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[Music] can you explain to me what kind of experience that is to be up there searching for your sister it's it's hard
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to put in words um I definitely get some I get a certain feeling every time I go
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up to the area and it's hard to explain the feeling that I get but I remember the first time I went up
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not the first time but one of the one of the Early times I went up and Kathleen my older sister Kathleen
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and I went to the tree at the ribbon tree where the Saturn was found and we did it at 7 30 we were trying to
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replicate the conditions and I just kind of wanted to like put myself in the same
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position that she would have been think about what I would have done and I like in my mind I'm thinking to myself
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like I'm talking to her I'm like Mara okay the car the car the airbags just went off
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um The windshield's Cracked this bus driver stopped and asked me if I want the police to come I'm freaking
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out what am I going to do am I gonna run up the road why do you why do you think
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she didn't just get in the bus with Butch I and that's another question I don't know like I don't know why I mean I
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think she was I think which came up upon her quickly before she was able to figure out what her plan was gonna be
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right I think she needed some time to like get her bearings I mean her windshield was cracked she may have even
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hit her head I've always wondered if you thought she would take off running I think maybe
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because I I've been friends with a lot of long distance Runners and when they tell you that they're going out for
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their daily run they're not going out for three miles they might go out for 15. and so for her
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or anybody with her capabilities to be able to take off in a moment's notice and and go
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well uh yeah I didn't want that guy to help me I don't know what I'm gonna do maybe if I just run up the road I'll
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find a gas station or something yeah and the other thing was that night was pretty cold I I think it was 26
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degrees um and it was 7 30 on February so it was dark right very dark um well I mean is is that even a
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possibility or that she would take off uh running or yeah so I've I've thought about this I've had I've had a lot of
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time to think about different things and that's one of the things things I think about often and I I try to put
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myself in her shoes back then so that area tomorrow in 2004 was not this sketchy shady area she loved that area
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when we went up there camping twice a year we never ran into sex offenders we never ran into people
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that were trying to hurt us or kidnap us everything was positive so she's up in this area and she's got these mountains
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and it's snow and just she was in a you know a good space um or I think she was in a good space
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she just wanted to clear her head and um get this reinstatement fee taken care of or whatever the reason is and so she
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wasn't I don't think she was afraid she was pretty Fearless actually and so I think she could have said you
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know what I'm just gonna yeah I'm gonna run down the street and figure this out so
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it's possible that she could have thought that she could have done that do you believe she was drinking and driving
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again I don't know is that something that she did before that you knew about I mean I don't I mean we're talking
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about a 21 year old so yeah of course I know that she drank um I don't think she would have
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been that Reckless to try to to get hammered and drive that road so I don't think she was hammered but did she have
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anything to drink maybe was she drunk I don't know right so we know she stopped at the ATM and we know that she bought
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booze right yes what booze do we know that she bought because that's where it gets very
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complex to me so she's telling her teachers in school hey I'm going to be gone it's not even certain that she's
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saying she's going to be gone for a week right she's just saying I'm going to be gone
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there's a fair family emergency and then so she goes to the ATM well the ATM kind of makes some sense because
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back in the day you couldn't pay a lot of those tickets online and if you most of the time
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um at DMVs or bmvs you had to pay in cash so that that kind of makes sense yeah but they're buying the booze like
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a decent amount of booze doesn't make a lot of sense to me because even if she's
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just spending one day there you know I'm gonna spend one day there I'm gonna pay
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my ticket then I'm going to go to my father's house was your father the kind of person that you could show up with
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bottles of booze and be like hey Dad I got bottles of booze let's have a party you know well yeah I
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mean my dad he wouldn't have cared but that it was my mom's house so my parents were divorced so right um your dad's
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house but yeah I know no that's no problem um but my my mom nobody in my family would have been like
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would have been upset that she had booze um no um but what I can say is what was what was left in
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in the car so we we do know that she went to the liquor store um in around UMass and we the police
