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[Music] foreign [Music] so we have three individuals in custody which detectives believe may have been
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involved in the Hi-Fi store robbery and murders those three men are Dale Pierre William Andrews and Keith Roberts all
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living at the nearby Hill Air Force Base yeah two of them they apprehended right and then one of
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them turned themselves in according to the papers Keith Roberts turned himself in we don't know the details of that
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sometimes they issue an official statement looking for someone and then that person turns themselves in because
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they feel like they have no other recourse but that's what the paper State regardless of how it all came about it's
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time to get some more evidence in addition to what they currently have which is witness statements and don't
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forget about the personal items of the victims that belong to the victims that were found in a dumpster at the barracks
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where the men live to be clear though just because those items were found in that dumpster
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does not directly tie any three of these men to the crime itself yeah but I wonder at the scene do we have any
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fingerprints we should have DNA we know that there was a rape that took place correct so it's it's 1974.
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who knows if they collected DNA or not at the time but to further that we do have and and I
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was going to kind of save this for later in the game but there is a statement from one of the victims that the
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perpetrators of this robbery were wearing gloves at the time right but what we will have and this is going
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to be significant we have a search warrant that is issued for the barracks where all three of the
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men lived there police found flyers for the Hi-Fi shop you know like sale flyers
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and advertisements for merchandise at the store but what is truly going to seal the deal
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when it came to bringing up actual murder charges and robbery charges against these guys it was during this
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search that law enforcement found a rental contract for a unit at a local storage facility
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it's my understanding that not only is this found in their possession but at least one of the men signed the actual
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contract so the storage unit was being rented by them one this unit was pretty close to the Hi-Fi store so what this is
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going to be here is going to be another quick phone call get another search warrant but this time for the storage
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unit so following the issuance of said warrant a boatload or should I say two van loads
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amount of stereo equipment was located inside this storage unit very soon later using the serial numbers on the
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merchandise it was confirmed that all of it came from the store and was stolen on
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the night of the murders also recovered from the storage unit was a half empty bottle of Drano yeah that's
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horrifying because we know the details with the collection of this evidence these young men were charged with murder
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and aggravated robbery some interesting things here Captain some of the reports say that the police
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believe that more individuals were involved in the robbery slash theft of these items
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but these three men all of them Airmen in the Air Force living at the nearby Hill Air Base were
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the only persons ever arrested and ever charged in this case yeah it's I mean it's confusing one
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that these individuals would sign up to Serve and Protect our freedoms and then they'd Go off into
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a crime like this and commit murders like this and you have eyewitnesses that place two
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vehicles at the scene so is it possible that police believe that these crimes happen and maybe just
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two men are responsible for the attacks and the murders why there's another set of guys that were also stealing stuff
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yeah and I think we'll we'll tear through that as we go along here because that's what this second half will be is
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really a deep dive into the details of the crime itself who did what and possibly even why and you reference you
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know why these guys would sign up for to protect our freedoms of this great country
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and then carry out these horrific murders and I'm not saying that this in fact applies here I don't know it to be
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the case one way or another so I want to please do not hear what I'm not saying but what right but one thing you know
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and I get I get these great emails from so many great people out there and they say Nick why are you constantly
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referencing old cases that you guys have covered or other cases that you have some knowledge of and it's for the
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simple fact that detectives FBI investigating agencies one thing that they do is they rely on their
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experiences and past studies from Criminal behavior and they apply it to their current investigations so that's
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why we constantly do that here in the garage it's a true crime discussion we're talking True Crime my comment on
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why these guys would sign up to protect us and then they care carried out these crimes again I don't know it to be the
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case here but one thing I know about a lot of older cases especially from the 60s and 70s when you see young
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individuals young men that are 18 19 20 years old and they're committing these terrible crimes and
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they were in the army or the Navy and people were going how did the Army not catch this guy you know that he's some
