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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Laughter] yes um my lot called he playing golf
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this morning 9:30 my daughter's been missing since this morning she's 8 months pregnant she took her dog for a
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walk in the par mhm the dog came home with just the Le shot so the dog came back with about your daughter right okay
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what is your address sister well I my is that where is that where she it's over at Mala Park is where she went for
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the walk what is I can't remember what's your cell phone number sir in case you get disconnected it's um um 404 uhhuh
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uh can't believe I'm going like 404 okay so what's the address where she lives and she's missing five her address
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is there between Inca and drive yeah okay is that a house what is your name my name is Ron I'm St okay what is your
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name gr g r n f k y r a n t f k i husband Scott Peterson is on way over the park
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name Peters no no no your stepdaughter Lacy Peters Lacy p t e r s o n right p p e r s o is she wife L Hispanic Asian um
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she's Portuguese and wife how old is she she's 26 what time did she leave the house and didn't come
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back that we don't know we just had a call from our son-in-law that he left this morning at 9:30 to play golf he
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just sat home about a half hour ago nowhere around she went to up the dog walked it in in that park that's par
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that Mark over there one over there you know by the okay on in CA yeah you have a
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flashlight absolutely and she's 8 months pregnant you said pardon she you said she's 8 months pregnant yep I
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[Music] am [Music] on February 5th 2003 Lacy Peterson's family they step up their criticism of their son-in-law
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Scott Peterson saying that he sold his pregnant wife's car and he was considering selling the couple's house
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well like you always say when somebody goes missing when the family stays in the area that that's a sign of something
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yeah more importantly I think when they leave the area that's what always scares
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me especially when a person is is just lost you know because especially when you have a child that goes missing
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usually the thought of the mother and the father is typically we don't want to move we don't want to change our phone
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number we don't want to do anything that will pre prevent our son or daughter from coming home home M meaning that
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given the opportunity if their son or daughter who is being held captive has a window of time that's even 3 minutes
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long if they can dial a phone to call me and tell me where they might be or if they get away on foot or if they get
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away somehow from their captor that they would return home at the very least right and this um this
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husband um is so worried about his wife so worried about his unborn child that he he sells her car and he's so worried
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so he's thinking that maybe he should sell the house yeah yeah yeah and so what we do
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know for a fact is he did sell their car her car um I don't can't say for certain Captain
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but it might just be her family and her her parents that were saying that he was
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considering selling the house I don't know that that's fact but still selling her Land Rover is a strange thing to do
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I would think one and then two I don't really have a date for when this occurred I don't know if we know the
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exact date of when it did occurred but what was later reported at some point was that the nursery room remember that
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for the baby the expected baby for Connor Peterson MH they had already painted the room blue they had already
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decorated the room it was sitting there waiting for the baby's arrival mhm only thing that room was missing was the baby
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and guess what when his baby and wife went missing at some point he then starts to use that room for other things
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I believe it was he used it for storage or some point he altered the room at some point what I'm pointing out here is
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these are actions of a man that I don't think is expecting these two to return right and to play Devil's Advocate his
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reasoning is that the cops have my truck and I need a truck for work so I had to
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sell her Land Rover which is pretty much a truck and he had to get a new truck yeah claiming he couldn't do his job or
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whatever he needed his vehicle for using the Land Rover and yeah I I mean I get it but here again is another situation
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of a guy that seems to have an answer for everything and or if he doesn't have an answer he makes one up and then
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changes it later no that that's exactly what I mean he's squirming and and weaseling his way out of what the truth
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is the truth is he couldn't get further from Lacy and Connor fast enough is really what I believe and I again I
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don't have the date for this but I I have in my notes it was roughly like five weeks into The Disappearance six
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weeks into The Disappearance at some point his words he's saying things like at some point we have to move on you
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know we we right right again this is this is an individual that that as opposed to the mom saying Lacy's mom
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saying there'll never be closure they'll never be moving on from this you know that that's the huge difference right
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and that's what I meant yesterday when I don't think you know I don't think I don't
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care what his professor in high in college said about you know he was a model student he was intelligent I would
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have loved to have a whole room full of Scott Petersons I don't find this guy to
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be dick noses I don't find him to be intelligent at all at least in the grand scheme of getting away with this crime I
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don't think I really don't think he thought that he was going to have to go through this scrutiny that he was going
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to be under the microscope I think he thought that if he set it up properly narcissist yeah that at some point that
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they would just believe that she was abducted and everybody else would move on MH that he would move on and they
