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let's talk some true [Music] crime Brian Randall schaer grew up in Pickerington Ohio a suburb of Columbus
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he is the oldest of Randy and Renee schaer's two sons Brian graduated from high school in
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1997 and went on to attend the Ohio State University 6 years later he graduated with a degree in
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microbiology in 2004 he began studies at Ohio State's College of Medicine during his second year of studies in
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March of 2006 his mother Renee sadly passed away due to cancer Brian's friends say that although
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he appeared to be handling it fairly well her death was very hard for him but Brian had a lot of friends to
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help and support him he also became romantically involved with a fellow second-year medical student Alexis
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Wagner she along with their families and friends believed that Brian would probably be proposing to her most likely
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on a trip to Miami the couple planned for the beginning of April on February March 31st classes at
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Ohio State ended for spring break the next week Brian and his father Randy schaer celebrated the occasion by going
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out for a steak dinner that evening Randy noted that Brian seemed exhausted from his studies and cramming for some
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important exams at 900 p.m. Brian met his friend Clint Florence at the Ugly Tuna saluna a
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bar in the South Campus Gateway complex on High Street an hour later Brian called his
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girlfriend Alexis she was away returning to her hometown in Toledo about a 2 and
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1/2 hour drive from Brian's location to visit with her family before she and Brian were due to depart from
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Miami from there Brian and Clint went bar hopping visiting several other drinking establishments and working
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their way down to the arena district at each stop the two had one shot each according to
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Clint after midnight the two met Clint's friend Meredith Reed in the Short North
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she gave them a ride back to the Ugly Tuna saluna and the three of them went into the bar for one last round of
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drinks at some point Brian separated from his friends saying he was going to go talk to the
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band as closing time was approaching Clint and Meredith say they were looking for Brian and calling him
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repeatedly unable to find him they left the bar with the other patrons when the bar closed at 2:
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a.m. then they waited outside for Brian but never saw him they assumed he had gone back to his apartment without
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letting them know Brian's girlfriend Alexis and his father Randy Schaefer both tried to call
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Brian later that weekend but he did not answer on the morning of Monday April 3rd Brian missed the flight to Miami
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that he and Alexis had scheduled long before at that time 27-year-old Brian schaer was reported missing to the
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Columbus Police [Music] Department the investigation LED police back to the Ugly Tuna bar where Brian
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was last seen the South Campus Gateway bar had security cameras detectives reviewed the footage which showed Brian
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Clint and Meredith going up an escalator to the bar's main entrance at one 15 a.m. then Brian could be seen again this
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time outside of the bar around 1:55 a.m. talking briefly with two young women the
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two women leave and then Brian is seen moving off camera in the direction of the bar apparently to
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re-enter later Clint told police that he had seen Brian after he returned inside
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the bar and they were planning to leave but he lost track of him however what investigators could not
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find on the security camera footage was Brian leaving the bar when the Ugly Tuna
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closed to add to the mystery back at Brian's apartment on King Avenue just six blocks away from the Ugly Tuna his
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car was found still parked outside inside the apartment nothing seemed out of place and nothing appeared to be
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missing Flyers of Brian's picture showing a stick figure tattoo on his upper right
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arm were distributed and the Columbus Police Department was asking the public for their help the stick figure tattoo
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is from the cover artwork for the song Alive by Pearl Jam brokenhearted Alexis called Brian's
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cell phone every evening before going to bed for for a long time after The Disappearance usually it went directly
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to voicemail but one night in September it actually rang three times a ping from the phone was detected
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at a cell tower in Hillyard just 14 miles Northwest of Columbus singular Brian's wireless provider said what
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Alexis heard may have been due to a computer glitch in September of 200 8 during a
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heavy wind storm in central Ohio Brian's father Randy schaer was out in his yard
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clearing debris a branch broke off from a nearby tree and fatally struck him neighbors
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found his body the next morning and called police after ry's obituary ran online a
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condolence book was posted one of the signatures posted read to Dad love Brian US Virgin
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Islands this suggested Brian might have left Columbus for a new life elsewhere however upon further
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investigation the note was found to have been posted from a computer accessible to the public in the greater Central
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Ohio area and it was determined to be a [Music] hoax Brian schaer has been missing since
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April 1st of 2006 he is Caucasian 62 in tall with light brown hair and hazel eyes at the time of his disappearance he
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was approximately 165 to 170 lb he was wearing jeans a short sleeve polo shirt over a white long sleeve shirt white
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Adidas sneakers and a yellow yellow cancer awareness bracelet Brian was 27 years old at the
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time of his disappearance in 200 2006 but recently would have celebrated his 40th
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birthday authorities do not believe Brian left of his own accord but it is unclear what caused his disappearance if
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you have any information concerning this case please contact the Columbus Police
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Department at 8776 45 8477 if you do not wish to speak to the police you can submit your tip to the
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central Ohio Crim Stoppers at stop.org or call them at 614 461 [Music] 8477 [Music]
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back in 2016 we covered the missing person's case of Brian shaer and it has since
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become one of our red light cases one of our favorite missing persons cases that
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has intrigued us and the listeners throughout the years joining us today in the garage we're so happy to see you
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guys longtime friends of the show Tim and Lance from crawl space from missing Mar Murray from how many podcast you
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guys have like 10 now all of them except this one okay and I actually I just heard that they bought half of our show
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oo but the sale is currently in the works so by the by the time this episode's over my half you bought my
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half yeah well welcome to the garage guys thank you very much this is beautiful yeah thanks for having us it's
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a lot more cozy than I anticipated it's it's very nice here could you tell us a little bit about your projects uh first
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with the crawl space and then missing Mara Murray sure I'm Tim and uh we we cover a lot of uh missing person cases
