00:00:00
explore today's musthave Trends and Innovative Styles at Mrs be's clearance and outlet shop oneof aind finds in
00:00:06
today's musthave Trends explore wall to--all deals Furniture flooring mattresses Home Accents seasonal
00:00:13
favorites and more discover unique new home decor pillows accessories and more there's something perfect for your style
00:00:20
and budget there's new inventory every day add up to 80% off suggested retail discover the style and savings of Mrs
00:00:27
be's clearance and Outlet when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands
00:00:35
at winning prices and with special financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your
00:00:42
mattress purchase helps give the gift of better sleep to children in need and US
00:00:47
Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today and make every snooze count financing is
00:00:56
subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for [Music] [Applause] details [Music]
00:01:43
welcome to True crb garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and with me
00:01:49
each and every week is a man that would like to remind us all that crime does not pay at least not like it used to he
00:01:56
is the captain well the stock market prices have gone up on Lube jobs and mouthy but that's another story it's
00:02:03
good to be seen and it's good to see you thanks for listening thanks for telling
00:02:07
a [Music] friend this week we are drinking anytime minutes by the good people at Willows
00:02:19
family als's garage grade 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of five this is a double IPA that is great anytime anywhere and
00:02:28
it's strong with an AB of 88.5% and this week's beer was brought to us by these strong garage Army
00:02:35
Members First up we have Ryan and Minneapolis Minnesota big shout out to Richard in Hampton Georgia and a cheers
00:02:42
mates to Meg and denam Massachusetts and a big cheers to Ryan in wizville Missouri here's a longdistance cheers to
00:02:49
Louise and reading UK and last but certainly not least we have Marsha and Coquitlam British Columbia so thanks to
00:02:56
everybody for joining us in the garage this week with beers in hand if you want to help us out with next week's show go
00:03:02
to True Crim garage.com and click on the Donate button and the holiday season is
00:03:06
a great time to catch up on old episodes so download the Stitcher app it is free
00:03:12
and also check out our bonus show off the record on Stitcher premium and that's enough of the business all right
00:03:19
everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music]
00:03:33
[Applause] [Music] Camp Scott was a 410 acre camp that was owned and operated by the Tulsa based
00:03:51
magic Empire Council of Girl Scouts since 1928 this Camp was located in a wooded
00:03:59
area about 2 miles from the town of Locust Grove Locust Grove Oklahoma is a small town even today with less than
00:04:07
2,000 people this densely wooded area is about 40 mi from Tulsa Locust Grove has a large Native
00:04:16
American population members of the Cherokee and other tribes settled there after they were forcibly relocated from
00:04:23
more Eastern areas the camp had facilities for up to 140 children and a staff of 30
00:04:31
counselors Camp Scott was divided into 10 units named after Indian tribes such as Chua and Quapaw the Girl Scouts were
00:04:40
assigned their units and to their counselors when they arrived at Camp Scott the counselors were generally
00:04:47
older girls ages 16 to 25 there were no male counselors at the camp most of the campers came from the
00:04:56
Tulsa metropolitan area camscott housed both Girl Scouts in their younger counterparts the
00:05:04
brownies so the girls attending ranged in age from second grade through high school one thing of note the camp was
00:05:12
partially fenced and had Gates that were locked at night but the fence has been described as not the kind that could
00:05:20
keep anyone in or out in the summer of 77 this place was filled with young people the Girl Scouts
00:05:30
is a group synonymous with camping the outdoors volunteering and of course cookies and a new batch of Scout Troops
00:05:38
shuffled in every two weeks to enjoy everything summer camp has to offer until that one terrible night in
00:05:49
June what took place the night of June 13th 1977 was and still is horrifying parents sent their young
00:05:59
young happy daughters to an idyllic 2E camp and they never returned what was done to these girls
00:06:07
can only be described as pure evil this week we examine the Oklahoma Girl Scout [Music]
00:06:27
murders well the trailer did a good job of setting up the location for this week's case so let's dive right into the
00:06:34
events of June 12th and June 13th of 1977 buses full of excited campers arrived around 300 p.m. on Sunday June
00:06:44
12th this was to be the first day of a two-e camp the counselors offloaded the girls checking their names off the list
00:06:53
the girls were separated into units by age and school grade there were 10 units total
00:06:59
once the girls were sorted their bags were loaded onto a pickup truck and transferred to the appropriate tents by
00:07:06
counselors in the camp Ranger Ben Woodward 27 girls were assigned to the kyowa unit and they were allowed to
00:07:14
select their tent mates all the tents had four girls but for some reason tent number eight in the ca had only three
00:07:22
girls assigned the three girls who were left after everyone else picked their roommates these three did not come to
00:07:30
Camp with friends and did not know anyone else in the unit these girls were Lori farmer age 8 Denise Milner age 10
00:07:39
Michelle gusay age n the three were introduced and agreed to share a tent they were sent off to unpack and get
00:07:47
acquainted the girls unrolled their sleeping bags and put them on three of the four CS in tent number eight Lori
00:07:55
and Michelle took the Cs on the south end of the tent and Denise took the first cot on the North side they stowed
00:08:01
some of their other stuff on the empty cot side note real quick here tent number eight was actually referred to by
00:08:09
the kowa unit campers and staff as tent number seven they did not count the counselor's tent as a tent with a number
00:08:17
only the scout tents it has become known as tent number eight there's even a well-known book about the case with this
00:08:24
title the counselors for the kaiwa unit were Carlos Sue will height 23 D Elder 20 and Susan Emory only 18 all of these
00:08:35
counselors were personally hired by camp director Barbara day with at least one being a former camper and two being
00:08:42
repeat counselors all attended a week long pre-amp conference earlier in the month this is to get acclimated to the
