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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] [Music] crime [Music] [Music] the following is from the Arizona
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Republic newspaper Tuesday November 30th 2004 the headline read armored car guard shot
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killed Slayer fleas on bike after auki robbery the article by Emily Bitner reads and part an armored car guard was
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ambushed and killed on Monday November 29th 2004 in auki Foothills in which the shooter escaped on a bicycle Robert
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Keith palomarez just age 24 was carrying the weekend deposits out of the AMC auki 24 movie theater the
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shooter laying wait near a ticket booth Keith palomares a guard for Dunbar Armored did not have a chance to draw
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his gun he was wearing body armor but was shot several times and died later the other guard stayed in the
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vehicle which is standard procedure when one guard is making a collection police
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declined to disclose how much money was taken Witnesses said that the suspect rode a black and red mountain bike
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Southeast away from the arrowhead Foothills town center and carried the black and tan money bag he is described
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as a 25 to 30y old man about 5' 8 in tall he was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt or jacket and dark
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jeans authorities set up a perimeter around the theater but investigators have no good
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leads police found a bicycle abandoned nearby but it did not fit witness's description of the robbers bike video
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surveillance from nearby businesses was not helpful in identifying a suspect a spokesman for Dunbar which at
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the time was the largest private armored car service in the country said that fatal robberies are rare but that its
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employees put their lives on the line daily Keith palomares the guard that was shot and killed on that Monday morning
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back in 2004 was just 24 years old he had his whole life and future in front of him he was
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working hard in the early stages of building a career and just months before his death he celebrated his first
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wedding anniversary make no mistakes about it this was not just a robbery this was coldblooded premeditated
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first-degree murder did the shooter do this for personal profit or self-preservation at the end of the day
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none of that matters it certainly didn't matter for Keith palomar's family and it did not matter to the
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Phoenix police or the Federal Bureau of Investigation robbing an armored truck is a federal crime The Manhunt was
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on in the early stages of their investigation detectives and agents learned that the man that they were
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looking for was Jason Derek Brown American murderer this is true crime [Music] garage is
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[Music] good American murderer Jason Derek Brown has been on the run from the FBI and the
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Phoenix police now for oh about 17 years 330 days if my calculations are correct
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there Captain currently Jason Derek Brown is 53 years of age he is wanted for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution
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first-degree murder and armed robbery and I would like everyone to pay close attention here because the number one
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purpose of this this episode is to locate apprehend and charge Jason Brown With Murder deliver him to the courts
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for sentencing because this guy's been on the run for far too long for a crime that is completely senseless totally
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heinous and this guy should be locked up when Jason Brown went on the Run he was
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listed as 5 fo 10 in tall and 170 to 180 pounds he is Caucasian with blonde hair
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and green eyes he speaks French fluently according to Fox News Jason Brown loves
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to go out drinking and doesn't have close ties to his family except for his brother he enjoys skiing snowboarding
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and riding dirt bikes and ATVs he kept his house extremely clean requiring visitors to remove their shoes before
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entering that could be a possible identifier uh he is believing to be using aliases that include Jason D Brown
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Derek Brown Greg Johnson hairline Johnson Greg hairline Johnson John Brown and Jay Brown are just some of the
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aliases that he may have used in the past or maybe currently using well Jason is wellb built and to describe his hair
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at the time that he went missing it was almost like he was doing his best poly D
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almost like he had a blowout at one time the FBI was offering a $100,000 reward for information leading
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to Jason Derek Brown's arrest I don't know the current reward for his capture although I am positive that there would
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be one authorities provided age progression photos of Jason Brown to news outlets years ago and we will post
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those on some of our socials on Twitter for sure follow me at tcgn and follow the show at True Crime
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garage he's one of those ones captain that he when he hit the list when he first went on to the FBI's 10 Most
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Wanted fugitive list he was mentioned in several news articles as looking like Shawn Penn and looking like a surfer
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dude and that's why a lot of people thought that he kind of stood out from the other nine individuals that were on