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we cover some uh murder cases we kind of bounce around a little bit on crawl space but we will uh do kind of
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comprehensive looks into certain cases like Brianna maitlin for one and we also do missing MOA Murray that is uh 98
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episodes uh deep at the current moment on the missing Mora and with crawl space we try to speak
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with people who are like-minded in in this genre so criminal psychologists investigative journalists other
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podcasters whether uh it's you know True Crime podcasters or maybe somebody that
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has a connection to it um and so yeah we we try to be sort of a little bit more all-encompassing with crawl space uh
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there's also empty frames which season one was about the Isabella Stewart Garder Museum heist in Boston which is
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probably the most significant art heist in history at least in America and we moved on from
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season one to season two we started covering other art heists other art crimes other significant moments in in
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art history because we didn't realize how much we really liked it when we were when we were doing empty frames and we
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made a bunch of connections and these people would email us uh stories say well did you know about this one did you
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know about this did you know that this is a fake and they thought it was real so it really uh it really kind of piqued
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our interest so regarding the missing persons case of Brian schaer I liken you guys to missing persons experts 90 some
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episodes of missing Mara Murray captain and I have been longtime listeners of that show thank you do you guys remember
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the first time you heard about the schaer case I think it was from you guys actually a couple years ago I remembered
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seeing the a video of it and I don't even know where I saw the surveillance video and then yes
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I made the connection after hearing you guys cover the case and then I realized oh that video that I saw that guy who
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left the bar and he was sort of on the edge of the frame of the surveillance video oh that's that guy and I can't
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remember when that video was released or where I saw it but that that was the first time and it was I maybe it was
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like five or six years ago there was like a 9 Minute segment on a national show years ago yeah on the case um any
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of your anything that jumps off the page to you guys immediately any red flags just from your initial reaction when you
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first learned about this missing person's case because all these cases that that you guys discuss on your show
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that we discuss on our show they're all unique in their own way they all have their wise and hows and and what ifs
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that that you go into but any First Reactions that you remember having or first thoughts regarding this case
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confusion and uh it's this is really really got to be one of the most perplexing missing person cases that
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I've ever looked into because the other cases that we cover like Mora Murray brand Matlin and we're
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dipping our toe into Brandon Lawson a little bit I feel like they have outcomes that are a little more Gras
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grabbable graspable this one is just uh I don't know I mean I've been batting around ideas in my head and it's very
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confusing one thing that is really confusing to me is that like Tim said we we cover morea Murray Briana Matlin uh
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Brandon Lawson so you have a single person in a single incident not surrounded by anybody else uh that that
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is in the immediate vicinity you know there might be a house or two here or there but with with Brian Schaefer he's
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in a bar that's very busy and there's a lot of people and he he leaves and you have security footage of him leaving and
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going back in one time and then there's there's no security footage of his actual exit that
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was you know led to his disappearance so all of these things and he talked to the
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band you know all of these things were like well this person doesn't really seem like they
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intended to disappear mhm did he slip and get into an accident and there's no real circumstance in his life that you
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can absolutely pinpoint and say well this is why he's he's leaving like there's nothing in his life that is any
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different from things things that have happened in my life or other people's lives right they haven't disappeared
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well I also think with missing person cases in general that when we don't have pieces of evidence or we don't know what
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the story is we tend to start making it up and so what's weird with the Brian Schaefer case is you have to prove there
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is no evidence that he left the bar you see what I'm saying so it's like there's a lot of times where it's like
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you can go well maybe he went back to his apartment maybe he went to somebody else's house but you can't there's no
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evidence of him actually leaving the bar safely that night well and what's really
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truly at the center of this case and I think it's why it became such a internet sensation you know is the whole
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surveillance footage of Brian going into the bar then we see him come out briefly
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speak with some young ladies and then it appears that he's re-entering the bar and I think that the whole thing of
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having no footage and as the captain pointed out no proof that he ever left that bar or that building is really the
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the thing that jumps off the page right away that's I think that the quick leap that everybody wants to do and it's just
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natural is you have less questions about Brian who he is what was going on in his
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life right less questions about who he was with that night or as you said you know he's in a public place surrounded
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by a whole bunch of people shortly before we no longer know where he is and I think that the natural reaction and
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the natural leap is to go I have a lot of questions about this bar I have a lot of questions about this building I have
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a lot of questions about this area which I think is unique to this case yeah but
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what it makes it makes it even more unique because this structure was a newer build so it wasn't like some bar
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that people have been in their whole life so even talks around Town people would go oh yeah he went missing from
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the Ugly Tuna have you been there I've never been there does that make any sense yeah that that makes a lot of
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sense because you want to somehow identify with it it's just it's another piece of the mystery that you
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have to put together in your head and you have to start there and you have to right you have to start there a general
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description of this building and bar Captain let's try to go through that for for everybody so the the bar itself
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is inside of a a building second floor second floor it shares the building with some other
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businesses it's a lot of things have changed with that building throughout the years um obviously this case is now
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13 years old but um so the bar is on the second floor there's basically one entrance to and from the bar we'll call
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that the main entrance to and from the bar that goes from the bar to the building to the second floor of the
