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someone's secrets what if you had learned about someone's past a very dark past and you suspected that person of
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murder multiple murders but this person this evil dangerous person is not in prison he is not tucked
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but they had no proof would you confront the man would you confront a killer how close would you
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[Music] get we're talking with Gina frenzel a licensed private investigator in the
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state of Texas Gina can you take us through your typical work week oh a typical work week is is a lot of a lot
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of research work everything starts at the desk and on the phone and vetting everything that we have to do but the
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most common cases that that we work are what we call domestic cases you know cheating spouses a child custody
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those types of things that's kind of our cash flow to keep the the business going
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and then I am one of the few that Branch out and try to volunteer for missing persons families that can't afford
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cases uh to be you know to hire a pi to work on cases especially missing persons
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I like the cold cases the best I like the historical aspect of it but commonly I mean th those are few and far between
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if if families have the money they'll come to us you know ask for the services but most families don't have a lot of
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money and that's part of the reason unfortunately why they end up being cold cases so I try to choose a case or two
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during the year to work on and uh reach out to a family usually it's a Texas case because I can get a lot of the the
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work done you know locally but so times like right now I'm working on a missing person case out of Washington state for
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a family the case that we're going to be talking about it goes backways I believe
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it starts in 1962 How did you get involved in this this was actually one that kind of found
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me I was on my way to a private investigation convention up in Dallas and I was traveling with a colleague of
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mine and I decided to download some stuff on my Kindle to read you know because you have downtime and and during
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during the conference there's downtime and also and I'm a big reader so I'm looking I kind of blame the whole thing
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on Amazon I I'll be honest with you because I'm looking at my suggested reading list now God forbid somebody uh
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you know pick up my Kindle and look at my reading list they would probably need therapy when they're done I read all
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true crime stories the only uh fictional author that I read is John Grisham the rest of them are all true crime and and
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there's no filter on anything I'm pretty uh morbid when it comes to my reading list so Amazon of course clues in on
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that and at the very bottom there was this 99 cent book and it was called gone and I was
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like oh 99 Cents I'm cheap too so yeah I'll take the 99 cent book you know and it's a short read I think it's like 30
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pages or something this is the book Gone by Jerry Mitchell and it's about Felix veale who is a suspected serial killer
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so while I was gone on this convention I read and it was just fascinating and I'm
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one of these people that if something is really interesting to me I don't just read the book and be like oh that was
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cool and lay the book down I get online and I start researching and I want to know the ups and downs and lefts and
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rights of every little detail about it you know and this guy I don't know what it was there were
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something with Annette and and which was one of the missing women that really just connected with me and so I just
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started researching it well I I'm still in Dallas and I Google his name and it pops up that he is living in Kenyon Lake
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well that's like an hour and a half from where I live so on my way home I just kind of cruised through the area and so
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you know being a private investigator you get the privilege of you know databases proprietor database and so I
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just ran his name through there and figured out where he lived and drove by and and of course he was outside at the
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time it was kind of funny and he yelled at me for driving by it that was an interesting little
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interaction and then I get home and about a week later I thought man this is this guy is still out there obviously
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there's a question of his guilt or innocence I wonder if Jerry would need any help cuz Jerry's in
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Mississippi so I just sent him an email and I offered my services I just said hey this is me this is what I do I'm
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literally in the guy's backyard um if you need any you know research work done or anything like that
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I'd be happy to help because I do want to help the families get closure and there was a fire on the
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property that he was living on had nothing to do with Felix at all okay so on the property where Felix Vil the
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suspected serial killer lives there had been a fire previously that had caused some damage and Jerry was interested in
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the information about the fire and that's how I got involved and then I had zero intention of talking to Felix at
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all you know I treated that just like I would any other case and your your suspect or your prime target you usually
