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talk some true crime foreign [Music] louder is reported missing on October 1st 2014 and last seen on surveillance
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footage from Saturday September 27th the louder family organized a search for Kailyn that started at 2PM on Thursday
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the day after she was officially reported missing the family also hired a private investigator to help in the
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search now I do want to point out something here that the family really stuck to and I'm proud of them for doing
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so we often say and hear in our lives the actions speak louder than words and that was the situation regarding this
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missing person's case where the public perception was we have a young woman who appears to have a potential break with
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reality that could have been delusional and now she's missing and what I think we need to be aware of
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is here is a situation where I believe that the words were more important than the actions I believe that the words
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should have spoken louder and that is the louder family they State look what we see in this
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footage is actually her bending over to talk to her dog Phyllis saying come here
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go outside so we can use the restroom right and her brother parley says it doesn't matter how she went missing
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but really what is important is where she is she is still gone no matter what people's opinions are that's all we're
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here to do is to find her and they will find her but it is not the outcome that everybody was hoping for yes
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unfortunately on December 1st 2014 kailyn's body was found by workers they were working in the Jordan River now
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depending on which report you read this is approximately five or six miles from her condo Kalyn louder's body was found
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by a city worker who was inspecting drainage pipes in West Valley City Utah when he made a grisly Discovery the body
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was floating but mostly underwater in the Jordan River the body which police believe have been there for a very long
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time was obscured by leaves and other plant debris and then we have the autopsy findings
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after they confirmed that it was in fact Kalyn louder the autopsy the louder family they had to wait four months to
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learn how she died but the autopsy results are inconclusive and leave no closure for the family the family
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released the following statement regarding the medical examiner's report on kalin's death quote after waiting
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four and a half months kalin's family received the autopsy report it lists undetermined as her cause of death due
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to exposure to the water we knew this was a possibility but we are saddened not to have more information or closure
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her toxicology report indicated nothing fatal or illegal in her system Murray police officer Kenny bass said
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that determining cause of death will be very difficult extremely difficult the news devastated the louder family who
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held out hope for her safe return right then we made a statement that this type of
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autopsy is very famili Malik type work well possibly the the problem is you know we we talked so much on off the
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Record about the case against Adnan Syed the the four-part series on HBO right and the last episode was titled time is
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the killer well in this situation you you can look at the water is the killer for a number of reasons one is a
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possibility that she somehow had an accident and fell into the water and that took her life but
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you can look at it from another angle and go okay well we don't really know what happened something else could have
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occurred here and the water her time her body being in that water for that long right could have washed away any
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evidence and made it very hard to determine the actual cause of death well let's start with this question how far
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away is the Jordan River from her apartment or condo okay so I think the reason why you see different
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conclusions regarding the distance between her condo and where her body was found
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is if you were to drive the streets I believe it's 6.5 or 6.6 miles okay but as the crow flies
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it would be more like five five and a half miles maybe six tops that is still a long distance to
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carry a body let's say by foot not that far if you're carrying the body by car right so let's
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let's start to dive through some possible theories as to what could have happened to Kalin and one theory that is
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often discussed and this is kind of the number one go-to Theory here is the creek Theory so there's a creek
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that runs what you cannot see in that surveillance footage is there's a creek that runs right by her condo right and
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that Creek from my understanding from reports I've read feeds into this Jordan River
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so one theory that has been presented many times is could she have there there was bad weather from most reports that
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day not as bad as they report but there was bad weather there was rainy weather could you have a combination of bad
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weather and her running around maybe even acting erratically at times who knows and this ends up being some kind
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of very simple answer slipped into the creek and had some type of accident and eventually the creek
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carries her to the river right that's a possibility it's an interesting Theory but as John lordon points out on brain