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building and then you take the escalator up and down to get to the main entrance
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of the building right so let's just go you you walk through there's a big parking garage you park there normally
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you walk through a courtyard you get to the Ugly Tuna you go through the main doors you have to go up the escalator
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then there's a little Landing platform and then to the right is the entrance to the the bar once you're in the bar it's
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basically a square and then there's little patio space outside but it's it's a cool patio because you're on the
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second floor so you can kind of look down onto the courtyard and look down onto High Street which is the main
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street of the campus but what law enforcement tells us is well we have footage of the escalators and we and
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what they claim is there is no record of Brian Le that escalator that night the other back way out which would be for
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the band which would be for service workers of the bar and possibly somebody that was in the bar a customer that left
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the wrong way we know through conversations with the band and some of the people that
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work there even security that that door the exit door didn't have a camera on it but what it did have was there was
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a long hallway to get to that exit and that had a camera on it and they claim that there is no sign of Brian shaer
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going down that hallway and that's a straight hallway well I've never been in that hallway it's basically again you're
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on the second floor so it's a hallway that's going to lead you to a possible elevator or stairways right so but we
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just know that if you take the bar which is basically a square that once you leave that front door it'd be kind of
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hard not to be seen by that escalator and then the back exit there's a hallway that that is
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monitored by a camera and they claim now they never released that footage now I have never heard the lead detective uh
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Hurst actually talk about the back hallway it was a a secondary detective I believe detective Edwards he's pretty
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clear that we don't see Brian on that video at all yeah because if they did see him what what do you think the law
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enforcement's response would be to the public that he left the bar that right so they you think and I I agree right
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like you think that law enforcement would give a an an official statement saying we did see him exiting through
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the through the service um door yeah definitely yeah but but let's be a little more clear too because when you
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go hey this guy never left the bar and we haven't seen him so did he die in the bar was there a was there foul play
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inside the bar and there is no evidence of that right the bar was super Cooperative with the police I believe
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they actually shut down for a couple days and and let them search everywhere and so there's no sign of struggle no
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sign of Foul Play inside the bar so it's it's almost like poof he he vanished Into Thin Air absolutely and to put it
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in its simplest form when we say he he never left the the building he never left the bar we have no proof that he
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left law enforcement took that a step further we're we not only is there footage of everyone entering the bar
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going up the escalator they went back and they they accounted for every person that they could see going in and every
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person they could see going out Brian being the only one that that they never could locate could never speak to they
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spoke to everybody that was there that night so much so that there was an individual that they were calling orange
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sweatshirt guy or orange sweater guy right for a while and that's because there was an individual that came into
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the up the escalator they had him on footage and then all of a sudden there's later when they Clos there's this
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mysterious individual that they didn't see come into the bar and they could identify that this individual was
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wearing an orange sweater or sweatshirt it took a while but they tracked down that guy and he had what everybody would
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it's a believable story I went into the bar wearing this outfit and I brought my
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sweatshirt with me I got cold I put it on and left with it on that's why I looked different may have appeared to be
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a different person on surveillance footage so all these people were accounted for now there are obviously a
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lot of theories out there regarding this disappearance of Brian Schaefer but one
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of the more dominant theories well some of the more dominant theories are did someone murder Brian did he kill him
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self is he still alive you know did did the death of his mother just 3 weeks before The Disappearance and the stress
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of medical school caused him to run away from his life for the longest time I thought somehow he got out of the bar
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even though we don't see him made it down the stairs and left the building this obviously would be difficult with
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the cameras but if he did and this is what I've always kind of thought and I believe this was my theory
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when we first covered it was that this was simply a robbery that went bad his apartment was six blocks away it's quite
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conceivable being drunk and missing his ride after the bar closes that he would just walk home well let's go through
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that for a second too so Brian goes up the escalator he's with his friend Meredith and Clint two friends that he's
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been out drinking with all night and he's pretty flirty with some women at the Ugly Tuna at some point they're
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going hey Brian we got to go and he goes I'm GNA go talk to the band They then say we they didn't see
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him maybe he went to the bathroom they I believe they claim that they checked the
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bathroom and they also called Brian I think several times to let him know hey we're leaving and plus the bar is
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closing so they don't hear from him so they take off we we have them on footage leaving the parking
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garage I do want to point out something real quick here too on that note Captain
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regarding them saying his friends Meredith and Clint saying well we checked the restrooms we're looking for
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our friend right the layout of the bar is such that the restrooms there's a very little
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hallway I mean it's like two steps into this hallway and you very quickly can enter the women's restroom or the men's
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restroom that little hallway containing the restrooms is very close to the main entrance of the bar
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so it's not like they went to the other side of the checked the restrooms and he
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could have slipped out the front door without them the friends seeing them they would have been in a prime position
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had he been either using the restroom in the restroom or or attempting to leave but also this bar is such a square that
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if you walk into the front entrance and there's a little bit of a a Nook that you have to get into the bar but once
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you're actually into the bar you can pretty much see the whole layout of the bar so if your friend was way over in
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the corner you could see him so very strange and then for the longest time we didn't know what the name of the
