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[Music] thank you foreign we have two bodies that were found and the detectives have now identified the
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victims as Brian King and Christina Benjamin detectives are going to have to Canvas the area because now we have our
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third crime scene to investigate we already searched and conducted investigations where both bodies were
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found and now we have the possible location of where the killer may have picked up the kids at their home
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asking friends and neighbors if anyone knew anything or saw anything is going to be the top priority on their list
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and they had a person or two say that the kids were going to meet up with a kid named Jason
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but no one knew Jason's last name so you can see we are piecing this thing together pretty good here all right this
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is a difficult case but it's going to get worse so here's a little warning moving forward we have to
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discuss a topic that nobody likes nobody likes it at all we have some cruelty to
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animals to discuss detectives are going to get a very strange lead this is one of the strangest leads I've ever heard
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of and this comes from a police report police responded to a strange call now this was after Brian and Christina
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went missing but before their bodies were found this takes place in the town of Ennis
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Texas which is just about a 10-minute Drive south of Garrett where our two victims live
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police were called to the McDonald's restaurant and longtime listeners of this show
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Mickey Deeds yeah long time listeners of this show know that nothing seems nothing good seems to happen at the
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McDonald's restaurant on the show this is at the McDonald's the old Mickey D's as Captain said in Ennis
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they're called because someone was there killing an animal oh God by the time the police arrived
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the man who was doing something to an animal behind the McDonald's was gone the man killed a calf
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and was further mutilating the animal a calf not a cat correct the man ran from the scene but at the
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scene the police found a 1982 tan Subaru and on the ground near the vehicle they
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found a bracelet with the name Jason engraved on it all right so we have a tan vehicle we're
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looking for possibly somebody named Jason and in this police report we have a bracelet found with the name Jason on
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it a tan vehicle abandoned behind the McDonald's where a man was reported to have been killing an animal can you
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imagine being at work that day and going I think that guy is doing something to that animal
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we need to call the cops yeah I don't know this area very well it seems like a strange
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location for something like this to be going on right doesn't this seem like a little out in the open for such a
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a weird and bizarre activity my mind instantly went to picturing you know those like zombie movies
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have to like catch a deer for food but they catch it almost like an animal would
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that's that's what it what I picture that's strange because yeah I I had a very similar thought when when I first
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read about this so this guy he is known to police they traced the vehicle back to a one
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Jason Eric Massey and again police know this guy he had a history a criminal record of what well
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Jason Massey was actually pretty much fresh out of the clink he was sentenced to serve 120
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days in jail this is due to an incident in early 1993 same year Jason was pulled
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over and he was driving drunk and in the car police found marijuana and a cat with a noose tied around its
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neck dead dead cat there's different reports okay and I I don't know which one's
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better well I guess the live one because the cops can save the cat yeah but in all honesty Captain I didn't have the
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strength to further down that to go further down that road I thought yesterday's episode was bad but you just
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one-upped it didn't you we just had to go and uh that's not what I'm going for here I am going for a case study believe
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it or not but there there's going to be some bumps along the way obviously for all hate mail send it to Nick at
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truecrime garage.com well Jason had a bunch of sharp instruments in the vehicle as well so if
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the cat was alive don't use your imagination because you don't really have to some Reports say
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that these were these were tools sharp tools and other Reports say that they were weapons so he was picked up and
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locked up for these you know it's a several charges actually and Jason's bizarre violent
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history goes back even further a one-time friend of Jason's this was a female she told police that Jason was stalking
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her at some point when she avoided him someone killed the family's dog and smeared the blood of
