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suspects or at the very least people that we think should be looked at in this case we now need to take an
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in-depth look at two men whom Jen worked with many people believe that one of these men not both is likely responsible
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for Jen's abduction there is a lot in this case that points to Jennifer being abducted by somebody who knew her knew
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where she lived her routines whom she might have trusted and possibly let her guard down with perhaps this person
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confronted her over her recent trip with her boyfriend and an argument ensued the
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story about the two co-workers at Jen's workplace makes them suspects in the eyes of many followers of this case the
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Orlando Police Department did not prioritize Jen's workplace in their investigation probably because she never
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made it into work that day the crime happened elsewhere we said that in the week after Jen's disappearance the
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Orlando Police Department conducted interviews with some colleagues of Jennifer's and took her computer but
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really that's about it the building she worked in had over 3,000 employees Orlando PD did not speak with every or
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actually very many of them at all and there are two in particular who are internet favorites for being her
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abductor these men were not interviewed in depth until 3 years after Jennifer vanished Drew kessie has long told a
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story that may have helped spark public interest in a co-worker of Jennifer as a
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possible Person of Interest he andjoy maintain the manager in Jen's office we're going to call him John he was her
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peer not her superior but he was very interested in Jennifer and repeatedly pestered her about going out with him
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Jennifer did not date colleagues and this manager was married Drew and Joyce suggested to Jennifer that she handle it
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by having lunch with the manager in the building's cafeteria and letting him know firmly that she did not date in the
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workplace Drew says that as far as he knows Jennifer did do this then after her abduction at a public event the cesses
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conducted publicizing Jennifer's case this manager approached the cesses and gave them a secret santa ornament
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Jennifer kept on her desk now if that were all there is to it then the manager would likely get a side eye from the
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public but he might not be a person of interest but there is much much more to this story mhm in 2010 another coworker
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of Jennifers who is known in online forums as the pseudonym Adam Frank although that is not his real name filed
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a harassment suit at CFI Westgate Resorts against the manager who we said had a crush on Jen
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right the manager was Adams Superior at work this lawsuit alleged that the manager was known to have a relationship
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with Jennifer kessie and to have made comments deemed threatening since Jennifer went missing these included
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comments that Jennifer was likely eaten up by alligators by now which he said to
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more than one person MH it also alleged that the manager was late for work on the morning of the 24th of January 2006
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the day that Jennifer went missing according to this complaint the manager made disparaging comments about
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Jennifer's boyfriend and he was obsessed with her Adam Frank claimed that the manager and Jennifer had a confrontation
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about her trip with Ron on that Monday morning after Jennifer got back from St Croy within days of Adam filing this
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harassment suit he was fired from Westgate now it is not known whether the manager was actually late for work that
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day as alleged by Adam managers were were not required to keep time cards but in the wake of Adam's suit and dismissal
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from the company A source told unconcluded that it was Adam not the manager who was obsessed with Jennifer
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he had sent her an email telling her she looked nice and he was creepy and stalkerish by these accounts it seemed
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that this Adam Frank guy may very well have made up the whole thing about the manager to cast suspicion on this
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manager on John rather than himself right the upshot is and we don't know but a private investigator who worked
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for the Cassis views this manager as the prime suspect and says that he has not been cleared by Orlando PD which one the
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manager John John this this manager John was the boss of this other employee who
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later filed the complaint right Adam yeah thank you it is it is difficult to to follow because you really have one
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man saying look at the manager he said some weird stuff he might be guilty of this well and he's also saying that he
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also came in late that day and we have no evidence of Jennifer talking bad about this adom before she went missing
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but we have evidence of her talking to her parents about this John character that is correct the weird thing though
