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[Music] crime [Music] a Borman Ohio in 1970 the suburb of Youngstown had a population of about 30,000 people
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and that population would grow to almost 40,000 by 1980 in the early '70s Boardman
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experienced what fortunately most cities and towns of its size rarely if ever experience the homicides of three
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youths the victimology was similar three boys similar in age ranging from 12 to 15 all from similar neighborhoods and
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backgrounds and all three abducted or attacked while walking home as the sun was going down or shortly
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after all three cases are still unsolved two cases are considered to be very much cold cases the leads have
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seemingly dried up over the decades anything left open-ended it appears those options have only been left that
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way because they were looked at explored and examined and there either is likely one
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if not two results either no evidence to back the theory or we just can't put someone
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where they would need to be to have committed the murder or murders however one of the cases is still very
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warm and as we hinted at last week one of the cases may be getting warmer as we speak 15-year-old Thomas bar was the
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first of three victims he was attacked on his way home and later succumbed to his injuries in December of
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1970 he was found by a police officer having been badly beaten by an unknown as salent Thomas was placed in intensive
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care where sadly he passes away days later never regaining Consciousness police were never able to
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question him about the attack that led to his death Brad Bolino age 12 was abducted on
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the last day of March 1972 And he was killed after leaving his friend's house his body was not found until April
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4th when a refuge collector spotted his feet sticking up in the trash in a collection B behind some businesses in a
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busy section of Boardman the third Boardman boy victim is 13-year-old David Evans who goes
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missing on Friday January 17th 1975 all signs point toward abduction his hat was found trampled in
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the snow at an intersection in his neighborhood just blocks from his home his lifeless body was found near an
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office building his little body frozen stiff sadly the boy died from his diabetes he was abducted and held
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somewhere and denied his much needed insulin shots regardless of how he died or the
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coroner's ruling he was murdered he was abducted and then died from disease as his captor denied him treatment and then
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his body was dumped a of course the good people of Borman could not help but think that
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these three murders may be connected maybe even committed by the same person or persons in fact even now 50 years later
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the case that is still showing promise of likely being solved the Brad Bolino case detectives have openly suggested
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that a break or an arrest in that case may lead to much needed information and one if not both of the other
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homicides in early February of 1975 just a little over a week after the Evans boy's body was
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found the Boardman chief of police received a letter mailed from the greater Youngstown
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area it was double stamped with the word important on the front of the envelope the single page handwritten
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letter reads to whom it may concern please don't let that man out of jail and Struthers as he is the one responsible
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for three boys' deaths the one that was found along a street that Bolino boy and Evans
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boy that 11-year-old girl would have been dead by now if he had gotten away with
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it mister as you know one makes just one wrong move and gets caught these kind of men must be kept out of
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circulation now I cannot tell you who I am as I want to keep on living someone would kill
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me but if he is found guilty I will talk to someone and tell you how I know it may even come as a shock and I
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know you won't want to believe me the letter is signed please help save the children
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this is true crime [Music] garage well it's been 50 years captain since the murder of Brad Bolino and we
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discussed in the trailer the other homicides that we're going on in bourman Ohio around the same time we have three
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homicides Thomas bear Brad Bolino and then David Evans and I know there's some debate out there was the Evans case
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truly a homicide I'm giving it the old Colonel opinion here and I know that the captain shares my opinion in this you
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abduct a child and you deny him his much needed medicine for his disease and then
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later dump the body yeah that's uh looking like a murder to me so regardless of what the coroner's
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findings were or how the case would move forward based off of the coroners findings what we do have and we
