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Captain but I'm going to say it anyway it's obvious the detectives were eager to talk to a one David sea loock and
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they did so first on November 8th 1992 and in that conversation in that interview David told police that he knew
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Tracy since grade school they had gone way back and then they reconnected a couple months earlier prior to her death
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when he had ran into her at her mother mother and stepfather's bar the name of the bar is The Village Pub he says and
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tells detectives that he moved in with Tracy for a short period of just a couple of weeks but they broke up and he
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moved out of Tracy's apartment two weeks prior to her murder he said that they broke up
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because he felt bad that he still had feelings for his ex Janet and you'll remember from our last episode
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that it was a little more than just an ex-girlfriend ex-boyfriend situation between David and Janet they had been
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together for seven years and had two kids together Tracy it seems like everybody is in
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agreeance of what went down and how this relationship between Tracy and David fell apart because he tells detectives
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look I I broke it off because I felt bad that I still had feelings for my ex Janet Tracy is telling friends that she
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was tired of David being in constant contact with his ex and even hanging out at Janet's house all of the time the
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former girlfriend is Janet krao who was age 23 back in 1992 yeah it'd be an uncomfortable situation where you're
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seeing somebody and they have to go to their ex's house every single day well this is one of those things that's
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difficult right because Tracy needs to be in constant contact with her ex regarding their child right right but
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it's unacceptable to her to have David be in constant contact with his ex regarding their children I can see
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Tracy's side of this right because what we have here is David who doesn't work very often real winner and he's probably
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at his ex Janet's beck and call and we know this to be true because he's going back daily to watch the children and I
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could see how that would be very unsettling yeah and you're young you're a little emotionally immature and you
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don't know what's going on behind closed doors exactly if you are you're now rooming with someone who is
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going on The Daily back to their ex's house and you don't know what's going on during that time but again we have these
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young adults trying to make their way through this difficult world when we talk about people in their early 20s
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being young and dumb I swear a lot of them still have that soft spot on their head that's how that's how young and
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undeveloped we all are at that time now let's dive into this relationship between Janet and David so well we were
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also young and dumb at one point and we're still probably really stupid I'm wearing a helmet to protect the soft
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spot on my my head right now detectives notes indicate that David and Janet broke up several times over the course
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of their seven years together and some of those breakup s were due to what Janet reports to police as David's
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violent temper she says that he had assaulted her on several occasions and that he had cheated on her multiple
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times over the course of that seven years Janet said that he hit her on occasion and has given her several black
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eyes and a head injury now you hit a woman you're a loser we need to be super clear about this this is Janet's
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statement this is what she is saying we don't have confirmation of this in the form of the the courts or law
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enforcement because she openly expressed to detectives that she refused to press
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charges against David but multiple people attested to seeing Janet with black eyes at some point right she says
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that those black eyes came from David we can't say we can't sit here and 100% say
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that that is true truth and fact we can only report what has been reported to police you decipher you decide for
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yourself now Janet says that on the occasions that David would cheat on her there was at least one occasion where
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she would go and confronted the other girl or the other woman but either way to me one the relationships are not
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worth it but two you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation right so we got
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this weird situation of you know tra on more than one occasion finds herself in a relationship with a guy who may just
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be out of a relationship may still be in a relationship and she doesn't mind going and confronting the other woman
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but then we have the reverse of that on this same side where Janet doesn't mind in going and confronting the person that
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her boyfriend might be running around with all these individuals would make great guests on the Jerry Springer Show