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is we have other sources that say that it was Adam who was late for work on the 24th and not the manager mhm the private
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investigator also states that Adam Frank again a fake name passed a polygraph and
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she was able to corroborate his statements somehow the manager knew about Adam's complimentary email to
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Jennifer indicating that he was monitoring her emails again another thing we just do not have answers to but
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it looks interesting and I'm going to point this out here Captain I firmly believe in reviewing this case that the
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individual or individuals responsible for her disappearance they had some knowledge so whether it be extensive
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knowledge about Jennifer kessie or even just some general vague knowledge but they had some knowledge about this young
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woman and her activities one man that we have not yet addressed and now many feel
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could possibly be linked to what happened to Jennifer because of similarities between Jennifer's
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disappearance and one that he is believed to be responsible for this is 2009 a young woman named Tracy
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acassio left a bar in Metro West neighborhood of Orlando with a man named James hadway the bar was called The Tap
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Room and Jennifer kessie and her friends had been to this bar at least on one occasion which was in Jen's old
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neighborhood Tracy acassio was never seen again after this night at that bar at the tap room with this man and her
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case is still unsolved right her Chevy Cobalt Tracy's car was found in aoi just blocks away from the home of the man she
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left the bar with James hadway Jennifer kessie worked in aoi hadway is now serving life in State Prison in Florida
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convicted of an attack on another young woman Rachel Clark whom he tried to strangle to death in her car after she
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gave him a ride he was known to brag about how he liked to strangle his victims and break their necks hattaway's
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ex-girlfriends told detectives he had a morbid Obsession in Vampires cannibalism
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and serial murders the Orlando Police Department has looked at James away in Jennifer kesse's
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case but the fact is there just is no real evidence to make a connection for one thing both Rachel and Tracy were
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voluntarily in hattaway's presence whereas it is very unlikely that this would ever have been the case with
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Jennifer kessie MH it is theoretically possible that hadway Saul Jennifer kessie somewhere and decided to attack
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her that is possible but again it doesn't seem to be that there's any anything of evidentiary value to connect
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him to her missing person's case yeah it doesn't seem like there's much of a link
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at all I mean definitely similar cases but no link yeah and it's interesting that one of his possible victims it
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sounds to me has never been found as well and I think that is there are several problems with Jennifer kesse's
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case and when I say problems I mean they're they're Mysteries there these little Myster that are inside the big
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mystery and one of them is not only when did this abduction take place and where
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but also why has she never been found right there was not that big of a window to get rid of her or conceal
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her and we went through a lot of the searches that were conducted they had some hits and some leads along the way
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but she's never been found and that's another thing that is cadav dogs didn't hit on her car either right and that's
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the that's the other thing that is still so troubling and hurtful to her family to this
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day I know her father at least based off of words that I've heard him say in interviews seems to have come to the
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reality and and maybe that's not the right phrase but at least has has decided to accept the very
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likely reality that his daughter is no longer with us mhm but they still need some even hint of closure they still
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need to find her I understand why people would question the time of of when she would be abducted but to me it just
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seems like everything points to that she got up and was getting ready for work and then she left for work then the
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question for me becomes more did it happen on the way to her car or was she in her car uh did she actually
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leave uh the her condos unit was she driving it it seems like to me those are the most likely ideas and so I kind of
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want to start ruling out this idea that she was abducted at night well and I think if you could if we could take away
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what what we know of the statements regarding these cell phone pings this was a conversation that happened between
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Orlando PD and the kessie family right if that would have never gone public if that conversation never made it to to
