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foreign [Music] yesterday we discussed the unsolved homicides of three what were described
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as vulnerable female victims we also discussed a couple of suspects in one or two of those cases today we start off by
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talking about an additional suspect here and oddly enough this is a man whose name we have mentioned before but we've
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not gone into great detail about this is Michael balogna I could go for a nice fried bologna sandwich 35 year old
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treasure hunter described by his friends as a generous Mr Lonely Hearts is a common denominator in the Florida Keys
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Murder Mystery according to police investigators from the Monroe County Sheriff's Office said that they have
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questioned Michael balogna because he might know something about two of the unsolved homicides but they said that
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there was no physical evidence linking him to either of the two murders that they question him about according to
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detectives this is where Michael balagna becomes very interesting to them for two
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of these unsolved homicides one he escorted the mother of Paddy Lanza the four-year-old victim to that
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party on that fateful night on little Torch Key back in July of 1988 then the tall dark-eyed Michael balogna also
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dated the third victim Sherry parisho age 39 right in fact it has been determined
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that she stayed with him for several weeks before she decided to be homeless she stayed with him for about three
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weeks and this is very weird right we have this situation where this guy has very close ties to two of the victims we
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should remind everybody out there that there was another individual that was at two of the parties the two of the
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victims attended shortly before they were killed and that was a different individual and
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the police have said look yes that guy was at both of those parties but a lot of the same people were at both of those
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parties but I sound like a broken record we have three victims in a short time period murdered and in a small distance
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and these aren't large communities well that broken record must be a Kenny G album because you are one smooth son of
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a [ __ ] and I got the hair to match the thing that I think we need to really point out here is that while police were
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talking to him listen to their statement their statement is we are talking to him
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because he may know something that's much different than being a suspect mm-hmm them saying he may know something
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well duh he might he he seemed to have a close relationship at least at one time
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with our third victim Sherry parisho that's what my teachers used to say about me he may know something we know
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that is fact that he went with Patty Lanza's mother Deborah Lanza to that party the night that Paddy Lanza was killed
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but he wasn't the only one that went to that party with her according to Deborah
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Lanza the victim's mother we have her four children and we also have Michael balagna who brought two kids of his own
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to the party with them and then police go on to say look we've not ruled out this Michael guy is he a suspect there
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the media is pushing the police to tell them if he is in fact a suspect or not but what they're saying is they won't
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rule him out to the media they will not say that he's not a suspect but what they do say is
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the night that Patty was killed Michael balagna brought Lanza to the party with her four kids his son was there as well
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with him they go on to say that after the girl went missing he's still at the party the mother Deborah lanzis says
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while she couldn't find her daughter at some point she never this Michael balogna was never out of her sight right
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so he's not a suspect in the mother's eyes the police go on to say he helped he assisted in the search after the
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party and he was cooperative with police from Jump Street so I think that this is
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one of those situations Captain where some might call him a suspect but he only appears to be a suspect as far as
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the media is concerned not as far as law enforcement or the family of one of the
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victims and it must feel absolutely horrific to have people in the community or or the media
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insinuating that you might be responsible for the death of a four-year-old I mean that's just that'd
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be a very tough situation to be involved in those murders took place in 1988 and
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1989 in the keys now we have to fast forward to many years later to 2004 and we're going to talk about Hurricane Ivan
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some of you may remember Hurricane Ivan this was a big and powerful storm and like with many of these hurricanes in
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parts of Florida parts of the Gulf Coast residents are warned and told and a lot
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of times to evacuate well in September of 2004 they had an evacuation as well going on for Hurricane Ivan
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and two individuals this is Charlie Brandt in his longtime wife Terry Brandt they evacuated their home and they went
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to go stay with their niece this is Michelle Lynn Jones she lived up in Orlando so this was