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would move on now we have February 10th this is when Lacy Peterson this was her expected due date it comes and it goes
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and then February 17th Scott Peterson's mother Jackie she tells the Associated Press her family believes kidnapper
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kidnappers abducted Lacy Peterson with the intentions of holding her captive until she delivered the baby yeah and
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one of the reasons why they thought this was there was three women in Modesto that went missing pregnant women that
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went missing from that area and in a radius of a I believe like 90 Mi to 100 miles there was there has been eight
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missing uh pregnant women well the whole case is going to take a turn Captain because on April 13th 2003 the remains
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of a late term male fetus were found on Richmond's Point Isabel Regional Shoreline north of the marina where
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Scott went fishing the day Lacy disappeared the next day a partial female torso missing its hands feet and
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head were found in the same area now later these bodies are in fact identified to be Lacy and Connor and
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autopsies were performed but due to composition decomposition the exact cause of death could not be determined
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the medical examiner did note that Lacy had suffered some broken ribs prior to her death so these injuries were not
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caused they were not caused after death this is when she was alive and prosecutors suggested that she could
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have been suffocated or strangled inside the Peterson home right so this is going
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to put police on high alert because now that they found the bodies they're going
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to they're actually afraid that Peterson is going to run for the Border because he is uh hanging out in San Diego
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Golfing down there with his family now I have to admit here watching the coverage
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of this investigation and as the news was breaking you know I didn't want them you know it's it's one
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of those situations and we've been through this before on other cases we've covered Captain it's a situation where
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you hope they find something but you also hope they don't find something you know because you want Lacy to be alive
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you want Connor to be alive and well yeah and it it started feeling to me like this guy was not going to get
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arrested like he was was not going to have to go to trial because I was ultimately starting to get very
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concerned that they were never going to recover her her remains right and I remember it being early April when I
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really started worrying about that and I worried about it a little more each day
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as the days went on leading up to April 13th when they finally made that Discovery and then remember we had to
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wait a whole day till they found the female remains and then a whole another day to get confirmation that that was in
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fact the two that they had been missing and looking for for so long now at some point they did however uh rule this
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investigation a homicide investigation they flip-flopped from missing persons to a homicide and I think their thought
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was at least for public perception let's turn this up let's crank up the heat on
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this thing and let the public know that we consider this a homicide investigation because at that moment the
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public opinion of this guy was so bad was so terrible he was already convicted in the Public's eyes and let's make this
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happen so we can get an actual arrest warrant for this guy because like you said I think even days before they found
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the bodies they were concerned that he was going to flee at some point he was going to leave the area now after the
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bodies are found Scott Peterson by this point mostly have been staying in San Diego with his family Santiago
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and allegedly he says this is to avoid media attention right now Scott Peterson was ultimately arrested on April 18th
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2003 this is near uh a golf course where he claimed to that he was going to be meeting his father and his brother for a
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game of golf right will The Real Slim Shady please stand up well Scott Peterson's naturally dark hair dark
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brown hair had been dyed blonde mhm um his he was driving a mercedesbenz mhm which was quote unquote overstuffed with
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miscellaneous items including nearly $115,000 in cash survival gear camping equipment several changes of clothes
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four cell phones and his brother's driver's license right now which which I can't claim that he used the driver's
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license um to get into the golf club at at some point um you you can or can't that's what they claimed that he used it
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for right uh they also claimed that the hair dying and the Shaving to have a goatee was
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actually um at this point he hired Mark gagos to um basically be his attorney and Mark gagos said hey we we should
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alter your image that way media will leave you alone yeah so want to talk a little bit about items found with Scott
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in the car or on Scott because there are some conflicting reports from everything
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I found you know the above items that I mentioned the $115,000 in cash survival gear camping equipment changes of
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clothes for cell phones right just think about that for a second all that cash and four cell phones and then his
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brother's driver's license those items I can confirm that multiple multiple multiple almost every report I read
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state that those items is what was found on this guy M um some items that I think
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are interesting that aren't mentioned in every single report one is that Scott Peterson had his driver's license on him
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as well this might back up Scott Peterson's father's story the story I heard was that he was intending on using
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his brother's driver's license um the day before to get a San Diego resident discount at the golf course now for the
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golf course yeah like you said there's we can't confirm if that actually happened or not uh but on that same
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topic a couple reports and this was from one in particular was from Fox News states that he had his brother's