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the Public's ears I don't know how anybody could consider otherwise I mean like as you
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said I I think everything points to a morning abduction yeah and I then I also wonder too like what records do they
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have I mean do they have her financial records because yes the the answer to that is
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yes they have that information and I think if you would be able to prove that you know at 11:00 at night or whatever
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she went to a bar and had a drink or something now that puts us in a whole different mindset of what happened MH we
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then know that she was lying to her boyfriend we then know that she she actually left her apartment but we don't
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have any records of that the only possible evidence in my mind that points to a nighttime abduction a possible
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nighttime abduction is these cell phone pings the phones being shut off which we've are now being told by the same
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people that told us about these cell phone pings to begin with that this could be all bogus information we don't
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know what they're being told that there there may be some good information in here however we know that there is some
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bad information in here so we can't look at this and just arbitrarily decide what
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is correct and what is not correct you have to just kind of throw it all out and say we're not going to look at that
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well and I also think the big point of evidence would be let's say she went to a bar and she met up with some guy then
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that individual goes back to her house stages the fact that she got ready for work knew what items to take that she
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would normally take to work uh lay out out multiple outfits that would match a certain set of shoes that she told her
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mother she was going to wear uh that just seems like a lot for a perpetrator to be able to do we do know what's
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interesting in those regards though Captain we do know that somebody the perpetrator or the offender or somebody
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that was working with the offender staged the car so I guess it wouldn't be too big of a leap for
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somebody then to say I want to be clear this is not my thoughts on this at all but are they staging the car or are they
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just moving the car well that in a sense it's the same thing so therefore I guess
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the the easy leap to make would be well if she was abducted the night before or abducted from her
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vehicle then maybe the perpetrator went to the condo and staged the condo as well I'm with you I don't
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think that there would be any way for this offender to know exact L how to Stage to the condo to make it appear
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that she was going to leave that morning I already said that I believe that this
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individual has some knowledge about Jennifer Cassie right but this seems like too much knowledge would need to be
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had where I think this could get a little more likely even though I disagree with it would be if she left
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her condo with the intention of going immediately to work the next morning from wherever she was
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going because then she would have brought those items with her willingly I I'm with you though I I 100%
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lean toward the idea of a morning abduction well I also don't believe that this perpetrator had to know a lot about
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her I could just known a little bit about her I think when her father Drew says look you have a pretty girl they
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don't just take pretty girls and put them in the corner and stare at them there there's a motive there and I think
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that's probably what the motive was and I think it could simply be somebody working on
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that site there's undock undocumented workers there's Crews of people you know I used to work some construction Crews
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you want to know anybody's name that you're on that crew with unless you worked with them multiple times but a
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lot of those times those Crews would change over very rapidly all this guy comes to work with us one week well he
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got paid and now he's not with us any longer what was his name uh well we called
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him called him Scarface or whatever right um you might not know his actual name mhm and I think it's it's more
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likely that for whatever reason she got into her car or was maybe she was making
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trips to her car to bring things to work and this person looked at this as a opportunity look I have good reason to
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believe that that I know who should very likely be the the number one prime suspect in jod hosen
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truths abduction which took place in Iowa City right we in Iowa and really that person all they needed to know to
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carry out that abduction early that morning is where she lived what her vehicle looked like and what time she
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would leave to go to that's all that person needed to know to carry that out I think we have a situation here where
