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go through a few notes regarding well let's call them updates regarding some of the characters that we have spoke of
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yesterday and last week um you know we did Cover a lot of ground over the last three shows a lot to talk about with the
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boys on the tracks here and yesterday you know with all those mysterious deaths and Mis dealings going on we kind
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of a little bit all over the place but we had to do them in an order that made sense to us as far as the way these
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people were dying and when they were dying off um but yesterday we did fail to mention that one more of the
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eyewitnesses the night that the boys were on the tracks uh is dead as well uh this is Tom new house uh he was the guy
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remember the boy that was in the bushes he was out with friends claimed that he was looking for marijuana plants and
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happened to see teenagers on the tracks with several men one of those men he identified as Dan Harmon and he knew Dan
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Haron because Dan Harmon at one time had dated his mother so very obvious that he
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would be able to uh identify him well he one thing that we didn't talk about you
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know because he didn't come forward until 1993 and there there are some questions
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you know how legit is this story you know he comes forward 6 years after the fact well when he comes forward with the
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story now at the time the local investigators didn't put a whole lot of weight into his story so the FBI brings
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in Tom new house and they they conduct two lie detector tests with him and he passes both of them uh to the point
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where they want to put him in the witness protection program and they actually do so and that's why you find
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that when you look early back in this case and you're trying to investigate what's going on his name is actually not
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not submitted in a lot of those reports because he was in the witness protection
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program at some point he decides that he no longer wants to participate in that program but he stands by what he saw
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that night and his account of what he saw that night um unfortunately I he's currently deceased and I I'm not aware I
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couldn't figure out how he died I'm guessing it might be natural causes because obviously with all these other
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mysterious deaths we have some reporting on those situations let's discuss some of the key characters that weren't
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murdered uh well we have Charlene Wilson um remember we had said she's the eyewitness to Harmon being at the tracks
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as well U remember we said she was locked up this was probably a method to hush her up uh the details of that are
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she was convicted of a firsttime drug offense and because she was prosecuted by Dan Harmon she received a 31-year
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sentence which absolutely seems very ridiculous to me for a firsttime drug offense but anyway in 1999 Arkansas
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Governor Mike Huckabee um he ended up reducing her sentence uh which did make her El eligible for parole which she was
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then granted so she's she's since been out of prison for that extremely long sentence that she received from Dan
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Harmon so they corrected the situation as best that they could as for Public Enemy Number One Dan Harmon uh in June
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1st of 1997 the former prosecuting attorney Dan Harmon was found guilty of five of 11 federal felony charges
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including racketeering by he he used his office to get drugs and money uh so this
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is one racketeering conviction as well as a guilt as guilty verdicts on three counts of extortion and one count of
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possession with with the intent to distribute marijuana and just quickly I mean this this is key evidence to back
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up everything that most people are speculating about this boys on the track case yeah and and to further that
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thought uh the IES family and the Henry family they both said that they've kind of reduced themselves to believing that
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they're never really going to get Justice for their sons yeah which is sad but but they believe that Dan Harmon
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being convicted of other nefarious activity that this kind of it vindicates them a little bit and it and it for them
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it at least backs up their beliefs and all their hard work that they've done trying to push their son's cases going
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forward yeah cuz he ended up going to jail for a couple years and then he was released and then he actually went back
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to jail well so so on that first charge on that first bout of charges he got I believe a 10-year sentence on those
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charges uh but you're right he he serves his jail time he gets released and then
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a few years after that he does get arrested again in February 19th 2010 he is arrested on felony drug charges but
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we do have to be fair here Captain the state's case in this situation was pretty weak this was really a he said
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she said type of case looking for a conviction strictly where your only evidence is the testimony of an admitted
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drug addict uh she claimed that she had bought drugs from Dan har he was acquitted of those charges by a jury of
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his peers well it seems like there's a little more to that story do you want to hear some of the details regarding those
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indictments against Dan Harmon from the first battle charges because I don't mind spending a couple minutes to rub
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his face in the mud a little bit here uh according to one indictment uh dval and