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right killing lunatic how did they let this guy sign up for the Navy or for the Army I found in a lot of cases
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that you could go before a judge when you were 17 years old and you committed some minor offense and part of your
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defense to get a a lesser sentence or to get a light slap on the wrist was to say
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my intentions are right after high school I'm signing up for the Army I'm signing up for the Navy it's it's no
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question that everybody receives discipline by going and signing up for and serving right you you become more
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mature wiser and disciplined and a lot of times judges see that as a way of you know we are or should be first and
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foremost in the position of wanting to rehabilitate offenders that can be rehabilitated and so I don't mind that
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method so much I don't know that it happened here but it brings up the good question of did it I think more
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important is and I had a little hard time figuring this out why the higher number most Reports say that police at
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some point thought maybe five or even six people total were believed to have been involved in
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the commission of these crimes well think about you get two Vans you have drivers in each van and then you have
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two individuals taking stuff that would be a total of six right and I think a lot of this stems from another
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story that came out that it is believed that involved the three individuals that
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are currently in custody in this Hi-Fi case that they along with three other males
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went into a different stereo shop in another town near closing time and the owner says he believed
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the six of these men were behaving strangely and I don't know if there was a confrontation but there was no robbery
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there was no attack that went down right and so my thought is maybe that this story really just kind of went with
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police going well think about it too it's 1974 the size of stereo equipment is much different in 74
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than it is today it's huge and very likely they used both of those vans that were seen at the scene to transport all
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of this stereo equipment that they had to hot they had to rent a storage facility to store it there
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this was like 24 to 25 000 worth of stereo equipment yeah well maybe when they went to this other
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location if they did and depending on how this store owner reacted or how many employers
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how many employees were there at the time it might have deterred them from trying to commit the crime that night
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the thing that I think is troubling to say for certain if there were five or six individuals involved the three that
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they have in custody it's my understanding that none of them confessed to anything they had to take
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them to trial and try each one of these individuals and see if they can convict them so it's not like a situation where
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we have people rolling over on one another and turning in other people to to lessen their sentence let's say well I
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think I I do believe that the the driver turned on the other two a little bit but because he wasn't
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inside the building I don't think there was much a ton of evidence that he could give
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them well if he never entered the building other than the two offenders telling him what they did he would have
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no information to offer up as to what happened inside the building or specifically in that basement anyway
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right but what we do know this is really interesting there was some further findings here in this case and these are
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very specific so it was eventually learned that Pierre and Andrews that they got the idea of making the hostage
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drink Drano from a scene in a movie the movie was called magnum force and it was
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the sequel to the movie Dirty Harry the movie Dirty Harry has its own ties to True Crime as many people out there know
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as the psychopathic killer and the movie known as Scorpio well the movie Drew upon the real-life
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case of the Zodiac Killer in some of the creation of ideas for that movie is that
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the go ahead Punk make my day is that the one I I believe it is yes okay well if anybody wants to cast me in
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a role they can just go to True Crime garage.com and email me in the first so this would be the first magnaforce was
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the first of several sequels the movie Magnum Force there is a scene where a woman is forced to drink Drano and in
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that scene she immediately dies so Pierre and Andrews apparently thought that it would be a
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good way to kill any of their likely hostages it would be quick it would be silent it
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would be a good method if they had to kill somebody in the commission of this robbery
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however magnum force is a movie and not real life Drano for those that do not know is an
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industrial strength drain cleaner used primarily for unclogging drains when the victims were forced to drink
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this their mouths and throat began to burn very very badly almost instantly the victims therefore screamed in pain
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this made the assailants attempt to tape the hostage's mouths shut to silence the
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victims however this again because of the Drano would not work either this is because the Drano almost immediately
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caused blistering and blisters to form in the mouths and the throats of the victims their lips and skin around their
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mouths began to peel off but they but these guys didn't bring the Drano with them that's another argument
