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[Music] crime [Music] [Music] pleas yeah hi my son is missing he's three and a half okay um sorry your
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address C room Drive Kendall okay Ben room Drive in Kendall yes all right I'm just going to bring that up on my map I
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wa be a moment thank you how long has he been missing I well I think well we've been looking him for
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him now for about 15 or 20 minutes but okay I thought it could be five it could be longer because he was just playing
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around here we heard him and then we heard nothing okay so what the nearest cross street say endale pris is that
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right so what is it Ellendale pris I don't know my this is my mom's house um hang on there's another lady out helping
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us look for him I'll see if I can find her but it's benoon b n a r yeah I can see I can see where you are I'm just
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want yeah so it it's benoon Drive in Kendall and I just got I've got your nearest pro street as being Ellendale
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presentes it could be I don't know okay so he's been missing since about 10:30 yeah I'd say so okay can you describe
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him to me how tall obviously not very tall he he'd be about two and a half F he's wearing a Spider-Man
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outfit yeah what kindor hair has he got he's got um dark Sandy colored hair it's
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short and he's got really big brownie green colored eyes okay what see you get any shoes on do
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you know any any other distinguishing um um he has oh he's got a freckle on the top of his head when
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you C the hair on the left hand side yeah you'll see a freckle on the top of his head okay all
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right do you know where he might have gone um where we actually live well my property near estate Forest okay and
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there're on huge blocks we've walked up and down benun drive and we can't find him okay what's his name
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William what's William's surname uh TR t y r e l okay has he been known to sort of go anywhere no this is the first
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time character there wasn't anyone um suspicious in the area any Vehicles no no no no we're not don't know not that
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I'm aware of we're just I was out there talking with mom and my other daughter so okay and we heard him roaring around
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the garden and then I thought I I haven't heard him I better go check on him and okay find him we'll send police
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to see you in a room driving Kendall also get that um a message broadcaster to all the Cs keep a look out for him as
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well okay thanks thanks bye bye bye [Music] [Music] today's case takes us in the flying
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garage ship to a foreign land land an unfamiliar territory and we will do our very best to try to fit in while we are
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here this is a horrific story of a little boy who was reported missing in a very very odd story at that I actually
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thought of that documentary out there called Missing 411 when first reading about this case that's a documentary
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about a couple of different stories of children who have gone missing and seemingly just Vanishing Into Thin Air
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so this is one of those types of cases this week's case takes place in Australia and at the center of this case
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is William Terrell born June 26 20111 now William disappeared when he was just 3 years old William Terell was
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still a baby when he arrived at the home of his new foster parents reports out there suggest that this was to be a
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permanent Arrangement the baby boy had been removed from his biological parents both of whom had encountered problems
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with police his biological father had spent most of William's short life incarcerated William did have supervised
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visits with his biological parents after being placed in foster care however these visits were infrequent and William
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identified his foster family as his parents and was known to publicly use their surname
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so one tricky thing here in this case Captain is that the the name of the foster parents has not been disclosed to
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the public so just to be clear William's last name as reported on TV and in the papers is T this is the surname of his
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biological mother and not that of his foster parents also before we move on too far we should mention that while
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Williams biological parents had run-ins with the law there is no indication that
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they were ever violent to the little boy Carly Tio is Williams biological mother
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and the father uh is her estranged partner Brandon Collins who is also known as bonesy he has been described as a career
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Criminal by the media but a relative said I wouldn't say he's made much of a career out of it now don't quote me on
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this well the thing is so he's not only is he a criminal but he's a loser criminal I I think you know I to be
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completely honest I don't know 100% of the details of this man's run-ins with the police and and you know being behind
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bars he has been in jail multiple times when the media States career criminal I think of somebody that's that's a
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criminal to to survive to kind of make money and to um you know get things and and and get by in life it appears to me
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from what I've been able to dig up that most of his run-ins with the law stem from alcohol and drug problems that he