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either never talk to them or or they're the very last person in the chain of investigation that you talk to um like
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at the very end of your investigation that's when you you know kind of blow your wiad so to speak and you're because
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once you talk to them it's over everybody knows that you're talking to everybody else and you know the whole
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thing and and if you talk to that person sometimes it Spooks them and they take off so you're in the neighborhood you're
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talking with fire investigators you're almost pretending to be investigating this fire but
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you have no intention of speaking with the owner of the property Felix Vil I had zero intention of talking to Felix
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but being the smartass that I am I was talking to Jerry on the phone and I said well I'm just coming up you know empty
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I'm not really getting anywhere of this fire thing and I said I'm just down the road from where Felix lives I'm just
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going to go knock on his door and I laughed I literally laughed and Jerry comes back and said oh don't worry about
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that he won't he won't talk to you he doesn't talk to anybody he doesn't even open the gate he wouldn't even talk to
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law enforcement I Tred nobody he will not talk to anybody of course because he's hiding from a murder investigation
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in my mind I'm like oh really you want to bet so I took it as a personal Challenge and just drove over there and
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his gate was open I think if his gate wasn't open I probably would have never got never got with him you know as far
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as visiting or anything like that but his gate happened to be unlocked he probably regrets that but I just walked
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in and knocked on his door and then it went on from there you read a story telling you that this guy is probably a
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multiple murderer you suspect him of killing at least three people now you decide to go to his property you're on
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the property inside the gate and you're just going to knock on the door what what is the interaction like with with
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the serial killer with with the suspected serial killer I was shaking like a leaf and I'll tell you you do
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that not just because it was Felix but because it's the prime target you know it's the suspect in the case and
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anybody no matter how long you've been investigating or if you've never been in that situation before you're going to be
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nervous and it's it's a good thing because it keeps you alert driving over there I'm thinking to myself what am I
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going to say to this guy to get him to talk to me I mean obviously if I just walk up and say hey I read a book and
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read that you killed three women possibly obviously he's not going to talk to me so I needed a story I needed
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a cover story so I used the fire on the property and said that I was investigating the fire and technically
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it wasn't a total lie but you know it it morphed from there and I had my camera with me because I was using it for
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another uh case that I was working so I just got out with my camera bag and told
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them I said hey the insurance company is investigating this fire even though it happened a few years ago they've
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reopened the investigation they want me to come out and take pictures CU there's
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this big concrete slab where this house burned down and there's still Scorch marks on the slab so and then a burnt
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tree you know and just kind of weird stuff so I said they wanted me to just kind of photograph everything so it was
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about a 20 minute interaction and it was was rainy and cold and and he was kind of put off in
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the beginning you know he didn't want to mess with it and rightfully so I mean if
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somebody came to my house I would probably wouldn't want to mess with it either you know but he eventually about
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five or 10 minutes into the conversation kind of let down his guard a little bit
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and we were walking around and I'm snapping all these random useless photos he said something during that
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first 20 minutes that he he spoke about a girlfriend not one of the three women but a girlfriend that actually I met
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later on that was I guess they had a falling out obviously and and he had said something
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along the lines of a personal response nothing significant but when I left there I thought to myself that he he let
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down his guard enough to allow me to come back for a second time to see if I can get him to really talk to me and and
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because the whole the whole first part of the conversation he was just like you know the attitude of take your pictures
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and get off my property but as soon as we started getting chatty and he kind of let his guard down I knew I could go
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back at least one more time during this first interaction with Felix were you recording your
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conversations yeah I was recording the first one um I was wearing the sundress cuz it was late March early April and it
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was it started out as a hot day it turned chilly in that evening but uh so I wasn't dressed prepared to go and talk
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to him but it was a sometimes in the industry you have to dress a certain way for certain situations and another case