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why is it an argument because because if they brought it with them that would show premeditation
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correct Okay so when when all of this is occurring not only do we have like skin that's
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peeling off but we also have pus that's oozing from the blisters and all of this
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then makes it impossible for the assailants to tape the victim's mouths shut or to silence them in this manner
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again like I said it looks like they didn't roll on one another or anyone else the question then becomes if there
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was anyone else involved did the police did they never discover the identity of these people never know the names or did
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they was it a situation where they had an idea of who but couldn't get the evidence to match
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it heck it's difficult to say if Keith Roberts was even offered a deal to talk or testify against anyone specifically
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Andrews and Pierre because that's who might be willing to deal who you you know law enforcement
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might be willing to deal with out of the three in custody now in regards to two of the three
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arrested I do know from newspaper reports that William Andrews said he was seeking a public defender
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and Pierre said he already had counsel because he had been charged with auto theft a few months earlier
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and because of that charge he already had an attorney fighting for him in that charge
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so let's get to the trial here captain jury selection began in the fall of 1974 in Farmington
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notice we didn't say Ogden right and Farmington they moved the trial from Ogden because of all of the publicity
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this would end up being one of the fastest turnarounds I can recall but you have to keep in mind back then when you
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had a really horrible crime that really just devastates everyone right they move faster they move a little bit
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faster so which I think maybe we could learn something from I think that's something that we could do better
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and then the justice system now I think both ways you know what I mean like I feel like
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back then specifically this case moved along a little too fast for my liking okay but I also see some cases nowadays
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that seem to drag on way too long for my liking right okay so when you have a really horrible crime
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you know we said devastates everyone this crime Captain to say that this devastated Ogden is a huge huge
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understatement this was a shock to everyone of course on the local level at the state level and nationally
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and when this happens we're talking about things how they may have worked in 1974 they
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are ready to go to trial as soon as the prosecutor says we've built a case and we're ready to proceed
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it also helps from a discovery and evidentiary standpoint there was only one event right there was
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only one event here that encompasses everything all in contrast to something like the Golden
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State killer who's also known as ears or ons the original Night Stalker case there are so
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many different events that when Joseph James D'Angelo was arrested back in April of 2018
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here we are two years later and still waiting on the trial and that's what I mean it's it's a bit
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of a pisser right when you have a case like that when you have this old dude who will not admit to anything that he
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did and he's one of the worst people ever to walk this planet it's it's hard to to call him a person
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yeah but if he is truly absolute animal guilty of all the things he's being accused of
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the real kick in the nuts here for the public is this guy won't admit to anything he doesn't want to
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he clearly doesn't want to be convicted of anything he's not like BTK where BTK comes out and he's almost proud of his
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killings and says this is what I did and this is how I did it no this guy he says
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sit down let me tell you a story this guy is fully ready to die and not give his victims that are still alive many of
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his victims that are still alive that little piece of some kind of closure oh he's a real piece of [ __ ] now
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I will say in the defense of the court system out there in California that I do believe that covid-19 has affected
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the start date for that trial because I remember reading in January of 2020. that the judge was saying
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look defense team for D'Angelo you've you've dragged this thing out long enough we're going to bring this to
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trial and I think he put a date on on the end of April 2020 and of course we know the the whole world changed between
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January and April of this year yeah it's been the worse here I think I've been alive
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yeah I mean it's been a very tough year number one I heard a joke the the other day which I I found to be one kind of
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funny but also kind of smart that said the the two the two smartest Americans in the world left the world
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it took off into outer space but so I guess if you really want to compare this to to a more modern day case I
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would compare it to the Cheshire murders which we covered back in Halloween of 2017 Up episodes 154
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155. it was a home invasion and the murders took place in June of 2007 and the trials didn't go down until one was
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in September of 2010 and the other was the following year in September of 2011. that was the case where the the husband
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was in the basement he was he was asleep on the couch they knocked him out tied them up in the basement it's weird