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has which right you know that nobody makes a career out of being an alcoholic and a drug addict some people do well
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they don't make any money at it at it was what I'm getting at and unless maybe he was a dealer but I couldn't find
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anything to suggest that it appears to me that he's quite the drug addict and he's got some that he's a pretty violent
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individual at times um and it appears that there had been several uh domes violence charges on this guy as well so
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for some reason they take this boy away from his parents and give him to a foster family the boy goes missing but
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we're not allowed to know anything about the foster parents is there a reason why
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we're not allowed to know anything well I don't fully understand this and I think it has something to do with
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Australian law or um law of that area so these these foster parents have when William went missing they have more than
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one foster kid in their care MH and I I believe that the reason why they cannot disclose their name is has something to
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do with that foster care situation that either they're protected by certain laws
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or that because they're trying to gain full custody of this other child that they have in their care right um that
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their name cannot be disclosed for that purpose and this is the way that the way that I
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view this it seems a little weird because at the early get-go of this case a lot of people were very suspicious of
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the foster parents because their name wasn't revealed right the way that I understand it is the courts will not
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them will not allow them to reveal their name I could have that wrong but there are several things to suggest that
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judges have prevented that from happening in the media basically what you're assuming I guess is that that the
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foster parents they would be fine with using their names and their identity but the courts are stopping them from doing
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so that is my best guess um and to further convolute this whole situation I believe that the other child that is
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still in their care right is very likely William's older sister so um there are several reports
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out there that state that William was about 8 to9 months old when he went out of the home and into foster care there
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is one report out there that states that William was 11 months old uh this might
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be the most accurate I don't know I only say that because this article is comprised of several things but the
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primary factor of that article is an interview with Williams biological grandmother so that would be Williams
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biological father's it would be his mother uh in that article now I had to do some reading between the lines here
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because all articles on this are very vague so keep in mind I am stating what I believe to be the case I could be
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wrong but it sounds like the parents had some kind of not only drug issues but domestic violence charges against each
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other um possibly against one another and uh maybe they had been forbidden to be in each other's company all right so
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they get hopped up on drugs and they like to hit each other or yeah or yeah there's some kind of squabble or
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fight that that has occurred on more than one occasion now the other thing though the reason why I think that
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there's a bit of a gap between the time that William goes into foster care is that we have the grandmother the
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biological grandmother that states that they were told they were going to lose William and it sounds to me like they
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had already lost their daughter at this time I'm unclear if the daughter belongs
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to both of of these parents parents right but what has happened here is the grandmother has stated that the the kids
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and when I say kids I mean these two young uh people that have had these children they kind of went on the run
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with their son William they they took off and tried to avoid the law and tried to avoid losing their son when they were
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spotted somewhere they were they were arrested and the child was then taken from them so that's why I think that
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there is a bit of a disc reany of when they lost their child my guess is that they were supposed to lose William at
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the 8 or Emon Mark they went on the Run they were on the run for six weeks or so
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and the law caught up to them yeah so whenever they took custody of William William is going to go to a wealthy
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family from Sydney's Northshore yeah and he was being raised by this family at the time of his
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disappearance the Foster family they were even in the process of renovating their house to create their forever
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family home to include William in a new room for William uh the foster parents have regularly spoken out in media
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interviews but I I guess I should I'm going to kind of Backtrack on something I said already um there are reports out
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there that state that they cannot that their identity cannot be disclosed there are also reports out there that state
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that they have requested that they not be identified so just to be clear that there there are arguments on both sides
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of that fence so now that we have a little bit of background Captain let's get into the details of Williams