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so the short of it captain is Tracy and David start this relationship David is kicked out of his
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place that he lives with Janet goes to stay with Tracy for a period of roughly two or so weeks eventually Tracy and
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David and their little relationship as well because we have David who is continually going back to Janet's to
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watch the children and help out so it's a messy situation but it looks like it's
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in the process of being cleaned up however this is just a like two weeks before the murder of Tracy harness the
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thing here is I'm not going to lie I was incredibly suspicious of Janet and I can
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see all the reasons to have a motive here I agree maybe there was some kind of interaction some kind of
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Confrontation between the two that got out of hand look you don't have to we should point this out there does not
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have to be a plan for murder for there to be a murder the the intent doesn't have to be homicide the intent could be
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oh I went over there to talk things out with her or to discuss the situation with her and we ended up in a knockdown
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drag out this unfortunately is the result and now we need to get Justice for our victim here according to Janet
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oh Janet she says that her and Tracy actually had a couple of talks um that were not as heated as one might
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anticipate and again while I was very suspicious of Janet or maybe Janet and I don't see a situation
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where Janet and David do this together unless they completely went off the rails right but Janet tells the cops
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that she was fine with the situation that her and David were over and she's fine with the situation and while I
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don't know that that is true right I can only base it my opinion off of what I see in the notes and how it's described
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to us but I really get the feeling I mean we've all been there right where you're just kind of done with somebody
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yeah I'm looking at them and you're I don't know about everybody else out there I just kind of become numb to
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whatever they do or say like I just don't care at some point I don't really have any feelings or emotion about it
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once I'm able to move on from somebody I don't know what Janet's situation is other than she saying me and him are
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done that was the end of it and there's but my gut feeling tells me that like I believe her I believe that it's over
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well it all points to this crime of passion so it's like oh you're trying to take my man okay I'm going to go over
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here and confront you gets out of hand I murder you and now I don't want the man
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you know you just did this horrible crime to be with him and now you don't even want to be with him so I it doesn't
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make a lot of sense well and I don't know if this is Janet trying to throw David under the bus and I am in complete
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agreeance with you if if the relationship is over over then the obvious motive for Janet to be the prime
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suspect is kind of Gone by that point now there could be some things beneath the surface that we are unaware of but
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the the weird reaction that we have here is that when police first go out to find
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David it's Janet that they encounter because they know where these two live and when they first encounter Janet
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she's busy she's in the act of walking groceries in from her car to their home or their apartment I I can't recall if
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it's a home or apartment but police are very blunt with Janet they say hey we're
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here to talk to David and you because Tracy Harkness has been killed and Janet's reaction according to the
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police is oh David killed you know something to the effect of did David kill her or David killed her something
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like that where she reacts and puts David right in the driver's seat of being the perpetrator of this homicide
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now as weird as that sounds we should point out that if you are phrasing a question or presenting to some as we're
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here to talk to David because this person was murdered right I think the natural reaction from anybody would be
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they must be talking to him because he's involved or they came and sought him out
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because he's involved right she's just implying what why they would need to talk to him but also if it's true that
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he was physically abusive then she knows that this douchebag is capable of harming a woman of possibly murdering a
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woman right and I just go out of my way to say that In fairness today David not that I see any reason for me to try to
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be fair to him but I I don't know him I wasn't there at the situation all I can say 100% is you have these accusations
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of domestic violence you have evidence that suggests that those accusations are probably correct but we don't have
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anything definitive saying this guy was convicted of domestic violence right so In fairness to him I think we bring it