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the list and his FBI Most Wanted picture Jason in his red hoodie became very famous you saw this on Dat line you saw
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this on other news networks and all over the Internet some of you that paid close
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attention to today's trailer and if you are a longtime listener of this fine program then you are thinking this case
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sounds familiar and you would be right that is because we discussed this case on some old shows that were titled most
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wanted those shows were released back in early August of 2017 and they are episodes number 130 and 131 on your
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true crime garage listening dial thousands of wonderful people listened to those two episodes one person in
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particular who we know that was listening is friend of the show Matthew Gentile Matthew is a writer and director
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who I am certain is on his way to Hollywood greatness Matthew became quite fixated on this case the details of the
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events leading up to Jason Brown committing this murder and then Jason fleeing the area and now Jason is on the
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run an American murderer and more importantly an American fugitive back in 2017 when we covered the FBI 10 most one
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in fugitives Jason Derek Brown was on that list this Robbery Homicide or as the FBI crime classification manual May
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classify this as a profit felony homicide took place in 2004 as described in the trailer but on December 8th 2007
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Jason Derek Brown was named by the FBI as the 489th fugative to be placed on its 10
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most wanted list he is considered to be armed and extremely dangerous a little bit of follow-up here Captain because
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that list that 10 most wanted list has changed considerably since we covered it five
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years ago right in fact earlier this year in early September so on September 7th of
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2022 Jason dererk Brown was actually removed from the 10 most wanted list without being captured however of course
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he is still wanted he is still a wanted man he was replaced on the list by Michael James Pratt and actually there
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was a of a news break here you can go to fbi.gov and research all the people that
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have been added to the list removed to the list for whatever reason if you look up Jason Derek Brown again he's number
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489th he was added in December of 2007 and was removed in September of this year and then under that it states Jason
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dererk Brown is wanted for the murder and armed robbery of an armored car guard in Phoenix Arizona in November of
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2004 he was removed from the list after it was determined that he no longer fit the criteria for inclusion on the list
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yeah which is obviously a vague explanation yeah and like I said the the list has changed considerably since we
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covered it five years ago Jason Derek Brown is not on there currently also of course there were several wanted
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fugitives that were located and apprehended since 2017 so they've been removed for the purpose for that purpose
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and I know one of the cases that we highlighted in those episodes the individual turned himself into police
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now there were two others that we covered that were removed from the list just like Jason Derek Brown was and this
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was a little surprising to me and we'll get into the workings of the FBI's 10 most wanted list here in a minute but it
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was surprising to me when I looked up the list Captain because this is something that I do look up a couple
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times a year I don't stay on top of it weekly or anything like that but look it up a couple times a year and I've
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noticed that a lot of the faces that were on there in 2007 are no longer on there there's one Alexis Flores or Alexi
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Flores if I'm pronouncing his name correctly I recognize him is still being on there from five five years earlier
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but Jason Derrick Brown was removed another guy that we covered is this William Brad Bishop Jr remember he was
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the man that murdered his family and he's been on the run ever since and he's been on the run for a very very long
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time he was actually removed from the list in 2018 so less than a year after we covered The 10most Wanted list he was
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removed and it simply states that he was removed from the list making room for the FBI to put another dangerous
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fugitive on the list he had been on the list for a considerable amount of time he would have been 81 years of age if if
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in fact he is still alive he would have been 81 years old in 2018 when they removed him from the list yeah on the
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Run Shen in his pants not because he's scared but because of his age another individual that was removed and he was
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removed rather recently as well is this Robert William fiser some of our listeners may know him there is a
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documentary out there that was released in 2011 documentary is titled where is Robert fiser I know it was on Amazon for
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quite some time and maybe on Netflix so I'm sure a lot of our listeners have watched or viewed that this documentary
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relies heavily on interviews with journalists and detectives and features interviews with Robert Fischer's sister