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disappearance and some of the events leading up to and some of the events of that day now real quick a description of
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William uh this Source says quote the nsw that's the New South Wales police they believe that William was abducted
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and they strongly believe that he may still be alive so I want everybody to pay close attention to this so so the
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source is a website that maybe uh could use an update uh but regardless there is
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a website out there called wees will.org and on that website you can donate there
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you can get involved um well maybe you could donate some of your computer skills and update some of their
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information update the website for um but to include a description of William we pulled this straight from the Wares
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will.org website so describing what William looks like William is a Caucasian appearance William was above
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average height for his age not overly tall but taller than most boys his age when he disappeared the site also says
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that William walks with a Swagger he has hazel eyes brown straight hair which grows very quickly his hair is thicker
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on the top of his head and finer towards the base of his head near his neck William has one rather large dark
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Freckle on the left hand side that is near the top of his head about 5 cm back from his hairline he also has asthma
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which is worse in the cold months so let's get to The Disappearance on Thursday September 11 11th
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2014 William Tio is just 3 years old he has picked up along with his sister from
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daycare I've read a few accounts of this day that state it was a surprise that the children were taken out of school as
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part of a very impromptu out of town trip most sources do not say that that or at least do not go into detail of him
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being picked up MH so from my understanding Captain the plan was to go out of town that weekend for a weekend
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trip to Nana's house to the the Foster grandmother's home right the plan was to travel on Friday for some reason the
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foster parents they got done with work early and they decided to surprise not only the children who loved going to
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Nana's house but also surprise nana I guess she had been I don't know if it was a chronic illness or she had been
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sick or there had been something going on in her life where the foster parents wanted to cheer her up by bringing the
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children to her sooner so it was a bit of a surprise take the kids out of daycare on Thursday let's go ahead and
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make the 4-Hour trip to Nana's house on that Thursday instead of Friday right this is the Foster mom's mom so they
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traveled about 4 hours from Sydney to visit Williams foster grandmother in a place called Kendall now this sounds
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like maybe a long weekend trip like I had said so they're going to go out to Kendall this is in New South Wales which
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I've never heard of Kendall but checking it out this this looks like a very cool
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place um the grandmother's house is on benaroon drive so there are a couple of streets there with some houses
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it's a little neighborhood kind of tucked away this is a wooded area right by the Kendall Forest which is a large
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uh when you Google Map the street there you you will see that the forest practically surrounds the grandmother's
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neighborhood is it like a park or is it just natural it could be some kind of natur national forest um but it is a
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heavily wooded area and like I said this is a small neighborhood that is surrounded by forc now according to the
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2011 census the population of Kendall is just 833 people and at the time of The Disappearance or
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abduction uh it was reported that this town had less than 1500 people in it so Kendall is a a small Country Town yeah
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so the street on which she lives at the time of The Disappearance is benero drive now to get to benero drive
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regardless of what direction you are traveling from you have to take Batar Creek Road and Batar Creek Road is sort
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of a long sprawling country road so there is only one way in and out of this little neighborhood benoon drive has a
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few more than a dozen houses located on benoon and there's a short street that comes off of benoon the name of that
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street is Ellendale Crescent which only has probably less than 10 houses on it okay but this this could be important
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this case so that's why I point out all these things and we will see why but the
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important thing to picture here is both benoon drive and the attached Street of Ellendale are both deadend streets and
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you can only get into this little neighborhood when traveling the roads when traveling the roads from that
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Country Road Batar Creek right so the family of four they stay the night at Grandmom's house yeah so we have five
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people in the house correct the next morning this is the day that the little boy goes missing so we want to go
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through a detailed timeline right this is GNA be Friday yes so the day starts off like this sometime before 9:00 a.m.
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just before breakfast MH uh the Foster mother opens a sliding glass door to the balcony to Bird Watch she will later say