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up that way now the thing here though too is it's David that police want to talk to we all this information from
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Janet oh Janet but it's David that they really want to talk to and they do get the opportunity to speak with David on
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several occasions but I would see why after talking to Janet people would be suspicious of her I mean I see a lot of
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reasons to be suspicious of Janet but also reasons to not be and a big part of that my mind keeps going back to the
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idea that a couple days after the murder when they go to speak with David and Janet David is is not currently living
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at Janet's and we have information that states clearly that David was in the process of trying to get back with Janet
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and Janet telling police that look it's over and done I've moved on that's somewhat backed up by the fact that he's
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not currently living there when they go to speak with him that's a very good point let's go through a portion of an
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interview between the lead detective and David seock and here's an excerpt from one of those interviews and it's
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detective Robinette says what do you think about all of this of course he's meaning the murder right clock's ANW I
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don't know why someone would do it Robinette you don't have any clue David responds she didn't bother anybody she
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would never yell at people or antagonize someone to do something like that that's
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a bit of a weird statement to me because I can see her putting herself In Harm's
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Way a little bit when she's uh confronting exes or what have you and she's clearly not running around
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in the best of circles with some of these friends anyway but I think what he's trying to
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say Let's Pretend let let's give him the benefit of the doubt right innocent till proven
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guilty he's never been charged with anything in this matter he may simply be saying if he's innocent he may simply be
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saying she would never yell at people or antagonize someone to do something like
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that something this extreme that they would have that extreme of a reaction to their interaction together a little more
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about that interview the detective ask what have you heard about Tracy's death to which David replies just what I've
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seen on the news someone forced their way in or something and she had been hit with a big object the detective asked
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when you were living there with Tracy how was she about locking up answer oh she always locked the door she always
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made sure question did she have a key made for you answer I had a key but I gave it back to her
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again if that's correct I mean he's not hiding the fact that he did at one time have a key the big question then becomes
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where the hell is that key why wasn't it found in the apartment and if it wasn't
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F you know since they did not find it in the apartment who has it and could it be
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this man and could he have been lying about giving that key back we don't know my problem is the keys are never found
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in her apartment and I don't know where else would Place those keys and the fact
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that they never turn back up makes me lean towards the idea that David just never gave the keys back but now it's
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possible that that he is not responsible for this murder at all but he just lied
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to Cops and said or lied to everybody and said well I did give her back these Keys cuz he didn't want to look more
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suspicious the interview continues question would the same key fit the front and the back door
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answer I don't know I never used the front door Tracy always used the back now remember he didn't live there for a
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very long period of time so it's reasonable to believe that that he never used the front door at least never used
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the key to gain access to the front door it would have been great to be a fly on
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the wall during this interview or interrogation how however you want to view it and then he is asked if Janet
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would have gone out to Tracy's apartment to confront her or to say something to her or does he believe that she would
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have done anything to her to which he responds no Janet's not that type of person well fascinating answer because
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they just lobbed up it's a softball they put the ball on the te and you could hit
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a home run because if he was guilty of this this would be a great way to point the finger at somebody else do you think
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Janet could be responsible for this is she capable oh yeah she's capable pointing the finger somewhere else
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there's your scapegoat right if you're guilty and she doesn't know anything that that what you may be guilty of that
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being Janet there's your softball of yeah yeah she was she was as crazy as they come I I could totally see a
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situation where she would go out there and confront Tracy b [ __ ] crazy but he he doesn't take advantage of that either