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the animal all over the girl's vehicle in their driveway the girl in the family really firmly
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believed that it was in fact Jason that did this but unfortunately law enforcement never had any proof of that
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and so Jason okay let me really nobody was ever arrested for that horrific Act I think I understand what you're saying
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but I might have blacked out for a second so he's stalking this girl she believes he's stalking allegedly and
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then their dog the family dog ends up dead um and they believe the blood from the dog
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was smeared on her vehicle in retaliation for who knows what you know a lot of times when these for
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probably not saying hi to him in class or for nothing at all because these we do know that these stalkers they they
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come up with their own thoughts their own ideas their own fantasies obsessions sometimes the relationship there is no
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relationship and there's stuff going on that is not going on that they perceive something that only they could right so
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who knows what's going on through the mind of this person if in fact the person that committed those acts was
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Jason I think if if he is the same guy that was doing a similar thing behind the McDonald's then it looks very likely
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to me that that he's guilty of this as well well right we already have him pulled over with this cat situation so
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I think it's not that big of a leap right so the the thing now here Captain is police need to find
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and locate Jason Massey and bring him in for questioning because even though he was locked up in early 1993
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he was out in time to have possibly been involved in the murders and again we know based off of eyewitness or or
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witness reports that the kids were believed to have met up with somebody named Jason that night that they went
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missing right so one also the car yeah I mean there's there's we're we're starting to get a nice trail of evidence
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all leading to the same terrible individual now while all of this is going on police
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have already picked up two guys we can Venture into this a little more if you wish later but I'll just go ahead
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and throw this out there some of the reports say that these men were arrested in relation to the murders
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I really question the word arrested in those reports and we can get like I said we can get into that much more
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later but that's where the whole phrase of yesterday's show there were more than
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one suspect in this case because there are reports of other people being arrested right these guys were
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questioned by police because police knew that Christina and Brian knew these individuals and it appears maybe even
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quite well in fact some newspapers say that one of these guys was Christina's boyfriend
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the discrepancy in age well I guess discrepancy is not the best word the difference in age between these
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two guys and Christina makes me doubt the word boyfriend I think boyfriend and girlfriend are
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overused terms regardless of what their relationship is or was one of these guys seems to have
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known both Christina and Brian but also Jason Massey this guy his name is Christopher Nolan
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when asked by detectives do you know anyone who would want to harm Brian and Christina this guy Chris Nolan says yes
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that the police should be looking for a former friend of his named Jason Massey right Chris thought Jason was strange
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weird and violent he said he had seen Jason kill animals and Jason once told him if there was ever a serial killer in
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the area that it would be him hold on a second you said something there animals plural
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yes don't you think after the first time you go yeah I'm not hanging out with that
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guy anymore yeah you have to stick around for the second time you go oh maybe that was an
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accident well their relationship is a is a strange one and we'll get into that a
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little bit more as well so more importantly what I want to look at here Captain is who is Jason Massey who
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is this Goomba right Jason Eric Massey is a high school dropout and he has blonde hair and owns a tan Subaru right
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that was the one that was found at the anime animal mutilation scene at the back of the McDonald's he was in jail on
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a 21-day sentence but was released a week I I have here for whatever reason a week
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or so before the teenagers went missing I think my notes are incorrect here I actually think that it was more
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it was just over a month that he was released before they went missing right one of the guys questioned by police
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said he had introduced Jason to Christina so now they have proof or at least a witness saying Jason knew one of
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the victims right Jason grew up about as poor as one can and he was raised by a monster of a
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woman Jason was only 20 years old at the time at this time of our story he was born in 1973 to either a single mother
