtroom I think what
00:41:45
happened was that affected Justice for their granddaughter now well have you had you
00:41:52
given them the opportunity to not be there I don't think they I think they would have insisted on being there right
00:41:58
I absolutely do right but they uh you know their lies and and the stuff that the lies that they told on the
00:42:06
stand and the lies they told to so many people affected Justice well and I think
00:42:11
that they would have stayed given that you know if they were given the choice which they were but I don't think the
00:42:17
choice should have been there first of all I think they should not have been in the courtroom but given the choice I
00:42:22
think they would have stayed no matter what because it came off to me and and it's probably this way for most people I
00:42:30
don't know I can't speak for everybody but what I saw was parents that wanted the truth as
00:42:37
long as it didn't give their daughter the death penalty right and again we discussed it uh I don't think that the
00:42:45
state should have sought the death penalty I think we might have seen an ultimately a different outcome just if
00:42:50
we wouldn't have sought the death penalty in this case well yeah we we all hope the troll dies and burns in
00:42:59
hell but um it probably wasn't the smartest move now as far as what happened on that day
00:43:10
um I I think and I believe that and this is probably worse than what most people believe
00:43:18
I believe I believe it was I actually believe it was a planned murder I I think that Casey thought about taking
00:43:24
Kaylee's life for months and at least days or even weeks before March the month of March when she searched for
00:43:32
Chloroform on that computer right uh Kaylee died June 16th almost three months after the search on the family
00:43:41
computer when she couldn't wait any longer to free herself of the burden of her daughter and the burden of her own
00:43:50
parents that she chose to live with then long after she searched for Chloroform on the family computer well she then
00:43:59
searched Googled Fool Proof Suffocation on the family computer because Casey knew if she tried and attempted but
00:44:07
failed Not only would the little girl live but she would tell her grandparents what her mother had done and not only
00:44:15
that but Casey would have had to look Kaylee in the eyes knowing what she had done so she couldn't screw it up okay
00:44:23
and just like she worked so hard for two years to maintain a lie and hide from her parents and hide from everyone else
00:44:31
the fact that she did not have a job she studied long and thought hard how to kill that little girl and so she took
00:44:42
the chloroform and knocked Kaylee out then she took the duct tape and placed it over Kaylee's mouth and nose and the
00:44:51
chloroform served two purposes one the little girl didn't have to struggle as she suffocated and died and two because
00:45:00
Casey is such a selfish person this is probably the main reason for the chloroform so that Casey would not have
00:45:09
to struggle with Kaylee when she was putting the duct tape on her and so Casey wouldn't have to hear or see her
00:45:17
daughter struggling as she dies so that Casey could put the tape on her face and
00:45:23
go into the other room as Kaylee dies and while she was waiting Casey checks her Facebook and her Myspace accounts
00:45:32
and while she's logged in she changed both of her passwords to timer 55 because I believe timer 55 was a real
00:45:41
thing a very real thing but it wasn't something that involved a fake nanny or a kidnapping of Kaylee no timer 55 was a
00:45:50
countdown the countdown from the 55 days from the day she killed Kaylee to the day that she knew that she could no
00:45:58
longer hide the missing dead baby from her grandparents because they would be it would be the baby's third birthday
00:46:07
and the grandparents would demand to see Kaylee and so Casey now a free woman free from her daughter which she
00:46:16
considered to be a ball and chain and free from the watch and the rule of her parents she had 55 Days to Live It Up
00:46:24
wow it's a it's getting hot in the hot tub uh so you think it's just because that Kaylee
00:46:33
was a burden Oh you mean the why well I think the Y is a lot harder than the how
00:46:39
in this case um I think the burden was part of it I I also obviously think that she didn't
00:46:46
want to be with her parents anymore and I think she thought that Kaylee was some
00:46:51
kind of anchor keeping her to her parents um which the sad thing here is I really
00:46:57
believe if she wanted to tap out that her parents would have taken that baby for her and she could have she could
00:47:04
have left I've firmly believed that that would have been the case uh I think for
00:47:10
me definitely the house and why is two different things um well obviously part of me also
00:47:18
wonders if you know it seems like there was a lot of a lot of butting heads a lot of battling between Cindy and Casey
00:47:27
part of me wonders if she wanted to punish Cindy in some way as well for me I think the why that there's so many
00:47:36
reasons that she thought that she should do this and second of all um I don't think she's clinically crazy
00:47:44
I think she's criminally crazy and I think trying to rationale with with crazy is not nothing that we can do
00:47:53
there's we we can't come up with the reasons why she would do this yeah well I think she's a social path probably and
00:48:04
I think the I actually think the why is pretty easy um I don't think she ever wanted a kid I
00:48:12
think she felt pressured to do so she I think when people you know she came up with the LIE well this guy was
