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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] Hey, uh, your buddy Bill Huffman. Hi, Bill. Hi, Bill. Hey. Hi, D. He's
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always listening. So, I I hope he's listening. Um, you did uh a bunch of stuff with uh Who
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Killed Amy Mahalovic. Mhm. And he I think he's doing a series on Danny Green. Dan Green. Danny Green. I did so
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much stuff with Who Killed Amy Mahalavik and I think I've said this here before.
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I felt like he should name me as co-host of the show. I how many episodes do you
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think you were on? Um he tweeted about it all the time. I'm like is he on again?
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I I you know what and all in all looking back maybe I'm only on like four episodes and I think he did like 16 or
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something. So So I'm kind of joking there but um I know he and I have spoke about the case many times. So it feels
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feels more than that to me. If you're interested in the Amy Mahalovic case, uh, that's something you definitely want
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to check out. But, uh, I did some music for him for his new thing on The Irish Man. And then he sent me an email
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or maybe his Twitter or something. Uh, he's doing another show where he is going to be interviewing podcasters
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about, I think, unsolved cases that they're fascinated by. M um but when he sent me
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the message, I I thought to myself, he probably sent this to me before he he sent you a message. Mhm. So, I felt
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honored by that. Uh if that is true, but if you check your email today, um maybe
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it's not true, but but I thought it was an interesting idea because we we all have these cases that we go back to. Um,
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like it just seems like I if if you're a true crime fan that that's just like some weird commonality that we all have.
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I have not met anybody that's a true crime fan so far and I've met thousands of them
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that didn't have one or two cases that they always went back to. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, cuz there's some that for whatever
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reason stick with you more than others. And there's also some that you know, like you talked about a YouTube rabbit
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hole or or reading online forums or anything like that. There's some for whatever reason that you you're so
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interested in the case and what information is out there about the case that you cannot get enough you cannot
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consume or digest enough Yeah. information about the case. And some of it is look whatever interests you or whatever
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whatever fascinates you go for it. But um I will say no no don't do that and well well yeah you know within limits.
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Yeah. Let's not let's not uh there are laws and uh people's feelings to consider. Yeah. If you see a link that
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says a farmer with his horse, you don't need to click on that. But I I will say in some cases in Amy's case will would
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be included in that there there are sometimes where I find I'm like unfortunately I'm like [ __ ] I
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think I just wasted hours of my life because I couldn't pull myself away from from you know books,
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TV, computer screen, whatever because you get locked in. Well, that's a conundrum because if you locked in on a
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case, but you know, if you go it's it's sometimes it's not the first hour, sometimes it's the second hour that you
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find something that maybe doesn't mean anything, but it can be very fascinating. Like it
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it might not mean anything, but it could mean everything. And and I feel like I've been repeating that a lot lately.
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Uh but with so many cases it's like something could mean everything, something could mean nothing. But uh but
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you're very uh you know a segue into you're very entrenched into Ohio cases. Yes, I've I've been always been
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fascinated with Ohio cold cases, homicides. Um, and primarily for the number one reason for
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me is that the cases that really pique my interest are ones especially where the if they're took place in a place
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where I've been before. Like if you can visualize because I prefer to read true crime rather than to watch it or to
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listen to it. And so when picking up a book or reading something online or or wherever I may find it, the cases that
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intrigue me the most are the ones where I can kind of visualize the lay of the land and visualize things as they're
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being described and as they're happening. Um, so I think that's why for me Ohio cold cases have always intrigued
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me more than than cases from other areas just because I know the lay of the land
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and I can visualize things. And the thing too is the landscape and people and communities change throughout the
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years. And having been born and raised in Ohio, I I have a better understanding of of that in those neighborhoods and in
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those areas. Right. I I wonder if that's one of the reasons I think one of the reasons why people
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are so fascinated by uh West Memphis 3 is one the age of the victims and and and just how they were hanging out
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beforehand. I think there's some psych psychology there where we we've all been those eight-year-olds riding around on
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our bikes. Uh we've all been confronted back in the day that that was your mode of transportation. That's how you knew
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if if your buddies were home, you know, you could drive by you could ride your bike by their house and you could see
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their bike was outside and you go, "Oh, so and so's home." Or or there's a bunch
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of bikes outside that they had a party and they didn't invite you. Um well, that one has the added layer of
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the the suspects, the people that are that are tried and ultimately convicted and, you know, regardless of what side
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of the fence you stand on. Um, it has the added layer of a lot of people identify with the the people the the
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teenage boys that end up being tried for the case. Yeah, I was going to get to that. Oh, sorry. But but my first point
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is that that you you identify with the victims because you've been the kids that were on your bikes playing after
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school. Uh, you know, hey, meet me at my house after school. We've all been there. And then like you said, the
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suspects being teenagers, feeling like outcasts, and and a lot of people in the true crime genre.
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whether or not you listen to heavy metal music or um industrial music like Manson
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or 9-in Nails like you all had, you know, personally, not me, cuz I I think having a father that
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was a detective, I never felt like true crime was like a hobby. Like I didn't feel that way. But but but
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I know, you know, like I said, meeting thousands and thousands of people that are into true crime, knowing that now
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with it being like in vogue, I guess, right? Uh now we're starting going, "Oh man, there's
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so many of us." Um we just didn't know it before. Because if you did bring it up, you might feel like a outcast.
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There's, you know, there's so many memes about, you know, like meeting a stranger
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and within like minutes stop. Oh, I never brought it up when I was younger. And it wasn't I never looked at it as a
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hobby either. It was um I enjoyed reading and especially, you know, when we were kids, teachers,
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parents more so, I believe, were pushing reading more than they do today. Um, I don't know that to be a fact, but I
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remember when we were very young, they were pushing reading a lot with with things like contest at school with uh
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remember you would track what books you read and when and you like would um anyway,
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so it was it was something that I enjoyed doing was reading just in general. But I found that I gravitated
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towards I I tend to prefer to read true crime. Mhm. You know, if you sent me into a bookstore and would let me look
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at all the shelves, that would be typically what I would walk out with, much to the dismay of my parents. Well, and if
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you I'm a huge bookstore lover. Um, just like I we have a great shop in town. Um,
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the smelly bookstore. It's not called I know, but that's what I call it. Go ahead. You think it smells? I do. The
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book loft. Yeah. Bad. Do you think it smells bad? I think it's got a It's got an interesting odor to it. It's I'm not
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saying it's a bad bookstore. It's a fant it's a wonderful bookstore. They should
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take my advice. I don't know if they've made one yet, but I came up with this a long time ago. Uh and my ex-wife
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was not a fan of a lot of my ideas, but I came up with the idea. Um it's so funny, too. That's just It seems
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right. That sounds right. The the best thing about it is I you know a lot of people don't know our whole story and I
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won't go into that but we didn't have any communication for about three and a half years.