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going to be a safe space away from the hurricane go up and visit and from my understanding Captain Terry Brandt the
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aunt was very close to Michelle Lynn Jones her niece and some reports state that Charlie Brandt was close to his
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niece as well throughout this visit they go to stay there for several nights and
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throughout this visit we have Michelle Lynn Jones that while she has her house guest she is going to continue with her
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daily routines and part of that is keeping in contact with her mother the brands would stay
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there for two weeks before anybody realized that there's anything wrong that's right the brands arrived there
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sometime around September 2nd and it is until approximately two weeks later on the 13th 14th 15th that
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some people start to get concerned right Michelle Lynn Jones and Her Mother they're close they shared several of the
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same friends and one of their mutual friends stops by the house on September 13th and was supposed to visit with
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Jones Jones says you know I don't want you to come in my aunt and uncle are staying here
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they've been drinking and they got into some kind of argument so it's a little uncomfortable it's a little awkward here
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right now um maybe you should come back on another date and we should be clear here too
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it's not obvious and it shouldn't be that there was any predetermination on how long the branch would be staying
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there I think a lot of that would be determined based off of Hurricane Ivan itself the storm and the damages that
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could come with that storm but by this point they've been there for well over a week close to two weeks
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and it's on September 15th that another friend of Michelle Lynn Jones this is Debbie
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Knight he goes to the home and she is suspicious of the House of what she's seeing of the feelings that she's
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getting as she pulls up to the house during this time in the two days that have passed since
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the previous friend coming over and being turned away by Michelle Lynn Jones Jones's mother was having a difficult
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time getting in touch with her so now we have Debbie Knight another mutual friend who's at the house
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and she's on the phone with Michelle Lynn Jones's mother she tells the mother that the front door is
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unlocked you know she's knocked she's rang the doorbell mom's tried calling her daughter no response
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shows up the door's unlocked and Mom says to the friend go into the house try to get see if you
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can get into the house well Debbie Knight says that she was so feeling so uneasy about the situation
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she was just getting such bad vibes and this dark horrible feeling she was a little scared so she decided to go next
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door and grab a neighbor The Neighbor comes back with her and together the two of them enter the home
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and they walk into a house of horrors if I'm correct I believe that the front door was unlocked but because of this
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uneasy feeling they didn't want to enter through the front door so they were attempting to get into the house and
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they decided that they were going to go through the garage well when they entered the garage they
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found Charlie Brandt hanging from the rafters with bed sheets immediately these two contact the police
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and the police arrive on the scene very quickly who they enter the house and then they the House of Horrors just
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keeps getting worse and worse first they find this man hanging from the rafters in the garage
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and then once they go into the home they find Terry Brandt have been stabbed multiple times in the chest area she's
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lying on the couch dead and then they go into the bedroom where they find the homeowner the niece Michelle Lynn Jones
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she had been decapitated and her heart and organs had been removed and someone had placed the head next to her body and
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in some reports state that it was placed on the nightstand positioned almost as it was looking
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at the body itself yeah some people actually believe that somebody combed her hair without going into too much of
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the horrific details here they're easily found online if anybody wants to look them up but it would be 15 20 minutes of
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going through detail after detail of disgusting mutilation that took place in this case
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the police are able to deduce a few things one that the weapons used to murder Terry Brandt and Michelle Lynn Jones
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were knives that came from the kitchen and they're able to piece together a series of events that goes like this
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based off of physical evidence found at the scene they believed that Charlie Brandt
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stabbed his wife to death as she sat on the couch and afterward he then went into another
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room where he attacked Michelle Lynn Jones his niece and then after killing her mutilated the
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body after this he decides to clean himself up a bit takes a shower changes his clothes and then at some point takes
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these bed sheets and hangs himself from the rafters where later all three bodies are found