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have a receipt of what she purchased um and then I do know what was left in the vehicle
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um and so there was a box of Franzia wine that was opened um in the back seat behind the driver's
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seat there was a 12 pack of sky blue wine coolers um and then this is where people get
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people have gotten this wrong for 16 years but people said she bought um Bailey's
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which is partially true she did buy Bailey's but she only bought one of those little nips right
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um those little two dollar one dollar nips a daily um so she didn't have a full bottle of
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of Bailey's so without saying too much that's what was left in the car so is there other
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things that were left in the car that you think are helping law enforcement and the family with the investigation
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yes and there was other things not left in the car right so items items possibly from the
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booze list that weren't found in the car yes okay that's interesting what what does the booze mean to you uh
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it means that um mudslides were her favorite drink of choice or no um black Russians White Russians is it
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white Russians this is a drinking show this is a drinking show I know is it's not good for CrossFit it's too much
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sugar and it's gonna affect my friend time so I can't have it this is why you have a clean room
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um no but what I mean buy it is I'm going anybody why would you buy a certain level of booze
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yeah so what I'll what I will say is some of the booze that in the car was purchased previously so
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it's just booze that she had yeah so just like extra booze and when you don't have a
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lot of money in your uh college kid and you've got some extra booze and you're trying to go on this trip why buy more
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just just use up the what you got any thought in your head that she was with somebody uh I'd I'd be very upset if she
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was and that person hasn't said anything not a single word to anybody in 16 years
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yeah because when when I've showed um or broke down some of the again not a lot of the speculation from
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what happened before the record speculation after the wreck but just this is what we know from the actual
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crash site and then you have a neighbor calling in 9-1-1 and they have reported about this
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man smoking which people have come up with different speculations that it was a light on her cell phone
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but every investigator that I've brought that up to has said oh I want to know who was smoking by the car
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and I said well I think most people have looked into that and they've come up with explanations but just because some
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people on the internet came up with some explanations doesn't mean that there wasn't a guy smoking by that car that
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night yeah I agree with you and it's actually one of the few pieces of actual evidence that we have because in the
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dispatch log it says man smoking a cigarette right in the dispatch log yeah so and and then we can come up go ahead
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I was gonna say then people then State well that she kind of changes her story later and I go well isn't the
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most accurate Story the one that she told and what they wrote down immediately that'd be logical you'd
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think so I mean we don't have much evidence in this case we don't have we're not privy to much
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much evidence but that is one thing that's in black and white that so I say you know I say I don't think
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she was with somebody for the entire trip um but maybe when the accident happened
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somebody showed up smoking a cigarette yeah somebody could have got it out of their car somebody could park their car
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for a second got out walked up smoking a cigarette I mean there's multiple podcasts just
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about your sister there's books been written by your sister but your initial thought when that stuff is happening
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well my initial thought is I'm thrilled I'm thrilled that that my sister has the
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amount of attention that she does have I'm thrilled and I'm I know that not every missing person case gets the
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attention that Mara has gotten where where I start to become less thrilled is when the motivation behind
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some of these people kind of takes a turn for more towards the selfish side um and away from
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actually trying to find more listen I will talk to anyone I will help anyone I will answer any questions if it will
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help find Mara but to entertain some of the ridiculous theories based on no evidence whatsoever
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uh to Crucify My Poor Dad to just drag people through the mud because they may have once looked at Mara
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you know in a random room one one time it's just not right so there's been a some allegations against Bill
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Bill Roush which was Mara's boyfriend there's been some accusations against him and he is going to be facing a trial and
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it seems like his life went and maybe not such a great Direction after The Disappearance of your
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sister has that stuff change your opinion on how he should have been looked at well I
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what I'll say is my opinion of bill has never changed um from when I first met him I
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I stated that opinion most people know that that's my opinion um but that that opinion was based on his