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and one of his neighbors and the documentary includes home footage of fiser taken by his wife Mary which was
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described as eerie and disturbing because the crime that he is wanted for is the murder of his family and then he
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set the home on fire afterwards now he was allegedly you know this is all alleged activity none of this has been
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proven even with uh William Bradford Bishop Jr it's not been proven in court that Jason
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Derek Brown killed the armed guard and it's not proven that Robert William fiser but in all three of these cases
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we're talking about this is the prime suspect in all three of these cases these three guys are still wanted in the
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case of Robert fiser and William Bradford Bishop Jr those two were considered to be the only suspect in
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those crimes and because they fled and they have the police have proof in both cases that they
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fled well then they were placed on this 10most Wanted list and they're considered a a fugitive by the FBI on
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the federal level and then with our guy with the subject of Today Show of this week's shows Jason Derek Brown they were
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able to recover fingerprints from the getaway bicycle that was used during the commission of this Robbery Homicide that
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was committed by again edly Jason Derek Brown but we can sit here Captain the two of us and with all garage confidence
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say Jason Dereck Brown committed this murder that is why the FBI has been looking for him all of these years yeah
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you're absolutely correct if one were to go to fbi.gov you could look up the current 10most Wanted list as it is
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today but a little history a little background on the list itself before we get into more of the story about Jason
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Derek Brown the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list has been in existence since March 14th
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1950 this is when a reporter for the international news service asked the Bureau for the names and descriptions of
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the quote toughest guys the bureau would like to capture the resulting story generated so much publicity and had so
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much appeal that late FBI director J Edgar Hoover implemented the 10 most wanted fugitives program the first
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person to be placed on the list was Thomas James Holden wanted for the murder of his wife her brother and her
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stepbrother since its Inception 529 fugitives have been on the 10 most wanted fugitives list and happy to
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report here that 492 of them have been apprehended or located yeah I give that a hell yeah go
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Team America some interesting facts about the program are 163 fugitives have been captured located as a result of
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Citizen cooperation so the list is working in that regard two fugitives were apprehended as a result of visitors
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on an FBI tour the shortest amount of time spent on the 10 most wanted fugitives list was 2 hours this guy was
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only on the list for two hours this was Billy Austin Bryant back in 1969 the longest amount of time spent on
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the 10 most wanted fugitives list was over 32 years by Victor Manuel Gina nine fugitives were arrested prior to
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publication and release so they were added to the list but it before it could be released to the public they were
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actually apprehended so I guess their still considered to be officially on the list the oldest person to be placed on
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the list was 80-year-old Eugene Palmer who was added in May of 2019 and of course this program relies
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heavily on the assistance of citizens and the media publicity from coast to coast and around the world has been
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important to this list in helping to apprehend some of these fugitives like we said it's been very successful
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program 492 have been apprehended or located out of the 529 fugitives that have been placed on
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the list media's involvement and participation in this list and sharing this list in other countries has been
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very important to capturing these criminals as one can imagine a lot of these fugitives are on the run and when
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on the run a lot of them will flee to other countries given the opportunity and so this program and the media's
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involvement with this program and putting out these guys pictures we say guys because most of the people on this
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list have been of the male type and pictures of these guys and what their crimes are and what aliases they may be
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using where they may be hiding out all of that information when broadcast globally is so important
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because a lot of these dudes will flee to other countries and many of them have been apprehended in other countries and
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like we said you can check out this list at fbi.gov and one of the fascinating things about the website itself is on
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fbi.gov there's some frequently asked questions about the list so we're going to dive into a couple of those yeah we
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Cherry Picked a few of these because there are some that are natural questions that I think pop in one's mind
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immediately once thinking about the 10 most wanted list or viewing the current status as it is of the 10 most wanted