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Not my desire. I wanted to be a part of her kids' lives and it I think it was cramping her style her single lifestyle.
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So, we didn't talk. And when we finally did talk, it's because she found out about the show. And and she wasn't like,
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"Congratulations on the show." She was like, "I can't believe you. I wanted to talk about cases all the time and you
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never would talk to me about them." And uh which is which is Sorry, I have something go on with my phone there. Oh,
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it's plain. But, you know, it's um for whatever reason, it's just like I I I guess I never talked about the cases,
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you know, cases with her. Uh I never really maybe showed her that I was cuz she would always be watching stuff,
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true crime stuff. And I'd always watch it. I just wouldn't kind of keep my thoughts to myself. I didn't know it was
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like, you know, I could I could have kept the marriage together if I would have just talked more about Casey
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Anthony. But um but yeah. Yeah, she was she was saying that, you know, I can't believe you. But but anyways, one of my
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best ideas that she actually believed in was Barnes & Noble has a smell. It's like new book.
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Not the franchise, just a a particular store, I guess. No, no, the franchise. The whole every bookstore of Barnes &
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Noble smells the same. Well, look, I've only been in three or four. Okay, out of
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the three or four I've been in, they all smell the same. It's like this new book
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smell, which is nice. It's a nice smell. And there's normally a Starbucks within
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the Barnes & Nobles that I've been to. So, it's kind of this Starbucks meets new book smell.
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And it's fabulous. And I think if Barnes & Noble made a candle called the new book smell or Barnes & Noble, whatever
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you want to call it, you know, it's a new book smell with a hint of coffee, you know. Um, and probably like a hint
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of uh elitist smell, you know, like I'm in That's the people that shop at Barnes & Noble.
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Well, anybody that is in a bookstore is an elitist. It's like, you know, I read books. I'm I'm smarter than everybody.
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Is that what that means? Like a like a 1% is what I'm saying. 80% roughly new book smell,
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19% coffee Starbucks smell, 1% elitist smell. And that and it would be a perfect
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candle. All right, but anyways, I digress. We have Nobody would buy the the candle of the book loft. See, I
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don't think the book loft Oh, yeah. I Maybe you need that little elitist smell. Maybe that's what's maybe that's
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what's changing because the the book loft does not smell good. They just open up a window. I don't think it smells
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bad. Okay, I could see it being a little stuffy. It feels a little stuffy, but it's also like a hundred-year-old
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building. Yeah. Yeah. But I I wouldn't say it's bad, but Yeah. smells like a hundred-year-old
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building that's been stuffed full of mil dewy books and non- elitist shoppers. Next time I
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go there, I'm going to be like, really? Like the whole Yeah. The Well, the the the the lower
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level smells bad and then the higher levels smell bad. the ground level. It depends on the outside weather, the
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temperature outside. Yeah. I normally, the funny thing is, I think the last like four or five times I've gone to the
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book loft, it's been raining really bad. So maybe that's why I didn't really notice it because it's like, yeah, it's
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feels a little stuffy in here, but it's also, you know, pouring cats and dogs. Well, part of that is the area. So like
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that that whole area is built on top of like a 85year-old sewer system. So good luck not smelling bad. So here's an
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update. We're going to move on to the update. Wow. Um Nick complains that these shows are too long. Well, this is
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why. So my paper here says August 18th, 2019 press release, which that cannot be
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right because that would be yesterday, the Sunday. Ooh. Now, you know, we're recording this today on Monday. Um, I
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believe this, well, this press release came out on Friday the 16th. So, my paper is wrong here, but the rest of the
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paper is hopefully right, which I'm going to read most of it here. So, the press release states, a new DNA test
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ordered in the 1987 Barbie or Barbara Blatnik homicide. Forensic genealogy team will use profile
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in attempt to identify the killer. Now for our listeners, they will remember that we covered Barbie's case in July of
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this year. Early July, which was episodes 316 and 317. And the ones that have heard those remember that this took
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place in Kyhoga Falls, Ohio. The Kyahoga Falls Police Department and the Porch Light Project announced a new initiative
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to solve the 1987 murder of Barbara Blatnik. On December 20th, 1987, around 10:00 a.m., the nude body of 17-year-old
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Barbara Blatnik was discovered alongside O'Neal Road, a narrow access road that leads into Blossom Music Center off
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Steel's Corner. Barbara or Barbie as her friends call her called her was from Garfield Heights and was last seen alive
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the night before. She was dropped off by a friend at the corner of Warner Road and Grand Division in Garfield Heights
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around midnight. Her injuries were consistent of being that of being strangled. Now, at the time of her
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murder, Barbie's sister, Donna, who we referenced during our episodes and spoke with, was preparing for her wedding.
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This is something I didn't know and I find interesting here because we we had the curious statement from her parents
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saying, "Hey, Barbie called home saying, "I'm going to be on my way home soon." Mhm. So to expect me to be home that
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night and then then she doesn't come home, then it's almost like it it's not like the murder
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gets in the way. It's like she just decides to have other plans rather than coming home. So, we found it we found it
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odd that she actually made that phone call and then didn't follow through. And here's one thing, though. We we brought
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up speculation as to why that may be. And remember, this was near Christmas time. Uh it was on the 20th of December
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that her body was found. We thought maybe there we knew that her mother and sister were going shopping the next day.
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So, we speculated maybe Barbie wanted to make sure she wasn't going to miss out on something whether she chose to come
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home that night or not or be out later than planned. But called to tell mom, "Hey, I'll be home tonight." And and
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almost in a way of suggesting, "Hey, our plans for tomorrow aren't changing. I plan on being and doing whatever we're
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doing tomorrow." So, we know her mom and sister were going shopping the next day
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and actually unfortunately her father found out that that Barbie was killed while they were out on that shopping
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trip and when they came home they found out. But now this information is just in
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this little press release is interesting because says Donna was preparing for her
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wedding. Barbie would have been her maid of honor. So, I mean, that even adds to
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the level of sadness here. But, right, you you wonder were they out shopping for the wedding? Something that would
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have been equally important to to Barbie. Mhm. Now, Donna describes Barbie as a beautiful young woman and a bit of
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a free spirit. Quote, "She loved music," says Donna. Uh, AC/DC Led Zeppelin. She
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once hitchhiked from Garfield Heights to Richfield to see Angus Young. She managed to work her way up to the front
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row. And Donna goes on to say that Barbie is one of those people who could walk into a room and connect with
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everyone. Now, this is this is okay. So, prior to this press release, the Kyhoga Folks Police Department asked
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the Bureau of Criminal Investigation to conduct additional tests on DNA found under Barbie's fingernails to generate a
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more complete genetic profile of the suspect. Now, according to Chief Jack Davis, quote, "As a department, we have
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continuously looked at ways to bring justice to Barbara Blatnik and her family. Hopefully this partnership with
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the Porch Light Project will bring us one step closer to accomplishing that goal. So what's the Porch Light Project?