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that I was working on there was a gentleman that I needed to talk to and the only way I knew he was going
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to talk to me is if I showed a little cleavage for lack of a better way of putting it and so I dressed that way
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well if I would have hindsight I would have never dressed that way going to talk to Felix in the first place however
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it probably helped but the problem with that is usually I will put the recorder that I used I would put down in my bra
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and I didn't have one on that day and I'm like ah crap you know what am I going to do I got to record this this
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could be the only conversation I ever have with this man it has to be recorded and I'm wearing and so my next option
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you usually is my boot well I wasn't wearing boots I was wearing sandals so it promptly went down into the front of
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my panties and sat there the whole time while I was walking around with them picked it up great you know I was that's
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the first time I'd ever used that spot to hide my recorder but it worked I was a little worried and I thought okay if I
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sit down you know because it's just a little Olympus digital recorder and I thought if I sit down it could very well
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push a button I've had that happen before and and it stops it and it could mess up the recording you know there's
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all kinds of things that could happen but in that first interaction I didn't sit down I didn't have a reason to sit
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down so I was um grateful for that it goes better than you had expected better than planned now you're back in your car
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you're driving away you probably start to feel some that you're safe again you can shake off the nervousness but now
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it's time to call Jerry the author of Gone and let him know that that you just you just spoke to Felix and not only
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that but Felix went into this personal information and now Jerry just kind of brushes this off but you realize the
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importance of this because Felix has left the door open for another visit I said I'm going to try to go back and he
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was like you're crazy and I was like yeah I am and nice to meet you you know I mean he was new so he didn't know and
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uh I said I'm going to try to go back and see what he does another day so then I go home and your adrenaline is just
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you know when you're I've never jumped out of an airplane I never would I'd rather sit in a shed with a Ser a serial
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killer than jump out of an airplane I'll be real honest with you but those people
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that jump out of airplanes you know that that do that for the adrenaline rush it's the same type of feeling I can
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imagine and but then when when it comes down you just crash you know I slept it off like literally 10 hours and I never
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sleep that long and when I got up the next day I called Jerry and I was like okay I've got to figure out a plan and
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he said how are you going to go back you you have no reason to go back what are you going to tell them I said I'm going
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to tell them that my pictures were [ __ ] and I need to take better pictures You'
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developed a plan to get back there and talk to Felix again but now speaking with a suspected multiple murderer once
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is is nerve-wracking but to go back there a second time is just crazy you know I didn't I didn't know what I was
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going to be up against so you prepare your body your physical body like you're going to be on surveillance for the
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whole night which you know you load up on protein you stop drinking water you know so you don't have to go to the
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bathroom you know the whole thing and which was a good move on my end because he didn't have a bathroom and um I told
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Jerry it's about you know 2 o'clock in the afternoon or something I said okay I'm going in I'll just leave me be I'll
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talk to you when I'm done I was in there for 6 hours talking to him that second time 6 hours it was crazy
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so now you're in Felix's rundown house it's like a storage shed almost and Felix he's elderly at this point correct
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yeah he was I think 73 72 at the time yeah but on your first visit you didn't go into his home I stepped in about one
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foot because he asked me to come in so he could put on a different shoes and a jacket but I didn't get a good look and
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it's a storage shed it's actually a storage shed that he lives in like a two room storage shed it was wasn't very big
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at all probably the whole thing was probably 500 square fet you know guy sounds like he lives like the captain I
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tell you the bo Factor was on pegged to 10 I mean the guy had serious Bo it was horrible it was gagging but he's
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very he's very neat and clean in a sense his body was not clean but his stuff was
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very well I mean almost to the point of OCD you know very well organized and clean and everything had its own little
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place and compartmentalized it was very interesting so not a home at all this is
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not a house at all this is a storage shed does he have electricity does he have running water no he had water and
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electricity there so you have like this concrete slab where This Old House was there's nothing there anymore it's I
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don't know a half an acre and then right behind it was a storage shed well the storage shed still existed so he
