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2016 Keith papini says he got up early that day and at 4 30 a.m his cell phone rang now this call comes in and he says
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it's a number he did not recognize so he didn't answer his phone it's an unknown
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caller yeah then the home phone is ringing to which he does answer the home phone and he
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told 2020 that it was his wife screaming in the background yelling his name and a
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police officer to which he could hear the officer telling the wife that she needed to be calm she needed to calm
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down 22 days after she vanished Sherry papini turned up 150 miles away from her home
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she was found in Yolo County around 4 a.m on the side of an entrance ramp to the northbound I-5 Highway this is near
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County Road 17. a female motorist Allison Sutton called police upon seeing a frantic woman roadside waving what she
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believed to be a shirt now Allison says she didn't stop because she wasn't certain that this whole situation was
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safe for her to stop right she thought it was just maybe a crazy person on the side of the road a second driver this
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was a truck driver he he did stop and he called police now Sherry papini was found she was clothed in light gray
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sweatpants in a dark gray sweatshirt I point out what she was found in because this is not
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what she was wearing when she went missing there was also a chain wrapped around
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her waist and her left wrist was Tethered to the chain with a zip tie according to the local papers
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specifically the Sacramento Bee and the reading Record Searchlight Sherry also had hose clamps around her ankles
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to which sergeant Brian Jackson said quote appeared to have acted as pain compliance restraints
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it's very important to understand that nearly everything we know about Sherry's ordeal and her release we know from her
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husband Keith Sherry has never made a public statement she has never well she's not even appeared in public at all
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about this and the Sheriff's Office the Shasta County Sheriff's Office they've only really addressed any of
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these circumstances regarding Sherry's ordeal possibly because they feel that they've
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been forced to because of Keith's public statements we'll present what he says what key says and then we'll address
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what if anything we actually know to be true so I'm going to paraphrase some of this
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stuff uh that follows but this is what Keith told 2020 about Sherry's release he says that she was bound that she had
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a chain around her waist she had a bag over her head he says he can't remember if it was her right or her left arm that
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was chained to the chain but one of her arms was chained to the chain and then the other hand was
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chained to something inside the vehicle and to be clear the interviewer wants to
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clarify and says this is to make sure that she didn't jump out of the vehicle to which he says yes now he says at some
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point they cut something to free her restraint that was holding her to the vehicle
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then they pushed her out and they drove away Sherry had one hand free and took the
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bag off of her head and at this point she has no idea where she is she runs to a house to which she doesn't say
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she says to him that it didn't look to be like a good idea so she then ran to another building but couldn't get inside
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the building and that's when she chose to run to the freeway and how far away she found from her actual home 150 miles
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so quite a distance yeah and he goes on to tell 2020 that she's you know she's screaming She's coughing
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um he says that she's coughing up blood and screaming trying to get people to stop
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you know get a vehicle to stop so they can help her but she tells him that she thinks that because
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of the chains the chain wrapped around her that maybe people thought she escaped
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from a prison or or escape from somewhere that you know that she was a bad person and maybe that's why they
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wouldn't stop so she purposely tried to hide the chain to try to get somebody to
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stop and eventually we know that somebody did stop well I guess she was severely beaten as well I mean she had a
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broken nose and she had bumps that seem like all over her face so that this could be an
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you know I I don't know if there was any dried blood or what the bruising situation would be but that that could
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startle somebody the 2020 broadcast they played a radio transmission that that summoned the ambulance to the scene
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where Sherry was found you can hear like radio chatter but what what I heard in there says attention Station 8 unknown
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medical problem it's going to be north on I-5 female needs medical attention she is heavily battered it's going to be
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some sort of an assault Now Keith after the phone call he rushes to the Woodland Memorial Hospital this to see
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his wife Sherry he says when he got to Sherry's room he was horrified he told Good Morning
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America quote nothing could have prepared me for what I was about to see upon my arrival at the hospital nor the
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details of the true hell I was about to hear my first sight of my wife in a hospital bed her face covered in bruises
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ranging from yellow to Black because of repeated beatings the bridge of her nose