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because that case mirrors the Hi-Fi murders case quite a bit when you think about it right because you had the dad
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in this situation the high five murders get loose and and try to get to help yeah and both of them
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you have the perpetrators from from what we can what we can deduce from both of these crimes is it appears that both
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sets of perpetrators understood that there were going to be people inside that won the residents one inside the
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shop that they were going to have to control and do something with or to while they robbed the joint so that for
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me is very similar cases and of course that case they were seeking capital punishment those were capital punishment
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trials and that's what we would see in the Hi-Fi murders as well so this is going to be a joint trial which I'm not
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a I'm not a real big fan of I I really feel like I hate them I really feel like everybody should be tried kind of
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individually because I think that there are the there are some people that are more guilty than others in the
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commission of some of these crimes especially when we're talking about murders especially when we're talking
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about the death penalty cases and I almost feel like some of the Lesser guilty maybe they are guilty but
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the Lesser guilty people get lumped in with the more guilty and that doesn't seem to be fair to this garage idiot
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well and because in this case we have multiple crimes right we have theft we have we have taking over the building so
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we have hostages we have again we have three individuals not all three are involved in all those we have the
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rape and then we have the attempted murders and the murders right and you have to
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separate who did what and when and then and how responsible is each person for what they did themselves or
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what they were a part of you know just being there right so from my understanding here Captain we
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have again a joint trial all three Pierre Andrews and Roberts are charged with first degree murder and robbery and
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the trial began on October 15 1974. during the trial it was revealed that Pierre and Andrews had robbed the store
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with the intention of killing anyone they came across Survivor Oren Walker was the star Witness
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for the prosecution Oren took the stand and told the jury how Pierre and Andrews Pierre actively
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was determined to kill everyone in the store his testimony was by far and away the most damning to all of the
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defendants Pierre and Andrews especially here we have a guy that suffered and somehow survived an attack that he can
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give first-hand knowledge of and recount the murders of three and injuries and how they happened to himself and
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Courtney Nisbet well and the torture that took place yeah the thing here captain that is going to be a real real
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bad problem for Pierre and Andrews one is the fact that that we have the testimony from Oren that Michelle begged
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and begged and begged for her life that she pled pleaded with them not to kill her this is after she was brutally raped
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we also have the fact that all said all of the victims that are tied up saying hey just take anything you want but
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don't kill us please don't kill us you can take anything you want so what what this is pointing out we are not talking
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about a robbery where any one of the victims is going that's giving any type of resistance at
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all right none of these victims are making anything more difficult for these robbers they're compliant it's like
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you've said in many cases if the intent was just to steal this stereo equipment you had no resistance so obviously that
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would have done that that wasn't your intent because you murdered these individuals and tortured these
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individuals and it's reminiscent of what we talked about a few weeks ago right with Paul John Knowles an individual who
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was robbing people stealing their vehicles sometimes stealing their identities taking their money their
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personal possessions it appears that very few of his murder victims and it's believed that he killed
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a lot of people very few of them even knew who he was meaning he could have just taken their items and left but he
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decided that he had to kill them [Music] [Music] and welcome back cheers mates cheers to
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you Captain so before the break we were talking about the problems the damning testimony coming from Oren Walker
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telling everybody hey this is what went down during the commission of these crimes this is how these people were
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killed and by whom we also have further testimony from Warren that we didn't get to and this is going to be
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very troubling especially for Pierre because Oren is on the stand and he's saying
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look Pierre returned to me twice to make sure that I was dead right and when he still Found Me Alive the
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first time he strangled me with a cord then he leaves again and then the next time he returns with a flashlight
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to assist him in taking my pulse to see if I have a pulse and when he discovers that I do have one
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I'm still alive Pierre once again tries his best to end My Life by jamming a pen
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into my ear and kicking it and stomping on it that it broke through and we know that
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it went through into Oren's throat in my mind captain no doubt Pierre thought that the pen busted through into the
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brain right and it was only then that he thought the deed was done and did not feel the need anymore to