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passport which is a whole different bag of worms than uh than the driver's license to get the discount right this
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is hey can I get the discount on crossing the Mexican border right but I'm I'm going to just uh believe his uh
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his father on this one as far as the driver like driver's license is concerned some reports also state that
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he had 12 viagra pills 200 sleeping pills well when you're watching a lot of porn you know and you're a little chubby
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and you can't get it up you might need to pop some pills well a combination of Viagra pills and sleeping pills have me
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very concerned suicide by boner no I think with the multiple Affairs that he had during the course of his
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marriage MH with the excessive porn watching after The Disappearance which we now know is was
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the death of his wife MH I think that we are talking about an individual that is
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very likely a sex addict um and my concern is that the sleeping pills are not for him that
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they're for other people and he intends to use the Viagra and the sleeping pills
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at the same time just one person in the group's going to get the sleeping pills right Scott Peterson's going to take the
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Viagra pills yeah yeah instead of giving them um arold Palmer or Shirley Temple or a Jack and Coke he's going to give
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them the old Bill Cosby now we also have in several several statements I don't know how it didn't work its way into all
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of them but I believe this to be true either a dagger or a knife was found on him now that's what she said I think the
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confusing thing here is that a lot of times survival gear is mentioned and it might just be getting lumped into that
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uh rope was also found in the vehicle which is probably again getting you know roped roped into the survival gear um
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but the tricky thing here is we have a map quest map printed off of Amber Fry's uh general area in which she lived in
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and we have a guy who had said multiple times that he would still like to meet her and we have a girl we have a lady
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Amber fry who is maybe the number one witness against this individual right and I just a part of me really
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wonders what his plan was because there is no way there's no way anybody's talking me out of that he that he wasn't
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fleeing that he wasn't taking a one-way trip to you know this guy was going on a
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permanent vacation well and the way they arrested him is they they followed him and then they eventually they were like
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okay we we we have to pull him over now uh because the second body was found so it wasn't like a body was found and then
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he fled but he had all the workings to at some point it I think he had a plan to leave if he
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decided to take that that jump I think there was a good chance that they weren't lying that that he was
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planning to golf with his father and brother and then that was a sayanora to to his you know one last possibly but
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what I'm saying is like I think we have evidence that he had it everything's ready to go right and if I decide to
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jump whenever I decide to jump it's there he's whenever he needs to he can pounce and he can jump and I I do
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personally I just think that that was kind of a good buy do you think he was going to try to kill
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Amber I think that there's maybe more evidence that something I think cuz they were still
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talking I think if she would have agreed to meet him somewhere M then he would have right or if she would have invited
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him to her home which I don't think would have happened in a million years obviously but um I think he would have
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attempted something I think he was planning on leaving that day after the golf outing and I also have information
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stating that that Mercedes Benz was I believe in his mother's name registered to his mother so there could all Al be
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there could also be some help and assistance with prior knowledge of from his immediate family right now on April
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21st 2003 Peterson was arraigned he was charged with two felony counts of murder
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with premeditation and special circumstances the first-degree murder of lacy obviously and then the second
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degree murder of Connor he did plead not guilty at this arraignment Lacy's family
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and the prosecution were seeking the death penalty now before his arraignment Scott Peterson was represented by Kirk
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mallister a veteran criminal defense attorney from Modesto Kevin's father I don't know who Kevin mallister is Kevin
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McAllister we have then we have Chief Deputy public defender Kent Falkner who also was assigned to the case Peterson
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later indicated that he could afford a private attorney and this was the famous high-profile attorney Mark
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gagos the judge changed the venue of the trial from Modesto to Redwood City because obviously Peterson Scott
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Peterson was um you know receiving increasing hostility in this mod Modesto Area Scott Peterson's trial began on
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June 1st 2004 and obviously was followed extremely closely by the media and we should say by just about every media
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Outlet you can think of um Scott Peterson's defense lawyers based their case on the lack of direct evidence and
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played down the significance of circumstantial evidence they suggested that the fetal remains were of a
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fullterm infant and theorized that someone kidnapped Lacy held her until she gave birth and then dumped both
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bodies into the bay well one of the main things that they point out is probably the biggest error that the police made
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and that was right after Lacy went missing they actually said that Scott was fishing in the Bay Area the day she
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went missing this is what his truck looks like and so their theory is somebody took her hostage uh she gave
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birth to the child and then afterwards they dumped it in the same area that Scott was fishing in yeah gagos uh
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Scott's attorney suggesting that a satanic cult had kidnapped the pregnant woman and like you said using