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converted that into a glorified bedroom and there was electricity to the storage
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shed but of course there's no running water so he would just go to the bathroom in the yard that's easy enough
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if you're doing a number one but what about a number two pretty sure he would just dig a hole and take a crap in the
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yard I'm not I'm not kidding um he he was like that you know and so but while I was there in that six hours he offered
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me wine and I'd take it I mean you have to in those situations and I didn't want
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to but I I did and and I thought to myself okay milk this because a you don't want to obviously get you know
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drunk or anything and two you don't want to have to go to the bathroom and at one
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point he said I'm going to step out and go to the bathroom and I said okay and he said do you need to go and I was like
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no I'm good and he said well I can help you with that if you need to and I'm thinking to myself no you can't but
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thanks for the offer you know if I would have had to have gone I still would have
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done it anyway you know your options or pee your pants or go squat in the yard and have a serial killer watch you pee
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whatever I'm going to go squat in the yard well you're nervous on that first visit but during the second visit I mean
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are you scared at all because now you're inside the guy's home I was I don't know
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if I would say terrified but I was I was anxious and nervous and a little scared
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because it the main thing was when you sit in that storage shed at the time there was only one way in and
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one way out and that was that one door and he was in between me and that door and so there are double doors that open
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but they were blocked with boxes and crates and things like that you know you think that's of course it's in my nature
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when I walk into a building I always look at this Escape Route you know how do how am I going to get out of here the
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fastest way possible and so of course that's running through my mind the whole time and then I realized I mean he's
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he's back in the day he could easily kick anybody's ass I'm sure he worked out a lot he he tries to eat healthy and
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he was probably pretty strong however I probably outweigh him by about 75 pounds
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you know I'm a big girl so I thought to myself okay this guy's 73 and yeah he's he still works out and he's still eating
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healthy in the whole thing but I could probably take him enough to get out of the building if I needed to yeah cuz
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this guy could just get extremely violent very quickly I mean you have to watch his mannerism try to pick up on on
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what he's doing on his character what read into him is this guy just some Rampage you know if I said the wrong
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thing he's just going to snap and you know try to kill me right there or what's what's the situation so that's
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always in the back of your mind but then about halfway through that first long meeting that six-h hour meeting um I
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just was pissed off and your demeanor changes a little well what did he do to get you pissed off you know I was aggrav
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ated because he wasn't saying what I wanted him to say he was he just kept going on about this minutia
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and but you're when you're undercover you're in a position to where you can't just be like hey dude shut up and get to
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the point you know you can't do that especially with Felix of all people you cannot do that cuz he'll shut down and
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you're done and that's it and I wanted to leave that door wide open because we didn't know how big our window was going
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what was some characteristics that you were picking up from him I was just like this guy is the most narcissistic
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[ __ ] I've ever met in my entire life and on top of that he's used what he perceives as his Superior mental state
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of everybody as the way he views himself to take the lives of these women and that just it just pissed me off you know
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so my demeanor changed a bit I had to keep it intact but my demeanor changed a bit about halfway through and then from
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then forward it was just like I'm on a mission and this son of a [ __ ] is going
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to talk to me whether he wants to or not you know type of attitude yeah because after all of these years we're talking
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about a guy that was married twice he's intimately involved with another woman we have this situation where the first
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wife is found dead and the other two are just simply missing you know he gave me
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great detail about his relationship with Annette pretty good detail about his relationship with Sharon he never really
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talked about Mary at all um just very very briefly you know in this and all of like 90% of all this information came in
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that 6- hour time time frame that that that meeting but he never would say my lover Annette my wife Annette he never
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would say that he would just say this girl you know the girl I met I mean he gave me detail from how they met all the
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way to just kind of fizzled out and and and even though he's talking about his past relationships he's not telling you