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band was and luckily with um uh a new let's say investigator on the case Nicholas West he was able to come out
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and say hey we we know the name of the band and the band is called Rock house and we were able to actually talk with
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all three individuals and they didn't have anything spectacular to say cuz they don't
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2023 so Brian wanted to talk to the band at like 155 or something that's what um
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I've read and the bark closes at 2 so so around5 is he is last scene going to talk to the band and you just said that
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the band has no recollection of speaking to him and the bar closes at 2 there's a
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bunch of people that are now exiting we've all been in bars where it's the end of the night the lights go on and
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the bouncers go through and the staff goes through and they're like all right everybody out right
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so no one sees him from after 155 and no one sees him after two to when the entire bar is uh evacuated not evacuated
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but cleared I and here's the thing is I I'd actually argue so let's just go through a little
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bit of what the guitar player told me okay and I actually played with this guy uh in a band for I want to say at least
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five years this guy was very meticulous on how he loaded in his gear how he unloaded his gear he was the utmost
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professional and I learned so I mean 10 years older than me but I it's like you play a gig
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with him and you go oh that's how it's done and the guy would get to the gig pull up his car to whatever the the
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entrance was unload his stuff and at the end of the night whether he took his guitar out to the car first or his
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guitar amp out to the car first he almost did it the same way every time you played with him it was like and he
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so I said hey what do you know about that night he goes well I know I was there I know I don't remember much but
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they did have a handful of friends that came out to party with them because it was around Springtime and everybody's
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like hey let's go check out rock house and I believe it was like maybe the second time they ever played
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there they had to go through this back way which there was no camera on and he remembered that there was no camera on
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the back because people just ask him over and over hey you were there the night Brian Schaefer went missing was
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there a camera on the back door he's like no there wasn't but they have the the band on
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footage going down that hallway or that's what the detectives claim so he says they're talking he do doesn't
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remember talking to a guy he also is the type of guy that wouldn't give a guy much of time to talk like oh you want to
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talk about guitar I don't really care so he loaded up his stuff he remember having an explorer at the time and as
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he's loading up the Explorer his buddies not like customers left the same way he
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left and they were all around his car and he also States there's three guys in the band they left the same way all of
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our buddies left the same way and people that worked in the bar left that way so
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there was a herd of people that left through that back entrance and I wonder if that's where the detectives are are
00:34:00
missing something they have to be missing something when they say that everybody was accounted for that's not
00:34:06
accurate they can't that can't be possible because I don't think that's true if Brian got out of the bar it's
00:34:10
true right if well if well how would he get out of the bar without being seen on
00:34:15
either one of those cameras I don't know right so if he didn't get out of the bar
00:34:19
and he didn't crawl up into the ceiling tiles yeah I was going to ask about the roof I mean I like uh hearkens to Alisa
00:34:25
lamb a little bit but was there uh obviously surges of the roof and things like that I'm sure that's interesting
00:34:31
cuz I don't think we've ever gotten into that type of discussion actually with anybody and I've talked about this case
00:34:37
a thousand times what about the restroom is there a window because now you're saying the roof okay so no window so how
00:34:44
would he get to the roof so regarding the band situation the the the stage itself is
00:34:51
like you know it's not like separated from the crowd anyone can just walk right up up to this little stage and
00:34:58
talk to the band at any time the the two times that I have been there it's not uncommon for people in the crowd to be
00:35:06
handing people on stage drinks so there is a lot of little interaction so it's not unheard of that Brian very well
00:35:14
could have spoke to anyone in the band maybe everyone in the band and they not recall him because he's just another guy
00:35:20
at the bar just another 20-some that they talked to 50 different people that look like him that night well and we and
00:35:27
we're all dudes I mean let's be honest if you're playing guitar and there's a bunch of girls there to talk to you are
00:35:32
you going to take the time out to talk to them or some dude you never met but it's also the type of bar that they the
00:35:40
management did not you know frown upon the the band getting nice and toasted while they were there as well so uh
00:35:49
there is one little there is an interesting thing that I that I've recently heard on this case is there was
00:35:57
another exit from the bar and that was a fire exit now so this would be one that
00:36:03
is clearly marked that says you know if you open this door the alarm will sound okay um you know so you it's not really
00:36:10
a public entrance or exit the interesting I thing that I heard recently and I I have no way of
00:36:17
verifying this but someone that was there that night someone that that spoke with Brian and this would be one of the
00:36:26
women that were outside that we see him on surveillance footage at 155 go outside and talk to right just outside
00:36:33
of the bar still inside the building she has said that it was somewhat common knowledge to the
00:36:41
regulars of the Ugly Tuna that that you could open that fire exit without any alarm actually
00:36:49
sounding well and let me stop you there it it doesn't have to be common for regulars it like brought ran wasn't
00:36:57
really a regular there but all he had to do is see somebody do it once that night
00:37:02
and then he was like or be so drunk he ignored the sign right true um and and and right it it's I from what I've been
00:37:11
told that fire exit will lead into what is the construction what would have been the
00:37:17
construction area at that time is that behind the building so Captain helped me out with
00:37:24
that that would have I I thought about like I said it's a new newer build so a lot of people talked about that there
00:37:31
was construction happening some of the uh restaurants in the building weren't complete yet some of the stores weren't
00:37:39
complete yet that speculation has uh kind of been thrown out the window recently claiming
00:37:47
that the stores for the most part were done there was some construction going on some light construction some
00:37:53
drywalling and stuff like that the major Construction was in the basement that there was I don't believe
00:38:01
that the stores were separated yet in the basement and I think they were trying to separate those to give them
00:38:08
possibly storage um now talking with the ban they said hey there was some construction but not
00:38:17
anything that you're going to like fall in a pit to your death and now this has been um put out
00:38:25
in the public l and people have been you put this out on the internet and a lot of people come
00:38:31
back going you know well you don't know for sure and cuz that's one of the big things on the Internet is that
00:38:38
he fell into a hole and got drywalled over or fell into a hole and they put cement on him or he he fell somewhere
00:38:47
and accidentally died and the construction company buried him inside the building and to cover it up this is
00:38:54
interesting I'm looking at this on Google Earth the building and so the parking garage
00:39:00
has always been there correct and that's behind it and it's right on a corner so
00:39:05
the construction was in like the little Courtyard here on the side so it looks like you can walk through a courtyard
00:39:11
where they probably have tables right it doesn't I what I'm saying is I don't see
00:39:15
an area where a construction site would be so big and and sort of treacherous dangerous yeah there were no yeah there
00:39:22
were no like like big holes there were there was nothing that he could have fallen into or anything like that I mean
00:39:29
I it's hard to believe no matter how drunk he is it's hard to believe he could impale himself or somehow