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that it is at this time when she notices two cars parked down the road at 9:00 a.m. William and his sister are riding
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their bikes a car drives past the children this vehicle according to police is described as a dark green or grayish
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color sedan mhm this car drove past 48 benero Drive that's where they were staying as William was riding his bike
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on the driveway the car drove into the quiet culdesac did a uturn in a neighbor's driveway and then drove out
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of the street around this same time the there is a woman named Mrs Wilson she tells
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police that she heard two children playing in a neighboring yard before she left to run errands in the township she
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is leaving to go shopping she hears two kids playing next door she does not see any kids or any parked
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cars at 9:15 a.m. the Foster father takes off to make what is reported as either a phone call or a Skype
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conference call and he has to do this due to poor internet remember we said this is kind
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of a country area he's going to have to drive into town to make this phone call or this Skype call the town that he he
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says he went to is about 11 minutes away by car later police confirmed that he was where he said he was right at 9:45
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a.m. the Foster mother takes a photo of William sitting on the deck the time and
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date are conf confirmed later by police now this says become a famous photo photo he's um wearing a Spider-Man
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outfit yeah and this is incredibly like a very weird coincidence I think here because you know often with these
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children when they go missing one of the first things that police and detectives
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are going to try to to get from the parents is going to be give us your most recent photograph of your child give us
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your most updated photograph of this little boy or little girl yeah and here we have a situation where maybe just
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minutes before the kid goes missing the mother the stepmother sorry I'm going to
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Foster mother right she takes three pictures of William at that time at 9:45 a.m. and one like you said Captain is
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the now famous photo of William tiell where he you can see him playing on the deck he's wearing a Spider-Man outfit
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you know shirt and pants yeah it's probably like Spider-Man PJs yeah and you can it's it's it's just very strange
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it's a very weird coincidence I don't think it's that strange now I mean I think you're going to see that more and
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more I mean there's there's always people that go missing and now with technology you're going to have snap you
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know we've seen it with other cases where somebody snapchated themselves or somebody else snapchated somebody or
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posted something on Instagram or Facebook and then they go missing you know just a little bit later I think
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you're spot on because I I got to believe we are because of phones and technology we are all taking more
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pictures now more than ever so William and his sister are playing outside they are running around hiding and laughing
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you know they are just little kids so probably screaming and yelling as they are having fun they are playing games
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that from about 10:00 a.m. to about 10:25 a.m. so the home has a large deck on the back of the house it's like a
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like a balcony deck now it sounds like maybe the last game or activity that the kids were playing would be kind of like
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hide and seek little William was running around to the back of the house and hiding under the deck area from his
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sister at approximately 1015 a.m. this is the last time that the Foster mother says that she physically saw William
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okay one of the investigators words are quote our starting point is approximately a 5minute window when
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young William walked around the side of the house into the backyard and disappeared from sight while his mother
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and grandmother went inside for a cup of tea now moving on at 10:30 a.m. the Foster mother notices that she does not
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see William nor does she hear him anymore remember we said that they were screaming yelling roaring laughing yeah
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I think she made claims that he was he constantly was doing this like Roar like he was a lion or a tiger this is when
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she decides to go looking for him and the grandmother at this time does not know where William is either then the
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neighbor this is anarie sharpley she spots the mother and the grandmother searching for the boy so she decides to
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join the search at around 10:36 is let's say another neighbor reported that his wife had left the
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house around this time and he stated that his wife didn't see anything unusual at this time at 10:50 a.m. the
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foster dad arrives home and in all honesty this is a bit of a guess here but I'll show you how I got to this 1050
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Mark so nothing complicated here but there are two things that point that this is a pretty accurate time one the
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foster mom says that the boy was missing for about 15 to 20 minutes before her husband had returned to the home and two
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the husband says that he had returned approximately 5 minutes before they called emergency services and we know