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he's too dumb or he doesn't see the opportunity or he has no reason to have a scapegoat the weird thing about that
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answer though too though Captain is No actually that's not a great answer because we know of at least one
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occasion prior to this where she did confront someone that he had run around on her with so it's that whole I I say
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take that with a grain of salt because we just can't figure out or make heads or tails of who is responsible for this
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homicide based off of some of this information now one thing that we need to really focus in on is let's get back
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let's get away from these these characters here and get more into the timeline because it doesn't matter if you sit
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here and look at this thing and say all right I I could see a motive for one two
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three four five of these different characters to have a motive to kill Tracy Harkness motive doesn't matter you
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could you could have a whole long line of people that dislike the victim well there's a lot of people in this circle
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that you can find motives for but it's like did they have the opportunity were they even in the area we have a timeline
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that is not going to where we have detectives saying that other individuals if I had to rule someone out it would be
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him not David it would be Michael because of the Alibis because of his timeline let's look at the timeline for
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David seelo So Janet kicks him out roughly on October 1st right and then later we know that Tracy their
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relationship ended as well and so after their relationship ended which is supposed to be weeks
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before the murder we have David seelo who is staying at his friend's home Rand this
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man's name is Randy and he's sleeping on Randy's couch and this is going on for approximately two to three weeks leading
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up to the murder now on that Thursday which is the the important date here in our timeline that Thursday November 5th
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1992 the day in question according to the timeline David arrived at Janet's house remember he's going over there
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daily to watch the kids take a shower do some laundry things like that he arrives
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at Janet's house around 11:00 a.m. like every other day he says that they had an
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argument because he wanted to move back in she says no he says during the course
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of this argument he headbutted the wall oh that's smart and so when detectives are speaking with him he has visible
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cuts and bruises on his head that's fishy now either he's telling the truth and he headbutted the wall during this
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argument or these could be marks and cuts that he has on him because he attacked someone it's fair fishy Janet
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backs up this portion of the story that David headbutted the wall and says that he did have some scratches on his
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forehead afterwards and at least one of the scratches was bleeding the police when they interview him of course
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they're taking photos of this injuries these these head and facial injuries that that he has yeah or this dumbass
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gets into argument with Janet runs his head into a wall and then later that night commits the crime both could be
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true at the same time exactly both could be true or the other thing that we of course everybody's going to want to know
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is when did these injuries actually appear even with Janet backing up this portion of the story when did these
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injuries first appear now it it looks like going through all of the reports that Janet is not the only person that
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reported to police or told police that they had witnessed these scratches or injuries to
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David prior to the murder prior to Thursday night afterwards after this fight after he headbutts the wall
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because that's always that's always the smartest thing to do in any situation just headbutt the wall genius right he
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says that he left janets uh this would have been around 310 p.m. that Thursday afternoon he went to work and only
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stayed until about 6:15 p.m. he says he left early or asked to leave early because he had a headache this
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presumably from headbutting the wall well I guess the wall won police did confirm that he was at work for that
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period of time for that three hours and five minutes that day based off of speaking with his employer and verifying
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the time sheets of that day so after that he says he goes back to Janet's they talk for a little bit and then from
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there he goes to Stony Frasier's house Stony boner so this is a good friend of his and he says that he's at his buddy's
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house around 6:30 he went there for the purpose of borrowing a pool queue a lot of these individuals that that are
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involved in this mess Shot Pool regularly they played in these pool tournaments and in these pool leagues
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billiard leagues so around 6:45 he says he's walking into the village pup where he shot pool he says for maybe