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it's so similar in my mind that that's all this individual or individuals would need to know where she lived what time
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approximately she left for work and what her vehicle was well and it's not impossible to get some dickweed to go
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drop off this girl's car at an apartment complex right it's not impossible but the fact that they actually you know we
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have some evidence that not only did they drop the car but they walked back to the condo complex yeah
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so again I don't I think the dickweed that dropped off the car is most likely in my mind the perpetrator or one of two
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or one of a team and it's so interesting that you use the word dickweed because when last week you asked the listeners
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to go to our blog view the pictures of the person of interest yeah and tell us what they saw well I said what I see
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100% is a dickweed by far the most popular Theory regarding the person or persons responsible for Jennifer kesse's
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disappearance centers on the workers at Jennifer's condo complex yeah well the thing I can't get over when you're
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looking at that dickweed is they're claiming he's pretty small right or she is pretty small under 5'5
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the smallest that we see reported would be 53 but again I believe that there there are other agencies other than the
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FBI that believe that this person could be as tall as 5'1 right so releasing the
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oh the the perpetrator or the person of interest is what we should call them because that's what law enforcement has
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referred to this person as right the person of interest absolutely the person pictured there
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absolutely did move that vehicle Jennifer kesse's car we know that moved that vehicle and parked it there around
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noon the on the 24th so where our window of time starts at 10: p.m. the night before this person is moving this
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vehicle and leaving it in that parking lot at noon 100% that person drove that vehicle other agencies are saying look
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we have this individual taller than what the FBI stated 5' 3 to 5' 6 in is tall not much taller but as tall as 5' 10 or
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5' 11 but again one of the popular theories regarding this person or persons responsible for Jennifer kesse's
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disappearance centers on the workers at her condo complex right and you would think well this should be easy for
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police to vet these individuals to investigate these individuals but it's not so easy when we have the kessis who
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say after Jennifer disappeared it seemed like some of these workers magically disappeared keep in mind the authorities
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may not even know who all of these workers were at the time or even to this day many of them were undocumented
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workers some of them were crashing at the condo complex in its empty units we could be talking about usually
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with with this type of work this line of work we usually are talking about a lot
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of season seasonal Andor transient workers as well these workers would or could know which units were
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empty possibly utilizing an empty unit to abduct and hold a kidnap victim right remember there were about 250 empty
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units at this time the workers could also know Jennifer's routine remember too that Jennifer's family has said that
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the workers would regularly cat call or Lear at Jennifer this happened to other women in the complex as well yeah and
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but also when you look at the surveillance picture it also looks like the person's
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wearing some kind of outfit you'd wear when you're doing construction or painting yeah some kind of work outfit
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or some type of uniform now also remember regarding these possibilities that there is some belief that a set of
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master keys was stolen mhm meaning that someone could have access to all of the units although if Jennifer was taken in
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the morning the suspect very likely would just grab her in the parking lot and not even need to enter her apartment
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right but I think the evidence that we know that this person dropped off her car and then headed back to the condo
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unit is evidence that there's some direct connection between them and those condo units and they and they could have
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been staying in one of those rooms could have had their car parked in in the parking lot drop it off now that I did
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this bad thing I got to hit the road I got to get out of here yeah no I 100% agree with that I think that it's very
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likely that the reason why the trail goes cold for the scent dog who is trying to track where the vehicle or
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where the perpetrator the person that drove the vehicle went off to after parking it right goes back to her condo
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complex goes back to her parking garage G area and then all of a sudden stops at
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the stairs I think that's because this individual not only walked back there but got into a vehicle at that General
