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the assassination of our 35th president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was shot and
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murdered in Dallas, Texas at the young age of 46. Now, we're not here to talk about that today, but I'm sure we're
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going to end up talking about it at some point. Yeah, at some point, but we're going to
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have to spend like half a year talking about that. Well, it it's this time of year and it happens every year where you
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start seeing, you know, on A and E and uh all the the the documentary style channels that we start seeing things
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coming out. Oh, new information about the JFK assassination and oh, this has been uncovered and now we're going to
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show you uh a different documentary that's actually the same one you watched last year. We just changed it a little
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bit. Uh so we have this every year in the uh late November just before Thanksgiving where we are reminded of uh
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what took place in Dallas, Texas back in the uh 60s and we're reminded year after year after
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year. Um and this has been a a huge topic of much debate ever since that day in Dallas, Texas.
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Um but today we are here to talk about Mary Pincho Meyer. Mary Pincho was born October 14th, 1920 in New York City, New
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York. Uh she attended and graduated Vasser College. She went on to meet Cord Meyer Jr. in 1944. Cord had served in
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the United States Marine Corps during World War II. Mhm. And he was a bit of a war hero, but as a
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young man, he seemed to be more of a peace lover of someone that didn't really believe in war. And it seems that
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maybe the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor had changed him and that is when he decided to sign up for the Marines.
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He fought in the Pacific War and he saw plenty of action. He was wounded in war uh losing his left eye due to a grenade
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attack. Uh for this Cord was awarded the Bronze Star and a Purple Heart. Cord and
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Mary were married in April of 1945 and they would have three children, all boys. After the war, Cord began a career
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in writing and he was writing for the Atlantic Monthly and he penned a couple of books as well, even winning an award
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for his efforts. Well, this war um World War II was different than a lot of the wars that we're involved in now. And you
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know, we stayed out of the war for so long. Um, and it it was, you know, we were united as a country for the, you
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know, the majority of people really understood why we're fighting World War II. Well, and this is why they went on to
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become the greatest generation. You don't think like maybe the millennials will be better
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than them? No. Who who knows? Maybe. Hopefully. Yes. I mean, if this was the greatest
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generation, ideally, you want our country to keep getting better and people as a whole to get better. So, you
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know, let's let's, uh, step it up a little bit, people. Um, but, uh, going back to this the story here. So, while
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he's while he's working as an author and he would eventually apply for a position
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with the Central Intelligence A agency, the CIA. Mhm. Uh now, Cord is he's an ideal candidate
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back then in the ' 50s for a position in the CIA, right? He's a decorated war hero. He's very smart. He's an Ivy
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Leaguer. Um he's the kind of people that they wanted to fill their offices with and fill these positions with. Uh Court
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of course gets the job and the Meyers pick up and they move to Washington DC. Well, you're making it sound a little
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simpler than it was. I mean, yeah, he applied for this position, but there's no I he essentially was working for the
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CIA for amount of time. Um, they don't know how how long. Yeah. There's some discrepancy on when
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he actually officially started working for the CIA. Yeah. So, it's not as simple as, well,
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this guy applied for the CIA and then therefore now he's working for the CIA. Now, at some point he was working for
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the CIA and then at some point the CIA made that official. Well, as with the CIA, wouldn't you I
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mean, I fully believe that they fully disclose everything, right? There's no there's no mystery there. So, yeah, of
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course, we don't know exactly when he started, but they when he officially started, they moved to Washington DC,
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and they are now the Meyers are living near a very busy road. And in 1954, the family dog was crossing this busy street
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and was struck and killed by a car. Now, the strange foreshadowing here is that just two years later in 1956, the same
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would be the fate of Cord and Mary's middle son, 9-year-old Michael. Michael was returning home with his older
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brother. This was late in the year, uh, December 18th in 1956. Now, this is the time of the year when, you know, it's
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very dark. It gets very dark early and this was a busy street and it was not well lit. Most likely the driver never
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saw the young boy racing across the street. Uh little Michael was killed pretty much instantly. Now Mary was
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notified by her by her eldest son uh who and then she run she runs to the scene of the accident and this kind of shows
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me what kind of person Mary was. Mary gets to the scene and while she's there, she comforts the driver of the vehicle
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that hit her boy. Mhm. Well, this is it's interesting, too, because um one, a lot of people
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would say, "Well, man, there's conspiracy already happening, right? We got a we have a CIA official son, you
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know, hit by by a car and dies and would show some evidence of, oh, well, maybe this is a conspiracy, right?
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Mhm. But there doesn't look that way. You see what I'm saying? No, this this appears to be completely
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an accident. Um and and you know, as we said, it's not something that um when I say the word accident, I don't say that
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lightly because we saw just two years before the the dog is hit on the same street roughly about the same time of
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year. So there this is a street where maybe the only conspiracy is why isn't there street lights.