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actions when he was um a young 20 21 22 however however old he was right um do I think he physically harmed Mara
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no because I don't have any evidence of that I she never once said hey Bill is abusive towards me
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um and I've even told Bill this directly uh that if if I thought that he had hurt
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Maura I I would I you know I just I said I would have hurt you um then I met you and I know that you could
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probably hurt bill [Music] yeah and I'm probably gonna get crucified for that but I mean I just I
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and and Bill knows Bill knows me I've known bill for 20 years um I I'm not a lawyer I'm not a judge I
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don't know how to interpret charge sheets or any of that kind of stuff um so I don't want to speak about the the
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mistress or the affair the current situations um but what I will say is that I I'm I
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don't consider anyone cleared and I I encourage and and want people to look at everyone look at
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me look at I mean no one's no one's cleared uh until we find more I've always thought Bills
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should be looked at pretty hard I mean come on it's the husband the boyfriend always
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did it but it's hard to put him in New Hampshire impossible impossible he would look at his phone records he was
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he was in Oklahoma he was in the Army you can't just you can't just go where you want to go could
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he have could he have been off post in Oklahoma yeah of course certainly but could he have been in New Hampshire
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there's no way right so then it just leads to this idea that that possibly wherever she was going uh he he met up
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with her later has been the new speculation yeah well that that's hard for me to believe
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because I actually know what happened when he was there and right during the searches he was with my dad and my dad
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gave him specific directions hey I'm gonna go meet with law enforcement or I'm gonna go search this area I I
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need you and and your dad Bill's dad Bill senior to go check out this bus stop or gas station in Maine because my
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dad couldn't be going to Maine and Vermont and almost up to the Canadian border because he had to be there to
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talk to people that may need to identify something of hers or um he just needed to be there
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um so he would send Bill on these missions to go check out different things pass out flyers but to my
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knowledge I mean bill was with someone he he flew in he didn't even have a car yeah well and not just with somebody
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who's normally with his parents but I do like what you said I I think until she has found
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everybody should be looked at you know simpler as that and if they have nothing to uh hide and
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people actually do the work base those theories off of actual evidence then then everybody can be
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looked at again and and everybody should welcome that as well because it seems like we have a seven minute window
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from the time she crashed to the time that police showed up and and we have a girl gone
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it's it's pretty hard to wrap your head around that and and the fact that nobody
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everyone looked away I mean there was plenty of neighbors around and everyone looked away at the exact
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time that Mara disappeared off the face of the planet um but I mean as far as as far as bill
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is concerned and and theories are concerned um I want to just touch on this notion
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that I have a narrative to um push and I I always wonder about that because what
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would my narrative be what what narrative would I possibly push like but am I protecting someone
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that I think hurt or harmed or has my sister right is that my narrative well you're still mad about being the ball
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girl right yeah you had to go back to sorry you know just when you think we're gonna be
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serious we gotta throw no but it's serious but that's that's truthful and I I think like you were
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saying calling out certain people for having motives for why they're talking about your
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sister's disappearance why they possibly wrote about your sister's disappearance
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and and then for people to accuse you of having some motive and like like I said like
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her name to be on I want it to be on every major News Network right now and just put a picture
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up there and be like Mara Marie missing of course I want that that would help hopefully help someone remember
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something or remember seeing her or something it's when you're you're just wildly speculating to make a good
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story [Music] yeah so you you want people talking about your sister you want people
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talking about her disappearance and pretty early on you guys were contacted by an author that was
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interested in writing about your sister and her disappearance which something like that could really
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create conversation and get people talking and and really be a a good tool to utilize and searching for
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your sister yeah and and initially initially we were and we were intrigued and we're like wow this this could be
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this could be huge um but also part of me was thinking well the story's not over
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um right so it's ha it's going to be half a book unless in writing the book we can find we can