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Harmon uh dval was his wife at the time they had broke into the task force evidence locker and stole cocaine uh so
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that was that's one of the details there uh and another one of the acts um listed
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as retaliation against a witness this deals with oh really yeah this deals with Harmon's May 1996 assault on
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Arkansas Democrat Gazette Benton bureau chief Rodney Bowers right so Bowers is basically a reporter and he's reporting
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all the bad [ __ ] that Harmon's doing and then it pisses Harmon off so he attacks
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him yeah yeah he he goes up to Harmon trying to get a comment for an article and Harmon physically attacks the
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reporter right and we've we've heard this multiple times with these investigators claiming hey we started
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digging into some stuff with you know Don Henry's case and uh Kevin ives's case and right when we started doing
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that guess who starts making threats MH I mean Dan Harmon was a I believe a cokehead and a and a real real douchebag
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well in another incident described in the indictment a woman named te Davis traveled to Arkansas from Indiana to
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deliver $10,000 to her husband who had been arrested in Saline County on marijuana charges when she arrived the
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indictment says Harmon advised Davis that her husband would not be released unless she went and got more money the
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husband was then later released for $110,000 and the couple was forced to sign a disclaimer saying that the two
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had been arrested with the money in hand and they had no claim see I mean that that stuff is just so shady well in
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another extortion case an indictment alleges that Harmon took money for releasing defendants from custody or
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reducing the charges that they faced in state drug cases uh I think I think the Arkansas times summed it up the best
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when they they had this and and quote it is hard to imagine how much damage Dan Haron did during the years he held
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office as prosecutor cases that should should have been prosecuted were not cases that should not have been
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prosecuted no doubt were I think they summed it up best well so we have Harmon which like I said is a douchebag but now
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we have his partner Garrett yes his sidekick Richard Garrett the attorney that pushed for Harmon to become the
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special appointed prosecutor well some years after the Kevin Ives and Don Henry murders uh Garrett sold his home and he
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moved away well sometime after the new homeowner had been living there for some time he discovered a secret room in the
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basement that contained what he believed to be a drug lab the new homeowner reported this to the local sheriff's
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office and he was told to take the items to the local dump and just get rid of them uh he explains to the sheriff that
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he didn't want to have these items in his vehicle and potentially get pulled over with you know drug related items in
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his car and so the Sheriff's Office offered to escort him to the the dump to get rid of these things now at the time
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that homeowner was unaware of who the previous homeowner was you know he didn't know about the murder case he
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wasn't from around there and he didn't know Richard Garrett's involvement in this actual case yeah I haven't heard
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from this guy in a while I mean I call I write he never returns my calls what's going on with my good buddy FY well yeah
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FY Malik the medical examiner that deserves to have been locked up in my opinion they should have shot him in the
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kneecaps but instead in 1991 uh Dr Malik was promoted he he got a new job congratulations good for you
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and uh he was promoted to become a consultant for the Arkansas Health Department so um apparently when you're
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just horrible at your job and you you lie and purger yourself in Trials then I guess you can just uh get promoted time
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and time again so one needs to start asking themselves a question how does all this stuff go
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down in such a small County and Arkansas right mhm well this is all connected to an airport yes yeah so
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let's talk about a small place in Western Arkansas called Mina it's about 160 Mi west of Little Rock it's a tiny
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town that has been the local for persistent reports of drug smuggling gun running and money laundering MH there's
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been a number of allegations that have been made about the use of mina which is the Intermountain municipal airport as a
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CIA drop point in largescale cocaine trafficking uh this beginning in the 1980s several local state and federal
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investigations have taken place in relation to these allegations yeah and a lot of people believe that these
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operations were set up by the Reagan Administration yeah the topic has received some press coverage uh and
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these include allegations of awareness participation or maybe even a coverup involving prominent figures such as
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Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George HW Bush and of course Saline County prosecutor Dan Harmon this is where
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another name comes to light Barry seal yes Barry seal was a name that we mentioned yesterday he was a Gunrunner
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drug trafficker and covert CIA operative M he was murdered in a hail of bullets by the mellan cartel Hitman outside of a
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Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge Louisiana um a lot of the stuff that started in Mina started in the 80s uh
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this was when seal based his aircraft at Mina's Inter Mountain Regional Airport mhm seal was employed by the Medellin
