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we left off with that strange text that was sent from Chase to his aunt she responds asking if he's okay and then
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receives no answer from chance now Chance's mom said that he did not use emojis and so she's very suspicious of
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this text she believes that someone else had his phone at this time now that we have a little bit more information about
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the timeline let's go through it in a clear and concise manner before we move on so based off of all reports sometime
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between 720 and 7:30 p.m. chance left his in-laws Residence at the 700 block of O Street at 7:45 he calls his friend
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Matt asking for a ride again Matt is several hours away this doesn't seem feasible 1 minute later 7:46 he talks to
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Bailey this for the last time he tells her that he is walking South and as you and I pointed out yesterday Captain that
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is not accurate so either he is fibbing to her doesn't want her to find him or he is lost already at this point just a
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short 16 to 26 minutes into his walk at 7:49 he's seen walking past Domino's Pizza and Garing heading toward Scott
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Bluff this is at the intersection of 10th Avenue in stable Club Road 7:51 p.m. last scene on video walking by
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himself at the intersection of Terry Boulevard and stable Club Road in Terry town this is the last confirmed sighting
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of chance 8:45 p.m. last time friends or family members spoke to him unclear whether he actually responded to any of
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them or whether they could just see that the text were red 9:08 p.m. that is the
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strange text from Chance's phone to his aunt 9 to 9:15 p.m. approximately this is when the
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significant thunderstorm struck the area approximately 900 p.m. his phone pinged in the vicinity of Al Road South
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of the western travel terminal convenience store the data comes from an arc that's the police's term an arc that
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is a couple miles long covering an area encompassing Scots Bluff National Monument property and Garing to West
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25th Street in Scott Bluff so a large area there and at approximately 9:15 p.m. the phone shut off for whatever
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reason now it's worth noting that the timeline is longer than the amount of time necessary for chance to walk the
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distances he is believed to have traveled it would only take him about an hour to walk to the area of the wtt
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truck stop for example no one knows where he was or what he was doing in the 2 and 1 half hours between when he left
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and his last phone ping it sounds to me though captain that chance is probably only Vaguely Familiar with this area so
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if I'm the investigator on this case I have a couple questions I want to see who saw him at the golf course did
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anybody see this confrontation happen I don't think there's any other eyewitness
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other than Bailey that says chance was at the grandparents house and left from the grandparents house I don't believe
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there was any other family member that actually saw him there again like you said there's gaps in the time online
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that's a big question for me another question why didn't Bailey try to contact him by
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phone after their last conversation at that point she would had some communication with his family why
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wouldn't you try to call his phone why W you try to text well to be clear she did
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um it's just she never speaks to him again after that marker that we gave in the in the timeline yeah but I think her
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if you look at her phone records or maybe it was his phone records I don't think she actually tried to call him
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after it got dark and once the storm happened you think at at some point when they claimed that they stopped searching
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for him because the storm got so bad you think during that whole time that you're
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searching for him in the storm that you'd be trying to call his phone and and I I haven't seen the records of any
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phone calls being made after it got dark also so you have the lake the river those have to come into play based off
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of his location also like you brought up this mysterious text was it just a butt
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dial or was there something more to it well and you bring up a good point here now you know remembering that bayy told
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Chance's parents that they had stopped looking for him because there was this storm so one I think we want to take a
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look at the storm first so we have the US National Weather Service that issued a sever thunderstorm warnings for that
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night so we know the storm happened right that's not in question and we know that it was a pretty severe storm this
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given by the standard of the National Weather Service so they issued warnings for this storm and estimated winds up to
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60 M an hour with penny size hail a flash flood warning was issued until 1:00 a.m. on July 7th remember he walks
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off according to Bailey story 720 to 7 30 on July 6th and sure enough there was a very significant storm that night
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right in the area where Chance's phone last pinged information we found shows that the Scots Bluff estimated that gust
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of wind were in the 70 mph range so trees were down and one entire out building blew away the whole thing
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didn't last that long though so starting roughly around 9:00 p.m. and ending by 10: p.m. but the storm