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list so the first question is what is the purpose of the FBI's 10most wanted fugitives program the answer the 10most
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wanted fugitives program is a publicity program funded by the FBI that started in March of 1950 in conjunction with the
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nation's news media it is designed to publicize particularly dangerous fugitives who might not otherwise Merit
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Nationwide attention the FBI recognizes the need for public assistance in tracking
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fugitives 163 of the 10 most wanted fugitive apprehensions have been the result of Citizen recognition of the 10
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most wanted fugitive well this kind of goes to the idea of our true crime podcast or is True Crime media
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sources is this important to law enforce enforcement I think if you talk to the dummies the big the big big
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dummies they would tell you no we don't we don't need these podcasts covering these cases or putting out
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information and sometimes the information that people are putting out is incorrect but if you talk to the good
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guys on the force most of them will tell you look these are helpful it's helpful
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for people to be talking about these cases and sharing information online and sharing uh pictures and
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sharing sharing the story because some people will come out later with little details because they they hear about
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this they hear about a show covering a case and they feel like it's important to share their details about the case
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which they may have never shared with law enforcement before well and what's so interesting too here in this
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situation is today is really a weird episode for us right because we feature unsolved cases we feature solved cases
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we feature missing persons cases we've done several suspicious deaths or undetermined cause of death cases
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suicide homicide sometimes it's not so clear this is the rare show that we actually feature a case where I would
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consider it to be solved as in we know what happened how it went down and who was responsible but not solved in the
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sense that the man is not behind bars the person responsible the person who committed this horrible serious crime is
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not been apprehended not been located well and on top of that then you can go further and say well this is a solved
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crime yet not solved but we also have a missing person because we do not know where Jason is and we don't know if
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Jason is still alive so then the aspect of the way you look into a missing person case is very similar on how you
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have to look into Jason's case as well another frequently Asked question is who actually decides which fugitives go on
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the list the answer the criminal investigative division C at FBI headquarters calls upon all 56 field
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offices to submit candidates for the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list the nominees received are reviewed by
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special agents in the CID and the office of public affairs the selection of the proposed candidates is then forwarded to
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FBI executive management for final approval so there is quite the process involved for putting somebody on this
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list and what is the criteria for getting on that list or being placed on the list first the individual must have
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a lengthy record of committing serious crimes and or be considered a particularly dangerous Menace to Society
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due to current criminal charges second it must be believed that the Nationwide publicity afforded by the program can be
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of assistance in apprehending The Fugitive who in turn should not already be notorious due to other publicity so
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so I I'm going to kind of throw something out there that goes to the early part of that last statement it
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doesn't follow through with the second part of it but here is a unique situation because we mentioned Matthew
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Gentile earlier and the reason why we said that we know he was listening to our Most Wanted episodes back in 2017 is
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because he told us he was and partly he was listening because he became fixated on the Jason Derek Brown case and he
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went on to write the movie and direct the movie that is in Select theaters now called American murder which is all
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about the Jason Derek Brown case now we sit here in late October of 2022 Jason Derek Brown having been
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removed from the list in September of this year but what's interesting to me here Captain is I think we were able to
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watch the movie and I very much enjoyed the movie but one of the disappointing aspects to the movie to me was I thought
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that it would have been better served that they actually show Jason Derek Brown's picture that famous picture of
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his that was taken days before he commits the homicide and it's put that was his FBI Most Wanted list picture I
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thought that that would have been smart by the movie maker ERS they chose to go a different route and they featured a
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picture of the actor that plays him instead the other misstep that I think is is had here is by the FBI itself now
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I don't know that they had any information that this movie would be coming out it's a little weird that he's