00:08:49
rules and Protocols of the Girl Scout camp there they were told if they saw any Outsiders on the camp property there
00:08:57
to tell them that it's private proper property and to leave this was pretty much the extent of the security of this
00:09:04
Camp the counselors arrived at Camp Scott earlier on the day of the 12th prior to the arrival of the campers and
00:09:11
some noticed that someone deliberately cut off the flap on tent number six a large section of the newish tent about
00:09:20
4T by 5 ft was cut off it was repaired with linen material so the tent was usable that day contrary to the beliefs
00:09:29
of many no counselors were assigned the camper tents the counselors shared their
00:09:33
own tent accommodations within each unit so Captain basically what we have here is we have seven tents that are full of
00:09:42
campers four in each with the exception of what is actually cabin number seven has three girls in it but it's
00:09:50
labeled number eight because the counselor's tent that only houses counselors is not counted uh it's not
00:09:58
numbered per the camp Camp yeah and this is a little strange cuz every time I went to summer camp there was a
00:10:03
counselor that stayed in our cabin with us yes me me as well uh the kyowa unit was more isolated than the rest of the
00:10:13
units it was located right next to the border of dense Woods at the westernmost edge of the camp and was accessible only
00:10:21
by a service road that came to a dead end at the campsite the unit was arranged in a semicircle with a kitchen
00:10:29
in a meeting area in the middle of the circle and the circle comprised of the eight platform tents these were really
00:10:37
12T by 14t canvas cabins on top of wooden platforms 2 feet off of the ground Yeah so basically it it looks
00:10:46
like a cabin but the walls and the the ceiling and or the roof is made out of the tent material but the floor is
00:10:54
wooden and then you have some steps to get up onto the wooden platform the canvas sides were tied tightly to the
00:11:01
wooden platforms but could be rolled up as needed each tent was large enough to house four girls tent number eight was
00:11:09
the last one in the unit furthest removed from the counselor's tent 100 yard away tent number8 was near a path
00:11:17
that led to the restrooms but was 75 ft from the next closest tent it was not visible from the tent that housed
00:11:26
counselors Susan Carla and de I'm going to post pictures of the actual tents and
00:11:31
the layout on our Instagram at True Crime garage now we aren't sure what happened for portions of this first day
00:11:39
likely the camp engaged in Get to Know You activities we do know that dinner in the Great Hall cafeteria was around 5:30
00:11:48
or 6:00 p.m. after dinner all the girls gathered and d a kowa unit counselor led
00:11:55
the whole camp in song the sky began to look ominous and it started started to pour as the girls made their way to
00:12:01
their tents by the time they arrived at their tents everyone was soaking wet after dinner activities were cancelled
00:12:08
due to the storm and the counselors told the girls to change into dry clothes and
00:12:13
get ready for bed the kids spent the evening writing letters home to their parents at 8:00 p.m. there was a meeting
00:12:21
in the kitchen area in the middle of the unit where the girls had cookies and the
00:12:25
counselor's read Winnie the Pooh we know that at some Point Denise Milner asked de if she could call home she was
00:12:33
already homesick she did not want to go to camp but her mother convinced her to give it a try de comforted Denise and
00:12:41
told her to stick it out and that she could call her mother in the morning right counselors were trained to try to
00:12:47
keep the girls from calling home finding that it didn't help the homesick girls to feel any better well and it probably
00:12:54
didn't help their return rate I mean if a girl's calling home a couple times times during Camp her parents might
00:13:00
think twice about sending her next year and we all know how young kids can act too given these situations if they're in
00:13:08
a if they're at a place that they don't really want to be they will really exaggerate you know I hate it here it's
00:13:15
terrible here it's the worst thing ever and you find out well they're singing songs they're reading books they're
00:13:21
writing letters they're it's awful yeah it's torture it's horrible you know what
00:13:26
I find horrible though I don't like I never like the Get to Know You activities where you have to say hi my
00:13:32
name is Nick I'm from Columbus I go to school here and I enjoy boating or you know you have to like name a hobby or
00:13:40
something and because I always feel nice to meet you yeah I always feel like I'm
00:13:43
on the spot and then not only that there's a whole bunch of people that you're meeting for the first time and
00:13:48
you you try to remember their names or something they're into and it just doesn't work for me yeah I used to get
00:13:54
extreme homesickness when I'd spend the night at people's houses so then I eventually just stopped spending the
00:14:00
night at people's house because I'm like oh I'm just going to wake up in the middle of night and start crying anyways
00:14:05
and this is not a good look for me so I let me just leave about 11 Denise returned to tent number eight and she
00:14:12
wrote a letter to her mother uh of course this letter saying that she didn't really like camp and wanted to
00:14:17
come home all three girls in tent number eight wrote letters home that night the
00:14:22
rain ended around 9:00 p.m. according to the Camp staff that night the counselors
00:14:27
checked on each of the and told the girls it was time for lights out this was around 10:30 girls stayed up late
00:14:34
and told go ghost stories and giggled and you know all that kind of stuff some people have reported that there was an
00:14:41
after dark game of Hide and Seek the camp was not lit at night there were no electric lights that were left on except
00:14:49
at the Rangers and director houses and the absolute Darkness was part of the experience that the girls were expected
00:14:57
to get used to there was a kerosene lantern hung at the latrine area for use but the girls were
00:15:04
told to always leave their tent in the company of a buddy and always carry a flashlight to help them navigate their
00:15:11
way around in the pitch black right the camp was surrounded by dense Woods which
00:15:17
contributed to the darkness now we need to get into the events and true stories of some things
00:15:24
that we know that went on that night in question so first we have a counselor in
00:15:30
the commanche unit she reported she was walking back from the restrooms at some point after lights out and she noticed a