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scratch him and his researchers did a very good job of pointing out look they showed pictures of several obstacles
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that would have been between her condo and where the body was eventually found and they're simply pointing out look how
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difficult it would be for the water to have carried her this far without getting snagged or caught on this
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obstacle here and then you go okay well maybe maybe it passed through that or got over that
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somehow and then they put point out another obstacle and then another obstacle and after a while you start
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going what's the likelihood that she makes it that far by just falling into the creek near her
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home the other thing that I want to point out here too is the argument that some people present is say they say well
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maybe she fell into the water much closer to where her body was found well her car was still at her condo right
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okay and for her to have traveled that distance on foot I've done the Google Map search I was I was flying around on
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there like crazy and I'm telling you this is a heavily populated area there's no one to say that they saw her well I
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want to say this to be very clear right there's no 100 percent proof positive eyewitness statement of somebody saying
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that they saw her anywhere near that area right and this is somebody would have seen her right and if she's acting
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erratically because let's say she gets there by foot well what does that mean then she had an
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accident there right why did she go there was she acting erratic and if she was we should have more eyewitnesses saying
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because she would have stuck out like a sore thumb well and other people would point to a
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possible suicide you know that maybe she ingested something to take her own life
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and put herself in the water before she died right um again the problem is all those
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obstacles that lie in the way and again the other problem is if she went into the water closer to where she's found
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there's no one to say that they saw her walking around mind you people have pointed out how strange they
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think it is that she's out walking around in a tank top jean shorts and no shoes in the rain on that surveillance
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footage therefore I feel like she would have stuck out like a sore thumb if she was walking the streets of town before
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she ended up in the water uh closer to the point where she was found well and another question that I have is there
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just seems to be when you look at the surveillance footage you hear all these rumors of how
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bad the weather was and then you see it on this footage and it doesn't look that bad it just looks
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rainy right and most the time look appears to be a light rain and again we don't have those time
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stamps but what we can do is whether it's general information you can go back and look up the reports and it is that's
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what we did I mean I well I looked up the weather reports for September of 2014 right all the way through October
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of 2014. and I do understand that she would have been in the water longer than that but
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the thing is regarding the day that she went missing so the weather report for that day on September 27th is
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rain at times the rain was considered heavy cloudy there was fog that day which I think adds to some of the
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thought that there could be an accident a misstep the visibility was not great at portions of that day so the fog
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lasted from 5 a.m almost to 6 p.m on that day and the rain lasted from 5 a.m to almost 6 p.m as well there was only
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heavy rain during the 11 A.M and 3 P.M hours the high that day was 65 the low was 56
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so the reports and everybody's saying man the weather was so bad that day there was so much rain so much thunderstorms I
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that doesn't seem to be the truth it doesn't seem to be the situation right and the then
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regarding that we did have some rain afterwards because I'm trying to look for a situation where somehow she ends up in
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the water and maybe the water levels are extremely high and the water was extra powerful the
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current was extra powerful and able to carry her through or past some of those obstacles yeah again it would make more
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sense if the dog was loose we have the dog the dog was left behind if it was a case where the dog ran away and we
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didn't know where the dog was I could then say well maybe the dog went a little too far off a path tried to chase
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after the dog and something bad happened but other than that why is she even going down there
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well and the other thing too is a lot of people asked the question was her condo
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when with the next person that someone next time that someone entered her condo was the condo found locked the door
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and the statement I could find was that the roommate said that the door was locked when she returned and the reason
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why I think people pose that question is they're wondering could she have just quickly run out left the door unlocked
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with the intention of returning and then somehow slipped into the water right and
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I think that's it's an interesting angle but the problem with that is even if the