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Uhhuh. Well, I mean it's also the 50s, right? So I mean it's different time. They
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didn't have street lights on every street. But I think this is very telling of who
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Mary Pincho Meyer was. Um, you know, when I had heard about this case many years ago, but didn't really, you know,
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sometimes when you hear about these cases or or read something on something and you don't really dive into it, it's
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hard to identify with the the people as people. And you know, once I got to dive
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into this case, I got to see really who she was, you know, and she was a very she was very smart, charismatic, and an
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affectionate person as well. Um she was an she was an artist and she was a socialite very very involved in the um
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uh the different social circles of the time and very uptodate on her uh ideas and beliefs um about where the world was
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heading and and what direction our uh government in our country should be heading. Well, she was a lady, you know,
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um before her time, you know, she was You're exactly right. you know, she was uh you know, not the typical a lot of
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look, a lot of um they they talk about this a lot in in the ' 50s, you know, women after high school or if they did
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go to college, which a lot of them wouldn't go, but they would get a job, but that job was just a placeholder
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until they found a man and then they got married and then they would stay at home
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and raise their kids. That was the norm. Mhm. this was not the norm for uh Mary at all. You know, she she would get a
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job that she would dive into and make it into a career uh going from a bunch of different facets in her life. Now, there
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was some trouble going on in the marriage even before the death of their son. Um, and there was, you know, we can
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I don't know how much you want to get into rumors, but it it sounds like when they first got married, when they first
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when Cord and Mary first met one another, that they probably shared a lot of the same ideals and and a lot of the
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same thoughts on things we just mentioned about the direction of the world and and where our government and
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our our nation should be helping to lead in that direction. um she was a big uh peace lover um and
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had no problem expressing that with with most now I said there were some trouble
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in the marriage and um it seems like that Cord once he he had been working for the CIA for a while he became I
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don't know how much of a drinker he was beforehand but but the stuff that I've been reading is saying that that he was
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kind of changing a bit uh that that he was drinking more and more. And of course, the death of the
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child did not help this situation at all. No. No. Um before any of Yeah. Cuz the percentage of people that
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can stay together after a loss of a child is is very low. Mhm. And uh rightfully so. Right.
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Yeah. But yeah, so now you have this guy, you know, the death of his son. Um but
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that's probably way on on her, too. but now he's in the CIA and now what is he learning in the CIA and how much is that
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affecting you know his um mental makeup and he had been involved in uh something
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called Operation Mockingbird. Um now it's unclear to me whether he was kind of the um
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the speculation is that he was the he was the head of it. He spearheaded this thing.
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Mhm. Like we see the work that you're doing. you're doing a good job and therefore we
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want you to uh spearhead this operation. Yeah. And he had a bit of notoriety for
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being in charge of this operation or spearheading. Okay. So, let's talk about what
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operation operation mockingber. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean it doesn't matter. Hey, he spearheaded this. Nobody
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cares unless there's some, you know, some uh it's this is a weird operation. Yeah. So, B here's the gist of it,
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right? Okay. So from my understanding that what the CIA was doing was they were getting in the pockets of people
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that were working in different areas for different newspapers. And this way when
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a story would come about they might have an opportunity to skew it uh in the direction that they would like. Uh
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especially if they wanted something to put the CIA into a good light or or have a good ring about it, so to say. Um, and
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this may have even carried over to uh to radio and eventually TV as well, I'm assuming. Uh, one doesn't really know,
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one being me, the extent of this operation and how far it carried. Um, I wonder, you know, you definitely know it
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was happening in Washington DC and it was probably happening in other major areas that being New York, Chicago, LA,
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things of that nature. All right. So, but let's let's make this clear. Okay. So, one of the big conspiracies that
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people talk about these days is this whole Illuminati, right? People talk about the Illuminati. And one of
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one of the things that people talk mostly about the Illuminati is that they are controlling media and that they will
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also control arts and things of that nature. And the overall idea uh is that if we put out all this dumb garbage that
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you'll be so consumed with dumb garbage and we're not putting out this idea that
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you need to be a thinker, that you need to dive into things, you need to be an intellect, you need to care what's going
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on. And therefore, if you don't really give a [ __ ] what's going on and you're just stuck on your phone all day, that
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the government can do whatever the hell it wants to do. And then that and the other governments can do whatever the
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hell they want to do. And a lot of people will say, well, this idea is completely crazy, right? But now in the
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50s, we have this operation called Operation Mockingbird. And here's what it was. You know, to simplest forms, it
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was a plan to influence domestic and foreign media. So to influence domestic and foreign media, whatever level that
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is. Um, but see see how there's you would have some weight to the the conspiracy of today going all the way
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back to the 50s. Well, and the thing we got to point out here too is this operation mockingb bird
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was not this is not a theory. This happened. This this absolutely happened. We don't know the extent of it.
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Um, and you know the conspiracy theorists can can run with that as much as they like, but again this this did
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happen. this was taking place. And and you're exactly right. You know, it's it's the old thought that, you
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know, if you can control speech, you can control thought. And you know what? If we can if we can change these stories
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and manipulate them any way that we choose, well, guess what, Mr. Citizen? You don't have to do the thinking
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because we've already done the thinking for you. So, just sit back and be entertained and enjoy the ride.
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Right. And we're going to control the narrative. Mhm. Again, their marriage was having
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some issues beforehand and um Mary had confided in Cord that she had gone outside of the marriage. Um
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it's rumored that Cord had as well, but there's no hard evidence of that. Uh but
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regardless, the death of his his son and this problem with their marriage did not
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help his his drinking at all. Right. and he he basically became kind of a mean, bitter drunk. Um, and what would end up
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happening is that they would get a divorce in 1958. Cord believed that, you know, there's some uh journals that he
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kept and he had wrote in there that he thought that maybe the the death of their son, this might reunite them, so
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to speak, that they they might, you know, need to to team up uh to get each other through this tragic event. Um that
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ended up not being the case, just divorcing two years after the death of their son. But like I I mean I want to
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put some emphasis on the idea that you know Mary was ahead of her time. She she wasn't going to be uh some lady or some
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female just to get married and to be her husband's sidekick. She was not interested in that. At least that's what
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it looks like from the out outsers's point of view. Now, it should be noted here that in
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1954, the Kennedys, uh, John Fitzgerald and his wife, uh, and one day first lady
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Jackie Kennedy, they buy the house next door to the Meyers. This is again in 1954
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before the Meyers divorced in 1958. Now, this is where we get into an issue of of
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how big this story could be. I mean, it's a big story with lots of layers, right? Now, on the surface, it has been
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reported that Mary Pincho Meyer and Jackie Kennedy were friends and that they even took walks together.
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It's possible. And maybe they took some walks together. But the more I kept digging, it sounds to me like they were
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not friends. Maybe they were friendly to one another, but they were probably simply just acquaintances.