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45 minutes or so sometime after 7 p.m. he said that he and some other guys on a pool team walked to friendlies this is a
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different bar where they're going to go shoot pool this was for an actual pool tournament that was scheduled for that
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evening it's amazing how much this guy does and how many hobbies he has when he doesn't have a job now there are reports
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from several people that are at this Friendly's bar that David seock was not so friendly while he was there because
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there's several reports of him being one very drunk and two quite pissed off yeah
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he was drunk in public I don't know when the aggravation or where he became obviously angry or pissed off to the
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other patrons of the bar but one thing that did go down and this is reported by several people that
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were at the bar that night that David seock started yelling at someone on the phone so apparently he
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was trying to play for money right he's trying to play for like bucks right and because we talked about his sketchy work
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history look this guy doesn't have the hundred bucks to put up for his own game of course so he's drunk he's trying to
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borrow this money or get somebody to back him in this game and of course nobody's willing to back him and that's
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when he it's the reports come from him being angry with people at the bar again it's hard to say how angry was he before
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this all happened I think this is just a situation where he's it's snow Bing right he was pissed off when he walked
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in there and he got more angry that things weren't going his way the thing that's weird though is there are several
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reports uh that say that he was on the phone and he could he was overheard on the phone now nobody knows who he was
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talking to but he's calling the person a [ __ ] multiple times during this phone
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conversation and yelling at whoever it is he's on the phone with him this guy's a pretend tough guy now we do need to
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point out something here though that this person whoever he was talking to it's highly unlikely that it was Tracy
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that he's talking to because remember she is at the lingerie party until 10:30 p.m. so unless he managed to call her at
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this party right and get her on the phone and then later nobody at the party report that she took a call that she's
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getting yelled at definitely seems like something people would remember this she
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he's talking to somebody else in my not Tracy yeah I agree with you it makes more sense exactly there's no evidence
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of that and it doesn't make any sense either because she wasn't even home at the time so again he for him to be
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talking to Tracy he would have had to call the party that she's at we have no indication he would have known the phone
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number and we have zero persons at that party saying that Tracy took a phone call at the party or that she got upset
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because somebody was yelled at her on the phone there's zero indication that he was talking to Tracy is there any
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evidence of who he's talking to I have no idea who he was talking to and it doesn't look like police had an idea of
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I prise wa for all right we are back cheers everybody and cheers to you Colonel cheers to all the people in the back
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cheers to all the people at Friendly's bar as we discussed maybe not everybody so
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friendly at the bar but the key thing here Captain The crucial moment that we really need to
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discuss in our timeline here is we have David seock who says that he stayed at Friendly's bar until 10:30 11 or maybe
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11:30 p.m. that night okay 10:30 11: maybe 11:30 that night however we have multiple people at the bar that say no
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he left before that he left so we have a few different opinions on what time he left or what time he was last
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seen by these different people at Friendly's bar but some people have him leaving the bar as early as 9 some
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people have him leaving the bar as late as 10:15 nobody in the reports has him leaving any later than 10:15 not 10:30
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not 11 not 11:30 like he says that's a problem because you are one lying to law enforcement but two you're essentially
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trying to establish an alibi if he knows what time the victim was killed yes that's correct so what we have here is
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his timeline is not matching up with the witnesses the people at the bar David seock says you know regardless of what
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time he left the bar he says that he returned to janets that night walking there from Friendly's bar now I don't
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know the distance between those two locations but I'm guessing that they're rather close everywhere that he talked
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about going leading up to Friendly's bar he's on foot anyway so I'm imagining that all of this stuff is pretty close
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together now in Janet's interview she says that she's not real sure what time David seock arrived at her place after