00:39:36
accidentally kill himself while walking through that and then all of a sudden what happens some the next person who
00:39:41
saw him just took him well and we're talking about search sites that once they you know a couple days after he
00:39:48
goes missing we have hundreds of people in that area in that bar searching so I don't think it's that
00:39:56
farfetched that the guy could have had an accident and and hurt himself I don't think it's that farfetched but what's
00:40:03
farfetched is the building's not huge I mean and if you have hundreds of people searching for him they're going to
00:40:12
they're going to come across uh an injured Brian schaer so right so yeah it's not far-fetched for someone to get
00:40:20
into an accident hit their head to get hurt I mean even if he fell and hit his head the the wrong way and and it kills
00:40:28
him so then what happened to his body where who who saw that I I have a hard time believing that a management group
00:40:37
of a bar while it would look very bad would suddenly turn to cover cover this body up let's dispose of it I I find it
00:40:46
really hard that normal people would go so far left of center and and deviate off of the regular way of thinking and
00:40:56
not have one person say guys we should just call the cops and and we'll we'll work this out I mean there might be a
00:41:02
lawsuit but we'll figure this out they weren't going to be culpable for his death you know I don't I mean if they
00:41:09
were or weren't I mean you normal people have that conversation right I mean I guess legally there's maybe an argument
00:41:14
but it's like in that scenario it's not like whoever approached him or found him
00:41:19
killed him so why would yeah it it's really hard to wrap your head around the idea that someone came across a uh
00:41:26
deceased Brian Schaefer and like did something with his body called a friend you know went to bury him or one
00:41:35
person's not doing that now and and two makes it more unlikely too because then you have two people involved two right
00:41:41
two or more that's why I've always wanted you guys to look into this case because it's funny to me that somebody
00:41:47
could look into a case like this and then make the leap that these construction workers that we don't know
00:41:53
who they are we make the leap that they came across a guy that had an accident and he's dead and they covered it up or
00:42:02
there is some thought that they constructed over him on accident that they didn't see him but as we just
00:42:08
discussed this isn't an area where we're talking about huge pits and and you know
00:42:14
deep crevices or anything like that that or that it wasn't checked right and and
00:42:19
the other thing too that we should keep in mind and I I understand that you know
00:42:23
everybody has their own work schedule but he's last scene at 155 is he he entered you know they out
00:42:32
partying on a Friday night so now this is very early Saturday morning he's missing legitimately missing by per law
00:42:40
enforcement by Monday morning so if if if nobody was working on that construction on Saturday Sunday the law
00:42:48
enforcement was back in that building I would say what by noon at the latest right I mean that was the first place
00:42:56
they they I mean they made make a couple phone calls and then they go straight to
00:43:00
that building to look for this individual on Monday on Monday so it seems unlikely too that that he would be
00:43:07
overlooked and accidentally constructed over yeah and also cadav dogs were brought to the scene and they didn't hit
00:43:13
on anything right from my understanding so that would tell you that that he probably wasn't constructed over so
00:43:22
regarding that uh jumping back to that fire exit that led to the the construction area and there was an exit
00:43:29
you could walk through the constru construction area and exit the building and the detective's exact words are that
00:43:38
would be a difficult area to walk through sober but the word I think people make the giant leap when they
00:43:44
hear somebody say that difficult doesn't mean like you right that it's a death life or death situation battle
00:43:52
conditions you know it's it could just be you could trip and fall you know or it could be difficult to navigate your
00:43:58
way but the thing is even though someone could go out that door now what I've been told and what I've heard through
00:44:06
interviews with the detectives involved in this case is there was no and I found
00:44:12
this to be strange there was no camera on that door that you could access from the fire exit through the construction
00:44:19
area however what law enforcement has said on the record that they did was they went to surrounding to neighboring
00:44:26
buildings and businesses that would have had surveillance in the area and they could determine through that that they
00:44:34
they have no reason to believe that he left through that door so that was actually one of my questions the
00:44:43
police looked at all the footage from surveillance cameras CCTV that were available at the time that were
00:44:51
available in the neighborhood in both directions and found nothing right he's on the roof he's got to be on the roof I
00:44:58
mean where does this person go how how in the world does this person unless he changed and put on um a like a scarf
00:45:06
around his face or something he a hoodie something well but cite one particular specific incident where there were I
00:45:16
believe there was a scent that the dogs hit on and it was in the direction of the Wendy's restaurant which I I don't I
00:45:24
don't know the particulars of where that would have been I think it might be across the street right but was that a
00:45:32
dog that was tracking Brian's scent or was that a cadaver dog they the law enforcement later told his father Randy
00:45:41
that it was probably just a a fluky thing that they don't think that the dog was actually hitting on something
00:45:46
regarding Brian that it might have been hitting on just right and the reason why he was
00:45:53
able to tell Randy that is I do do know that they did review footage from the Wendy's uh restaurant mhm so and again
00:46:01
found nothing to give anyone reason to believe that he walked in that direction and Columbus Ohio has a lot of uh
00:46:09
surveillance cameras from what I understand as well so he would have been picked up at some point on camera when
00:46:16
he was walking home right I don't know how far they went into that yeah uh or some of these
00:46:24
stores at that time because the campus was kind of going through a they were revamping it so they're they're making
00:46:31
it a little bit nicer a little more College friendly renovating a little more friendly for everyone actually it
00:46:37
was not so friendly of a place at 3:00 in the morning on a Saturday right uh you dangerous in the '90s you know yeah
00:46:45
but if you look at it now you'd be like wow I would walk anywhere at 4:00 in the
00:46:49
morning down there so regarding where his apartment is in relationship to the Ugly Tuna saluna
00:46:57
bar it's my belief that once he got off the main strip there he's six blocks away down King Avenue and the the
00:47:08
business is there's not many on King Avenue there's a big church there's a whole bunch of like uh
00:47:15
apartments and these are this is kind of an old area an old Street old buildings old
00:47:23
apartments it's my belief and I'm I'm very firm on this is that once he got off that main strip I don't think there
00:47:29
would have been any surveillance right or or or much to pick him up or anyone one one thing I I can't get out of my
00:47:36
head is um you know when you're in a bar when you're in a location or anywhere you know you're often being videotaped
00:47:44
and you don't know you don't you don't know it you're not aware of it and furthermore you don't know where you are
00:47:50
on the frame so if you're trying to hide from a surveillance camera that you don't know what the frame is how are you
00:47:56
going to do that seems impossible right well and like I was saying before we law
00:48:01
enforcement released the footage of the escalator and I believe at some point right after he went missing there was a
00:48:11
website I believe they would send you to and it was like an hourong footage it was
00:48:16
basically 15 minutes before the bar closed to an hour later and I remember watching the whole hour or whatever was
00:48:24
released to to the public now it's just like a couple short clips you see the clip of him going up the escalator you
00:48:31
see him talking to the two girls just outside the bar and then you see him uh you see some people leaving the bar but
00:48:38
you don't see Brian obviously but they've never released that back hallway footage and I just wonder I'd really
00:48:47
like for them to release both of the footages because I think now with people with trained eyes or this arm Shar
00:48:55
detectives how many people could sit there at their work instead of being on Facebook and go through this footage and
00:49:02
maybe pick up on something that they didn't see yeah it's a great point but I think if they were to release those uh
00:49:08
those videos then you would have people uh photograph like the band members for example so you'd have to blur their
00:49:14
faces out and then if you put out a a video with people's faces being blurred out the people the armchair detectives
00:49:20
are going to be like how do we know that's not Brian right well why would you blur out somebody's face why
00:49:25
wouldn't you if you're a law enforcement that's what they do you don't want you don't want uh
00:49:30
regulars you know approaching these people and saying I you I know what you did or what yeah that's true that's true
00:49:37
well and I'm going to give a couple uh statements that are going to contradict themselves but regarding that back
00:49:43
hallway footage let's call it that okay this back hallway they say they've seen the footage they saw the band they saw
00:49:50