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Right. After Mary's divorce, Mary still had possession of the house for some time, and she rented the home to a young
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woman who was having an affair with Mr. John Kennedy. Uh, and it's hard to put an exact date on it,
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but Okay. So, they get a divorce, the the Meyers, right? Yeah. And she keeps the house that is next to
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JFK, and then she rents it out to a lady. Yeah. and a single lady. Mhm. And we don't know who that lady is.
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Uh I don't have the lady's name, but a little backstory on that is that the that Jack Kennedy had approached Mary
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and asked her if if they could rent the home. Now, this was going to be to somebody that would fill the role of
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some form of secretary. I don't know if she was a secretary to uh to John F. Kennedy, but I I believe she may have
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been a secretary to Jackie, actually. Okay. And now this young woman much younger than Jack Kennedy at the time uh
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she she was working for them in some capacity and she was also having an affair with him.
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Right. Um so Mary was was aware of uh the things going on in and out of the Kennedy marriage.
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There are plenty of rumors uh on both sides. And when I say both sides, I mean Mary and her social circle as well as
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JFK and his social circle that u that JFK was pursuing Mary. Well, seemed like JFK just sleep with
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everybody. Uh yeah, actually he is my father. No. Um but he So it it's no allegedly.
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Allegedly. Uh and I'm going to run for office next year. I mean, he he just seems like the biggest [ __ ] of all
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time. Yeah, he he was he was um it's tough for me because I've always I I think he was
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a I look You're like I looked up to him. He was a [ __ ] No, I think he was I think he was uh had
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the had the makings to be a great leader. Uh but he probably was not a great man outside of the office.
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No [ __ ] I mean, he was definitely not a good husband. He's a [ __ ] All right. Well, let's we we all know
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about JFK and what he was doing, but but there's plenty of rumor to that we can back up that he was pursuing Mary and he
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had an interest in her and she didn't she may not. It's unclear if she was willing in the early, you know, in the
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or early portions of this, but at some point, and this would be in the year of 1961,
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um there's plenty of evidence to to support that an affair between Mary and JFK had started sometime in the year of
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1961. Now, at this point, obviously, JFK is the president of the United States, but and there's speculation on both
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sides. I mean, because this was what was so difficult to for me. It was trying to
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figure out. I mean, it was just kind of like um his side said, "Oh, yeah. We think something was going on." And some
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people that knew her believe it was going on. I don't know how much evidence there is to prove that.
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Uh, you know, well, if there there are a few pictures that show them together, which doesn't mean that they were
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sleeping together, right? It doesn't show them having sex. It shows them hanging out. To me, this
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is just my gut feeling on this situation was this was a lady that was ahead ahead
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of her time and this was a lady um that had not you know all ladies had at that time thoughts of their own but most
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women weren't capable of speaking them or or wanting to speak them. Um, and she was and she
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was this freethinker, uh, artist type, thinking outside the box, uh, some kind of revolutionary
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ideas. And I think that was attractive to him. And I think she was like, nah, you don't get what you want. You know,
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you might get these other girls, but you don't get me. Yeah. And that that's my gut feeling is that he
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was pursuing her and she's going, "Not so much." And I think you're exactly right. I think that would be the appeal.
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I mean, not only is she very attractive, but she is she's somebody that is as smart as every man in the room, you
00:30:49
know, or smarter. And and the other thing, too, just like you had said, she was ahead of her time.
00:30:55
You know, a lot of times when there's trouble in a marriage back in the 50s and 60s,
00:31:01
the woman the wife would usually wait around and wait for the man to divorce her. That was not the situation in in
00:31:07
this case. Everything that I could find sound like she was the one that decided,
00:31:12
hey, this is when, you know, we're getting a divorce. This marriage is not working for either of us, and we're
00:31:18
going to get a divorce. I'm the one calling this to action. And in fact, she had actually taken a trip to Europe. I
00:31:24
don't know if it was for several weeks or for a month, but she went off to Europe um with with the thought that you
00:31:31
know what, my marriage sucks. And so I'm either going to go I'm either going to go to Europe and I'm going to have a
00:31:37
good time and I'm going to get away from my husband. Sounds like a good time. And I'm going to come back and when I
00:31:43
come back I'm going to know whether I want to remain in this marriage or not. It's that that I need some time by
00:31:49
myself to figure this thing out. And when she came back she's decided, you know what, it's not working. We're we're
00:31:55
getting a divorce. Which again, and I don't mean to harp on this uh point too much, but in 2016, that's not that crazy
00:32:03
of a idea. I'm going to go to Europe for a little bit, clear my head, see if I want to stay in this marriage. But in
00:32:09
the 50s, that seems like a pretty crazy idea, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it shows her
00:32:17
personality. It shows her intelligence. And to me, it you know, she did have she
00:32:21
was a woman of means, though, you know. she had she had um the ability to do some of these things. I'm I'm you know
00:32:30
sure that most people whether it be men or woman would not have had that opportunity back then or even today.
00:32:36
Um but it does show that she is ahead of her time and again the appeal that that
00:32:41
you know Cord Meyer was a in his own right a powerful man. Yeah. you know, he was he's this is not
00:32:48
just some, you know, some low-level dude that that she married, you know, he's he's a war hero. He's a celebrated war
00:32:55
hero. He's he's was an author. Uh and he had a high ranking job in the CIA. I know there's some debate about
00:33:03
Yeah. He's the original Carl, but um Yeah. Yeah. And you would think that you there would be a lot of appeal uh for
00:33:12
women to want to be around this guy too, a war hero. uh and and in in the CIA, tons of power, money, power.