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broken her now emaciated body of 87 pounds was covered in multi-colored bruises severe
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burns red rashes and chain markings her signature long blonde hair had been chopped off she had been branded and I
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could feel the rise of her scabs under my fingers end quote the Shasta County Sheriff's Office
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well their information has been much less detailed than that of her husband and authorities actually expressed
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frustration that Keith revealed so much information to the media right because this is ongoing investigation so he says
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that her injuries the way he describes it this is pretty severe stuff right yeah the the thing that would kind of go
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against that is disregarding the severity of her injuries Sherry papini was released from
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the hospital and went to a hotel with her husband that same day right and this according to the sheriff she
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was treated for her injuries and released just as someone would be if they had sprained an ankle that's
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what the sheriff said yeah but the sheriff did say that they were were ecstatic to report that Sherry did she
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was located and had been reunited with her family right but to be on the side of Keith and his wife
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look at some of these brutal UFC fights people go five rounds 25 minutes of punching each other in the face and
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kicking each other in The Shins and these guys barely can walk out of the Octagon their faces look to form they
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look awful during the press conferences they go get checked out by the doctor and then they're they're sent away the
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investigators from the major crimes unit did speak with Sherry this was briefly in the hospital and then they did
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question her at length five days later after she recovered from these injuries now according to sheriff paseco Sherry
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was quote cooperative and courageous in the intense and traumatic interviews with investigators he said Sherry
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reported the following she said she was abducted by two Hispanic women in a dark colored SUV
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with large rear windows she had no other description of the vehicle and she could
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not identify it on any video surveillance footage taken in the area around the time of her abduction note
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that the Sheriff's Office never came out and said that Sherry was definitely abducted while on her run we know that
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to be believed to be the case by her family beforehand all right so what else have we learned Sherry only gives the
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officers a let's say vague description of her abductors right and she went on to tell
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police that she avoided looking at them so they would not beat her and that her head was covered for some of the time
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that she was held captive and we don't know how dark it was in this place or anything yeah yeah
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they're again we have vague descriptions of everything because we're hearing this
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this is what Sherry tells the police and this is what they have chose to release
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to the public she says that one of the women no she says that she was abducted by two
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women one of the women had a long curly hair thin eyebrows and pierced ears she had a thick accent and she appeared to
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be between 20 and 30 years old about five foot five inches tall suspect number two
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according to Sherry was older maybe 40 to 50 years of age about five foot seven and had straight black hair with some
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gray she had thick eyebrows and pierced ears both were armed with handguns she said that the kidnappers drove for
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about two and a half hours non-stop on the first day the kidnappers spoke Spanish most of the time the female
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captors were the only two people with whom Sherry had contact with for the duration of her captivity
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besenko confirmed that she was bound with the restraints when she was found and Jackson the other officer said that
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Sherry had been branded on her right shoulder after and appeared battered and bruised now they they actually think
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this branding was something like it actually said something yeah the description I read was that the brand
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appeared to be a message rather than a symbol but whatever it is it's unclear what it what it's intended to be like
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well I think they know what it is or at least the the the rumors that I heard is
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they know what the message is they're just not releasing that to the public okay I I had saw that it was
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illegible they couldn't make anything out of it but I don't know that to be true so I don't want to I don't want to
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steer anybody the wrong way either way I mean that's pretty creepy that somebody
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would brand you and not just brand you with some symbol but some type of message Sherry told investigators that
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she was not sexually assaulted uh we do have investigators that that did confirm that Sherry's hair was
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shoulder length when she was found now I do want to point out that a lot of people suspect that Sherry's exceedingly
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long hair was actually extensions that were may have just been removed the the thing here to give the best description
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to those out there listening is that when she was found her hair was not what I would call short it was just shorter
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it was it was shorter length at the time now Sherry told detectives that just before she was released she could hear