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removed from the list just months well not even a full two months before this movie comes out but I think that the
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movie and the FBI working hand inand together the that this movie could generate could be
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a really good tool for law enforcement with the purpose of maybe potentially apprehending this guy finally after all
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of these years well and if you read about Jason's case it also seems like out of all the people on the most wanted
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list they get so many calls about him sightings that people think they saw Jason somewhere so like you said now
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that there's going to be more publicity about about this case and more people talking about this case to remove him
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right before that kind of seems a little silly yeah and so I don't know if they were aware that this movie was coming
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out but regardless today they would be because the movies in theaters now it was in theaters as of last Friday I
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believe the 21st and we recently have one of the current 10 most wanted fugitives was
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recently captured this is Raphael cororo quenta so you may have an opening on that list
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and I do know that there have been in certain instances back throughout history that an individual has been
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placed on the list more than one time so what what I'm begging of the FBI is use
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this tool that came out with this movie coming out as an excuse to let's put him
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back on the list he he he's certainly not less wanted today than he was yesterday right put him back on the list
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he's incredibly dangerous he is a menace to society he clearly fits the criteria
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because he has been on the list before I'm sure there's already workings to put somebody on this list to take the place
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of the captured Raphael Coro Quintero but if it's not Jason Derek Brown I'm asking Let It Be Jason Derrick Brown
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because this is the opportunity that you can have your 56 field offices you can get let's get one person from each field
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office to contact a media Outlet a news outlet and say hey hey scotum chaer we got some news for you people want they
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crave unfortunately true crime news it's it's all over the place it's not just on
00:31:44
podcast it's on these local news stations frequently as of the it's always been in the news but in the last
00:31:50
several years it's ramped up quite a bit so let's get somebody from these field offices to contact the news outlet and
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say hey I've got a a story for you here's this guy that's wanted by the FBI he's been on our FBI Wanted list all of
00:32:05
these years he was removed from the list because of Y yada yada da d da da da they don't give a complete reason why or
00:32:14
a very firm reason why but tell us why he was removed and say hey look we've placed him back on the list because we
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need the Public's help to apprehend this individual now there's this movie that come out American murderer that's about
00:32:30
the story that's about Jason Derek Brown we would like we would like to take this
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moment to broadcast this out to as many people as possible and I think now is a good time I think the last time that
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they produced age progression photos of Jason Derrick Brown I believe might have
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been 2013 or 2014 I think Now's the Time to update those as well and let's start
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pedling this picture out out and this name and this story out to every news outlet that we can get out there because
00:33:01
I think that this could if he is still out there somewhere and within the Long Reach of the law Now's the Time to Get
00:33:12
thisy Well no statute of limitation on murder but you also wonder what the Intel of the FBI is and also is it
00:33:22
possible that they get Intel of where they think he is they get a lot more sightings they're tracking this
00:33:29
individual they end up pulling him off the list because they want him to feel uh a little more safe and maybe by
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pulling him off the list they think maybe he will become more vulnerable uh because he will feel safe
00:33:44
and maybe that will lead to the the capture of Jason Derek Brown a lot more to get to after this quick beer
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cheers mate cheers to you Captain uh some other questions that I find interesting that are on the FBI's
00:36:37
website and this is really plays to our individual that we are seeking help with
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Jason Derek Brown one question is when are fugitives removed from the list the answer 10 most wanted fugitives are only
00:36:52
removed from the list when they meet one of the following conditions first they are captured that makes sense duh second
00:37:01
the federal process pending against the individual is dismissed this is not an FBI decision so this sounds like if you
00:37:10
were placed on the list you were wanted for these reasons for for it being believed that you committed these crimes
00:37:19
well at some point evidence could change that and maybe you were no longer considered a suspect that they would
00:37:25
remove you from that purpose and then the third answer that they give this is the vague area where I believe like
00:37:32
Jason Derek Brown and some of the others that we mentioned Bishop Jr and fiser Robert William fiser may fall it says
00:37:42
third they no longer fit 10 most wanted fugitives criteria so that's a nice vague answer now it says that in the 133
00:37:51
cases where fugitives were removed for the third reason it was determined that each fugitive was no longer considered
00:37:59
to be a particularly dangerous menace to society when a fugitive is removed from
00:38:05
the list another is added to take his or her place so where you have somebody like William Bradford Bishop Jr who has
00:38:15
been on the run for so long is 81 years of age at the time when you remove him from the list in
00:38:22
2018 that makes some sense because they're probably thinking like look this dude's been on the list for all of these