00:15:39
dim light shining in the woods nearby it appeared just beyond the tree line surrounding the camp the counselor knew
00:15:46
that no one should be in that area she shined her flashlight in that direction as as soon as her flashlight hit the
00:15:53
tree line the dim light was turned off this was in the direction of the service road correct mhm in a few minutes it
00:16:01
returned and began moving Northwest in the direction of the ca unit again she tried to see what it was with her
00:16:08
flashlight and again the light went off the counselor waited for several minutes
00:16:13
and didn't see the light again so she returned to her own tent around 9:00 p.m. Susan Emory left kaiwa unit to go
00:16:21
to the staff house to hang out she was not on duty that night around 10:30 p.m. D Elder decided to make a tent check of
00:16:30
the kowa unit she went to every tent and talked with the girls the last tent she
00:16:36
visited was the furthest away tent number eight all three of the girls were finishing their letters home by
00:16:43
flashlight D told them it was time for bed and after a few minutes she closed the flap on the tent and left Susan
00:16:50
returned to the kaiwa unit around 11:00 p.m. at some point in the night counselor Celia stall said a girl
00:16:57
started scream screaming in the woods and counselors found her sleepwalking they put her back to bed in
00:17:03
her tent another thing that was reported was at some time in the night a young girl scout started screaming in the qu
00:17:11
PA unit which housed the youngest campers a frightened girl told counselors that she was walking from her
00:17:18
tent to the restroom area when someone grabbed her by her raincoat other girls said something was walking around their
00:17:25
tents one girl said she saw a man in the woods or possibly two men reports vary right counselors presumably attributed
00:17:34
all of this paranoia to First Night Jitters Andor pranks and escorted the girls back to their tents I'm sure that
00:17:42
it's probably fairly hard to tell what is fact and what is fiction regarding some of these stories that these young
00:17:49
campers are passing along to the counselors Carla and D both reported hearing the girls giggling and messing
00:17:55
around into the night Carla reported that she and D were awakened at 1:30 a.m. by some of the girls in tent number
00:18:03
five slamming the door in the bathroom area Carla got up and escorted the girls back to their tent then as they both lay
00:18:11
awake on their CS Carla and de heard a strange noise it seemed to be a low guttural moaning de and Carla got up and
00:18:19
went outside walking toward tent number five Carla then walked toward the road that led to the camp when she reached
00:18:26
the road she pointed her flashlight in the direction of the sound she could see nothing in the woods and the moaning
00:18:33
stopped She said she assumed the noise was some kind of animal right she walked back to the tent area and she and D
00:18:40
checked out tent number five and then they returned to their own tent the strange moaning noise then
00:18:47
resumed sometime in the night likely after 2 a.m. as de and Carlo went back to sleep the flaps of the counselor's
00:18:54
tent were taken off the hook screws that held them d and Susan's purses and Carla's glasses
00:19:02
disappeared around this time young campers who woke up saw a light outside their tents the girls in tent number
00:19:11
seven watched as the light approached their tent and then suddenly the tent panel was pulled open and a light Shone
00:19:17
inside the tent a 10-year-old camper watched terrified as a large dark figure glared into the tent then dropped the
00:19:25
panel and moved away as some point the hook screws holding down the back of tent number eight were
00:19:32
removed a girl in Cherokee reported hearing screams around 3:00 a.m. in one of the more disturbing details one
00:19:41
camper in quog unit reported hearing someone screaming or moaning mama mama in the morning Carla woke up to her
00:19:50
alarm at 6:00 a.m. she planned to get up 30 minutes early so she could take a hot
00:19:54
shower at the staff house a few hundred yards away from the service road and at these camps I mean you're lucky if you
00:20:01
get hot water at all so really you have to get there early and fast if you want to have a hot shower well Carla tiptoed
00:20:09
out of her dark tent and down the steps it was a beautiful calm sunny day after the storms the night before Carla walked
00:20:17
along the trail to the showers when a flash of bright yellow caught her eye and she walked over closer to
00:20:23
investigate she saw from several yards away a sleeping bag on the ground then she saw a child lying partially on and
00:20:32
under the bag and partially on the ground she wondered what the girl was doing sleeping outside of her tent but
00:20:39
then what she was seeing registered this small child was not sleeping something terrible has happened and Carla ran away
00:20:47
strangely she recounts that her first inclination was to run and wake up de and Susan and the other CA counselors
00:20:56
right and insist that they count all of the girls in the kyowa tents she told them she saw a girl's body on the ground
00:21:04
and more sleeping bags next to it near the trail and she was afraid the girl on the ground was from her unit yeah Susan
00:21:12
and d and Carla ran to all the ca tents checking on the occupants who were still
00:21:17
asleep but found tent number eight was empty they had 24 girls accounted for but Denise Lori and Michelle were
00:21:26
missing Carla looked Clos her into the dark tent and saw Blood on the floor and mattresses she was trying to make heads
00:21:33
or tails of everything that was going on yeah it's almost like she wants to count
00:21:37
all the campers first so if she goes back to the body that she will know that it's not one of her Campers or if it is
00:21:45
one of her campers before she has to investigate the body yeah and this girl she was lying near a tree about 150
00:21:52
yards away from tent number eight it's very likely that it was simply because she was just just too afraid of what she
00:21:59
might find right so instead Carla told D and Suzanne to make sure that the Kwa girls didn't leave their tents while she
00:22:07
ran for help the counselors were trained to try to keep calm and keep from upsetting their girls in scary
00:22:14
situations Carla cut across the field toward the nurse's quarters which was approximately 300 yard to the South but
00:22:21
Susan apparently decided to investigate what Carla saw and when she came to the area where the girl lay on the ground
00:22:28
she started screaming right d came running and put her hand over Susan's mouth and told Susan to go back to the