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her captors having an argument followed by a gunshot she said the younger of her
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abductors then took her from the room where she was being held captive drove her down a Winding Road and dropped her
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off near Interstate 5. a B on the lookout immediately went out for a dark colored SUV with two latino women but
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everyone acknowledged that in California that description well it didn't go very
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far on the day after Sherry was found her sister held a press conference and she was
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reading a statement that was prepared by Sherry and Keith the gist of it really is just giving thanks to all the
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people that helped search for her and just being thankful that she was returned and allowed to go home in time
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for Thanksgiving now following this statement Sheila agreed to answer some questions
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but where this whole thing gets tricky again Sheila seems to have very little information she didn't know whether
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Sherry had seen her kids yet this is the day after she was found she didn't know
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whether a ransom was paid she didn't seem to have any interest in discussing who might have done this to
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her sister she didn't even have an answer to a reporter's question as to whether Sherry was employed or not at
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the time of the abduction really she just kept repeating that the two had a joyous reunion
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it it for anybody that saw this well for me anyway Captain it was just kind of a
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strange press conference and it probably to keep things cleaner it might have been a whole lot better if if she would
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have just not opened it up to questions at all right gave the statement and walked away right because uh her not
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having having the answers to some very simple questions it really didn't help the public opinion now keep in mind at
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this time even when she was missing there were people out there that were suspicious of
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this quote-unquote abduction that wasn't a voluntary situation right was uh a cry for help was this was it an
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attention yeah and then when she's found and claims to have been released those people that were suspicious before
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they're even more suspicious now Bonnie baloney right yeah because of very sparse details provided the tide of
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public opinion began to shift Sheriff besenko said his Department continued to follow investigative leads
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and warned people that quote until we identify the suspect the public should remain cautious end quote but
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contradictorally also said that quote details of this investigation point to this being an isolated incident end
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quote yeah that's that's a weird statement yeah he said that police still did not know the
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motive for the abduction or whether Sherry was a specific Target or this was a random abduction he also said that
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because the case was still active some sensitive details were being withheld and he expressed concern that some of
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the information provided by Keith could affect the Integrity of the investigation I
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I really want to know those sensitive sensitive details yeah so what I'm getting at though is it can't be
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it can't be both right if you're saying that this is an isolated incident but the public should remain cautious
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it's just it's very confusing these statements coming out from the sheriff's department now you don't know when you
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when you review this you look at at it and you wonder okay is this Sheriff's Department just really in need
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of a PR person or or are they confused themselves about the whole investigation about about what
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could have took place well it kind of stinks Tom bastinko well the the sheriff said
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despite over 600 tips quote none of the received tips have been able to generate
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a viable lead or information as to who is responsible for Sherry's abduction sure enough due to lack of information
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rumors and gossip really took over in this case people began to theorize that perhaps there was more to this story the
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theory that that Sherry and perhaps Keith together fabricated the whole thing this really started to gain some
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traction and an article ran in the Huffington Post on December 2nd 2016. they reported the following that that
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the huff post had spoke to a Communications officer or asked to speak with the communications officer at the
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sheriff's office they were connected to a woman named Kelly to which no last name was given the huff post asked Kelly
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if authorities suspected some kind of hoax in this case Kelly stated I don't know if the words
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ruled out can be used then on December 6 George Stephanopoulos asked Sheriff besenko whether he had any reason to
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doubt Sherry's story yeah besenko responded absolutely none so far we are still investigating this as a kidnapping
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abduction and everything that she has provided us thus far is indicating that bisenko backtracked a bit in an
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interview with people using a double negative saying authorities have no reason not to
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believe Sherry but he also said abductions are rare in themselves especially adult abductions
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on top of this being two women who Sherry described as her captors is even more unique so there remains a number of
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concerns that we have meaning we the Sheriff's Office [Music] foreign welcome back to the garage