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cartel as a pilot and Drug Smuggler he transported numerous shipments of cocaine from Colombia to the United
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States and earned a good deal of coin doing so after successful runs into his home home base in Louisiana he moved
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operations to the infamous airport facility in Mina Arkansas there he bought sold and operated many airplanes
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this included the c123 transport plane supplied to him by the US drug Force enforcement agency right so let's get
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this straight he's working for the CIA MH he's also working for a drug cartel yes so he's a he's playing both sides of
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the fence yeah he's doing double duty and and I tell you what we you know you can look into this thing it this is this
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portion of of what's going on in Arkansas is very cumbersome it's extremely cumbersome if you if you
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there's things out there that you can watch you can listen you can read about uh it's pretty well reported even though
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a lot of people say I've never heard of this but like we said yesterday people in Arkansas have known about this for 30
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years right um it's come up it came up in the late 80s quite a bit in the national news and it came up again in
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the early 90s this would be when Clinton was taking over moving into the White House um but both times it comes up in
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the national news it kind of quickly dies down and and attention is diverted elsewhere to other scandals and other
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other news it's receiving more attention at the time which normally happens when
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our government's involved yeah so you know I think I think the thing here is we can we can break down the
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generalization of what was going on so so this guy Barry seal is he's running drugs he's flying drugs into the US and
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making a whole bunch of money doing so right he gets busted okay they catch on to what he's doing and he goes to the
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DEA and to the CIA and says look you know I've been doing this successful for quite some time how about I turn on some
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of these people that I'm working for I'll testify against them and I could I could go to work for you guys right and
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there like okay cool you know and they go to the judge and they basically say look he's willing to work with us he's
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willing to work with the federal government and help us in some things that we need help with so they reduce
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his sentence and eventually he does go to work for these people um and now you know there are people out there that are
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going to say no he never worked for them well I can tell you this that after he died the IRS went after a lot of money
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they believe he had right they wanted listen to this number they wanted to charge him $86 million in back taxes yes
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that's a that's a that's a whole that's a whole lot of Rolling Papers that's a lot of drugs he was transporting yeah
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somebody estimated that he may have moved anywhere between three and5 billion dollar of cocaine into this
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country well basically he was the drug version of Frank Aban and for those who don't know how Frank Aban is they might
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have seen the movie Catch Me If You Can it was a guy that was doing a bunch of bank fraud and instead of just you know
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sending them to jail they said hey why don't you come work for us MH you'll be basically on I think lifetime probation
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basically right so what happens here is the that's Frank Aban not abali so after
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he's busted he's now working for the CIA and the CIA wants to there's a there's a
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civil war going on in in Central America at the time and basically our government
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figured out that okay team a is the good guys and Team B is the bad guys so we want to help team a win this Civil War
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because it will benefit us well our Congress in the americ that right but hold on but that doesn't make them the
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good team it just makes the team that we're going to use no no no I'm just saying what the thinking was at the time
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it's not definitive who was the good guy or the bad guy what I'm saying is that our Congress and the American people
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said no we're not going to get involved in this we're not going to help either side well basically our government said
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you know what we're gonna we're going to P in the interest of National Security we're going to help this one side anyway
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and so they are running guns and running parts of guns to this country and they employ somebody like Barry seal to do so
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because he has this big plane that he's running out of the Mina airport and he's
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this is a c123 it basically looks like an army cargo plane you know one of those big heavy planes now he had made
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mod ifications to the planes that he was running so that he could travel extended
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distances without stopping for more fuel he's basically rigging up these planes right um which is not cheap to do so
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I'll tell you that the thing is here he he I kind of found this funny he nicknamed his plane the fat lady uh so
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he was basically flying guns to or parts of guns to Nicaragua mhm and well he has
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to fly back home right but why would you why why waste the whole empty plane you
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don't want to have a big empty plane when you're flying all the way back home on the government's dime do you right so
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so he's taken the free ride back and he's loading up the plane with drugs and bringing them back into the country and