00:22:35
unit to keep the girls calm de felt the first sleeping bag and felt a body inside and same for the second sleeping
00:22:43
bag she ran for her car meanwhile Carla reached the nurse's quarters and frantically roused Maryann albec the
00:22:50
camp nurse telling her something terrible had happened and there was a body down in the kaiwa unit the nurse
00:22:57
nurse dressed quickly and hurried to her car while Carla raced next door to awaken camp director Barbara day and her
00:23:04
husband Richard meanwhile nurse albec encountered D on the road in her own car and when asked what happened D told her
00:23:13
there are those little girls down there and I think they're all dead the nurse drove over to the kywa unit and found
00:23:20
Suzanne who led her to the spot where the bodies lay what nurse ALC saw and Susan Carla and D saw earlier was
00:23:28
horrifying Denise Milner lay on her back on the ground her legs spread wide apart
00:23:34
she was nuded from the waist down there were visible wounds and blood on her face the nurse touched the cored artery
00:23:42
to see if there was a pulse but when she squeezed blood came out of the girl's mouth trying to find her wrist the nurse
00:23:49
realized that the dead girl's hands were tied together behind her back camp director Barbara day and her husband
00:23:56
arrived barara stayed at the car while Richard ran over to the body on the ground he instinctively picked up a
00:24:03
sleeping bag lying partially under Denise and covered the dead girl Richard was a surgical technician at a large
00:24:12
Tulsa hospital and he knew Dead when he saw it he noted that there were two other sleeping bags that clearly
00:24:19
contained bodies and he told his wife to call the police but strangely no one seems to have actually opened the two
00:24:26
sleeping bags to check on the contents what if one or both of the girls were still alive in any event
00:24:34
Richard and Barbara got into their car and drove to the house of Camp Ranger and ex-marine Ben Woodward he lived in a
00:24:42
house on Camp Scott grounds with his wife and kids his wife was the camp cook the days had trouble waking Ben and
00:24:50
finally had to let themselves in and Shake him in his bed until he woke up Richard told him what was going on and
00:24:57
Barbara called the highway patrol Richard went to the camp gate which was locked from the previous night
00:25:04
to wait for the police and then LED them to the kywa unit Ben Woodward went to the sight of the bodies horrified at
00:25:12
what he saw he was near tears when he recovered himself and looked around he noted a red and white 9volt flashlight
00:25:21
with a roll of duct tape lying near the bodies a decision was quickly made not to tell the other campers what happened
00:25:29
multiple stories are told by girls who were at the camp that day about what information they were given some were
00:25:36
told that there was a problem with the water supply others say that there was an accident as one article said nothing
00:25:45
in the Girl Scout manual told these young counselors how to deal with this situation the campers were awaken by the
00:25:52
camp Bell told to get dressed and sent to breakfast in the Great Hall with counselor being sure to steer them onto
00:25:59
Pathways from the scene after they were fed breakfast and packed up they did some arts and crafts and went swimming
00:26:06
until the buses arrived and authorities approved the girl's departure all the girls were loaded up and sent back home
00:26:14
to Tulsa during all of this time while they kept campers distracted Camp staffers were using name list to try to
00:26:22
figure out exactly who the missing girls were counselors were being questioned and the tents and camp areas were
00:26:29
searched by investigators there are conflicting stories about what the camper parents
00:26:35
were told about why the girls were coming home but it seems most believed that there was quote an accident at the
00:26:42
camp and the parents found themselves waiting for the buses not being certain whether their children were coming home
00:26:50
when they saw their daughters emerged from the buses many of the parents broke down with relief the three victim's
00:26:56
parents were reached by by phone and told their daughters had been killed but not much more information than that was
00:27:02
given Camp Scott officially closed on June 14th 1977 and never [Music] reopened this show is sponsored by
00:27:20
better help do you look forward to the holidays maybe you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be
00:27:26
a lot and it's it's natural to feel some sadness or even anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to
00:27:32
your life can counteract some of those feelings therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you
00:27:40
feel grounded and to give you the tools to manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better
00:27:47
help a try it's entirely online designed to be convenient flexible and suited to
00:27:52
your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a licensed therapist and switch therapist
00:27:58
at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with betterhelp visit betterhelp.com garage
00:28:06
today to get 10% off your first month that's betterhelp hp.com garage explore today's must-have Trends
00:28:18
and Innovative Styles at Mrs B's clearance and outlet shop one-of aind finds in today's musthave Trends explore
00:28:25
wall to- wall deals Furniture flooring mattresses Home Accents seasonal favorites and more discover unique new
00:28:31
home decor pillows accessories and more there's something perfect for your style
00:28:36
and budget there's new inventory every day at up to 80% off suggested retail discover the style and savings of Mrs
00:28:43
be's clearance and Outlet dreaming of overseas Adventures or connecting more deeply with family
00:28:51
from afar Rosetta Stone Bridges the language Gap I've tried others but Rosetta Stone's immersive lesson lessons
00:28:57
and voice feedback technology are game changers dive into 25 Languages by learning intuitively just like when you
00:29:04
were a kid and here's the holiday Sparkle grab a lifetime membership now and save 50% gift yourself the world
00:29:13
head to rosettastone.com now and save [Music] 50% and we're back from the tasty beer
00:29:31
break a holiday cheers to everyone out there mhm Peter Weaver was the sheriff of MA county and was one of the First
00:29:40
Responders on that morning at Camp Scott he quickly decided that the Slayer or Slayers likely picked that particular
00:29:47
tent because it was over 50 ft from the others and near thick brush which would give the killer cover Weaver stated that
00:29:55
