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true [Music] crime it's been nearly 8 years since Chelsea Small a hardworking mother of
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two was murdered in Taylor Michigan Chelsea Small picked up a shift and was working alone on November 12th 2013 at
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the Advan America check cashing place on Telegraph Road around lunchtime a man with a gun walked in and shot small
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twice killing her officials said he took a small amount of cash from the scene according to the authorities and this
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man the shooter has never been identified Chelsea Small's murder was brutal and unprovoked but her family and
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the Taylor Police Department have not given up hope and we are hoping we can help in some kind of way to prevent the
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case from going cold all of the evidence in the case was gathered the day small was shot the bullets used were put into
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a National Database to track them no matches were found if robbery was the motive investigators question why
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Chelsea Small was shot first when she had access to much more money nothing in her background would indicate that the
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shooting was personal according to police and according to Detective stellini Taylor PD the ex-boyfriend was
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looked at people closest to the victim were looked at according to at least one news article it was determined that the
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X was not involved there is a hefty reward in this case $52,500 $50,00 of that comes by way of
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the Advanced America company and 2,500 comes from the Michigan Crim Stoppers and if you watch the surveillance video
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footage and recognize anything or think of anything or should you have any kind of information at all we are directing
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everyone to Michigan Crim Stoppers and you can submit those tips by calling 1800 speak up that's 1 1800 773 2587 or
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go online to to 1 1800e up.org to submit a tip this case has been covered very well especially in the Michigan area the
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Taylor Michigan area all of the major news outlets ran portions of the security footage on the day after
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Chelsea Small was killed shortly afterwards Billboards went up where they had a picture of Chelsea Small on one
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side and a picture that was taken from the surveillance footage on the other of the killer asking people to call in with
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tips can you identify this man do you know anything and 2017 True Crime daily or crime watch
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Daily covered Chelsea Small's case and in 2018 the already gone podcast did a fantastic job covering the case as well
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but it was in that 2017 year here Captain where we learn some new information police starting to run out
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of leads and running out of tips decided it was time to release some new information to the public and this was a
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rather big piece of information in 2017 the Taylor Michigan Police Department announced that a
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silencer was used in the commission of these crimes the Killer's gun had a silencer on it when he walked into the
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advaned America building that day which when you look at the still pictures maybe you wouldn't notice it from the
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video but when you look at the still pictures the barrel of the gun looks thinner and longer so it looks like a
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typical gun with a silencer on it well and there's all kinds of different versions of that surveillance footage
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that has been released throughout the years in 2013 14 15 and 16 it was a much shorter version where they had cut out
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the information so you wouldn't see the gun with the silencer on it because when
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they posted this new information then it made its way around the internet there were people that commented and said uh
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who's investigating this case I could see a silencer right away well yeah you're seeing the the footage that was
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released after they said there was a silen or used right so this was something that the police were holding
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on to in hopes that it could help be the break in their case that they needed to
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identify Chelsea Small's shooter now up until a couple of months ago I just thought silencers were illegal I only
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know them from movies and TV you know I picture ba baracus or Steven Seagal building their own weapons but a
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silencer as they are most commonly called or a suppressor as others prefer to say what is the correct terminology
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is there a difference well according to silencershop.com the short answer is there is no difference the silencer and