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making a whole bunch of money Barry seal was not the only guy doing this there were other people doing this there were
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other people that were working for the CIA in the Mina area doing different things regarding uh CIA CIA operations
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right that were kept on the lowdown now it's been reported by by at least one pilot that he believed that there were
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multiple Pilots that were not bringing back empty planes into the United States and they were bringing drugs into the
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states yeah it seems like these Pilots saw opportunity and they took it to make a little extra cash yeah you have I mean
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you have some people saying that we we the US government may have been trading guns for drugs uh you know there's
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certainly been investigations that have brought forth some speculation of such I
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I can't say that I saw enough evidence out there to say that that's what was going on um but I what I think here is
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probably more likely is that you had a few people taking advantage of a situation and trying to make themselves
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millionaires out of something that they were doing for the government yeah and oddly enough this is the time in history
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where the Reagan Administration is going it's It's A War on Drugs mhm right and but but our government is the one
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bringing the drugs into the country possibly if you believe the speculation this whole thing of course you know
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anytime you have these controversies or things that are brought to light that's going on that we may not be aware of or
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we're told is not happening you know of course this does always create a lot of finger pointing so in this situation you
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have the Republicans pointing toward Bill Clinton and saying you know what this happened out a fac facility in your
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jurisdiction uh how could you let this happen you're a terrible terrible person and then you have the Democrats saying
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the same about the Republicans going you know what well this happened during the
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Reagan Administration right and it was this operation by the CIA CIA was the brainchild of George Bush and so
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therefore the Republicans are horrible people in the end you know that finger pointing doesn't go anywhere it doesn't
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do anything to solve the actual problem furthermore you we had investigations going down regarding this
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situation the problem was that these investigations couldn't get anywhere because when they tried to approach it
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from the federal level well the federal government basically said it's an Arkansa problem and then when you try to
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go to the state level and present it to the governor to to Bill Clinton then he says no this is a federal case you know
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so it's not only is there finger pointing both ways as far as uh as far as different politics goes but also
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passing the blame at the end of the day well and I called Bill Clinton yesterday
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I called I I don't know if I called him a [ __ ] stain but there there's a lot look a lot of my feelings towards him
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are based on other information about other cases that I've researched so that's why I believe he's a [ __ ] stain
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um and as far as the Reagan and the War on Drugs it wasn't a War on Drugs it's it was a war on inner city black people
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is what it was and that's all I got to say about that well it this sounds like a lot of stuff that you know that we're
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just kind of throwing out there but that's not the case at all uh you know like I said there's been investigations
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done on this there were several uh newspapers and magazines covering this in the 80s and the early 90s it didn't
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really go anywhere but we know how these things kind of get swept under the rug the situation here though is you know we
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know that Barry seal was by his own admissions was was bringing drugs into the country he he even kind of bragged
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about how much money he was making doing this and I'm going to say this is this is going to sound a little weird but
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Barry seal I don't I don't know if if many people know who he is um but there are you can find interviews and things
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with him on on the internet he's to me he's one of those guys you know when you when you're watching a movie and there's
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like for some reason there's a villain that you're kind of like secretly pulling for a little bit you know I mean
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like you kind of like the villain a little bit um I I think Barry seal was a bad dude I think he he took advantage of
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a lot of people in a lot of situations um I think he did it solely for uh for financial reasons right uh the thing is
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though he's one of these kind of charismatic guys you know there's a there's an interview he was doing where
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he's talking about himself and he says you know you know I grew up in Baton Rouge and maybe for a lot of people uh
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an exciting life for them is is working 9 to5 going to the the LSU football game
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on Saturday night and then waking up going to church on Sunday maybe that works for other people he says you know
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that's not exciting to me he exciting to me is putting myself in potentially life-threatening situations over and
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over again but but we know Captain you know sometimes people go into the field of being a pilot because they enjoy the
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adrenaline of it they're Adrenaline Junkies right but become a firefighter become a police officer become a a
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soldier become a Navy SEAL and do something productive with your life but what you were my friend was somebody