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door was locked we have a statement from the family saying that they didn't find
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her keys so maybe she did lock the door behind her or as I kind of believe maybe
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she had intentions of going somewhere I know she's not dressed for the weather but maybe she had intentions of going
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somewhere or meeting someone any of that could be a possibility yeah and I wonder is she friends with anybody
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that lives in this unit I mean they say that there's six I think six units and so is she friends with anybody is she
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having any romantic relationships well and this is an area where there's going to be more than just those six units be
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it whether they're part of that condo complex or not right this area appears to me to be surrounded by other condos
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or apartments right but think about this way you're friends with somebody that lives a couple houses down or a couple
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maybe even blocks away and you're just going to grab your keys lock your door go hang out with them for a little bit
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come back and you could be in your house close no big deal you're going to go watch a
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movie or whatever well and there is some indication that she might have been well
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I don't want to say might have been heading to a friend's house on foot there's some indication that she had at
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least one friend that lived in another condo in that complex right and I want to be talking to them and and then also
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it just keeps drawing me back to that do we knows in that maroon car do we know who's
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responsible for that car because that to me is a little fishy that it shows up and disappears and then
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shows back up again in footage well we're gonna dive into that car big time I have some strong opinions on that
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vehicle but regarding the weather and regarding the situation of the water level for the creek and for the river
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um on the the 28th the day after there were scattered showers for part of the day
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on the 29th there was light rain for about three hours strong thunderstorms for one hour on the 30th light rain for
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about four hours and then on October 1st light rain for three hours and then we have no rain for about five days okay
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um so I can see a situation where the water level might be higher than normal however I'm not seeing a situation where
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we're having day after day of hard rain right and leading up to that leading up to her disappearance there's not a
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considerable amount of rainfall during that time either and I'm only you know I'm going out
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um 26 27 days before she went missing right but I don't want to rule out the possibility
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some to me it's less likely that there was some accident that she slipped and fell but if there was some kind of Foul
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Play I don't want to rule out the fact that they could have disposed of her body in that Creek and that could have
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led to the river I still think it's a possibility whether the weather was extreme or not it seems like there's
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definitely a lot of rain so therefore the water level should be a little bit higher which would make it easier for or
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more likely for a body to go from that Creek to the river well and the other thing too is there's
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a possibility that if someone if there was Foul Play involved and someone did dispose of her body in the water or in
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the creek itself they could have disposed of the body in the creek much closer to where it flows
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into the river right and that might potentially avoid a lot of those obstacles now here's the thing though I want to
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talk about one thing that I think is very key here is the family statement of saying that the toxicology report says
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that there was nothing harmful nothing fatal nothing illegal found in her system right that makes me wonder about
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alcohol well that's that's very important to me for a couple of reasons because when you
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find a body in the water and you have no known cause of death what that means is
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we're not seeing a lot of damage done to this body right we're not seeing obvious
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signs of skull fractures or cut marks or anything of that nature well right and some of the wounds that
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she might have they might have a hard time determining if it's a wound or if it's something that was
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caused by the water well that's that's what I I'm kind of getting at here is that I think that the
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the mind immediately goes to well she could have taken something that could have killed her and then slipped into
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the water and they're saying they're outwardly saying that's not what the toxicology findings say or or suggest
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that did not occur so then you have individuals that will say well she could not have been murdered because there's
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no obvious signs of Foul Play there's no obvious signs of of damage to the body skull fractures Cuts things of that
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nature I would also argue though if she had an accident and slipped and fell into the water wouldn't you expect
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to see the same I mean we're talking about a situation where right you would think that there
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might be a head injury we're talking about a 30 year old strong woman who very easily I don't care what the