00:33:21
And that goes back to why I think that she might not have been friends with Jackie Kennedy. And my whole thought on
00:33:28
this is that, you know, time and time again when I am reviewing Mary's personality. She seems to be someone to
00:33:36
me of a person of standards, high standards as well as uh you know, morals and moral values. you know, we see we
00:33:43
see her comforting the person that accidentally killed her her her young child. Um, and I believe that she may have just
00:33:52
known Jackie Kennedy that that that she would not have had this affair with JFK had she actually been friends with
00:34:00
Jackie. You know, some of the little snippets that you will read. That's that's a weird thought, though.
00:34:07
Well, she's okay with having an affair, but she's not okay with the having an affair if she's friends with
00:34:13
the with the wife. But the only reason why I bring that up is because when you first glance at this
00:34:18
case, if you just bring up a quick little snippet about it, the the first thing they say in in in every article is
00:34:26
her and Jackie were friends. Like they they go out of their way to bring that up very early in the story. And what I'm
00:34:32
getting at is when you dive into it further and you review it as a whole, it doesn't really appear that she was
00:34:38
friends with Jackie Kennedy. Appears like she was friends with John F. Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it it's weird
00:34:44
though to me because it Well, actually, there's actually proof that she's maybe not friends, but she's trying to
00:34:52
influence the women uh of the of the people of power, the men of power in Washington. and she's trying to
00:34:59
influence their wives or their women or the mistresses. Uh she talks and we'll talk about uh Timothy Larry um later,
00:35:08
but so there is some kind of proof of that, but and maybe I'm dead wrong and maybe there's like some solid proof uh
00:35:16
of this affair between uh her and her and John. But to me, it seems like this is a guy that's pursuing her and she's
00:35:25
saying no. No. Mhm. constantly. No. And again, I could be dead wrong on that. Well, but here's Okay, so there what is
00:35:35
the proof of the affair? Because, you know, I don't I don't want to go into this case wondering if that is, you
00:35:42
know, is that the major topic of discussion? No, that's that's not the major topic of discussion
00:35:47
is her murder and and why that took place. Yeah. And who did it? Yeah. Yeah. Because at the end of the
00:35:53
day, we have this beautiful lady, intelligent lady, ahead of her time, connected to people of power, connected
00:36:01
of to the president. She's connected to uh drug experimentation. She's connected
00:36:07
to the CIA. And this lady goes for a walk and she ends up dead. We'll get to that obviously.
00:36:14
Yeah. But but it's unsolved to this day, right? And I think this is where we address the uh the affair. You know, we
00:36:22
we talked about the back and forth of it. However, you know, what is some evidence of this? Is this just is this
00:36:28
just her saying that she slept with the president? No, it's it's you know, through through decades of since the
00:36:35
assassination, there's been many authors come out with books talking about this affair. And the first time that we see
00:36:42
this kind of come and presented to the masses is in 1976. Now, this was a National Inquirer article, right? And
00:36:49
now everybody's going, "Oh my god, Nick just said that this is true because the National Enquirer reported it on."
00:36:56
However, nobody likes you anyways. Right. Right. But we got to keep in mind that
00:37:00
the uh the article, this is where this is how this thing gets out to the masses. Okay. Um the Meyers, Cord and
00:37:08
Mary Meyer, were both friends with James Truit and Anne Truit. Now, who are they?
00:37:14
Well, James Truit was a well-known uh writer for the Washington Post. Yeah. And and like we said, Cord Meyer wrote some
00:37:22
articles before and I believe that James Truit either penned the article that would later be
00:37:27
in the National Enquirer or he he was the subject of the article. Um now or maybe the source.
00:37:34
Yeah. and Truit, what had happened after um the death of JFK. Truit on occasion had gotten drunk in
00:37:46
public and he Okay. And he he would kind of spout off at the mouth about this affair that had been
00:37:53
going on between JFK and uh Mary Pincho Meyer, right? And so the other thing here is
00:38:00
that that's not just the only evidence, you know, because that's pretty much hearsay, but there's a lot of hearsay.
00:38:06
And what that is is we see many people in her social circles that say that this affair took place.
00:38:14
And we even see people in JFK's social circles that say that this affair took place. There are references uh to Jack
00:38:23
having said things to to other men of power in the White House, you know, about how fond he was of Mary and how
00:38:30
Mary might be a person that would be hard to live with because she was so forwardinking.
00:38:36
Yeah. Um and there's also Could you imagine the fear of the 1950s male, you know, can't can't have a woman
00:38:46
with an opinion? You know how hard that would be? Oh, you know how hard that would be to live
00:38:51
with? I mean, come on. Well, and the other thing is there there is evidence once JFK was in the White
00:38:59
House. Why? Because we have the Secret Service involved who has to monitor the president and his movements and and his
00:39:05
visitors. And what we see time and time again in the beginning, uh, there was there was a visitor that was always
00:39:12
labeled as, you know, this would be for dinner parties or for visits to the White House to see the president,
00:39:17
sometimes in closed doors, and this would be David Powers plus one. Well, Mary Pincho Meyer was the plus one,
00:39:25
right? Um, and the the the thing they did there was it was trying to give the illusion
00:39:30
to whoever may be monitoring the situation that David Powers was the actual visitor. and his plus one was his
00:39:38
date, right? Um where actually what we would see later and this is all recorded by the
00:39:43
Secret Service that eventually the plus one didn't drop off from David P's visits. Eventually David Powers
00:39:51
dropped off from the plus one's visits and we would just start seeing Mary Meyer or Mary Pincho at this time now
00:39:58
visiting the president on her own. What do you think David felt when they're like, "Hey, you don't need to show up
00:40:05
anymore." Or or was he the guy that said, "You know what? I'm not I can't keep driving her around for your booty
00:40:12
calls and I'm just sitting outside here the door outside the door looking at my watch."