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that was greedy about money and you decided to take advantage of the system on both sides of the fence and then
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you're running drugs and how many murders took place because of those drugs right you're exactly and so yeah
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so you my friend are a [ __ ] well and the thing with seal here is we know that this happened and and I can
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point to why we know that it happened because remember we talked about the CIA investigation I'm sorry the IRS
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investigation into Barry seal wanting to charge him after he died for all these back taxes well the CIA and the DEA did
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come forward to the IRS and said you know what well you can't charge him for these blocks of time because he was
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working for us during that time right so so you can't charge them for back taxes
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regarding that okay so what does all this mean well here's what it means is that not far from where the boys were
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right let's get back to the boys not far from them is is this Mena airport where
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drugs were coming into drugs and guns were coming into and the reports of planes stopping short of the airport
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landing by the train tracks making drops that all happened with Dan Harmon what happens with Dan Harmon oh he's caught
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selling drugs running drugs so all that part of the story is true mhm so if you believe so if you didn't believe that
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part there's your proof on top of that so we know why the boys we we don't know why the boys were out there whether they
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were hunting whether they're trying to spy maybe they were trying to intercept the drugs we're not for sure but we do
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know that they were out there at the same time that a drug drop was happening mhm so we know that is true and if we
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believe that to be true then we believe that these boys were murdered they were put on the tracks all these eyewitnesses
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that saw things and talked then we're killed to cover this up that's what we know that's the well in the thing
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furthermore on that point is that you have to have boots on the ground in this type of operation so you got Barry seal
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bringing drugs into the country you have another pilot that was working for the CIA saying that he believed that
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multiple Pilots were doing this that Barry seal was the kind of the big fish he was the fat lady like he named his
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airplane right and the thing is you have to have boots on the ground because you
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can bring drugs into this country it doesn't get you anywhere financially unless you can sell them to somebody and
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once you sell them to somebody then you have to launder that money so now you have all these little local corruptive
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things going on at the same time all right so I think we're to the point where we should just really kind of dive
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into our thoughts and feelings on on this matter and let's do that right after this quick beer
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[Music] [Music] brand all right welcome back to True Crime Gage okay now Captain we need to
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put our thoughts on what actually happened that night 1987 in Briant Arkansas well I just want
00:32:06
to First say hey thanks to all the listeners right because this is a you know for parter it's a whale of a case
00:32:13
probably the biggest case that we've done um just with the men at airport stuff we probably could have just with
00:32:19
that whole drug running and gun running conspiracy we probably could have went on for 4 hours about that me and you are
00:32:26
not super fascinated by that portion of this case no I'm not going to lie I doing the research on the Mena portion
00:32:34
of this and we would be remiss if we didn't bring it up because it's certainly part of this case is some part
00:32:39
right but the the problem here is it it was a cumbersome portion of the investigation in this case it it's it's
00:32:47
huge you could spend weeks some people have spent years trying to figure out that whole situation uh I found it to be
00:32:54
the research portion of that to be rather boring to to be completely honest with you and I think our main thing was
00:33:01
you know when you have a seeven you know 16 and 17year old uh teenage boys uh we
00:33:06
can relate to that and being those age and being males ourselves and to want to kind of explore what the heck's going on
00:33:14
and I think that's the part that we were more fascinated with yeah so now uh Garage Thoughts with your host Nick and
00:33:21
the captain yeah with Jack Handy uh how about you start so we get the good intelligent stuff first because you know
00:33:31
my stuff will probably not make well that's set that's setting the bar a little high but I think you hit the nail
00:33:36
on the head there Captain so this this case for us was about Don Henry and Kevin IES about those two boys being
00:33:44
murdered and then it being called an accident you know this case I didn't know anything about the Mena portion of
00:33:51
this case to be honest with you until several months ago now I knew about the boys on the tracks case from way back
00:33:59
when when we were kids they they featured this case on Unsolved Mysteries I believe it was in the first season
00:34:04
maybe the second but it was a it was it was ages ago and that's streaming now somewhere a lot of listeners were saying
00:34:10
you got to check this out it's like hey if you listen to the show we're big fans
00:34:14
of you know Unsolved Mysteries we've seen it m well and there's some things that they talk about I went back and
00:34:21
watched that episode and there's some things that they talked about in there that we didn't really address yet there
00:34:27
was some leads at the time of a um a man in camouflage fatigues actually well let
00:34:33
me let me get this right because there's a couple different stories here there's
00:34:37
one story of a man wearing a camouflage jacket having shot at police there's another story that's almost identical
00:34:44
with the exception of they say in military fatigues which to me camouflage jacket military fatigues means a very
00:34:51
different uh uniform or outfit that this person was wearing now the thing here is
00:34:58
I I when looking into this case you got to follow the leads that was that might have been a lead back then it's not a
00:35:05
current lead today because we know of all these other confessions of all these eyewitness statements that have come out