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or some Reports say Daddy left just before or shortly after the boy was born Jason's mother was a substance abuser
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and a child abuser she beat Jason and his younger sister often with a belt she she also kept food from her kids
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the reports I saw said that she would keep all of the food for the house in her personal bedroom under lock and key
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and sometimes the kids were only fed scraps you know after Mom already ate dinner right
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this is you know when she's hiding the food or locking it up in her bedroom this stuff is going on
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in the house when this family was fortunate enough to live in a house or an apartment because they were so poor
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that sometimes they were living in Mom's vehicle now mom brought a lot of terrible men
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around the kids too some of them would hit and Bully Jason and in fact it's strongly believed that one of them
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sexually assaulted Jason when he was young I saw a couple different reports of of what age he would have been but he
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would have been young Captain this would have been if it happened it happened between the ages of like eight and ten
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and Jason and his sister were constantly showing up to school with unexplained bruises they were dirty and they were
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hungry Child Protective Services was called a few times but it seems like maybe the
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ever-changing living situation the ever-changing addresses living in and out of a vehicle at times this really
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seemed to get in the way of CPS ever truly stepping in and even possibly removing the kids out
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of that terrible situation and in Jason's case it may have been too late by that point
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even if they would have stepped in and taken Jason from the house and I think we'll see why
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now a few weeks ago we covered the still unsolved Evansdale murders in a statement from one of the victims
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families to the unknown killer there was a very interesting phrase that I want people to keep in mind
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in regards to what we've just discussed the interesting phrase to me and and you
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Captain was hurt people hurt meaning of course sometimes victims become victimizers
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and that is what I think we are seeing here with Jason as he grows up and he's getting bigger and stronger the once
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little boy who suffered so much pain deal out by his mother and the company that she kept well Jason goes from being
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abused to abuser right I mean it's always that question uh chicken under the egg or or nature or nurture and in
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this case we have evidence that that the nurturing was was not correct there was
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no nurturing no just punishment and and abuse and you know on some level uh torture there
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are also reports that he once he got older he bullied and beat up little kids uh kids that were younger weaker than he
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was right and of course we know he suspected of killing innocent animals in his early teens he gets involved
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quite heavily with drugs and alcohol and we always know that drugs and alcohol never make a bad situation better they
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always make a bad situation worse this leads to himself this leads to him dropping out of high school
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we talked about Catherine ramsland a little bit in the last episode and we're going to talk a little more about her in
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fact she's a great true crime author she wrote a piece titled this is this is a piece that anyone can
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find on the crime libraries archives the piece is very fittingly titled all about Jason Massey from victim to
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victimizer and I recommend everybody check that out if they want to learn more about this
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case so let's see what kind of evidence that we can get on this guy right so first of all we have the
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witness statements persons who knew Massey says he was going to become a serial killer that he killed animals a
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younger female saying he stalked her during questioning they couldn't get Massey to confess to the murders
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law enforcement does have statements of persons saying that one or both of our young victims had planned to sneak out
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that night with a guy named Jason but Jason denies knowing either victim and he says he didn't even own a gun
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well that's a nice piece of Defense but we have a girl come forward and she says she saw and interacted with
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Jason Massey the Knight I'm sorry the evening leading up to the murders she says in his stalking her
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I I don't know there's not a detailed report about what they were doing I don't know if they were just hanging out
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or if it was a casual hello but the important part here is she's saying that that she saw him in the possession of a
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gun that evening she also saw him in possession of a box from a local Walmart that contained
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handcuffs so now it's off to Walmart to continue this investigation after talking with staff they get an