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following this discovery police want to know why would this happen and two who exactly is this Charlie
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Brandt what they discover is that the brands were living on Big Pine Key and had been there for many years
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and had been married for a very long time so who is this Charlie Brandt Charlie Brandt was born Eric Carl Brandt born
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February 23 1957. in 1986 he married his then girlfriend Teresa who went by the name Terry the
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odd thing though here Captain is no relatives were invited to their wedding well we have relatives and friends from
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Teresa from Terry's side that attend the wedding we don't have anybody from Charlie's Family side attending the
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wedding later his sister Angela and her husband Jim Graves stayed in contact not just with Charlie
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and his new wife Terry but also were friends with Terry and uh Charlie well Charlie seemed like a normal guy he was
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a good looking guy he was a radar technician but obviously after this crime and finding what they found in
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that house especially the mutilation that was done to this poor victim was yeah the niece the niece they're now
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wondering what who is this guy exactly and does he have any other victims well sadly he does he has previous victims
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and he has some skeletons in his closet and the thing here Captain there's a lot
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of debate here because Charlie Brandt Eric Carl Brandt goes by Charlie but he had actually killed his mother
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when he was a boy he grew up in Indiana in 1971 a young Charlie Brandt then only 13
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years old was accused of killing his mother and attempting to kill his father and
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his sister Charlie Brandt is accused of killing his mother who was 38 at the time and
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Pregnant and wounding his father he shot both of them his father's name is Herbert Brandt
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and this took place in January of 1971. he's arrested there's no mystery as to what happened here because the father
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survived and the sister survived and the sister later said that it was very strange because
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she had no idea that that Charlie would do this it was he was even capable of doing something like this the father who
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survives has no answers as to why his son would have killed his wife and then attempted to
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kill him and his sister states that Charlie almost appeared to be in a trance-like
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state and before he could kill her or attack her he seemed to kind of come too and he had some general understanding as
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far as the sister was concerned that he had done something wrong but she says that he wasn't fully aware
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of what exactly that he had done and given the laws and the situation at the time in the state of Indiana
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even though he had killed someone his own mother it was looking like a young Charlie
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Brandt would not be facing a long or lengthy prison sentence yeah which is pretty nuts because he killed
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his mom which was pregnant tried to kill the dad and then also tried to kill his
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sister how many more people did he have to try to kill so in Fort Wayne Indiana in 1971 they decided to take this to a
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grand jury the grand jury ultimately decides that a lot of this is based off of testimony
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from psychiatrists at the time that Charlie Brandt suffered a serious psychotic disorder which produced the
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criminal act and the report said that the jurors believed that Charlie Brandt was
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mentally incapable of standing trial and they recommended that he be committed to hospitalization
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well the problem here captain and this is from the experts that say he's a turd yes he committed this horrible act yes
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the jury decided that he should be hospitalized however when we sit down and try to evaluate a young Charlie
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Brandt we can't come up with any type of known diagnosis that he fits into there's no category
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that he fits into we think there's something wrong with him we just don't have a term for it Charlie himself never
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really offers up any explanation as to what had happened or why he would do such a horrible thing yeah what was the
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motivation to kill his mom which was pregnant with his soon-to-be sibling so he was remanded to the custody of the
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County Juvenile Court and we have again the mother that was shot to death the father who was wounded in fact in the
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beginning the report coming out was that the father was in poor condition and may
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not make it when he was first put into the hospital we know that he does in fact survive and then we have
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Charlie Brandt who when asked what happened he says I felt the urge I just felt the urge everything seemed to snap
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that's about as much as he offers up that makes it to the public as to why he would kill his mother and attempt to
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kill his father I found this to be very strange but of course this is a very strange scenario all around but he is
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released oh God and released into his father's custody Within just about a year and a half two years
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time you don't have to be a captain to know that this seems like a bad decision well here becomes some of the problems