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Okay, so a very uh the Porch Light Project is a local nonprofit dedicated to funding new investigations
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of cold cases that take place in Northern Ohio. And it's a group that I've been involved with. And in fact,
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this is the first the very first case that the project or porch light project has assisted with. Now, um we did some
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round and round about what case to cover, but this was the one that we ended up uh going to as as of course
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being a nonprofit, we only have so much funds to work with and will probably they wanted me to be involved, but they
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were afraid that it would generate too much money. Well, that's what I heard. that that's usually not the goal with a
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with a fundraising campaign, but um the idea here is that we'll probably just take on one case at a time
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uh to to get proper funding and to really get uh try to make things move on on the one case. Now, reminder, you can
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check out uh project or porch light project. I always want to say project porch light. The porch light project.
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Well, maybe that would have been a better name, unfortunately. If you do have any
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information about the murder of Barbara Blatnik, you'll want to give that to the
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detectives working the case. This is detectives Durker and Hirs, Detective Hirs at the Kyhoga Falls Police
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Department, uh, Detective Bureau. Their phone number is 3309718334. So, interesting stuff here. Uh the Well,
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it's it's great though to see Yeah. how many people you think are involved in this. Um about a dozen. Yeah. But it's
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great to see people take their time and and their efforts to to further along these cases and not just, you know, like
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you're not just we, you know, it's one thing to um I can't talk right now. It's one thing to shine some light on a case,
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which we do and we try to do every week. And that's one of the things that we're
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trying to bring to the true crime community and to the society is to go, hey, here's this case that has not been
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solved yet, and can anybody help? And that that and that sometimes can do a lot. And that sometimes can generate a
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lot of leads. We found that out when we cover cases and get, you know, responses
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from detectives. thanks for covering the case. You know, we've actually been getting some leads, you know, and and
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some of these cases, they don't they don't get leads for a long time. And so when they're covered by a show and
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people start talking about it, they start getting some internet leads and maybe they don't go anywhere, but at
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least they're creates some kind of traction. But then on uh you guys are taking it a step further and saying,
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"Look, we can single out these cases and work on them one at a time." And and yes, it'll takes, you know, we might
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have to generate some money uh to get more leads or to get more of a direction, but we're willing to take the
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time out of our lives and actually do that. Yeah. In porch light project, we are paying for the independent test that
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will be conducted in this investigation as well as the forensic genealogy team that will be not only you know they're
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doing the genealogy part of the investigation. So that is where our involvement is mainly that's our the big
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part of our involvement. Now um so these additional DNA test and uh the genealogical analysis will be conducted
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by Colleen Fitzpatrick and her team of forensic genealogologists at Identifiers International. Now Identifiers
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International has had success with these types of investigations in the past. Most notably in 2018,
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they worked with uh Nevada with the Nevada Sheriff's Office, and this was from a case from 1982,
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and they were able to assist in a couple of things. One, they identified a an unknown Jane Doe in that case. And then
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later went on to identify James Richard Curry as the killer of that Jane Doe. and he is a serial killer that has been
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charged with three murders. So, Identifiers International has had some s some success in this. Uh so, I'm very
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excited that they are on board with this as well. And look, hopefully this is just the start of closing out some of
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these old cases that these law enforcement agencies may not have the the time or resources to to focus in on
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because they have new cases and other other things on their books. Yeah. and and we're going to have to get
00:24:41
some kind of a link or something set up on our website so people can check that out and then people that also want to
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maybe donate to the cause can do so. Yeah. and anything helps. Um, again, we will, uh, now the thing with this case,
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I do want to, you know, kind of temper everyone's expectations or excitement that they may
00:25:05
have for this particular case. And I don't, I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer. I'm just want everybody to be
00:25:12
realistic and understand the way that these things work. these types of investigations, it does not, you know, I
00:25:20
know that the Golden State killer got got quote unquote solved. You know, we're still waiting on a trial. Yeah.
00:25:28
Just because you've we've seen this in the news a lot. We need to understand that this is not 100%. Nothing's 100%.
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Right? We you can't just expect that because we're doing this type of research and these type of tests and
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analysis and and detective work that that her case will be solved just because you hear those magical words
00:25:50
genealogy, DNA, all that stuff. It's not 100%. And and from my understanding, the
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the the most general outcome and results that I have heard over the years is it's about a 50/50
00:26:06
shot. 50, you know, 50% of the time it works out, the other 50 it does not. So, um, one, we got to keep that in mind.
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And two, these things don't always end up being quick either. Probably the fastest that I've seen any of these move
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would be the April Tinsley case where we can go off of law enforcement statements
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and and know and understand that that whole thing was about a 4-month deal. That was about the fastest that I've
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seen any of these ever move. from what I've been told in in my general understanding on how these things work
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is it's usually more of a twomonth to two-year process. So, um quite quite a bit different.
00:26:52
Yeah. Yeah. Two month to to two-year process. I' not seen a case personally that that was resolved within two
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months, but uh April's case was about four months. So, I'm hoping that this does move along quickly, obviously. And
00:27:09
um you know, Barbie's uh um you know, we know Donna's still around and and her family still wants and needs answers. I
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also think that just you know, Northeast Ohio needs answers for a case like this
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as well. And um hopefully hopefully we get something and when there is news, we will we will let you know. Well, every
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like I said, everybody involved and everybody trying. Uh, that's a good thing and everybody should be proud of
00:27:38
themselves. So, we'll we'll get a link to that. Busy weekend as far as binging binging
00:27:46
the true crime. Mhm. Should get paid for binging. I going to start a podcast called Binging the True Crime and it's
00:27:54
just me. should get paid for all the the talking we do about some of the shows. Yeah, Mine Hunter
00:28:02
should send us a check. I guess in all fairness, John Douglas did come on the show. Yeah, that's something though. I
00:28:10
mean, there's a lot of shows he probably didn't go on. You know, I'm glad that you got paid. I didn't get paid. Oh, I
00:28:16
didn't. What do you mean didn't get paid? We We both got paid for the sponsorship that week. Well, right.