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additional lead a male sales clerk working at the Walmart picked Jason Massey out of a
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lineup he said that on July 22nd so this is just four days before the double homicide
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he was working and sold the man that he picked out of the lineup Jason Massey 22 caliber bullets
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two knives and handcuffs and we know that 20 a 22 caliber was used to kill Brian
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now I'll put some pictures of Jason up on our Instagram so if you want to check that out or
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also one of his pictures will be the image for the episode the best way I could describe him is
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he's not a bad looking kid um he actually kind of reminds me of Dave Mustaine from the band Megadeth
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hmm kind of that strawberry blonde hair it's long I didn't piece that together but I I get what you're talking about I
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make I'm making that connection now but somewhere Mr Mustaine is cursing your name Captain cursing you well he he can
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curse me all he wants in fact actually he's not tuning into this show at all I'm just saying if I was casting the
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role of Dave Mustaine young Dave Mustaine you know this guy could fit the fit the role
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yeah so I look I know it's convenient to shop at places like Walmart because they
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carry everything but when you got a guy in the checkout lane and he's purchasing
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bullets knives and handcuffs I don't I don't know what's going on like well the boys do you have a coupon
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for any of that sir yeah the bullet and the knife is not that big of a deal once
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you throw the handcuffs in there you start going what are we doing here right right so let's take this a step further
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shall we police then learned that a 22 caliber gun well it had recently gone missing
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magically missing from Jason's grandmother's house so he says part of his defense to police is I don't even
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own a gun well it's looking like you were out purchasing bullets and there was a gun that went missing from
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your grandmother's house a gun that you had likely had access to did he say I don't even know that lady right it's not
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my grandma so if Jason is the guy it turns out he didn't have to own a gun no he could just steal one from a family
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member now this timeline in the Jason is the murderer theory is really filling out nicely for a strong case
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against this boy it's kind of becoming a no duh well police went ahead and placed
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Massey under arrest but they are not done building their case they get a search warrant they want to search his
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vehicle and his place of residence and they do here are their findings they find newspaper clippings about the
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homicides of both Christina and Brian they find two knives handcuffs a hammer these items were tested and it was
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confirmed that they found small amounts of blood on these items they discovered small blood stains
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inside Jason's car given his horrific hobby of herding animals though that's not really
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surprising to me and he has items with blood on them um additional items that I don't have
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listed here but still no gun or items belonging to the victims those were not found
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in the car they also found duct tape electrical tape and some more blonde hairs even with all of this
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what is looking like mounting evidence Jason is still talking with police but not confessing to anything
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in a weird tactic though he offers them up a hypothetical and this is where the Killer
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whoever that may be right absolutely you're right can you see this conversation okay where the killer whoever May that
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may be may have disposed of the still missing remains [Music] the detectives even went out with him
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and they walked around in the area where the bodies were found as he was hypothetically telling them where the
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killer may have put these items detectives did try the psychological angle they made
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what can only be viewed as strange comments about the crime scene photos when showing them to Jason
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they did get what detectives believed to be a reaction from him from Jason when he was viewing the
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crime scene photos that this was not his first time seeing those images [Music] [Music]
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welcome back it's uh Jason Massey is a real douche well you will be happy to hear captain
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that Jason Massey was arrested on August 6th so a lot of investigative efforts went into this in a rather short period
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of time the two youths went missing July 26th Massey is suspected of killing and
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mutilating the calf on the 28th the two victims bodies were found on the 29th of
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July and the arrest warrant affidavit for Jason Eric Massey was filed on Friday August 6th
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some good old-fashioned detective and police work going on in Ellis County Texas in the summer of 1993 in my humble