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suppressor mean the same thing technically I prefer suppressor as silencer gives off the wrong impression
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it's not silent you know there still is a noise the definition of a silencer is silencer also known as sound suppressor
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suppressor or sound moderator is a muzzle device that reduces the acoustic intensity of the muzzle report or sound
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of a gunshot and The Recoil when a gun is discharged by modulating the speed and pressure of the propellant gas from
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the muzzle and hence suppressing the muzzle blast this is incredibly unique it's an incredibly unique aspect to this
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case for several reasons first according to Taylor police detectives they say they only have about three four maybe
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five homicides a year and it's very rare that they go unsolved most homicides somebody gets mad at
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somebody for something they attack them they kill them or fight escalates somebody is brutally injured and dies
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right easily solved so homicides rare in Taylor Michigan one much more rare that they go unsolved
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second robberies are fairly rare especially when a gun is used and very very rare when shots are even fired in
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Taylor Michigan and here's the big thing too they could not they being the detectives in Taylor Michigan could not
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find a single case where a silencer or suppressor was used in any crime in fact they reached
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out to surrounding police departments they couldn't find any crime where a silencer was known to have been
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used so extremely rare and then you go well maybe this helps us find the killer so I went and I spoke with some well I
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have a question real quick yeah because does the suppressor or silencer does it alter the bullet in any way because
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let's say you had a family that was murdered all by gunshots but you didn't have any
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surveillance footage you wouldn't know if that gun had a suppressor on or not unless it affects the way the bullet
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comes out or the impression that's left on the bullet well yeah that's correct when when when something's unknown it is
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unknown so they're simply saying in cases where they know what happened they know what went down they have evidence
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as to how it went down weapons used things of that nature there's no record of a suppressor being used in any other
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crime in that they could find in Taylor Michigan kind of makes you wonder like was this just a hit job because now I
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could shoot her in and in broad daylight and as long as people just don't hear it
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I can get in and out really quickly right so the the suppressor is certainly going to make it less likely that people
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would hear a loud gunshot but again it doesn't silence the action right but what I'm
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but what I'd like to know is like if somebody shot somebody in a car and the windows were up would I know it
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was a gunshot if I was next door if I was in one of the stores next door to this murder would I even have heard any
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loud noise or Ruckus would I would I known it was a gunshot at all it's difficult to say I mean every eyewitness
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is a different situation and one's general knowledge of things and experiences in their life all determine
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that so I mean we have had had situations where people were firing guns without suppressors and people didn't
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hear gunshots right and so I cannot say what the you know we did say two of the other businesses were occupied so you
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were hoping that somebody would see or hear something but from everything I'm being told there's there is no one that
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saw or heard anything in in this case so it's it's kind of like a if a tree falls
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in the in the middle of the Woods kind of scenario but so I I went to some gun experts because I I have a couple guns I
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do not know much about them at all uh so again I thought silencers were illegal I
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wanted to find out more than just what the internet could tell me so I want to give a shout out to uh my guys over at
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Don's loans on Africa Road they are gun experts if you were looking to buy or sell those are your dudes what they told
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me Captain was that only certain and this makes sense why somebody like me would think that they may be illegal
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because they're not sold in every gun store in fact the gun store I went to didn't have any MH you have to hold a
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certain kind of License to be able to sell an item like a suppressor now let's take this a step