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I cleaned it for you I never enjoy and never left and again another happy birthday to the colonel so some
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people are calling this whole abduction a hoax right Captain yeah so I thought let's take some time here and sort
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through some of the things that people point to some of the theories uh if you will okay for one thing and
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this stems from a 2003 blog post that turned up on a defunct website called skinheads that's uh with a z
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this was essentially a well a racist block right yeah hence the name right yeah uh and it sounds racist
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right in 2003 yeah it's not about haircuts it's it's about uh being a racist right so the 2003 post was
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written by Sherry Graff and I think I have that right actually I think I have that wrong it's but I'm
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going to spell it for you Sherry g-r-a-e-f-f from Shasta Lake right that's Cherry's
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uh maiden name correct and I believe that's her Hometown the post rallied against Latinos
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who the author said hated her because she was quote drug free white and proud of her blood and
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Heritage the blog post recounted a story of a violent altercation with a Latino girl now Sherry's ex-husband who we
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referenced earlier says that Sherry did not write this post and he says that Sherry wasn't racist
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when he knew her right Sheriff besenko said quote we are familiar with that blog we do not know if it has any
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relevance to this case or not end quote Sherry and Keith of course made no direct comment on the blog post although
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Keith seemed to touch on it in his Good Morning America interview saying quote I
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understand people want proof that this was not some sort of hoax plan to gain money or some fabricated
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race War I do not see a purpose in addressing each Preposterous lie end quote Sherry also maintained a public
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Pinterest account that contained a section marked cultural differences featuring memes expressing concerns
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about illegal immigrants and Muslims this section has since been taken down there is plenty two point two strange
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yeah there's plenty to point to that Sherry did write the blog post as you pointed out it's
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her maiden name it's her hometown I guess there was also a rumor that that somebody thought maybe
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um one of her friends wrote it to basically smear her um did you hear that anywhere well I I
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heard that plus other reasons why people suspect that it was not her or the theories on who could have posted that
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pretending to be her and it appears to me what information that would indicate that it was her that wrote it is all the
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information that anybody that knew her could have known they would have known all that stuff you know people people
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point to a point in the post where where it references her family's pizza restaurant
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which her family I guess her parents do own or did own a pizza restaurant at one
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point well but look whether it was her whether it was fake whatever the fact of the matter is there's
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evidence that it was there and so if that would have ticked off a gang or ticked off anybody
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and they said we want to go after this individual they would be going after her they would they wouldn't have any
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knowledge that she didn't write it well right and I don't know I think it's it's all weird that we have that post
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and then later she's saying she was abducted by two Hispanic women Or Hispanic looking women and
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but but the other thing too that that I find odd is we're talking about it's what like 13 years apart
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yeah yeah 15. yeah 12 13 years later that seems yeah it seems strange that somebody would
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find a post from 13 years ago and then track the person down and then kidnap them
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so digging into Sherry's past revealed something else in a 2003 Shasta County Sheriff's Office
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incident report which is only two sentences long it stated that Sherry's mother Loretta
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called the Sheriff's Office to ask for help with her daughter Sherry who had been harming herself and blaming her
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injuries on her mother this call by Loretta to the Sheriff's Office about Sherry was one of several made by
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Sherry's family about her this is during the years between 2000 and 2003. in 2000
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her Father Richard alleged his daughter burglarized his residence three years later he alleged she made unauthorized
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withdrawals from his checking account and in 2000 Sherry's sister Sheila alleged her back door had been kicked in
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and she believed Sherry did it the reports provide no details about an arrest and it is unknown whether Sherry
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was ever charged with a crime any type of crime resulting from these these reports like you said it was
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several years before again yes we're talking 13 to 16 years beforehand yeah and everybody goes through
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phases right I mean I mean look I'm laughing but I'm only laughing because I'm V I'm visualizing somebody kicking
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in their sister's door um yeah we we go through phases but I don't hey [ __ ] your couch yeah I don't know
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that I've ever I've never kicked in anybody's door um now I bet you I bet you yeah you bet
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you bet that I have huh I bet you've tried I'm not saying that you succeeded well