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what you need to know what happened to these women at some point during that conversation I think okay this is my
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this is where I'm going to get my Smoking Gun how do I you know ask him questions without grilling him so to
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speak plus I have to be oblivious to all this information he can't know that I know everything already he's telling me
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the last thing you can say to a man like this is well what happened to her because that projects a a an accusatory
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tone towards him I could say it to you all day long you'd be like well what happened to her was
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XYZ not with him what do you mean what happened to her are you saying I did something to her that's how he would
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react and now you're walking a very fine line because you can't ask him specific
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questions very direct questions without him shutting down you still need information and all he's willing to say
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is that these relationships well they just fizzled out I said well do you ever see her again this was the weirdest this
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is the single most strangest thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life ever is this moment when I said to
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him oh that's sad it sounds like you really you know had a deep love for her do you ever see her anymore and I knew
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damn good and well he didn't CU you know he murdered her there's no doubt in my mind
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but his you know how they talk about oh so and so's eyes just turned black and their demeanor just changed in an
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instant the whole thing and I always thought to myself okay whatever you know I'm I'm very skeptical I don't trust
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anybody and I'm just like whatever whatever I saw that happen in that very moment and that was the only time that I
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was truly for the lack of a better term terrified in his presence cuz he was he was standing up for whatever reason I
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can't remember and I was sitting down so I'm immediately more vulnerable in the physical ratio and I said oh I I thought
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to myself I'm going to provoke him and get him to talk about the end of their relationship because like I said he just
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kind of fizzled oh we just went our separate ways okay what a great love story that is and you know all the
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detail I had to hear Do you ever see her anymore and his he turned to me and mind
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you he's like four feet away from me he turns to me and he steps towards me when
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he turned his eyes were black and he's got blue eyes you seen the pictures he's got blue eyes his eyes
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were black and he took a step towards me and he was just no no I don't see her anymore and he immediately started
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talking about something else and it made me nervous to where I was almost physically shaking I was like oh my God
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this is this is the part where I die all right I don't have time to text I'm going to die and here we
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[Music] that we are talking with Gina frenzel a private investigator in the state of
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Texas who is investigating the suspected serial killer of Felix Vil and Gina who
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do you believe is his suspect Ed victims okay uh in technical terms I think his first victim is Mary Horton Veil which
00:32:06
would be his first wife and basically his story Felix's story is that they were out on the boat and he
00:32:17
had a stump they're Trotline fishing you know at night like at dusk and he hits a
00:32:22
stump and she falls in the water and he Dives down to find her he can't find her
00:32:26
and you know her body's found what three days later but I think what happened based
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off of I base this information off of what what he's told me what other people have
00:32:42
said that you know had firsthand information from Felix and then things that I've seen and read be it in his
00:32:50
journals or you know letters that he had kept and you know just all the pieces of
00:32:55
the puzzle I think what happened was that they went he took her out on the boat made her go out on the boat with
00:33:03
him she didn't she was terrified of water at night and um took her out there strangled her HIIT her in the head I
00:33:13
think he might have hit her in the head first with one of the ores put her into the boat drug her in and put her into
00:33:19
the boat drove out to where he dumped her body which was a couple miles down the river put her in the water
00:33:29
and turn around left and if you look at the pictures of her body coming out um I
00:33:37
mean all of that there's so much that indicates that you know she's got a head a head wound and her there's oil and
00:33:46
stuff on her on on the front part of her body her her panties are actually pulled
00:33:52
out of the back of her pants and that to me it just indicates you know I'm I'm moving somebody across and the docks
00:33:59
that he the Shell Beach um boat docks where he kept his boat so many it was dark there were no there was no
00:34:07
NightLight there or anything like this and I've I've talked to several people that grew up in the area and knew the
00:34:15
docks well and you know if your boat motor was broken or whatever you just set them there on the dock and you'd
00:34:22
work on it and there was oil and all kinds of things you know just on the dock so it and it was clear that has
00:34:27
some kind of oily substance all over her the front of her clothes so also the scarf around her neck um back in the day
00:34:36
of course the ladies wore the scarf and they would wear it over their hair to keep their hair you know from blowing in
00:34:41
the wind but it was shoved three or 4 Ines 4 Ines down into her throat so you don't get that from accidentally
00:34:50
drowning but what would be Felix's motivation for killing his wife she you know they just had had a baby he was
00:34:58
just a few months old and she thought she might have been pregnant again she was not turns out she was not she had uh
00:35:09
female problems that caused some issues that would mimic her being pregnant and Felix is documented telling
00:35:18
someone that he didn't want to have the first kid much less the second kid and you I think his words were I fix that