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find some evidence or find actually find Mara and so that was that was hopeful for us and we go through these ups and
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downs of just clinging on to some something to to keep us going um but when we we started looking into
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it and we we didn't just say oh yeah let's let's do this we we actually do some research
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um and we researched um the individual and found out that some of the previous um I'll say projects He was a part of
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the family one particular family didn't have the greatest things to say did your
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family reach out to their family and say hey we were contacted by this individual
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and um I believe I think think it may have been Helena Helena was is my Dad's cousin she passed away unfortunately but
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she was instrumental at the beginning of keeping the case going I believe she was
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the one that was initially contacted I could be wrong on that but she did most of the legwork on it and was a little
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skeptical and that's kind of where it kind of opened our eyes to to look at who are these people coming out of the
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woodwork like I don't know I I don't know this person at all even if that little speculation just becomes hey well
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maybe not right now that doesn't mean not ever but maybe not right now yeah but it seems like some of these people
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then also got offended yeah and then that became that became that became a story there's a storyline
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right there oh man the family doesn't want a book like no we do we want all the publicity we
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can get like did you see my dad screaming at the steps of the courthouse New Hampshire for the FBI like that's
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not what what a dad who's hiding things does it's just no I don't yeah you don't you don't scream
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at law enforcement if you're trying to hide something um right so it was you know it was just
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us saying okay we we want this but this may not be the particular approach that we want to go with or the particular
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person I don't know if we didn't know the person and we didn't know if the same thing was going to
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happen to us as what had happened to other people that had interactions with the person I mean it has to be so odd on
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some level though that your sister goes missing and you're very close with her and it's
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I mean you can look up all these lists and it's always on these lists of either most mysterious disappearance or
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internet crazed cases that has to be odd on some level it's very odd especially especially for
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me because I am I'm pretty much as introverted as you can get and awkward and I don't like this Spotlight I don't
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I'm not the most articulate person I'm not the worst but I'm I'm not definitely not the best and you're not the best at
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free throws um and I said I'm like ball girl and I'm just yeah it's it's not what I want but
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I've realized that I have to do this it's hard for me it is it is hard for me um to force myself to do some some of
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these things that I normally would would not do I mean yes I was in the military
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yes I was a an officer in the Army and I had to do these things but it was structured and I had a reason and you
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know I had training and most of the things that happened it's learn as you go there's no
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guidebook nothing can prepare you for this I'm still learning um right and it's it's not easy how often do you
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feel like because we met at crime con and and it was like all weekend Oh you gotta meet Julie you gotta meet Julie
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and I I keep on thinking like you're like The Wizard of Oz or something like you know like when is she gonna appear
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um and then you appear and of course I'm like oh great she's a she's a stoic so I
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I get real awkward around still because I talk more uh so anytime I I made a uh somebody that
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talks less than me then it's just Off to the Races and but but I was thinking um
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because like a couple people I said yeah well I'm hoping to meet meet Julie here
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and um talk to her about her sister and people kept on asking me what I was gonna say
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and I thought that was strange because I was like I'm not meeting her at a funeral or
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awake but I've also seen family members that are trying to get their cases heard
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by people and get the spotlight on those cases um where I've heard people talk to them as
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if it's like a funeral does that make any sense yeah it makes perfect sense and I'm just
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a regular person I mean well clearly you're not you uh well I do CrossFit so yeah I have my little my little quirks
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but I mean um I wish people would would just come up to me and talk about about normal stuff
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and and you know this is not new to me so a lot of times when people first find out
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about it um because there are a few people left that don't that have never heard of
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marmari I'm trying to change that but for people that that just hear about the case yeah you're right they come up to
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me and they they they're like I feel so sorry for you and it's like I've lived this this is my
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life for 16 years like um it's not new for me um and I and I appreciate them because I
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know it's hard for them too like they don't know what to say um but I want people to know and if you