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discussed this last week was the police saying look we have a situation with David Evans where everything points to
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an abduction so we have to investigate that abduction we have to investigate the The Dumping of of his corpse and so
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there's all kinds of charges that can go along with that and they worked I tell you what Captain I give Big Ups to the
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Boardman police department they work worked that David Evans case very very hard they put a lot of effort into that
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David Evans case and they worked it for many years after his murder and where we
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have seen some departments say well the coroner says this was natural cause death looks like there's nothing for us
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to investigate here or we have other cases that we have to move on to Boardman still made David Evans case a
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priority even after that Coroner's report now one thing that we do need to discuss here today and one thing that we
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said we were going to get to last week and then boom quickly two episodes turn into three and then four because we have
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theories to discuss we have suspects to discuss that we weren't able to get to but the first thing we need to discuss
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the possibility that all three of these cases are connected there has been a lot
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of debate over that over the years and over the decades in Borman Ohio we sit here and we're able to retroactively
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look back on these cases and of course we know a lot more today in some of these cases than we knew back in
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1975 and so we're able to apply some of that information that had leaked out or made its way to the newspapers over the
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years and then apply that to what we knew back then and these cases I'm not going to lie to you Captain it's very
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difficult for me to sit here and give a strong opinion on if these cases are in fact connected or not if I had to guess
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I would probably say no that we have three separate homicide cases here that somebody else is responsible for each
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one of these and we have some information that may back up that opinion well probably the best thing to
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do is go through each case one by one yeah so we can compare how they are similar but also maybe the differences
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and I think the greatest difference that we see here here is probably the first case compared to the second and third
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and that being the case of 15-year-old Thomas beard so with Thomas's case what the police were able to tell us well
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after his investigation was hot and heavy but at some point the police start to tell us their Theory based off of
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information that they have collected in his case so his case the general story has always been that he was found by
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someone or found by a police officer he's kind of slumped over he's been beat badly I mean he's got a lot of head
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injuries when he is found and unfortunately he's unconscious right so they have to take him directly to the
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hospital where immediately he's put into intensive care he strong kid survives for several days I actually believe it
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was like 10 days maybe up to 2 weeks but he survives quite a long time but unfortunately he never regains
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Consciousness so the police they put this boy in the hospital in intensive care but they are not able to ask him
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any questions about who attacked you what happened to you and so they have to speak with his parents his family his
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friends and the general story that comes out at some point with the Thomas beard
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case is that he was jumped by a group of teenagers and I'm sure you know captain
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and I have spoke to a couple different people on all three of these cases the persons
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that I spoke to what I was told Captain and I'll let you chime in and you tell me if you heard any different or any
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other variation but the general description that I have put together from several accounts was that there was
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some kind of fight that broke out at a local skating rink and Tomas is there 15-year-old boy of course that's where
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you're going to be having a good time at the skating ring he's there amongst his
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peers and for my understanding there's some kind of fight or argument that breaks out at the skating rink or just
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outside of the skating rink to which management or whomever Sho the kids away send them off hey get out of here we
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don't want any trouble we're not going to have any trouble you guys in here causing all kinds of mischief and
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whatnot get out of here and somewhere along the line when he is walking home it has always been believed that whoever
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he had a beef with or whoever didn't like him for whatever reason maybe that person and or a group of people caught
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up to Thomas at some point where another fight breaks out and unfortunately this
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is the result that we have one of the best things about being part of True Crime garage is when we cover these