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listen to this this this I think is is more interesting the the Sheriff's Office this is in response to a foia
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request made by the Sacramento Bee the newspaper this provided expense reports for out-of-state travel in related to
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this case based on these receipts two detectives traveled cross-country to Detroit
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Michigan and its suburbs of New Hudson Northville Plymouth and Canton between November 9th and November 11
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2016. the same year that she was abducted yeah this is this is actually while she's still missing
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so Sheriff besenko declined to spec to specify why the detectives went to Michigan or what they found if anything
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there right but about a year after Sherry was returned the sheriff's office confirmed in an official press release
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that Sherry and a male acquaintance from Michigan that's what they were calling him were involved in an online texting
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relationship now Sergeant Jackson would not specify whether the relationship was a romantic
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one but he did confirm that the text message messages went back several months he also stated that the male
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acquaintance visited California in the days before Sherry went missing a press release later clarified quote
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days prior to Sherry's disappearance Sherry and the male acquaintance text each other an attempt to meet while he
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was in California this is according to Sergeant Jackson right according to him that is why they went
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to Michigan and he said ruled out went went back to Michigan and ruled out right that the acquaintance was involved
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why I think this just shows you that uh you know the the thought process of their marriage being so great and so
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romantic and and so picture perfect that it just was not true yeah and it seems it seems like most
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people believe that Keith knew nothing about this relationship regardless of what kind of relationship
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it it was well isn't the thought process that um she was texting this guy and one of
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the reasons why I don't think Keith knew about it was that the guy's name was saved as a female's name
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yeah and I saw some I mean that's shady well I saw some information out there too that would suggest that
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you Shady girl this man being saved under a fake woman's name in her contacts may not have been
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a one-time situation that this might have happened before right where where other men were saved under female names
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how about this Theory the theory that the well remember the GoFundMe campaign the the purpose of the
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GoFundMe Campaign which was started by Keith's sister Suzanne on his behalf was to raise money to quote bring Sherry
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home safe for like private investigators and stuff like that too all funds were to go directly to the family
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the GoFundMe raised forty nine thousand seventy dollars their goal was fifty thousand dollars
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and it raised this amount of money fairly quickly no one seems to be certain what the
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funds were actually used for Sherry and all of her family members including the ones who were in the
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public faces of her search have completely withdrawn from the public regarding this and the money has
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not been returned we know Sherry came home but we don't know where that money went yeah and Keith has never made a
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statement on where the money went the other thing that's weird about it too is that you're using this resource and
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you're you're updating people to get money then you get a bunch of money and then when she's found you don't even
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update these people and these some of these people because they saw your story and People magazine or on the Today Show
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or however they saw your story there's people from all over the country um that were were donating money to to
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help find your wife and you didn't even put an update on the page right now almost a year
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after Sherry vanished the Sheriff's Office issued a very interesting press release
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a document entitled kidnapping investigation update stated that Sherry had both male and female DNA on her when
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she was found the samples were uploaded into CODIS DNA database on well it looks like April or May of
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2017. but so far there's never been any matches to any known offenders the DNA from Sherry's husband Keith
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was not among the two profiles they tested it against Keith the male DNA was compiled from the clothing Sherry was
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found was wearing when she was found look she alleged that that she had two female abductors she alleged that they
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gave her the clothing to wear so it is possible and this doesn't have to mean that a
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male was involved in her abduction or in whatever's going on here it is possible that that DNA was already on
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the clothing when it was given to her to wear right but they release more information right yeah the the Sheriff's
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Office revealed that Sherry told investigators that during her abduction she got into an altercation with the
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younger abductor and this took place in a bathroom when so Sherry according to the story
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she's allowed to take a shower and at some point they get into this altercation Sherry says that she slammed
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the captor's head into the toilet in the bathroom before she was subdued and then returned to her room where she
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was being held she reported that she cut the side of her foot during this confrontation