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that that call came in at 1056 a.m. so at 10:56 a.m. the Foster mother phones trip 0 emergency services with the
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neighbor and Marie Shipley when the Foster mother is asked how long had he been missing she answers we have been
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers mates cheers Captain so where we left off we
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had the Emergency Services called the triple zero emergency service is called we have a little boy William T who is 3
00:31:01
years old and he is missing yeah which is their triple Zer is the same as our 911 the call goes in at 10:56 a.m. the
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police arrive on scene at at 1106 a.m. and that's I actually find that to be a rather quick response uh given the area
00:31:22
given the the the size of the area um and we've heard the 91 one call it's not a short call so the call comes in at
00:31:30
10:56 10 minutes later police are on the scene um several officers state that when they arrived the Father the Foster
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father was inside the home and was visibly upset to the officers now at 11:12 a.m. the
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K9 unit or the dog unit is dispatched to the home to help in the search at 11:44
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a.m. State Emergency Services are informed of the situation so what are State emergency
00:32:03
services this is more like we're going to bring in firefighters um other people that are
00:32:09
trained in search and rescue we're going to start bringing in a large group of people to look for this little boy at
00:32:17
12:52 p.m. the police helicopter takes to the sky and I'm guessing that this helicopter was not part of Kendall's you
00:32:26
know I don't know that Kendall would have a helicopter maybe they did maybe they
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borrowed it from a neighboring jurisdiction right at one p.m. just a little more than 2 and 1 half hours
00:32:38
after 3-year-old William Terell was last seen by his foster mother 100 people had
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joined in and were desperately searching for the little boy so as far as the early investigation and the search for
00:32:52
the little boy goes hundreds of police members of the the state Emergency Services rural fire service and members
00:33:02
of the community searched day and night for William specialist police including the sex crime
00:33:10
Squad they formed a task force uh it was practically immediately formed as the day went on they formed this task force
00:33:19
motorcycles and helicopters were brought in to join in the search 200 volunteers
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searched overnight hundreds of people combed rugged terrain around the home and police divers searched waterways and
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dams the police searched every house in the in the area that had surrounds benero Drive several times the police
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detection dogs were brought in and they managed to detect Williams scent but only within the boundaries of the
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backyard so let's go into that in a little more detail shall we so let's start with the houses being searched
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yeah so police searched each of the 21 houses that surrounds benaroon Drive the street where William's grandmother lives
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they searched the houses not once not twice but three and four times thri yes each time using different Personnel to
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make sure that fresh a fresh set of eyes looked at every possible angle every possible clue seems like all the
00:34:27
neighbors were willing to help and hey you want to search my house come on in yeah there was no Kickback multiple
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searches roof spaces subfloor spaces wall cavities cupboards sheds all were searched and searched again with
00:34:41
methodical determination just in case someone was keeping the little boy hidden even the grandmother's house was
00:34:48
searched top to bottom but there was nothing so if he was abducted if William was abducted he was not being held in
00:34:55
the neighborhood from which he was taken mhm so they didn't find a scrap of clothing they didn't find a footprint in
00:35:02
the dirt they didn't find tire marks now on to the police dogs as we said they were brought in and they managed to find
00:35:09
William sent but only within the boundaries of the backyard okay well this is not good
00:35:17
right um and I'll tell you why we we talked about this when we covered Mara Murray uh with the with the dogs
00:35:25
tracking the scent scent dogs yeah so it appears that Williams Foster grandmother's home is kind of on a
00:35:33
corner this make this making portions of both the front and back of the house visible from the streets mhm now the
00:35:42
yard has quite a few trees these are the whole neighborhood is is well manicured
00:35:48
Lawns and Landscapes but it's very possible that someone could have pulled up right to the yard call the boy over
00:35:56
over and either snatch him up there or trick him into their vehicle the troubling thing here is this would leave
00:36:05
the evidence that they found at the scene where they find they're able to track the boy on his grandmother's
00:36:12
property but nowhere else making so do they have like a scent that you know cuz he was playing on the porch or the or
00:36:20
the deck whatever you want to call it it sounds to me like he was you're that he
00:36:23
was playing up close to the home right because if if you look at the way that the home the layout of it there appears
00:36:30
to be like a deck or a sitting area that is kind of the best way to describe it is on the side of the home that does not
00:36:38
face the street so the front of the house the other side of the house and the back of the house are all pretty
00:36:45
visible from these two streets which is all benaroon drive but it kind of like dead ends and then veers off to the
00:36:52
right into another dead end yeah and he's running around this backyard so you're going to have some sent of them
00:36:57
there but do we have like a path from that deck or from the house to a road inconclusive okay all reports state that
00:37:06
the uh they were able to track his scent but only found the scent in the within the boundaries of the grandmother's
00:37:14
property right so we don't know where it stopped or right right and that's what I
00:37:19
mean I my I'm curious could somebody have pulled up right to the property line and coaxed the little boy into
00:37:26
their vehicle or just jumped out and grabbed him real quick right yeah and if if you pick him up in the
00:37:31
air you would assume that the scent would they would lose the set yeah and and from our experience Captain you know
00:37:39
this unfortunately most of the time when we see a situation like that if that is