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for our case for the case of him killing his niece and killing his wife it was not
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100 percent confirmed that his wife ever knew that he had killed his mother there's some speculation that she knew
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and in fact there were people that were still in Charlie's life at the time that had told him you have to tell Terry
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you have to tell her before you get married and if he did ever tell her it sounds like he may have told her after
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the wedding remember we said that at the wedding none of his family were present
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he likely did not want this woman to know or maybe not just his future wife to know but her family to know what he
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had done as a youth yeah these are a couple things you need to go over you know before you get married are you currently
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married to somebody else do you have any credit card to how about student loans do you have any children out there oh by
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the way did you kill your mother did you try to kill your father did you try to kill your sister these are some things
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you should know before you get married now the friend that did set them up told Charlie that he needs to tell her about
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that his previous crimes right and he is the one that pushed Charlie to tell Terry now later he says that he believes
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that that Charlie did tell Terry at some point because he has this friend has a conversation
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with Charlie's wife Terry the conversation that he has with her is shortly after the third victim that we
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discussed here Sherry parisho was killed Sherry parisho where she lived on that little boat the dinghy was just four
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short blocks from where Charlie and his wife Terry lived oh God the wife Terry tells this friend
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after the homicide that she was thinking about calling the sheriff's department when he asked why would you call the
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Sheriff's Department she says well in relation to this murder the Sherry parisho murder
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I think that given the circumstances of everything I should give them a call the
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friend says that later or at the time more importantly he took that to mean that she Terry knew
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and had been told by Charlie that he killed his mother and now we have this woman even all
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these years later 39 year old Sherry parisho who was killed the reports say four blocks from where
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they lived I wanted to make sure that I said four short blocks because I've seen this
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reported as it was possibly a thousand feet from where they lived now at the time
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there was an eyewitness in the Sherry parisho murder there was a woman who was driving that
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night and this is the night of July 16th she says that she saw a man that she could not
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identify did not know the name of this person crossing the street U.S Highway One
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and the man was carrying a knife okay well at the time this is at night the man is Crossing
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the street and carrying a knife not a huge deal this didn't send off any red flags other
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than it was memorable to her right or other than the fact that when I go out for my nightly walk I don't I don't
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openly just carry a knife with me but he's walking toward the water this driver would have no way of knowing that
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there's a woman living in a small boat on this stretch of water so she provides a
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description of this individual and in fact they had a composite sketch of the man that she saw that night
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it wasn't until all of these years later we're up to about 15 years later captain
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that now they're going wait a second this Charlie Brandt guy who up near Orlando Florida kills his niece and his
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wife hangs himself lives very close to where Sherry parisha was killed and oh my goodness he
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resembles the composite sketch of the man seen that night with the knife [Music]
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[Music] thank you all right we are back cheers maids to the windows to the walls
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cheers to you Colonel cheers to all of you out there in listener land thank you for joining us again here in the garage
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this week the murders that took place in 2004 in Orlando Florida prompted the police to
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investigate who exactly was this Charlie Brandt and then they learn about his background growing up having killed his
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pregnant mother they want to figure out how many murders could this dude have been involved in there's different
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wounds for the different victims the mutilation to the niece's body is what I think
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perks up law enforcement to go well where was Charlie at during the time of the murders in the keys the crazy thing
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here too Captain is we talk about Charlie Brandt and we went through some of the mutilations done to his niece it
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appears that he had some kind of fatuation infatuation with his niece that likely was unknown to his wife and
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to his niece at the time he had this bizarre nickname for her he called her Victoria's Secret which I
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think is incredibly creepy yeah that that rates uh a hundred on the creepo meter
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that should have been some red flags right there but again we are not privy to knowing exactly what his wife Terry