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information that they gained from media reports could frame him by dumping the body and bodies in the bay now we have
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well because there was an attack on a woman in Modesto and actually during that attack they they claimed that there
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would be a murder sacrifice and they would it would be on a pregnant woman okay so there was claims of this and
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this was actually looked in to by the police department and they found this not to have any validity to it the
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prosecution's medical experts contended that the baby was not fullterm and actually died at the same time as his
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mother and eventually was expelled from her uterus kind of naturally I guess was
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the cleanest nicest way to say and they're they're expert on the stand have you ever seen the expert this expert on
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the stand no and I'm going to be full disclosure here Captain um I I did watch portions of the trial but I I didn't
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have the strength to sit through the entirety of of the trial he he basically he's on the stand to say that the the
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baby not even that the baby went full term but that the baby died weeks and weeks later and once he couldn't really
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prove that the defense is stating this right right the defens is star witness at some point he just starts yelling hey
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give me a break this is not exact science I'm not even qualified to do this I mean he loses his [ __ ] like it's
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I mean it couldn't have gone any worse for the defense on on this witness so unlike Peterson the uh he's this guy is
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unable to squirm he's unable to lie right I want give me a break give me a break I don't even know what I'm doing
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that's not even an exact science well some other weird stuff at the trial um there was some weird stuff with the jury
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one was removed one member of the jury was removed and replaced early on in the trial due to misconduct and then later
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the jury Foreman which is a very strange thing to see the foreman remov but this wasn't so much removed
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because it's requested his own removal during the jury deliberations well and I hate to keep cutting you off but the the
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first one was there was on the way into a courtroom there was some talking and it was simple that's the dismissal of
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the first one the foreman he he decided to go but that was during the decision making process once once it
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came down to make a verdict is when he said uh basically it was like a couple people
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thought maybe he was innocent and then it got to a vote I believe of like 11 to1 and that he was like the last one he
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was the one holding out and he he just didn't think that they're giving it due process and going over every point and
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eventually um he also made claims that he was you know some of the jury members threatened his life and that he got in a
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physical converation with them um the other jury members obviously deny that well regarding the evidence itself you
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know like we said there was a lot of circumstantial evidence and an overwhelming amount of circumstantial
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evidence that pointed against Scott Peterson now as far as physical evidence goes the only piece of forensic evidence
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that was identified is that single hair that we spoke about the Strand thought to have been Lacy's that was found in a
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pair of pliers on Scott Peterson's boat now this uh presented as prosecution evidence during the trial was the fact
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that Peterson changed his appearance MH and purchased the vehicle using his mother's name in order to avoid
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recognition by the Press more evidence Scott added two pornography pornographic television channels to his cable service
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only days after his wife's disappearance the prosecution stated that this meant he knew she was not coming home Peterson
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expressed interest in selling the house as we had said that he had shared with Lacy sold her Land Rover so he he sold
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as we stated sold the Land Rover and changed the nursery at some point the defense had a lot of different theories
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as to what happened to Lacy and Connor and one such Theory this one I found to be uh very interesting and it's it's a
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little different than the satanic cult uh Theory but this theory is that was argued was that a sex worker who was
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accused of stealing checks from the Peterson's mailbox might have come in contact and murdered Lacy apparently the
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uh Modesto police detectives said this woman we know who she is we've identified her she's never been a
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suspect in The Disappearance and furthermore the prosecutor would argue that the noted checks the checks that
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were stolen were stolen after Lacy had already vanished arguing that this means that um this
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woman was not around was was not there doing this item doing these bad Deeds before Lacy Peterson went
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Captain I have to apologize to the good folks out there want to Cheers you because my I'm doing something's up with
00:33:08
my throat it's my voice this week I'm battling through it um it feels it's some heavy lifting over here so I
00:33:15
apologize if I sound terrible but uh I do want to Circle back to the the prosecution and the police's
00:33:26
thought that Scott Peterson made homemade concrete anchors and that these homemade concrete anchors were missing
00:33:36
and they state in court that they believe that Scott made four or five of these homemade anchors and only one was
00:33:43
found the one that you had pointed out was found on the boat or in his Warehouse it was on the boat and they
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believed that these additional anchors were used to hold Lacy's body down right underwat water and what they've found is
00:33:58
when people do this and they anchor a body down that normally whatever body part that they use to anchor down uh if
00:34:06
the body surfaces that limb will be ripped off and so the way that Lacy was found I mean as graphic as it is I mean
00:34:15
there's no head there's no arms and there's no legs so it's basically a torso and one thing that I wanted to
00:34:23
point out and I wanted to make sure that I brought this up was I had read on several blogs that people were confused
00:34:30
why they spent so much time at trial arguing about what was used or what would have been used to make the one
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anchor that they did find okay we have the defense who's saying well Scott Peterson used a like a pitcher um some
00:34:46