00:32:49
playing pool that night of course she originally says maybe 8 or 9 p.m. okay so that doesn't really match up with
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what he saying and that doesn't match up with what people at the bar are saying very frustrating it' be very frustrating
00:33:02
for law enforcement she does say that she she later says that she is uncertain uhuh to be clear she's uncertain of what
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time he showed up that when when asked of what time to give that she needed to provide a time that's her gut reaction
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maybe 8 or 9 o' but does go on to say that she's not certain what time he arrives other than she says I know that
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the kids were still up when he got there and I was busy cleaning the house when he arrived now Janet says that she
00:33:35
believes that David was at her home from 9 to 12:30 so after midnight that night
00:33:42
we do have another person who is there as well and it's a little confusing to me if this person 100%
00:33:52
backed up the times that are provided but this this person's name is listed and because I cannot
00:34:00
confirm if they gave a statement that they witnessed David seock there and present and accounted for from 9 to
00:34:09
12:30 I'm not going to give out their name here's the problem though even if they did give that statement which I've
00:34:17
not seen let's say they did give a statement backing up and confirming the 9 to 12:30 p.m. uhhuh how much weight do
00:34:23
you give that statement provided that you have m multiple people I'm not talking about one or two or three people
00:34:30
I'm talking about a minimum of six people that were at the bar and none of them have him leaving in time to be
00:34:36
there at 900 pm at Janet's house at 900 PM right and even his own words I stay till 10:30 11 11:30 MH and
00:34:49
that doesn't go with what other people witnessed at the bar so his whole timeline is all jacked up and that's not
00:34:57
good when you find yourself on a short list of Persons of Interest in a homicide investigation where is he
00:35:04
claiming that he went after right because he's we know that he's not allowed to stay at Janet so my guess is
00:35:11
he probably goes back there I do believe that he went back there at some point because we have a another person the the
00:35:19
man that he was staying with his friend Randy says that he picked up David seock
00:35:25
from Janet's home around midnight or received a call around midnight to go and pick him up this seems like none of
00:35:31
their story is line he says he then picked them up and then he along with Randy and two other persons they went to
00:35:39
Meyer well it's a great time to get produce I believe this was the Myer located on Bryce Road at the time and
00:35:47
they went there just to pick up a few things to where David purchased gum and cigarettes
00:35:55
now police would later find a receipt for this purchase and Randy is saying that he
00:36:04
returned David to Janet's home around 1:5 after going to the Meer now Randy would then go and drop off the other two
00:36:14
people that were with them and then he circled back picked up David from janets and then they return to Randy's house
00:36:23
where they both fell asleep watching TV yeah something doesn't feel right about that story but no all those people
00:36:31
though if their time frame is just off by a little bit it still puts him on the east side of Columbus which is a good 30
00:36:40
minutes or so away from the murder scene that's correct now the only things that
00:36:46
I'm saying happen for certain here is that I believe that at some point after shooting po I believe that David did go
00:36:54
to Janet's house now was that at was that at uh closer to 10 o'clock like you know or it none of it adds up depending
00:37:03
on who you talk to you check it with the next person in line and the times don't
00:37:07
add up well telling time is H Janet's times don't match David's times David's times don't match Janet's times David's
00:37:14
times don't match the people at the bars times it's all very wonky and then you could say that maybe some of Randy's
00:37:22
times match up with with Janet's times but really what I feel like we have here and I feel very
00:37:32
confident saying this right it looks to me like we might have a two-hour window of where this person is unaccounted for
00:37:42
and then not only that you throw in some weird things too you can already see reasons not to
00:37:49
believe everything that everybody is saying when all these times don't match up right right so let's throw this weird
00:37:56
thing in there that we have the statement that David brought a pool queue with him to go to Meyer it's how
00:38:05
you check your produce I don't know now mind you if the reports are correct and he is drunk like they said he was maybe
00:38:11
he just wasn't thinking and just grabbed it went out the door maybe he thought there's a chance we might go shoot P
00:38:17
right I don't know but but let's If he if he's going to Meyer and that's the only reason for him to be picked up in
00:38:25
the first place why take the P why does he need to go back to Janet's briefly while these
00:38:31
other two are dropped off it almost feels like to me like we have some missing time from this individual's
00:38:38
timeline and then we have other people around him that are trying their best to fill in the blanks to fill in those gaps
00:38:45
they just don't know where the gaps are or what or what they should be filling it in with yeah because there was a part
00:38:50
of you if your friend was being questioned for a murder where maybe you're your gut is telling you my friend
00:38:59
wouldn't murder somebody maybe he gets violent every now and then maybe he does some stupid stuff but he's not going to
00:39:05
murder somebody you try to fudge your story a little bit to help out your buddy I will say this Captain is the
00:39:11
best person in the world Janet and David and a lot of these individuals here that we're talking
00:39:18
about and we're questioning their movements we're questioning their statements at least early on in the
00:39:24
investigation all of them appear to be attempting to cooperate with the investigation and cooperate with police
00:39:32
and I say this in the sense of there there were searches that were going on of these people's homes and their
00:39:38
vehicles and everything I saw Captain says that these were consensual searches that the police didn't have to work too
00:39:46
hard to get permission to go in and search the place so that's one in the favor of all of these individuals now of
00:39:54
those searches one of them in particular of Interest was a consensual search of Janet's home and her car this takes