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garage opinion Massey's picture was printed in the newspaper this is going to generate
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another lead this is the owner of a car wash they come forward and they say hey I saw this guy that's in the paper Jason
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Massey late one night throwing a whole bunch of stuff into a trash bin this would have been near midnight right he
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says that the boy spotted him the boy being who he believes to be Jason spotted him and packed up his stuff and
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left in a hurry the police went to this trash bin and they're going to start pulling items
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out of the dumpster and when they went through the contents from this car washes dumpster and they went through
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the contents of the car washes vacuum all together they recovered some items that we can only look at them as
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evidence right one is a payroll receipt with Jason Massey's name on it so it appears that this guy might be
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right thinking hey I think I saw this guy Jason Massey there at the car wash that night
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they also found a red bandana with blonde hairs stuck to it and then we have lab results that come
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in and these blonde hairs are confirmed to be that or here's the thing with with hair and
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fiber evidence you have to keep in mind that what you are getting here is an expert opinion
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unless they do DNA testing or are able to we should clarify that on the hairs themselves
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we can't confirm 100 that hairs belong to another person it just doesn't work that way you you
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can't you can't run those tests what you're getting is you're getting an expert's opinion saying this hair
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matches this hair and this hair came from a victim and this hair came from an item that was found in a vacuum cleaner
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or in a trash bin right in The suspect's Possession correct correct now what about the lab results on these other
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items that were found these tools that's right we still have the the knives the handcuffs the hammer and there were
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several locations within Jason's vehicle where they believed that they found blood stains as well it was confirmed
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that on most of these items it was in fact blood and the lab results were that that blood matched that of the victim
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specifically Christina Benjamin the thought there being that as far as her his car goes is that she might have
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been transported in the car while still bleeding that's a little a little difficult
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when I see that statement Captain because I've seen other statements that says law enforcement had reason to believe
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that the victims were killed where or near where they were found well before trial
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Jason's defense team requested a change of venue this was denied there were two real major highlights at
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the trial both coming in favor of the prosecution one was the testimony from that former
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friend of Jason's remember this is 18 year old Christopher Nolan Nolan told the court that Jason said
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that he wanted to have sex with Christina Benjamin and he wanted to kill her and mutilate her
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Nolan being just a really great guy with a good moral compass and a big brain on
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his shoulders said I didn't pay much attention to him because he was always talking about
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killing girls so didn't think to tell anybody about this again this goes back to the this is
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the same guy that stuck around him after he's witnessed him killing an animal or hurting animals as you pointed out
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the the man's words were plural so maybe he didn't pay too much attention because by his own testimony
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at court he and Massey their time spent together he says they spent much of the 1993
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summer driving around drinking and doing LSD and cocaine wow so you have to wonder does Nolan Go I
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mean then you wonder how credible is his testimony right this guy's been high on
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acid and cocaine for the whole summer and now he's telling me that this guy said this stuff and also what is HE
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capable of right right and therein lies the question and we we hinted around this earlier before
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this Nolan character Christopher Nolan he would be one of the two people one of you know when it was stated that two
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friends were arrested in question in the murders of these two kids he's one of those people that's how they
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get his statements that's how they get him to court to testify against Jason Massey the reason why I question the
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statements in the newspapers at the time and this was stated in 93 and in 94 and
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then later by people that are against the death penalty I questioned the statement of
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Christopher Nolan and this other guy being arrested in connection of the murders
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what my belief is Captain is that the papers just got that wrong that they made a leap that wasn't
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necessary Christopher Nolan's not a great guy and that's why his testimony yes it's in