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further if you want to purchase one you have to hold a certain kind of License to purchase one so what is that
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you have to get a suppressor tax stamp and I'll go through this because again this is to to Really illustrate
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how rare it would be that somebody would have one of these in their possession and then then use it in a homicide so a
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suppressor tax stamp is a $200 federal tax that was introduced in 1934 for the purchase of NFA Firearms when it was
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first first implemented $200 you know 1934 was an astronomical fee so what that means is they made the fee so high
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that back then nobody would really be able to pay this or want to pay this to own an item like
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this yeah but but that's not how all criminals work they don't go well let me go pay for this suppressor fee they find
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another way to get a suppressor sir well yes thank you um that is absolutely true
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but again trying to illustrate how rare these items would be so now today 200 bucks is not a lot of money back in 1934
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for an example the average net income was $3,125 so 200 bucks would be about 6.5% of one's annual income so a big
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amount of money back then 200 bucks now you know people that's a steak dinner and a night out on the town people can
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part with that where you come into an issue is if I were to walk into a gun store today that has the license to sell
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such an item I walk up and I I purchase the item I pay for the suppressor that day and then I'm handed forms to fill
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out I fill out these forms and this is me applying for that tax stamp this tax stamp
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is for the ATF this goes to the feds right and the thing about this is I have to be approved so you can become Steven
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Sagal and our government doesn't do anything fast so that approval process is approximately 6 to n months that's
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your cooling off period if you will so it's a long time from wanting to buy it paying for the suppressor applying
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getting approved and then actually receiving the item being able to own the item the stamp itself where it becomes
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even more significant is it's a federal document it's a federal stamp so meaning
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at any time like you and I here Captain let's say you own a suppressor I have three and you sell it to me on the
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street never sell you anything well at any time for the rest of your life the ATF could knock on your door and say Mr
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Captain we want to see your suppressor physically show it to us we see that you have a tax stamp I'd say come on in have
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some cake at Sarah Lee so that is where it becomes an issue of you know how did this guy get this thing did he obtain it
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legally if he did he's probably on a fairly short list yeah if he obtained it illegally where did he get it from if he
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bought it from somebody then there's somebody that that sold it to him illegally Steven S um and that's where a
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lot of things come into question now we're going to take this a step further because one possible lead in
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this case when it comes to the suppressor angle of it is from this this is from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco firearms
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and explosives the ATF for short they left out the E for whatever reason mhm they are offering
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$2,500 this is a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a man responsible for the burglary and
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theft of several firearms and Firearm silencers from a Jackson gun store the article goes on to say that on May 8th
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this is 203 sometime around 4:30 p.m. a man went to a Showbox box shbox I hope I'm saying that right nope
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s c h u p b a c Sporting Goods store on Pearl Street and hid inside of a closet after the business closed around
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8:00 p.m. the man stole multiple firearms and Firearm suppressors from the store the thief is believed to be a
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white male with a stocky build brown colored collar length hair that covers his ears he was wearing a long dark
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colored shirt dark colored cargo pants a dark colored watch on his left wrist and
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light colored shoes or boots and how much time was this before the murder took place so this Captain would be six
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months and a couple days before Chelsea Small was shot and killed because if you
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see a picture of this individual he looks a lot like the individual in the surveillance footage what it called