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current was at that time it's a creek it's a it's a creek it's not the river if she slipped into the creek near her
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condo she very likely without sustaining a severe head injury or some other type
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of severe injury could have very likely pulled herself out of that Creek well she's also five eight yeah so it's not
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like she's five foot tall and the water goes up five foot so there's a good chance she could have just stood you
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know to stand up yeah and you and you're safe so my where where some people point out the
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argument of she couldn't have been killed by someone because there's not these obvious signs of murder
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I would point out the same regarding a possible accident slipping into the water what about like the hyoid bone is
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that what it's called yeah the a break to the hyoid bone yeah because normally you find that during
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strangulation I think that would have been an obvious go-to yeah I think that that would have been a quick way to rule
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Foul Play in or out now if you find a hyoid bone intact does not necessarily mean that they couldn't have been
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strangled correct it just is you know again and then you wonder if there's bruising around the neck
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but that's that's where the water is the killer right because even if the water didn't kill her the water is hiding a
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lot of stuff here I agree but I think that's why it goes back in my mind to these phone calls is there somebody in
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our apartment is she acting erratically is she acting abnormal and the family is
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saying no and I understand that the family is going to lean to that probably anyways
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but I think if there was clear-cut decisive proof that she was acting strange you know you take like a you know Kanika
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Jenkins in Chicago walking around the hotel did her friends family everybody will
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say that's she was a walking strange acting strange looking like she was on something
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and in this case you have a family that's saying no and I just don't see the proof of it and
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and I thought I was going to I thought by diving into this case we're going to see tons of this and that's going to be
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the explanation and it's going to probably be some accident you know it's kind of a mixture between
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a Brian Shaffer case and a Lisa lamb and I just don't see evidence of that well one thing I want to point out here
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too is a case that we covered in what uh we no longer do seasons but I think we call this season two or if you were to
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look it up on on the Stitcher app for free it would be under 2016. okay where we covered Joey Le
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butte's case right Joey lebute disappeared from Downtown Columbus and he was eventually found his body was
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eventually found like 30 to 45 days I don't have the information in front of it but many many
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days afterward in the river and the thing is they could find no known cause of death no obvious cause of death to
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Joey because of the water and what what it does naturally to a body that remains in there for so long
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and with Joey's case no one no one has ever really suggested that we thought he might harm himself
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and so I think we have a situation here where we're looking at it from not you and I captain but some are looking at it
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from a different angle under a different light where they're saying well she could have harmed herself but yet the
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result is the exact same that we saw in Joey Le butte's case right so one thing I want to point out here
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that I do think is a little strange and maybe maybe the truth of it underneath of it all is not strange at all it's
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just we have no explanation for such right I'm going to go back to the surveillance video
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there are six of them now remember that I was quick to point out in two and at least two of them you
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see what appears to be a maroon or red car to the left of the screen on the left side of the screen slide to the
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left now knowing the layout and the Landscaping of that condo complex and the position of that surveillance camera
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I want to point something out here I I strongly believe that there's a very good chance
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that that car that appears to be maroon is actually a red car and it's on the left there and I say
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that because the position of the camera in relationship to the layout of the condo complex and the driveway there and
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the Landscaping on the left side there that's a heavily covered area there's a lot of trees there
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so where a vehicle that is in the light would appear to be red it may appear to be maroon when it's under the cover of
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those trees when it's in the shade of those trees and if you look very closely you can only see a little bit of the the
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plastic rims or you know the the hubcaps on the Wheel but those hubcaps appear to be very
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similar to the red car that we see later go into the garage right I actually think that there's a good chance that
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that car is one in the same and if that's the case I believe that that's the roommate that we see going out to
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the garage and entering the garage and then later we see the red car come in and park in a garage that's in the same
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place as where the roommate enters the garage and with there being no sound or no