kind of smaller item to make the mold for this anchor that was found right these weren't it wasn't a big anchor a
00:34:54
lot of people see this and think one of those big work buckets well that's the prosecution is stating that it was
00:35:01
either a paint bucket or some type of bucket from Home Depo that was used to make the anchors MH and the reason why
00:35:08
this is important is because keep in mind the only evidence that we have other than the purchase of way too much
00:35:17
concrete to make just one single anchor you know we we they know about that purchase that was made how much concrete
00:35:23
he purchased right where's that other where did the of go he he claims that he used it on some concrete work at his
00:35:31
home well I think what he did was took some sleeping pills a little bit of Viagra and shoved it up his ass well
00:35:37
regardless his his statement for why he purchased so much concrete goes against the prosecutions theory the prosecutions
00:35:46
theory is that he used uh an item that was larger than this pitcher that the defense kept pointing to to make the
00:35:54
mold for the concrete anchor the reason why this is important is the size the size of the anchors that he was making
00:36:03
is important because other than the evidence of the purchase of the concrete the only other evidence that we have
00:36:08
that these ever existed are the rings that were found left on that table on his workbench let's say and so they need
00:36:16
the prosecution needs those to match the size of the Rings the anchors that we believe he made needs to match the size
00:36:24
of the Rings where the defense is going to say they don't match the size of the Rings because look he used this rather
00:36:31
than those bigger buckets now on November 12th 2004 a jury convicted Scott Peterson of two counts of murder
00:36:41
first-degree murder with special circumstances for killing Lacy and second deegree murder for killing Connor
00:36:47
uh who she was carrying the penalty phase of the trial began on November 30th and concluded December 13th when
00:36:55
the jury Ren rendered a sentence of death on March 16th judge Alfred deluchi followed the jury verdict sentencing
00:37:05
Peterson to death by lethal injection and ordering him to pay $10,000 toward the cost of Lacy's funeral calling the
00:37:14
murder of lacy Peterson cruel uncaring heartless and callous in a later press appearances members of the jury stated
00:37:24
that they felt that Peterson's demeanor specific his lack of emotion and the phone calls to Amber in the days
00:37:31
following Lacy's disappearance indicated to them that he was guilty they based their verdict on quote hundreds of small
00:37:40
puzzle pieces of circumstantial evidence that were revealed during the trial from
00:37:46
the location of Lacy's body to the lies her husband told after her disappearance
00:37:52
yeah and from if you watch there's a really interesting documentary on this it's I believe a six-part series on a
00:37:59
and e one of the things that everybody says defense and prosecution is the trial was going shitty for the
00:38:07
prosecution people were bored out of their mind the jury looked like they were falling asleep and then when they
00:38:13
called Amber fry that's where everything changed and even the day before the closing they thought Mark gyos is a
00:38:21
better closer he's going to he's going to it's going to come down to the closing argument and Mark gyos is going
00:38:27
to win MH and for whatever reason the prosecution which was so boring and lack of emotion and this whole case is based
00:38:35
on emotion he came out hit it out of the park and Mark gagos kind of you know pooped his drawers right in front of
00:38:44
everybody so we we have gagos who from public perception was kind of guaranteed to overd deliver right and he
00:38:55
did not deliver and then we have the prosecution who was kind of expected to hand us a a a boring
00:39:02
statement um lackluster if you will and that that individual comes out and and Nails it really hits it home for the
00:39:10
jury mhm and there's some thought too um you know in regards to the foreman um that the jury Foreman he asked for
00:39:19
himself to be removed because he thought that the rest of the jury were going to
00:39:22
try to vote him out or get him removed somehow from that jury and if I could be quoting
00:39:30
him wrong but I believe Mark gagos at the time thought well look they don't have enough evidence to convict him but
00:39:38
this is emotionally based case so they will so he was actually hoping for a hung jury now if that foreman stays on
00:39:47
there and votes not guilty then you got a hung jury and then you have a new trial so and then you could then argue
00:39:55
whether or not Amber testimony should be in and a lot of people argue that but it's pretty simple
00:40:01
she's a character witness right and and I think by her being in there and listening to the hours and hours of the
00:40:08
tapes of him talking to her and him lying to her on the phone and and the jury also gets to hear where he's
00:40:15
actually at when he's making those phone calls um yeah and and I think that's very damning and she in regards to Amber
00:40:25
being allowed in in and at the trial I mean come on look at all the time spent interacting with him whether it be face
00:40:33
to face or on the phone leading up to The Disappearance of lacy and then afterwards right Scott Peterson arrived
00:40:40
at San Quinton state prison on March 17th 2005 he joined the more than 700 other inmates in California's Soul death
00:40:50
row facility on October 21st 2005 a judge ruled that proceeds from a $250,000 life insurance policy Scott
00:41:01
Peterson took out on Lacy Peterson will go to Lacy's mother MH then we have the appeals process Captain so we have Cliff
00:41:09
Gardner this is eventually Peterson's attorney stated that because I think Mark gagos was like I got I gotta get
00:41:16
out of this so gagos you know I couldn't think I like gagos a lot I think he's very intelligent uh I listen to him a
00:41:26
lot when he has a a podcast with Adam Corolla um it's called Uh Reasonable Doubt so uh if you're interested in
00:41:36
hearing what this guy is like check out his podcast it can be difficult sometimes stating or you know telling
00:41:45
others that you like a defense attorney because I think that a lot of times Captain that people not everybody but
00:41:52
it's not hard for me it's cuz I like to tell the truth no I get that and I don't
00:41:57
have any problem with gagos I actually find him I don't know a ton about him but I do find him to be attractive very
00:42:04
intelligent and and um very good at what his role is to be right um you know I did say that I liked um I can't think
00:42:14
what Jose bayz did I get his name right yeah um for somebody somebody who couldn't stand
00:42:22
Casey Anthony you know I couldn't couldn't stand that woman I you I can't I mean I don't let's not
00:42:28
even get into that but I do I did like her attorney in the role that he played now what I mean by that is sometimes
00:42:39
people will go sometimes people identify the defense attorney with the person that's on trial right and they go well
00:42:47
that's the guy that represented Scott Peterson and you know what I hate Scott Peterson so therefore gagos piece of
00:42:53
[ __ ] well well yeah and similar too like one of the things that you see is when
00:42:59
when Scott Peterson's family is leaving after they sentenced their son to death the the amount of people attacking his
00:43:08
parents you know like you're going to watch your son die like they had nothing to do with this
00:43:16
girl's disappearance mhm they they wanted to be a grandparents you know he ripped the he
00:43:22
he you know so I I think when people attack people like that it's just it's ignorance right right I agree well so we
00:43:32
have the thought of some appeals because we have um his attorney his later attorney stating that there were
00:43:40
mistakes made there was incorrect evidentiary rulings that deprived Scott Peterson of
00:43:47
a fair trial on July 6 2012 his defense attorney filed a 423 page appeal of Scott Peterson's sentence
00:43:57
now the State Attorney General's office filed their response brief on January 26
00:44:04
2015 then the defense filed a response to the state's brief in July of 2015 M this is where they claim that a
00:44:14
certified dog that detected at Lacy's scent at the Berkeley Marina had failed 2third of tests with