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you know you see me walking around at crime con or whatever and you have a question about you know the the
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Londonderry ping or the red truck or all the different crazy um things we have going on in this case
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just just ask me about that and I love that I love and I love to talk about Mario but I mean just some
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sometimes does it just hit you in a different way I mean like when they showed you the ATM footage of her
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yeah oh yeah absolutely like um after the oxygen show I had to go on to Dr Oz um
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not I didn't have to I was fortunate enough that he was going to cover the case and I was thrilled to do it and I
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was scared to death to do it and you know here I am like this tough person and I just lost it like I normally keep
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it together but I couldn't like I just lost it and I'm like I was embarrassed but I'm like no
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I'm not embarrassed it's like it just it was real and it you can you can see it's
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real and I let kind of let that stoicism go for like a minute and then you'll see
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me like get get it back together and yeah so there are definitely times where things hit me like what hits me the most
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is when I am with my dad and I see him um talk about Mara or like I see his reaction to things that's the
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hardest for me um and a lot of times well not a lot of times all the time people forget that my
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mom lived through this as well and and she passed away um to cancer and um you know she was fighting her own
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battle with the Cancer Treatments wow her daughter is missing and she wasn't able to
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go up there and be as present um as obviously she would have liked uh and so it was very hard for me to see
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my mom go through that and eventually pass away without ever knowing what happened to her daughter yeah my parents
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had a not a good divorce right but if but if something like this happened I think they would want to be able to
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support each other so I feel like that she probably not only about not being on a cert search but
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probably seeing the effect that it had on your father because like we you know we've been covering
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cases for four or five years and that's the stuff that gets me all the time is like
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there to me there's a there is evidence out there too and just the way the way in which people say things and there's
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been videos of your father that have just just crushed me you know and to think I
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don't even know I don't know what's like like how that would feel to be him um and does not have answers and not only
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that but it just doesn't feel like in this case um it's almost like they they viewed your
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father in a negative way because he was wouldn't shut up about it and it doesn't seem like they've been
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that um cooperative I don't know if that's the correct terms to use um but it seems like almost like initially
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law enforcement was putting up barriers and I don't know if that has changed since the
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the documentary came out yeah well I I'm I'm happy to say that I did have a couple
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um sit-downs with Chuck West who is from the Cold Case unit the lead detective um any like I said before he has shared
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some information with me um but if my dad would have just accepted accepted whatever law enforcement said
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or accepted their you know the results of their searches and never went up every weekend by
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himself then this case would would I wouldn't be on here with you I mean this is all this is because of my dad
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that we're still talking about um a missing girl 16 years later is there anything new
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that has come out that anybody should know about there I can tell you there are there is
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a lot happening um you can't tell me any of it can you well no I can I mean I can no I'm not uh
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I'm I don't need to well I mean some of it they might have asked you to not share with other people
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yeah exactly so I mean people think the Case is dead and you know the online community feels a certain way
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I appreciate the online community but the actual case is is moving and there's things happening and there's people
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that are apart so so much a part of this case that have no presence on social media that you would fall over
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um to know that how hard some people are working behind the scenes and then you don't even know their names
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um because that's because they're in it to find Mara um not to say that people that who you
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do know their names aren't um but there there is a small group that just wants no attention and just wants to help
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solve this case um so I say that to say that um things are happening all the time I
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spend hours on this every day responding to emails um talking to people I call my dad every single day
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um and we talk about the weather and then we talk about his flowers and then we talk about Mara every single day
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um there are some things that that I'm not able to talk about right now but I will
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be able to talk about in the future but it's definitely things that are giving us hope but but anything new that you
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can share well um one of the new things is uh in the previous searches that we did with