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advanced advanced America yeah Advanced America surveillance footage the problem
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that a lot of people have with this guy being a suspect is he looks like he's considerably heavier 6 months beforehand
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but it doesn't mean the guy didn't lose some weight in the meantime could have lost weight again the other thing too
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though in both cases we I think would be remiss to think that even though it's not obvious that he's wearing any type
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of Disguise he could be wearing some type of disguise right you know I've often wondered in Chelsea's case the hat
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is the Hat simply made to make sure that the wig doesn't fall off mhm cuz that hair is is pretty big right like it it
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almost looks a little fake and I'm not saying that it is this is all speculation on my end but yeah but if
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you said to me that you know for a fact that that's fake hair just the eye test I'd go okay I buy that that makes sense
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well here's the really weird things that that I'm going to take it a step further
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in comparing the two crimes and again we can't we're not saying that they're absolutely connected I find it very
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bizarre that there is someone that steals supressors and there's a suppressor used
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both seem to be extremely rare crimes yeah how bizar how bizar how bizar they take place about six months apart from
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one another and in the correct order the suppressors are stolen before the victim
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is shot right right and and the guy you want to drive go ahead the guy looks like the same type of character yeah I
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mean you're you're not looking at both of the this camera footage and immediately going nope not the same guy
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yeah if I was looking for a a fat [ __ ] murderer to play in a movie this you know either one of these guys could fit
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the role could play both roles maybe yeah and so the other thing too captain then if you want to drive doorstep to
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doorstep from this uh shbox Showbox I I'm never going to pronounce that correctly sh shopbox Shop boox people in
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Michigan are yelling at me right now shop boox I love you Michigan yeah anyway uh if you were to drive from the
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sporting goods store to the advaned America again 6 months apart but doorstep to doorstep it's like an hour
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and 5 minute drive yeah so it puts this individual on the same vicinity yeah so let's take this a step further too the
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the things that I'm thinking about one with Advance America the day of Tuesday the the shortest hours of operation four
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hours they're only open for four hours on that day she's by herself if he in fact planned this out and his plan his
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Target was the victim and not necessarily the money or let's say it was a random
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killing that you're targeting a victim you just don't really care who it is he picked a good
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day because it's short hours less people to encounter in the parking lot inside less staff to encounter inside he
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doesn't seem to make a move for the safe as the investigators point out she had access to more money if that's what he
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was looking for again maybe he maybe he got tipped off that she hit the alarm and and that
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was the result but it looks to me like he's producing the gun and ready to shoot very quickly in once he walks into
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the building yeah but we've all seen Point Break before once you realize you can't go for the safe you know that's
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that's one of the biggest mistakes but first-degree murder is a is a hefty charge for $200 if that's your end goal
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and yeah but but but we don't know if the end goal was $200 right the end goal would have been to obviously get more
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money but but you know going into it you're not going for the safe is what you just pointed out right no but what
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I'm what what I'm saying is if this individual came up with a plan okay this is what I'm going to do I know that
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there's only one worker at this spot I know they're only open up for a few hours I'm going to go in
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maybe he had a a a ruse I'm going to say this depending on what she does or if I
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see her go for that button I'm going to shoot her dead and then I'm going to go to this area and gather up all the money
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I can and it was a perfect plan other the other than the fact that when he got out of the place he went I got about 250
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bucks of course certainly a possibility I'm wondering though how methodical this