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here Captain this comes from Jennifer's father Drew kessie remember we had said last week that he had reported that on a
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couple of occasions when she had to have work done in her condo unit that she would drive home on her lunch break she
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would oversee the work that was going on and she would stay on the cell phone talking with family or friends so the
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workers knew that she was in a sense not alone and she would watch the work being
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conducted she didn't want want to have these workers in her condo unit when she was not
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there he says that on one of these occasions that one of the workers was later arrested for statutory rape in
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2008 apparently what according to Drew what he wants to say is that this worker is someone that had later told the
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Orlando Police Department that yes he had worked in Jennifer's condo and the last time that he saw Jennifer was when
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they started working in her condo she had let him in telling him to just lock the door on his way out Drew points out
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that not only is it suspicious that this man later goes on to commit a crime but
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he also says this story that sounds untrue to Drew it sounds like something that she would not have done or
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consented to yeah I like where his heads at with this but at the same time seems
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to me once somebody committed a crime like this they would just disappear from the complex alog together possibly I
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mean if they had the ability to do so right they might not have the ability to do so and then furthermore if they do
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and they don't have an out or Reason to no longer be there that in itself may make them look
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suspicious this worker according to Orlando Police Department was questioned by them and according to them he passed
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a polygraph the second worker that was working with him regarding that day with the story that he told was also cleared
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and I say that I want I want to really Circle and underline this before we move on the statement is he was
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cleared I don't know that when you see the words also cleared that to me implies that the other guy was cleared
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as well mhm I don't know that these guys should be cleared number number one and
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I also question how official that would be by Orlando Police Department if in fact they were officially cleared or if
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it was just written this way in the Articles now according to the Cassies many of the other workers disappeared as
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you had pointed out captain and there is little to no documentation on how or where to find these workers right and
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that that's what I think one would disappear it's possible that this individual also knows because there's
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undocumented workers that when a crime happens within the vicinity or happens to somebody that of a place that they're
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working at that a bunch of workers flee the scene therefore not making a big deal that they're going to leave as well
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Drew and Joyce kessie have said that they were told by the police department that Orlando tried a quote sting
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operation with a painting company working at the comp Lex but many of the workers were gone by the time they were
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doing this sting operation so there are conflicting reports about whether all of
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the workers were actually tracked down and questioned I did find some reports to state that state that that did in
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fact happen but many reports question if that actually happened and how would they absolutely know that everybody was
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questioned the Cassies are adamant that not all of these workers were in fact questioned there are statements by a
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private investigator who worked with the kessie family and this investigator maintains that yes all of the workers
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were Tracked Down including some outside of the United States and spoken to Drew
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kessie has said that when he and his wife Joyce were living in Jennifer's condo remember they did this for about 8
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months after she disappeared he says while they're living there the Landscaping Maintenance crew would
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arrive every Tuesday morning by 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. this to mow prune the shrubs and tidy the grounds he wants to know
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what these guys saw what they could have seen that Tuesday Morning of January 24th when Jennifer in theory could have
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been taken some reports have stated that Jennifer's car was observed by these workers not to be in its designated spot
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remember her spot was number 2226 mhm not in her spot on that Tuesday but we obviously ly just don't know for
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sure here's the thing that I want to get want to point out too regarding this this parking area and regarding where
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the footsteps the where the scent Dog bow tracked this scent to mhm if I'm living in this condo complex yes I have