00:40:16
He's probably just yell and he's screaming at the White House, JFK, you dirty [ __ ] Well, and I think I think
00:40:23
in the beginning a lot of these visits were for dinner parties or for dinners um where you would typically have a plus
00:40:30
one. Um but you know we see over a dozen visits uh in the short time that JFK was
00:40:37
in the White House where Mary Pincho was a visitor to see JFK. Yeah. So to further the speculation and
00:40:46
actually more importantly to further the weight uh to to provide uh validation to
00:40:52
the this affair rumor. Yeah. Between Mary Meyer and JFK even even earlier this year we saw
00:41:00
better proof of that. Right. There was a an unscent letter that was discovered. Yeah. So, in June of this year, uh it
00:41:08
was auctioned off for just under $89,000. That's a lot of rolling papers. That is that is a lot of chedda for a
00:41:19
unscent letter. Yeah. And so this how does this come about? This was this was uh stored by
00:41:26
JFK's secretary in a in a safe somewhere. Um and it was never sent to Mary Pincho, but uh it was thought to be
00:41:37
written for her. Yeah. So the idea was roughly about a month before JFK's assassination in
00:41:44
1963. Uh he wrote this letter. Uh it was on um President Letter head or White House
00:41:52
letter head. Uh that letter that the letter head was actually cut off. They believe that like um you know if he'd
00:42:00
send a private message and he didn't want like some backtrack, right? We can't backtrack it to him. Now, a lot of
00:42:07
people then speculate, well, okay, one, why wasn't it sent? Cuz it was never sent. Um and was it actually from uh
00:42:17
John F. Kennedy? They did a wa watermark test based on his pen. Uh, I think they
00:42:24
had the like old school like dipping pins or the fountain pens or and so they could tell that it was his watermark
00:42:29
which was interesting. So, let's just dive into this letter a little bit. Okay. So, this is what it reads.
00:42:36
So, it's a fourpage note basically. Yeah. Yeah. It's not not super long. And some have deemed this as a almost
00:42:44
begging letter to mistress, right? So, why don't you read read what what is believed that JFK wrote
00:42:51
and if you look this up on the internet, I'll try to post pictures on Instagram about this and and you can find those on
00:42:57
the website as well. Uh just so you can see it. It is I could not like I had to look up a transcription of this because
00:43:04
it was so hard to read. I mean, not only was he a dirty [ __ ] but I mean he couldn't. His penmanship was awful. Um,
00:43:14
okay. So, it says, uh, why don't you leave suburbia for once? Come and see me. Maybe I should read it
00:43:22
like this. Be like Barry White. Uh, okay. Why don't uh why don't you leave suburbia for
00:43:29
once? Come and see me either here or at the Cape uh next week or in Boston the 19th. I
00:43:38
know it is unwise, irrational, and that you may hate it. On the other hand, you may not, and I will love it. You say it
00:43:48
is good for me not to get what I want. After all these years, you should give me a more loving answer than that. Why
00:43:57
don't you just say yes? Now, some people say it's a love letter. And he just he just signed it J
00:44:05
with the letter J. Yo, Jay. Well, and it could be a love letter. I mean, there the not only the thought was
00:44:12
that there was this affair between the two of them. Sounds like a very insensitive love
00:44:17
letter. If it's a love letter, it was not like, you know, you smell so good. I love your hair.
00:44:22
Yeah. But I like to cuddle with you. But again, let's think of Mary's personality.
00:44:26
I like to be big spoon if she'd be little spoon. Do you think Mary would even bother with
00:44:31
a with a person that would write things like that? I think that she I don't No, I think you have a better
00:44:36
chance than riding that dog [ __ ] Well, he's just asking her to come and visit him.
00:44:41
No, basically what he's saying is like, look, I know you might not like it. I know it's unwise and irrational, but
00:44:49
it's a booty letter. That's all it is. Come see me. Here's an option. Here's an option. I'm not going to put that much
00:44:57
time and effort. I am going to put two paragraphs on four pages. What do you think that is?
00:45:07
If you have you have two paragraphs and you put it on four pages, it's because you had nothing to say and
00:45:15
so you wanted to put four. You see what I'm saying? Mhm. Like I have nothing to say to you. So to
00:45:21
make it seem like it's more important, I put it on more pages. I write bigger. Or do you think it was maybe it was just
00:45:28
going to be a one note? I think he was drunk. I think he was drunk and thinking, man, that that Mary
00:45:34
Meyer, she is she is so sexy with her thoughts and opinions. But again, regardless of your opinion of it being a
00:45:42
booty letter or whatever, it it there is thought there that with this affair that
00:45:49
this was not just an affair for JFK. You know, we knew he had many trrists and many things outside of the uh many
00:45:57
indiscretions outside of his marriage and but the thought was by his friends, by the people that knew him best um that
00:46:06
that this was somebody that he actually had a an emotional relationship with. Well, and and look, that might be the
00:46:13
case. I'm just saying that that letter has no proof of that. There's not like I love you. It doesn't there's no nothing
00:46:20
complimentary in the letter. Right. Nothing at all. There's not one thing that's complimentary.
00:46:27
I can agree with that. But again, I think I think there are some things to point out that he may have been he may
00:46:34
have been in love with her in some fashion more so than you know where these some
00:46:41
of these other affairs were just Yeah. But that's what I'm that's that's what I'm saying so frustrating about
00:46:47
history in general or cases in general is when they go, "Well, he he loved her." Okay, where's the proof? Well, we
00:46:54
got this love letter. And then you read the love letter and it's not a love letter. That's that's my problem with
00:46:59
it. Well, where's the proof? Oh, well, his friend said so and then we got this love letter. It's not a love letter.