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speculation or anything to go off of I almost wonder why were those two videos released to the public is that some kind
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of weird way of saying we don't know what was going on here but but what's up with this red car and
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what's up with the roommate what's up with that what's up with that yeah who we so that I found that to be a little
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strange and I bring that up for another reason too because in the in the one video I think it's in the second video
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where we see her running out and this is the one where people say she she's running from something and I said I
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believe her to be running to something and it looks to me like she might have something in her hand is it is it
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it's conceivable to believe that she might be jogging out to hand something off to the roommate or to who whoever's
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in her roommate's vehicle very possible because she runs over towards that red car
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right and it's out of frame at that point right and again we don't have any statements from the roommate telling us
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what was going on there was more going on whether it has something to do with the demise of this young woman or not we
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don't know but there was other things there were other activities going on that day and
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I I'm repeating this because I believe that some of her actions only seem to be strange or bizarre to us because we
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don't know what was going on I think a lot of those actions that are deemed strange or bizarre are very likely
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easily explained Away by very normal behavior right I I don't see most detectives of averaged to above
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average IQ looking at this evidence and telling me that she is in some form of psychosis or something it's just not
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likely [Music] foreign [Music] cheers mates cheers to you Captain I'm like we said before all this
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cheers mates cheers captain and like we said before all the links for the surveillance footage in the 9-1-1 calls
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will be on our website at truecrime garage.com so let's go back to her brother for a minute because his story's
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not done and I think because of some of the erratic behavior that people claim that they're seeing I think they're kind
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of tying it also to her twin brother because he has some situations in his life and I think they're trying to make
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those parallel well I might be trying to make them parallel I've not seen many people really connect the two but I
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think it's something that we should make sure that we point out because they're twins they have similar DNA makeup right
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I don't understand how science works but I'm smart enough to figure out that there's some similar DNA makeup right so
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this is from a news article and I'll just read the article for you and then we'll we'll kind of dive into it a bit a
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man who has been returned to prison a couple of times since his original incarceration in 2009 for manslaughter
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conviction is getting another chance at parole Colton Jesse louder aged 34 has been granted parole and will be released
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from the Utah State Prison louder was told at his last parole hearing that if he were to be released he'd either have
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to succeed or be locked up for life and will have some strict conditions for his
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release the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole has ordered louder to be put on a GPS ankle monitor for the first 90 days
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of his release and also be subjected to random drug and alcohol tests four times
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a month during that time louder was also ordered to abide by adult probation and
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parole's curfew and complete vocational training after he was paroled the first time he was
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convicted of a DUI just 13 months later and was sent back to prison in 2016. in 2017 he was sent back to prison again
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after being this is this is where you got to follow along here sent back to prison again
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after he believed a quote Stranger In the Shadows end quote told him to cut off his GPS ankle monitor this according
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to Utah Board of Pardons and Parole during his last parole hearing he was told that
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the decision to let him serve out the rest of his life term in prison or give him one more chance at Freedom was a
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difficult one they also noted that louder has continued to have the strong support of his family from his original
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Court proceedings through his latest parole hearing now Colton louder gave a statement in which he said quote I'm
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sure my family is sick of it I'm sick of it I can't imagine any rational normal person not being sick of it it's hard to
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look at your behavior and know how toxic it can be right how destructive it can be I want to start building a life that
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I'm proud of and I want to start building a life I wouldn't imagine sacrificing by being high now the board
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told louder it's clear when he drinks or does drugs he engages in high-risk behavior and they said you're going to
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have to be at not a drop of anything for the rest of your life the key thing that
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we gotta Circle in here on is the statement that he gives to the Board of Pardons and Parole
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when asked why he cut off his GPS ankle monitor yeah he says that he was told to
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do this by a stranger in the shadows yeah pretty strange pretty strange that there's stranger