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an assigned parking space it it's you actually with most of these places your the purchase of your condo includes the
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purchase of that parking space right and sometimes you can purchase an additional
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spot if you wish if I'm living there and I know that half the place is empty and I have to walk a distance to
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get to these stairs and then from the stairs get to my condo if those other spaces are not being used why wouldn't I
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just park at the space closest to the stairs even though that's not my assigned spot right I could totally see
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somebody doing I would do that I would totally do that and then I would you also play your music too loud and my
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condo and I would blast the music and look I I wouldn't get kicked out of this condo cuz I want to point something out
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here too that look it almost feels like lawlessness at this condo I do not as somebody who worked in property
00:34:41
management for many many years and for three and a half of those years worked as the Security administrator for a
00:34:48
condo complex I am appalled at what is being reported that was coming out of this
00:34:55
condo complex at the time that went missing we don't have any real security going on we have the appearance of
00:35:05
security and unfortunately the people that are going to do bad things that are going to do harm to the residents they
00:35:12
are smart enough to realize that there is no real security going on at this place what we have going on is the
00:35:19
appearance of security and they're only trying to uphold the appearance of security and not real security to
00:35:26
appease the people living there to trick the people that are living there there was nothing to actually protect the
00:35:33
residents of this condo complex be it from criminals that that are outside of the property or be it from criminals
00:35:40
that were employed to work and renovate this property right right but I think eventually there was going to be it's
00:35:46
just you couldn't have the gates closed all the time when you have all these workers coming in and out so willy-nilly
00:35:52
but also that's the problem the workers are coming in and out Willy nilly mhm the condominium complex that I worked at
00:35:59
was under construction when I started working there there were zero m zero tenants zero people that owned a condo
00:36:08
that had moved in by that time the second week I was there we had two people MH that lived there and then that
00:36:14
grew every couple of months so I worked in a place that was more more under construction than this place that we are
00:36:23
discussing today it it was more than 50% under construction every day we checked
00:36:30
in and checked out workers that worked there they were not to be on that property without going through us first
00:36:38
they were not to leave that property without going through us first we knew every worker that was working there when
00:36:44
they were working there and what company they were working for and who uh the work that they were there to perform mhm
00:36:52
yes it it's it's quite the operation it it it's tedious and it took a lot of work and a lot of organization but we
00:37:00
did it and why we cared about the actual Safety and Security of our people living
00:37:09
there of the homeowners living there yeah well obviously this community didn't I mean right and that's what I'm
00:37:15
appalled at and on top of that they said oh by the way we we don't know who you are but you can stay in the empty units
00:37:22
as well yeah I mean it's it's completely irresponsible and I was doing this years before she
00:37:30
went missing so it's not a technology thing it's really just a it's a lack of giving a [ __ ] is what it is yeah well I
00:37:38
I think possibly I mean your unit you know where you worked is also different than this big complex you you'd have M
00:37:45
you know tons of Crews working on these units and so the crews would be spread out probably a little bit more but still
00:37:53
I mean shut the gates have p pass codes for people so you know who's entering and who's exiting and and then everybody
00:38:02
should be documented and everybody every crew the crew leader should know everybody's name social security number
00:38:12
whatever when five people don't show up after a crime happened you're able to give those names and information to law
00:38:20
enforcement yeah we'd be able to say so and so just all of a sudden is no longer
00:38:25
here and they could go to that person's company mhm and I want to be clear it these they are there to perform work on
00:38:32
the property they're not necessarily employed by the condo complex they're there to conduct work to do so
00:38:40
so um that's why they don't know everything but again you can check all of those workers in and check them out
00:38:47
at the end of the day we did it all the time for three and a half years mhm well
00:38:51
again back to the surveillance tape looks like maybe a painters outfit it could Al also be some kind of uniform
00:39:00
for landscaping as well yeah I think the from what little I can see I see what would appear to me to be like a line
00:39:10
cook somebody that works in a restaurant but you know behind the scenes or a painter that that I think the problem is
00:39:18
like they said these this outfit is a little bleached out mhm so that that's what kind of makes you that's what makes
00:39:26
me go to the same thing all painter or line cook some some people online have suggested a a cricket player which and
00:39:35
then posted some pictures of individuals that played Cricket in the the uniform is very similar mhm and when looking
00:39:43
through that one thing that that jumped into my mind immediately was in Orlando this the sport of highi was pretty
00:39:52
popular I don't know if it's still popular to this day but it used to be very popular in Orlando and they wear
00:39:58
similar uniforms to what people would wear for a cricket match one suspect that I want to make sure we include
00:40:07
captain and this comes from a caller who called into uh the unconcluded podcast and
00:40:13
brought a Facebook post to the attention of the host this was a local guy who grew up in the oakd area of Orlando this
00:40:23
is not far from where Jennifer lived but it's also in one of those not so nice neighborhoods this location was near the
00:40:31