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cases especially when we're doing a a multi-part series is to be able to be contacted by local people that know more
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about the case maybe know more about rumors and I was also lucky enough to talk to multiple local sources and to
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talk to I don't want to call him a web sluther because he is local to the area Tom carrian I kind of disagree with you
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of where would you be when you're 15 skating rink is you're kind of done with the skating rink by age 15 but the the
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local rumor was that there was there wasn't a scuffle between Thomas and and multiple kids but one kid and the Rumor
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was always that this kid was about 18 which if 15 is kind of on the older end of somebody that would be
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at the skating rink 18 is definitely older so I don't know if that individual worked there or had some connection to
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the skating rink but like you said same type of rumor well then Thomas goes walking home and and this individual
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tracks him down so it then becomes was it was he beat up by a group of people or was it just one individual yes
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exactly and that's exactly very similar to the rumor that I had always heard that it was either one person or some
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other people caught up with him based off of whatever went down at the skating rink right uh shortly before that and so
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the reports I found was he was found about 1 p.m. so well after dark I don't know what time they were all shoot away
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or whatever uh the the skating rink let out that night but um yeah the reports I
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have show that he was found about 1 p.m. that night think about that scenario now
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going forward we covered the Bolino case and the Evans case really well and pretty thorough as much as you can cover
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in about an hour or two for those two cases last week and let's do a little comparison
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of what we've just said with the be case and cross check that with Bolino and Evans I think what everybody is going to
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immediately notice is a very huge discrepancy between M Mo in the be case compared to Bolino and Evans what I see
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with Bolino is a case where he very likely may have willingly got into the wrong person's vehicle or he was
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snatched on the side of the road as he's walking home from his best friend Don templeman's house and then you go a few
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years later to the David Evans case to me that screams abduction because we have his father we have his coach we
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have the teachers at school we have his friends kids that knew him that are saying No this kid would not have gotten
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into anyone's car willingly especially a stranger so much so to the point saying
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that they would be shocked if he would even be willing to walk up to the driver side window to offer directions or help
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or anything like that and then we also have to factor in too he's actually the Evans family was actually from New York
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and had moved to Borman Ohio I believe about two years maybe two and a half years before David Evans death and so we
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talk about hey can you offer me directions this is a younger kid 13 he probably may not know or be able to give
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too much in the way of directions the other thing too that I think we always need to remind our small children of is
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that adults do not need help from small children and I know David was a little older he was 13 but again we have a
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situation where everybody is telling us everybody says no this kid he was standoffish he was more likely to sit
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back and assess the situation he wasn't a go-getter he wasn't a risk taker he would have likely not have gotten into
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anyone's vehicle and then compound that with the idea that well his mother at 11:30 p.m. that night remember his
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father saw him around 6:30 that night as he was leaving to go to his night class
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at Youngstown State we have the mother who is then out on foot searching for her son and after he's reported missing
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to the police she then quickly finds his hat that he was wearing trampled in the
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snow near the same intersection where his father last seen him so we have a situation here where it looks to me like
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David Evans was snatched off of the street and probably fairly quickly after he was last seen by his father talking
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to his father that night now again 6:30 January in Ohio it's going to be dark or
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getting dark around that time so I see a situation here could they all be connected there's a possibility
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right there's always a possibility until they are solved but here we have a situation where it looks like there is a
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perpetrator or perpetrators of the bar case I'm sorry of the Beed case and they were probably a person or persons closer
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to Thomas's age and it was about something completely different with bolo's case whether he gets into a