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favor of the prosecution but for reasons we just pointed out with the drug use he's he's also a
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criminal himself his test his testimony is not not super great where I'm going with this is I
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believe they knew that this guy likely knew both Jason Massey and knew the victims or one
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of the victims right and this guy is somebody you could pick up on other charges and now you're like hey you tell
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us what you know because this minor stuff that you did we don't really care about check out what the what the door
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said when you walked in this said homicide division we care about who was killed we care about these victims that
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were murdered this little petty stuff that you're doing we don't care so much about as long as you tell us and help us
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out with this homicide investigation and I say that and I would be willing to wager what few possessions I actually
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have because we have every sign pointing to Jason Massey all along the way right
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just so much evidence it's so much things to support him as being the number one prime suspect here yeah yeah
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I mean the car the fact that he knew the victims fact that he said he wanted to have sex with one of the victims
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uh his background his criminal history his um capacity for violence I mean he's just uh
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is one of the worst of the worst and and really I I you know I hate to say this but
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you've you almost think that if if he was a little bit more mature or sophisticated as a killer we might
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there might not be answers in this case and there might be more victims right we
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may not have had so much evidence lead us to Jason Massey we we may have been sitting here going we still don't know
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who did this and we talk so much about when when a small child or when somebody is abducted we jokingly talk about what
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I what I love to report on the old pervert Roundup this is a very similar situation where you're going okay we are
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pretty certain we know who did this we've arrested this guy we can't get him to confess so let's do the what I'm
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going to call the loser criminal Roundup find anybody with a criminal background
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and and somebody we know that's out committing crimes that knows the perpetrator or who we believe to be the
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perpetrator let's pick him up and see what this guy will tell us now the second highlight for the state's
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case this I love this because you know this is so much TV talk Court TV talk it says
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then during the trial a bombshell you know Law and Order yeah a bombshell well this is most certainly a bombshell I'm
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not laughing about that but what I'm kind of laughing about is we already have what I believe to be a mountain of
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evidence against Jason Massey yeah so a bombshell wasn't even required but still we have one and the I'm going to
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give you the short of it because this is reported on at some length and having discussed all the horrible things
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that we have so far I still haven't been able to get to my chicken salad sandwich
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so what happens here Captain we have a hunter who is trekking through the woods yeah that stumbles upon a rusty cooler
00:37:15
okay he decides to open it up no to figure out you know why is this cooler just randomly out here in the middle of
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the woods well inside he finds what's in the box dozens of skulls from animals small skulls from animals
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he also finds four spiral notebooks now these notebooks are titled slayer's book of death and their volumes
00:37:44
one through four in at least one of these notebooks it's also written out the thoughts of Jason Massey
00:37:55
by Jason Massey well this seems quite convenient for the state's case yeah this book belongs to Jason Massey please
00:38:03
return to Jason Massey Kathleen ramsland very astutely describes this as Jason Massey's
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blueprint for murder and mutilation he detailed his crimes or crimes that he wished to commit he also detailed his
00:38:20
crimes against animals he said that he particularly liked strangling them and decapitating them so that he could keep
00:38:27
their skulls keeping them as trophies or souvenirs remember Massey wrote that killing gave him an adrenaline rush a
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high a turn on he had a love to mutilate he also wrote about his admiration for famous killers particularly Bundy Manson
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and Lucas apparently he aspired to be Henry Lee Lucas yeah yeah he's he's the one uh
00:38:55
yeah I killed hundreds of people but I can't seem to remember where I put any of the bodies sorry about that
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um he he says in his writings that he wants to have better numbers than those killers
00:39:11
that he seems to like and really what I think is fascinating here though from an
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investigative standpoint and for some of the things that we were citing in the trailer
00:39:25
what we see in these notebooks or what the experts say that they see in this in these notebooks right is all of this
00:39:34
talk all of these writings start off as fantasies they morph their way into plans
00:39:43
like Katherine ramsland said a blueprint for murder it goes from fantasizing about killing to
00:39:51
how can I kill how do I plan on carrying this out how can I get away with it yeah