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dropped more than an inch of rain in that short time period Bailey said she figured that chance took shelter in a
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nearby bar or some kind of building and when she woke up the next morning and he
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still wasn't there this is when she knew it was really bad so being perfectly authentic here Captain I I had some some
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concerns about the statement of well we stopped looking for him because the storm was coming in
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that is just a poorly written sentence that made me super suspicious because I mean think about any situation where
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you're trying to locate someone or a lost dog or anything like that do you wouldn't the
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storm heighten your sentences and increase you wanting to find this person sooner even if it's in the course of the
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storm yeah that's where I think there would be frantic text messages and frantic calls saying hey hey look
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whatever we were arguing about at this point doesn't matter tell us where you're at so we can come get you you
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know we can deal with this later and so reporting in in that way to me is it's just not it's just bad it's just bad
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work right there and the the reason being is because the rest of the story seems to be that she's telling his
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parents at 11: p.m. hey we stopped looking for him because the storm was so bad so if the storm starts at
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9915 she's saying this at 11 so there's a good chance that they were still looking for him during the course of the
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early parts of that storm if not the entirety of it and it's also reasonable to believe if you're a Searcher or even
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one of us on the outside looking in to say yes it seems likely that he would have taken shelter somewhere once this
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storm rolled in and there that's going to hinder our chances of finding him and so of course called off the search at
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some point so where where that Mis where that bad reporting in the beginning of my research really raised some red flags
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for me after reviewing the story in more detail I don't think so anymore I I don't really question the movements of
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of Bailey and her family according to what we're being told yeah from Bailey if they actually
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searched and again we we don't know that we don't know that 100% again I still question if you're making
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contact with his family why aren't you trying to make contact with him but also when we talk about missing person cases
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a lot of times it's okay well he was off and he was in this bad storm but like his friend says M what his best friend
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says Matt Miller you know this guy's not an idiot you know Matt seems to have a a
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pretty good head on his shoulders he's saying look if if something happened where um he died in that
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storm you're more likely to find the body Mother Nature is not going to dig a hole and then toss him into a grave if
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something happened to him you know where he got you know maybe a tree fell over and hit him or whatever you would find
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his body MH uh they have not been able to do that now I I do kind of disagree with Matt Miller and and Chance's mother
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as far as like you you don't know how you'd react act I mean look 70 mph winds that's tough and I don't know if
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anybody's been outside when it hails but that can be a rough situation too is it
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possible that you go to the banks of you know the lake or the banks of the river
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to try to find some kind of shelter you're swept into one of the lakes or Rivers I think as far as in if I was in
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charge of this investigation the river is pretty big obviously and there's some very deep
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Parts I don't know if you could exhaust that theory but I think you could exhaust the theory of whether he went
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into that lake or not it's you know still a decent sized Lake but I think with the proper search teams you could
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get to the bottom of if he was in that lake or not well and that was some of the concern because we have the police
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that have even stated that in that much rain referring to the storm that occurred that night there is a
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possibility that people can slip into rushing streams and rivers and there was apparently a flash flood warning in that
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very area that night but I have read multiple online posts that the North Plat River in Nebraska is not Swift or
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dangerous but you know you have to wonder could chance have ended up in the river remember his phone did show that
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he was in the area of the North Plat right around the time that the storm hit what they're saying online is true it's
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not known as this raging River but it would have been higher than it ever was and it would probably been moving faster
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than it ever was at that time period we should also point out too that even though the official searches ended after
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about 6 days or so looking for chance that the searches conducted by volunteers and Bailey and her family and
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Chance's family and friends those continued on and on uh for a good amount of time in fact it was just I believe
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the following weekend that they had about 30 to maybe 40 family members and friends that were out there looking in