00:38:30
years him being on the list has clearly not led to us finding him or him being apprehended and now if he is if he is
00:38:40
still alive he would be old he would be ancient he'd be 81 years old he may not be particularly dangerous to society if
00:38:48
he is still alive but there's also the added factor that he might not be alive and now he's just this Cog you know he's
00:38:56
just just this this thing that's jamming up a spot on your 10 most wanted fugitives list so I think at some point
00:39:03
you do have to decide do we take these guys off uh but but what's interesting to me here Captain is what we're seeing
00:39:10
is this list has been around since 1950 we talked about the numbers 529 individuals making this list since
00:39:19
1950 over 400 of them have been apprehended it's got a really good success rate and here there's saying
00:39:26
only 13 cases do we have where a fugitive was removed for the third reason was not captured or the federal
00:39:34
process pending against the individual dismissed well what we know about Jason Derek Brown this uh douchebag B boner
00:39:43
hanger he was not caught and the charges were not dropped so again maybe if there's some Intel that they have that
00:39:53
possibly he is deceased it just does doesn't make a lot of sense to me especially when you read in so many
00:40:01
articles and so much information out there saying this guy is one of the number one calls that the FBI gets is
00:40:08
about Jason Brown so if you're getting all these calls and you got to assume that that
00:40:15
some of these calls are credible leads that you would not want to stop that information from coming in yeah and
00:40:23
again we will post those pictures I hope that they update the age progression photos of Jason Derek Brown I think now
00:40:31
would be a good as good of a time as any uh and a good excuse to update those photos and get those back out to the
00:40:40
public now one Outlet we we discussed news outlets earlier and how I would use them if I were at the FBI and in
00:40:49
relation to Jason's case but one news outlet that was doing such stories was news2 NBC news2 out of Arizona when back
00:41:00
in 2017 they were running regular segments on their news what they were calling Arizona's Most Wanted and of course they
00:41:10
featured Jason Derek Brown's case then and there and I wanted to read some parts of that article because it gives
00:41:19
some further explanation in more detail about this individual this wanted individual and the crime that he is
00:41:27
accused of committing and it reads wanted for first-degree murder armed robbery and unlawful flight to avoid
00:41:36
prosecution the FBI and Phoenix police say Jason Derek Brown murdered Dunbar Armored car guard Keith
00:41:44
palamore after he collected the box office receipts from the AMC theaters in auki on November 29th 2004 auki is in AR
00:41:56
izona FBI supervisory special agent Lance leing says Brown fired six rounds from a 45 caliber
00:42:06
semi-automatic five bullets into palom Mor's head the FBI says Brown got away with
00:42:13
$56,000 in the money bag he took off on a mountain bike from the side alley of the movie theater the bike was later
00:42:21
recovered and was dusted for Prince the FBI says the prince matched that of Jason Derek Brown who had previous
00:42:29
arrests the agent in charge was among the first to respond to the scene and he goes on to say when we responded to that
00:42:37
911 call you had you kind of have an idea in your head of what the criminal is going to be like maybe his previous
00:42:46
history when you respond to a crime of this magnitude you expect that the suspect is going to have a lengthy
00:42:52
criminal history so this crime this murder to break it down even further note the
00:42:59
date there November 29th 2004 that would have been a Monday and this was the Monday after the long
00:43:10
Thanksgiving weekend and we all know how busy the movie theaters get on Thanksgiving Day weekend really what
00:43:18
Jason Derek Brown's plan was that this would be a huge score that this would be one of the best days to hit this kind of
00:43:30
robbery because it would be a big take that the the movie theater would have had a really big weekend and he would be
00:43:37
making off with a ton of money now what's so coldblooded and calculated and this is why Jason derck Brown deserves
00:43:46
to be on this list and this is why I consider him to still be a menace to society think about how coldblooded this
00:43:53
homicide is he knew going into into this that he was going to kill somebody yeah
00:43:58
it wasn't a robbery that went wrong no this was part of the plan this is premeditated murder he knew he had
00:44:06
watched that movie theater he had watched that truck that armored car pull up and pick up that money several times
00:44:15
before committing this crime he knew that the armed guard Keith palmores who was in his mid 20s had his whole life
00:44:26
ahead of him Jason Derrick Brown knew that whoever was holding that bag walking out of that movie theater that's
00:44:32
who he was going to kill on that Monday morning and he knew too that this this guard would be protected would have a
00:44:40
bulletproof vest on and that's why he shot him in the head so many times and they say that when Brown attempted to
00:44:50
grab the bag and flee after shooting Palam mores that palamore one was ambushed we got to consider how chicken
00:44:58
[ __ ] and how cowardly this whole Act is you know where some people will say what
00:45:03
you know this guy must have have Stones the size of grapefruits to to pull this off in broad daylight and and attack a
00:45:11
man who's carrying a gun Palam mores was ambushed Derek Brown Jason Derrick Brown
00:45:16
popped out from behind a pillar near the the entrance of the movie theater gun already drawn and
00:45:24
already pointed at palamar before before he even knew what was going on Keith Palomar did not have an opportunity to
00:45:31
pull his weapon to defend himself when he's shot mult multiple times in the head and then when Jason
00:45:38
Derek Brown goes to flee the scene Keith palomares was doing his job just just a
00:45:44
man out there working that day just a guy hoping to go home at the end of the day like the rest of us loses his life
00:45:50
but Jason Derrick Brown had to fight palom mores to get the bag from his hand to pry it from his hand as he was dying
00:45:59
there and brown takes off he hops on this bike and he high tails it out of there riding his bike off to where he
00:46:06
had a vehicle stash a getaway vehicle stash and he hops in that that vehicle and because there were several witnesses
00:46:15
at the scene they tell police hey this is what the guy looked like this is how the crime went down and oh by the way he
00:46:23
fled on a bicycle well when they were cover that bicycle they dust it for prints and because Jason Derrick Brown
00:46:30
had a police record his prints were on file that's how we know that he committed this crime one thing that's
00:46:36
weird captain that is not widely discussed on on this case but is of interest to me is there is an individual
00:46:44