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check the man for a pulse yeah so it was really the testimony of the Survivor of this this
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victim that is going to help seal the deal here now due to his amnesia suffered from the many many injuries
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that were part of the commission of these murders and robbery Byron Courtney Nesbitt was unable to testify he's got
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you know he he does have memories of the crimes but during the trial itself he was unable to testify yeah just one
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month after the start of the trial this is on November 16th Pierre and Andrews were convicted of all charges
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and Roberts III man was convicted of only robbery four days later Pierre and Andrews were
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sentenced to death let's just go back to that for a minute because the driver what they were able to find out is that
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yes he drove the vehicle there but he never went inside so he not only did he not witness what happened
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so he wouldn't have been able to stop it because he didn't witness it but I don't
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think they even told him what they did when they left so he didn't even have knowledge of of those crimes well and
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according to our two surviving victims what their statements have always been is they believe that the majority or all
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of the merchandise that was stolen from the store was removed before anybody was killed
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right so Roberts was sentenced to Five Years to Life five years to life imprisonment
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for his his involvement in these crimes the other thing here that I want to point
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out Captain is a really tricky detail on all of this the men that committed these crimes were
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they're not idiots right these are these are relatively intelligent men their acts in in criminal behavior is is
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disgusting but one thing that I've always had trouble with this especially with Pierre with
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this individual Pierre well they're capable of being in the Air Force they broke into the Hi-Fi shop shortly before
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it closed we you didn't have to have any victims is what I keep returning to yeah you
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could have they're they're relatively intelligent individuals they could have they could
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have easily anyone you know they're even us two garage idiots could go you know what it might be better for us to break
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into the stereo store well hold on after they close well hold on a second I'm looking around looking around the garage
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you're like we could use a new stereo just saying but but no no but I I think it's almost like Pierre used this
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as like I can get some people to come along with me to help me steal some stereo equipment
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but that's not what I'm doing this for I'm actually doing it because I want to kill somebody I'm actually doing it
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because I want to rape somebody to me it feels like a double whammy situation you
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know the uh I think he wanted to do more than just Rob the place like you said right now
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the Hi-Fi murders are still regarded as one of the worst criminal acts ever committed in the state of Utah the FBI
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Academy at Quantico actually teaches trainees about the case specifically the story of
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the detective in front of the crowd removing pieces of articles that you know the the purses
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the wallet personal items from the victim removing those in front of the crowd in 1982 a book by Gary Kinder
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titled victim the other side of murder was released originally Kinder was going to write a an In Cold Blood style book
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that would focus on Dale Selby Pierre the murderer Kinder exchanged over 200 letters with
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the convicted killer and even visited him several times at the Utah State Prison Pierre turned on Kinder in 1980
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when Kinder refused to sign over 10 percent of the book's proceeds to Pierre looks like Pierre thought he could
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capitalize on the murders even from behind Prison Walls this prompted kinder to change directions completely and
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focus on the victim on one of the victims Courtney Nesbitt and the effect the HiFi murders had on him and his
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family Kinder set up a trust for Courtney based on a percentage of the book and film
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rights and the case became the basis for the 1991 CBS TV movie titled aftermath a
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test of love one they're going to talk about the whole Drano situation as well whether they brought it or not and what
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I believe that Pierre claims is that when he's using the restroom he saw the Drano there and that's when he decided
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to make the victims drink the drain now yeah so I couldn't find what the original trial
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defense was set up what what their whole story was right but what I could find was what we have is a later Appeals
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proceeding or appeals hearing I don't know the exact terminology for it basically what we have is Pierre is
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nearing the execution date he was sentenced to death and they're going to have a hearing to
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give the opportunity of maybe we can commute this to a life sentence at which Pierre speaks and he says the
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Drano I went to use the restroom during the robbery I saw the Drano there I put two and two together and thought I would
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use it on the victims the problem you have with that is we do know at the original
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trial Oren Walker's testimony was that at some point after everybody was tied up one of
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the men he heard one of the men say to the other man to go get something from the van outside right and that is when