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those same areas and in fact branching out into neighboring towns that may not have been searched previously and even
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across state lines into torington Wyoming which is interesting because that's basically where he says that he
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was heading right that night when he speaks with his friend Matt and these were pretty organized searches from my
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understanding we had people on Horseback people on foot and people on ATVs all out there looking and some of them were
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out there looking from sun up to sun down and unfortunately again in this situation they end up finding nothing
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and I mean nothing it's not it's not we didn't find chance it's we didn't find any sign of him well his personal
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belongings his phone nothing right and I think you agree with the statement and tell me if you do or or don't by there
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being a storm you also become more vulnerable at possibly getting into a vehicle that you normally wouldn't get
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into tell them Large Marge sent you that's that is a concern too when you see the uh the thunder rolling in and
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the the the lightning starts hitting and even hail at some point yeah you sing it
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gar Brooks yeah you might be willing to get into a big rig that you wouldn't have before that that storm starts and
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who knows maybe by this point he feels like he's struck out with with friends trying to get a ride from them and he's
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desperate and he just wants to get to to torington or or he just wants to get anywhere out of that area uh or just in
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from the storm well yes he's reaching out to his family and friends for help but what he knows more than anybody
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knows well once his phone dies right he's reaching out to his friends for help right right there seems to be no
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indication that he reached out to family in fact it seems like there's a chance that he may have ignored calls or text
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from family on purpose after reaching out to Matt right um so now let's talk about Matt a little bit more here um
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what we have here captain in the weeks and months that passed after chance goes missing eventually Bailey's going to
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return to morof she does start attending nursing school as planned uh or maybe delayed I'm a little confused on that
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timeline the house remember they had re recently purchased a home right that was
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for closed on after some time Chance's friend Matt Miller who we've been discussing quite a bit he the two of
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them were going to start that job together on that Monday and chance goes missing now now Matt's working 3 weeks
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on and one week off that's his schedule what he did was he took to returning to Garing to that area in his week off to
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search for his friend and then he ultimately started a Facebook page called let's start with chance that
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organized grassroot searches for chance over the period of several months these are all well executed searches using
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borrowed drone equipment and getting permission from even private land owners to search their properties again these
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may be properties that were previously unsearched again no trace of chance has ever been found and I feel like I'm
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constantly defending Bailey on this but a lot of people online have have given her Flack because she hasn't done a lot
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of interviews and and now 2 years later when news agencies and and journalists maybe even podcasters reach out to her
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she's not doing any interviews what her claims are is that her family has received some threats um based off some
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of the interviews that she has done and so she doesn't want to put her family through that but also it could just be
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that people misunderstand or or take your statements and in whatever Direction they want to I would just go
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back with the lead investigator when he says she was interviewed everybody in her family was interviewed and they were
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all cooperative and he said that their properties were searched as well yeah and I'm glad that you point that out
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because sometimes when people duck media they duck the newspapers or podcast they're they're thrown into a bad light
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of well they must be guilty of something because they don't want to they don't want to have to tell their story too
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many times because they might get tripped up on something we can only go with what the experts say and and
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Captain you're exactly right the expert here is this investigator eids and this is a direct quote she meaning Bailey
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she's always been very Cooperative with me very cordial interviewed her at length my first interview with her was
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probably a couple hours long so she's always been very Cooperative end quote Yeah she she made a claim of about
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saying that she was cleared than other people were clear that's that's actually not accurate um maybe law enforcement
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told them hey you guys aren't suspects at this time who knows but until they find him they're not going to clear
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anybody and that's just right that's just this the smart thing to do well and there's no need to clear anybody because
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there's no indication of Foul Play as pointed out by law enforcement and then you have the flip side of that coin that
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they go on to very quickly point out that there's no evidence that there wasn't Foul Play so a very uh a very