00:28:21
Right. But uh I didn't get to talk to John. So therefore, I didn't get paid. So if he wants to come on again and talk
00:28:28
to the captain, so I can get paid. That's right. You have an outstanding bill. Yeah. My bill is a lunch date with
00:28:36
John Doug. It's so funny. I still I think he would go to lunch with you, too. That's kind of the vibe I got from
00:28:43
him that he was like cuz he mentioned some um some festival or some conference thing that we we weren't invited to. We
00:28:51
didn't I didn't even know what it was to be honest when he mentioned it. He goes,
00:28:54
"Hey, are and that's why I jokingly say friend of the show John Douglas." I'm going to
00:29:01
say that forever because it sounds cool. But he, you know, after after talking with him for a while, he goes, "Hey, any
00:29:08
chance you guys are going to be at the blah blah blah?" And I said, "Uh, I I don't know why." And he said, "Uh, I'm
00:29:13
going to be there. Would love to uh sit around and chat with you guys." Yeah. Have a beer. He probably wanted to have
00:29:18
a beer. And I thought, [ __ ] me and the captain should just buy tickets and just
00:29:22
show up and go, "Yeah, we we were we were invited. We're on the panel." That's what we just say. That's that's
00:29:28
my line. Um, you know, going into bars for the last 20ome years of my life. All you have to
00:29:37
do is walk in with a guitar case. I'm with the band. Works all the time. So, true crime conventions, you just say,
00:29:43
"I'm on the panel." That's what you say. I'm on the panel. Which one? I'm an alternate. I'm an alternate. If
00:29:48
something happens this year, if Bob Ruff does not decide to quit drinking the night before, I will be the fill in.
00:29:57
Hey, listen. Bob Ruff, he quit drinking. He went to bed. He lost the drinking contest, right? That's the way it works,
00:30:08
Bob. And if you don't understand that, then you don't understand logic. So fess up that you lost. He's never going
00:30:18
to fess up. Yeah. Well, then I can't promote his show anymore because I don't want listeners to listen to somebody
00:30:24
with really bad logic. But um yeah, you just say you're on the panel. But this year at Crime Con, I tried to get in. I
00:30:31
left my badge upstairs and I was like, "Ah, I don't want to go back." Cuz I upgraded my room to try to
00:30:38
be fancy. But the room didn't get fancier. It just got higher up. So, I was like, "Oh, I don't want to go back."
00:30:46
So, I was like, "Ah, I got this. I'm just going to walk right up." Security is going to be like, "Hey, where's your
00:30:50
badge?" I'm going to be like, "Hey, I'm the captain. This is going to work." And
00:30:55
I walk up. I go, "Hey, uh, I don't have my badge, but I'm the captain. I'm supposed to be in podcast row." And the
00:31:02
guy goes, "I don't give a [ __ ] what you're captain of. You need a badge." And I was like, "Fuck." But, uh, yeah.
00:31:08
So, Mine Hunter season two, Thursday night, I stayed up pretty late and I made the mistake of checking to
00:31:19
see if it was on Netflix because it was technically Friday, right? No, you mean after midnight?
00:31:25
Yeah. So, you know, I was up watching some TV. It's past midnight. I went, "Okay, well, it's technically Friday."
00:31:31
I checked at like 12:20. It wasn't on my Netflix yet. I end up just again watching whatever
00:31:38
American Piccard or whatever it was. Checked again. It was uploaded. So now I was like, "Oh,
00:31:45
great. It's 1:30. It's an hourong show." So I I did stay up and watch the first episode. Mhm. and
00:31:55
then um and then binged the I binged everything on Friday, but I I binged a bunch of shows on Thursday as well
00:32:08
and I got so much work done while I was watching a show I was watching and because I kept on like every time like
00:32:17
uh yeah, every 15 minutes or so I like put it on pause and start doing emails and social media, whatever I had to do
00:32:24
And and so I was like I had such a productive day Thursday doing that that I thought, hey, I'll do that Friday with
00:32:32
Mine Hunter. But my thought was, you know, maybe I'll get two or three episodes more.
00:32:38
I just kept going all night. Yeah, it was very good. All night. Did you finish it? Mhm. Yeah.
00:32:46
See, I Okay, I don't feel like such a freak then. Yeah, I I finished it. I will say this
00:32:53
though. I I know I'm going to be watching it again. So, um I probably I I probably watch most of it with about
00:33:04
a 90 85% attention span. Uh or I mean, as far as paying 100% attention to each episode, I was not. Um
00:33:17
just like I said, because I know I was going to be watching it again and I had a little limited on time. So if if my
00:33:24
phone rang or if my uh you know if I needed to jump up and do something real quick, grab a beer, put some dishes
00:33:31
away, grab something to eat, I I I tended not to stop it and I just kind of let it go. All right. Right. Right. So I
00:33:38
I didn't see 100% of it. But So if you give the whole season and we're going to do a full recap, but I thought it was
00:33:45
better than season one. Okay. I see that it's different than season one. Yes. And
00:33:51
so, um, if I would say that if you're expecting really just a a a newer version with
00:33:58
different characters of season one, it is not to me it wasn't that anyway. It was to me it was much more of
00:34:07
Well, here's here's where I think what we should do is how about we talk about episode one with the warning that two
00:34:14
weeks from now we'll do like a full season recap. Yeah. Yeah. because that way there there are some people that
00:34:21
didn't weren't able to get to it, I'm sure, this this last weekend, right? And we don't want to go too far down the
00:34:26
road and this way they have a little warning. So, two weeks from now, we'll do kind of our take on the full season
00:34:33
recap. Well, yeah. And if you haven't watched season one and you know, full season two recap or haven't heard of
00:34:42
Mind Hunter at all, what are you doing with your life? Maybe you need to see a counselor. But
00:34:51
anyways, there's so many people that I'm like, "Oh," they're like, "What are you
00:34:55
doing this weekend?" I'm like, "Watching Mine Hunter. Is that show good?" Why would I devote a whole weekend to it if
00:35:01
it wasn't good? Mhm. I also had a producer friend of ours, uh, Emma, she was saying to me that, uh, the
00:35:11
interviews, I won't give anything away, but you know, just like in season one, they interview a bunch of killers.
00:35:17
season two, they're going to interview some more killers. She didn't like the interviews. And I was trying to explain
00:35:23
to her like the stuff she didn't like about the interviews. Like these are all these are all based off of actual true
00:35:29
events. Mhm. So like I'm sure they didn't just make some of the I mean I'm sure they made some of the stuff up, but
00:35:35
it's like you know you can't like Ed Keer's a talker. You know, you can't if there was a ever
00:35:44
an interview, which there was interviews in season one where the people didn't really want to talk too much about the
00:35:49
crimes. If that happens, you can't like fault the show cuz that's what happened in real life.