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knew about him or his past right however when we compare everything that we know
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about the murder of his niece the removing of the heart which was which was done with
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surgeon-like Precision according to the experts and then we compare that to the murder of Sherry parisho who was living
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four short blocks from Charlie Brandt's home the night that she was killed her heart removed with surgical like
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precision he matches the description giving provided by the woman who was driving
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that night as being the man seen crossing the street with a knife then we get this weird information that
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comes out after Charlie Brandt's death that his wife may have suspected him all along in the murder of Sherry parisho
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the way that the story goes and is told to law enforcement by people that knew the
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couple is that the wife Terry Brandt haven't been awakened to Charlie coming home
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very late that night she says she goes and and confronts Charlie and he is standing at a sink they had a
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a large sink that was in like a mud room Charlie was an avid fisherman and they had this sink in this setup so
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he could clean fish at this table and he would regularly go fishing I'm talking multiple times a
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week on this particular night the night that Sherry parisha was killed he comes home very late at night and Terry
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relates to somebody later that he was covered in blood and when confronted he had said that he
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caught a bunch of fish and he was cleaning the fish this uh reminds me of Dahmer where they talk about his
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fascination with the the shine of the organs ultimately they end up closing out the Sherry Paris showcase
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and they State they being law enforcement that Charlie Brandt was responsible for the murder of Sherry
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parisho and they base this off of some of the things that we've already stated but
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also the fact that the mutilation that was done to Sherry parisho was very similar to what
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was done to his niece yeah but also couldn't they just pull DNA from the case and test that yes they could
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um if but here's the problem with that is it's not like they could and decided not to right if if they had the ability
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if they had DNA in the pre-showcase I'm sure they would have attempted to connect it to Charlie Brandt the problem
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with the pre-show case is she was not sexually assaulted during that attack there was no evidence to suggest that
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that took place of course DNA can come from other parts of the struggle however again if
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they had that information I'm sure they would have would have tested it in such a manner
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I would doubt that they're just going to willy-nilly say Charlie Brandt killed Sherry parisho without conclusively
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believing that in fact he did it's a difficult case right because in that case and you're right there captain
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what they are what law enforcement is telling us is that the the mutilation in the cutting out the removing of the
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heart is such a rare thing to do by a perpetrator to a victim that given the proximity and given the statements that
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his wife made to people that they know and her suspicion of her husband being involved in the murder of Sherry parisho
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they're basing their case and closing their case on that homicide based off of that information which is not 100
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percent conclusive but what that leads us to it's prompting the police to reinvestigate 26 unsolved homicides in
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the State of Florida dating all the way back to 1973 looking for potential evidence of Charlie Brandt's involvement
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in those unsolved homicides so like you're saying there are so many cases that law enforcement could look at but
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they're going to try to narrow that down based off of look there's no way to easy way to say
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it but there was extensive mutilation to the victim his his niece and so to to look at those
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look at that mutilation and then start comparing that to other cases and kind of narrow it down so you're not just
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looking willy-nilly at every single unsolved homicide that's exactly right and you hit the nail on the head there
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Captain when you compared it to Dahmer and with the shine of the organs or the shine of the
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muscle under the skin what they are saying what law enforcement is telling us is based off
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of the extensive mutilation done to his niece that they believe Charlie Brandt had a proclivity for this type of thing
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that that was the drive in the homicides committed by Charlie Brandt the removal of the heart
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the removal of organs the decapitation things of that nature the injuries the mutilation and such almost mere one
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another and Sherry parisho's case and in the homicide of his niece so they are looking for cases that are going to be
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very similar to that now they narrowed that down to 26 cases of Interest that they looked at Charlie Brandt one
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of them was the 1978 murder of Carol Sullivan age 12. she was abducted from a school bus stop in September of 1978.