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mysterious situation here now what we have that I wanted to get into here Captain is an update we we had an update
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so we mentioned the the Facebook page that was put together and about four months after Chase vanished his
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family issued a pretty lengthy statement on the Facebook page I'm not going to go
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through all of it it's still available on online for people to read again it's about 4 months after he went missing the
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reason why I'm not going to go into all of it is because a lot of it is repetitive of of things we've already
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covered within this case but I do want to address some of the issues that they addressed in their their statement and
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this is interesting to me because it seems to address some of the rumors that were going on at the time so about
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halfway through their post it says there are two different video surve type recordings of chance walking that
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his family again these are all their words that his family and they are specific here his mother father brothers
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and wife so all five of them are fairly confident that this is Chase he is upright walking with purpose and
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determination and the five of them say the same thing that he does not appear to be drunk or in any way impaired now
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again as Captain pointed out that is certainly Up For Debate yeah we will agree to disagree they go on to address
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another issue here the phone did Ping near the wtt truck stop in Scots Bluff which means that it was within Tower
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range of an arked area they're using that same terminology that the police was using during this specific time this
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fits the timeline and description of what was stated above this does not mean and they they want to be very clear here
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in this statement this does not mean that he was actually ever at the truck stop they go on to address the
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cement rumor saying the cement yes this was poured the week chance went missing this is not a new development Chance's
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family was aware and this has been investigated fully to their satisfaction again we pointed out that it sounds like
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what the police were saying that this was debunked pretty early on in the investigation cement was poured a family
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friend or somebody that knows Bailey family so of course the rumor was well he must be under there and they poured
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the cement to cover it up it appears that everyone agrees that that is not what happened and that they are
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satisfied with that result they go on to address the cell phone now this is not Chance's cell phone this is an
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interesting little rumor here that was going on it says the cell phone left on chances and Bailey's porch at their home
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in morcroft that's what they're addressing they say this cell phone belonged to a homeless guy it was fully
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investigated by the DCI while yes Matt was in route another good friend of chances who is also a neighbor went and
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picked it up so that nothing happened to the phone and it could be turned over to
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the police so I guess some random phone was found on their porch and this phone was collected by somebody and turned
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over to police they have figured out no this is not Chance's phone well just like Bailey's family has been pretty
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Cooperative with police it seems like chance Chance's family has been equally as Cooperative with the police yeah and
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I've heard his mom say that you know she'll call frequently asking for updates in the case as will other family
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members of chances but in this statement they do say some nice things about police and their statement reads law
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enforcement everywhere including in gar is overworked and underpaid we believe they have done the best they could with
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what they had there are things that everyone questions such as where is County state and federal agencies why
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haven't they done more or XYZ to be honest no one knows for certain what has or hasn't been done because this is an
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open ongoing investigation and they can't tell us everything but that doesn't mean mean we can't continue to
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the family releases their statement we get a press release from the Garing police department they did a media
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release of their own and again they're reiterating most of what we have already covered the most important portion of
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their statement was in regard to the cell tower information so I'll read that portion and this is verbatim here it
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says there was a lot of information floating around that Chance's phone last pinged at wtt in Scott Bluff this
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information is not correct Chance's phone last communicated with a tower near Riverview golf course just west of
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Scotts Bluff because of cell phone technology the information did not greatly narrow down the area chance may
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have last used his cell phone the last time Chance's phone was used was shortly after 900 p.m. on July 6
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2019 in an area 2 to 3 miles south to Southeast of that Tower I like that portion of the statement because it's
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very specific even though it's still leaves a wide range of space where he could have been 2 to three miles it goes
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on to say that starting July 8th the Garing police department and several other agencies and volunteers conducted