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people have pointed out that there were photos of Sherry and that they they were being reviewed
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by the police department by the Sheriff's Office and there doesn't seem to be any
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evidence in those photos that they can see that there were cuts on her foot or either foot
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to back up this this whole story right but you you it makes you question when did this uh this happen during her
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captive time 22 days to happen at the beginning uh was it not that bad was she just mistaken I mean was she drugged at
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any point uh during during this capture who knows well what we do know is that they're
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saying that she is providing very little details because she can't recall them right that she's just not able to
00:36:53
provide complete information to the Sheriff's Office and we'll get back to this October 2017 press release in in
00:37:02
just a minute uh I do want to point this point out this while we're going through
00:37:07
these suspicions and different theories right so we talked about the neighbors well
00:37:13
there's more information there too so the neighbors who lived near the papinis said that Sherry wasn't a runner
00:37:21
according to their knowledge right now neighbor Joyce Allison said quote I've been here 12 years and I've never seen
00:37:29
her jogging Betty Vaughn whose home overlooked the spot where Sherry's phone was located
00:37:36
said quote I've never seen her jogging never seen her coming to the mailboxes of course a couple of neighbors told
00:37:44
police that they thought they saw Sherry on the day she disappeared one at nine one around 11. although it's not clear
00:37:51
if she was actually running according to those eyewitness reports yeah look these
00:37:57
neighbors could just be strange individuals yeah so for those that we keep referencing these mailboxes
00:38:06
I think we probably should have done a better job of describing that speak for yourself
00:38:12
yeah since it's a such a rural area they actually have a unit like a bank of mailboxes all everybody that lives in
00:38:20
that Community there they have a bank of mailboxes so the mail carrier just pulls
00:38:24
up there like you would see it a condo or a apartment complex and this is what about a mile from their house yeah
00:38:32
that's where Keith goes looking for Sherry uh when he's tracking the phone again I don't put a ton of weight into
00:38:39
people saying hey I never saw a hard run because she wasn't a runner she was newly or what Keith says as she's
00:38:48
getting back into running and when he says she's getting back into running it could have been something she did 15
00:38:55
years ago right so she was getting back into running to run with her family um she did live there for quite some
00:39:04
time though again though like it could have been something that she did in high school or or no no I get
00:39:12
what you're saying I just want to be clear and point out that these the neighbors who regarding their statements
00:39:18
they were neighbors of hers for years it wasn't like right which I understand that but I'm also stating that there's a
00:39:25
bunch of people in her family not saying that she was an avid Runner saying this is a this is a new thing
00:39:32
you know I mean like she was training for this this one event with her family yeah I'm not suspicious of the running
00:39:41
itself I'm suspicious of the wording that keeps circling around that so it's a normal thing Sergeant
00:39:49
Brian Jackson said to People magazine in October 2017 quote what was the purpose
00:39:55
he's talking about the abduction why was she released it is hard to keep somebody
00:40:00
in captivity for 22 days why would somebody go to that length those are all types of questions we still have yeah
00:40:09
the other thing too is a lot of people say that this is real because of something as
00:40:17
simple as the broken nose and my argument would be if you're a wackadoo enough to plan out
00:40:27
um going missing that you're also whackadoo enough to break your own nose that would that would be my argument to
00:40:35
those people the other thing too is people I've been hearing a lot of people say
00:40:40
well if if this was for attention that she hasn't really shared the spotlight she hasn't really
00:40:50
received any attention because she's been in hiding pretty much right she's basically I shouldn't say hiding but
00:40:55
she's well she's she's basically become a recluse they've moved uh they don't live in that town anymore so they move
00:41:02
away and neighbors are like yeah we never see her we don't see her at all and so
00:41:09
so that doesn't make a lot of sense the attention part but then when people say money they go oh well uh she did this
00:41:16
for money or or it couldn't be a fake because she didn't get money well we know that we have about fifty thousand
00:41:24
dollars which isn't a ton of money but it's money that's not accounted for right and so
00:41:31
but then people go well but that's just a little bit of money think about how much money she can make if she wrote a
00:41:37
book and my argument about any of this stuff is maybe all this stuff is coming maybe
00:41:45
a book is coming maybe a movie is coming so you can't roll down that out as a possibility that money's uh wasn't a
00:41:56
motivation to fake this well here okay we'll get into this now because look you look as far as the money goes let's
00:42:08
keep in mind fifty thousand dollars according to what I could find was was equal to or very close to being equal to
00:42:19
their yearly household income yeah that that fifty thousand dollars sounds a lot bigger when you describe it
00:42:27
that way right it takes somebody a whole year it the the whole family together the
00:42:32
whole household income is equal to this for the entirety of a year so that seems
00:42:38
like quite a bit more money when you describe it that way and if somebody recently just lost their part-time
00:42:45
position and now is a stay-at-home mom maybe you need that money well and then people that point out hey this is real
00:42:52
because she had a broken nose right I I hate to answer you know answer a question with a
00:43:01
question but who's saying that she has a broken nose or that she had a broken nose right
00:43:07
Keith so if Keith is in on it or let's say he's not let's say something went down
00:43:15
and he doesn't know what's going on but she has convinced him that something went down
00:43:21
he's either standing up for or could be covering for her so that's where I I think you're going
00:43:28
to get these arguments back and forth I do want to get into something you know I
00:43:32
said would get back to that press release well one more thing I also want to say that you know that during the
00:43:40
parade suppressor release or the cops have said multiple times you're held in captive for 22 days what
00:43:46
was the motivation for them to release her and like you stated before there was multiple
00:43:54
statements saying that we'd give you this money if they were released and then it became
00:44:01
the day before she was released there was another statement there's a threat right those are the captors not a not
00:44:08