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danger in the shadows yeah so as a situation where but I think that you know that's it's a leap
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because yes they're twins they got some similar DNA makeup yes of course they do
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but and they also have the same family history that's the probably the more important thing to hear as far as mental
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health goes but as far as Kalin goes we don't have any knowledge of drug use of her like heavy drug use we don't have
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her having run-ins with the law he has heavy drug use sometimes we all probably know somebody that got into
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drugs and that they're a shell over the person they once were it's almost like they broke their brain
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and so that's something that we have to take into consideration here wasn't a moment of psychosis possibly was that
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drug-induced possibly but have it go all the way down is it is it still possible that it was hereditary or
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some mental health issue and and does his sister have the same uh infliction well and then there were some posts
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by commenters on some of the armchair detective sites okay and these posters were saying that yeah there's this one
00:33:33
called uh we know a lot of shit.com there there were some posts that said or suggest that at some point Kalin was
00:33:41
seen either hiding from cars or trying to get into cars I couldn't find any news article
00:33:51
be it a reputable one or not right or even fake news that was saying that they had eyewitness reports of this occurring
00:33:59
my thought is I'm wondering if people see the surveillance video and then they're filling in some of the blanks
00:34:06
right so that leads me to to this here captain and this is some more disturbing information okay
00:34:17
we have Kalyn louder who went missing and then ultimately her body is found a couple months later
00:34:24
but we also have a young woman named Jerica Banks she's been missing from this same general area for more than 13
00:34:34
months she's still missing to this day now she went out for a jog actually not too far from where
00:34:41
Kailyn would have went missing from or is believed to have been missing from this young woman is 24 years old missing
00:34:49
since February of 2018 the one of the last areas the general vicinity where she was seen would have
00:34:57
been North Country Boulevard in Utah State Route 92 last seen around 1 30 p.m so daylight hours and this is only about
00:35:07
a 35 minute drive between the two distances of where where Jericho Banks was last seen and
00:35:14
where Kalyn louder was last seen and I bring that up for this reason when you do some searching if you go to
00:35:23
citydata.com what you're going to find here in this area is there are Pockets where you have a
00:35:32
very high and when I mean very high I mean alarming rate of sex offenders living in
00:35:40
the area so a very high amount of sex offenders in Draper City Utah the estimated
00:35:47
population of Draper is 47 000 people and there's forty seven thousand offenders well it might as well be it
00:35:57
has a 22 to 1 residence to sex offender ratio whoa 22 not moving one hey so if you've had your kids hide your wife if
00:36:09
you put 25 random people in a room in Draper Utah according to this data you've got at least one sex offender in
00:36:18
there I don't know why anybody would live there I can't figure out why so many of them live there are there no
00:36:23
schools in Draper what the hell's going on there but I point that out I guess you know if you're going to have them
00:36:30
live somewhere have them all live in the same town and they could play flicky flicky with each other you know yeah and
00:36:36
the thing that I'm pointing out here Captain is a scenario that we have seen more than once unfortunately
00:36:44
could both situations actually be true and what I mean here is regardless if you think that Kalyn was
00:36:53
having some type of break with reality that she might have been delusional or as you know she tells the the 911
00:37:02
operator my roommate says that I'm delusional says that I'm seeing things do we have a situation here where this
00:37:10
poor young woman is suffering from something that that we might not fully understand
00:37:17
and that she happens to cross paths with a very bad individual that sees an opportunity or either she approaches a
00:37:25
vehicle or approaches someone and they go you know what I can get this person I can get this
00:37:33
woman I can get her in my car right and people say people point out so often you know I referenced back when we were
00:37:41
really looking into the mara Murray disappearance yeah and so many people point out
00:37:47
what would be the math on a scenario where you have a woman in distress Marla Mara Murray wrecked her car
00:37:56
that she would in that brief window of time that she happens to come across a serial
00:38:03
killer I understand that the math on that is crazy it's the likelihood is is so thin I don't I don't see how you
00:38:13
you don't understand science at all but this crazy mathematics you seem to have your head all wrapped around I think
00:38:22
what people get confused in that Mara Murray situation is she does not have to cut cross paths with a serial killer to
00:38:30
end up dead it could just be one bad dude that's never killed anybody that's looking for a woman to attack right and
00:38:40
there's a lot of times that there are sex offenders they're motivated by a sexual assault and then that turns into
00:38:46
a murder and maybe only one but again we have a missing girl that's already from
00:38:52
that area and look is it possible some creepo walked into her apartment what if she talked to somebody outside
00:39:04
and then she came back inside and some creepo just decided I'm gonna just walk into our apartment
00:39:12
and I I kind of believe here Captain after really looking and diving into this to be honest with you the first
00:39:19
couple days I really kind of just thought that some kind of accident occurred I think that this is something bigger I
00:39:27
think that the family is correct in their statement that they something weird is going on here is were there
00:39:34
words and they weren't referencing kalin's actions right no I I don't see evidence of that myself and when you
00:39:41
have another missing girl that you have not found and you have all these sickos right around them that's your motive
00:39:50
and so it's almost like we always don't have any leads and we don't have much evidence so let's
00:39:58
bring up I don't know if it's coming from the cops or if it's coming from the media because it makes this this
00:40:06
Sensational story of oh I'll look at her talking to herself and look at her just
00:40:11
running off and and this doesn't make any sense if if you're look watch the videos people you're gonna if you can
00:40:19
see something that I I don't see I mean we all know I mean it's documented I'm in certifiably insane
00:40:29
I can't see the actions that she's doing that would cause somebody to go wow she must be in a state of