other individuals leave through this area I I've Got to Believe that there there is no reason I don't find anything
00:49:58
weird about them not releasing it I what what I think we would have here is if they had reason to believe or any type
00:50:09
of actual evidence that they believe that he left the bar alone or left with someone that would be the statement that
00:50:17
that would be the statement that would because you need the Public's help you need someone to you need the public to
00:50:23
get off this idea of the building in the bar and go okay well did I see something
00:50:28
on the street that night at least the general direction we saw him walking towards this street it's only weird in
00:50:33
this situation because we have this mystery about someone Vanishing Into Thin Air never leaving a bar every other
00:50:40
case where you have a scenario that's exactly the same but there's evidence or something to suggest that they did leave
00:50:48
their location be it alone or with other people what is the statement law enforcement always gives we you this
00:50:55
individual is missing last scene leaving the bar alone last scene leaving the bar
00:51:02
with other individuals we would not only like information regarding this missing
00:51:06
person but we also want to know who these individuals are that were this person was seen leaving with MH and so
00:51:13
that would be there there's no reason for them not to release that type of statement so I I think that we can
00:51:19
firmly say that there is nothing to indicate to the investigators that are closest to this case
00:51:25
that that they have proof that he left the bar now here's where I go to the other end of this and kind of contradict
00:51:34
this I think that they while they don't have any proof that he left the bar I think that all of the investigators all
00:51:42
the detectives that worked this case the longest I think and they've not they've
00:51:48
not been on record to say this I think they all believe that he left the bar and these are seasoned Detectives
00:51:56
are SM individuals and the reason why I say that because we've had at least one of the detectives that you know ever
00:52:03
since that case anytime I'm in a large crowded area I'm looking for Brian's face well if you didn't if he didn't
00:52:10
believe that he left the bar he's not looking for Brian's face in you know in the crowd and police don't often speak
00:52:16
metaphorically right he's not saying you know his face haunts me right well yeah
00:52:20
missing person cases can mess with you in that way though for sure and make you think uh irrational things but I do I do
00:52:28
kind of agree that uh and I I I can see why law enforcement would believe that he is out there somewhere because he's
00:52:35
not in the bar mhm now would he pardon me for mispronouncing this is it the ol olangi olangi would he be Crossing that
00:52:48
River the ol and Tangi River on his way home I don't I don't believe so I don't think so
00:52:55
not the route from not the most direct route from the bar to his house water's not that far from the bar but he
00:53:02
wouldn't be Crossing some Bridge because that's the other speculation too is that
00:53:07
you know guys stopped to take a pissa and uh fell into the into the river and got and got swept
00:53:15
away yeah not a trace of him yeah but yeah but Brian would have to actually go out of his way to hit any body of
00:53:26
unless he was but that's the thing though too is if he gets out of the bar so let's put that to rest there where's
00:53:33
no there's no sign of struggle there's no sign of Foul Play when I have talked to security guards myself they've
00:53:42
said that whole idea that somebody couldn't get out of that complex or that bar without being seen on video footage
00:53:49
is absolutely nonsense that's what security has stated mhm that's obvious viously not what the detectives in this
00:53:57
case have stated it's not incredibly easy but it's not impossible that's what they're saying but but when you I used
00:54:03
to play at a bar across the courtyard and I talked to a lot of the security guards and a couple of them said look I
00:54:10
bet every weekend there is multiple people that leave that complex without being seen on on footage uh like a
00:54:19
clearcut oh I know that's so and so that left the bar so there goes the colonel um so that's coming from security guards
00:54:28
and then coming from the ban they're convinced that when they left that there was customers that there was their
00:54:36
friends there was people that worked at the bar when your buddy tells you a guy that you know really well it wouldn't
00:54:43
surprise me if if Brian was in that group of people when we left what about the parking garage his friends Clint and
00:54:52
Meredith yeah and camera footage from those too from the parking garage yeah from Clinton Meredith yes okay okay so
00:55:00
there's camera footage of them walking back to their car well Captain clear that up for me CU i' I've heard the same
00:55:07
thing too that there is camera footage in that parking garage which which makes sense this is a even to this day now
00:55:15
being 13 14 year old parking garage is still very well lit it's it looks brand new today right it's it's bright as all
00:55:22
get out like you you can't there's not a dark corner in that uh parking garage but regarding the footage do you know if
00:55:29
that's just footage of incoming and outgoing cars and vehicles or is it footage of people I think you can see
00:55:37
some people walking because what they did know and what it there's a video somewhere I think it was like I said or
00:55:46
like you were saying earlier this was covered for like 9 to 10 minutes on a DAT line or 9 to 10 minutes on a 2020 or
00:55:52
something and at some point they have a investigator walking from the parking garage and we know that they walked
00:55:59
through these two pillars and then they walked out the door to the the double door to the courtyard and then they went
00:56:05
up the escalator so if you know that they went through these two pillars you're seeing them on video
00:56:13
footage right and so there's a lot of times when I played that same area where I'd park on the same side try to walk
00:56:21
the same way that they did and and we know from uh because it's a it's a paid garage so Clint and Meredith had to have
00:56:33
an exit ticket mhm so they have evidence that Clint and Meredith left parked there right when when they said they
00:56:42
left right so here's here's a quick little rundown of the end of the night events as I understand them and now I'm
00:56:50
taking some pieces from people's stories and piecing them together to kind of make it a longer timeline that makes
00:56:57
sense to me according to Clint's statement is once Brian came back into the bar this is after talking to the two
00:57:04
girls just immediately outside the main entrance to the bar that he saw Brian enter the bar this is Clint's words on
00:57:12
the record we saw him enter the bar we lost track of him at some point and then before we knew it it was time to leave
00:57:20
so let's extend that on both sides a little bit so at some point I the way that I've envisioned this going down is
00:57:28
that Brian says to Clint and or Meredith I'm going to go talk to the band or keep
00:57:36
in mind this is a this would have been a loud crowded area we know there's a band
00:57:40
playing even if it's a break in music there's a lot of people talking and shouting he could have he could have
00:57:47
said I'm going to go talk to fill in the blank right it could have been anything
00:57:52
they could have misheard him what we do know happens is he does go outside it's fact he's seen on camera he goes outside
00:57:59
and he talks to two young ladies there is according to their words they exchange phone numbers I I I believe
00:58:08
they just gave him their numbers I believe is the way that this goes down they leave those two girls leave they
00:58:16
don't go back in the bar Brian is seen moving as such that you would believe that he's re-entering the bar
00:58:24
you can't physically see him walk through the doors then we have Clint's statement of we saw Brian re-enter the
00:58:31
bar lost track of him then it's last call it's time to go we're looking for him we check the restrooms then we go
00:58:39
outside with the rest of the patrons everybody else is ushered out through the doors now we're outside waiting
00:58:44
around Milling about looking for him waiting for him to appear from leaving the bar and at some point Meredith
00:58:52
starts calling Brian's cell phone and we do know this happen because of one phone
00:58:56
records and two somewhere you can hear a voicemail that she leaves and I think she says
00:59:02
something like it's just a real quick one you know where the hell are you you know it's something like that and this
00:59:07
seems all very the way you would think it would go down we've all been in this situation the only difference is none of
00:59:13
us ever went missing none of our friends ever went missing you know you you get separated and you call them you send a
00:59:19
text well let's let's stay on that point for a second since this is a round table
00:59:24
discussion have you ever been out with a group of friends that you you drove to that bar
00:59:30
with three people or however many people and you left without one of them dude I've been the guy who's who left I've
00:59:38
been the guy that left the group yeah I left all of them there for whateverit yes for what mostly because what did you
00:59:45
say that was Irish exit that's when you don't say goodby you just leave you're just a little drunk usually yeah yeah
00:59:51
and that's because you know if you stay you're going to get over that point of like too much drinking and and you know
00:59:58
your limit so you you you gracefully uh exit the situation you bow out you bow out now from there I would walk to the
01:00:08
train and take the public transportation back to my uh boom you're on camera and
01:00:15
I'm on camera yeah I'm also I'm also like clearly intoxicated and still aware like I can remember