just a threat but it's like again maybe there was some contact and maybe that's the reason why we don't know where this
00:44:15
GoFundMe money went because it actually went to paying these people off to get her out
00:44:22
could be could be but but the threat that was going out there the day before she was released was not that this money
00:44:28
is going to be given to you to to pay a ransom for her safe return we're going to use this money to find you right but
00:44:37
I'm just saying that all that could have changed if the people actually tried to
00:44:41
make contact and say hey yeah we got her and we want the money so in October of 2017 this is when the authorities
00:44:49
finally released two sketches of the women described by Sherry the release noted that the sketches were being
00:44:56
released 10 months after Sherry's disappearance because of Sherry's difficulty and recalling what her
00:45:02
abductors look like now this part Captain I believe is is quite important as well
00:45:10
the FBI poster States quote the Federal Bureau of Investigation in cooperation with the Shasta County Sheriff's Office
00:45:17
is asking for the Public's assistance regarding The Disappearance of Sherry papini end quote this poster was
00:45:25
released well after Sherry was returned alive I question why the poster would use the word
00:45:33
why they wouldn't use the word abduction instead of the word disappearance right
00:45:37
also the poster says FBI is seeking information about the two quote individuals depicted in the sketches
00:45:47
they may have information the poster does not call the women suspects or perpetrators or even Persons of Interest
00:45:54
and according to Sherry she has told law enforcement these are the people that abducted me at gunpoint yeah
00:46:03
strange also about a year later authorities released surveillance footage from a church in Woodland
00:46:09
California this is near where Sherry turned up this appears to show a distorted image of a figure running
00:46:16
through a parking lot in the dark and then running back law enforcement confirmed that the footage time stamped
00:46:23
4 15 am shows a newly released Sherry papini seemingly darting around looking for help just before running onto the
00:46:33
highway Entrance Ramp many people believe that police released this video as well as much of the other official
00:46:41
information meaning the male DNA found on Sherry the Michigan Man story The stated inconsistencies about the cut on
00:46:48
her foot to make Sherry feel pressure and that maybe she would crack and and if if there was a different story if there
00:46:57
was a different truth to what went down that she would come forward and give them that information yeah I wonder if
00:47:04
it's the idea that law enforcement is saying not only do we have this footage but we have even more footage that we're
00:47:12
we're not even going to show the public and we're going to let you know that we have it because maybe they
00:47:19
maybe there's some footage of her earlier than that who knows and I do want to make sure that we go through
00:47:26
some more detailed theories here about what could have happened I'm I am going to skip ahead a bit uh one of the
00:47:33
theories was that this is a sex trafficking case I do want to if anybody wants to explore that angle you can but
00:47:42
I I will just kind of sum that up with saying that the police say that they have ruled out sex trafficking as a
00:47:48
motive for Sherry's abduction well I'm based off what Keith says there was no sexual assault yeah and the thing here
00:47:54
is I think that there are some more plausible some more likely theories in this situation if in fact it was a hoax
00:48:02
if this is not truly an abduction one of those theories is a liaison gone very wrong this Theory probably stems
00:48:11
from the Revelation that Sherry was in contact with the Michigan man some people believe that police revealed this
00:48:19
information to show that Sherry was conducting an affair or maybe affairs with men outside of her marriage the
00:48:27
theory goes like this that she texted Keith to find out whether he'd be coming home for lunch
00:48:33
this to ensure that he was busy the kids are gone all day and she was meeting up with a lover or meeting up
00:48:42
with an intended love lover and either one of two things happened one it went wrong
00:48:49
and the guy turned out to be violent and dangerous and she escaped this man 22 days later but was too embarrassed to
00:49:00
tell the truth right the other angle of this is that she bailed on her husband and kids to run off with a guy or this
00:49:08
guy and then faked the whole abduction thing so that she could return but return to her family blame free
00:49:16
people who buy into this Theory well they they basically claim captain that the Sheriff's Office knows
00:49:25
they know that sherry made the whole thing up they just can't prove it right now I do want to be clear here we do not
00:49:31
have any Insider information but from what I can see the general rumor of people in that area
00:49:42
it seems like they believe that the sheriff's office is pretty much split as to whether this is a hoax or if this
00:49:50
was an actual abduction and the rumors that I have seen from that area point to that the two lead investigators well I I
00:50:00
should be clear about this because it sounds like the first lead investigator on this believes that it's
00:50:08
a hoax but we know that we have we have the head sheriff in charge and we also have Sergeant Jackson who have
00:50:16
very publicly stated that they believe this is a real abduction the rumors I've seen is that those are
00:50:22
the only two that believe within the sheriff's office that this abduction was real yeah so you can see
00:50:30
why it's easy to really question this and really be suspicious of the whole thing
00:50:37
um one other theory that I saw Captain is that this could be a drug situation now
00:50:43
I chose to leave this in because I find it much more likely than some of the other theories that are out there
00:50:51
but I want to be clear this should be taken with a grain of salt okay because this was this was pulled off of Reddit
00:51:00
it does come from someone who's been granted verified Insider status as somebody being an Insider on this
00:51:08
case the post states that Sherry had a serious addiction to benzodiazepine and that Keith was using
00:51:18
some other type of drugs and she was using other types of drugs as well this Insider
00:51:25
using air quotes there says that Sherry relapsed a few times and had resorted to
00:51:32
buying pills on the street now this Insider theorizes that Sherry had gone on a bender or someone she owed drug
00:51:40
money to had abducted her again this would point to a similar Theory to that of the hoax to gain the GoFundMe
00:51:50
money the GoFundMe funds while I think that this is is more likely than some of the other theories
00:51:57
that are out there I want I want to be clear I think it's one of the least likely
00:52:03
theories that we've discussed here today I've purposely left out theories that seem just totally off the wall
00:52:10
totally unlikely at all Bigfoot yeah yeah Sasquatch so the thing here Captain we
00:52:20
have we've talked about revenge we've talked about an affair we've talked about drugs all kinds of different
00:52:27
reasons different theories as to why this would be a faked abduction uh you've pointed out some reasons why
00:52:35
it would be a real abduction we we would be remiss if we didn't bring up a story from 2015.