he touched Denise Milner's body and estimated her body temperature at around 70° this led many people to speculate
00:30:04
that Denise was only dead for a short time as her body was somewhat warm around 700 a.m. at that time of year in
00:30:12
Oklahoma the sun begins to rise as early as 5 a.m. Sheriff Weaver called in the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation
00:30:20
or the OSBI agent Mike Wilkerson was assigned the horrific case of the three dead Girl
00:30:27
Scouts his two brothers were also agents and like many Oklahomans the Wilkerson were part
00:30:34
native American Mike and his brother Dave wrote someone cry for the children a comprehensive book about this case
00:30:41
which we will reference from time to time when Wilkerson arrived at the scene he met up with another agent with the
00:30:48
district attorney Sheriff Weaver a medical examiner and a highway patrolman this is Howard Barry Trooper Barry lived
00:30:57
less than a mile from Camp Scott and a call from Dispatch sent him to the scene around 6:30 a.m. also called in was Mike
00:31:05
wheat a reporter who helped police by taking crime- scene photos wheat took hundreds of photos of the bodies and the
00:31:12
scene to document the findings for investigators he is still Disturbed to this day at the memory of what he
00:31:18
witnessed three sleeping bags one yellow plaid one dark green the other a red flower pattern lying together beside the
00:31:27
Trail under a tree Denise Milner's body and the other two inside the bags he photographed inside of tent number eight
00:31:36
we commented later when he was done that he noted Blood on the soles of his shoes
00:31:41
this next part Captain is very strange and I don't really know what to make of it when agent Wilkerson arrived he
00:31:48
learned that the two sleeping bags had still not been opened this was at 10:00 a.m. about 4 hours after discovering the
00:31:56
bodies no one had open open the sleeping bags to check the girls yeah D and Richard day both at least touched the
00:32:02
sleeping bags and guessed that there were bodies inside but it's it's shocking to me that the bags weren't
00:32:08
opened earlier when Law Enforcement Officers opened the first sleeping bag they found
00:32:13
8-year-old Lori farmer wrapped in bloody bed sheets the next bag was opened and revealed Michelle Gus she was bloody and
00:32:22
was bound in a fetal position with cord around one hand then looped tightly under her butto and bound to the other
00:32:30
hand some reports state that Lori and Michelle had ligatures around their necks Blood Stained bed clothes were
00:32:37
found in their sleeping bags there is a disagreement about what the two girls in
00:32:42
the sleeping bags were wearing when they were found MH but one report says that they were naked from the waist down the
00:32:48
other Reports say that they may have been wearing something the body of 10-year-old Denise
00:32:53
Milner was lying out in the open half nude she was lying on her back with her pajama top pulled up under her arms and
00:33:01
her arms taped down around the shoulders with black duct tape that ran across the
00:33:07
pajama top her hands were bound behind her with thick dark 2-in duct tape and some kind of cord the duct tape over top
00:33:17
of the cord right she was beaten severely on her face in the shape of some kind of blunt object or instrument
00:33:24
was visible on her face observers said it appeared to be a rectangle approximately 2 in long and
00:33:32
3/4 of an inch wide around Denise's neck there were two leat one was a cord the other was an elastic bandage attached to
00:33:41
the cord was a cylindrical object approximately 4 in Long made of terry cloth towel
00:33:47
material the theory at the time is the elastic bandage was pulled over her face to make some type of
00:33:54
blindfold the terry cloth object was a carefully handmade and hand sewn gag you said there was discrepancies on what the
00:34:02
findings were like on what they were wearing what two of the girls were wearing yeah these would be both of the
00:34:07
girls in the sleeping bags right but you would assume with all these pictures being taken that we'd have evidence so
00:34:13
we could look back on and say well this is what the photo says yes and so where I think that lies is that I don't think
00:34:21
there's a discrepancy for the investigators I think there's a discrepancy for the general public
00:34:28
because I wouldn't assume that all of the photos have been released publicly right the other thing here before we
00:34:34
move on regarding some of the other items found and some of the evidence out there Captain is this this terry cloth
00:34:41
object which has been noted as carefully handmade hand sewn okay so whether it was intended to be made as a gag you
00:34:51
know to gag one of the girls or if it was just made for something else and then used as a potential gag it's
00:34:57
interesting to me because it's referenced as a carefully handmade hands sewn object right right
00:35:04
so this is very likely a one-of-a-kind object and we've seen this in several cases that we've covered
00:35:11
before where we have objects or things that were used materials that were used in dumping of a body or binding a person
00:35:20
or binding a victim that are oneof a kind and later we see those items photographed and photog s of such
00:35:27
released to the public because again they're one of a kind somebody out there uh knows about should know about these
00:35:34
items especially if the killer didn't make it yeah even if you can just identify the material if we know where
00:35:40
that material came from maybe we can figure out who bought that material and we saw this specifically in the Amy
00:35:46
mahalic case where we have this this thing that was probably used to move her body or to cover up her body when it
00:35:53
lied in the field but it was somebody repur purposed this item somebody put some work into this item and
00:36:00
unfortunately in Amy's case we didn't get this wasn't released to the public until 20 some years later now I don't
00:36:07
know I couldn't go back and find if this this particular terry cloth object was released publicly or pictures of it
00:36:15
publicly at the time of the initial investigation the other item we have is that flashlight so this is a red and
00:36:23
white 9volt flashlight this is a bulky almost rectangle shaped flashlight with a large handle on top with the light and
00:36:31
lens in the front these are very typical you see them in a lot of homes and a lot
00:36:36
of people use these and purchase these for camping right this is also possibly the blunt object that was used in the
00:36:44
beating very likely and the other thing too we we talked about uh Wayne Gravette
00:36:49