oakd Baptist Church where a woman on her front porch said that she saw cars signaling to someone in the woods as a
00:40:41
teen this caller had a classmate who was as he says a bad dude one of those guys
00:40:49
that would uh you know get into trouble a lot he shot off guns he behaved violently recklessly committed sexual
00:40:57
assaults and had a number of arrests over the course of some years this guy apparently bragged that he was a menace
00:41:05
to society and had gotten away with lots of crimes the caller said that this guy
00:41:10
had even shot the caller's friend and gotten away with it the caller didn't know the Guy's real name just his street
00:41:19
name eventually sometime around 2016 this guy was deported for being a criminal it's not known to where and he
00:41:29
went to prison in his country but then in November 2017 the caller saw a Facebook post from
00:41:37
this crazy guy he had known from the his neighborhood and the guy posted a long rambling profane semil literate
00:41:47
confession of sorts about all of the bad stuff he had done including sexual assaults of two family members and so on
00:41:55
mhm he made apologies to various people and at the end of the post which was deleted but only after it was
00:42:05
screenshotted by this caller was the sentence quote sorry tell Jennifer kesse's parents and I
00:42:14
apologize now I'm trying to read that best I can because those aren't some of those aren't real words that this person
00:42:20
typed out but basically this is an apology or sounds like an apology to Jennifer kesse's parents the caller was
00:42:29
familiar with the kessie case and said that he saw her parents handing out flyers in his neighborhood more than
00:42:35
once he said this Shady guy tended to hang out on Texas Avenue this is where Huntington on the green is located we
00:42:45
are told that this information was in fact passed along to Orlando's Police Department I've not heard any updates
00:42:52
regarding this situation the the Orlando Police Department has also stated that they cannot rule out the possibility of
00:43:01
sex trafficking in Jennifer's case apparently the Orlando area had several rings in operation in 2006 and was
00:43:10
reported to have one of the highest rates of sex trafficking in the country at that
00:43:16
time criminal profiler Pat Brown spoke with Jane valz Mitchell about her thoughts on the likely offender
00:43:26
and says well Jane I think that Jennifer's father is correct I think what happened was she left that
00:43:33
condominium was getting into her car and that's where she was abducted because if
00:43:38
somebody had their own vehicle they would grab her and pull her into their vehicle because it is much easier to
00:43:45
work a crime scene when the police don't know where the crime scene is but when you use somebody else's vehicle and that
00:43:54
is found that's going to be a crime scene so my guess is this guy lived in the condominium or was working in the
00:44:03
Condominiums that's why he took her car took it someplace did something and then
00:44:09
dropped it off and went back where he had to go because either he works or he lives there so I think the police do
00:44:18
have a focus they can go right to that condominium ask everybody who do they know what psycho AIC creature is running
00:44:27
around that condominium that people know of living there or working there that might have abducted Jennifer when she
00:44:35
came out of that condominium and went to her car so Captain I want to ask you is
00:44:42
there a theory that you lean toward is there thoughts that that you have on the case regarding what you believe could
00:44:49
have happened here well like I said I think it's more likely that she's abducted after she got ready for work
00:44:55
taken away the the nighttime abduction Theory I think it was somebody that like you've said before somebody that worked
00:45:03
at the condo complex or lived there or both and um pretty pretty much similar to the the profilers thoughts yeah I
00:45:14
agree with with you and the profiler Pat Brown as well the when you're profiling
00:45:20
a case one thing that you need to do especially when we have so many missing puzzle pieces as we do here is you need
00:45:28
to profile the victim the area the situation and the offender and a lot of times profiling the victim the area and
00:45:37
any circumstances situations going on at the time that will help you that all of
00:45:44
that information you will apply that to the profiling of your offender or your likely offender what I see here on the
00:45:52
surface is a young professional woman who moved into this condo recently she was only there about 3
00:46:00
months and it appears that the biggest threats that would be going on in her life at that time would be the the
00:46:09
things surrounding her condo the workers there the willy-nilly coming and going of these different
00:46:16
workers and that seems to be the most likely threat or the biggest threat that she was facing at that time as as a
00:46:25
potential victim when we look at her victimology and therefore if you go and say all right well we lean towards the
00:46:32
idea of a morning abduction well she's going to be vulnerable I don't care if it's during daylight hours she's going
00:46:39
to be vulnerable during that walk between the the door to her condo and the door to her
00:46:46
car on top of that somebody could have monitored that situation and plan this out this to me looks to be landed out it
00:46:57
looks to me like she was targeted again the offender would not need to know her name or crucial information
00:47:05
about her to Target her just Target her based off of the want to abduct this person and the only General information
00:47:14
that they would need to know is again where does she live about what time can I expect her to go from her condo to her
00:47:22
car or from her car to her condo and which vehicle is hers because if she's not parked in her designated parking
00:47:31
space then I need to know where her car is I need to be a be able to visually identify a car as being hers so I can
00:47:40
plan out where and when I'm going to grab and abduct this person one thing that I've always questioned in this case
00:47:50
is we know that when her parents find out that something is up that something's going on she didn't show up
00:47:56
to work now we're getting an emergency call from her work we've placed a call to her condo complex and
00:48:03
said can you check her door can you see if she's home can you check and see if her car is
00:48:11
there they are told no she's not home and no her car is not there I've always wondered if in fact if she was choosing
00:48:20
to park elsewhere if there was a chance that at that moment in time if her car actually was on the premises if it was
00:48:28