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vehicle willingly or if he's abducted it doesn't matter we know the way that he's
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found in that dumpster with the belt still wrapped around his neck and pulled tightly his I mean his trousers are down
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around his ankles when he's found that's a very much different Mo in death and very much committed by a different
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person than the be case right and and just looking at the bear case initially he's not found in an area that
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somebody was trying to conce seal the body no and and the other two cases were so initially when we looked at this I
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went okay it looks like uh Thomas was jumped on the way home probably to do with some kind of altercation at the
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skating rink or there was just groups of older kids that would you know drive around and and sometimes have
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altercations so it could have everything to do with the confrontation at the skating rink or
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could be simply some older kids saw him uh driving home and or walking home and and decided to rough him up and it and
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it got out of hand so initially I thought well the Thomas case is separate from the two and it seems like in Brad's
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case and in David's case they were both abducted and and and possibly in another location for a time
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period before their bodies were dumped yes because it's several days before either boy is recovered either of their
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bodies are recovered in that situation and as we said with Barrett he's located there that night and as you pointed out
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no one's attempting to conceal his body in fact probably his killer or Killers believe that he would survive that
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attack when they left him there that night now let's take this a step further okay so be looks completely different
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than the other two bolo's case looks to me like a sadistic child rapist killer kind of
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situation for Bolino David Evans is really complicated because while I firmly believe that he was abducted and
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it sounds like a lot of the guys work in law enforcement a lot of the men and women working in law enforcement and
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Boardman at the time firmly believe that as well his case is very difficult because he's not sexually assaulted like
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Bolin was he dies from his diabetes from not getting his insulin shot and it's really difficult to sit here and say
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what would have happened had he not had the diabetes right because we can't sit here
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and go well it would have been exactly like Brad bolo's case he would have been choked and killed and then dump
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somewhere we can't say that we don't know that we there there's a chance that his abductor for whatever reason
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abducted him and planned on releasing him at some point never planned or never wanted to kill the kid and so there it
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gets very difficult to say if the Bolino in the Evans case is connected or in fact how similar they just may be yeah
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my issue with the Bolino case is yeah he's found in this dumpster he definitely was
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strangled but there's no other bruising really on his body which is normally if somebody's you know beaten
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and tortured and then choked to death you're going to see a lot of bruising right and
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I don't think that he was tortured there I mean well let's not get into the debate of what torture is I mean
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obviously his and this is hard to say his last minutes on this planet were not good
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ones at all um but with David Evans we see he has injury to suggest that there may have been some
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kind of scuffle that he was in and I think that maybe that took place trying to get him into a vehicle we have some
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other injuries to David Evans but we know that some of those occurred after his actual death and I believe that the
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broken wrist and the the hole that was found in his back those were made by happen stance by somebody moving trying
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to move and conceal his body after he already had past yeah and so like you're saying with with evans's case look you
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have bruising because you AB you abducted the kid there's bruising because there was some kind of fight
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there was bruising because there was some kind of abuse and then he dies so it doesn't
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matter that he died because he needed his insulin you're the reason he's dead you are now a murderer correct correct
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it to me denying somebody there their life saving medicine is the same as denying them air right especially when
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we're talking about children here so my opinion is Captain that these three are probably not connected if we do have any
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connection it's probably between the Bolino case and the David Evans case now going back to the opinion of the letter
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writer that we referenced in this week's trailer the person that says to whom it
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may concern please don't let that man out of jail and Struthers as he is the one responsible for three boys deaths