his case not too long ago just a few weeks ago this is a similar flashlight to the one that was used to make into a
00:36:56
bomb for that case now the lens for this flashlight was covered by a piece of dark green or black garbage bag there's
00:37:06
I've had several people I've read several sites that state that it's dark green I wasn't there and I don't think
00:37:12
these people were there when I see pictures of this flashlight this material this plastic
00:37:20
material appears to be black to me right this is attached to the lens and it was
00:37:25
attached with mask tape and a small hole was placed in the plastic presumably so
00:37:31
that only a tiny beam of muted light would shine through inside the flashlight investigators found a section
00:37:38
of newspaper wedged inside the flashlights battery compartment this very likely intended to
00:37:44
keep the battery in place the paper the newspaper was from the April 17th edition of Tulsa
00:37:52
World investigators entered tent number8 and they found it stained and splattered
00:37:57
with blood there were large blood stains on the wooden floor particularly near the cot in the Southeast Corner the
00:38:05
blood stains on the floor were smeared like someone had tried to wipe them up possibly even using the sheets and
00:38:11
blankets from the Cs which we know were found in the sleeping bags with the two girls so the girls were attacked most
00:38:19
likely in the tent there were no drag marks at the spot where the girl's bodies were found so they were likely
00:38:26
car carried from the tent over to this spot and then piled under the tree some of the girls clothing was found nearby
00:38:35
they found two different types of footprints on the floor one a tennis shoe design size seven and the other was
00:38:43
a military style bootprint estimated to be in the size of 10 to 11 range now you're saying male sizes that I don't
00:38:52
know for certain um I would assume that when we're talking about military style bootprint and it being size 10 to 11
00:39:01
range we're we're looking at maale prints there the interesting thing though is the tennis shoe design size
00:39:07
seven right you could speculate really either I guess investigators saw that the screw hooks holding the back flap of
00:39:16
the tent were unscrewed and they were placed on the ground they guess that the killer entered the tent from the back
00:39:23
now this is is this exactly how it happened with the counil t as well that's a really good question
00:39:30
the description is that the flaps may have been opened in the counselor's tent but but you paint an interesting picture
00:39:38
here when you're trying to see this crime go down or the events of that night do we have an individual or
00:39:45
individuals that are they're going up to the back of the tents and like you said
00:39:50
they're their canvas material these walls right so you could perch down and kind of Crouch there and wait to see if
00:39:58
you hear anybody talking inside right and if you go minutes and minutes and minutes with no talking now you get
00:40:04
Brazen enough and you say all right well I'm going to lift open this back portion
00:40:08
and just kind of peek in you know where it wouldn't be as noticeable as opening up one of the flaps yeah I don't know
00:40:14
how one perches and crouches at the same time but it's difficult you have to be talented yeah or or I could just learn
00:40:23
to speak so we have the camp counselor's tent Plus another seven tents mhm so eight in
00:40:29
total was there things done to other tents well unless you count the story of one of the campers saying hey somebody
00:40:38
opened up our our flap to our tent and looked in then the answer would be no well we have the one flaps that were cut
00:40:46
but they were cut the day before correct so the difficult thing here with the statement from one of the young campers
00:40:53
that says hey somebody at some point opened up our our flap looked in the tent you know shining a light in there
00:40:59
and all I saw was a large shadowy figure right I don't know that we can say for certain that that is one of the killers
00:41:08
or the killer walking around looking for a tent or looking for a victim it very well could have been a counselor that
00:41:16
thought they heard something and was just simply checking in on the tent and didn't want to wake up the sleeping
00:41:22
campers you know and if you have one girl that's lying there and opens up her eyes and sees this happen but doesn't
00:41:29
move the counselor doesn't know that that kid's you know sleeping so that's difficult to say because the interesting
00:41:36
thing with that is that the tent that the camper says Hey somebody opened up our flap and looked in at some point
00:41:43
right was the tent that was next to number eight which all the victims came from so if it was the killer did that
00:41:52
have did he see something inside and that tell him hey I'm moving on to another tent 15 additional agents arrived to
00:42:02
conduct searches of the general area this by early afternoon and by 300 p.m. a mobile lab and command post and a
00:42:10
converted 25ft motor home arrived from Oklahoma City agents and State Police began questioning the kowa counselors as
00:42:17
well as the other adults at Camp ambulances transported the dead bodies to the medical examiner's office for
00:42:26
autopsies swabs were taken from each victim the bodies were combed all loose hairs and fingernail clippings were
00:42:33
collected three hairs from a piece of duct tape found on Denise Milner's hands were placed in an Evidence bag and
00:42:41
sealed all cords were cut away to preserve the knots for future study the entire section of blood stained floor of
00:42:49
the tent was removed and taken away the autopsy results were very upsetting Denise suffered blunt trauma to the head
00:42:58
and died of strangulation she was sexually assaulted there were lacerations on her genitalia and
00:43:05
fragments of leaves and debris were found in her what was the trauma consistent with that flashlight or did
00:43:12
they ever report that that's really difficult to say because there was another item that was found nearby I
00:43:17
believe it was a like a crowbar or a a tire changing tool right and they couldn't say for certain where this
00:43:26
force trauma came from many have have thought over the years that it probably came from that crowbar or the tire
00:43:33
changing tool but there is no definitive statement given regarding those the blunt force trauma suffer to her head
00:43:42
Michelle was killed by blows to the back of her head and the sides of her head with contusions to the brain this
00:43:49
leading investigators to believe that she was either lying down or standing with her back to the as salent when she
00:43:55