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one of the men returned to the basement with this liquid all of a sudden that they were supposed to be drinking
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then we have this other manner that I think we should get to before we wrap things up here too yeah but can we just
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stay on that for just one second I believe even if you know from what we've seen and what
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we've talked to lawyers and stuff you're at this scene and you decide that you're going to make them drink this
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liquid this poison just the thought that it you know to pour it into cups or however you're
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going to have them drink it or if they're gonna this is enough time to to constitute as
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premeditation so I it doesn't matter to me if you brought it with you or you didn't
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like you know to argue those little details to try to get it reduced to life a life
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sentence doesn't make a lot of sense to me well and it would be quite the coincidence to have a completely
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different person saying I saw two of the perpetrators watching Magnum Force where this woman is forced to
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drink some kind of liquid or Drano in the movie and she dies immediately and I hear them discussing
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the the scene in the movie right that's that's quite the coincidence now could it have gone down exactly as Pierre said
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maybe who knows we weren't there we don't know for certain and Aura never says specifically that he heard the one
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man say to the other go get the Drano from the van or go get blah blah blah from the van he doesn't specify what it
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is that he hears the man asked to go get from the drain or from the van but regardless like you said Captain there
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is a certain level of premeditation in either scenario if Pierre wants to diminish it to maybe
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get him a chance at life imprisonment instead of the death penalty I mean I can I can understand pulling
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out all stops and and attempting anything during that hearing but the other thing we should discuss too is
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that there was another murder okay this took place on October 5th 1973. police responded to a homicide this is
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at the apartment of Air Force Sergeant Edward Jefferson who was stationed at the Hill Air Force
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Base just south of Ogden It is believed that Jefferson was murdered in his sleep
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he was found on his couch wearing a set of thermal underwear and his hands were still folded across his chest
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within days police had a possible suspect but they only knew this man as Dale from the West Indies
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as they continue to interview persons close to the victim they figured out that Dale from the West Indies was
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likely 20 year old Airman Dale Pierre from witness statements here is the theory that they piece together
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less than a week before the murder several people friends if you will were at Sergeant Jefferson's apartment
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hanging out Jefferson's key ring with the keys to his vehicle and apartment turn up missing
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everyone there helps Jefferson to search the apartment for the keys but they never turn up
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the next day Dale Pierre returned to the apartment and while he's there He suggests hey let's search the apartment
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again to look for the keys this time the keys magically turn up Jefferson was very suspicious and did a
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little investigation of his own Jefferson learned that Pierre took his keys to the Air Force base's locksmith
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and using a fake name Curtis Alexander he had duplicates made of the keys Jefferson confronted Pierre about this
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two days later Jefferson is found dead on his couch in his own living room the killer this is what police could piece
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together the killer had placed a pillow over Jefferson's face and drove a bayonet
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through his face oh my God killing him instantly with the first blow however that was not enough to feed the Rage of
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the Killer because the killer drove the bayonet through Jefferson's face repeatedly the
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blade went all the way through his brain and the hilt of the weapon fractured his
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skull the detectives believed that the killer enjoyed committing this murder and that
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is why he drove the bayonet through this man's face over and over again police were certain that Dale Pierre was
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Sergeant Jefferson's killer but they never had enough evidence to bring him to trial or to make an official arrest
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well those that's one of those cases you know hindsight you're going to go well maybe the case doesn't get solved and
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maybe we can't put all the pieces together but now that we have him connected with these
00:39:42
horrible murders you kind of go well that case is kind of solved then you kind of wonder what else
00:39:49
if you know after you know about the Hi-Fi murders what else is this guy capable of and it doesn't seem like
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they're capable of anything yeah there's any limits to that now Dale Selby Pierre
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some of the Articles and stories you find about this guy there are variations of his name and that is because once he
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was in prison Pierre changed his name more than 20 times in fact one report I saw said 27 times
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he says that this is because he was trying to spare his family embarrassment and hostility from the community
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now Dale Selby Pierre was executed on August 28 1987. he was the first person in the state of
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Utah to be executed by way of lethal injection there was a brilliant article by Jerry
00:40:40
Spangler and the Desiree news and these executions are very hard to report on because there is such a mixed
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bag of emotions and opinions on the death penalty itself and rightfully so parts of the article read