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searches in the areas that cell phone information showed Chance's phone was pinged so searching a very large area
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they mention all all of the resources and equipment used in the searches and state that as of November
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27th 2019 no evidence or traces of Chase Englebert have been discovered the release also states that they have been
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able to follow up on dozens of tips and information that have come in so lots of
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tips are coming in they're letting us know they followed up on them investigators have also followed up on
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dozens of potential sightings of chance in numerous States including Colorado Wyoming South Dakota Nebraska Iowa
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Kansas Texas and Missouri the law enforcement agencies in the jurisdictions where the potential
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sightings were reported have assisted in looking at video and other requests made
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of them thus far none of the potential sightings have resulted in any useful information that will bring us closer to
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finding out what happened to chance so at least they are receiving some tips especially at that point in the timeline
00:30:59
within the first four months that he was missing and as stated these are in multiple States across this great
00:31:06
country and they're contacting those jurisdictions the jurisdictions have been cooperative and did their
00:31:11
investigation and unfortunately they're not finding chance either like I said I I like the demeanor of the lead
00:31:18
investigator Brian Brian eids which I believe he actually worked for the FBI at some point but he was saying that
00:31:25
during this investigation they've had uh times that they have have used the FBI as a resource and um different FBI
00:31:34
agents from different states and basically when he goes through the list during his
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interview he mentions I don't know five or six different agencies that they've worked with I I do want to put out that
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that uh you know bayy has kind of said that look the they didn't take this serious from the beginning and and maybe
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that would have changed some things but look a lot of these departments are underfunded and this is July 4th
00:32:06
weekend there is a lot of calls I think it's like the the most domestic violence
00:32:12
calls or normally over the July 4th weekend that's because I'm out in the streets raising hell just beating
00:32:18
everybody no but here's the thing when when that is said by Bailey I want to counter that with the fact that she
00:32:27
didn't call to report him missing until the following morning yeah so she can question how they reacted once they
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received the information at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday but keep in mind that's news to
00:32:42
them at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday when according to her he went he went a Walkin at 7:30 p.m. on
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Saturday they don't have much communication or she doesn't have much communication with him after about 20 or
00:32:56
30 minutes minutes after he's gone a bad storm comes in around 900 p.m. they call
00:33:02
off the dogs and quit looking for him at some point between 9 and 11 p.m. and then they wait a full 12 hours to report
00:33:08
him missing so I'm not trying to point the finger but if you're going to say well they didn't take it super serious
00:33:16
from Jump Street well I don't think you and your family took it super serious from Jump Street either and I don't
00:33:21
really blame Bailey's family or the police department for not taking it super serious from Jump Street no I I
00:33:29
definitely don't blame him I I question why wasn't there more urgency because of the severity of this
00:33:36
storm right and I I hope that it's not a situation of Bailey and her family saying you know what well he's he's a
00:33:46
real jerk and he stormed out of here and he said some things to us or me that I didn't like and if he wants to stand out
00:33:52
there in the freezing rain well so be it you know I hope that that's not the situation I hope that they did continue
00:33:59
to look for him and at some point decided you know what he probably took shelter somewhere we cannot make him
00:34:05
answer his phone and we have to go home at some point I I sincerely hope that that's a situation I do want to make
00:34:12
sure too as we're going through some of these posts and these media statements and releases from the Garing Police
00:34:19
Department you know we kind of hitting some of the highlights if you will of their statements rather than rehashing
00:34:25
everything that we've covered so far they do end these statements with reminding the public that this is an
00:34:31
open ongoing investigation they're still looking for chance they're not going to
00:34:36
press any charges should they find him he's not done anything wrong but also the reminder that if you believe you
00:34:42
have seen him or if for some reason you believe you know what has happened to him that you should call the Garing
00:34:48
police department at 30843 65089 we will have that phone number in the show notes
00:34:57
uh for today's and yesterday's show and they also say that you could contact the
00:35:03
Garing Police Department via Facebook so there's there's your ways to pass along
00:35:08
any information and you know captain and I always say the same thing don't sit around and wonder if what you have is is
00:35:16
good information or bad information give it to them let them decide if you think
00:35:21
you saw something or if you heard a rumor some trucker picked up a cowboy somewhere and the area Garing in July of
00:35:29
of 2019 and something went down pass that information along to the appropriate people there are e even with
00:35:37
the the difficulties that were going on with Bailey's Family and Chance's family
00:35:42
there people there that are hurting and they're hurting bad and there there's a son that is missing his father and there
00:35:49
is a wife that is missing the answers uh of what happened to to her husband well
00:35:55
I'm glad you Burton that up because one of the things with the eids one of the things he said that and I find this very
00:36:04
telling they have multiple stories of a robbery going wrong mhm multiple stories
00:36:11
now they have they have no evidence for or against these are tips that have come
00:36:15
in and what's interesting about this captain and I know you're going to get to it but what's interesting to me about
00:36:22
this is multiple stories coming in that yes they have some different details within those stories but there's a lot
00:36:28
of similarities too and you tell it cuz you tell it better anyway no I I think I
00:36:33