was was struck there were indications that she was sexually assaulted Lori died the same way blows to the Head she
00:44:03
was also sexually assaulted it's believed both Lori and Michelle were assaulted after they were dead estimated
00:44:11
time of death is as early as 2: a.m. but noted that it's likely most likely between 4: and 6:
00:44:20
a.m. a lot of officers and a lot of agencies the investigators generally agreed that the murderer entered the
00:44:28
tent through the back struck two girls sleeping on the south side of the tent killing them or at least incapacitating
00:44:36
them there wasn't much blood on Denise's bed leading agents to believe that she may have been tied up in the tent gagged
00:44:43
or strangled so she could not scream then taken outside of the tent assaulted in the woods where she was found
00:44:52
regarding the other things that went missing that night uh these were the purses belonging to D and Suzanne that
00:44:59
disappeared sometime in that night yeah Suzanne's purse which she had sewn herself out of old blue jeans contained
00:45:07
a pair of sunglasses in a case pairs of glasses belonging to Suzanne and Carla were missing as well Carla didn't
00:45:15
realize this until June 14th when she was finally allowed to return to her tent right at least one pair of glasses
00:45:23
was found discarded in the bushes near the death scene well this gets weird because then you wonder is it somebody
00:45:29
messing with the scene afterwards or were these items actually taken that night that night yeah then if they were
00:45:35
taken that night did the perpetrator come through the front of the tent or did he come through the back because we
00:45:41
know flaps of the back were taken off yeah and you have like you said there's like 24 hours that go by before we are
00:45:50
told that this item actually went missing right so there's been some thought regarding the glasses that were
00:45:58
found you know they're removed from the tent they're found near the death scene in the bushes almost as if they were
00:46:03
just like tossed away yeah and someone many people have said that it was almost like someone was trying them on or for
00:46:11
whatever reason stole them and decided to toss them at the last minute investigators collected a pillowcase
00:46:18
from the scene stained with Seaman in the course of the investigation every adult at Camp Scott and all of the
00:46:25
children in the Kwa Unit were interviewed by agents all counselors were asked about their sex lives
00:46:32
investigators looked at Ben Woodward the camp Ranger he was actually a suspect very early on Ben was the last person
00:46:39
that we know of to enter Camp Scott that Sunday night so how they approach that H
00:46:45
how's your sex life Colonel you mean regarding the interviewing the counselors right right how do you think
00:46:52
they went about that well and me being I'd be such a jackass that I you know they'd be like
00:46:59
how's your sex life Captain I'd say it's kinky okay well so there were there was
00:47:05
some evidence or at least some things at the scene that led some of the investigators to believe now mind you
00:47:13
this is before they received the autopsy reports right right there were some things found at the scene that led some
00:47:19
investigators to believe that the sexual assaults might have been might have been perpetrated by a
00:47:26
female so I think what they're trying to figure out here is everyone's you know sex preferences right and and we also
00:47:35
have the situation where we have a camp full of girls a camp full of female counselors and very few men that are
00:47:42
working at this area Ben I think Ben Woodward the camp Ranger I think he really you know I said he was a suspect
00:47:51
early on I don't think he technically was a suspect I think it's just the straight up fact that according to the
00:47:58
books he's the last individual that is known to have entered the camp that night yeah and he was the one that
00:48:05
locked the gate so his story is this his daughter she's grown or at least older and she worked somewhere in town off the
00:48:15
campgrounds yeah he had to pick her up from her work drive her back to their home and after returning he locked the
00:48:22
gate this around 10:45 p.m. only Ben Woodward and Barbara day had keys to this gate is it possible that he left it
00:48:31
unlocked when he went to go pick up his daughter because that would give somebody an opportunity to get a vehicle
00:48:37
on the property and maybe park it in a in a position where he wouldn't know about it's possible but according to his
00:48:45
statement he when he was told of what had happened at the camp yeah he his first course of action was to go to the
00:48:53
gate unlock it waiting for for police to arrive so he could lead them to where he's been told that the first girl was
00:49:01
found they did search his home that day they found nothing of evidentiary value and he did take and pass a polygraph
00:49:10
test with flying colors his wife was his Alibi you know she said you know he returned home at around 10:45 and was
00:49:17
with me all night and she took a polygraph and passed one as well right Ben told law enforcement that the camp
00:49:25
had been subject to break-ins in the off season with supplies and food stolen more than once yeah but isn't that
00:49:31
pretty common with any Campground I would think so yeah the most recent break-in occurred several
00:49:38
weeks before the camp opened this is supported by several other associates it seems the break-ins were considered
00:49:45
harmless almost a reality of life in the remote wooded area right you know I I know some guys that have places way out
00:49:54
in the middle of nowhere that they use cabins for hunting or for fishing or both and they go there a handful of
00:50:00
times each year and they always say hey when I when I show up for that first time and haven't been there in a while
00:50:07
there's things that are changed on my cabin or on my ground somebody has been squatting there for a night or two right
00:50:15
on the 14th a local farmer named Jack shroof showed up at Camp Scott with his adult son he heard about the murders on
00:50:24
the news Jack told Sheriff Weaver his Farmhouse was broken into at some point after 300 p.m. on June 12th the Sunday
00:50:32
when the campers arrived at Camp Scott so the day leading into the night of the murders right so possibly these Breakin
00:50:41
have something to do with the murder the murders that night well at the very least shof seems to believe they may
00:50:48
have you know and his property it's 110 acre property it's located about a mile west of Camp Scott shof was there until
00:50:58
Sunday the 12th until about 3 p.m. so he knows that hey I've not been there since