00:40:02
place on November on November 12th the search of her vehicle revealed a floor mat which lit
00:40:10
up for traces of blood a claw hammer was found under the driver's seat which had
00:40:16
according to Dr Norton's measurements given in the autopsy the report states that or at
00:40:26
least some believe that the claw hammer that was found in her vehicle that the measurements are similar that they align
00:40:32
with those of the measurements given by the good doctor so these items are seized of course and then that's
00:40:41
when Janet is brought back in for a follow-up interview well look I I hate to bring this up all the time and I know
00:40:50
you can't use them in a court of law but this would be a great time to get a barometer of if people are telling
00:40:56
telling the truth because we have people telling stories that don't line up if I
00:41:00
was law enforcement I'm pulling out the old lie detector so I can get a sense of
00:41:05
who's telling me the truth or just to start scaring people into telling me the correct story here's a couple things and
00:41:14
this is where the story gets even more confusing so the first thing that the police want to know and you can tell
00:41:21
they've kind of really honed in on David at this point even though we find this incriminating possible evidence in
00:41:28
Janet's vehicle so one of the first questions they want to know is hey do you ever let this guy drive your vehicle
00:41:36
Janet says no no she did not ever let David Drive her vehicle and goes on to say he has his own vehicle he can use
00:41:45
his own vehicle and then to further along that story she says that they actually had an argument because on that
00:41:53
Thursday night she at some point prior to Thursday gives David $30 so that he could go and get tags for
00:42:03
his car he spent the 30 bucks on something else doesn't get the tags for his vehicle and ask Janet if if he could
00:42:13
borrow her tags from her car cuz he's a dumbass she grants him permission of course they're in an argument because
00:42:19
hey what' you do with the money I gave you cuz he's a dumbass now she's mad she wants her tags back rightfully so she
00:42:26
says that David gave them back to her on Friday so detectives of course have a lot of questions about him a lot of
00:42:32
questions about his car a lot of questions about her car but the questions that I think are the most
00:42:39
important from the interview Sergeant deskins asked Janet was there any work done on your car last
00:42:47
Thursday Janet last Thursday no Sergeant deskins was any work done on your car last Friday Janet no deskins follows up
00:42:57
okay Saturday and the answer from Janet is no all right I want everybody to remember that
00:43:04
because on the 13th Jerry Johnson a very good friend of David clocks and Janet's tells police that he was
00:43:16
replacing the brakes in Janet's car on the day of the murder and he cut his hand in bled he did not know had sorry
00:43:25
he did not know he had bled inside of Janet's vehicle he said that he just noticed it he just
00:43:33
noticed the cut when he was finished with the work and he washed up [ __ ] and then police are now asking this
00:43:40
Jerry guy and Janet hey was your vehicle operational on Thursday night to which Jerry is telling police no that vehicle
00:43:48
was not operational because it had no brakes I was fixing the brakes it was parked overnight at someone else's home
00:43:55
and we his name is on record saying that this Jerry guy was going to do the work
00:44:01
first thing in the morning I know they're young but this is loser Janet takes off the tags gives them to David
00:44:07
for him to use and then he gives the tags back on Friday afternoon and now the vehicle is working again we can base
00:44:15
that off of the situation of she's walking in groceries when she's notified on Friday that uh or I'm sorry when she
00:44:23
is notified on that Friday or Saturday that Tracy Harkness was killed right so this is this is where none of this
00:44:32
portion of the case makes any sense you can see what appears to be oh there there's
00:44:40
never been any work done on my car wait we found blood in your car oh test the blood though now all of a sudden there's
00:44:47
been work that was done and it was the mechanic guy helping me out that probably bled inside of my car and he's
00:44:53
presenting that information to the police and then you have the weird situation of
00:44:58
the trading back and forth of the pl of the tags or plates off of Janet's vehicle all during the time in question
00:45:06
here and then you have David clock's timeline not lining up with that of the people at the bar or janets or
00:45:13
randies it's again I think what we have here is I think we have a situation of someone some ones are covering for
00:45:22
somebody else trying to fill in those blanks and those gaps they just don't know a what do the police know that we
00:45:30
don't know we don't know what gaps to fill in what lies to create and none of these
00:45:36
lies that are creating are covering anybody else's tracks along the way right but you think like I said if you
00:45:43
have this mat that's filled of blood you test the blood if it's if it's Tracy's blood then winter winter chicken dinner
00:45:54
well that's what's even more weird they run test on the blood it comes back it's not human
00:46:02
blood so why this is what I don't understand why is this guy lying for them right either
00:46:10
somebody's lying here because either work yes was done and you chose to lie about it or work wasn't done and he
00:46:18
chose to help you out and lie about it but why create the lie at all if you're not trying to cover up Tracy's blood
00:46:27
right and then you have this weapon that is a is a possible murder weapon a tool
00:46:35
that is possibly a murder weapon but then again there's no blood or evidence that it connects that tool to Tracy
00:46:44
hardness or to the murder yeah but we also have evidence or it seems that we have some kind of evidence that somebody
00:46:52
tried to clean something up there was some paper towel or some towels and is it possible to get into this
00:47:00
altercation this murder goes down the person then decides to wipe their arm down because they got blood on their arm
00:47:09
oh I got to I got to make sure I clean off the blood and then I got to clean up this this mess on this weapon and now I
00:47:17
got to leave but to me I don't know if this evidence found in her car points to Janet more than it I feel it almost
00:47:28
points more to Janet than it does to to David well you would think so because she's saying
00:47:33
one it's her car and two that that she never let him use her vehicle I think the better question is did he have
00:47:42
access to it not did you let him use it but does he have access does he know how
00:47:50