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individual is I'm convinced he's wearing gloves I'm convinced that the outfit that he is
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wearing was purposeful that it was put together by him I believe he was working alone I believe he chose that day I
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don't know if he was targeting Chelsea Small specifically cuz how would he know how would he know that she was covering
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for somebody else exactly I also think that it's likelihood that he may have parked
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somewhere if he was working alone that would have have had to have been the case now again Advanced America and the
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other businesses are bookended by additional parking he could have simply parked further from the door M uh in one
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of those parking spaces but then let's go look at the Sporting Goods theft okay this is very
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interesting to me the store we know what time he entered the store approximately
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at 4:30 p.m. and then he manages to hide in a closet I don't know if this was like a dressing room or or utility
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closet or or what they don't specify but he hid in a closet and he doesn't come out and steal the stuff until 8:00 p.m.
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now why do I think that that shows some significance okay this shows planning to
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me again the store closed at 5:00 p.m. mhm he knew that he walked in at 4:30 he knows it's not going to be long before
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they close up for the day and at some point these people are going to leave a dumb criminal would have been impulsive
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and would have come out from that closet could be while there were still staff members in the store yes he waited
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a long time the dude seemed to be very patient now I I can't say for certain Captain we can't obviously maybe he's in
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there and it's very obvious he can hear people talking or noises and he knows that there are people still actively in
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the store yeah well I think he we've all worked in these types of businesses and
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usually it's a it's a staggering process of of the employees leaving right when a
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store closes there's usually a good amount of people that shuffle out fairly quickly well I think he had a couple
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jelly donuts and passed out by accident you know just got got a little tired got
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a little carb heavy and had to take a nap and then you may only have one single person locking up for the night
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at some point that that some in some cases has to stay there an additional hour or hours after the other people has
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have left so let's take this a step further too with the the theft of these no but I want to I want to stay on your
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point for a second because I think it's really good one we don't know exactly why he would have waited that long but
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there right it could be just to play it safe well wanted to play it safe maybe somebody was picking him up at 8:00
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maybe whatever transportation that he had or maybe he thought that uh maybe he knew something about the police
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department is there a change over around that time so it' be harder for them to get to him quickly once the alarm went
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off that's very interesting there could be a multitude of different reasons why he chose but the fact that he was
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disciplined enough and and that's and that's what I'm wondering if he's just simply going hey I'm going to rob this
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store and this is this is my plan and I'm going to stick to my plan well I only got 250 bucks and maybe that's why
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the people in the back hi to the people on the back all right Captain to your point you bring up an interesting
00:31:15
thought there again in the gun theft case at the sporting goods store we don't have anybody saying they see this
00:31:23
guy get into a vehicle we don't have surveillance footage of him getting into a vehicle no vehicle description at all
00:31:30
and then let's go through the description of the perpetrator in the gun theft as well one more time he has
00:31:39
collar length hair that covers his ears stocky build believed to be a white male
00:31:44
he's wearing a long dark colored shirt dark colored cargo pants a dark colored watch on his left wrist and a light
00:31:53
colored shoes or boots okay we had light colored shoes and boots boots in the Advan America shooting right the other
00:32:00
thing too in this description there's no identifiers again it's all kind of plain
00:32:06
Jane nonidentifiable Clothing solid colors very nothing to indicate where this guy might be from anything that
00:32:16
he's interested in things of that nature I mean if I had a bed it's the same dude
00:32:21
well if anybody has information in that case that one you should not contact Crim Stoppers or the Taylor Michigan
00:32:30
Police Department because they may not be connected the ATF the feds are investigating this thing and you can