00:44:23
similar conditions yeah so one of the things we skipped over in the trial is that they had a scent dog and that this
00:44:30
dog magically got to the pier and picked up on Lacy's scent and this is weeks afterwards and if you even buy the
00:44:40
prosecution story uh Lacy was never on the dock she would have been in a boat and then that
00:44:48
boat would have been from the trailer put into the water so the fact that they went with a sniffing dog doesn't make
00:44:54
any sense anyway but this dog has failed multiple tests anyways M sometimes I see the
00:45:01
prosecution do this where they are battling a defense that the defense just keeps coming up with all these random
00:45:08
ideas as to what could have happened except for their client their client didn't do it but any of of these other
00:45:14
possibilities are a possibility right you know they're trying to establish Reasonable Doubt and I find sometimes
00:45:20
that the prosecution gets swept up in this does the same thing they start saying well here's all reasons why he
00:45:26
did do it oh but it doesn't go with our story it doesn't go with our Theory which is a Dangerous Waters to uh for
00:45:34
them to be in now uh November 20 2015 uh the defense filed a habus corpus petition claiming that a juror had lied
00:45:45
on her jury application and that there was evidence that neighbors saw Lacy alive after Scott left home that day
00:45:53
Christmas Eve on August 10th 2017 the State Attorney General responded by appealing by to the appeal by filing a
00:46:03
150 page document contesting the notion disputing the claims put forward in the appeal stating that the appeal ignored
00:46:12
quote overwhelming evidence that Peterson murdered Lacy stating that the timeline of the crime was established by
00:46:20
the neighbor who found the Peterson's golden retriever wandering in the street when its leash was still attached before
00:46:28
the sightings of lacy and her dog started coming out do you want me to break down this point real quick yes so
00:46:34
the idea is that roughly about 101 18 is when The Neighbor finds uh the Peterson
00:46:42
dog in the Peterson's yard she doesn't find it in the park she doesn't find it down the street she finds it in the yard
00:46:50
she said this would happen all the time they might be playing outside or not playing outside but doing work in the
00:46:56
garden work in the yard and the dog would be out front and she'd bring the dog back around to him this time it was
00:47:03
a little different because the dog had a leash on it so she claims that she took
00:47:08
the dog with the leash put it back in the yard shut the gate left the leash on dog is secure in the backyard which I
00:47:16
find strange because if I found my neighbor's dog with the leash on and it was wandering around I'd probably take
00:47:22
the leash off when I put it in the backyard that's just me but she left the leash on
00:47:30
and then the then about 15 20 minutes later the mailman delivers now he said that their dog always barked at him
00:47:41
whether inside or outside the dog always barked at him he claims that the gate was
00:47:49
open this is what I love all these Scott Peterson supporters say if the mailman is correct in his time
00:47:58
which he should be because he's his time is based off of him scanning in mail which document documents the time this
00:48:06
would be roughly a half hour later after the neighbor states that they put the dog in the Peterson's backyard fenced in
00:48:14
backyard so what they're claiming is since the gate was open again that this proves that Lacy was
00:48:22
home and this proves that if anybody open that gate it was lazy that's what they claim this proves it doesn't prove
00:48:31
that at all yet you don't have to be a genius to figure this out there's so many
00:48:38
possibilities of why that gate was open the gate was open then the dog was put back and then the the neighbor closes
00:48:47
the gate did she not close the gate well enough we don't know did the did the gate have a bad latch and that's why it
00:48:55
was open open in the first place we don't know but what we do know is that when Scott Peterson comes home guess who
00:49:03
still has a leash on so it's if if if Lacy was there and she reopened the gate then why wouldn't she take off the leash
00:49:14
of the dog I mean they think they claim that this is proof that she was alive uh
00:49:21
at 10:30 10:45 and I I think it's proof of nothing well it's just proof that the the gate
00:49:28
was open people get confused you know if you go to certain websites you watch certain documentaries things are skewed
00:49:36
in a certain way showed under a certain light at a different angle it's easy for
00:49:41
somebody to flip sides and think hey this person might be innocent or this person might be guilty or or so on and
00:49:49
so forth well it gets tricky but here's here's what I think that we well hold on
00:49:53
but what I was going to say is but if you're Scott Peterson and you're lying to everybody and you've been lying to
00:49:58
everybody for a really long time and you're lying to your parents and you're lying to your sisters and you're lying
00:50:04
to whoever your brothers whoever you're lying to lying to the world then there's
00:50:10
a part of you you know if you're his father you want to believe him you want to believe that you rais somebody better
00:50:17
than this right and and so I I feel bad for them because they're trying to prove
00:50:24
that he's innocent where well back to the the whole dog thing and the neighbor placing the dog in the fence that
00:50:32
occurred at what time they think rough 1015 1018 1020 so let's say in the window of 10:15
00:50:40
1020 what I think that people are failing to recognize here is that remember the statement of 11 Witnesses
00:50:49
stated that they saw Lacy Peterson with their dog walking her dog mhm okay and remember those statements the statements
00:50:58
that I found do not specifically name Le Lacy Peterson they State I saw a woman and her dog or a Woman matching Lacy's
00:51:05
description and a dog matching that description right the other issue here that's very difficult is if the neighbor
00:51:17
found the dog by itself places the dog in the fence between 10:15 and 1020 any of those
00:51:27
sightings any of those witnesses that come forward and say that they saw the dog with Lacy after 10:20 did not see
00:51:33
Lacy did not see Lacy and did not see the Peterson's dog right unless unless here's what happened she let the
00:51:42
dog out right and then she went and stole another dog that looked just like her dog and walked that dog that's
00:51:51
probably what happened well I think ultimately what happened is I think the jury got it right I understand that all
00:51:59
they had was circumstantial evidence I see what I believe to be a mountain of circumstantial evidence I know that it
00:52:07
is called into question uh my next statement here but I do believe that it's likely Scott Peterson told his
00:52:15
in-laws that he went golfing that morning and then later he's saying that he went fishing instead I don't think
00:52:24
that this guy was smart enough to understand or to believe that he was going to have to answer the amount of
00:52:30
questions that he was going to have to to come across I don't believe that he thought he would be investigated as
00:52:36
early into this as he actually was and I think at some point he squirmed when when presented with the idea that he was
00:52:44
golfing and he had to prove where he was well guess what fishing still proves that I didn't kill my wife that in the
00:52:51
window that I'm going to lead you to believe that my wife was murdered um I wasn't here or available or with
00:52:58
her during that time because I was fishing and here's my proof that I was fishing here's my launch ticket here's
00:53:03
the receipt for that and I think this was absolutely premeditated murder I think he planned to kill her before he
00:53:10
purchased that boat I believe that she likely didn't know about the boat and persons close to her and him didn't
00:53:18
know about the boat I think he pre he premeditated the murder of his wife and his to be son and he did this I think I
00:53:29
think I don't think he did this for Amber I don't think he did this because he wanted to be with Amber I think he
00:53:36
just did this for himself and what I mean by that is I think I think all this all this stuff you know the the