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calmly Dale Selby Pierre blinked his eyes and licked his lips he took deep breaths
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his eyes fixed on the bright lights above his head he wiggled his toes and muttered a quiet prayer as the toxic
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chemicals dripped relentlessly into his bloodstream one of Utah's most notorious
00:41:17
Killers calmly closed his eyes and slipped quietly into death there was no anger no protest no
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violence from him Selby's death was in marked contrast to the hours-long torture slangs of
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three people in the basement of an Ogden stereo shop there was no protest from Selby now I'm
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saying Selby because in this article that's the name that they are using when he changed his name Captain most the
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time he was his birth name from my understanding is Dale Selby Pierre when he changed his name he really just
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moved around those three three names yeah so there was no pre protest from Pierre
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but outside there were some 200 demonstrators many of them opponents of the death penalty but some of them very
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much for the death penalty you have to keep in mind though too there were some people who are pro-death penalty for
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very specific situations and not many others I think likely that could have been the case here
00:42:27
with several in the crowd that were all for it the death penalty opponents saying songs
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like we shall overcome an amazing grace while probe death penalty demonstrators saying poor Selby poor son of a gun he's
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gonna die one man wore pencils on his head going into his ears of like a variation of the
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fake Arrow trick right he carried a can of Drano yeah it was intended to make the point
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representing an eye for an eye Dale Selby Pierre was pronounced dead shortly after 1am he was 34 years old
00:43:06
Pierre requested that the 29 and his commissary account be left to his friend William Andrews
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Dale Selby Pierre was the first person executed in the state of Utah since Utah executed Gary Gilmore
00:43:23
on January 17 1977. so roughly 10 years between these two executions oddly enough Captain one could say that
00:43:33
Gary Gilmore was executed for indiscriminate felony murder as well he too committed armed robbery and both
00:43:41
times killed the person working at the establishments that he robbed right Gilmore chose the firing squad method
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and when asked on the morning of January 17 1977 if he had any last words he simply replied let's do it William
00:43:59
Andrews was executed by the state of Utah using lethal injection on July 30th 1992. his last meal was a
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banana split that he shared with his sister and niece during their final visit at the execution
00:44:18
and just before Anders did not discuss the three murders he was sentenced to die for and a final statement he said
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thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive I hope this was very controversial I mean they're trying to
00:44:33
get his death sentence reduced to life for a while yes so going into that Andrew's always stuck to his story that
00:44:43
he was with Pierre that he did help take each victim captive and robbed the store
00:44:49
but he did not physically buy his own hand kill any of the three murder victims whether you agree with that or
00:44:56
not but we stated from the beginning of the trials was this is one of the problems I have and I think you have
00:45:03
with trying trying people together yeah but then on top of that you I mean you have all kinds of other issues with this
00:45:11
I mean Oren it doesn't sound like he's 100 on who did what I mean keep in mind he's
00:45:18
in a lot of pain he's tied up he's he's face down on a basement floor but it seems like he is of the belief
00:45:25
too that Pierre is the one that was responsible for all of the murders and most of the actual physical torture
00:45:33
and then later we have Courtney Nesbitt who survived but could not testify because of amnesia
00:45:40
what he does seem to remember or believes that he remembers according to the book victim
00:45:46
is he says that he remembers hearing the two men arguing either upstairs or in another part of the basement over what
00:45:55
to do with the victims and that it was decided that they were going to kill them but Andrews is saying I can't do it
00:46:04
to which Pierre then says I'll take care of it give me 30 minutes but again that's that's the troubling thing here
00:46:13
where is the line because obviously if that is exactly what took place Andrews didn't stop Pierre from going in the
00:46:21
other room and attempting to kill five people yeah so in that then you helped make the
00:46:28
decision right and you decided to bring guns to the scene you may have helped to
00:46:32
decide to bring Drano to the scene there's a whole long list of of offenses here
00:46:38
now in his final statement as said he said thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive you pointed out
00:46:44
yes because this was controversial at the time still is controversial I hope they continue to fight for Equal justice
00:46:51
After I'm Gone tell my family goodbye and I love them a prison official asked him
00:46:58
this has been a long haul for you hasn't it to which Andrews replied yes I'm actually very tired yeah it's very uh
00:47:07
very tragic case Keith Roberts who was just 19 at the time of the murders he was the getaway driver and it was in
00:47:15
fact determined at the trial that he had no role in nor knowledge of the murders
00:47:22
he was convicted of two counts of aggravated robbery Roberts was paroled in May of 1987 after
00:47:29
nearly 13 years in prison I have seen some different reports out there but because I cannot verify for certain I'll
00:47:37
report what seems to be the general consensus of reporting and that is that Keith Roberts moved to the state of
00:47:44
Oklahoma after his parole it does not appear that he got into any further trouble with the law and it does look
00:47:52
like he passed away back in 1992. Oren Walker the star witness at the trial of the men convicted for the Hi-Fi
00:48:02
murders and robbery passed away in February of 2000 at the age of 69 and then 28 years after the brutal Hi-Fi
00:48:12
murders that shocked Utah Byron Courtney Nesbitt one of only two survivors in the
00:48:18
1974 torture murder Rampage died at the young age of 44. Courtney died in Seattle after a long
00:48:28
and undisclosed illness Courtney was shot in the head and left for dead during the commission of those
00:48:35
crimes he suffered throughout his life from disabilities from being tortured in the stereo shop
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his father Dr Byron Nesbitt declined for comment only saying this is the end of the Hi-Fi story I want this to be the
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