think you will but uh I just have I reviewed some some pretty short information that eids had stated we've
00:36:40
received those tips we're looking into it because there are similarities in some of these tips that have come in
00:36:46
Yeah so basically you know maybe the the set of people in the rumor is the same but the details are different on how it
00:36:55
went down and this would be a robbery gone wrong I guess right that that someone or someone's attempted to Rob
00:37:04
this man chance who was seen walking alone yeah and it seems as if uh the way eids is saying it is that we've been
00:37:12
able to contact and interview and investigate these leads all from the perimeter where it's always well yeah I
00:37:21
heard that rumor from so and so and and then they track down the so and so and then they go well I heard that rumor
00:37:27
from this other person and they haven't really been able to find or investigate and do interviews
00:37:37
and and possibly polygraph test the actual individuals of the story if that makes any sense I know that sounds a
00:37:45
little fuzzy well I love fuzzy and I love the captain and so what I'm thinking that that means what that says
00:37:51
to me Captain is that there is some kind of breadcrumb Trail just either their missing the first few breadcrumbs to to
00:37:58
pick up the trail or they're missing the last few in the series so there's something it's not a complete picture
00:38:05
for them to fully investigate and and figure out exactly if these tips are in fact extremely valuable to their
00:38:14
investigation I want to discuss the different theories we we touched on this earlier and asked you to think about the
00:38:22
possibilities of what could have happened to chance as we went through his life his Social Circles and the
00:38:28
events leading up to his disappearance and even some of the actions and behaviors after he went missing so let's
00:38:36
Circle back and revisit each one of these now that we all have a good amount of knowledge on the case and a complete
00:38:44
picture of the story or as much as one can gather so the first possibility first Theory here would be some type of
00:38:53
misadventure Theory right as the Garing police Chief pointed out in one of his posts his media releases the last ping
00:39:01
from Chance's cell almost perfectly aligned with the arrival of the intense storm could chance have died in an
00:39:08
accident caused by the elements I think this to me raises some big questions because it it seems a little too much of
00:39:17
a coincidence that roughly the same time that this terrible storm comes in his phone is no longer working
00:39:27
it it seems to line up too too much for me it's a little too much on the nose in
00:39:33
this situation to go much further past that to say that this is not a possibility you have to consider the
00:39:40
storm to be a strong possibility here in my opinion so that would lead you to things like drowning in the river right
00:39:49
if chance was walking near the river in the dark in the rain could he have lost his footing and fallen in in and drowned
00:39:57
in the rushing waters this would explain the abrupt shut off of his phone perhaps
00:40:02
his body has not been found because it's wedged somewhere the counterargument to this
00:40:08
though would be that chance was an avid swimmer and an incredibly experienced Outdoorsman and an athlete he was very
00:40:16
familiar with hazardous weather and what not to do and the North Plat River in Nebraska is not exactly the Mississippi
00:40:25
but as the captain pointed out that night it could be raging it could be faster flowing than normal if chance
00:40:31
drowned I do think though that we would have found him by now just because we've
00:40:36
reviewed this in other cases and it always seems to me that the body surfaces at some point or somebody finds
00:40:44
them at some point and it's been a long time uh it's been a long time since I left you with a dope beat to step two
00:40:51
yeah look like I said before and I'll say it again I don't know if you could exhaust all options on finding out what
00:40:56
happened to him if he fell into the river or something happened with the river because of the size but I think
00:41:02
you could do that with the lake and I think that's where I would exhaust options there so I could at least rule
00:41:10
it out if we're talking about Miss Adventure the other thing to consider is hypothermia you know it's a possibility
00:41:16
and the police expressed some concern about this in their investigation in their statements now that would mean
00:41:23
that chance became soaked in the storm and his body temperature dropped to a dangerous level again it's not really
00:41:29
clear how familiar chance was with this area I'm guessing kind of vaguely uh but
00:41:35
the direction he was heading in based off of the phone information is toward the national park so totally unsettled
00:41:43
and vast could he have died somewhere and he just has simply not been found you know we have Philip cic the ultra
00:41:52
marathoner in California just this past summer died under a tree and wasn't found by Searchers who later were saying
00:41:59
that they had been within 300 ft of him the whole time looking for him now remember that gibberish text that he
00:42:08
sent to his aunt at 9008 could he have been disoriented already at this time and he's he's
00:42:16
trying to convey that to his aunt I I call into question that like my counterargument to that portion is is is
00:42:24
a is a couple of things one this was July so it only got down to 56 or 57° that night so would that have been cold
00:42:34
enough for this situation to be probable well maybe possibly with the 70 M hour winds the other thing too is with him
00:42:43
being disoriented with that text I lean toward toward two different thoughts with that text either Dawn is correct
00:42:52
and somebody else had his phone or this may have been some kind of butt dial or pocket text that was sent
00:43:01
that really has no significance to the case at all other than we know his phone was still on and active at that time
00:43:08
yeah and I say that because if we are going to when when exploring this possibility we're saying that there's
00:43:16
it's possible that the storm disoriented chance in some form or fashion this text
00:43:22
is at 9008 the storm comes in shortly after 900 p.m. right would this have been enough time for him to it's almost like
00:43:30
you have to become disoriented immediately like within a matter of just a couple of minutes which I don't think
00:43:36
somebody in his physical I don't know that he would have become disoriented that quickly unless uh unless he was
00:43:45
already disoriented because he was intoxicated yeah I know it's an open investigation but God damn it I want
00:43:52
some information maybe it's not going to help solve the case but I want it for myself there's speculation online that
00:43:58
they didn't even go golfing that this golf trip never happened so well that would be a bit of a red flag that's
00:44:06
definitely a red flag so if I'm an investigator I'm going I want to make sure that happened and then on top of
00:44:11
that if you have his credit card information and you're saying that everybody in the family and everybody in
00:44:18
Bailey's Family is being cooperative with you I want their bank statements I want to know how many drinks were bought