01:00:25
doing this so I'm still aware of what I was doing because I left knowing that if
01:00:30
I had one more that would be too much yeah so it wasn't it wasn't like I was crazy
01:00:37
blackout drunk I knew that that that would be the case if I stayed well now more common for a male to do this yes or
01:00:47
this to be because I think sometimes when people look into this case they go I'd never leave my friend alone and I'd
01:00:55
argue yeah I if if a free if a female friend wanted to stay back and talk to the band I'm not leaving them but if my
01:01:03
buddy was like I'm going to go talk to the band I'd be like cool dude I'm out yeah sometimes sometimes you just lose
01:01:10
track you're doing your own thing yeah mhm and I think the other question the narrative was always Brian was going to
01:01:18
go on vacation starting Monday and he was possibly going to propose to his girlfriend and so the idea that he was
01:01:25
trying to hook up with anybody um I think initially was like taboo to say like because he's missing
01:01:34
we don't want to say there's evidence of him trying to hook up with other girls well there isn't you know he might have
01:01:41
gotten someone's number drunk but that's not hooking up with someone it might not
01:01:45
be cool but but we do have their statements saying that he was aggressively hitting on them okay and I
01:01:51
and I think that's you know again that that doesn't doesn't point to evidence that he was trying to have a one night
01:01:57
stand with anybody but he's also aggressively flirting with somebody that he didn't know and did he
01:02:04
have somebody else on the side did he have did Brian have an exgirlfriend that he called for hookups did anyone hear
01:02:14
about that well so there's some speculation lately that his high school girlfriend
01:02:23
um which was real close to him he grew up in Pickerington and she moved away for school and there was a lot of rumors
01:02:31
that been coming out lately that he had a on on again and off again hookup relationship with her so when she'd come
01:02:39
back into town they would hook up whether or not she had a boyfriend or whether or not he had a
01:02:46
girlfriend so but I as far as that night I don't think she was I don't even know if she
01:02:54
was in in town that night what about his mental psychological autopsy yeah what what's the mindset of somebody so in the
01:03:05
thick of medical school what's that person like outside of going out and having some shots and
01:03:14
and drinking with buddies this is a really driven guy correct yeah absolutely what he was in in uh College
01:03:22
University for six years at that point or seven years committed to being a doctor yeah but I I see I wonder to me
01:03:29
that's debatable whether he was committed to yeah okay just because there's there's very strong evidence for
01:03:38
both sides of that argument right here here's one thing that I found interesting uh is that he worked at JC
01:03:44
Penney at one point too oh yeah you were talking about that before I actually think he worked there for a a pretty
01:03:49
lengthy time and that's my point he worked there for I think four and a half to five years and so that shows
01:03:54
incredible commitment JC Penny no no I I ta guitar like I was telling you maybe 11 to 12
01:04:03
years I wouldn't count what does that mean no well you're saying that because he worked at a job for x amount of years
01:04:11
that he's driven I would say that that that point well no they're saying committed okay yeah I that's a
01:04:20
commitment I mean three or four years yeah because that's a pretty disposable job no to anyone who works at JC peny I
01:04:26
think but there's a lot of jobs exactly like that one exactly yeah so if it didn't work out for whatever reason or
01:04:31
he had to miss a shift and got fired or had to quit because of something awkward
01:04:35
got how many guys did you know roughly in their 20s that were dating somebody for 3 years and you wouldn't you you go
01:04:43
oh they're dating for three years they're committed but you know that they're not that committed to the
01:04:49
relationship all I'm saying is like just because you have a job for a long time it could have been one of the those jobs
01:04:54
where it's like it's really hard to get fired you can kind of do whatever you want all I'm saying is I think I mean I
01:05:03
think it's safe to assume that maybe he was committed but well I I think you have to because that's what that's all
01:05:10
we have to go off of is what the record shows and the record would show that he was an employee for x amount of years
01:05:17
not x amount of weeks or months so if we yeah but my argument is that we all know
01:05:22
somebody that's had the same job J for a very long time that you would not State
01:05:28
them as a committed employee to that employer okay I see your points yeah I think I think what what uh Tim is more
01:05:36
so talking about is committed to that the certain lifestyle that he has created and maintained right you know
01:05:44
he's a longtime student of the same University he's a longtime employee of the same employer and so regarding his
01:05:53
mental makeup up let's say the unfortunate horrible thing is his mother passes away like 3 weeks
01:06:00
before he goes missing and so he was very close to his mother there's no one to say anything different and no M even
01:06:09
if you're not close to a parent a parent it's a tragic thing yeah a lot of people
01:06:15
close in the circle call him a mama's boy and that's not a bad thing he really cared about his mom yeah what about his
01:06:23
financial situation was was he going to get an inheritance I guess so back to the the schooling thing real quick yeah
01:06:32
um but where I was going with that is there there are several people in his family that say he chose the medical
01:06:39
field as a way of making his parents proud uh it it was something that that was obvious that they would be extremely
01:06:47
proud of and he was very according to according to these individuals he was very driven to become
01:06:56
to work in the field of medicine a lot for his mother for that that that relationship be it whether she's around
01:07:04
or not now the the difficult thing about his mental makeup would be his father did kind of in my opinion skew The
01:07:16
Narrative a bit on Brian and this is not uncommon for parents or loved ones to Champion or romanticized their missing
01:07:27
or or or lost one but you know the narrative that he kind of put forward and fed to the public is Brian was uh
01:07:37
well on his way to graduating something that he had you know been working toward
01:07:42
for many years he was getting very good grades always has he was going to uh propose to his girlfriend probably on
01:07:52
this vacation right but let's dive into that those things right there yeah he never purchased a ring okay that
01:08:00
was my now and I understand you can you can't ask somebody to marry you without a ring that you can also purchase that
01:08:05
ring on the weekend it wasn't like there was there was a couple days left for him
01:08:10
to be able to purchase a ring right but there's there's but there's no evidence of him purchasing a ring to actually
01:08:17
there's all this evidence saying he never did right we don't know that he ever went and looked at anything or or
01:08:22
pursued that his grades he got if you if you talk to other family members and now
01:08:29
his father's passed away so we we we don't have him here to argue this but the other family members say he got okay
01:08:35
grades it wasn't like he he wasn't like you know you know Dean list Dean list yes
01:08:42
yeah he wasn't doie Hower there's a lot of accounts saying that a lot of accounts saying that he got excellent
01:08:48
grades right I think a lot of people would look at someone who's in medical school and wants to be a doctor they're
01:08:54
instantly like very very smart doyer well yeah but I think sometimes again it's a missing person so when you're
01:09:01
interviewed how was he as a student well he was he was excellent and the whole time they're going that guy was a [ __ ]
01:09:07
bag and showed up drunk all the time but I can't say that cuz he's missing but he's got a degree in microbiology like I
01:09:14
I got to be honest I couldn't do that I could wake up in the morning and get a degree I I can commit myself as hard as
01:09:20
I can and I don't think I'd be able to do it well after drinking with you last night I agree with you so you can see a
01:09:28
bit of the confusion regarding his lifestyle though where I I firmly believe that that Randy maybe even
01:09:35
unintentionally skewed The Narrative Randy the father yeah sorry thank you uh I think he kind of skewed The Narrative
01:09:43
whether he did that knowingly or not and and it might not mean anything at all but I think what it is is it's more ways
01:09:53
to suggest that something happened to my son that was beyond my son's control and
01:10:00
the the exact wording that police give when they're seeking information regarding Brian's whereabouts or what
01:10:07
could have happened to Brian is that they do not believe that he left on his of his own accord but their his
01:10:15
disappearance is mysterious it's unexplainable yeah suspicious disappearance right I'm on the uh I'm on
01:10:21
the old bing machine and it looks like a lot of new construction in the area so I'm wondering what there's even a on uh
01:10:28
on Earth here you can see a a construction site that has just been started and right across the street MH
01:10:36
right obviously that's a that's a new one that's not the one from when he went missing but there's a building here on
01:10:41
the corner that looks brand new does is this I don't know how familiar you are with it um this looks brand new but
01:10:46
there's a camera right there on top of the building that that shows the entire intersection which I think is
01:10:52
interesting but this I I would just be curious if this building existed back then I also wanted to just on the
01:10:57
surveillance topic real quick um I just wanted to mention that it a lot of bars had live streams back back uh 10 15