00:37:43
in fact the case we don't know that because they've not been very detailed in their their report of this but if in
00:37:50
fact that we have a trail and then all of a sudden there is no more scent anymore uhhuh we've found that most of
00:37:57
the time that means that they were picked up or they got into a vehicle yeah so one minute we have William
00:38:03
running in the yard based off the scent dogs and then one minute he's gone and another Curious Thing here is that he's
00:38:13
supposedly playing with his older sister yeah but so is she just on the opposite
00:38:19
side of the house cuz I I couldn't find a statement from her anywhere yeah this is very troubling to me now when we say
00:38:26
older sister I we don't have a whole lot of detail of how old she is but when when I hear that they're taken out of
00:38:33
daycare to go I think she's like 32 I'm assuming she's probably you know like five maybe four or five right so
00:38:42
slightly older than William but yeah like you said we don't have any witness statement from her saying hey I saw this
00:38:50
happen or this person this weird person entered the yard um now I do want to point point out here this area this
00:38:58
Kendall area having never been there I'm going to make some guesses some inferences here it does not look like a
00:39:05
cheap place to live okay these are very nice homes this this neighborhood from the houses that I could see all appear
00:39:13
to be very nice homes wellmaintained and the lots are very big the yards are very
00:39:20
big now there are like I said in in the grandmother's yard as well as other yards surrounding it there are a lot of
00:39:28
trees and Landscaping and things like that going on so could he have been grabbed and there was an obstacle
00:39:36
between his sister and him of pine trees or something of that nature where she couldn't see what was going on or maybe
00:39:43
maybe whatever game they were playing just kind of fizzled out and she was doing her own thing and not really
00:39:48
paying attention to her little brother the other thing though too captain at no point do either the mother the
00:39:55
grandmother or or any of the neighbors say that they heard a vehicle speeding off or Tire squealing in a rush to get
00:40:03
out of the area you know grabbing the kid and then boom you know hitting the road how did that go again that was not
00:40:10
a very good I've been had have a bit of a head cold here yeah so you're bad at sound effects now um but well but why
00:40:20
look if you're going to commit a crime or you're going to abduct somebody the wouldn't the best way to do that
00:40:30
always to be even Keel and just like you know like you grab the kid you get in your car you drive at normal speed you
00:40:39
dri right you know you you try not to be you have your seat belt on you're not breaking any other laws that would get
00:40:45
you pulled over or draw attention to right because hypothetically somebody grabs a kid they put put them in the car
00:40:51
and they start driving 70 M down a road where there's only one way in and one way out and everybody that sees the car
00:40:58
goes oh I remember that car was going 80 M an hour so I but I am curious why do we not have a statement from her even if
00:41:07
the statement is and I'm not saying that hasn't come from her but what are the F
00:41:12
her parents saying that hey did she go inside for a minute was was he was William out playing by himself for 5 10
00:41:20
minutes right well the the the very troubling thing about this when you look this spot on the
00:41:28
map you could take a kid from this spot and you could be on that country road that we talked about in 2 minutes and
00:41:36
this would be without speeding away from the scene of of the abduction right and
00:41:42
I'm guessing once you hit that Country Road you could be gone and out of the area fairly quickly even with police
00:41:48
arriving on the scene within 10 minutes of the emergency call going out and you're right Captain the general story
00:41:56
that has always been told To Us by the foster parents is that the the two little kids were outside playing in the
00:42:04
yard it was a it was a nice day and the mother and grandmother went inside for to get a cup of tea that they estimate
00:42:14
that they were only gone 10 maybe 15 minutes but remember we said that the mother had opened up the balcony door
00:42:22
I'm also assuming that that might mean that other windows are probably open to the home at this time because she does
00:42:28
state that she could hear the children outside playing while her and her mother were inside the home so yeah and anybody
00:42:37
that's watched kids before knows I mean normally if you can hear them everything's fine yeah it's when you
00:42:44
know it's once you stop hearing them that normally something bad happened yeah yeah and so those are the only
00:42:50
accounts that we have to go off of um the crazy thing though you know this happens on a Friday morning so you would
00:42:58
think that there might not be a lot of potential eyewitnesses however I I don't think that's the case here from my
00:43:07
understanding that this kendle area there's a lot of retire corre retired people and it also sounds like there
00:43:13
were quite a bit of people home in this neighborhood during that time there were
00:43:18
even other kids that were outside reporting to have been playing at the time of this disappearance and remember
00:43:25
this they're not even supposed to be there on that Friday right they they probably would have still been traveling
00:43:31
to Kendall at that time mhm okay so back to the early investigation we mentioned
00:43:37
a strike force was uh formed very quickly this is called strike force Rosanne was established with specially
00:43:44
trained investigators from the State Crime command who were experienced in The Unexplained disappearance of young
00:43:50
children they supported the police other Emergency Services Workers and members of the public involved in the search now
00:43:59
after 5 days police said that they were unable to come up with any leads in The Disappearance of the little boy one very
00:44:07
important thing to note here though we talked about the Foster grandmother's house being searched yeah I would guess
00:44:15
that at this time that the authorities were going to be taking a very good look at the foster parents as well but I want
00:44:24
to point out here that at 4:30 p.m. on the day that William vanished according to William's biological grandmother
00:44:32
Williams biological parents were arrested on that day as well they were arrested for what just drugs um I I have
00:44:40
no statement other than the grandmother stating that at 4:30 p.m. on the day that William went missing the biological
00:44:47
parents were arrested maybe they were just were they arrested or were they just brought him for questioning well
00:44:53
well I I tell you what let's continue on our investigation timeline because I think that that might hijack the
00:44:59
conversation a little bit uhhuh did they bring in Kida dogs at all to the search
00:45:05
area yeah so there are multiple dog units that were brought in I'm assuming that that what would be the case um
00:45:14