00:35:59
Right. Right. And and I I for me for me anyway, I wanted to stay as close to the
00:36:06
real deal as possible. Yeah. you know, you don't need if I if you want to just make something entertaining for me, I
00:36:12
can go watch Silence of the Lambs, right? You know, but this is this the whole idea of this is that it's a
00:36:20
dramatization of the real deal. And um I I hope I'm not giving too much away here, but but one thing that is learned
00:36:30
in season two is that that Holden Ford doesn't seem to enjoy the interviews as much as as what you know your friend did
00:36:40
or or um and and here's the thing too and we know this from our conversation with John Douglas. He said it in our
00:36:47
interview where where when asked, you know, what was one of the best interviews you did, he still says Ed
00:36:55
Keer and Ed Keer is one of the first that they did, right? And it's just because like you were pointing out that
00:37:02
each one of these killers, each one of these individuals are different. They're not a carbon copy of the last one that
00:37:09
you spoke to. So they're not all going going to be the same. They're not all going to be great. They're not all going
00:37:15
to be bad. And Ed Keer was just he's somebody with an extremely high IQ that was a wannabe police officer or law
00:37:24
enforcement officer. So So first off, you know, you saw it in season one with um shoot, I can't think of the guy from
00:37:32
from Illinois that uh killed all the nurses. You saw immediately with him, he had a strong distaste and and did not
00:37:42
like police, right? And so immediately he's standoffish and he's he's confrontational with Holden and Bill
00:37:51
Tench and where you saw the complete opposite from Ed Keer. Ed Keer Ed Keer respected uh law enforcement and and
00:38:02
wanted to be one. And you see just in the body language where Ed Keer leans back in his chair and he and he he folds
00:38:09
his legs and and he and he's speaking with his arms out and open and and just ready to tell them whatever they want
00:38:17
whatever they want to hear because he's happy to be one to be a part of the process and two to be a part of the
00:38:23
conversations that they're having. Well, and not to go into it too deep, I I think one one of the things that you
00:38:29
hear in Ed's speaking of himself is this self-reflection on what happened, why it
00:38:36
happened. I think he actually was diving into that himself. Uh, you see this with
00:38:44
Ed Keer, you also see this um I think with Dmer. Um, but some of these guys, they're just
00:38:52
like, I'm a killer. That's what I am. There's no rhyme or reason and they don't care if there is a rhyme or reason
00:39:00
where I think somebody like Keer with a little bit higher intelligence he's going well why did this happen were
00:39:07
there triggers that made me this way was I born this way and he was questioning these things too so I think one interest
00:39:16
you know being interested in psychology and then being interested in law enforcement and then what's the highest
00:39:22
level of law enforcement or crime I'm FBI and they want to talk to me and they want to dissect my thoughts and my
00:39:31
thoughts could possibly help them. Um, and and what they're talking about is not just law enforcement, but also the
00:39:39
fascination of psychology. So, I think it the reason why he's going to be the best interview ever is because of his
00:39:46
fascination with those two the those two aspects like a perfect storm. One thing that's
00:39:53
quite different about Keer as well is I mean he had already been institutionalized for homicide before he
00:40:02
went on to commit all these other other murders, right? and to to a point where he was being psychoanalyzed by by that
00:40:11
institution while he was there. And he would because he was obeyed the rules and was nice enough to the staff and
00:40:20
intelligent, they would ask him to do little task and chores for them. And one of those was transporting files and
00:40:27
carrying files and delivering them. and he would take the time to to glance them
00:40:33
over, to read through them along the way. He was learning a lot when he was institutionalized for the murder of his
00:40:41
grandparents. Yeah. And I think you know a lot of these killers and one thing that's so fascinating is some of them
00:40:48
who who hate police who hate law enforcement who hate the sentence and do not agree with where they are housed or
00:40:55
or the sentence that they received. Some of them will will talk in these situations just because they want to
00:41:02
know and understand why am I who I am? How did I turn out to be this way? What made me this way? Mhm. Keer is different
00:41:11
in a situation where he's telling them who he is and he's telling them almost why he did what he did because he's
00:41:18
already he's kind of self diagnosed right along that point. But I will say uh Richard Spec was the was the killer
00:41:26
from Illinois. Um you know uh I don't want to go into this too much but um we keep saying that. That's cuz we don't
00:41:33
want the episodes to be four hours long. Richard [ __ ] All right. I won't go into this at all
00:41:39
because I I feel uncomfortable talking about it. Look look him up uh not so much for his crimes. Look up his later
00:41:47
prison life. Mhm. It's a much different version than the uh than what you see in
00:41:54
season 1. And and mind you that is Richard Spec back then and exactly how he was back then in the 70s. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:01
Look up look up who who he uh became along the way in his later life. It will surprise you. Um, or maybe it will. But
00:42:11
regarding uh uh back to Ed Keer, he is in episode one. Yes. Which was which was great. And um you know, they kind of
00:42:21
somewhat pick up where they left off with with uh Holden having a panic attack based off of that weird
00:42:30
uh interaction of him going to visit Ed Keer, which turns out to be we figure out in episode one that he wasn't Holden
00:42:39
Ford wasn't supposed to be there, right? That this was something he kind of went
00:42:42
off and did on his own. Yeah. Well, and you also kind of see, and I don't want to this not giving
00:42:50
anything away, uh, you kind of see with Holden, um, just the lack of any kind of
00:42:56
life outside of of crime. It's, you know, where last season he had this love interest and there was a lot of sex,
00:43:05
dirty sex. Now, this I don't think he um there's no love interest with Holden this this
00:43:14
season. Well, and you see this immediately in episode one and you saw it toward the end of season one. Yeah.
00:43:23
This thing is start and you know anybody that's read John Douglas knows this. This thing his work
00:43:33
starts to take a hold on him. Yeah. Where in season one, remember he wasn't in this BSU, this behavioral science
00:43:40
unit the entire time. He would start off as uh hostage hostage negotiations. Um and also he was in this is one thing
00:43:49
that they didn't go into in season 1, which I wish they would have. It would have it would have played better to the
00:43:56
the nerds, the true crime nerds, right? Um it might not have worked out so well for an entertainment standpoint, and I
00:44:05
think that's why they probably avoided it. But it's weird because it fits in with with the behavioral science unit
00:44:13
with the whole idea of it where where you are looking at a crime and trying to understand why
00:44:21
why the the the perpetrator of the crime did what he did during the course of that crime.
00:44:28
Well, to to just the opposite point of that was a he was involved in what was called at one time called the
00:44:35
crimesrevention unit. So they would very similarly look at things that would typically take place
00:44:44
in in the commission of a crime. It didn't have to be murder. And and actually in fact in his involvement it
00:44:50
wasn't murder. It was things like bank robberies, um stolen vehicles, things of that nature.