00:44:26
I respect his best friend Matt M Miller but Matt Miller was possibly intoxicated
00:44:32
during that conversation I don't want to take anybody's word for anything on that
00:44:39
video footage I see a man that looks like he's trying to catch his balance from making a 90° turn I I agree but we
00:44:47
do have several people that say that say they see it differently than than you and I and they do know him better than
00:44:53
we do now I'm not saying that we're wrong I agree with you I see somebody that doesn't appear to be totally sober
00:45:00
but I don't think he looks to be as drunk as Brian schaer did in his uh surveillance foot footage video but if
00:45:07
I'm an investigator and they probably know this information and obviously they don't have they don't have to share this
00:45:15
information with the public but if I'm the investigator that's why I I want to get know did this golfing event happen
00:45:22
what was the argument really about uh did he actually argue with with uh Bailey did anybody see him at the
00:45:29
grandmother's house and how much booze was in his system well and all all of that too is very difficult and I can
00:45:37
only speak to my own experience so I don't know how everybody else is but I know with me alcohol can be a dangerous
00:45:46
thing because I my body does not always react the same way every single time there's been times where I've had a
00:45:53
couple drinks and I'm quite quite toasted and there's other times where I can drink all day and night and feel
00:46:00
like I'm pretty sober you know lightly buzzed so but he's still toasted it's well you say that but I I'm telling you
00:46:09
my experience and I don't know that we I don't what I'm getting at is I don't know that we could look at a list of
00:46:16
what was consumed or purchased and know what was consumed by who and what quantities affect people in certain ways
00:46:25
of course if we're seeing a large amount of of booze and we could make the assumption that that maybe he was messed
00:46:30
up regardless of that though Captain we do know from the surveillance footage that he was alive at those times later
00:46:38
that that evening you you are absolutely right if the information we're being provided is incorrect about what was
00:46:46
going on before he walked away or went missing that brings up a whole different set of scenarios and a whole different
00:46:55
bit of problems for the people that are telling us that he was golfing and telling us that he rode back to the
00:47:02
grandparents house before walking off the other things we need to consider a possible suicide uh we know from too
00:47:10
many tragic cases there are many times when someone takes their own life and the family does not see it coming or
00:47:16
they're not found for a long period of time you're right one doesn't uh kill thems and then dig a hole and bury
00:47:23
themselves but we have reviewed pieces of bodies being found where they're not found for several years later and it was
00:47:32
an obvious suicide that is later determined Foul Play is a possibility as pointed out by law enforcement and his
00:47:40
family his family seems to believe that this is the most likely scenario for the
00:47:45
most part for example Chance's grandmother said quote in my mind somebody has done something to him and
00:47:52
somebody knows what's been done to him and someone has hidden him very well and Chance's mom said she believes that
00:48:00
somebody did something to him and she believes someone else had his phone at some point or along that same lines of
00:48:08
Foul Play did he did Chance by some strange bad luck come in contact with the wrong person or persons who did
00:48:15
something nefarious to him for unknown reasons and it has been said that there is a significant contingent of people
00:48:23
who believe that Bailey's Family was respons responsible and that theory would go something like this Bailey and
00:48:30
chance were not getting along and their families also not getting along chance also lost his job and bayley's family
00:48:39
wasn't too happy about this there's some type of argument after Golf and when chance stalked off in a tantrum walking
00:48:48
away from his wife and baby maybe Bailey's male relatives went after him and took care of things
00:48:57
we should point out how strange or Preposterous this would seem to be as people have pointed out bayley's family
00:49:05
is a normal one not a bunch of criminals with records of violent histories but you know there is the possibility that
00:49:12
if they did find chance and the argument continued and and escalated when they you know they told him to man up and get
00:49:19
back to Bailey and his baby what if a fight breaks out and he's killed you know by accident or otherwise
00:49:26
but then that leads us to the situation of Bailey's relatives would have to have
00:49:30
disposed of his body returned home and then no one outside of the family is any the
00:49:37
wiser look I get a little pissed off though yeah poor concrete and they go well well we looked
00:49:44
into that we don't believe it has anything to do with it well well what you could do is just dig it up I'm sure
00:49:50
there is some insurance claim that would well we I mean we have his family and we
00:49:55
we have police that say we've debunked that theory that we've we have investigated that theory and his family
00:50:03
is saying we are satisfied with the results of that investigation and his family is the one that's saying that we
00:50:09
believe that Foul Play is responsible for him not coming home so I I don't know that we can say that it wasn't dug
00:50:17
up or that certain tests weren't conducted to confirm that there's no body or bones underneath that right
00:50:23
right that cement so that that very likely could have been done I mean you have the loudest voices for Foul Play is
00:50:31
his mother and his family and they're the ones that saying are saying that we're satisfied with the result of that
00:50:38
investigation we don't believe that to be a possibility any longer after the information we have been told or seen or
00:50:45
whatever we should point out though a counterargument to Bailey's Family being responsible for his
00:50:54
disappearance would be what would the motive be right other than anger in this argument because there's no life
00:51:02
insurance policy he was chance was the sole bread winner uh The Sole Provider for his
00:51:08
family so his wife and son need him alive yeah well think about this we get an argument because we want you to move
00:51:16
to this state so you can make more money to benefit your family uh you don't like
00:51:21
that idea so then we kill you CU that obviously would benefit your family I but I think you have that reversed where
00:51:30
they were living the minimum wage wasn't the same as where they were visiting and
00:51:36
what Bailey is saying by the standards where we live he's making good money that's why she's saying that she
00:51:43
believes that he misunderstood a comment or something that was said to him we want you to do
00:51:49
the best you can for your family right that was their point and then he was mad about it
00:51:56
so so then they kill him like that the motive doesn't make a lot of sense there but again I think if if I'm the
00:52:04