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her skull was found in a paint can she was decapitated obviously they never recovered her body so mirroring her
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injuries and mutilation to that of Charlie's niece or Sherry parisho was going to be impossible now I want to say
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this in fairness to Carol Sullivan's family because her family has expressed a concern
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with connecting Charlie Brandt to the murder of their family member they have said that at no point ever
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was Charlie Brandt considered to be a suspect there were suspects in her case suspects that it sounds like the family
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likes much better than Charlie Brandt and she comes about to be connected to the Brant case
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from the authors of this week's recommended reading and they don't definitively say that they believe
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Charlie Brandt killed Carol Sullivan they just say that he was in the area at the time and this murder is not terribly
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unlike murders committed by Charlie Brandt but In fairness to her family who do not believe he killed her
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we will move on from the Carol Sullivan case the next one is that of the 1988 Lisa Sanders case that we discussed at
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length and again it's debatable what parts of that mutilation were conducted by the Killer
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or conducted by animals that one makes it very difficult to say and in fact the removal of organs in
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that case does not match up does not line up with the Sherry Paris showcase does not match
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up our lineup with what was done what Charlie did to his niece's body after she was murdered and we should go ahead
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and move on from The Paddy Lanza case because we have law enforcement that said Back in 88 and in 1989 we don't
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think this case is connected to these other two we this is the one that we feel is
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absolutely not connected to the Sanders case or the pre-showcase and then they say that again in 1990 in
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fact they say in 1990 that they have definitively ruled out any connection between the Lanza case and the Sanders
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and Paris showcase that leads us to a victim that we've not discussed yet in 1995 a sex worker named
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Darlene Toller age 38 her body was discovered near Miami found in the grassy area off of a highway her
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body was wrapped in blankets and in plastic when discovered she was missing her head and her heart
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and it's simply the removal of the heart that connected Charlie Brandt by law enforcement to this case law
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enforcement would go on to tell us that Charlie Brandt used that same Highway regularly and one thing that they found
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that was disturbing to them in their review of these unsolved homicides is the fact that the heart was removed one
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and two Charlie kept some information that they found interesting he kept mileage records of his vehicle
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and of his travels and on the day of Darlene taller's murder roughly the driving distance between Big
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Pine Key where he lived in the area of Miami where taller's body was discovered matches up
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with his records his mileage records for that day well and it's it's tough with this guy because he is a
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he is a giant pile of [ __ ] but we should talk about this uh poster that's on that they found in his bedroom
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yeah they were going through Charlie's belongings after the double homicide and then suicide committed in 2004 and one
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item of note was this Anatomy poster that was found in the bedroom of Charlie and his wife
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and this is a poster that is a female body and it is the the you have the muscles and organs on one side and then
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you have the Skeleton on the other it's a very science textbooky type poster but except
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for that they add hair and put the lady's hair in a bun which is a little strange very strange and you can find
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that poster if you just Google Charlie Brandt poster it comes up we'll put it on our social media as well the thing
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here is that this one I think in anybody's bedroom this would be concerning he's not a he's not a doctor
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you know he's not a scientist uh he's not it appears that he's studying Anatomy but he doesn't really have any
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professional or career reason to do so well he's a career murderer so he needs to study this if he wants to keep
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cutting victims hearts out I would find this to be a weird iron to be in anyone's bedroom especially a married
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man but then let's compound that with the fact that we know that he dissected his niece yeah and those
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mutilations mirror that of Sherry parisho that lived a thousand twelve hundred feet or so
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from his home on a night when his wife confronts him and says that he's covered in blood and came home very late
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she even says to a friend maybe we should I should contact the sheriff's department yeah duh after this
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homicide this is nuts when we compare this to Darlene taller's murder that took place
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in Miami it's not a terrible stretch from Big Pine Key to where the body of Darlene Toller was found and in fact he
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has mileage records in his vehicle that back up that he may have gone to that area on the day that she was murdered
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police go on to say after finding things at his home knowing of his background of
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killing his mother when he's a kid the homicides that he did in 2004 look they found on his computer that he
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was searching for snuff oh slicky flicky flicky that he was looking for torture videos that he was searching for autopsy
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photos yeah this guy had clearly had a fascination of the inside of a person well he has a sexual Fascination you
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talk about Dahmer but this guy reminds me a lot of Edmund Kemper somebody who killed his grandparents
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with a firearm when he's a teenager goes away for a while and when he gets out he's not just shooting people