00:35:11
after the fact M the thing here is Captain I I want to kind of talk about this in a sense that it is I'm going to
00:35:19
use the trickle down effect okay because what I think really happened here as far
00:35:23
as Mena is concerned is that we we have a situ ation where yes our government was probably doing some stuff that
00:35:30
wasn't all on the up and up were they trading guns for drugs I'm not willing to 100% agree with that I saw more
00:35:39
evidence of these these people doing this on their own these Pilots doing this on their own where they were taking
00:35:45
advantage of a situation now we brought up Barry seal now the thing here is Barry seal was he was murdered and dead
00:35:53
before Kevin Ives and Don Henry were killed that night he was killed about a year beforehand why do we bring him up
00:35:59
because we know he admittedly came forward and said this is what I'm doing you know and we so we if we believe
00:36:06
Barry seal this is absolutely going on and this is absolutely happening now I believe that they were running lots of
00:36:12
drugs into the Arkansas area using these airplanes and the thing here is like I said before you have to have boots on
00:36:20
the ground you can't turn that drugs into money without somebody on the ground selling it and distributing that
00:36:25
that product for you the problem here is the trickle down effect when you when you have people at a high level maybe
00:36:33
doing some things that aren't completely on the up and up you know when you set out to do something that that might not
00:36:39
be 100% right sometimes you find yourself then doing other things that you never set out to do that are
00:36:47
completely wrong too to cover up that first misdeed MH and I think that we see a situation here where that started at
00:36:54
the top and it worked its way into a very bad area and the thing regarding Reagan regarding Bush or Clinton do I
00:37:03
think that they had some involvement in this yes yes I do I think I think that they this was an operation that they
00:37:09
were aware of I don't believe I want to not believe that they were fully aware of all the drugs that were coming into
00:37:18
the the country as a result of what they were doing um the thing here is though you have to have people in some way of
00:37:26
power you can't have a bunch of thugs on the ground moving this product for you they had to have some kind of security
00:37:33
in doing what they were doing the these are the Barry seal is not just going to go out and do something like this people
00:37:39
that are cohorting with him are not just going to go out and do something like this and then put millions of dollars of
00:37:46
drugs into the hands of street thugs it's just not going to happen and I think what we had here Captain is that
00:37:52
we have Dan Harmon somebody that that was a person that carried a certain amount of power he had a certain amount
00:37:59
of Leverage on everybody some of that was because of positions that he held within the county some of that was
00:38:05
because he was dealing drugs at a high level to these other people and you know I I once had a man tell me that that
00:38:14
sometimes in some situations law enforcement is nothing but a bunch of thugs or a bunch of gangsters with a
00:38:20
badge and I think in this situation we see that we see that with the two officers we spoke of Jay Campbell and
00:38:28
Kirk Lane I think that they were Dan Harmon's bodyguards they were his muscle because they could use their toughness
00:38:37
as not just their toughness in in Brute Force but their toughness because they carry a badge and their Authority and
00:38:43
they misus their Authority the same way that Dan Harmon did right and we support
00:38:47
fully support law enforcement that believes in the oath of Serve and Protect yes and I think what happened
00:38:53
here Captain I think we have a situation Dan marman as I said I believe he's he's
00:38:59
no better than your average Street Thug M he's probably even worse because he has the authority to cover things up and
00:39:07
do unspeakable things and get away with them the thing here is i i i peg him as a drug user I peg him as a hardcore drug
00:39:16
user that probably used drugs with other people and Power in the area and at some
00:39:22
point he realized you know what I can turn this little this little fun drug thing that I got going on I can turn
00:39:28
this into a business and I have the authority to do so and he recruited these officers to get his back and what
00:39:36
happened was we have a we yes I believe there was a drug drop I believe that Dan
00:39:41
Harmon was there to get that drug drop now the thing here is do we drop do we have a situation where you know there
00:39:48
was rumor maybe Kevin IES and Don Henry were were you know privy to this information and that they went out there
00:39:55
and had possibly stolen a previous drop mhm and intended to steal an additional drop and that Dan Harmon and his goons
00:40:04
were out there that night to keep an eye on their product and they were going to
00:40:09
use whatever Force necessary if they caught who they believed was was stealing their drugs now the thing here
00:40:15
is when you're doing bad things and you're doing Shady things you're working with other Shady characters there's a
00:40:21
good chance I don't believe Kevin Ives and Don Henry went and stole that drug drop I don't think so I don't even think
00:40:30
it was their intention to go out that night and steal whatever was being dropped from the sky I think you have a
00:40:35
situation where you got a bunch of bad people working together doing bad things that are illegal you can't report this
00:40:42
oh my drugs came up missing who you going to go and tell that to nobody cares the thing here is you could have
00:40:47
had a guy you could have had a pilot in the plane that said yeah dude yeah Harmon I made that drop what you didn't
00:40:54
pick that up that's your fault right could have just kept the damn drugs himself or you could have Harmon who who
00:41:00
got the drugs and said you know what this [ __ ] was stolen from me I I can't pay it up I can't pay up to you because
00:41:06
I didn't have the product to sell yet yet he went out and sold the product anyway we know these things happen on a
00:41:12
daily basis on a much smaller level we'd be foolish to think that they don't happen at a high level I think that the
00:41:18
boys were aware that something was going on I don't think they had a full understanding of what it is I think that
00:41:24
they were teenagers being teenagers I think that they were curious about what was going on whiskers and I believe Don
00:41:31
Henry felt very comfortable in those woods I I feel like he often went out at night with his parents permission out on
00:41:38
these night hunting trips sometimes by himself and he probably told his buddy you know cuz they're at the age where
00:41:43
they're discovering drugs we know that they were smoking some marijuana they didn't smoke
00:41:48
20 joints they it's it's actually estimated that they smoked more like one to two maybe even three at a stretch
00:41:56
they were found with marijuana in their pockets so they were they were open to this whole new scene that they're
00:42:01
discovering in their in their Hometown and I think they were curious as to what was going on I don't think they were
00:42:07
going around the week of looking for cocaine or looking to become cocaine dealers I think that that's all kind of
00:42:14