00:35:25
[ __ ] to where she'll never have another kid you know that kind of thing you had
00:35:28
mentioned to me that that Felix had some mommy issues what did you mean about his
00:35:34
his family and his mommy issues he in in my undercover work with him he claims now keep in mind out of that six hours
00:35:43
of just dredging on about everything you know he's very Transcendental Meditation
00:35:51
type of product of the 60s you know just your stereotypical person like that well so out of that six
00:36:00
hours probably four of it is him talking about all this just crap that just but you have to endure it and during the
00:36:08
course of that he's talking about he claims to have you know he he asked me what the earliest memories I have and
00:36:16
you know I said I don't know three or four years old I can't remember and he claims to have memories of him in the
00:36:21
womb he says that he remembers as a newborn breastfeeding and he talks about he's fascinated with breastfeeding and
00:36:31
even through his journals it's just weird he talks about breastfeeding on his mom and playing with her nipples to
00:36:39
the point of stimulating her sexually and it's just it's just weird but then you have
00:36:47
of course there's there's the all the siblings and he's the second son or the I'm sorry he's the first son and his
00:37:00
brother I can't remember the age difference but he's got his younger brother Ronnie and they're close you
00:37:07
know they stay close but apparently Felix was very very close to his mother in a bizarre way you know just in a
00:37:15
weird way unnatural and of course he touched on that you know with me what I just explained to you but then
00:37:23
throughout his adult life you you know it was I I got the impression that his mother was oh Felix can do no wrong you
00:37:32
know Felix is he will he is the perfect child he is whatever he does wrong Mommy's going to cover up for him too or
00:37:43
turn a blind eye so to speak now I'm not saying that he she knew that he did something
00:37:50
and she hid the truth I that I don't think that was the case I think what it was is she probably thought okay he's
00:37:56
done done something poorly and or you know he's done something dece deceiving and so we're just going to act
00:38:05
like it didn't happen and we're not going to bring it up and we're not going to talk about it of course you have to
00:38:09
attribute some of that to the generation too but all these years of course we didn't learn this until like a year
00:38:16
later but all these years he has all these journals and the man writes down every freaking thing he's done
00:38:23
everything I'm not kidding you he writes down everything but the journal start January 1st of 1985 you know andette
00:38:30
disappeared in 1984 so where are the rest of the journals well then later we learned that he kept them in the Attic
00:38:37
of his mom's house well you can't tell me his mom didn't obviously she knew he kept
00:38:42
things up there and there was probably a pretty strong chance that she might have
00:38:48
read a journal or two throughout the years who knows but he he led such a nomadic lifestyle that his prize
00:38:57
possessions that he didn't have with him always stayed at his parents' house what
00:39:02
do you know and think about his second victim was was she a wife or a girlfriend Sharon was his second victim
00:39:10
and she Sharon Hensley and she was a girlfriend she's a longtime term girlfriend but according to Felix she
00:39:18
took off in a boat failed away with a couple at one point in a letter he wrote to her mom
00:39:26
mom she took off with John and Vanessa and then at another point he wrote in something else
00:39:34
to somebody else that he took off with uh another another name you know a couple but he took off with another name
00:39:43
and nothing is consistent except the fact that she was in a boat and she took off with this couple he claimed that
00:39:50
they both did pornography films I don't know that he obviously could have performed in that kind of setting
00:39:58
however I think she probably did she was a stripper and I think that evolved into
00:40:04
maybe one or two uh pornography films and I think what happened was sometime at some point in
00:40:13
1973 they go to the Florida and to do pornography I mean he told me that's what they did they went over there to do
00:40:21
that and I think there was a different man I think Vanessa is actually Sharon when he refers to Vanessa in these
00:40:27
letters I think Vanessa is actually Sharon and this guy John I think is probably somebody that she either was in
00:40:37
the pornography industry with or met somewhere along the way and in relation to that and I think his jealousy took
00:40:46
over because Mary obviously he offed her because he didn't he didn't want the kid
00:40:52
responsibility and there was a life insurance policy that he was was able to collect on partially collect on with
00:40:59
Sharon there was no fiary gain for her her to be dead and Felix is very possessive and
00:41:07
very jealous and very controlling I think what happened was John whoever this John guy is and Vanessa being
00:41:15
Sharon started an intimate relationship and it was probably okay at the beginning but then he gets insanely
00:41:22
jealous and you're not going to be if you're not going to be with me then you're not going to be with anybody I
00:41:29
think he rented a boat I think he drove off the coast of the keys and killed them both dumped them in the ocean and
00:41:36
came back that's what I think honestly happened to her um her body will never ever ever be found I think she and I
00:41:44
think there is potentially a male victim associated with her so Felix's first wife is found
00:41:51
dead he claims she drowned in the river and but her body's found 3 days later and it's obvious that it's s suspicious
00:42:00
circumstances then he has this other relationship with a girlfriend and the mother is looking for the girlfriend
00:42:07
because she disappears he claims that she took off with another couple they left out in the middle of the ocean but
00:42:15
Felix doesn't stop with the relationships there does he he he he has another suspected victim yes his third
00:42:23
victim was a wife a nette cerville she was 15 when they met and they they dated and traveled
00:42:35
around they met at a garage sell in Houston Texas of all places they date for a while he convinces Mary to sign
00:42:43
off paperwork so she can marry him claiming that we're driving we're traveling around and I and and I think
00:42:51
Annette even said in a letter to her mom at one stage you know if we have to get
00:42:57
married because he's traveling with a minor and we love each other just let us get married and and Mary anette's mother
00:43:04
says at that point she said you know if I don't allow her to get married then I'm probably never going to
00:43:11
see her again it was it it got to one of those situations so she said okay y'all
00:43:16
get married they get married F Felix is a pedophile plain and simple I have zero
00:43:23
doubt based off of all the information that I have gathered during the course of my investigation Felix is a pedophile
00:43:29
so that partially to me in my mind explains why he would be attracted to a 15-year-old girl anyway she was not you