00:44:57
So what they would do in those situations is they would teach they were going around and teaching
00:45:06
uh banks how to respond and how to behave during the course of a bank robbery. So like they found that a large
00:45:16
percentage of the time a bank robbery that occurred during the business hours of a bank that more often than not a
00:45:25
note was handed a note was passed to the teller. Yeah. And the thing is they were shocked when they
00:45:33
learned that after they did all these studies because they would get to a crime scene and there would be no note.
00:45:40
So when they found out and figured out that the majority of the time if a if a robbery is committed during the business
00:45:47
hours there is a note that is passed they started teaching the tellers and teaching the bank managers don't give
00:45:54
the note back to the robber when you give them the money keep the note only give it back to him if he asked for it
00:46:02
because we could use that note to then try to find out who he is. you know, you can you could knock it off the table or
00:46:09
you could just not do anything with it. Just give them the money and only give them the note when they ask for it. And
00:46:17
so you can see the progression, the way that it would translate into something that we they later learn about
00:46:25
stranger on stranger crimes and serial killers. you can see how they start to apply those old thoughts and that
00:46:33
methodology to what they're doing now. And um so that that was interesting to me to see that they carried that a step
00:46:42
further in episode one where like you said he doesn't seem to have much of a life outside of his work. his work is
00:46:50
taking a hold as I believe it's as the work itself becomes one more intriguing and interesting to him but it's also
00:47:01
it's almost like this is kind of what he was maybe meant to do in a way and so I
00:47:09
think that that that's an interesting aspect of episode one yeah I I wish I could speak just to episode one I it's
00:47:17
tough to do because they all start blurring together. I I remember feeling after the first episode that it wasn't
00:47:24
like a It wasn't the thrill ride you were looking for. Yeah. But but the opening
00:47:32
scene was because Oh, that's right. The opening scene of season one, just cut off the show if you haven't
00:47:41
seen it. Um, this is literally the only like the first two minutes of the episode, right, of season one, a guy
00:47:50
shoots himself in the head. Okay, so that's what happens. And it's like, wow. I remember when when locked and loaded
00:47:56
when I first watched it. I'm not a gory type person, so that instantly it made me think this might not be my cup of
00:48:04
tea. And I was a little bummed out. within an episode or so, you know, within a couple episode, I realize
00:48:11
that's not that's not their play here. Um, you know, that it's going to be more of a deep dive into psychology and the
00:48:19
psyche of these these individuals, and that's the interesting stuff and which I was happy with. this season. I kind of
00:48:29
remember when I started the episode thinking because the trailer has a scene where there's just a door shaking
00:48:38
just with a door knob and I remember thinking I wonder what that is and so there's a scene that plays out and it's
00:48:46
funny that me and you talked about I don't want to give that away. Okay. I I just don't want to give it away. I know
00:48:52
we're supposed to be talking about season or episode one but it's all good. I don't want to give that away because
00:48:57
if somebody's like, "Oh, it's cool. It's cool. I'll listen." Somebody's right now
00:49:01
like thinking about turning it off. Like, I don't want them to ruin it. I'm not going to ruin this for you because
00:49:06
it's such a I think the opening scene is great because one, it's it's shocking. It's almost as shocking as like the
00:49:13
season one, how it opens up. Same type of thing. You kind of expect one thing. It happens differently. Um, I was
00:49:22
actually expecting something else, but when it happened, I I kind of laughed a little bit because I thought, "Oh, we've
00:49:28
been talking about this for a while." Um, off mic or on mic or both? I think a little bit of both. A little bit of
00:49:35
both. And so, just the fact that it that it, you know, played out, this season was really strange for me
00:49:42
because we've been waiting for season two for a while, right? Has it been two Has it
00:49:50
been It's been a full year and a half, I would say. I don't know offhand without
00:49:54
looking it up if it's been two years, but we covered so many of these cases. Um,
00:50:00
and so many of these individuals and then the ones that we haven't I've looked up, you know, by myself or, you
00:50:07
know, and so they're not bringing up anybody that I don't know. You know what I mean? It's not like I
00:50:16
think the first season they brought up a couple people and I went I'm not really
00:50:20
for sure who that is and then you know you look them up and and get to know them but this season was like yeah I
00:50:26
know all these guys and I know their crimes and I actually know a lot of this story. Mhm. Um
00:50:35
which made the you know some of this stuff way more interesting but it was it was kind of strange this this season.
00:50:42
And it kind of felt like the show is my life. Does that make any sense? Mhm. Like cuz
00:50:51
we cover cases every week and these guys deal with a lot of cases, a lot of killers and and what they have to think
00:50:57
about and and all that stuff and and it's almost like um I I know that I'm not these characters. I know this is not
00:51:04
my life playing out in front of me, but it's like so much of what's happening has been a part of our daily life
00:51:11
because we put out so much content uh that like it was kind of strange. Well, and I think a lot of that though too
00:51:19
comes from one case selection on our end. And you and I did have a a conversation that was, hey, not only
00:51:26
should we cover some of the the people referenced in season 1, but um uh you know, we mentioned talking about people
00:51:36
that may be in season 2, season 3, four, five, and so on. I'm hoping that they're
00:51:41
already filming season 3, which I don't know that to be true or false. I'm just I'm just guessing. And and I here was
00:51:50
kind of the shocker for me was when when the whole idea of Mind Hunter coming out, they said immediately that they
00:52:00
they signed it for two years, for two seasons, right? But then there was such a long stretch between season one and
00:52:06
season two. And look, I didn't want to tear through the episodes that quickly of season 2. It's just, as you said, I
00:52:15
feel like I've been waiting so long for it that it was hard not to do. And uh to
00:52:20
really really hone in on everything that that's covered, I I prefer to just do like a couple of episodes a night rather
00:52:29
than than marathon watching the whole thing uh in just a couple of nights. But um yeah, so it's it was season 2 I
00:52:38
thought was absolutely fantastic and fascinating and we'll we will go through it in in two weeks. Well, yeah. And just
00:52:48
a a side note, one of the things you're going to see in these, I think before they found actors that looked similar to
00:52:57
uh the killers and and did maybe little bit a couple things to make them look more like the killers. Um
00:53:07
go ahead. Go ahead. I got something to add to this as far as killers looks. But uh but this season they they took these
00:53:14
individuals and and what I was hearing was that some some of them spent six, seven hours a day in uh getting makeup
00:53:22
and getting prosthetics and getting little things uh to make them even look more like the individuals in
00:53:30
like the Manson interview and like the Burkowitz interview like it's impressive on how much
00:53:40
They look like the killer, especially Burkowitz. Well, I think Manson, too. I mean, now
00:53:49
now this is the same character. He plays Manson also in Once Upon a uh time in Hollywood. Mhm. He's the same actor that
00:53:58
And maybe I think he might have played Manson in some other thing because he looks a lot like Manson. No, I think it
00:54:05
was just that. Was it just the one? Yeah, I just couldn't think. We talked about that before. I couldn't think of
00:54:10
the name of of what it was cuz I had not seen it. Um, and and but what's interesting is that you know
00:54:18
what and once upon a time in Hollywood, I don't think they did any prosthetics and then you know so it's almost like
00:54:24
well we got the better Manson because we took the time to actually fix a couple of his features. Um, and and some he
00:54:32
looked a lot like um Charles Manson to me. So, as far we're while we're talking about uh the actors and the way that
00:54:41
they look, um Blue Bunny, it they they sell ice cream that you can get like Blue Bunny uh sundaes that you
00:54:51
put in your freezer. I believe the I'm not certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that the guy that plays BTK is also the
00:54:59
guy in the Blue Bunny ice cream commercial. H that'd be well it's funny because the the engineer that I worked
00:55:07
with for years uh uh I won't give his name but uh he looks very very similar to the BTK character in Mind Hunter.