01:11:04
years ago on the internet and it actually looks like the Ugly Tuna saluna had a live stream so yeah but and what
01:11:11
makes this a little eerie and we talked a little bit about this last night is pretty much anything from that weekend
01:11:18
as far as promotion who the band was the calendar everything has been swiped away
01:11:25
yeah that's that's a law enforcement thing I think yeah see see that's that's interesting
01:11:31
because a lot of people think well that's shady on their part but law enforcement has said time and time again
01:11:37
this company has been very Cooperative to us and it's also a weird thing too because if he went
01:11:45
missing south of Columbus not by Ohio State campus this would stay on the internet and
01:11:53
information would stay on the internet longer but because it's connected to the university it gets buried in Google
01:12:04
searches like they try to hide some of this stuff who who who Who's they who's well is it is it intentional yes it's
01:12:12
the universities do it the university is trying to suppress some of the information that would be put out there
01:12:20
to protect their reputation well we've seen this uh a couple times cuz Joey leut went missing around that area
01:12:27
wasn't a student but anytime that there's a been a missing person from Ohio State you get on Google it's
01:12:35
flooded initially and then they start burying that that's why I that's why that's why I'm always on Bing because
01:12:40
they do not want you they do not want some somebody's parent Googling Ohio State and the first thing that comes up
01:12:48
is medical students missing yeah we've heard that with Mora Murray and UMass as well but um that's uh out of their
01:12:55
control at this point and the state of New Hampshire right at the people who run the white mountain region Junior
01:13:00
College enrollment just went way up way up I'm going community school for you son I feel safe at a community college
01:13:09
what about his cell phone yeah when did it stop ringing that's weird and when did it start ringing again and then
01:13:15
stop so his his girlfriend would try it repeatedly and then one day it so it would always go to voicemail when she
01:13:23
was trying it yeah and then one day it rang like three times it seems like that it didn't
01:13:31
ring at all from the beginning once they knew he was missing right they would call and it would just go straight to
01:13:38
voice so that night that that so that Saturday and that Sunday people are calling Brian now
01:13:47
so in the we know the girlfriend was calling on Saturday it's just you know boyfriend's girl girlfriends tend to
01:13:54
talk every day you know no big deal she's not heard from him but I think she kind of sounds the alarm sometime on
01:14:01
Sunday when she returns she's up in Toledo at the time visiting her family so she's like a two-hour drive from
01:14:07
where he was last seen so she comes back into town and I think by this point Brian's father Randy
01:14:16
has already called attempted to call him but there's no red flags for Randy yet until she returns to Town the girlfriend
01:14:26
and alerts Randy saying I you know I haven't been able to get a hold of him they go to his
01:14:33
apartment he's not answering the door then this this spawns uh the family the girlfriend to
01:14:43
start looking in the area okay and by Sunday night they're looking in dumpsters that's not not a great feeling
01:14:52
not a great situation when you are looking in dumpsters so they at some point notify
01:15:00
the police department to which the the the decision is made I don't know if it was made amongst the family and law
01:15:08
enforcement or if it was just made amongst the family that well if he doesn't show up for this plane ride this
01:15:15
this flight to Florida on Monday morning he bought the ticket yeah and we should throw this out
01:15:23
there too this is this is a guy that is very much in debt from his from being a college guy for so many years so it's
01:15:32
it's not like you willy-nilly just buy a plane ticket and don't show up right do
01:15:37
do we know if he charged it or if he uh paid debit or whatever my my guess this is just a guess is that he charged it
01:15:45
because I don't remember if it was the private investigator that was later hired by the family or if it was the one
01:15:52
of the detectives involved involved but when discussing Brian's finances one of them pointed to he had multiple credit
01:15:59
he had you know multiple lines of credit and credit card debt okay which is not that uncommon for a student because you
01:16:07
have especially a student of that as far as books and stuff goes those can be very expensive and and J C
01:16:16
penny is not paying for all that have you guys oh sorry so back to the cell phone thing though so it we know people
01:16:23
are calling him that weekend we can assume that the the calls simply to find out where he is continued for some time
01:16:31
right but at some point his girlfriend heartbroken decides to cope with this it's some kind of it's comforting to her
01:16:40
to call his cell phone and she said that she would do it once a day at least once
01:16:44
a day and it would usually be in the evening well he goes missing March 31st April
01:16:51
1st she's called calling this daily calling the cell phone daily and it was at some point in
01:16:58
September where the phone always went just straight to voicemail but on this one particular day in September it rings
01:17:06
three times I how in the world did she handle that she said it was the best sound she ever heard I think yeah I mean
01:17:14
and then but to so quickly have that hope just crushed right that's insane yeah cuz then they contact the cell
01:17:23
company so what was it so we got a ping right well singular told the yeah we did
01:17:28
get a ping so the Ping went to a tower in Hillyard Ohio so Columbus is directly in the center Hillyard would be as I
01:17:37
call it just straight west it's like a straight shot west of Columbus but the newspapers said it was 14 miles
01:17:44
Northwest of Columbus so but again if that's incoming call is that is that reliable cuz you're now seeing that with
01:17:51
like the Edon SED case where they're saying ping technology especially around that time uh only worked when it was
01:17:59
like outgoing call would be reliable but an incoming call wouldn't be reliable well and to further that thought they
01:18:07
give a pretty detailed explanation for that but it is a little bit of a guess but you're but let's keep in mind where
01:18:15
we're hearing the explanation from is law enforcement we're not hearing it directly from singular who law
01:18:20
enforcement spoke with but what law M has stated is that they were told by singular that what most likely occurred
01:18:28
is that there was so much action on the circuit so many people calling or or using data whatever that when she
01:18:37
attempted to call him it should have just gone straight to voicemail but instead there's so much activity it then
01:18:44
bounced to another Tower and when it bounced to another Tower is when it would have started ringing and then once
01:18:51
it's accepted by that Tower it's dropped because or or went straight to voicemail
01:18:56
because now it's actually connecting it's almost like a hold on signal for the person calling even though you think
01:19:02
that it's oh my God some he turned on his phone or somebody's got his phone the crazy thing though too is what's so
01:19:11
wild about this it's not unheard of for someone to kill someone and keep their phone I mean we know Long Island serial
01:19:19
killer did it to the point where he not only kept the victim's phone but then reached out to family members of the
01:19:26
victim to talk them and harass them right and that would explain the hundreds of cell phones in your trunk so
01:19:33
I remember before this explanation went out before this explanation came out by police because there was a rumor that
01:19:40
his phone rang MH and my immediate you know my immediate thought is somebody kept his phone and just happened to have
01:19:48
it turned on at that moment for whatever reason and it caught a ring it caught a
01:19:53
call yeah my initial thought was it was Brian turning on turning on his phone in
01:19:57
this suburb of Columbus which is a little distance away and uh yeah also not where he grew up in Pinkerton
01:20:05
Pickerington Pickerington not bad close enough so how far is Pickerington so it's almost on the
01:20:12
opposite side so Columbus would be pretty much in the middle and Pickerington would be to the East and
01:20:18
hilard to the West I would have found it to be better evidence if the ping happened in pick
01:20:23
yeah right did you guys hear any rumor about him wanting to break up with his girlfriend beforehand wasn't there
01:20:30
something out there that he said he wasn't coping with the loss of his mother and he told his girlfriend that
01:20:38
he she should move on the voicemail he leaves for his girlfriend the same night that he went missing he tries to call
01:20:45
her at some point while they're out bar hopping right and I he leaves a voicemail for her that that can be heard
01:20:52
you can track it down on the internet but it's to me like if you know I'm a I'm a
01:20:59
beautiful woman right you are I'm sitting a cow it would be it would be the voicemail that I as a beautiful
01:21:06
woman would want to receive from a handsome man I mean he it's like from Tim yes basically Brian and
01:21:13
this isn't verbatim but he he calls and he says something like just still out with the friends I they were asking
01:21:20
about you I'm telling them how wonderful you are you are the most amazing woman I
01:21:24
love you see you soon is that does that sound about right Captain yeah thank you
01:21:29
we should pause and and actually take a listen to it hey gorgeous I just want to say hi
01:21:35
and tell you that uh you're an amazing woman that I love you so all right [Music]
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