on the the property itself itself if it wasn't moved yet yeah right but if some some idiot worker there look people can
00:48:35
get mad at me all they want what I see here is a clear it's so clear that they do not care about the security of the
00:48:42
the homeowners at that time I'm with you they probably were going to at some point but as we agreed in the John Benet
00:48:50
case nobody should be should feel less safe on December 26th than they should any other day of the year so when you
00:48:57
are selling security to your homeowners as a reason to live there as part of your condo fees each month then provide
00:49:06
them with such security that they are told that they expect to receive this person whoever they sent may it had the
00:49:14
best of intentions may actually be a good person I don't know but I have every reason to believe that that person
00:49:22
may have no idea what type of vehicle Jennifer was driving therefore I look up her
00:49:29
information oh she's supposed to be in this spot what did we say 2226 I believe I go to 2226 there's no car there
00:49:38
there's nothing there her car is not here it could have very well have been over by the stairs or in a different
00:49:45
spot that was more convenient to her because there's not as many people living there to fill up all of those
00:49:51
spaces I think key the key thing here is when and where was that vehicle that morning from the time that she was
00:49:59
supposed to be gone at work until they know it to be moved and then parked mhm because that's going to shrink our
00:50:07
window even more I also kind of lean toward the idea that I'm thinking two people are more likely involved in this
00:50:16
than just one it feels like it would be look it'd be easier to carry it out if you had help number one and then number
00:50:24
two on top of that depending on what time they they took her if you and I are both right if Pat
00:50:29
Brown is right and she was abducted between the door of her condo and the door to her
00:50:35
car there's not a lot of time to do whatever you got to do and move all these things around and and put
00:50:44
all these things into place because I also believe that that very likely whatever whatever
00:50:52
demise she was met with I kind of feel like I kind of feel like a lot of this stuff was done before the car was parked
00:51:02
before the car was left at Huntington on the green it almost feels like to me the
00:51:06
Final Act in this whole sequence of events just dropped the car off yeah very likely could be yeah get rid of the
00:51:13
car and then then get back to where I'm supposed to be where I'm supposed to be accounted for MH and I almost feel like
00:51:21
you got two scenarios here where you make one guy you got two guys one guy goes and Parks the car returns back to
00:51:30
where they're supposed to be working or where they have worked in the past and now they're getting into this
00:51:38
other person's vehicle or a shared vehicle and they're driving off for the day now that could mean disposing of her
00:51:48
afterward after they leave the property I feel like the immediate area has been searched so well that if she wasn't in
00:51:55
the immediate area that they would have found her by now and it's so sad that they they have not right for the
00:52:00
family's sake but also the the biggest mystery in here is simply just not to me isn't isn't even any more
00:52:10
about what happened to her I I feel like we will never know that 100% until she is found until she is
00:52:20
located maybe you get a confession out of somebody if this was more than one person maybe you will at somebody that
00:52:26
can't keep their mouth shut my fear is that one or both of these people are no longer in the area and probably have not
00:52:33
been so in a long time right I also think it's strange that we we have a lot of information about the cell phone ping
00:52:41
and that information could be wrong but why don't we have more information about
00:52:45
the cell phone pings of the the the morning in question yeah is there any way to like forensically go back and
00:52:53
look at that again to put a new set of eyes on that and make make heads or tals of the different pings and when the the
00:53:01
the phones were powered down or I I guess I should say shut off or the batteries removed MH because the Cassis
00:53:10
in their statements what they've said were batteries removed which of course sounds a lot worse than powered down or
00:53:17
turned off in January of 2018 so 2 years ago Captain but 12 years after Jennifer
00:53:24
was taken the Orlando Police Department held a press conference at Huntington on the
00:53:30
green where they announced quote enhanced focus on the Jennifer kessie investigation and they trotted out an
00:53:38
Orlando city bus with Jennifer's photo on the side despite the Orlando PD's statement that the case was active and
00:53:47
that they would never stop looking for Gennifer the kessis were fed up Logan kessie went off and tore into the Orland
00:53:55
Orlando Police Department he said that the press conference was a slap in the face to the family and that the police
00:54:01
department was only putting on a show of caring about the case because the kessis
00:54:07
now had attorneys involved Logan confirmed that the family had hired attorneys to try to obtain copies of
00:54:15
Orlando PD's investigative files on his sister's case the cesses maintained that
00:54:21
the case had gone cold and it needed an independent review after their Foya request for the case
00:54:28
files were repeatedly denied they retained attorneys to help them gain access to the 14,000 pages of the
00:54:36
Orlando Police Department's Case Files they filed a lawsuit against the police department in December of
00:54:43
2018 this lawsuit was groundbreaking for a family to demand that a case legally be declared cold and a police department
00:54:51
legally required to hand over documents this is a bit of a risky tactic if the cesses alienated the Orlando Police
00:55:01
Department the case might just sink into the abyss so to speak now in March of 2019 the kessis settled their lawsuit
00:55:11
against the police department the parties agreed that the department would no longer be obligated to investigate
00:55:17
Jennifer's case and they began handing over the Jennifer kessie case files to the family but this didn't come without
00:55:25
a cost this the cost would be $18,600 in the files that they have never heard of the family sadly is still
00:56:00
waiting for that one phone call that can bring their daughter home if you have any information on the whereabouts of
00:56:09
Jennifer kessie please call the cessie family's private investigator at 94120 [Music]
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