however you got to keep in mind that especially in the early stages of the search they believe they're searching
00:45:20
for a for a living breathing human human being mhm um not a DAV keep in mind so much of the of the he went missing on
00:45:30
September 12th as you pointed out a Friday so much of of the next few days were spent searching the forest and
00:45:38
these searches were being conducted by hundreds of Searchers including the eight of dogs motorcycles helicopters
00:45:43
and so on the search areas included waterways and dams as we had mentioned also during this time the sex crime
00:45:50
Squad was interviewing people and speaking with locals the search expanded to 3 kilomet around the spot from where
00:45:58
he had disappeared from so a very expansive search and most of it is very rugged terrain if you check out the map
00:46:06
there police on the on the fifth day said that these searches of the forest in the waterways have provided
00:46:13
zero zero leads or Clues as to the whereabouts of William MH and we don't have any scent trail of him going from
00:46:22
the backyard into the forest anyways yeah right they did say that if by some chance the
00:46:29
boy was in the bush land we might that he might still be alive at this time now this is 5 days after he's gone missing a
00:46:38
source on that same day tells reporters that the police and the task force had also been talking to all sex offenders
00:46:46
in that region now nine days into the search how how many offenders do we have in that that region I mean we don't have
00:46:54
that many people in the popul well I I would imagine when they say region that that expands beyond the
00:47:01
boundaries of the town of Kendall right now nine days into the search the um the
00:47:07
search was largely scaled back nine days into it um the thought here is that emergency service workers believe that
00:47:16
if he were in the bush land that he would be presumed to have been dead by this time yeah um and again there was
00:47:24
still no evidence to suggest that that scenario was even possible at that point so when we say that the
00:47:30
search was largely scaled back that means that at this point we are just going to have law enforcement working on
00:47:37
the search for William what does that mean what we can what we can infer from that is that that means we are now
00:47:43
working off of tips received by the sent in by the public and we're also working
00:47:48
on leads of possible offenders uh talking to the sex offenders in the region would also point to that mm MH on
00:47:56
January 6th 2015 the commander denied reports that investigators were treating the case as a targeted
00:48:06
abduction now that same month on the 20th January 20th forensic teams searched the home of a Tradesman this is
00:48:14
William speding he goes by Bill speding so we'll call him that Bill speding had gave Williams foster grandmother a quote
00:48:22
to fix a washing machine at her home this was just 4 days before the child went missing yeah and it's not clear
00:48:29
what they took from his home but they did take some items from his home I'm I'm guessing they tested them and also
00:48:36
offered up his DNA as well and Bill speding was questioned at that time and as you mentioned up he offered up his
00:48:43
DNA so he was he was cooperative yeah at that time but uh there's been a lot of Publications people on social media
00:48:50
still throwing him under the bus well we will learn that bill has a questionable background involving
00:48:59
allegations with him and children and so that's going to keep him in the the spotlight yeah keep him in the spotlight
00:49:08
and in the target of the public on March 2nd 2015 police and homicide Squad units
00:49:16
began a new search uh this was for the body of William in the dense Bush land of Bonnie Hills off of the Pacific
00:49:25
Highway after receiving a tip from a member of the public this was an extensive search this was not an easy
00:49:33
area to search but they did it anyway nothing was found as a result of this tip on April 17 the same year New South
00:49:43
Wales police revealed that they were investigating reports of a possible pedophile ring operating in the area
00:49:52
that William had disappeared okay this this this could be a strong Theory and there is some evidence to suggest that
00:50:00
this suspected pedophile ring could could be a possibility could be the solution to to what happened to
00:50:09
William right so what we would later learn is that police clear William's family and any involvement in The
00:50:18
Disappearance and it sounds like they cleared them fairly early and then quickly they believed that the boy was
00:50:25
Abdu Ed by a possible opportun opportunistic stranger later which makes the most
00:50:32
sense because he doesn't live in that area I'm sure now he's three at the time they get they get William as you know
00:50:41
being his foster parents at let's say roughly age one so how many times did they visit there right you know so it's
00:50:51
just not likely that somebody would know that that William is going going to be at his grandma's house right and even
00:50:58
though this was a you know cuz a what a lot of people will point to is this was an unplanned trip and actually straight
00:51:05
from the foster mother's mouth are the words that this was a planned trip the UN what where people get confused is the
00:51:13
unplanned portion was we went early so like you had pointed out earlier that very likely they would not have been
00:51:21
there that at that time on that Friday no they would have waited till the school was out or the daycare was out
00:51:27
and then they would have left and the reason why I will not shoot down the possibility of an opportunistic stranger
00:51:34
abduction here is for one thing that we already pointed out we have other Witnesses other people that lived in the
00:51:42
neighborhood stating that they were not only were they home that day but they had children I don't know if they were
00:51:48
their children or their grandkids but there were other children that were out playing in this neighborhood on that
00:51:54
very day and what I mean by opportunistic stranger mhm it's forgive me for saying so but to put
00:52:02
it bluntly it's like going to the grocery store and picking out some produce right you if you know that
00:52:08
there's going to be a decent amount of children if that's what you are looking for you go to that area you Scout it out
00:52:16
and you you take what seems to be an easy target but this doesn't seem like the most
00:52:26
likely area because there's one way in and one way out you think that the perpetrator would know that oh yeah I I
00:52:36
absolutely believe that either either the perpetrator knew this if if he was in fact abducted that they knew that
00:52:43
there was one way in and one way out because they I believe if it was an opportunistic stranger that abducted
00:52:50
little William that the person pulled into the neighborhood probably Cru cruised the the small area and and
00:52:59
looked at the children that were outside playing at that time that that doesn't you know rule out the possibility that
00:53:05
it's sex ring either you know no not at all you know not at all now it was later
00:53:12