00:55:20
Yeah. in traffic the other day. I saw um a guy in another car that actually looked more like Dennis Raider of,
00:55:29
you know, shortly after he was apprehended. Mhm. In 2004, 2005, whatever. So, he looked more like the
00:55:36
Dennis Rder of Behind Bars 2005 to me. But I thought I saw I saw like and it was one of those things that I was I was
00:55:46
listening to something. And I look over and I just very quickly nonchalantly went, "That guy looks just like Dennis
00:55:52
Raid or BTK." And I turned back and then I was focused in on what I was listening
00:55:54
to. And I was like, then a few minutes later I was like, I should have a stronger reaction to that maybe. And and
00:56:01
not only that, this guy should probably shave his his mustache just like the actor should shave his mustache before
00:56:08
doing the the ice cream commercial. He didn't shave it. That's what's so that's what's so funny about it to me. It looks
00:56:17
identical to the guy that plays B. It's not even like a like, oh, we had to do some makeup or really like, you know
00:56:24
what I mean? Like the guy could have just had no mustache for the for the Blue Bunny commercial, but at the same
00:56:30
time, maybe he was also in the process of of filming, right? Right. He couldn't shave it. He couldn't shave it, right?
00:56:38
He's like, I'm obligated to have this mustache cuz that's a that's a prominent mustache. That's not like a, oh, I grew
00:56:44
this over a week, you know what I mean? It's got uh it it's got some length to it. I see. Here's what I wonder. I
00:56:51
wonder if it took so long because of Jonathan uh Gruff, I think that's how you say his
00:56:57
name. Um, who is he? Fill me in. He's the He's Holden, right? Oh, okay. And the reason
00:57:06
why I I I just learned this and I'm sure like there's like Glee fans out there and musical fans. He's heavily into
00:57:14
Broadway and he was um big into Hamilton. He was played uh playing in Hamilton and so I think possibly the
00:57:24
reason why it took so long was Mine Hunter came out and he was already in these other projects
00:57:33
if that makes any sense. Mhm. And so I don't know if they then told him, "Hey, back off some of these projects so we
00:57:39
can get get some more work done." I'm I'm guessing they'll come out faster than every two years now. Uh and I'm
00:57:49
sure like Netflix why they're doing their new contract. Um they'll they'll make that stuff happen, but I think
00:57:56
that's why there was a delay. What what's this company called again? this Sunday company, Blue Bunny, and the uh
00:58:05
the Sundays that they sell look amazing. Now, mind you, it's the commercial. That's all I've ever seen.
00:58:13
And I got the coughs. Okay. Blue a bunny uh gets a brand update. Urgent. Let me watch this. It's a 30
00:58:22
second clip. Let me watch this. Blue bunny. Ah, it does look like him. Mhm. He's with some I'll tell you if it's him
00:58:32
though. I think it's him. Yeah. I wouldn't have brought it up if I didn't think that people would at least
00:58:44
agree they look like him. There's no denying they look the same. What what I can't say for certain is if in fact it
00:58:52
is the same person. Okay, hold on. Let me do Let's just do some little nerds. You wanted ice cream,
00:58:59
but you didn't want to put any pants on. Yeah. And now, like a month from now, my
00:59:05
whole freezer is going to be Blue Bunny sundaes. It's so I don't have to put any
00:59:11
pants on like the guy in the commercial. Yeah, I'm not putting any pants. That's
00:59:14
a good idea. I could end up with a Sunday, but no pants. Let's let me go back to the the cast real quick and
00:59:21
let's see if I can I want to get to the bottom of this is a crime that we don't know. Okay. Where
00:59:28
I'm going to throw this out there just because I thought it was interesting. Um Greg Smith is his name on the show. He's
00:59:35
the guy that they keep kicking out of the meetings. Mhm. Um of the BSI. You know how there's there's uh Bill,
00:59:43
there's um right, there's Holden, there's he's the he's the fourth member of there's Wendy. And they keep on
00:59:50
going, "Oh, we have a meeting. Greg, you can leave." Right. I think there's going to be more
00:59:56
to that story cuz and this is not giving anything away. I thought this was like a
01:00:01
bigger thing and everybody told me like it's not a big thing. But if you notice throughout season two, just kind of pay
01:00:09
attention to this. Throughout season two, he goes from thinking he [ __ ] the bed to there's a couple times where he
01:00:16
corrects people because he actually knows the information. And I wonder if that's going to play I again I don't
01:00:23
know the whole meaning Yeah. Greg Smith corrects people. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that I'm, you know, maybe it
01:00:30
plays uh into the BSI story of if you have guys like Holden and Bill going out and focusing
01:00:40
their attention on um you know, because this it's a new science, right? It's a new science of this criminal psychology.
01:00:51
But if you're going out and working on the on the Atlanta child murders or whatever case you're working on, you're
01:00:58
not focusing on the science. And so I wonder if that's going to play into the story later where somebody like
01:01:05
Greg is going to actually go, "Well, I actually know more than these guys because this is what I'm working on
01:01:10
every day." Um, well, okay. So, I I don't know this to be true. Um, and I don't know that we ever will.