00:43:38
know today you look at 15-year-old girls and you're like what are they what are they putting in their milk you know
00:43:43
they're developed and they're like got the ass and the boobs and you're you're thinking you're not 15 Anette was not
00:43:50
like that she was very thin frame she did not have big breast you know um almost a boyish type of
00:44:01
figure and I think Felix preferred little boys over little girls in his pedophilia well so to me
00:44:11
and my mind that explains partially explains the attraction to Annette but from the very beginning he knew about
00:44:21
Annette getting an inheritance when she was 18 um her father was killed in a car
00:44:28
crash in Mexico and she was his only child and her mom and dad were divorced but he had a life insurance policy that
00:44:37
paid to a net that she would get when she was 18 and again Felix Felix never really held
00:44:48
down a job hardly ever so with the First with his first wife we see the motive of
00:44:54
not wanting to have the child but there's also the financial gain of the insurance policy collecting a portion of
00:45:00
that we later learned that that money that he received he used zero doar of that to pay for his own wife's funeral
00:45:09
he didn't pay for her funeral at all now we have the situation where he puts himself in a relationship with a young
00:45:15
girl that he believes is going to receive money when she turns 18 and so he can he can foresee the financial gain
00:45:23
here Anette all always finan gain he knew from the very beginning she was going to get this money
00:45:30
and then he just planned his course you know he never gave up they they met each
00:45:35
other they separated you know she was in Oklahoma he goes back he goes to Oklahoma to find her her mom says no
00:45:43
she's not there he tracked her down she was over in Bernie of all places which is between here and Kenya Lake between
00:45:50
where I am and Kenyan Lake the little community and she was at this private school there he tracks her down he was
00:45:57
after her her money the entire time and when she disappeared I think there was about4 or
00:46:07
$50,000 that was unaccounted for and there's no doubt it ended up in his pocket so they get married they travel
00:46:16
around and when she turns I mean it's just like clockwork when she turns 18 they convince her mom her mom had
00:46:25
bought this house with a back apartment a garage apartment so that they could fix it up and have
00:46:32
income a residual income while they were living off in Oklahoma well he convinces Annette to convince
00:46:39
her mom to sign the house completely over to Annette and her mom did her mom Mary said that it it was all but a
00:46:49
threat it was basically turn it over or else type of thing and she was very intimidated
00:46:56
by the whole situation and it all was coming from Felix so she does she signs it over to Annette because it the money
00:47:03
if I understand right the the money some of the money used to buy the house was from anette's inheritance from her dad's
00:47:11
life insurance policy and so that was the idea was Mary said look you know she's young she's she's very
00:47:20
artistic uh you know the whole starving artist mentality I want to set her up in
00:47:25
a situ situation to where she can have some residual income and still be free to explore her artistic side and not
00:47:33
have to worry about you know Financial issues so it was a smart move in the onset so she she signs it over to
00:47:42
Annette and then just within two or three months later Annette signs it over completely 100% to Felix and then two
00:47:50
months later Anette disappears so yeah I mean come on yeah where is she what is his
00:47:58
explanation for where she's gone what does what is his story and his story is so inconsistent like completely
00:48:05
inconsistent with her he said that she took off on a Grayhound bus in St Louis her off there so she could go pursue
00:48:16
this boyfriend in Mexico and then then another story was that he put they were in St Louis camping they were on this
00:48:25
you know road trip camping and uh she met two people at the bus station and she decided she just wanted to take off
00:48:32
with them she didn't want to be married to him anymore and he's like fine here you go here's your here's your money and
00:48:38
your your stuff you hit the road um he claims that she signed the house over to him as a love offering what was his
00:48:46
words for being um a father figure and a lover and a teacher you know just very everything was very much I'm so great
00:48:55
she loved me so much because I'm so awesome she gave me this house you know that kind of
00:49:01
mentality and then he was I so those are his stories on her that she she just took off and and they made the agreement
00:49:10
and that was one of the things he told me but he said it numerous times over the years that they agreed to see where
00:49:16
each other were 10 years later and meet up and say hey and have a cup of coffee type of deal well that's what prompted
00:49:24
me in in my meetings with him was to say oh have yall seen each other you know and that's when he you of course turned
00:49:30
black what do you think the real story is in reality the day or the week that he said she took off on the
00:49:38
bus and that was the last time anybody saw her two weeks later approximately two weeks later they they being Felix
00:49:47
and Annette were down in Louisiana in Sulfur Louisiana or Lake Charles area at the county fair with his family and they
00:49:55
testified to that and so of course that story doesn't hold water then what happened oh I don't know I just have my
00:50:02
dates wrong well what happened was they go down there to stay with his family and they go down there to stay with his
00:50:09
family and go to this County Fair and the whole thing and then they say hey we're going to take off and go camping
00:50:16
for a day or two and he's they're gone for three days and he comes back by himself and his niece I think it's his
00:50:27
niece one of the family members said that he was acting weird and he was eating meat and Felix was not a big meat
00:50:35
eater now not to say he was 100% I never eat meat no he would eat meat but he wasn't like you know give me a steak
00:50:43
every day I'm a happy girl that's not how he was he would selectively eat meat very very few times
00:50:51
in his life okay they said that he came back and he was acting strange and he was eating meat and just just bizarre
00:50:58
just bizarre I think what happened was yeah they went camping I think you know she
00:51:03
was already 18 it was time for him to move on he was tired of her he tired of her and he killed her and as morbid as a
00:51:12
sound my gut tells me I can't explain it I have no proof of this whatsoever my gut tells me he chopped her up he threw
00:51:19
her in a bayou somewhere where he knew there were alligators he knew the area very well he lived there when he was
00:51:24
married to Mary his first wife and her body will never be found again I think that's what happened to Mar I mean
00:51:31
Annette I think that's what happened to Anette so what happens when he comes back he comes back and a few weeks
00:51:39