00:32:37
call them at800 ATF guns to report any that you think you may be seeing in the the footage or the pictures of the
00:32:46
person that stole that the thing that I do want to point out whether these crimes are connected or not both of
00:32:52
these individuals are very very dangerous people right the public is not safe with either of these people out
00:32:59
running around yeah one clearly showed how dangerous he is he just walks into a business and gun somebody down well
00:33:07
that's what I'm saying and it could have been a random person it mean you sat down and based on every movie we've seen
00:33:15
right and we came up with this well look you know we work right by this check cashing place and they only have one
00:33:22
employee on Tuesdays so me and you we're going to go in there together well what
00:33:29
if she recognizes us okay well if you sit down right that that's what I'm saying if you sit down and try to create
00:33:36
a plan You' go okay well let's just get this out of the way I just shoot her if I shoot her and kill her then we
00:33:44
don't have to worry about any eyewitness and when you say oh well the best eyewitness he didn't get read of
00:33:51
the camera really they're taking better pictures on Mars you know what I mean how many times have
00:34:00
we seen but again no it is the best it's the better of the two eyewitnesses if she doesn't know him because this is
00:34:08
something you can show to a thousand 2,000 10,000 other people well look I I believe if it's the same individual and
00:34:17
if I had a bet I would bet that the guy that robbed the gun store and the guy that that committed this murder and
00:34:23
robbery are the same person he was in that gun store multiple times beforehand I believe he was in this check cashing
00:34:29
place multiple times before that so yes would she uh recognize him maybe and and maybe I think the gun with
00:34:40
the silencer on it it he it was already set in his mind leave no eyewitness and maybe that's why he picked a shorter
00:34:49
work day where there was only one employee so he he wouldn't have to you know maybe he was looking around to make
00:34:55
sure there was only one employee but almost seems like he knew the short day one employee gloves on the hands
00:35:03
silencer on the gun tells me we're dealing with someone who is very careful very planned out very methodical very
00:35:10
careful the individual that sits and remains inside this closet for 3 and a half hours manages to hide inside the
00:35:19
closet without being seen going in there and then Waits three and a half hours before coming out and stealing these
00:35:24
items well that's watch he watched home alone too very very thought out and careful so let's I want to go into some
00:35:32
of the details of this theft though this is according to WX news because other than the description of the
00:35:40
man by the ATF we don't get a lot of information there but in this article there is more information and it says
00:35:47
the individual came out of hiding and stole two firearms and 15 firearm silencers or suppressors Donald Dawkins
00:35:56
at the Detroit ATF field office told WWJ news radio 950s this is a rare case because the
00:36:05
thief scene took a few handguns but passed up several high-powered automatic weapons to grab several silencers quote
00:36:15
but he had the opportunity to take many more meaning guns and he did not Dawkin said we believe he had been in the store
00:36:24
before and he knew exactly what he wanted to take those Mufflers those depressors were his main target and
00:36:32
Dawkins goes on to ask the question why would someone go by pass up the Firearms
00:36:41
to go for the suppressors well like you said it's you you have a waiting list you have a waiting list you have a and
00:36:48
your name tied to that item forever and your name tied to that forever so so one
00:36:54
if you want to commit another crime using one this is a great way to get one but it's also probably a great item in
00:37:01
the black market an item that has demand in the black market that's for sure and
00:37:07
yes they're also a smaller item than a gun so a lot easier to carry and again we don't know this this guy could be
00:37:14
riding a bicycle for all we know well and I think it goes without saying but we're going to say it anyway because we
00:37:20
should we're we're asking the public for their help we're asking we're telling them hey we're going to tell you and
00:37:26
show you what we know now can you tell us anything in return and one thing that the police all the Departments involved
00:37:34
because you have Taylor Police Department in Chelsea Small's case you have Jackson Police Department in this
00:37:39
gun theft and plus the ATF working the gun theft and suppressor theft as well but all of the agencies are saying the
00:37:47
same thing about these individuals mhm whether it's the same guy or not the same guy they're saying the same thing
00:37:54
the person that did either of these crimes or did both of these crimes is obviously very experienced with guns
00:38:03
they would have a great knowledge of firearms yeah probably military background could be military background
00:38:10
police background they even said you they would be concerned about people that work at gun ranges frequent gun
00:38:16
ranges they're hoping that by getting out this information that somebody can go oh I well I know a guy like that or I
00:38:23
know a guy that owns similar items or I've seen him using or talking about these items and to take it a step
00:38:30
further you know we put it in the ATF case in the theft where they say we're pretty certain this guy knew what he was
00:38:38
looking for knew exactly what he wanted to steal what he wanted to leave the store with that day mhm and then in
00:38:45
Chelsea's case remember we have two shots fired and one shot that malfunctioned it either jammed or
00:38:51
malfunctioned for some reason now the officers have said a few things about about that that I find to be very
00:38:59
interesting one there is more surveillance footage we're seeing a shorten version of that but what they
00:39:07