just things that coincidence it's just happen stance the there might be rumors I think they were out looking for
00:42:20
marijuana I think it was a very innocent thing that they were out doing and they
00:42:25
stumbled across the wrong people I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Harmon believed that these boys ripped him off
00:42:33
or even even push that aside now these boys are witness to something and maybe he thinks they were out there trying to
00:42:42
steal his drugs and I think that his goons Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I don't think that they ever agreed to help move
00:42:51
drugs or or be The Bodyguard for Dan Harmon with the intention that they thought it some point they would be
00:42:56
killing people I think that they chased down these boys I think it got out of hand they used they used brute force on
00:43:05
these on these poor kids and unfortunately the kids probably fought back these guys don't strike me as the
00:43:12
type that would not defend themselves and I think it got out of hand very fast and I think one of them died and I think
00:43:19
I think Kevin Ives probably died first and they may have killed the other boy simply to cover that up because at some
00:43:27
point right this you know when you set out to do something bad and just to make a little bit of money and you think it's
00:43:34
all going to be good it's this is a victimless crime it's going to hurt nobody I I know people that want drugs I
00:43:39
know how to get drugs I can make money and make these people happy at the same time this isn't going to get out of hand
00:43:45
no one day you wake up and you realize that you're up to your eyeballs in this [ __ ] and you freak out and something
00:43:52
bad happens and I think that's what happened that night now to further this though they went above and beyond to
00:43:58
cover this up why because there happened to be so many people that actually knew
00:44:02
the truth about what had happened that night that this thing got out of hand these boys were killed they were thrown
00:44:08
on the tracks there were people that witnessed it there were people that told other people what they had seen what
00:44:14
they had heard there were people involed involved in the drug trade in the local
00:44:18
area I think this was the thing that started off bad in some Mis dealings at the very top and it trickled down and
00:44:26
the further it got down it got darker deeper a little more evil to the point where it got out of hand so most of this
00:44:34
blame lies with Dan Harmon and his goons in my opinion these were the truly evil
00:44:40
people involved in this situation the unfortunate and well unfortunate is not the right word the the extremely
00:44:47
disappointing portion of this for me is that I do believe that there are higher members of society at higher level lels
00:44:56
in the Arkansas area that probably turned a blind eye to this thing they kind of looked the other way and they
00:45:03
didn't want to believe that something terrible was going on and and by doing nothing ultimately in my eyes they did
00:45:11
something wrong um I think this FY Malik guy is a terrible dude I think I think that he held very bad I think he was a
00:45:19
guy that held a high position that they didn't have people monitoring what he was doing or second guessing what he was
00:45:26
doing I think he was not qualified for that position to start off with and that that he made some fumblings and screwed
00:45:34
some things up and he started covering for himself and he woke up one day and he was he was eyeballs deep in the
00:45:40
situation too and then at some point he was either able to be bought off with either money or fear and I think that he
00:45:47
lied about a lot of things which ultimately made investigations go nowhere we're in a situation here where
00:45:54
it's been it it will be 30 years come this August that those two boys were murdered and you know what I
00:46:01
don't think that we're going to see any justice for those two boys I do like that the families feel somewhat
00:46:08
Vindicated because Dan Harmon did serve some time um there are some other people
00:46:13
that were probably involved in this that are no longer around we're not going to
00:46:17
see any justice though for those two boys and that's an unfortunate situation and is that your final thoughts uh yeah
00:46:25
the those are my final thoughts on what I think happened uh my recommendation to
00:46:30
the listeners out there if this is something that they want to dive more into there there there's a lot of things
00:46:35
like we said this is a huge case I'd recommend though researching the two incidents separately you know I think
00:46:42
there's enough of of things that you can read into regarding the boys on the tracks I think that there's enough stuff
00:46:50
that you could dive into regarding the Mina airport at the same time I wouldn't recommend looking into both both of them
00:46:56
at the same time because it's just too much yeah it's definitely a case that I looking back on it now we did four parts
00:47:02
but it would have been amazing series all right Captain Garage Thoughts your host the captain yeah I don't know if we
00:47:10
should allow me to speak every episode uh let's just you want to start at the top yes we'll just start at the top I
00:47:17
started at the top look and and look I've said it a million times it's not a political show I'm not left or right I
00:47:24
am normally wrong he always says that right before he gets political right uh start with Reagan I think there was drug
00:47:31
running I think there was gun running I think our government's normally involved
00:47:34
in [ __ ] we shouldn't be we should mind our own goddamn business sometimes I think because of the drug smuggling that
00:47:41
was coming in then they started this stupid thing called War on Drugs which was actually a war on uh inner city
00:47:49
Black America and if you think I'm just talking out my ass do some damn research
00:47:55
on it and then give get back with me and then tell me I'm wrong and I actually think that there's there's actually
00:48:00
evidence of Reagan saying hey you know we thought the war on drug was going to be great we didn't know it was just
00:48:05
going to give slaps on the wrist to Middle America you know White America and that it was going to screw up black
00:48:12
families for Generation to generation so uh shameful Reagan for that but we all make mistakes I think a lot of the stuff
00:48:19
he did was good um was never a big fan of George Bush uh I thought he had some weird agendas then let's go to Clinton I
00:48:29
think some of the research that I've seen on him in this whole pedophile stuff which is a whole separate case is
00:48:35
very shameful I think he's a [ __ ] stain uh I think he's very you know self-centered how much greed can he have
00:48:43
how much power can he have and I think he's done some shady [ __ ] as far as this
00:48:49
case goes I don't think Reagan knew anything about it no I don't think I don't even think Bill actually knew a
00:48:55
bunch about it yeah I think he knew that there was drugs coming in to Mena airport but but I think he knew that was
00:49:05
coming from the government mhm so how much is he supposed to say and I and I know that the government probably knew
00:49:12
that there was probably some drug running on the side and we just can't do much about that because we're doing some
00:49:17
shady [ __ ] M so I believe like you said at some point these these uh Pilots had
00:49:24
this opportunity we can make a little extra money well now we got to figure out places to drop just so happened that