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the GoFundMe money that was raised by um after the I forget which crime con it was but Maggie Tim and Lance put
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together a GoFundMe um and initially I said I don't want to be the financial custodian of any of
00:35:51
that type of things because I don't want people to say the Murrays are going on Disney vacations with yeah I mean just
00:35:57
ridiculous stuff I mean you know how the internet is um so we use that money to do several
00:36:04
different searches of several different properties many of which Tim and Lance and other
00:36:10
people have talked about on their podcast so I'm talking about ground penetrating
00:36:14
radar I'm talking about cadaver dog searches things like that but we weren't able to do were
00:36:22
testing of of those samples that we collected so I just recently pushed a another GoFundMe out there
00:36:33
and I'll send this to you um and that is to get those samples tested yeah so we we've got plenty of
00:36:40
samples now we just need to take it to the next phase which is testing and we actually found
00:36:47
um uh location that is going to do some of this testing for us at a fraction of the cost
00:36:53
and that's kind of the Catalyst behind the new GoFundMe the other thing is people ask me all the time what can I do
00:37:01
what can I do and I always tell them we'll just talk about Mara and which people are doing and and I appreciate
00:37:07
that but there are some people that you know maybe are in a different part of the country or even the world I mean
00:37:13
this case is huge um and so it gives them an opportunity to feel like they're contributing
00:37:19
um in even a small way [Music] foreign yeah so if you guys would like to donate we'll put a link on our social media on
00:37:34
our Twitter and Facebook at True Crime garage and a lot of times in these cases you know there are people that are
00:37:42
wonderful and they come forward and they want to offer their services or their time to help out the family
00:37:48
but a lot of times these families need things that can only be covered with funds with actual paper money and that
00:37:55
is things like travel cost whether it be that they need to get experts involved there's a million different reasons why
00:38:01
that would be important so anything that you can do to help would be especially wonderful in this case it's been 16
00:38:10
years now we're looking for answers yeah and we were able to donate 500 bucks from the show from the beer fund because
00:38:18
of all you filthy animals so what are your thoughts uh after hearing the interview with Julie
00:38:26
yeah so obviously this is people people don't know how we kind of did this uh some people know that I was gone for a
00:38:33
while and cover in some cases in Florida and we've been quite busy and you were able to sit down with Julie and she's
00:38:43
first of all thank you to her there are a lot of people that like would like to speak with her and thank you for
00:38:50
choosing our show to be one of the shows that you come on to to help clear up some of the things misconceptions and
00:38:57
also really just to provide more of the story of who her sister was is and what was going on in her world at this time
00:39:07
leading up to her disappearance because with this case there are so many questions about
00:39:14
what would have been Mara's motives even if they were totally innocent right about what she was doing at the time
00:39:21
when she went missing I mean you you could cut this case a hundred different ways and there's speculation and there
00:39:29
are things that you could suggest point to your theory or point to what you think happened here
00:39:37
I found some of the things that she said to be interesting I I don't know that it
00:39:41
cleared up a lot of the questions that I have in this case and I don't know that
00:39:45
Julie would be able to do that just they're they're living different lives they're they're not walking hand in hand
00:39:52
through this world together at this time in Mara's life the question always will be
00:39:58
why was she in that area and why did she go there now obviously that might not have been her destination
00:40:08
but that's where she ended up for whatever reason where was she going I think that the the thing that she
00:40:15
pointed out in the interview and this is something that you told me about a while
00:40:18
ago and I don't know when it became public knowledge about this reinstatement fee for her driver's
00:40:25
license I like that theory I like it for several reasons it sounds like it's it's a plausible Theory it's a
00:40:33
logical Theory and it's also it sounds like Julie is providing us with information that would require
00:40:40
Mara to need to actually have the the use of a driver's license at that time I mean anybody who lives on a college
00:40:49
campus you lose your driver's license you don't got the money to reinstate it you don't got the ability to do so you
00:40:55
don't want to ask Dad for help I get it you you can just figure out a way to get around on that college campus
00:41:01
it sounds to me like there was an absolute need for her to have this driver's license
00:41:06
but then I run into the some of the simple questions that come along with that theory
00:41:14
one where did she lose the license from or where was it being threatened to be taken away from
00:41:22
why is this just coming out recently you know that that's the type of thing that there's a paper trail
00:41:30
and and I'm a little confused on the details none of you know I don't have any of the
00:41:36
details from from our interview or from the the conversation that was had regarding that that portion or or the
00:41:46
theory itself yeah and to break it down this ticket Theory simply is that she got that ticket on vacation she had to
00:41:54
appear in court within 30 days she did so there was because she was speeding it was a 99 and a 65. that's not good Bob
00:42:04
that's not good Bob and why are you uh this is a girl that's not good with cars they revoke her license she is
00:42:14
going to have to pay a reinstatement fee it's believed that she would have to pay
00:42:19
this reinstatement fee because not every bnv will actually do reinstatement fees
00:42:25
so your county might have multiple bmvs but maybe only one location where you can pay that fee it seems like she would
00:42:32
have had to pay that fee in Concord as I like this theory in it and I do believe people should spend more time on
00:42:40
this Theory because there is some logic to it you pointed out something that I find very interesting
00:42:47
well I we were talking and you were filling me in on the details about this reinstatement fee and look this is very
00:42:55
plausible I'm not challenging anything that Julie says I I like her I've met her too and I'm thankful that she sat
00:43:02
down and spoke with you um I'm also not really challenging I'm I'm a guy that Captain you know this
00:43:10
this is pretty rare for me but I don't really have a theory one that I'm married to in this case as
00:43:17
far as Mars case goes I think that there's some unanswered questions there's too many loose ends
00:43:23
here but I love these ideas if we can come up with some information that will kind of clue Us in and lead us down a
00:43:30
different Road or to the answers to clear some of these things up that's great that's where we need to go as far