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he's kidnapping and mutilating the bodies cutting off the heads Charlie is cutting off the heads and
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removing the heart of these victims and in fact it was the removal of the heart that the police
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were focusing in on when trying to connect him to potential other homicides that took place near Charlie Brandt and
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the time that he lived in Florida yeah I think the difference though when you look at Dahmer or Kemper I mean you can
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make an argument in their case whether it was nature or nurture I think in the Charlie Brandt case it's it's his nature
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it just seems like he this is the way he was born he was messed up from the beginning and that excerpt from Edgar
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Allan Poe goes beyond just the idea of the heart that line where Poe says there was no
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reason for what I did I look at the cases of Charlie Brandt and the ones that they law enforcement
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say he is guilty of the murder of his mother the murder of his wife his niece and the murder of Sherry parisho
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now I can't find it one good God damn reason why he did any of those murders let alone all four of them there's no
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reason for what he did the only thing is the only thing that could possibly explain it is that he's he's not like
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you and I captain he's not like the rest of us there's something incredibly wrong with
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this guy and he was so able so easily able to hide it and keep it inside and hide it from
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everyone when he killed his wife and his niece his friends their family they say
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they had no idea that this would even have been possible he wasn't a violent individual as far as they knew again he
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seemed pretty normal everybody thought he seemed pretty normal everybody thought he seemed pretty intelligent
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where again I think if we're going to compare people this this I think leans more towards like a Bundy where maybe he
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doesn't have the Charisma or anything like that but I I think Kemper put some people off and with his personality and
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I think so did Dahmer yeah and I would bet you that the people closest to Charlie Brandt may have seen some sides
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of him that aren't so obvious to the rest of us maybe they had some things that put them
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off uh about Charlie but Detective Pat Diaz who is just one of many detectives that
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we're working on possible cases that they could connect to Charlie Brandt he goes on to say that
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it doesn't to him that this is some kind of disease and he and others would agree that a guy
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like this just doesn't stop doesn't stop somewhere between the three cases between
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murdering his mom and then all those years later murdering his wife and his niece well and this is where I I there's
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a part of me that agrees with law enforcement that you have to look at you know the the mutilation of his last
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victim but I think it's probably you're going to see some kind of escalation that's what's going to make it a lot
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more difficult for them because there could have been a gradual escalation to where he ended up at in
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the in the Darlene taller case they were trying to scientifically connect it to Charlie Brandt in fact they found dog
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hairs in the bed of his truck there were dog hairs or animal hairs I should say that were found on the blankets that her
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body was wrapped up in right they sent those away for a comparison for scientific analysis and could not
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conclusively confirm that those hairs matched one another so we don't get any scientific evidence to back up the idea
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of what law enforcement believes is Charlie Brandt having been involved in the murder of Darlene taller in
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1995. but the Detective Pat Diaz goes on to say I believe that this is a a disease
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this guy didn't stop in between those three cases Darlene Toller was found stuffed in garbage bags in South Dade
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County it was almost like the killer delivered us a package with the body left on the side of the road for
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everyone to find after the murder of Darlene Toller nine other sex workers turned up dead in South Florida
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according to law enforcement those cases were very similar to Darlene taller for
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example some were stuffed in duffel bags or suitcases and made easy to find and this year Captain is from Miami News
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7. and they say some very profound things here and say that because Charlie Brandt was
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so crafted at killing and because Charlie Brant killed himself the suspicions that Charlie Brandt may have
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killed 10 to 12 even 14 women may never be confirmed however one fact will not change
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there were two Charlie brandts who lived in the Keys and the Charlie Brandt that the people
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didn't know was one of the sickest serial killers in South Florida history [Music]
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I want to thank you for joining us here again in the garage onward and upward inching our way just like LeBron James
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you know just we're going to break the record get to that thousand episodes we're inch in our way
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join us for the journey Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners this week we are
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happy to recommend Invisible Killer the monster behind the mask by Diana montaigne and Sean Robin's Invisible
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Killer is the true story of the crimes committed by Charlie Brandt and some of the crimes he has suspected of
00:47:56
committing this is a very complete telling of the True Crime Story of this serial killer along with insights from
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an FBI profiler and a forensic psychologist you can check out that recommendation and many more at True
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Crime garage.com yeah if you haven't checked out the website you should do so and pick up some swag while you're at it
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and until next week be good be kind and don't litter thank you