to you know if she fell asleep could he take the vehicle the thing here though let's let's pretend for a minute that we
00:47:59
know and we don't know this but let's pretend for a minute that we know that she was only killed by one
00:48:05
person and only that one person may know the details of the time that they went to her apartment the time that they left
00:48:14
her apartment how long they were at Tracy's apartment where they went where they came from and where they went
00:48:20
afterwards let's pretend that only one person knows that why in the situation would a bunch of people be lying to the
00:48:28
police and coming up with these stories that don't that conflict with one another these stories conflict with one
00:48:34
another to me that's because that's because they don't know the details if if I'm your friend and you ask me to lie
00:48:43
for you or if for some reason I believe hey I would be helping out the captain here I don't know what happened he's
00:48:50
probably innocent of everything he's a good guy but don't do that turn turn on me but oh I should probably you know I
00:48:58
might have to FIB a little bit or exaggerate a little bit what I keep going back to is the clearly somebody's
00:49:04
lying to police because the stories conflict all these stories cannot be true it's physically impossible hold on
00:49:12
hold on one second though because I think sometimes it goes back to your theory you say lazy or
00:49:21
stupid right but sometimes it's it's liar or stupid and there's sometimes look there there could be a good
00:49:33
possibility that law enforcement is asking these people a few days later and these
00:49:40
people don't have much of a life they run here and there and everywhere we went to this bar we did this and they
00:49:48
don't know exactly what time it was or what time somebody left and so it it is possible that some people are giving
00:49:57
misinformation but they don't even know it's misinformation it's just the best they could do it was the best answer
00:50:05
that they could give law enforcement I don't think that holds any water at all and I I do want to clear something up
00:50:11
because I think you got my credos wrong here so lazy or stupid I put that on police and on detectives when I see a
00:50:18
problem with an investigation I say say it's either either lazy or stupid in some situations when it comes to the
00:50:27
flip side of that coin suspects and people that may have been involved in a crime
00:50:35
it's one of these situations if not all of them is just another great example of
00:50:40
either stupid or liar right and and I think what what I'm getting at here though the reason why I don't think that
00:50:47
we can give them the benefit of the doubt saying look they're just they're just dumb they just don't know they don't
00:50:54
know what really happened that day they they're confused about what happened that day here here's pretty
00:51:00
clear-cut liar stupid to me you're asked three times if you had any work done on your vehicle right
00:51:10
every single time you say no did you have any work done on your vehicle on Thursday no Friday no Saturday
00:51:18
no and then we found blood in your car and now all of a sudden it's followed up with
00:51:26
this Jerry person coming out of the coming out of the woodwork saying that hey I was fixing the brakes on her
00:51:32
car both of those things didn't happen two people didn't get so confused in in this world that we live in that one of
00:51:41
them saying now that I worked on the vehicle and the other ones said originally no there was no work done on
00:51:47
my vehicle right so again I don't know who is being covered up for what what I do know is
00:51:57
this David clock's timeline is a problem and it's only a problem for David seock
00:52:04
but it's also a problem because he has violent tendencies and he had no place to
00:52:11
stay and so there's motive for him to go back to an ex-girlfriend's house to go hey can I stay here again like you said
00:52:23
doesn't have to be premeditated but then he goes to stay and he goes hey let let
00:52:28
me stay here no no we're done we're we're through I got to work in the morning you need to go and now he's not
00:52:36
getting in his way and just what what happened earlier that day things weren't going his way
00:52:43
and this dumbass decides to fight a wall with his head so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he tries
00:52:52
to hey I'll sleep on the couch no no it's not happening well why can't you help me nobody else is staying on the couch
00:53:01
just let me stay on the couch oh now I'm not going to fight the wall I'm going to fight
00:53:08
you and that's a a very real possibility the other thing that's tricky here too Captain is remember we talked about
00:53:17
where you can kind of start your belief of when do we have the time of death what time did that occur and would
00:53:25
probably say that your earliest window there would be probably 10:40 p.m. because everyone's saying
00:53:35
that Tracy left the party at 10:30ish we know that it takes 10 minutes approximately to get from the party to
00:53:43
Tracy's apartment now we have people at Friendly saying that David left as early as 9:30 we have
00:53:51
him saying on the flip side that I left at 10:30 11 or 11 11:30 only the killer knows what time
00:53:58
that they need to cover their butt for if he left at the earlier part of that where did he go if he is the killer
00:54:05
where did he go for that time period because it's only a 15minute drive from friendl to Tracy's apartment now keep in
00:54:13
mind we do have people that have him at the bar as late as 10:15 which that aligns a little bit more with what I
00:54:21
believe the police suspicions were of David's time line in comparison to Tracy's timeline right that's a that's a
00:54:30
very good point so we should point out though that of all these people that are interviewed while there were rumors that
00:54:37
some people may have known or heard who killed Tracy I couldn't find anybody that's on
00:54:44
this short list of Persons of Interest what we are calling Persons of Interest that was openly accusing somebody else
00:54:52
on that list of having committed this murder in fact everyone's saying quite the
00:54:57
opposite in regard to other persons on this list when asked by police they're saying no he or she would not have done
00:55:05
this they're not that type of person they would never attack somebody or intentionally kill
00:55:12
someone the weird thing though to Circle back to that we found this in your car and your car wasn't worked on now it was
00:55:20
worked on the thing here though Captain is why is that lie created just because they didn't find anything
00:55:30
incriminating in your in your vehicle still does not explain way why a lie was [Music]
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