00:47:06
It's like I said, there is nothing remotely complimentary there at all. I agree. But what I'm saying is that the
00:47:13
the the level of their relationship is important to Mary's story to to her murder because the the thought is that
00:47:26
if there if her murder was some kind of conspiracy, right, that she would have had to just been
00:47:32
something more than a fling that that she would have for for an organization or a group of people to conspire to
00:47:38
murder her and cover it up. It's because she had to have known something that that others didn't. And you talked about
00:47:46
how how big of a of a [ __ ] JFK was, let's say. Right. Right. [ __ ] So, so then there should be women
00:47:55
dropping dead all over the United States if if there if there's not something, right? But I think that's I I think that
00:48:01
kind of talk and that kind of speculation is very dismissive to who Mary Meyer was. It's dismissive to say,
00:48:08
well, if there is a conspiracy, if there is something more to her murder, that she had to be in love with JFK or JFK
00:48:15
had to be in love with her and it couldn't just been a fling or something that happened when she was drunk and
00:48:21
that maybe she didn't want when she was sober. Look, so I think that minimalizes
00:48:26
her here. Here here's what it was. She is married to a CIA, right? high high official and CIA project marking uh
00:48:36
mockingb bird lives next to JFK is and then and we're not even talking about the Timothy Liry stuff.
00:48:44
I think she knew a bunch of people in the inner circle. Oh, without a doubt. And she was a woman of power. So that
00:48:50
that's all the the conspiracy theory you need to know. So the the fact if if JFK was in love
00:48:56
with her does not define her story. You know, you see what I'm saying? No, but it adds chapters to her story.
00:49:04
No, I I Yeah, I get that. But the thing I But what I'm saying is if that we just
00:49:09
assume like all I'm saying is maybe they had affair. Who cares if they're in love? It doesn't matter. You know, the
00:49:15
fact the facts are that this person Mary Meyer knew a bunch of people of power. She was trying to influence other people
00:49:24
with her ideas. This president is assassinated. Tons of conspiracy there. A year later,
00:49:34
right, about a year later, the Warren Commission comes out, has their findings, and a couple weeks
00:49:41
later, this lady is murdered. Mhm. All I'm saying is that minimizes her as a person. If it's like, oh, well, we we
00:49:50
have to we have to prove that he loved her or something to make her story valuable.
00:49:57
No, but we we don't have to prove that he loved her. What we what we have to prove is that whether or not her murder
00:50:04
was just a just a random act of violence, right, that we see every day in the newspapers
00:50:11
or if it was a something organized and put together by a a group of people. And if it were to be that the second that
00:50:21
she would have had to have known something, known somebody or said something that would would have that
00:50:28
cause and effect. Mhm. Um and and you're right though, you did you did lead onto something there that I
00:50:34
like. Maybe maybe her death wasn't an attempt to cover up something she knew from JFK. Maybe it was an attempt to
00:50:43
cover up something she knew about the CIA from things that she knew from being married to somebody in the CIA.
00:50:51
Right. But we we should get into um the day of her death. Now, this is um October 12th,
00:50:58
1964. Now, at the time, Mary had she had moved on. She wasn't living in the home that
00:51:05
that was, you know, formerly next to the Kennedy's old home. Um, and she was working as an artist and she had a
00:51:14
studio and she would typically go in and do her work, do her studio work and she
00:51:19
would leave around lunchtime, around noon every day and she would take a take a somewhat lengthy walk and this was,
00:51:27
you know, if the weather was good, she did this every day. Yeah. She's primarily a painter.
00:51:32
Mhm. So, she goes out for her walk and this is on near the uh Chesapeake and Ohio
00:51:38
canal. Um and there's a toe path down there and she would go down there for her walk and
00:51:45
she's still in Washington DC and around um noon time. This is around noon time. But to tell this story
00:51:54
properly, we have to introduce a new character. Now this is Henry Wiggins. Henry Wiggins
00:51:59
is a tow truck driver. And Henry Wiggins has an assistant. His name is Bill Branch. And the two of them are called
00:52:07
to the 4,300 block of Canal Road and they are going there to fix a stalled vehicle. This is a Nash Rambler. They
00:52:16
arrive approximately at 12:20 p.m. Again, this is Monday, October 12th, 1964. Now, less than 1 minute after they
00:52:25
arrive, Henry Wiggins, he hears the screams of a woman, and he hears these for approximately, he says, 20 seconds.
00:52:35
Now, is it just are the screams saying anything or is it just, you know, Yeah, I he he says that he had heard uh
00:52:42
you know, someone help me, please help me, something of that nature, right? And so he decides to run towards the
00:52:49
danger, right? Uh he he hears these screams for about 20 seconds, which is followed by a gunshot.
00:52:56
Okay. Now, approximately 10 to 20 seconds later, this is while Henry Wiggins is running toward Canal. He's
00:53:05
crossing Canal Road and he's running toward um where he's hearing these screams in the gunshot. So, 10 or 20
00:53:12
seconds after the first gunshot, he hears a second gunshot. At this point, Wiggins approaches what
00:53:19
what has been referred to as the lower wall. And he gets up on this wall and he peers over. And what he says he sees is
00:53:27
he sees an African-Amean man standing over what appears to be the dead body of a woman.
00:53:34
Uhhuh. And he identifies um the you know the clothing that he sees this African-American man wearing. He says
00:53:44
that he sees the man wearing a dark um I want to say ball cap, but it's wearing a
00:53:51
dark hat with a light colored beige um long sleeve jacket and dark pants and dark shoes.
00:54:00
Um well, this is 64, too, so ball caps would be less likely. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I just always call them ball caps,
00:54:07
right? Um but uh this is a you know, hat with a with a bill. Good job. Good job.