00:43:36
as podcast internet sleuthing All That Jazz goes right well and and to be clear Julie says this is a possible reason
00:43:45
that she's up there again right this this would put her about an hour and a half north of where she would have had
00:43:52
to pay the ticket so I believe the theory is that she was going to go up to an area which she was familiar with
00:44:00
spend the night because obviously after five o'clock normally a lot of these bmvs close so go drive a little past
00:44:09
maybe get some booze maybe stay up there for the night come back down in the morning pay the ticket and then go back
00:44:17
to your mother's house I look and I don't want to misquote somebody else's Theory that's just what
00:44:24
I'm speculating but it's very strange to me that should be an hour and a half right north of of the location of where
00:44:33
she had to pay the reinstatement fee especially with not having much money as a college student but again a lot more
00:44:41
to dive into with this case right and that's what we were kind of talking about off air just a second ago was that
00:44:47
she's she's much further north and not far enough east of where she needs to be if in fact that was her destination
00:44:55
right and I get look a lot of people are going to point out well she's traveling
00:44:59
at night you can't go pay these fees in the middle of the night I don't think anybody's disputing that she very well
00:45:05
could have intended to make the drive and then take care of business the following day she's
00:45:11
already told what we do know and she's already told people she's going to be gone for some days right so she very
00:45:17
well could have gone to take care of this during the daylight hours the next day and then made her way back it's it's
00:45:25
very curious to me though that she's so much further north than she needs to be and if you were going to make that
00:45:33
look if if that was her intention this is a business trip this is for her future this is part of her future if she
00:45:40
goes and purchases a new car to get registered on that car she's going to need to have a valid driver's
00:45:46
license right and if she thinks her is being told that her license has been revoked you don't have a valid driver's
00:45:54
license I also can't recall off the top of my head what years and I know it varies by state when you need to go and
00:46:00
apply for your license again or renew your license um you know she's only a handful of
00:46:06
months couple months away from another birth date so there could be a multitude of reasons why she's worried about her
00:46:12
driver's license that may have been revoked the problem is she's an hour hour and a half north an hour and a half
00:46:20
north of where she needs to be to reinstate that license the other thing that's curious to me too is the believed
00:46:27
phone calls that she made prior to leaving or internet searches she made prior to leaving were all for places in
00:46:34
Vermont and the quickest route to where her car crashed and from UMass of Amherst
00:46:43
would be up Route 91 and that kind of that kind of trails right along the the Vermont New Hampshire border there's a
00:46:52
big part of me that wonders if Vermont was actually the definition the destination regardless of how close it
00:46:59
was to the state line I also find something curious here too if she was going to make this a leisurely business
00:47:05
trip why does nobody else know about it and I get why Fred doesn't know about it okay
00:47:12
you're trying to get a car you're you are Daddy's girl you're not you're not doing anything wrong but he doesn't need
00:47:18
to know everything you are an adult and he might be helping you get this car maybe you don't want to give him one
00:47:25
more reason to not assist you getting this car I get that where I'm going with this is
00:47:31
to me she's buying enough alcohol for a party for more than one person for more than
00:47:38
just herself if that if if we can all get on board with that who is that other person where are these other people and
00:47:45
I also get the situation that you said maybe she's going to go get this reinstated the next day and then make it
00:47:51
over to her mother's house and stay there for a night or visit with Mom for a little bit and then make her way back
00:47:57
to college again where is that communication with mom maybe she was going to make that at a later time but
00:48:07
considered to be you know her home you know where it's like I drop in on my parents all houses all the time I'm not
00:48:14
calling them if I'm in the neighborhood I drop by I'm not calling them right uh that's still my home so
00:48:22
maybe not yeah but again why contact your mom and say well I gotta go pay this ticket what car are you driving the
00:48:28
Saturn I wouldn't do that um and you just think you can make it again my big question becomes like you
00:48:35
you were saying it's not only did you go buy booze but we know we have evidence that there's booze from
00:48:44
the prior weekend that she bought so it's it's old booze plus new booze that's seems like a lot of booze
00:48:52
um that that's the thing that doesn't make a lot of sense to me and again I still
00:48:58
go back to this smoker by the car which a lot of people are going to be dismissive of
00:49:04
uh but also I think one of the things that I I really want to put out you know a big um
00:49:13
why can't we all get along argument right now is there's a lot of people in this case that are that have
00:49:20
worked hard and spent a lot of time investigating it and it seems lightly they spend more time attacking each
00:49:28
other we might not agree on ideas we might not agree always on Theory theories and and me and you don't agree
00:49:37
a lot of times with cases but we still try to show each other a level of respect and there's sometimes that your
00:49:45
thoughts have altered my thoughts and to be open to that and I don't think people understand the harm
00:49:53
that it does because by putting out these false accusations against people or just constantly trying
00:50:00
to tear each other down it makes it turns people away from the case itself and from the fact that there
00:50:09
is a girl that's missing and that the family because I've talked to Julie I got to talk to her another two hours
00:50:16
and we wish we could have shared that information but it's information that's really close
00:50:22
with law enforcement and they don't want that information out there because it's
00:50:27
serious leads that they're following and serious people that they have under a magnifying glass and they don't want
00:50:34
to them to know that they're under a magnifying glass and when they need these experts to come
00:50:41
in they don't want these experts looking on the internet and seeing this case as a
00:50:46
joke because it's not a joke a family is missing their daughter and the family is
00:50:51
missing their sister and friends are missing their loved one and so this childish actions between people
00:51:03
I wish would stop because you're making a joke like I said of of a very serious case well thank you to you Captain for
00:51:11
conducting the interview a hundred thank yous to Julie for doing the interview and we want to wish the Murray family
00:51:19
the best of luck in their continued search for Mark foreign episodes of True Crime garage check us
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