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the one that was found along a street that could describe Thomas beard the one that was found along a street right
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could describe Thomas beard the unfortunate thing for us reviewing this letter is we're not certain that that's
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who the writer was actually talking about or referencing the letter goes on to say the Bolino boy and Evans boy so
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that's pretty clear that 11-year-old girl would have been dead by now if he had gotten away with it mister as you
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know one makes just one wrong move and gets caught these kind of men must be kept out of circulation now I cannot
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tell you who I am as I want to keep on living someone would kill me but if he is found guilty I will talk to someone
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and I will tell you how I know it may even come as a shock and I know you won't want to believe me again it's an
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anonymous letter signed please help save the children you know I know in the bino
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case and in the Evans case there were a lot of people in the community trying to
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get involved in these cases and trying to help they were phoning in possible tips anything that they thought was
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weird anything they thought they saw may have heard rumors that they had heard a
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lot of times they were phoning in hey this dude he's strange why don't you go look at him like with no no other
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information other than this guy's a weirdo I would take a look at him based off of this information what we're able
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to find here and I'm not going to disclose anybody's name but the 11-year-old girl would have been dead by
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now if he had gotten away with it okay so what we know happened here in this case is that the Struthers Police
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Department they did have somebody locked up for the what they have listed as the
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subject tried to attack an 11-year-old girl in Struthers Ohio and the individual that they locked up was a
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Caucasian male from Struthers Ohio age he was like 25 going on 26 at the time driving a white or cream colored 1966
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Buick interesting thing here Captain was the damaged trunk of his vehicle the police noted that it will not close and
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we'll continue to look into this individual and see what came of the this attack on the 11-year-old but for now I
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don't know that this Anonymous letter directly links this guy to one if not any of the murders because again
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reviewing this letter that was sent we don't know who sent it what information they were basing their findings off of
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and then on top of that if in fact they are referencing the Thomas bar case as one of the three being connected well we
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have information that suggests other wise that the bared case isn't connected to the other two whether the other two
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are connected or not and so there on its face it doesn't seem to hold a lot of value this letter or this information if
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you know that these cases are in fact not connected sounds like to me a local guy that maybe heard some rumors or
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maybe is just speculating on his own but again the letter gives no evidence to prove that these three murders were
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move together I love Columbus I love it very much but uh yes the the weather is a pisser
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sometimes that's about as polite as I can be about it this this week as it's rained every single day it feels like
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now Captain we tend to be our biggest critics right I don't know that everybody out there in listener land
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will agree with that but we know who we are I know who you are we're fools you're trying to figure out who I am uh
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tallan in the air but um we are fools Captain is right uh I'm fool number one and he is working to get to be full
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number two I'm actually full number three there's I know there's a weird guy in the middle Carlos Carlos and won't
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show up we can't get him to get back to the garage years ago he's number two um but one of these one of the things that
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I face with our little garage show here is you know we spend all week pouring through the information tearing through
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whatever we can find and get our hands on get our ears on get the eyeballs working on and then we have to sit down
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in the garage together and hit the record button and then once we hit stop well it's usually uh a drive home and on
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the drive home it's often it's going hey that was really good I'm excited about this case I was excited about it when we
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went into it I loved the research process I loved delivering it to the listeners packaging it up and sending it
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matters what the listeners think and I often find that sometimes my opinion of the show may be different than theirs
00:35:48
and sometimes they they have much better feelings about the package that we put out and sent out to the world and then
00:35:55
there's other times I think man we na failed it that was a really good True Crime podcast and then I'm I'm quickly
00:36:00
deflated uh when told otherwise but last week when we did the Boardman case we didn't know going into it that it would
00:36:08