00:39:58
when we see this later in history as well with a Sandy Hook some of the notes there or or even like
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with some of the journaling for Columbine um it seems like though it's more like a
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a younger younger Killers Thane well in his own writings Jason Massey describes himself
00:40:22
as a murder machine and he states that he wants to grab Society by the throat and shake them with Terror until they're
00:40:31
awake and realize what's up so they will remember who I am and when and why I came their way ground by the throat to
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let him know what's up grab Society by the throat to let him know what's up okay so not only does he fantasize about
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killing mutilating and raping victims Captain but as said he's planning but what you're seeing inside of that too is
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the admiration for these other killers and then saying that I want to grab Society by the throat and make them
00:41:01
remember who I am and when and why I came their way he wants the notoriety that he wants he wants to be famous like
00:41:11
those people that he's wrote about in his notebooks he idolizes these individuals well you know he was
00:41:17
tortured and you know abused and probably made to feel like nothing you know so I I think there's some level there of
00:41:27
going well I'll show everybody and and really adopting instead of um you know take it take it out on the
00:41:35
people that abused you he really like adopted that Society all has the same uh views as his abusers well and a lot of
00:41:46
times these serial killers whether they were abused or not some of them have been some of them have
00:41:52
not been right but a lot of times what they want to do is they perceive or see themselves as a weak
00:42:00
person no matter what show they put on for those around them underneath all of it all they see themselves as a weak
00:42:07
person and they only believe that they can attack terrorize or control someone weaker than them
00:42:16
now that's why he's you know picking cats and right I mean there's nothing more innocent than animals they don't
00:42:24
they don't even know what you're they don't know why you would be attacking them right
00:42:28
in October of 1994 Jason Massey was found guilty of the murders and sentenced to death now while
00:42:36
on death row he converted to Christianity clay strange sure he did clay strange is the prosecuting attorney who
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successfully convicted Jason Massey and got the death penalty for him right he said quote it's impossible to assign a
00:42:58
motive to a case like this I think he did it because it was pleasurable to him and in regards to the four volumes
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labeled slayer's book of death strange said of Massey quote it was just playing with numbers and it all centered around
00:43:14
killing generally killing people but by far his favorite targets were 11 to 13 year old girls
00:43:23
it's almost a miracle we caught him as quickly in his career as we did he's as evil as anybody I've ever encountered
00:43:32
I've met a lot of people meaner but no one more evil in an interview from Death Row
00:43:40
Jason Massey told the Ennis daily news I've changed and people do change as we grow we
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change I have a lot of anger about the stupid mistakes I made at the same time I recognize anger is just an emotion
00:43:57
James King father and stepfather of the victims told the Dallas Morning News that he was glad authorities nabbed
00:44:05
Massey when they did and that the would-be serial killer didn't have the chance to act more on his fantasies he
00:44:14
says he's the devil he would have been worse than Ted Bundy it's a shame he started with kids well and and we see
00:44:23
this with a a lot of killers but it just his appearance just and and some of these pictures when you
00:44:33
pull up these pictures of them I mean there's a couple there's there's definitely this black and white one
00:44:39
where it's just he he just he's a pretty regular looking kid well there's a lot of pictures and this is maybe after he
00:44:46
becomes uh um a Christian in his eyes or whatever uh where there he's smiling a lot in the
00:44:55
picture uh so he comes off as happy um there were pictures of him at the time of his arrest and and going into trial
00:45:07
where he is smiling and appears to be happy and some people wonder if that's because he's getting the notoriety that
00:45:16
he sought by being arrested by being taken to trial and he was even nicknamed the Cherub
00:45:23
Face Killer because he is so young looking and again he I mean he he's 20. I I've called him a boy a few times he's
00:45:32
a man but he he's got a very boyish baby face or whatever you want to call it and
00:45:39
that's what's always shocking to people when they when they hear about a crime so horrible and horrific is this one and
00:45:45
then they see in the paper two weeks later oh this is the guy we think that did it and then people expect to see
00:45:53
a grotesque looking monster and often that's not the case he's just a just a 20 year old average looking kid well I
00:46:01
also wondered to some some of these individuals we've seen it with Bundy and and others that
00:46:10
or or I I I'd say the best example I could give would be Dahmer where he would say okay I committed this horrible
00:46:18
murder I'm not going to do that anymore and then the urges and the fantasies and
00:46:24
stuff would grow and grow and grow and they do another murder and so it's like yeah the this was just
00:46:31
his first murder but maybe there was something about getting caught that he's like okay well I don't want to have
00:46:39
these urges I don't want to have these thoughts I don't want to have whatever I thought about that too and I
00:46:45
considered it for a while until I took into account the fact that after he murdered the two teenagers
00:46:53
he was seen behind the McDonald's killing another animal but that's what I'm saying maybe it's like well I killed
00:47:00
these people now and I'm still not arrested yeah so maybe it's he I think he was
00:47:06
still worked up from from the the murders themselves and still working through that what we are very lucky in
00:47:14
regards to is that this [ __ ] couldn't keep his mouth shut right he needed to you almost wonder like
00:47:23
is writing about all of these horrible violent fantasies was that drawing that out of him and
00:47:32
making it a reality sooner or was it delaying it by having him live through the pages and through his words or
00:47:40