that is listed as a potential co-conspirator or a potential partner in crime here for this particular crime
00:46:52
there was a man Jason Derrick Brown was staying in a a hotel that was somewhat near the crime scene at the time of the
00:46:59
crime and there was a man that he is seen talking to on the surveillance camera of that hotel now that man has
00:47:09
not been identified he could be somebody that has nothing to do with these crimes
00:47:14
or he could have been somebody that was an accomplice to Jason Derrick Brown we clearly don't know because all we know
00:47:21
is that Jason dererk Brown had an interaction had some kind of conversation with this indiv ual but we
00:47:26
do not know who this individual is it'd be interesting if somebody could come forward and say hey I was that guy I had
00:47:32
nothing to do with these crimes I may not even know you know I don't even technically know Jason Derek Brown we
00:47:38
were just two strangers exchanging pleasantries well and if you were eyewitness to this attack I mean this is
00:47:44
a horrific attack maybe you wouldn't notice other things like was this guy used as a pawn to distract individuals
00:47:55
at the movie theater was this individual used as a pawn to be a lookout for Jason
00:48:01
Derek Brown who knows some more highlights of this article that was put together by news2 NBC
00:48:10
news2 the special agent Lance Leon goes on to tell us a little bit more about the crime and describe Jason what is
00:48:19
Jason like and he says he Jason Dereck Brown thought this was going to be a big payday he thought this was going to be
00:48:27
millions of dollars it was not that of course is why he went to these extremes to commit murder again he knew he was
00:48:35
going to be killing somebody that day that's what's that's what needs to be reminded here that the coldblooded
00:48:41
nature of this crime uh and then ask what is Jason like the special agent says uh greedy is a good example vain
00:48:51
might be another good word to explain him put himself in front of everyone else that's why he chose to end
00:48:57
somebody's life for money I mean it's a ridiculous thing to end somebody's life for well before this point in his life
00:49:06
Jason seemed to just be kind of a douchebag and I know I say that a lot about these individuals but this guy was
00:49:16
this guy was cocky this guy was arrogant this guy fits the definition of douchebag probably more to a greater
00:49:24
degree than than any other douchebags that we've discussed on the show and he was basically a con man mhm and so he'd
00:49:32
run these little cons when he could and he would con his family and he was a known drug user and I'm guessing that's
00:49:41
why part of the reason uh he needed the money but also he he would rent very nice houses and he would drive very nice
00:49:52
cars he drove a Escalade in a BMW so this guy was basically looking at life and it seems like he was a good guy
00:50:02
to start maybe a good person to start and then it there was like a a switch that went off in him he he went from it
00:50:12
went from being a religious person somebody that was married seemed to have everything going in the right
00:50:21
direction he even did some missionary work and then he goes through this divorce and it seems like he just was
00:50:30
like okay well this is life and I don't want to play by other people's rules I'm
00:50:36
going to play by my own rules from now on and I'm going to use people and manipulate people and to the point like
00:50:45
the colonel keeps saying to the point where he realized I could score big and all I have to do is murder somebody all
00:50:54
I have to do is take take somebody wipe them off this Earth a person he knew nothing of he he did not know this
00:51:01
individual he did not care who the person was it's not like he had any kind of beef with the guy it was any one of
00:51:10
us could have been the person carrying out the bag that day at the movie theater and this guy has decided that he
00:51:17
is going to take that person's life regardless of who it is and again there's not just one victim
00:51:24
here this victim had a family had friends had co-workers and Jason didn't care about any of that he
00:51:34
didn't care about manipulating the system he didn't care about manipulating his friends he didn't care about
00:51:40
manipulating and stealing from his own family Keith palmores as I said earlier was in his early 20s had just been
00:51:49
married the year before that he was killed this young man had Jason Derrick Brown not taken his life that day for
00:51:58
$56,000 this man likely would have you know went on to start a family of his own while this guy this horrible guy has
00:52:07
been on the Run since 2004 me we're talking captain we're coming up on 18 years since this crime
00:52:18
was committed Keith palomares would would very likely be a very happy father at this stage in his life had he not
00:52:26
been killed that day in 2004 with with kids that are now entering high school well and I think that's one of the most
00:52:32
fascinating things about this case though is if this wasn't going to be a big hit and going to be millions and
00:52:39
millions of dollars then maybe you could see that somebody like Jason would have
00:52:46
the funds to stay on the run to flee the country but 50 what 5 $8,000 56 yep $56,000 is not going to last you right
00:53:02
and the crime happened on November 29 2004 it was December 4th 2004 in which Jason derck Brown was officially charged
00:53:11
with first-degree murder and armed robbery he was then later charged with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution in
00:53:19
a federal arrest warrant that was issued two days later on December 6th by the United States district court for the
00:53:26
District of Arizona so you mentioned earlier Captain about where this guy could be and there have been some
00:53:35
sightings and and some known activity too so let's go through some of that known activity first so soon after being
00:53:42
identified as Prime Suspect a number one in this case Jason Dereck Brown fled the
00:53:49
State of Arizona to Henderson Nevada and then they authorities know that he continued on to Las Vegas this is where
00:53:58
he swapped out his bmwm3 for a black Cadillac Escalade that he had in storage he then drove to
00:54:06
Orange County California where he stayed with some relatives until December 6 2004 when FBI agents carrying out an
00:54:15
arrest warrant they believe that they missed they went to go arrest Jason Derek Brown they believe they missed him
00:54:23
by just one hour wow that he got out of there just one hour before they could show up to to get him and apprehend him
00:54:30
on December 6 makes you wonder how much information that his family had at that time about what Jason Brown was doing
00:54:39
with his life his brother would fit the definition of douchebag as well uh Jason
00:54:44
Derek Brown apparently used his credit card and this is why they know some of his activity used his credit card at a
00:54:52
gas station in southern Orange County California he traveled to San Diego near the Mexican border makes sense guy on
00:55:00