investigator I'm I'm looking into that actual golf outing did it actually happen did the argument actually happen
00:52:12
what was the AR argument actually about um now I know that there's been multiple
00:52:18
polygraph test done in this case it's just not clear on who those were for and it it seems to me the way it's implied
00:52:27
is that Bailey has never taken one right and again there's all kinds of problems
00:52:32
with with polygraph test and results another possibility that we wanted to explore today too Captain was maybe he
00:52:40
took off maybe he wanted to start a new life somewhere that theory is often discussed in missing persons cases the
00:52:47
theory that he deliberately left and is living his life somewhere else in the vast majority of cases we dismiss this
00:52:55
Theory and for good reason there's just nothing to back it up in most cases and it also seems unlikely given the
00:53:04
circumstances again in most cases but I will say here in this case I see it a little differently I see a situation in
00:53:13
Chance's case that it might be more of a possibility than it would be in most cases because it's pretty clear from
00:53:20
everything that I've reviewed that there's there's some drama in this young man's life his family and bayley's
00:53:27
family they're not getting along they're not very friendly with each other when he
00:53:32
disappeared Bailey didn't call his parents until the neighbor calls her so she's not getting along with his parents
00:53:40
and then we have Dawn his mother's own words to Matt saying well we'll try to reach out to him but we don't think
00:53:47
he'll want to talk to us even though he needs something even though he is in the
00:53:53
he needs something he needs a ride he needs some help he needs someone to pick him up and bring him home we don't think
00:53:58
he'll talk to us so there's something going on in that relationship I get it you know maybe between the stress of new
00:54:06
wife new baby new house new job just lost my old job that I thought maybe would be my career I don't really get
00:54:13
along with my family and if I stick around and try to love my son and raise my son I'm going to constantly have to
00:54:20
deal with her and her family from what I've reviewed Captain there's not been his disappearance
00:54:26
hasn't brought these two families closer it doesn't sound like grandparents on on
00:54:31
Chance's side have seen much of their grandson Banks since he went missing which is sad because the the baby the
00:54:40
Banks's father went missing it takes a village anyways and now this baby doesn't have his father don't don't keep
00:54:50
um his family from this child they they they love this child they want to help uh raise this child they want to see
00:54:58
this child do good in the world but I'm going to defend Bailey for a second because we don't know what has been said
00:55:04
to her or the actions that have been done to her since this and if you feel like what I'm saying is don't use the
00:55:11
kid as a pawn um but at the same time like if these people are making threats or you
00:55:19
have you fear for your safety for some reason or fear for your child's safety then then I I understand why you want to
00:55:25
keep your distance and to be clear it is all perspective right I'm just simply saying in this
00:55:33
situation I see a higher probability for reasons that chance might go off and start a new life than I have seen in
00:55:42
other cases that we have reviewed and I say that here just because again it comes down to perspective we don't know
00:55:49
what his perspective was on his life and his relationships at that time but from the outside looking in you know
00:55:57
it's pretty easy to walk away when you don't feel like you're walking away from much of anything at all and so I think
00:56:04
that there's a higher probability for that in this case than would be in most cases now the counterargument to that
00:56:13
would be his words to his friend when he calls Matt Miller he has a plan he says
00:56:19
I'm walking to this destination 35 mil north of me closer to my home 35 Mi closer to my home I need a ride for
00:56:29
someone to come pick me up and take me to my home that seems to be a clear thought out well who knows how well
00:56:38
thought out but at least the plan for chance that night he didn't call Matt saying F everybody I'm out of here no he
00:56:46
said I need to get back home and we know that he did not get back home we know that nobody successfully picked him up
00:56:53
if they did no nobody's talking about it and there's no surveillance footage of it or no witnesses to it so it seems to
00:57:01
me like for him to have gone off and started a new life elsewhere and to walk away from his old life something had to
00:57:09
change inside of chance after that 7:46 p.m. phone call that night to Matt Miller if that doesn't change then he
00:57:18
should have ended up back home and that means something bad happened to him after that call obviously there's no
00:57:25
conclusion in this case at this time but uh what are your final thoughts this case reminds me quite a bit of the Tyler
00:57:33
Davis case episodes 296 and 297 on your true crime garage dial in that case Tyler was out with his wife and a friend
00:57:45
and something happened some kind of argument took place and he decided he was going to go for a walk and never
00:57:51
came back and we have no trace of Tyler and no one knows what happened to him and here we have a very similar
00:57:59
situation or from what we're being told chance gets into some kind of argument I
00:58:05
believe he was arguing with more than just his brother-in-law I believe that he was
00:58:09
probably arguing with most of Bailey's family that was at the golf course I believe he was arguing quite a bit with
00:58:14
Bailey during that 20-minute car ride back to the grandparents house and he goes off walking because he's upset he's
00:58:22
angry he feels like he's been mistreated and it doesn't sound to me like he was going to go and just walk it off he was
00:58:29
going to go home he was going to go back to his home now what was going to take place in after that in his mind no one
00:58:35
knows I cannot say that but the thing that I cannot get past is I feel like the timing of the storm and the last
00:58:45
contact with chance is not a coincidence as unlikely as it seems something must have happened to chance
00:58:53
in the elements in his body body is just not where authorities have expected it to be who knows how accurate the cell
00:59:00
phone information is we've seen them waffle on that a little bit or how lost and disoriented Chase could have become
00:59:07
during his travels that night or if his phone died and he actually traveled miles from where he was last believed to
00:59:15
have been I think there's just a big mystery here captain and I I wish Chance's family and Bailey's Family nothing but
00:59:25
the best and nothing but good luck in this situation and their continued search for chance we've seen Brandon
00:59:34
Lawson uh believed that that we may have some some answers finally in his case so
00:59:41
you can hold out hope I think that it looks a little Bleak obviously given that he's been gone for so long but
00:59:48
maybe they'll get their answers and hopefully they get them soon [Music] don't stay
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