through telling friends while he's on LSD that he wants to kill and mutilate we don't know there's there's no way for
00:47:49
us to discern that but it's an interesting thing to to ponder well he's a piece of [ __ ] and he
00:47:58
deserves to die well on April 3rd 2001 in Huntsville the state of Texas was ready to carry
00:48:07
out the execution death sentence of convicted murderer Jason Eric Massey Texas State prisoner number
00:48:15
999-121 his final meal it's a big one Jason's last meal was three fried chicken quarters fried squash fried
00:48:24
eggplant mashed potatoes snap peas boiled cabbage three corn on the cob spinach broccoli and cheese one pint of
00:48:32
caramel pecan fudge Tin Roof ice cream and a pitcher of sweet tea to wash all that good stuff down Jesus that's a ten
00:48:42
thousand calories I might be might be more than that now remember it was it was after this that
00:48:49
Texas changed their role on these these meals because they were getting crazy they now have put a limit on was he the
00:48:56
[ __ ] that ruined it for everybody no um the guy that ruined it for everybody we actually covered this on the show
00:49:04
it was I can't remember his name I I'm gonna tell you right now it was Lawrence Russell Brewer he was
00:49:15
one of the racist Nazi [ __ ] that killed Jesus yeah well there's no other way for
00:49:22
me to describe him he was killed uh James Byrd yeah he was the one that ordered all he ordered more food than
00:49:30
that than what we just went through and I'm not going to go through the whole menu here of what Brewer ordered but he
00:49:36
ordered a ton of food and then all of a sudden when they delivered he's like yeah I'm not hungry
00:49:41
and so they did away with that in part because people were just taking advantage of such a thing now in Jason's
00:49:50
final statement he said I would first like to speak to the victim's family first of all I would
00:49:56
like to say that I do not know any of y'all and that's unfortunate because I would like to apologize to each and
00:50:03
every one of you individually I can't imagine what I've taken from you but I do want to apologize and I want to let
00:50:11
you know that I did do it you guys know that I am guilty and I am sorry for what
00:50:18
I have done I apologize and I know you may not be able to forgive me in this life and in this world but I hope
00:50:24
sometime in the future you will be able to find it in you to forgive me and I want you to know that Christina she did
00:50:33
not suffer as much as you think she did I promise you that I give you my word I know you guys want to know where the
00:50:40
rest of her remains are I put her remains in the Trinity River I have said that since I have come to death row I
00:50:48
want to apologize to you again one thing that I find interesting here captain that we don't often get in these
00:50:56
situations is this deathbed confession we don't have to sit here and wonder all of these years later did they convict
00:51:03
the right guy or the wrong guy we saw from the evidence at trial it all looked like it was him but there was still some
00:51:10
question if there was somebody else involved or somebody else in the vehicle when Jason picked up these two kids it
00:51:18
appears by his deathbed confession that he is taking on full responsibility of having committed these murders and at
00:51:25
least saying where he put the rest of the remains right and he's also claiming that this is not the first time he's
00:51:33
confessed to this since he's been on death row yeah he went on to say a lot of things he had a rather lengthy final
00:51:40
statement the next part he addresses his family and I I feel like I'm giving him
00:51:46
too much to to go through that I mean people can find it you can find it online or in the old newspapers if you
00:51:54
dig deep enough regarding mainstream media of this case in this story there was an episode on
00:52:01
Forensic Files titled pure evil I watched that what is this guy Crystal Lee a bit because he
00:52:15
watches that show all the time he's like and then they have words like and then we find some accessible choline well
00:52:22
it's some word we've never heard yeah I like the show I didn't like this episode
00:52:27
I thought that it was not very detailed I don't think it left really a lot of it just wasn't a great
00:52:35
episode it was it didn't tell the whole story in my opinion there is a book out there called Born bad by Bill Cox and
00:52:44
it's described as a close-up look at teenage killer Jason Massey and describes his fascination with serial
00:52:51
killers Ted Bundy and Henry Lee Lucas childhood torture experiments and brutal rape murder and mutilation of a young
00:52:59
girl and then the killing of another teenage boy I was unable to get my hands on that book it looks like it could be
00:53:06
pretty interesting but again I do want to point out that Catherine ramsland's article that she wrote for the crime
00:53:14
library for court TV's old Crime Library some of the older True Crime fans will remember
00:53:20
reading that back in the day quite a bit but her article that is available online
00:53:25
is titled all about Jason Massey from victim to victimizer and really I think that's the best thing available out
00:53:32
there if you want to learn more about this horrific story [Applause] [Music] and just real quick uh update in the
00:53:50
Ahmad Arbury case the trial has started a lot of people believe that this father
00:53:56
and son that hunted down a mod it was racially motivated I think now there's evidence that has come out in the trial
00:54:04
that supports that and then to me they should be charged with a hate crime therefore the penalty would be a lot
00:54:12
more severe it's hard to cover those cases when they're so new and so lack of information
00:54:19
but these are also important cases to cover and now with the trial happening we'll have more updates and obviously
00:54:26
more information as a trial continues it's really good to see that everything in regards to that case continues to
00:54:33
move in the right direction a little recommended reading before we wrap things up today here Captain if you will
00:54:40
we are recommending Confessions of a serial killer the untold story of Dennis Rader the BTK Killer this is by
00:54:49
Katherine Ramson through jailhouse visits telephone calls and written correspondence Catherine worked with
00:54:56
Raider himself to analyze the layers of his psyche using his drawings letters interviews and Raiders unique codes she
00:55:05
presents in meticulous detail the childhood roots and development of one man's motivation to stalk torture and
00:55:14
kill this book is incredible make sure you check it out again it's called Confessions of a serial killer the
00:55:21
untold story of Dennis Raider and the BTK killer yeah make sure you subscribe and make sure you give us a five star
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thank you foreign