01:01:21
Um, I think Greg Smith will is is the um is the movie version of Roy Hazelwood. That's what I'm starting to
01:01:33
suspect. So, Roy Hazelwood was a member of that team and an early member of the team. He went on to write a few books as
01:01:41
well and his expertise ended up being more on the um the sexual predator u end of of that
01:01:49
kind of thing. But there were other there were several other people that got involved fairly early that I imagine
01:01:56
once we get to season 3 we're going to see more uh people actually added to that unit. And so I don't know if the
01:02:05
Roy Hazelwood character will then appear or if that is in fact meant to be Roy Hazelwood. He Hazelwood was involved
01:02:14
early enough that I think that it may have just been a a very few people in that unit when he
01:02:21
was added to the unit. So that's that's my suspicion where so so his expertise ends up being like a sexual predator
01:02:28
type uh to to to these crimes. Holden, his expertise, his seems to be more the John Douglas um profile, right? A and
01:02:40
adding the thing that that's getting that doesn't stand out, I think, for a lot of people because people focus on
01:02:46
the interviews and the profiling so much. One thing that I want to point out is one of Douglas's
01:02:53
one of his areas of expertise in my opinion is he offers strategies for detection
01:03:02
which we don't we don't see our f we don't see us focusing on that as much which which is actually really
01:03:10
interesting to me. And then wrestler who who is Bill Tench. Um he he comes from a
01:03:19
military background before he got into the FBI which is interesting because you see that along the way in both seasons
01:03:26
where he he is he tends to be a little more focused, a little more straightforward and a little more
01:03:34
especially season one. He's more by the book than than Holden Ford who Holden's the new kid on the block. intent is kind
01:03:41
of the seasoned veteran who who like I said military background. Okay. So, uh Sunny
01:03:49
Valley, he's got like an Italian name, right? A valinti Cinti. He's got a cool last name.
01:03:56
Valinti. We just don't know how to say it. Sunny Valinti Cinti. I think that's how you say it. Anyways,
01:04:03
the funny thing about this this uh guy is that's his look. His look is a stash. Not beard, just stash and uh glasses.
01:04:16
Not always glasses, but like that's his look. Like there's a bunch of pictures of him
01:04:24
just rocking that look. And he just so happens to be the BTK killer. Uh and you you are correct. Boom. He is awesome.
01:04:32
He's the blue bunny guy. He is. How do you say that name? Val Valenti. Uh, Valley Centi. Valley. That's not right.
01:04:44
Val, it's definitely valenti. And you know what? Here's the thing. It probably has some cool like way to say it. Yeah.
01:04:51
Yeah. There's probably like a cool suave way of saying it that we're not we're not applying those techniques there
01:04:58
because it looks real cool on paper. I'll give you that. And I've always liked the name Sunny. Sunny. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:04
It's a good name. Wow. But he appears very cleancut in some of these pictures. And then also like not Oh, man. You
01:05:12
wonder if the balding is is created by No, that's the Mine Hunter people. I think it's real. You think it's real
01:05:20
that he's really balding because he's in the in the commercial. It's that way. But in the commercial, I don't remember
01:05:26
seeing like the the the bald spot on the crown of the head. I just watched it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Bald balding spot
01:05:33
on the crown of the head. anybody kind of p po p po p po p po p po p po p po p po p po p po pofos it up in the front
01:05:37
but uh do you think that they were in the middle of I think they were in the middle of filming Mine Hunter and he's
01:05:42
like uh can we hurry up and get this over with after lunch I got to go do this ice cream thing
01:05:50
can can we can we uh they might have done all of Sunny's scenes in and in in one day right but for look I've said it
01:05:58
from the beginning if they push it out time timewise Right. Timewise, you can push it out to season five. If there's
01:06:07
going to be five seasons, that's what I've read. You can push it out to season five if he is just the subplot for the
01:06:14
first four seasons. It is genius television best ever done it. Period. Goat, right? But if they screw that up,
01:06:25
it's not. Now, if you look look up Sunny, it just makes me wonder what they'll do with season five if you do in
01:06:31
fact do that. I agree with you. I think that's the best way to play it. Yes. But
01:06:37
again, they weren't heavily involved in the investigation in the B in specifically the BTK investigation.
01:06:45
They're going to pop in and out from it at times. Right. So, that's where I'm interested to see how they'll portray
01:06:53
that on the show. if they will just lie and if they portray real life or if they
01:06:59
portray that they were the ones that that cracked it that solved the case. And so if they if they portray real real
01:07:06
life then I wonder I I wonder what does that look like? Um maybe that's the crowning moment. Maybe
01:07:17
that's the the the end of days moment is the final sitdown of John Douglas and Dennis Rder once
01:07:28
he's behind bars for that lengthy interview which we know happened in real life. H yeah, that would be Wow. That's
01:07:35
what I'm saying. And if they do it correctly, it could be. And then they eat ice cream together after the long
01:07:42
without their pants on with they take off their pants and he's just got a whole he's got a whole freezer full of
01:07:48
these sundaes. But I want everybody to look this up. Sunny. Just spell the last name. V A L I. Yep.
01:07:57
C E N T I. But if you Valenti. Valenti. That's how I would go. Look, this guy's amazing actor. Sunny Valentini. This guy
01:08:06
is amazing actor cuz one super creepy when he's playing BTK when he's in the ice cream commercial. I
01:08:16
want to eat some [ __ ] ice cream. So you tell me who could do a better job of that. Nobody. Can't be done. Somebody
01:08:22
could creep me the [ __ ] out. But then also we'll get into that some more in two
01:08:31
weeks because there's a lot more to that. That'll be a twohour special. Uh, but look it up because there is a
01:08:37
picture that somebody posted. It is Dennis Raider on the left and he's in like his pajamas. It looks like it's
01:08:46
Christmas time and he's younger. He's about the same age cuz a lot of This is the one where he's standing outside. No,
01:08:52
no, no, no. There's uh he's he's by his daughter. He's like bending down. And he
01:08:58
has like his, you know, looks like it's Christmas Day in the family room with around the tree. Yeah. And he's like
01:09:04
bending over. But the the point of the picture is everybody's seen Dennis Raider, but most of the time you're
01:09:11
seeing Dennis Raider once he was caught. You don't see a lot of old pictures of him, right? And what they're showing is
01:09:18
look how close this guy looks to him. You know, he looks like he could be a relative.
01:09:25
You know what's so fascinating? And I they would they'd have to do it correctly.
01:09:34
But what's so fascinating what's so fascinating about this series to me is you take like the performance
01:09:43
of Manson and you could take that character, the actor that played him so brilliantly, and do some kind of a our
01:09:53
spin-off. Same way with like Ed Keer. Such amazing performance. You could almost do an hour
01:09:59
spin-off of Jess Keer. This performance that we're seeing from Sunny playing Dennis Rider is so brilliant. It could
01:10:08
be a a four-part series. You see what I mean? Like there's so much that they could do with this.
01:10:15
They're doing it so well. Anyways, we should just wrap it up because it's been uh about a million minutes. And so
01:10:22
anyways, if you if you you should get the point that we're excited about it and we want you to be excited about it,
01:10:30
too. We want you to watch it, have a good time, eat some ice cream. [Music] [Music]
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