expand to additional episodes no we got so wrapped up in discussing some of the contradictions and some of the
00:36:17
information and again when you have three cases there's a lot to talk about and so it quickly went from two episodes
00:36:25
to what will three and four one way that I kind of judge on how we did because I
00:36:33
you know I don't have 100 listeners standing there going great job Nick great job Colonel please come back next
00:36:39
week no we don't we don't have that but what we do have is our blog on true Crim
00:36:44
garage.com and usually I feel like we've done a great job when I see boom there's
00:36:49
a bunch of people going to the blog and they're either asking questions or they're putting out some other
00:36:55
information maybe that they have found on these same cases or they're criticizing our pronunciation and my
00:37:02
face yes uh it comes under under question a lot that's I'm wearing a mask today but um so I wanted to take this
00:37:11
opportunity because we don't do a four-part series every week and here we had a lot of good information and even
00:37:20
better questions that were put on the blog and at some point I'm reviewing them and I'm like all right answer this
00:37:27
I'll answer that and then I thought you know I can answer them right here in the
00:37:31
garage because a lot of these require a discussion and not just a one sentence answer so I'm going to read a couple of
00:37:39
our questions from our blog all right let's get into it all right I'm GNA I'm going to leave everybody Anonymous but
00:37:45
if you want to find out who wrote These you can simply go to our website and you'll see the person's name or the name
00:37:50
that they came up with when they typed in that question Captain fluger here's the first one according to the autopsy
00:37:57
Brad's last meal was chicken and pineapple which is what he ate at the templen on Friday at 7:30 p.m. it takes
00:38:06
somewhere between 2 to 4 hours for digestion to empty the stomach that makes me wonder where the Saturday at
00:38:13
900 p.m. time of death came from and then I'm going to take this one step further here Captain before we give an
00:38:20
answer uh and some more information here because another person posted a very similar question
00:38:27
this is exactly what I was thinking he was killed on the night he went missing if he were killed a whole day later then
00:38:33
the autopsy would have difficulty determining his last meal it would be digested I think our narrator made a
00:38:41
mistake okay clearly it couldn't be talking about me making a stake mistake yeah it's probably me did somebody say
00:38:47
steak um no the this is both of these are very good questions and I'm glad that somebody pointed out maybe the
00:38:54
narrator made a mistake sometimes things Gets Lost in Translation right and we find that that happens a lot with with
00:39:02
our shows we're delivering information to you sometimes your brain is not so busy but your hands are busy or you're
00:39:09
doing other things we know a lot of people like to listen at work or on their commute and so you're not able to
00:39:17
really dial in at 100% sometimes it's about 95 996 and our listeners are very smart so let's address this
00:39:27
meal against the idea that he was killed the next day so where this information comes from is actually two different
00:39:35
sources first we have the autopsy report now unfortunately the information I have
00:39:41
the coroners post morom report is only four pages long now depending on jurisdiction depending on what county
00:39:49
you are in I don't know whether to say that that's a short report or a long report because Captain we've been doing
00:39:55
this a long time depending on what county if we can get an autopsy report it's all over the shop sometimes you're
00:40:02
getting a report I've seen them as short as two pages I've seen them as long as 29 or 30 pages and it doesn't always
00:40:09
make any Rhyme or Reason Why some are doing much longer reports than others there's there there's not always it's
00:40:15
not like in one case we only have two pages of information to report and in others we have 29 no it's it's similar
00:40:23
it's just how they conduct their paperwork so this one's only four pages long now there's always been a little
00:40:29
bit of a question of a toxicology report in the Bolino case and Captain you brought up the idea of well Bolino while
00:40:37
appears to be like a sadistic murder where he was choked with this belt and we know he was sexually assaulted he
00:40:44
doesn't really have any other bruising or or much in the way of defensive wounds on his person I bring up the
00:40:51
toxicology report because there has been some question you know maybe he was sedated somehow maybe he he took
00:40:59
something or ingested something that somebody gave him and he wasn't in a state of fighting back also without
00:41:06
going into any detail at all because I'm not going to dance in the sickness too long based off of how he's found you can
00:41:16
also make some assumptions he was not in a position to be defending himself greatly at the time unfortunately now
00:41:24
the information I have is that the time of death was approximately 90000 p.m. Saturday April 1st 1972 so this would be
00:41:34
a full 24 hours after he was last seen by Don templeman when he left Don's house on foot and we can assume that he
00:41:43
was attacked or abducted by 9900 p.m. that Friday night because he never makes it home now the information about the
00:41:52
last meal the meal that was found in him that chicken and pineapple that information actually does not come from
00:42:00
the corner that information was from an interview that one of the detectives did
00:42:05
years later and the detective is referencing that oh we don't believe any of the sightings of Brad the unconfirmed
00:42:13
sightings of Brad on that Saturday because we have information that says that his last meal was the meal that he
00:42:20
consumed that Friday so we have a difference of opinion here between the coroner who's saying in their paperwork
00:42:28
time of death 900 p.m. on Saturday to what the detective is saying later in an interview that the last meal was what he
00:42:36
ate at the templen which probably was not at 7:30 because we know that the mom was out and the dad was sick in bed but
00:42:43
regardless it's interesting we got listeners saying look it would have taken somewhere between 2 to 4 hours for
00:42:49
digestion to empty the stomach makes me question the coroner's finding of the Saturday 9:00 p.m. time of death I agree
00:42:58
with the listeners here it makes me question it too if in fact the chicken and pineapple is true because I don't
00:43:04
have that in in my paperwork I've not seen it in writing anywhere I can also assume one thing though too captain that
00:43:11