00:51:03
this time when I returned I noticed that my home was broken into right it had to
00:51:08
have happened after 3 p.m. on the 12th so the agents went to The Farmhouse and they found that the door was kicked in
00:51:15
and they found a bootprint on the doormat now shof reported that a roll of black duct tape was missing as well as
00:51:23
two sixpacks of paps Blue Ribbon and a crowbar after thorough searches three empty PBR bottles and a crowbar were
00:51:32
found in the Southeast corner of Camp Scott cord matching the cord that had tied up the girls was found in the
00:51:39
shroof home shof identified the duct tape found at Camp Scott as looking like duct tape that he had in his house but
00:51:48
he could not identify the flashlight that they found now shrof immediately became a suspect agents theorized the
00:51:55
burglary could be just a coverup you know shof came up with when he realized he left his flashlight and tape and
00:52:04
other items at the scene and that his fingerprints would be found on these items the other thing that's very
00:52:10
curious here too Captain is his timing saying that hey my home was broken into sometime after 300 p.m. on the 12th well
00:52:19
we know that that was the day that the campers arrived but it's also the timing the time that the campers ared red he's
00:52:26
almost purposely removing himself I mean he could be truthfully removing himself
00:52:31
or purposefully removing himself from that area at the exact time that the later would be victims are arriving to
00:52:39
the camp all right so this this Wackadoo he has access and some of his items that quote
00:52:47
unquote his barn was broken into his property was broken into these items are found at the scene correct so but we
00:52:57
don't think he has motive does he have an alibi what's going to clear this individual so this is a tricky thing
00:53:05
because he was immediately targeted by the media as a child killer you know that they even I believe the headlines
00:53:13
say child Slayer on the newspaper the next day and they have a big picture of him on the newspaper yeah that would
00:53:21
that' be really nice youd come forward trying to help the police and this is what they get you not the police but the
00:53:27
media he shf immediately agreed and assisted in any in all parts of the investigation that he could he went in
00:53:36
for questioning and he cooperated he took a polygraph pass the polygraph test now it wasn't just that that cleared him
00:53:46
because by all accounts he has been 100% cleared of any involvement in the crime
00:53:52
and this is because he had multip mple properties sh was fairly well to do he had several Alibis that placed him
00:54:02
nowhere near the area at the time when the murders occurred he wasn't in town at that time right so but it does take
00:54:09
some time to track these things down and figure these things out and clear this guy but before they could he's labeled
00:54:16
by the media as the killer well they would bring in tracking dogs and once these tracking dogs were
00:54:24
brought in OSBI agents did something interesting they brought the doormat from The shroof Farmhouse the one that
00:54:32
had the discernible bootprint on it they brought this to the dogs at Camp Scott and they gave it to them for as scent to
00:54:39
follow the dogs led the agents right back to The shr's Farmhouse and pond area where a burned campfire was found a
00:54:48
burn out campfire this is interesting because it means that the killer went straight from The Farmhouse
00:54:56
you know from burglarizing The Farmhouse sometime after 300 p.m. on Sunday to Camp Scott possibly right mhm so well
00:55:03
according to the dogs right unless because he these items that were placed at the crime scene were taken from the
00:55:11
home right so somebody broke into this home brought those items with them and went to Camp Scott so how did the
00:55:19
burglar know that the house would be empty we I mean we don't know for certain but did the Burg break into the
00:55:26
house and happen upon the duct tape and rope and decide to go kill some girls this seems very unlikely right now one
00:55:34
thing that Jack shroof told investigators was that his Farmhouse had been repeatedly broken into six seven or
00:55:41
eight times yeah put some locks on the door he says well when they found the door it was kicked in I was joking uh he
00:55:50
said usually what was taken from the house was food and tools right um but you have to wonder is it possible
00:55:57
that the killer knew that he would find these items at The Farmhouse because he had been there before possibly having
00:56:04
some squatters in the area because of the Wilderness you there's a lot of times you can get some of that goes hey
00:56:11
I can set up a tent I can set up a little Campground for myself break into to the neighboring houses and I can live
00:56:17
off this land for at least a few weeks which also makes you wonder if you're going to ask those questions did the
00:56:23
killer go to this Farmhouse with the intention of breaking into it to steal items to commit
00:56:31
murders yeah did this killer or Killers did they know that there would be 140 campers showing up that day at Camp
00:56:41
Scott I don't know and how much was this person keeping an eye on this area anyway on Thursday so this is 4
00:56:50
days after the bodies were discovered a pair of tennis shoes and socks inside a bag l labed Denise Milner were found on
00:56:57
the front steps of a camp Scott Building being used as a command post by all accounts I could find they were
00:57:04
definitely not there the whole time someone placed them there this was right after someone reported seeing a man in
00:57:11
the woods for the third night of that week investigators used dogs but they couldn't find anything they couldn't
00:57:18
track anything they even strung up thread between trees that was found broken the next day and footprints were
00:57:25
found as well but no trace of anyone someone was clearly in the area moving around at
00:57:32
[Music] night a lot more to get to in episode 2 and three of the Oklahoma Girl Scout
00:57:43
murders yep and we will see everybody back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't
00:57:53
litter [Music] [Applause] [Music] Angie's List is now Angie and we've heard a lot of theories about why I
00:58:23
thought it was an Eco move wor less paper no it was so you could say it faster no it's to be more iconic must be
00:58:31
a tech thing but those aren't quite right it's because now you can compare upfront prices book a service instantly
00:58:38
and even get your project handled from start to finish sounds easy it is and it makes us so much more than just a list
00:58:44
get started at angie.com that's ngi or download the app today