um you know like we said early in the investigation it appears we're later told that they they very quickly
00:53:18
believed that the the child was not abducted by his foster parents or his biological parents or that they had
00:53:24
anything do with his disappearance or demise right and we're told that very early on the police were quickly working
00:53:33
on the thought that in theory that he was abducted by an opportunistic stranger now later is when they start
00:53:41
examining the possibility that this quote opportunistic stranger may have had a connection with a pedophile ring
00:53:49
or you know so maybe he was abducted by more than one person mhm um but you also
00:53:56
have the the thought there too is procuring an individual or victim for this pedophile ring you know somebody
00:54:05
that maybe not be maybe is not fully involved in the pedophile ring but but taking the child and giving them to a
00:54:15
member of that pedophile ring is a possibility well they they sell them most of the time well that no that's
00:54:22
what I mean yeah procuring them for this so so there's if you have a stranger on
00:54:27
Stranger abduction not only is it hard to make the link between the abductor and the victim but then if you add a
00:54:35
middleman in there too that's going to make it even harder to trace this back to where William could be or where he's
00:54:42
being held now some some evidence to point to the possibility of this this pedophile ring is remember the old show
00:54:52
maybe it's maybe it's a current show I don't know but you know the show current affair which I've not seen in a
00:54:57
bazillion years so yeah yeah well it kind of like Entertainment Tonight kind of okay so it could be still around I'm
00:55:04
just unaware but the show current affair reported that about 20 registered sex offenders were living in the surrounding
00:55:12
area of Kendall 20 registered correct and and then we know that there's at least if there's 20 registered there's
00:55:21
going to be at least a few that aren't registered yeah yeah these are typically um crimes that go heavily unreported or
00:55:31
when they are reported there's little evidence to convict somebody of these because it it a lot of times it turns
00:55:38
into a he said she said situation where you only have the victim's word to go off of um and I know that in situations
00:55:48
here I I don't I'm not familiar with Australian law but in situations here that doesn't usually work well to get a
00:55:55
conviction now on June 11th 2015 newspaper Reports say that a Spider-Man toy was found in the work van
00:56:06
of what ABC News referred to as a person of interest in the William trell disappearance case this was the man that
00:56:14
we previously discussed Mr Bill speding however this this is the guy that gave him a quote on the washing machine yes M
00:56:25
um that his house was searched he offered up his DNA however the New South Wales police would not confirm the
00:56:33
discovery of this Spider-Man toy or comment on this story at all so where we have this reported we don't have police
00:56:44
confirmation then police later began investigating into the finding into finding the drivers of two cars that
00:56:53
were seen parked on the dead end road on the morning that William disappeared the
00:56:58
cars were described as a white station wagon and an older style gray sedan which were parked between two driveways
00:57:07
of the acre lot of land they were seen with their driver side windows down and they were unknown to the neighborhood
00:57:15
where the locals are all considered to be friends these cars were noticed by Williams mother and they have not been
00:57:23
seen in the area again again since The Disappearance the police regard these particular vehicles with much suspicion
00:57:31
as there seemed to be no logical reason why they would be parked on the street before Williams disappearance reportedly
00:57:39
at 9:00 a.m. a green or gray sedan car drove past the Terell home while William and his sister were riding bikes in the
00:57:48
driveway the car drove into the no through Road did a u-turn in the neighbor driveway way and drove out of
00:57:57
the street second secondly this is something completely different another and I don't have much of a description
00:58:04
on this vehicle here Captain but another quote four-wheel drive was cited driving
00:58:11
out of benaroon Drive about 10:30 a.m. this is approximately the time that William disappeared the same vehicle was
00:58:19
later seen speeding down another kle Street the police said that they had not known that they have known about these
00:58:28
cars since the investigation started since the day of his disappearance however as part of an investigative
00:58:36
strategy the information about these vehicles was not released to the public until September 7th 2015 when they
00:58:43
announced a public appeal for information about these two cars detective Gary jubilan said during the
00:58:51
The Plea for information quote we're looking at a Royal area and it was a deadend street
00:58:59
to attend out there there would have to be a reason yeah and on the same day which is roughly about a year after
00:59:06
William went missing law enforcement is going to release the tape of the triple zero call that Williams Foster mother
00:59:14
made of you know reporting William going missing M the triple Z again is what we
00:59:20
refer to in the states as a 911 call on September 3D 13th 2015 criminal profiler
00:59:27
Dr Sarah Yule from the police task force working with detectives to find William
00:59:33
revealed details about the person police suspect suspect may have abducted the toddler so not a full profile was
00:59:42
released but definitely some thoughts on the profile of the person responsible or
00:59:46
thoughts about this person uh and here they are Captain the good doctor states that if no one but the child's Foster
00:59:54
parents and grandmother knew about the visit then the kidnapper would have to have had another reason to be there
01:00:03
either visiting living or working in the area there was only a narrow window of opportunity to take the child from
01:00:11
outside the property quote it does seem that this was an opportunistic crime and
01:00:18
when somebody makes that kind of impulsive decision mistakes are made and it's those kind of mistakes that the
01:00:26
investigation is focusing on detective Gary jubilan added the kidnapping occurred on a Friday around 10:30 a.m.
01:00:35
it was broad daylight and whoever abducted him risked being seen from the balcony of Williams grandmother's home
01:00:42
as well as neighboring properties on September 26th 2015 police confirmed that they had
01:00:49
seized a white station wagon for forensic examination from a property north of Kendall the following year on
01:00:58
September 12th 2016 on the 2 Anniversary of Williams disappearance the New South
01:01:05
Wales government announces a $1 million reward for information on Williams whereabouts the police say that the
01:01:13
reward will usually be paid out as conditional on the arrest and conviction of the offender but the recovery of
01:01:20
William had been added as a condition on this reward it is the largest ever reward offered to
01:01:28
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