there's probably some additional pages of this autopsy report maybe not this exact same report maybe there was the
00:43:17
toxicology later along with some of other information and maybe that information that the detective is
00:43:23
referencing is from that report I've not seen so all I can tell you is what the coroner is saying and then what the
00:43:29
detective is later saying so they are two different sources and they seem to have somewhat of a difference of opinion
00:43:35
now the reason why we made sure to include that is that it was intriguing because there were several people that
00:43:41
said that they saw Brad Bolino on that Saturday yeah and now we look back and we're getting other information that
00:43:48
probably suggests that no they were just trying to be helpful citizens they probably saw a boy that looked similar
00:43:55
to Brad bino they wanted to help they're trying to provide information unfortunately this boy was either being
00:44:02
held captive at that time or as statistics would tell us you might already be dead right especially when we
00:44:12
have a stranger on Stranger abduction and it being a youth that's abducted if he was abducted correct that we have a
00:44:20
situation where he was you know often times the the statistics will say that they're only alive for a short period of
00:44:29
time after the abduction takes place based on the way that he's found again he may have gotten into a
00:44:36
vehicle willingly or he may have been snatched off the street based off of the sexual assault the way that the murder
00:44:42
took place the belt the way that he's dumped at some point whether he gotten that vehicle willingly or not at some
00:44:50
point he's abducted it's one of those cases where both uh both can't scientifically be
00:44:57
true but you also wonder what are the added factors and the added hurdles that come with finding the body not until
00:45:04
April 4th when we know that he was uh last seen on May 31st I think anytime that the body is found a significant
00:45:13
amount of time afterwards it makes the coroner's job more difficult I also think that we should Implement A A
00:45:20
system that I've been trying to get passed through the the house and the and the Senate the I created a
00:45:27
machine to test how FY you're feeling and so is this coroner just making a mistake because again corer is human he
00:45:37
could just be making a mistake maybe he meant Friday at 900 p.m. this one is very human I think he actually got into
00:45:44
some trouble years later I think it was some some minor trouble but uh I don't think he was fully on the up and up 100%
00:45:52
of the time well I qu again I question this report because because of the 900 p.m. because the 900 p.m. death makes
00:46:00
sense on when he left when uh when Bradley left and when he would possibly if he was abducted I I don't even know
00:46:10
if he's abducted we have no eyewitnesses that say he was abducted from some white
00:46:15
van #b thean or that he got into some car the sources that I was talking to in the last week and that's another thing
00:46:26
that I love about doing a a four parter or a multiarterial to as many people as we can we have
00:46:40
double that length a lot of people said in that area in that neighborhood there was a clubhouse SLT Treehouse SL Fort
00:46:49
whatever you want to call it that was known to where kids would go experiment with things sexually possibly smoke some
00:46:58
weed smoke some cigarettes maybe drink some booze and there's a lot of locals that
00:47:05
believe you know based on his injuries and even some you know ex law enforcement that
00:47:13
have said when you consider all the evidence and consider that the location in which he would be walking home would
00:47:23
put him in the vicinity of this Treehouse is it possible that he stopped by there to see what was going on we've
00:47:32
seen this in other cases where older teens or older men will pay for sexual favors and so there's a lot of a lot of
00:47:43
people locally and and like I said ex law enforcement that that lean towards the idea that this was um you know a
00:47:51
sexual act that became an accident accident death now my problem with the way they
00:47:59
worded it to me and the way I heard it was that this was that was consensual and like we said bino is 12 years old
00:48:07
you can't consent to this this was this was a rape and this was a murder but but
00:48:12
I think like I said it possibly was uh accidental murder it's an interesting angle again it's always been reported
00:48:22
that it was a sexual assault which is obviously very different than than that and again the a lot of these are it's
00:48:29
you know speculation it's conjecture it's things that we will not know until the person responsible is found right
00:48:37
well my other problem with the coiner report is we have this strangulation with this belt and then they're claiming
00:48:44
that there's no other bruising on the body we just have to take their word for that to me those rumors and the fact
00:48:52
that there is no bruising on his body other than this strangulation points to that rumor makes
00:49:00
sense to me but again I don't know how accurate that this coordin report is and again I'm going to give him the benefit
00:49:07
of Doubt and because of the time period that elapsed maybe his information is just a little wrong and His science is a
00:49:13
little bit wrong again early 70s well and the the other fact too is we have four pages of a report they're very well
00:49:21
they're not numbered you know this is four of seven or this is four of four we have four pages of a report there may
00:49:28
be additional information that we just are not privy to all right here's another question here Captain great
00:49:35
episode again guys we'd love to hear that I was wondering the same thing as the person above about Brad's time of
00:49:42
death also what was the deal with Brad's brother phoning the templeman after 1 p.m. on Friday this was after Dawn was
00:49:50
in bed and then the templeman's driving Brad's route to try to find him did both
00:49:55
both households just give up and go to bed after that I'm sorry if I missed something please do not apologize we
00:50:02
Mercy for listening as we like to say but um no so this is actually part of the conflict right we have Don templeman
00:50:12
Brad bolo's best friend says I kind of remember it differently right the Bolino family is saying due to circumstances
00:50:21
our busy household mom is out of town working dad's stayed out kind of partying the night before and slept in
00:50:29
late and either dad wakes up according to the according to the Bolino corers report dad wakes up discovers that Brad
00:50:37
is not home it's news to him and then he tries to find and locate his son eventually calling the police and filing
00:50:45