have told me is that they are not certain why the gun malfunctioned and he had to drop that live round but that's
00:39:16
something that you actually that's an action you have to do right as the the operator of that firearm you have to
00:39:24
recognize that it jammed or malfunctioned you have to clear that round and then load the new one and what
00:39:29
they're saying is that this individual did it like it was a natural thing second nature to him without
00:39:37
thinking where somebody like me goodness yeah it would it would jam me up for a couple minutes he he they say he very
00:39:46
quickly corrected the problem and then fired the second shot and to them look they didn't say this to me but this guy
00:39:57
appears to me to have a better working knowledge and understanding and expertise of using that particular
00:40:06
firearm than what most police officers have with the firearm that they carry but also notice this in the pictures and
00:40:15
and tell me if I'm wrong but everybody seen the video and stuff of like Bridge guy and stuff you see
00:40:25
some kind of Det details on the individual's face there's none here I wonder if he has something underneath
00:40:33
his jacket that either once he got into the building or before he got into the building well I
00:40:41
don't I take that back I don't think he would have put it on before he got into the building but it's almost like he
00:40:47
pulled something up above his face maybe around his nose area pulled it all the way up because there is not a single
00:40:56
picture picture and I'm looking at about 20 different pictures where I can even see like ear holes or outline of his
00:41:03
nose or anything he just looks like he has a blob for a face old Captain blob face it's like on a Dick Tracy the blank
00:41:14
yeah it's like you can see you can see the whole body and everything but the the face is almost blank that's in the
00:41:19
Chelsea Small case in the Advanced America case in the the Firearms thefts at the at the sporting good store I can
00:41:26
make out some features on that guy's face right and I think it helps that he's not wearing a hat in that situation
00:41:33
but again it's very hard for me to sit here and not believe that these are connected in some way it seems
00:41:42
too too rare of a crime in both cases and too close in proximity both you know time and
00:41:53
spacewise that I don't know I have a hard time sitting here and going that there this
00:41:58
is not connected in some way some form some fashion yeah I mean the silencer is the red flag one bit of new information
00:42:06
that we can State here today that we did receive from the Taylor Police Department in regards of the Chelsea
00:42:13
Small case the caliber of gun that was used in that shooting in that homicide was a 45 caliber so we're looking for
00:42:24
someone that owns or own in 2013 a 45 caliber handgun with a silencer a suppressor now mind you these are these
00:42:35
are threaded items right you have to kind of thread them together and one thing that the detective did tell me was
00:42:44
and and this is where it gets a little tricky for me here Captain because I'm I'm not an expert on either of these
00:42:49
items the fire the handgun or the suppressor well fake it till you make it but from what I've been told is that
00:42:55
they can be made to to specifically fit a certain firearm mhm or he may have used one that didn't specifically fit
00:43:05
his handgun and that may have been caused for the malfunction they're not certain you know until they have both
00:43:12
items in their possession they can't say for certain but that's one thing to consider well and just like you said the
00:43:19
guy stole what 15 of them or some crazy amount 15 suppressors and only two handguns according to that one article
00:43:28
that I found and that was really the only article that went into description of the item stolen well let's just think
00:43:35
about this if he he if he let's he he targeted the two handguns he gets those he wants a suppressor but he knows that
00:43:42
they're made for different makes and model they're pretty small let me just grab 10 15 of them and one's bound to
00:43:51
fit one of my guns yeah that's a good call that's a good call the thing here here is and I'm not saying that it's
00:43:57
related I I really though believe unless makes look they these guys look similar
00:44:05
they could play the same character in a movie oh no I was going to try to I was going to bring up another case entirely
00:44:11
oh okay and I again I'm not saying that they're connected but the just the similarities between them are striking
00:44:19
to me it it's the I70 killer that we talked about months ago everything looks very similar in the sense that there was
00:44:26
nothing to indicate that the I70 killer knew the individuals that he was attacking yet he managed to in more than
00:44:34
one occasion walk into a business during their slow hours on a slow day when the
00:44:40
business was only being manned by one person make the attack make the killing only take something small
00:44:48
insignificant and then hit the road and in all of those cases we don't have a vehicle that's ever spotted we have a a
00:44:56
vague description of the shooter of the Killer and clothing nondescript these were all businesses that backed up the
00:45:03
neighborhoods now I know that it's fairly common that businesses back up the neighborhood so that's not such a
00:45:08
big deal but that is what we have in the Chelsea Small case as well I'm not saying that they're connected I'm just
00:45:14
saying that I see a lot of similarities between the two there was a a unique firearm that was used in the I70
00:45:23
killings that was not used in Chelsea Small case but at some point the I70 killer switched handguns yeah but this
00:45:31
is a big claim it was always profiled by the FBI that they believed that the I70
00:45:35
killer lived in or around the Indianapolis Indiana area not terribly far from Michigan so you look at these cases and
00:45:45
of course that's where my brain jumps to is previous cases that we've covered or
00:45:50