the Run get across the Mexican border but then they tracked him to Portland Oregon and then after this the FBI says
00:55:09
that brown became a ghost and completely went off the grid so they lose track of
00:55:16
him physically there at that point in the time line but it was the next month in January it was January 16th 20 five
00:55:25
that authorities discovered Jason Derek Brown's abandoned Cadillac that he left in long-term parking he left this in the
00:55:32
parking lot at the Portland International Airport this is really interesting to me here Captain because a
00:55:39
couple of things he goes to San Diego maybe giving the appearance that he wants to cross into Mexico then we are
00:55:48
able to track him the authorities track him up to Portland Oregon maybe giving the idea that no maybe he wants to cross
00:55:54
over over into Canada instead well if I was draun in from the law I my first pick would not be Mexico I could live in
00:56:03
Vancouver yeah I with just with the violence that goes on in in some of the cities in Mexico you know my luck
00:56:10
Captain if I if I fled to Mexico I'd end up dead there for some other reason well
00:56:14
yeah well just think about but just think about this like you said all this violence going on in Mexico and then you
00:56:21
go well what are Canadians known for being nice people I'll take my chances with the nice people and some more
00:56:30
information here it says that by 2005 so in in the course of less than one year the FBI received over 200 leads in the
00:56:39
case these are potential sightings of where Jason Derek Brown could be with the majority of those leads being
00:56:47
outside of the State of Arizona uh several of these leads came from outside of the United States as well well with
00:56:56
possible sightings in Canada like we had just mentioned as a possibility and again due to his California surfer dude
00:57:04
look and appearance douch they think that this this could be like a a double-edged sword here right where in
00:57:11
some cases may make him stand out or make him more memorable to people that have seen him on the 10 most wanted
00:57:19
fugitives list but they also say that this could give him the ability to blend into crowds and to to go unnoticed
00:57:28
because he kind of fits the scenery well I describe Jason like I said he kind of has that
00:57:35
frat boy look but because he had this strange haircut this almost like a blowout like paully D from Jersey Shore
00:57:45
you shave your head you get a new haircut this guy looks like an average white dude and then like you said I
00:57:56
think to catch a guy like this it's it's all going to depend how many characteristics of his
00:58:04
personality of his lifestyle that he keeps like I said he's known to drive nice cars or want to drive nice cars so
00:58:14
a a BMW Escalade well that's pretty simple to to fix get rid of the Escalade get a pickup truck you got you have a
00:58:24
haircut style that is very distinct change your haircut but there's some things like hey
00:58:31
come into my house take off your shoes oh this guy kind of looks like Jason Brown has similar
00:58:38
characteristics that that might be a personality trait that he doesn't change or like I said Jason Brown has a good
00:58:46
physique if he wanted to keep that up is he working out at his house is he working out at a gym I would I would
00:58:55
guess that there was a lot of sightings that were reported to the FBI you know somebody working out and having a guy
00:59:01
come into a gym that maybe wasn't familiar to the other people that come into the gym and go hey that guy kind of
00:59:08
looks like the guy on the FBI Most Wanted list well and you talk about the change in appearance or potential change
00:59:15
in his appearance just the passing of time it's been almost 18 years since the crime was committed just the passing of
00:59:23
time alone will make Jason Derrick Brown look different he could as you're pointing out could look considerably
00:59:31
different than he did 18 years ago and you know he does speak French fluently so fleeing to
00:59:41
Canada would make a lot of sense well the other thing too he has a very distinct
00:59:49
nose so but that is something that he could obviously change now looking at these age progression pictures that they
00:59:58
that the FBI provides us I'm giving these uh one bottle cap out of five these look awful these don't even
01:00:08
look like real people they did this with the Brian Schaefer case they did a age progression where I just go this guy
01:00:16
looks like he's in his 70s this guy looks like he's wearing a a mask of a old man uh you'd think that they'd be
01:00:24
able to do a better job of these age progression images now for persons on the 10 most wanted fugitives list there
01:00:33
is a minimum reward amount of $100,000 but in Jason Derek Brown's case the FBI was offering a reward of up to
01:00:42
$200,000 at one time while he was on the list again I'm guessing that there is a
01:00:48
reward out there for him how much that amount is currently I can't say with any level of confidence here but yeah you're
01:00:57
right I I I think that it's time to update these age-enhanced photographs of Jason Derrick Brown and one thing that's
01:01:04
that's good for the case good for the chance of apprehending him but also Eerie at the same time is the photograph
01:01:14
of Jason with that spiked hair with the blowout hair like you described taken in
01:01:20
2004 he's wearing the red hooded sweatshirt that if you watch the movie American
01:01:27
murderer he's wearing that sweatshirt uh at the time of uh committing the crimes
01:01:34
and he that picture was taken literally days before this homicide and so this is
01:01:42
one of those really weird situations where you have a a very updated photograph that is going out of a wanted
01:01:50
individual shortly after it's determined that he was responsible for these crimes
01:01:56
this picture was taken on the day that he purchased I I should strike that Captain
01:02:01
and say I I don't know if it was the day that he purchased the gun but I believe
01:02:06
that it was the day that he purchased the gun that he ended up using to commit this homicide I think the other thing
01:02:11
here with Jason Brown is all of his validation you know he a greedy guy but why because I want
01:02:22
to rent a nice house because I want to drive nice car I want to wear a fancy watch I want to go out on a boat I
01:02:30
believe he owned a boat at one point he he wants to live this flashy lifestyle I
01:02:36
would think that this would be very difficult to keep up for 14 years it's not like he was Ted kazinski living out in a
01:02:48
cabin and went missing a guy like that you might never find because he can just go to Alaska and live off the you know
01:02:57
live off the land and be a recluse and they're they're fine with that they can they thrive thrive in that condition I
01:03:07
don't think somebody like Jason Brown can thrive in that uh situation their validation comes from outside
01:03:19
sources is good is [Music] yeah thank you so much for joining us here in the flying garage ship yeah we
01:03:34
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