a a missing person's report that taking place on Saturday Don templeman his best
00:50:51
friend in an interview that took place decades after the homicide says no I remember it differently I believe I was
00:50:59
in bed I had already gone to sleep I think I went to bed around 10 p.m. at some point Brad's brother calls and says
00:51:08
hey you know Brad never came home to which I believe it was Don's mom answered the phone for that call
00:51:16
according to Don's story and he says that either him and his father I'm guessing him and his mother because the
00:51:22
father was sick in bed they go out and they drive the route they don't see anything unusual they come back this is
00:51:28
one of those difficult things that it's tough to say I want to believe Don I I believe that Don believes what he is
00:51:35
telling us I don't believe that he's giving us a lie or anything like that I I think that he lost a part of himself
00:51:41
when he lost his best friend all those years ago and it may be a situation where he's
00:51:48
misremembering yeah or both stories are true you could you could have a situation where you know Brad's brother
00:51:56
calls because he's concerned hey you know my parents told me my brother's supposed to be home he's not home I'll
00:52:03
just give a call real quick hey has my brother left oh he already left okay well maybe he'll turn up and because
00:52:10
he's the older brother he just goes about his business doesn't doesn't check in again and it's not until the morning
00:52:17
where the Dad's going wait a second did he just never come home right and it's it's I think the part in the question
00:52:25
that we have to really kind of clarify is it sounds to me though based off of all all the information we've seen here
00:52:32
captain that yes you might be right it could both be true there's there's a chance of that the templeman could have
00:52:40
went out and briefly looked for Brad that night didn't find him return home and go to bed for whatever reason but
00:52:46
it's always been the Bolino family story that they were either not aware that Brad was missing until the following day
00:52:52
or they didn't actively search for him yeah but maybe Brad's brother never told his parents no that's what I'm saying
00:53:00
that that it's we're basing this off of everything that we've seen the BOS are saying we were not aware that our son
00:53:05
was missing until sometime before noon on Saturday right and again you're right the brother could have called but Mom
00:53:13
and Dad didn't know that he was missing until that Saturday that's something again we just will not know we will not
00:53:20
know what is the actual truth and in looking back on it it might not really matter but if you're going to call into
00:53:27
question and be skeptical of the people closest to the victim then it then it probably does matter quite a bit next
00:53:35
question here Captain we have is my parents were good friends of Brad bolo's parents sadly both have passed away
00:53:42
before ever seeing their son's case solved they lost touch during the 80s and didn't see each other as often also
00:53:50
I heard he meaning Brad was on his bike when he went missing I don't recall if it was recovered I was too young to
00:53:58
remember or know very much but the facts I've shared I believe to be true and the
00:54:04
writer goes on to say last Applewood acres is around 2 to three miles from behind Boardman Plaza where Brad was
00:54:12
found the perpetrators would need a vehicle for sure yes so uh we we had said that too
00:54:20
that we believe that there's a vehicle involved in this situation we believe that it would be an ADD crime scene to
00:54:27
what we already discussed because of the distance between of again we don't know
00:54:31
where he was taken from or where he got into a vehicle or where he went uh between leaving Don's and the time that
00:54:39
he is killed but as far as the bicycle goes I had heard that rumor too okay I had heard that rumor too but I had never
00:54:48
seen it in print and why is that important because we have very quickly what we said was a scary fact in the
00:54:59
case that after Brad bolo's body is found his parents come out immediately to the newspapers and to the police and
00:55:07
they're saying you know our son unfortunately had hitchhiked in the past and we warned him about getting into
00:55:14
Vehicles especially with strange people we told him not to hitchhike and then we
00:55:20
have Don templeman his best friend who says yes all of us kids hitchhiked back then he said myself included he said but
00:55:29
Brad seemed to do it more often than other kids our age and so now let's go back and go okay well was there a bike
00:55:39
because that is a key piece of information in my my opinion because if there was a
00:55:44
bike there would a couple things would have to happen one I think he would be less likely to hitchhike right he's got
00:55:51
a bike to deal with right two if he did hitchhike or he was abducted well where's the bike
00:56:00
and we know his parents regardless of what story We Believe maybe they're both true people were out searching for him
00:56:06
before the police were called the police never mention a bike they never mentioned finding a bike not being able
00:56:13
to find a bike his parents never mention a bike and furthermore they also tell the paper not
00:56:22
just was he known to hitchhike but when he arrived at Don templeman's house and this is based off of the templeman's
00:56:28
information and Brad Bal Brad bolo's family's information they say that he arrived at
00:56:34
the templeman house around 12:30 that Friday to hang out with his buddy and they specifically say in that
00:56:42
article that he either walked or hitchhiked to get to the templeman right then we know that they hang out they
00:56:48
play basketball they're up in the attic for a while they're having a good time and at some point Brad Bolino has to go
00:56:53
home and so unless he had a bike there with him previously from another hangout session yeah or or he borrowed Don which
00:57:02
for the last 20 some years Don has never mentioned that his friend borrowed a bike correct so while we've heard that
00:57:09
same rumor and it's an interesting one to ponder and it was one that I really tried to get to the bottom of the best
00:57:14
we can say is that the templeman's and bolos based off of what they said to the papers and to the police at the time
00:57:21
they give all indication that Brad AR at the templeman that day before he went missing later that night on foot and if
00:57:30
anybody wants to go back and reference what we were just talking about with the hitchhiking you can find that
00:57:36
information in the Youngstown Vindicator it was an article from April 5th [Music]
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