cases that I've I've read about or learned about in the past and when they are unsolved D you look for similarities
00:45:58
to solved cases and unsolved cases to try to help you gather more information and give you some leads in this
00:46:06
currently unsolved case I share the same opinion as Chelsea Smalls family they seem to believe that the
00:46:17
case needs to get more widespread more in front of more people and more people seeing that that
00:46:27
footage they think that the the right eyes have just not seen the surveillance footage and therefore we don't have that
00:46:35
tip that has led to the apprehension of this individual what I can say is with how quickly this dude moved and how it
00:46:45
seems to me that if especially if he did not know Chelsea if he just went in there to kill whomever was working that
00:46:52
day mhm that he picked it based off of more of location and thinking that he would find an individual by themselves
00:46:59
this person strikes me as someone that who was probably killed before this crime and would very likely kill
00:47:07
again and again I cannot go into too much to convince everyone how dangerous I believe this type of individual is and
00:47:19
so I'm hoping that somebody that the right set of eyes will see this and recognize something I have also had the
00:47:27
you know I asked the the detectives bear with me because when we're working with so little here in
00:47:34
this case the guy's only in the store for 70 seconds he doesn't leave any clues other than the the shell casings
00:47:40
and the the live round M and the surveillance footage and as you say somehow this magic this guy magically
00:47:47
appears appears to be blank in the face Captain blob face I said could you bear with me and speculate a little bit and
00:47:55
and I already told you they believe the probability of solving this case is very
00:47:59
high one they point out that it's only been 8 years it's not been 30 or 40 but they point out and I'm not going to go
00:48:06
into too much detail with this because I don't I want them to still be holding some cards at the end of the day there's
00:48:11
multiple Avenues multiple ways that the information could lead them to their killer so that's very
00:48:23
positive but the other thing too I said do what does your gut tell you is this guy local or is he not local and they
00:48:31
said look you go in One Direction you're on the freeway in a minute or two you go in
00:48:37
the other direction you're on a different freeway in two and a half to three minutes this guy could have popped on
00:48:45
and popped off a Telegraph Road very quickly MH and they also believe they're like look we put up Billboards we've
00:48:52
released the footage to the news outlets we released it again again years later showing the silencer they share the same
00:48:59
speculation as the family that the guy is more likely not to be local because he's gone undetected the public has not
00:49:06
been able to produce this guy one sad sad turn of events and this is a bizarre thing that seems to be not connected to
00:49:14
the murder itself but should be reported here Captain is in November of 2020 last
00:49:22
year Chelsea Small's grave site in j alter Michigan was vandalized and this is kind of a weird
00:49:30
sentence to to say but her grave site was beautiful yeah they decorated very nice
00:49:38
but it wasn't so much that it was vandalized right it was was more that there was decorations that were stolen
00:49:45
yes there were decorations that were stolen and to me the headlines are always vandalized I I've not seen the
00:49:50
before and after pictures but I imagine you're probably looking at pictures of her grave site right there the family
00:49:57
throughout the years have put like little statues yeah and and that's what was stolen and so to me I go it could be
00:50:06
the same guy it could be just messing with people well and that would that would show something similar to Super
00:50:13
Bike where this guy had just such mad revenge against these people that just you know boiling up so much that he had
00:50:22
to go in there and gun people down but sounds to me that they are pretty certain they know who stole those
00:50:30
items and it doesn't sound like there's a a connection between the person they believe stole those items and who they
00:50:38
think uh killed or or maybe here's where my mind goes and I'm not I this is not information that I know for certain
00:50:47
either way this person's a [ __ ] sniffer this is just a guess usually theft and
00:50:52
vandalism are teenager type crimes and we can look at the surveillance footage of Advanced America and know that
00:51:01
we're not seeing a teenager in in that case so um that's where my mind goes and I did see on
00:51:10
record where they said they they're pretty much believe they know who saw who committed that and they were the
00:51:18
hopes were that they could get the items returned yeah now when it comes to these
00:51:22
two crimes I think our gut feeling is these guys if I had to bet would be the same individual when you're looking at
00:51:30
the surveillance footage make sure you look at the logo or the white spot on the hat and also there's a white spot on
00:51:39
his belt and and if anybody can make out what those items are yes and hopefully people will look at pictures of both of
00:51:46
those uh crimes and and determine for themselves if they think they're seeing the same person and take it a step
00:51:53
further show other people as well so we can finally get Justice for Chelsea Small her family her two kids and again
00:52:01
there is re a reward for information in both cases if you have any idea of who committed the gun theft in Jackson
00:52:11
Michigan you should contact the ATF if you have any information in Chelsea's case if you have any idea who
00:52:19
or killer is or recognize any of his clothing or the gun itself or know someone that owns a 45 with a silencer
00:52:26
or suppressor or someone that has bragged that they obtained either item illegally uh there's a
00:52:36
52,500 reward in Chelsea's case and information can be sent to 1 1800e up.org or by calling 1800p
00:52:54
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