00:54:14
Thanks. And uh he says that he sees this man standing over the dead body of a woman. Now he says that the man doesn't
00:54:22
seem to be like, you know, he he doesn't seem to be doing anything other than standing there. The man's arms are down
00:54:28
to his sides, right? And no gun in the hand or anything. He says that he saw something dark in
00:54:33
the man's hand, right? But and the man turns and looks at him. Now, at this point, Henry Wiggins is a little
00:54:41
more than a hundred feet away from from the man and from the body. Okay? And he sees Henry Wiggins and he doesn't
00:54:48
like take off in a sprint. He just kind of briskly walks away. Um, and at this point, Henry Wiggins, he he gets down
00:54:57
because he's he's worried now that the man has seen him and he may come after him. Um, so it's it's phoned in that uh
00:55:06
that there has been an attack and very quickly within minutes the the police department arrive on the scene
00:55:16
and they are quick to close off the the exits and entrances to this toe path. you would have to take uh you know sets
00:55:24
of stairs to get down there. And they they block off all of these entrances and exits. And during the course of this
00:55:34
time, they have sent out the description of the man that they are looking for. They're looking for an African-American
00:55:40
man wearing a dark dark hat, dark trousers, and a and a light colored jacket. So, this is within just about 10 minutes
00:55:49
to 15 minutes of the of when the gunshots are originally heard. Now, the police are searching the area
00:55:57
and they've they've supposedly got it all blocked off, right? And so, if the killer is still in the area, he's got no
00:56:05
room to escape. He he's he's trapped and they're going to find him. They're going to find him if he's still
00:56:12
there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they they locate a man uh approximately a little after 1:00.
00:56:18
This is might even be closer to 1:15. They locate a man who is matching the description somewhat of the man that
00:56:27
they are looking for. The man that they see is a African-American man. He has um
00:56:34
similar clothes that was described in the call. Now, the man approaches the police officer. The crazy thing here is
00:56:43
though, this man is soaking wet. Uh, I guess it's not that crazy because they are near the water, right? But I mean,
00:56:50
he's he's soaking wet to the point of when the the officer asks the man to identify himself, he says that I am Ray
00:56:57
Crump. And not only that, he pulls out his wallet to produce his identification. And when he does that,
00:57:04
the the officer sees water noticeably dripping from the man's wallet. I mean, he was he was soaked.
00:57:13
Yeah. And why is he soaked? Uh, well, that's that's what the police want to know. The other thing here, too,
00:57:19
is the officer notices that the man's zipper on his pants is down or his fly is open.
00:57:27
Um, now here's the thing. They ask him where he is, you know, where he was and what he's been doing um for the past
00:57:35
hour. And he he says that I that he was fishing. Yeah. And he had he was falling asleep on one
00:57:43
of the rocks and because he was down there drinking and fishing and at some point he had fallen asleep and fallen
00:57:50
into the water. And now the officer asked him, you know, where where is your fishing gear? You know, where's your rod
00:57:57
and reel and your tackle box? And he says, well, I don't have any of that because all of
00:58:03
that fell into the water as well, and I was not able to to retrieve that. And the main look, you could go fishing with
00:58:11
just a pole. So the the main thing is my pole is in the water, right? And the officer does, he asks the uh man
00:58:20
to take him to where he was fishing so that he could help him retrieve the fishing rod. They go down to the rock
00:58:28
and and Ray Crump says, you know, this is where I was and um you know, this is where I've fallen in. and they look and
00:58:35
they don't see any obvious signs of a fishing rod. Um, the man is arrested. Yeah. Well, I think I think the cop was
00:58:46
going, "Hey, show me this spot. Show me where you fell in the water." Cuz that's
00:58:51
pretty odd. And keep in mind, he's being arrested because, you know, one, his story isn't
00:58:58
matching. it it isn't adding up to the officer first of all and second of all he matches the description of the man
00:59:06
that they were looking for. Now at this point though he is minus he is minus a coat he is minus the jacket and minus a
00:59:13
hat. Um so they arrest this Mr. Trump. And the the thing here though is this is where we immediately start to see some
00:59:26
discrepancies in the description of the man that they went looking for, right? And the man that they have in custody.
00:59:34
Well, and the man they're looking for, we don't know if that is the killer. We just were looking for the guy that
00:59:42
the tow truck the tow truck driver um saw standing over Mary's body. Yes. And a and a a more complete
00:59:51
description of the man that that uh Henry Wiggins had seen standing over the dead woman's body is he had seen an
00:59:58
African-American man uh between the height of 5'8 and 5' 10 in tall, approximately 185 lbs, wearing a dark
01:00:07
plaid cap, light beige jacket, dark trousers, and dark shoes. Now, Ray Crump, according to his driver's license
01:00:15
or to his identification, is 5' 3 and 1/2 in and he weighs 130 lb, soaking wet. 5 foot three.
01:00:24
5 foot three and 1/2 in. That's a tiny man. Mhm. Um, when he is arrested, they do note
01:00:32
that he uh they list him at 5'5 and a half inches. Apparently, he was wearing um shoes that he was wearing lifts
01:00:42
basically, like so he would appear to be of a more uh normal height, let's say. Um and he would he may have been closer
01:00:50
to 140 pounds at that time. So, police believe that they have their man, right? And the coroner report is going to note
01:01:00
that the the dead body, the dead woman that was found near the toe path was that of Mary Pincho and she had been
01:01:08
shot twice. She had been shot once in the head and once in the back. Now, the thing about the the shot that went in
01:01:16
her back was that it was angled at a way that it pretty much severed her uh aorta
01:01:23
and she was she had been killed practically instantly, you know, so she's not, you know, you heard the
01:01:30
screams. She's attacked. She's shot, according to Henry Wiggins, she's shot within 10 seconds or 20 seconds of of
01:01:37
each shot. And you know, she's not able to provide the police with anything once
01:01:42
they arrive because she's already passed. After arresting Mr. Crump, the the police continue to search the area.
01:01:51
Um they are now looking for his dark cap and his jacket. Uh they are able to locate items that match the these
01:02:01
descriptions. Um, however, what they're not able to find is a gun, right? Uh, and they never would recover a gun.