00:53:44
purchasing online by Lacy that morning I think so what he he took her debit card
00:53:51
and credit card and he bought something on a website that he knew that she shopped on yeah that's not hard to do
00:53:56
yeah he turns on Martha Stewart while he's preparing things to to take it to San Francisco Bay and he listens to
00:54:03
what's going on and says Ah I remember Martha talking about this and this and this while Lacy was watching it that
00:54:10
morning and then he conveniently goes into work where he's picking up his boat transferring the body at some point from
00:54:19
the truck to the boat taking the body out into the water tossing it over the side of the boat at the trial at the
00:54:27
trial we have the defense that says oh the prosecution uh took out a boat that was uh similar to um oh no no I'm sorry
00:54:38
I got this backwards the defense stated we we have a boat same exact boat as Scott Peterson's took it out to the bay
00:54:47
and using the weight of Peterson as an example and the weight of lacy as an example trying to toss that body over
00:54:54
into the water made the boat capsized therefore Scott Peterson could not have done it in that small of a boat the
00:55:01
prosecution fired back and stated uh well let's do let's use Scott Peterson's actual boat and go out there
00:55:09
and conduct the same test and the defense quickly let that slide they didn't want to see that happen because I
00:55:16
don't think that they believe the the show that they put on much like the show that Scott Peterson was putting on this
00:55:23
whole time I think he fabricated this Alibi I think he did things to make it look like lacy was alive longer than she
00:55:30
was and that he was gone at the time that she disappeared he likely he likely after
00:55:37
driving off with her body either in the truck or all you know he he he might have even had the dog with them and
00:55:45
releases the dog on the side of the road a couple blocks away hoping the dog walks home returns home and the neighbor
00:55:53
finds it and then we have this situation of of his boat that that he's keeping at the
00:56:02
warehouse mhm you know I I really think he had a he had a place that he could go
00:56:08
and he could conceal moving that body very briefly into that boat and then he goes out onto the water on what day
00:56:15
Christmas Eve why he's not expecting to see anybody else out there and he doesn't want to see anybody else out
00:56:22
there well just to play Devil's Advocate defense did present the idea that he saw
00:56:28
somebody out there they claimed that there was eyewitness that saw um Scott Pearson in a boat and that there was
00:56:36
nothing in the boat um that was false because we knew that we had he had fishing equipment he also mysteriously
00:56:44
had a tarp in his boat but this credible eyewitness that they bring up in all these documentaries and say that once he
00:56:52
gets to trial you had this information you could have called him in the first trial you didn't I think they didn't
00:56:58
because I think this guy was full of [ __ ] he saw a guy and a small boat because again it's a freshwater boat and
00:57:07
you're in saltwater and that was kind of funny and you're wearing camouflage clothes and I don't think this guy saw
00:57:14
that also this idea that there's these satanic killings and that they're going to take a mother and take the baby and
00:57:22
blah blah blah there's no evidence of that so uh come up with something a little bit better now the missing
00:57:30
pregnant women H that's kind of an interesting Theory I love how they say there was
00:57:36
eight of them they don't tell you what happened to the eight of them how one was found one was not found one was
00:57:43
found dead one was found alive and yes there was somebody from Modesto pregnant woman that she was found she washed
00:57:53
ashore they did not find her baby and same scenario it was a torso so the the the cops made a huge
00:58:02
mistake by stating where Scott Peterson was because if somebody did do this killing you got a perfect place to up
00:58:12
the body mhm and then you get to frame this guy so then the other thing too and I think this needs to be looked at
00:58:20
more is the prosecution claims that the burger took place on the 24th or took place on
00:58:28
the 26th and not on the 24th well they actually can't prove that and based on reporters that on the 26
00:58:39
the Scott Peterson neighborhood was filled with media so we're talking about the house that's right across the street
00:58:47
and the people right across the street you would think that robbers are not going to break into a house with when
00:58:54
there's tons of media sitting around on the 26 so I think that's something you know if you want to argue
00:59:02
that point I I might listen to you a little bit but let's start with December 9th you get caught you're dating a girl
00:59:11
you're married you're having a child and you're dating somebody and you get caught and you tell that person lie upon
00:59:18
lie upon lie and then you go oh by the way I was married but guess what happened to her she went missing oh when
00:59:26
did she go missing right before Christmas it's going to be my first Christmas without my wife doesn't say
00:59:33
that she was pregnant still again another lie and is he a fortune teller you know what are the odds that
00:59:44
he tells somebody his wife went missing on the 9th and then on the 24th she goes
00:59:51
missing the defense likes to say well you know on the the 24th that Lacy got her hair done and Scott actually invited
00:59:59
the hairdresser back to the house and so that proves that he wasn't planning on killing her that night that
01:00:07
doesn't prove nothing come over to the house watch some football with us eat some pizza I'm going to kill her in her
01:00:14
sleep anyways I think he probably then they went back they're watching TV eating
01:00:21
pizza he probably put a little sleeping pills and in her drink she passed out he
01:00:27
suffocated her I think he had two tarps I think he put her on one tarp but lined
01:00:34
it with the other tarp so the tarps uh tarps were touching but only one tarp was touching the body I think he then
01:00:42
wrapped her body up in that tarp I think he put her in the truck uh and had two tarps and then on Christmas Eve he
01:00:52
decides to take three umbrellas two giant three giant umbrellas from their backyard and store them at his work
01:01:01
Warehouse what is the point of that cuz I have to cover up the fact that I'm taking a body and put it into my truck
01:01:10
and then what does he do he he stages it like you said oh let me put her bench out you know they they claim that the
01:01:18
bench and the and uh her putting out the bench and having her curling iron and all that stuff proves that she was alive
01:01:25
on the 24th maybe she was alive on the 24th maybe he drugged her on the 24th maybe he suffocated her on the 24th or
01:01:33
maybe he staged it it doesn't prove she was alive it just proves that somebody in the house moved the bench that
01:01:39
somebody in the house put a curling iron out that somebody in the house turned on
01:01:43
Martha Stewart it does not prove that Lacy was alive you can't say well Scott watched Martha Stewart so she was alive
01:01:53
no no it proves nothing it just proves that that Scott watched Martha Stewart and then he pulls out a bucket
01:02:01
puts some cleaning supply in it probably bleach cleans up the place then puts the
01:02:07
bucket outside takes the dog puts it on a leash opens up the gate I don't even think he dropped the the dog off
01:02:14
anywhere I think he just opened the gate knowing that the dog is going to make its way outside the gate he then takes
01:02:21
Lacy's body his unborn child's body that's wrapped up in a tarp he goes um to his Warehouse where the boat
01:02:31
that nobody knew existed no proof that anybody knew about this boat and he had anchors made and one of
01:02:42
the big things that people point out is he had this saw that was ordered and it showed up that day and he looked up
01:02:48
instructions and he assembled the saw well it was a wood saw right but this is a guy that takes a freshwater boat and
01:02:57
puts it in saltwater he doesn't give a [ __ ] if it's a wood saw or if it's a metal saw and I think he used this saw
01:03:04
the reason why he had to put it together is cuz he had to finish the anchors he was making so he makes these anchors