later anette's mother Mary Hey where's Annette where's Annette where's Annette and he's oh she he
00:51:47
starts spinning off the story that she took off on the bus and that's when she immediately missing person and Report
00:51:55
according to the police and what he's saying is not right Mary never Mary craer never never once
00:52:04
thought her daughter took off from the very beginning like within weeks of her disappearance he she always said Felix
00:52:12
killed her and disposed of her and I know he did and he's lying about it and she's always been just diligent about
00:52:20
you know never giving up and and of course that's what brought it took 50 years but it got us to this stage now
00:52:29
but there were some signs you know there were some red flags that went up things
00:52:32
that her mother had seen regarding the turmoil in their relationship Annette during the time they were
00:52:40
married Felix choked her and beat her up and she left him and she comes back to live with her mom and she had gotten
00:52:49
pregnant and he made her have an abortion he didn't want kids and then she he he he beat her up chokes her you
00:52:58
know not choked her out obviously they they had a fight she comes back and stays with her mom in Oklahoma and then
00:53:05
he comes up there to come get her and she reluctantly goes back with him uh I think her term was Felix was the
00:53:11
smartest man I've ever known and you know it's the Love of All loves you know that kind of thing so that being said um
00:53:19
there was there was um the domestic violence in that relationship and after the fact it wasn't until probably a year
00:53:27
maybe two years later later after his arrest after Felix's arrest that we found women in fact right up until the trial
00:53:38
we were getting tips and we talked to all these people we found several women that that same thing he beat me up he
00:53:45
slapped me one woman said she he was choking her in the shower and her brother came in and saved her you know
00:53:53
um and this was all from from The Disappearance of no it was right it it went anywhere
00:54:01
from 1968 all the way up to like 1980 you know in that time frame and a lot of it in California but but the the
00:54:10
interesting thing about it is f forward to the house in Oklahoma that he has owned up until 2013 literally has owned
00:54:20
all these years and used it as a rental and there's this nice couple living there a young
00:54:26
couple and all of a sudden there's this room up in the attic and it's always locked padlocked and it's Felix's room
00:54:36
I'm the landlord that's where I keep my tools and whatever just don't mess with my stuff but this couple um had a free
00:54:43
range of everything else well they decide they're going to buy the house from him and this is interesting enough
00:54:50
this is all taking place it's all coming out at the same time I'm undercover with
00:54:55
with him before he gets arrested it's all happening at the same time and of course I was unaware of it at the time
00:54:59
but when you look back at the Timeline you see it so Felix wants to owner finan this house for this couple but what's in
00:55:06
the room what's in the secret Felix room and he said hey I'm going to come up and
00:55:10
I'm going to clean out that room and then you know I'll unlock it and the house is yours so all the paperwork's
00:55:16
done everything's done he goes up he gets his stuff he leaves and a few weeks later the new owners of this house say
00:55:24
hey we're going to go up in that room and clean out cuz he left some stuff behind back in an old suitcase
00:55:31
like from the 70s I mean it's old old softsided suitcase shoved up inside the suitcase
00:55:38
is a is a bag and inside that bag is a net uh clothing it's her belongings and it's all shoved in the suitcase and all
00:55:45
shoved way back up in like tucked in the corner of the eve of the house and they
00:55:50
find it and they immediately call the police on it and for the police to come and get it well at this
00:55:59
point I I can't remember if he'd been arrested yet or not but they had heard the story about him and they're like
00:56:05
whoa this is weird then when they see this a immediate red flag and the police come and get it well what is in this bag
00:56:13
I'll tell you it's it's a weekend bag first and foremost the most red flag of the whole bag is her birth control her
00:56:22
birth control is in the bag okay I don't don't care who you are if you're taking
00:56:26
off if you're whatever stage of life you're in as a woman if you were on birth control because you're not going
00:56:33
to have a kid and you're taking off you might leave your shoes behind you're taking your birth control I'm going to
00:56:38
tell you that right now so her birth controls in there and there were three different forms of birth control okay
00:56:45
there was a pill a sponge and a spermicide this girl was serious about not getting pregnant and from what I
00:56:53
understand the abortion rightfully so was probably one of the most horrible experiences you know at that stage in
00:56:59
her life so she didn't want to go through that again and she knew Felix didn't want kids so she wasn't going to
00:57:04
take the chance of getting pregnant so it's birth control a swimming suit a change of clothing and like a hat a pair
00:57:13
of sandals I think I'm not sure some undergarments but if I look at it as a female and I'm looking at that bag I say
00:57:20
that is a weekend bag so my assumption on that is that that was the bag that she had
00:57:28
while they were down in Louisiana during the last time she was seen and he gets back home after he
00:57:38
kills her gets rid of her body goes back to his family's home stays there a night
00:57:42
or two then goes back home to Oklahoma cleaning out the car and he's like oh [ __ ] I got her bag I'm going to
00:57:49
shove it up here in the corner and I'll take care of it later and he never did and he to literally he totally forgot
00:57:56
about it because when he went up there he kept it padlocked this all these years so when 30 years 40 years when he
00:58:03
goes up there to get his stuff for the final time to turn the house completely over to the new owners he forgets about
00:58:10
that back and they find [Music] it all right did you guys miss me did you miss me I'm still here I'm still
00:58:25
here lot of information there Captain lot of stuff covered regarding this Felix character and his past
00:58:33
relationships and and talk about a creep factor I mean to be stuck in a shack with this guy that you believe has
00:58:39
killed multiple women and he's he's the thing between you and Freedom the door mhm and she feels Gina feels like he
00:58:49
wants some kind of friendship or relationship with her and that's why he's allowed her in his home allowed her
00:58:57
himself to open up and speak with her and talk with her about his past M and yet she she would fall right into his
00:59:06
victimology at that sense and if he were to slip or say the wrong thing or if she
00:59:11
were to act out of turn and ask the wrong question right well it could be lights out for Gina yeah like you said
00:59:17
either or I mean he could say something that he didn't want to say and now uh she has to die because of that M all
00:59:23
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