01:02:11
They would spend lots of time and lots of effort down there looking for the murder weapon. This is never retrieved.
01:02:19
Yeah. The Where do they find these, you know, where do they find the cap and the
01:02:24
jacket? Do they say where? Yeah. Um, I believe one of the items I believe it was the jacket they were
01:02:32
looking for in the water, right? Um, and Crump had said that he had lost it in the water or assume that it had
01:02:38
gone into the water and that was located in the water. Um, now the cap, I believe, was found on on the ground and
01:02:46
it was found um not near the actual murder scene uh but it was found uh closer to where he had said that he he
01:02:55
was fishing. Right now, they did they did a hair sample to determine that this was in fact his cap.
01:03:02
So, he was wearing a hat that day. Um, and this jacket was most likely his. Um, the the thing here is though, there's no
01:03:11
gun found, right? And one thing that the police did not do is they did not conduct any tests to determine if Trump
01:03:19
had fired a a gun that day. Um the reason being is they are saying that that was not necessary because when they
01:03:27
found him he's soaking wet. Um and this this would make the the test appear to be negative regardless of the actual
01:03:36
truth. Um yeah uh they should have done the test. You're exactly right because because they even found that if you uh
01:03:47
you know even if you shower, even if you you know use soap and all that stuff that it normally this test still is
01:03:54
positive if you shot a gun that day. And you're exactly right and that's why they should have conducted the test
01:04:00
because you know the masses know generally now more about how these procedures work and and the things that
01:04:07
you should do when when a crime is committed and when you're investigating it. I think back then it might have been
01:04:12
a little easier to kind of just tell, well, we didn't do this because of this, and the the general public may not know
01:04:18
any better to question it again. Uh, but you're exactly right. There have been plenty of people that have suggested and
01:04:24
and said that, you know, we've found that even after someone has fired a gun, they could wash their hands a dozen
01:04:31
times. Yeah. And we're still able to detect the firing of a weapon. About 24 hours after
01:04:39
the crime was committed and after the arrest of Ray Crump Jr., a man uh identifying himself as Army Lieutenant
01:04:47
William Mitchell goes to the police. This is October 13, 1964. He goes to the police and he says that he was running.
01:04:55
He was a jogger and he would normally take a run and he had run past Mary Meyer uh on the CNO canal path, tow path
01:05:03
in Georgetown. Right. This is just a short time before her murder. Uh he claims that he had seen an
01:05:11
African-American man matching the description of Ray Crump Jr. who had already been arrested the day before. Uh
01:05:19
that this man was following Mary. Um this this would add to um the the police already, you know, this would bolster
01:05:30
their speculation that Ray Crump Jr. was in fact guilty of of the death of Mary Pincho Meyer.
01:05:36
Right. What do we have here, Captain? We have We have a a woman age 43 2 days before
01:05:44
her birthday on October 12th, 1964. Beautiful lady. That's right. Respected woman, mother,
01:05:52
artist. She goes out, takes a break from work as she normally would do every day
01:05:57
of the week and go for a long walk, maybe to catch some fresh air or some inspiration for her art.
01:06:03
And during that that walk, she is attacked. She's shot twice. Uh, according to the coroner report, she's
01:06:10
drugged about 25 ft. Well, she dies dies instantly. And dies instantly. Um, shot in the
01:06:17
head, shot in the back, dies instantly. And the police block off the area after receiving the call from uh the tow truck
01:06:25
driver. And now they are pursuing an African-American man. They locate this man named Ray Crump Jr. who is
01:06:34
he's wet, right? He's he's wet, soggy dog. His flies undone. His his story does not
01:06:42
match up. He's saying that he got drunk while he was fishing alone, fell asleep on the rocks, and
01:06:48
fell into the water. Um, now we have him in custody and we have um a man that comes forward saying that
01:06:56
he saw Crump or a man matching Crump's uh description following Mary Meyer just shortly before her death. Now, this
01:07:05
is a murder case that would go on to be covered by many different people uh time
01:07:10
and time again uh for decades. and well her connection with the president but also with her connection with the
01:07:18
higherups in Washington and not not only that her strange murder and the you know if if that's where if
01:07:24
that's where this story left off then or I mean if that's where this story ended
01:07:29
right here this story wouldn't have been uh covered by so many different people for years. There's a lot more to this
01:07:35
and what's going to come out in the trial is very interesting. You're going you're going to hear reasons why the
01:07:40
prosecution say that Ray Crump Jr. is guilty. And there are some curious reasons why he might just be innocent of
01:07:48
this crime. All right, we'll cover that in part two. Do we have a recommended reading?
01:07:53
We do have a recommended reading. Let me dig through my notes here. This week's recommended reading, we have Mary's
01:08:00
Mosaic. Uh this is the CIA's conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pincho Meyer, and their vision for world peace.
01:08:09
This is by Peter Janney. Uh, and this was originally published in 2012, so it's pretty fresh stuff. Uh, but there
01:08:17
has been a more updated version which does include new evidence and never-beforeseen government documents to
01:08:24
further corroborate this the conspiracy to assassinate JFK and Mary Pincho Meyer. And Peter Janney actually knew uh
01:08:32
Mary Meyer. He was friends with um with her son that was killed in the car accident. Um
01:08:40
so very interesting child childhood friend of her yeah of Michael Meyer. Now so you can
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little love and uh we appreciate it. And a big happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. Captain, you
01:09:28
looking forward to Thanksgiving? You earlier you said it's just another Thursday. It's just another Thursday.
01:09:33
Well, I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping for turkey as well as a honeybaked ham. Uh, and plenty of beer
01:09:38
to go with it. Maybe a Dallas Cowboys victory. Ezekiel Elliott like 300 touchdowns if that's even possible. Uh,
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but big happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. Be safe, be good, be kind, and don't live.
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