01:03:11
which we have proof that he has one in his boat that's tied to nothing that proves that's evidence that it wasn't
01:03:19
being used for an anchor it was going to be used for something el else and maybe
01:03:23
when he get out there again he has a tarp he has um so he has her body in the tarp she's in she's now either in the
01:03:33
back of his truck or she's in the boat and maybe there was an eyewitness that saw Scott and maybe he didn't see
01:03:40
anything in the boat but maybe the boat wasn't packed up yet and that that's my only explanation for
01:03:49
that where the guy just didn't see what do you know what time the witness States
01:03:54
he saw rough roughly at the same time that uh I mean there was a bunch of eyewitnesses that actually saw Peterson
01:04:01
at the dock and that's because this guy that's supposed to be this Avid fisherman and this guy that has a boat
01:04:09
he was so bad at backing up the boat to put it in the water that people were like whoa and we're talking about a
01:04:15
small boat so again lie after lie you also then say I didn't want to go golfing because it was windy and
01:04:27
rainy and okay you don't want to go golfing but you want to go boating when it's when it's windy and rainy so then
01:04:35
you get out there she's in the boat now you have your little homemade anchors that you got from Home
01:04:42
Depot and you tie tie her limbs up and you get her out of the boat and you're gone for about an hour and a half and
01:04:52
then you decide hey I'm going to call call her I established that I'm gone because what you're trying to establish
01:04:58
is that she went missing and you weren't there not that she was murdered that she
01:05:04
went missing and you weren't there so you call her hey honey I forgot to pick up that thing can you pick it up I know
01:05:12
you can't because I killed you but can maybe you can pick it up for papy what the ever the [ __ ] you said and then you
01:05:20
get back and then you're like oh I got to take a shower I'm going to put my clothes in the washer because I need to
01:05:26
have them wash because it might have some evidence on it oh that bucket of cleaning supplies that I claime that you
01:05:34
were going to mop the floor no I'm going to dump that out so you do that then you call oh time
01:05:43
goes by you think you'd be going hey we have a party to go to what the hell's going on where's she at you don't call
01:05:50
911 you claim that you're talking to the neighbors you claim you're going going to the park then you go and you tell the
01:05:57
police officers our marriage was fine which was a [ __ ] lie because you have a fair it's just lie upon lie upon lie
01:06:07
upon lie and I mean I could keep going on and on and on it's like it's just ridiculous and then their bodies are
01:06:17
found miles from where you were at one mile yeah how do you explain that you sell her car how do you explain that
01:06:27
you you dye your hair and and I understand that there's this idea that if there's um a point of
01:06:35
evidence but it also points to guilty or innocent that you're supposed to go to Innocent but how many times are we
01:06:43
supposed to do that if it's a 100 times are we supposed to do that 100 times no absolutely not does you being a liar
01:06:51
does that make you a murderer no does does you have an affair make you a murderer no you lie a million times uh
01:06:59
maybe you are a murderer you're narcissist for one and and I think here's where people get it wrong when
01:07:07
people sit there and say well the media did this to him in the no no no no no no
01:07:12
no he did it to himself he's the one that chose to have a affair he's the one that chose to to lie to the girl that
01:07:18
was his girlfriend he's the one that then told her that his wife went missing he's the one that lied to everybody over
01:07:25
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again right and he so he did this to himself
01:07:33
the media didn't do this to himself I do think the cops messed up a little bit they were searching in the bay for
01:07:42
her body then they find the bodies you know what you need to be searching for the anchors because the anchors that's
01:07:50
your murder weapon right she might have been suffocated beforehand but those those anchors that that is a nail on his
01:07:58
coffin that's to me definitive proof I think they could have found those anchors uh I think they could have
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proved all along the way you know people have these things where they go let Lacy
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knew about the boat no there was no proof that she knew about the boat there was just proof that she went and took a
01:08:17
piss at the warehouse um they could have they could have tested the Cleaning Supply that he
01:08:25
dumped out was it bleach there's all the speculation that people smelled bleach afterwards is it and if it was bleach
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does does that mean he's trying to cover something up um I don't know I Nancy Grace which look
01:08:41
you can hate her for a lot of the stuff she says about other cases fine I'll hand you that but one of the things that
01:08:48
she said which I thought was very interesting was this case was you you wake up right go to
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work it's a sunny day beautiful day out you go to work it's time for lunch you come outside branches all over the place
01:09:06
leaves on the ground puddles everywhere did it storm did not storm you didn't see the
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storm you don't you didn't physically see that it stormed but you can see by that evidence that it did and I think in
01:09:25
this case that's why he was found guilty and that's why he got the death penalty
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I don't think he got the death penalty because he killed Lacy it's he killed Lacy and a
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baby the baby was about to be born you know that's why he got the death penalty well you have to wonder
01:09:47
too you know when people make all these little arguments you have to wonder did he purposely buy the boat with the
01:09:55
fishing gear for the depth finder because he needed to dump them deep enough that they may not ever be
01:10:03
recovered right he also looked up currents current patterns the day before and the thing here is Scott Peterson
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thank God he got the death penalty and hopefully his is a situation where they do in fact execute him California is not
01:10:23
very good at following through with that part of the penalty phase but you know who he reminds me of and
01:10:31
who he would have went on to be like had he not got caught because again I don't
01:10:38
think he did this to be with Amber I think he did this for himself I think that if had he got married again in
01:10:46
another town and another state somewhere a decade or two later mhm he would have
01:10:52
done the same thing to that that person as soon as he decided it was no longer working for him and this would be a
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pattern he would continue to repeat time and time again he reminds me very much of the individual Felix Veil that we
01:11:08
discussed so many cases ago well no and I think the thing though too is a lot of
01:11:13
people go look he's claiming he's innocent he's he's telling his family he's innocent the reason why he
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staged or was trying to Stage that his wife went missing is that he couldn't be man
01:11:30
enough to say look I'm having an affair I don't want to be married I don't want to be a father but he couldn't be a man
01:11:39
and say that well that's kind of weird you know if you have a child you should want to
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be a father but he didn't have the guts to say that because it would make him look like a pile of [ __ ]
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right and I understand that his his uh family want to defend him and all this stuff but how many points of evidence do
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you need that your son is one of the biggest piles of [ __ ] that ever walk this
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