00:40:39
psychosis because even the 9-1-1 call she's answering every question she is not just going off on tangents
00:40:49
she doesn't want say like oh I think they left so now I need to go see if uh if they left any of their UFOs behind
00:40:58
you know or I wonder if they left their big Bigfoot stick she's not saying that she's going I'm
00:41:05
going to go check to see if they took anything right so everything that she says makes sense I
00:41:11
mean she the the her roommate opens up the door hey lock your door okay you're not gonna lock your door
00:41:18
come here okay well now I don't hear him anymore maybe they're gone and again maybe it's
00:41:25
just a simple mistake and from that one call well you know there was three calls but
00:41:32
three calls in the course of less than 12 hours but with that longer call then they just go well she's probably in
00:41:40
some form of psychosis and I just don't believe she was and and like I said I I'd also be interested
00:41:48
to know what their family mental history was and I think if there was more mental history in their family mental
00:41:59
illness in their family that the family probably would have came forward and said hey
00:42:03
yeah this is a possibility but that again you brought up a great point that does not rule out the fact that there's
00:42:10
not some sicko that goes oh well this uh girl seems a little out there I'm going
00:42:15
to take advantage of the situation well and you know what the the majority and I mean the vast majority we're
00:42:23
talking in the in 90 95 of the time a stranger on Stranger abduction a stranger on Stranger murder
00:42:31
is simply a crime of opportunity for the perpetrator yeah it's somebody that sees someone that is they deem to
00:42:40
be an easy target at that time and they only have to be an easy target long enough for them to abduct them right and
00:42:48
I I think that what we have here is you know this scenario is quite different from the Jessica Johnson case
00:42:57
that we talked about a few weeks ago but it's similar to me where I think that we have a mysterious death and I
00:43:05
get the medical examiner's findings and I understand and I have the backs of the
00:43:11
police involved they don't have any evidence that anything regarding Foul Play occurred here so it
00:43:19
makes it difficult for them to say well we have to investigate this as a murder that's not what the evidence suggests to
00:43:26
them but what I think we have here is what we said with Jessica Johnson we have a mysterious death we have an
00:43:32
unexplained death and until you can explain a few things that that actually did happen or seem to
00:43:39
be more plausible then it remains a mysterious death and should remain an open case and that's
00:43:47
where you and I here in the garage we're doing a mark like a Marco Polo situation right we're calling out Marco
00:43:55
to go to everyone out there and we're asking if you saw something if you think you know anything at all and maybe it
00:44:03
doesn't seem like a big deal to you maybe it doesn't even seem like important information to you you have a
00:44:08
family that's very hurt that's heartbroken and they've they've received no answers right but public opinion can
00:44:16
shape things we've seen this time and time again and I think it's irresponsible of the
00:44:23
media to be saying this stuff oh she seems erratic and blah blah watch this footage listen to this
00:44:29
footage make comments known on the internet if you don't think that she was acting and and like I said some form of
00:44:37
psychosis then it's this is more likely a crime of opportunity and also look at that situation they're in when you look
00:44:47
at the surveillance footage you have a giant Mound that they poured concrete over
00:44:54
which is basically blocking these condos what a great opportunity that you could
00:45:02
grab somebody and somebody not see you because you have this giant boulder in the way like I said this is a heavy
00:45:09
populated area you can see a lot of apartments and condos in that area so you have a lot of people living together
00:45:14
in close quarters right it's not too far-fetched to believe that someone may have seen her out there right in front
00:45:23
of her condos and that's why we don't have anybody to say well we saw her elsewhere at a different time that she
00:45:30
may have been picked up very close to where that surveillance footage was picked up at yeah and
00:45:35
you know there are some rumors that either she and I can't back this up with with legit information but there are
00:45:42
some rumors that either she was abducted near that site or that she was picked up by someone meaning
00:45:50
maybe she was running out to talk to somebody or had intentions of of speaking with somebody at some point
00:45:57
right and like I said makes sense if you're just going to go hang out with somebody for a minute or maybe they're
00:46:03
just like hey I'll pick you up we'll go for a ride and talk all I gotta do is grab my keys when
00:46:10
they drop me back off I go in side leave my leave my wallet leave my purse leave
00:46:16
my dog so that all those things make logical sense and uh I feel for the family because it
00:46:24
seems like they're screaming at the top of their lungs and it seems like not too
00:46:29
many people are listening well and when you have a situation that is this this is the exact situation that we have here
00:46:37
when you have an area when you have a city that is a 30 minute to 35 minute drive
00:46:45
away where the sex offender to ratio the the citizens the residents to sex offender ratio is 22-1 when it's that
00:46:55
big and you have another missing woman that is about the same age as our victim here Kalyn louder
00:47:03
look you want to talk about the the unlikelihood of a bad man crossing paths with a woman in distress or in an
00:47:13
unknown victim or an easy target well guess what Jerica Banks who was out jogging in
00:47:20
daylight in February of 2018 the likelihood that she came across a a bad horrible individual
00:47:30
it's the same mathematical equation as Kalyn louder coming across some bad horrible individual in the parking lot
00:47:38
or near the parking lot of her condos yeah and I and I think both families should actually team up
00:47:47
and I think these are connected and I think if they don't do something about it we're going to be discussing another
00:47:54
case from within this area well and I want to point out too before we close out here today captain that
00:48:02
sadly the louder family experienced another loss earlier this year this is taken from an obituary that states we
00:48:11
lost our amazing son uncle and brother Colton Jesse louder on January 13 2019 he was born along with his twin sister
00:48:20
on January 21st 1984. to Jesse and Suzanne Ackerman louder Colton had a big heart and loved everyone he was happiest
00:48:30
when he could be playing his guitar he found peace and happiness in his talent and would play anytime he could he was
00:48:37
an Avid Reader and a talented writer he loved outdoors in nature he has survived
00:48:43
by his parents Jesse and Susie louder a brother parley and sister Maddie he was preceded in death by his sister Kalin
00:48:51
who he missed terribly we will never be the same without you continue to find peace until we can be
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