00:49:31
this airport was close to this town MH and there was some dude there you know named Dan Harmon that's a bad bad ombre
00:49:40
right mhm and that's what happened it got mixed up and I don't I don't think look I don't know if the boys were going
00:49:47
out there to to steal drugs I mean I've done some stupid [ __ ] when I was 16 and
00:49:52
17 years old I had some stupid ideas right so I wouldn't put it past them but even if they were you shouldn't end up
00:50:01
dead right you know you're 16 and 17 year old kid did they fight back hopefully because look at some point you
00:50:09
know if a if a officer is using his powers for bad at some point defend yourself and I think that's probably
00:50:17
what happened the other thing that the only question that I have about that is what if one of those boys was wearing
00:50:25
cam what if one of those boys fired at the officer mhm they had a gun we know that
00:50:31
but either way I think what it came down to was those boys were dead before they
00:50:36
were on the tracks and they put them on the tracks to cover it up and then anybody that knew anything about it they
00:50:43
they murdered and because they paid off this guy and again I think if you're paying off FY right
00:50:51
mhm well then FY you're a [ __ ] stain and I hope you get a all sir and I hope your
00:50:56
head [ __ ] pops off and goes right up your ass that's what I hope happens uh and then I hope that your dog crawls up
00:51:03
your ass and eats your head that's what I hope happens if you did all this stuff
00:51:09
out of fear then then my hat goes off to you because I don't know what I'd do in
00:51:15
that situation all right there's people around you dying left and right mysterious deaths he had the ability to
00:51:21
do something about that though you know he he absolutely did have the ability to
00:51:26
do something about that would it would it had caused his own own demise possibly right uh maybe even likely one
00:51:34
could say um but well right but it's hard to sit there and say you know well it's actually easy to sit there and say
00:51:41
you know what I'd do the right thing right you know if people were dying around me I don't give a [ __ ] I'd do the
00:51:48
right thing and it's like maybe you would I'd like to think I would but but I have never been around a
00:51:56
situation where people were dying left and right mhm but you know what if I did die they would have to bring in another
00:52:05
corner and he might not be able to get paid off and they might not be able to do anything about it on that point but
00:52:12
there was all these checks and balances and I think because Dan Harmon had his hands in everybody's Pockets you know
00:52:18
playing a away game of pocket that that's why all this stuff got covered up and I think because of
00:52:25
the government running drugs and because of I believe Bill Clinton there's enough
00:52:30
evidence that proves that Bill Clinton you know it's the ' 80s a lot of people of power were doing cocaine mhm and so I
00:52:38
think because of the government running drugs in and out of Mena airport their hands are almost tied where they can't
00:52:45
they can't even go after the scumbag Dan Harmon because what does that do to you
00:52:50
I mean yeah they put him in jail and stuff but you got to go after him for murder mhm cuz that's what happened
00:52:56
there's two boys that are dead 16 and 17 years old not they never got to the point where they're old enough to vote
00:53:04
for you know the left or the right mhm they don't have that right they didn't they didn't make it to the age where
00:53:11
they could drink a couple beers in the garage and talk about some crime they they never made it to that point and
00:53:19
their families never got to see them get to that point because of what because of
00:53:25
some some douchebags that wanted to make a couple extra bucks because they got into normally when you get into a
00:53:33
political power and a political system you're there to serve right that's your job yeah but all these people the the
00:53:41
paycheck was too small I don't want to just serve it's about me it's about me you know in this country you know on a
00:53:49
on a side rant we're all becoming a little too much me me me me and I think it's [ __ ] it's hor [ __ ] well and
00:53:58
it's like I said for me it starts off with Dan Harmon and other people at his level being drug users I think that's
00:54:06
where it starts for me is that they they were already compromised people because
00:54:11
they were drug users they weren't able to clearly understand or or should have clearly understood what their power
00:54:18
meant and that they are there to serve the people they're there to protect the communities and this drug addiction this
00:54:26
drug habit got in the way compromised them from the very beginning and that's what led to him selling drugs and others
00:54:34
in the area selling drugs and you know if somebody asked me you know well Nick why why the hell would so many people be
00:54:41
quiet about this well we're not talking about you know when we say Barry seal and they estimate between three and five
00:54:49
billion that's with a B not with an M that's a b f three to five billion dollars that he brought into this
00:54:56
country now he was bringing those in through through multiple States but the thing is it we we believe other Pilots
00:55:03
were probably doing this as well we're not talking about $50 or $100 here or there to this guy or Joe at the local
00:55:12
supermarket look the other way we're talking about potentially hundreds of millions of
00:55:17
dollars that's being spread around because of the stuff that's being brought in and you know what guess what
00:55:24
I you know Tim down at the grocery store I'm not asking you to do anything wrong
00:55:30
but here's here's here's some free drugs here's two grand I'm just asking you to
00:55:35
say you don't know anything about the situation right I'm just asking you to keep quiet just keep my name out your
00:55:42
mouth and we'll be fine it's it's very frustrating I can tell by the way you're stomping around the garage here as you
00:55:48
gave that that that very angry uh Speech there but the thing is you know we set out to we set out the mission was to set
00:55:56
out to figure out who killed these boys was it a murder to begin with yes we we can we established that who who killed
00:56:03
him we both at the local level we both agree what we think happened that night we think Dan Harmon and some other guys
00:56:10
uh most likely Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane were all involved in this situation and then they spent almost two years
00:56:17
covering this thing up you know so I think at the local level we set out to to kind of figure out what happened to
00:56:23
these two boys we didn't set out to you know uh correct 40 Years of the US government's foreign policy uh but
00:56:32
regarding the boys on the tracks I think we we we agree what happened that night
00:56:37
right and I think at the end of the day that people of power and people of money
00:56:42
get away with a bunch of [ __ ] and and I just want to take the moment to say uh
00:56:49
you know to to Don Henry to Kevin Ives to their family members if any body's listening to this we we are sorry for
00:56:57
your loss and we're sorry that there wasn't Justice you know for you and your family and your loved ones M all right
00:57:05
now it's uh it's time for mini beers yeah well I'm all worked up it's going to be an angry drive home from the the
00:57:12
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