00:48:21
the father and then he died several years later and I think I don't know if she was
00:48:28
always a liar I think she developed into this and I think the more and more she had to
00:48:34
be faced with reality that she was just a loser and she was just trying to get guys attentions or whatever and I was
00:48:44
drunk at a party and I really don't know who the father is so therefore I do not
00:48:48
want to keep the baby and then I'm going to make the up this fictitious story about this guy is the father but he died
00:48:55
we know that's a lie and then you get engaged to a guy that you said was the father
00:49:01
and yet you cut off that engagement and the reason why was because she claimed that you love my daughter more than you
00:49:11
love me and then we see it again with the parents the parents love the granddaughter more
00:49:20
than they loved you then we see it again with the new boyfriend you start bringing around your daughter in the
00:49:28
beginning and the roommate claims and other people claimed everybody liked Kaylee everybody
00:49:37
thought she was so smart and then all of a sudden she's not coming around anymore and I
00:49:44
think the guy that she was seeing was probably giving the daughter some attention like a normal human would
00:49:52
and she couldn't deal with that she she needed the attention and this individual that she made her daughter
00:50:01
always stole that Limelight from her because at the end of the day Casey was and will always be
00:50:11
a piece of [ __ ] loser hmm and I think that was the main motivation was you know
00:50:19
you know everybody cares about this person more than me and I think there's more evidence of that
00:50:27
in the tapes hours and hours of the prison footage where he's she's saying but what about me
00:50:35
what about me right and I think part of Casey wanted to say I killed her and she's gone
00:50:45
let's make this about me and I I'm I believe in your theory uh the what George Anthony says I I buy most of
00:50:58
it and I believe that she one of my big frustrating questions was before the actual murder
00:51:06
when you're drugging I don't think this was the first time she ever drugged her with something but I believe that zany
00:51:13
The Nanny was giving your daughter drugs to make her sleep and I think sometimes
00:51:19
she was sleeping at the grandparents house I think sometimes that poor little girl was sleeping in the back of a car
00:51:25
maybe even the trunk of a car and I so that search that day of strangulation there's no doubt in my mind that it was
00:51:41
not an accident it wasn't I just gave her too much and she died you know George saw her that night I think
00:51:50
she she said look I'm not going to keep doing this I'm not going to keep drugging her I'm just going to get rid
00:51:56
of her together as a problem so I think me and your theories are pretty similar on this one I like your thoughts on that
00:52:05
that that at one time in Casey Anthony's life she was the nucleus of her world and then when Kaylee came along well
00:52:14
there was a new centerpiece of the world and it wasn't her anymore and it was the
00:52:18
centerpiece of her world and everyone that existed within Casey's world right and she couldn't handle that right and
00:52:25
the where we differ is on the why she got off and I believe what the prosecution says somebody that
00:52:34
was close to this case knew the evidence all this evidence was out in the Public's eyes and I think they had a
00:52:41
bunch of individuals the only individuals that they could get on this case on this trial
00:52:47
were individuals that were indecisive going in right for to fill the jury pool right which makes a lot of sense because
00:52:53
you have to it has to be fair but if but when all the information is pretty much
00:52:58
out there in the open and you're going in in indecisive just hearing the same story with maybe a few extra details
00:53:07
added in here there is not going to change your mind I think they went in indecisive and they left
00:53:15
indecisive and I think these little tiny things of them going well we didn't know
00:53:21
where the murder took place or you couldn't tell me exactly what happened you know
00:53:29
she's lucky that Kaylee wasn't found sooner because I think a couple key pieces of
00:53:36
forensic evidence would have you know put her in the electric chair oh yeah 100 and the worst
00:53:43
thing about all this is that this little girl doesn't get to grow up Kaylee doesn't get to grow up and become
00:53:49
something and then contribute to the world um you know because you can't pick your
00:53:56
parents and it's sad and I feel for the the Anthony Family everybody that was involved I I know sometimes it makes it
00:54:05
seem like we're throwing certain people under the bus but I feel for them overall
00:54:11
and uh you know then but then Casey comes out uh recently and says well here I'm going
00:54:18
to do an interview and I'm actually going to tell you I don't know what happened I'm not even
00:54:24
going to come up with another lie because everything I come up with it's not the truth
00:54:31
and then the troll wants to say oh by the way I sleep fine at night well that's because you're a social path
00:54:39
and just because a handful of people that were indecisive and couldn't make up their mind said that you're not
00:54:46
guilty I think in the public size the public got it right yes and we would all sleep better at night if we would
00:54:53
have gotten a guilty verdict and all I can say is I can't I can't stand this troll no mo troll trial is over thank
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