00:52:45
this was the kidnapping of Denise huskins in Vallejo California Denise and her boyfriend Aaron were asleep one
00:52:53
night when a man broke into their home and made her tie up Aaron and kidnapped Denise he raped and assaulted her but
00:53:03
eventually released her dropping her off from his car on the side of the road detectives at the time assumed the
00:53:11
couple's brutal abduction story was a complete hoax but eventually the perpetrator a Harvard
00:53:18
trained attorney named Matthew Moeller was caught after committing another crime a similar crime right the Vallejo
00:53:26
Police Department settled with Denise huskins for 2.5 million dollars so this is just another situation of where they
00:53:38
come out and this situation they were very public about it being a hoax they didn't believe the story where we saw
00:53:46
the Shasta County Sheriff's Office they seem to be confused or or not quite clear on what their actual stance is
00:53:55
right yeah but that's because there was a rape involved in and I mean let's just be honest as far
00:54:04
as uh sexual assaults in this country it's maybe the only crime that I can think of that law enforcement after you
00:54:13
um after you make your statement and after you claim that there was a crime that
00:54:20
they go are you telling the truth I mean it's like the only crime that that happens for I mean you don't go hey
00:54:27
my bike was stolen from my garage and have police come out and go you know within the first couple minutes ask you
00:54:35
if you're lying about it so that that I think that just happens far too often with that type well it appears it
00:54:44
appears that that's happening with abduction stories as well right because that's what we're reporting on today and
00:54:50
it makes it a lot easier to know that the police were just straight up wrong in the Denise huskins case because they
00:54:58
do apprehend the perpetrator you know where you have questions about Sherry's story and about her abduction
00:55:07
but if tomorrow they arrested two Hispanic looking women that they could prove abducted her that
00:55:14
I mean that wipes everything completely away all right yeah um it's it really is a a difficult thing
00:55:23
it doesn't seem to be that there's any clear answer I don't know if you have an opinion on what you think may have
00:55:30
happened here captain uh I mean I don't want to I don't want to ramble too long but I I
00:55:37
all I could come up with conclusion wise because we normally go what do you think
00:55:42
is the word that comes to mind is sad is if this is real and oh it's a horrible situation if this
00:55:51
is real can you imagine that it's horrible it's 22 days of torture you got a branding on your body possibly forever
00:55:59
you know cutting your hair breaking your nose you know it's just that's awful if it's a hoax and she was going to go
00:56:11
hang out with some guy and that went wrong or went well or whatever it was that that's sad too the fact that she
00:56:18
was talking to multiple men behind her husband that's sad you know if it was a drug thing
00:56:25
that's sad that she would go missing from her kids for 22 days because I drugs that's sad
00:56:34
the fact that she is now a recluse at least we have some proof of that or at least that's what some neighbor
00:56:40
Neighbors claim and that's what her husband claims that's sad um it's almost like any theory that you
00:56:48
come up with that you think happened it's sad if it if it was just for seeking attention that is sad that is
00:56:56
somebody that has serious mental issues um that needs help and it's probably not
00:57:05
getting it uh because of this whole ordeal and now being um a recluse um but my gut doesn't tell me either way
00:57:16
because like you said the most difficult thing about this whole case is where the information is coming from
00:57:23
I don't know what this this branding is I don't know if there's some message involved there's there's different
00:57:32
things that point me to believe one thing over another thing but again it's where the information is
00:57:40
coming from and I don't believe the sources yeah I I tell you what I'm going to give Sherry
00:57:47
the benefit of the doubt here and say that I believe her story I believe that she was abducted and I hope
00:57:56
they continue I hope police continue to search for her abductors and whoever whoever
00:58:05
you know carried out these terrible crimes right the only reason why I lean that way I am
00:58:13
suspicious of some things but but here here's the problem I'm not suspicious of a lot of the
00:58:19
things that I see people being suspicious of online and then the the fact that she was released that seemed
00:58:26
to even bolster people's suspicions like oh she she turned up nobody ever lets people go
00:58:33
all right that doesn't happen a lot we do know that but we do we already pointed to at least one other case where
00:58:39
that did in fact take place the captor released them anytime somebody is missing if they were abducted that is
00:58:46
what we hope and pray for each and every minute of every hour of every day that they are gone that whoever has them will
00:58:54
grow a heart and release them and if in fact that happened in this situation whether it be that the abductors got
00:59:02
scared felt threatened got tired of holding her whatever happened that caused them to release her
00:59:09
I'm thankful that they did so I kind of lean toward this story being being truthful Sherry's story
00:59:16
being truthful and what I want to point out is the the radio call that went out to the ambulance that states that there
00:59:26
was an assault that she was badly beaten that to me is the one that's the only other part where I can see somebody
00:59:35
other than her husband stating that these injuries actually took place or that she appeared to have
00:59:43
been injured now if if in fact this was a hoax if she wasn't really abducted if this was carried out
00:59:52
we know that somebody else had to be involved because she was missing for 22 days she disappeared for 22 days
01:00:01
somebody had to help her with that if there was anybody involved in a hoax I I have no reason to believe I actually
01:00:12
believe that Keith does not know right what really happened I I don't I don't see I understand these theories
01:00:21
and I understand the speculation but I don't see anything that points to me that that he was involved in helping
01:00:28
carry out this whole ordeal in November of 2018 Sergeant Jackson told the local ABC 10
01:00:37
TV station that he did not consider Sherry's case cold and that there's still several Avenues we are looking at
01:00:46
but now nearly three years after Sherry papini's perplexing disappearance and reappearance and what has been described
01:00:54
as quote one of the largest man hunts in California history we still have no answers we've
01:01:02
never heard from Sherry her family has gone silent secret witness of California is still offering ten thousand dollars
01:01:11
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